>H-Hey anon. It has b-been a while ahah... you still like

>>54201548
I do. I'm building my 4th 8th edition army that can be used in both 7th and 9th edition

I still love you, babeh.
We had lots of fun together. Remember those Mordheim tourneys? Those First Edition RPG crazy campaigns? The battles with Dog of War and Chaos unified army lists? Yeah, good times, babeh, but now is over. We can't keep the spirit of the 80s alive for much longer. It was time to go to the Grey Heavens.
You will be still alive in my dreams and memories and in those who you brought so much fun.

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>>54201548

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Does the Tercio work in warhammer?

>>54201548
>wat do?
Keep playing the rulesets you like, and play Total War if you're into those games.
Wait for the Cubicle rpg to come out and see if that's any good.

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>>54201743
Massively overpriced game but still only 1/10th the cost of buying real models

>>54201548
I wish people still played it in my area.

>>54201970
bought game and all dlc during steam summer sale still paid 60 euros, without sale it would've been 119 euros.

>>54201548
i really do prefer the fantasy lore, but i dislike the gameplay

>>54201548
>Wat do?
Buy another Stormcasts box

>>54202215

I know what you mean. I didn't get in to Warhammer Fantasy until late 8th edition because I absolutely loathed the movement system. Less than a year later it died. So, money well spent I guess.

I do use the miniatures for AoS though.

>>54202425
>spoiler
Because without movement trays everything so easily and faster

>>54202558
it actually is because you dont need to calculate at what angle you are allowed to move the tray and stuff like that

>>54202834
>it actually is
Because your army is Stormcasts?

>>54202873
nope, Imperium

>>54201904
i donn't know about other editions, but in 6th, empire had the possibility of building regiments supported by two minor regiments armed differently which have to stay together and had some advantage when charges happen(you can have one fight while the toehr two run or all of them shoot or stuff IIRC

>>54201548
Fantasy has vastly superior lore, worldbuilding, and general gameplay complexity.

>>54202904
>Imperium
did they change the name or do you play 40k?

>>54202904
IG?

>>54202873

I play the same Empire army I had back in 8th. It's still easier.

>>54203036
>>54203047
I happen to play both, Imperial Guard (Astra my ass ) and the imperial army (free guilds my ass)

>>54203052
Well moving bunch of warmachines isn't very hard

>>54203098
Masochism fetish?

>>54203140
How do you know ?

>>54203163
>How do you know ?
Because you are playing shit-tier army?

>>54203107

I play majority State Trooper Infantry and Greatswords, with some cavalry backup. I have one Steamtank, one Volleygun and one Great Cannon.

>>54201548
Never like Warhammer as a Wargame, never will. Age of Smugmar is even worse.

I just use the models I got as gifts for my own games.

>capcha is cathedral doors and bell towers.
Fitting.

>>54203201
>game about shooting
>running weak melee list

>>54203197
Then my meta must be real friendly because i win more than i loose

I got to admit, i am a waac fag when it comes to AOS, i exploit every rule i can find and only spam good units....

>>54203221
>>capcha is cathedral doors and bell towers.
>Fitting
Salvation?

>>54203236
>i am a waac fag when it comes to AOS
>I play majority State Trooper Infantry and Greatswords, with some cavalry backup.

>>54203229

More than half of my state troopers are handgunners.

>inb4 move or fire.

Thought aware I am likely replying to bait, I don't give a shit what you think of my army list.

>>54203244
All my models are Skaven, knife ears, and beastmen, so I wouldn't think so.

>>54203265
There are currently two imperials in this thread, the other one plays majority State Trooper Infantry and Greatswords, with some cavalry backup.

I spam Musketiers with a general to give them 2+ 2+ -1 1 and some swordsman with shields and a mage for their ultra cheap 3+ re roll ones armor

>>54203276
>More than half of my state troopers are handgunners.
Is it supposed to be good for WAAC list?

>>54203265

>I play majority State Trooper Infantry and Greatswords, with some cavalry backup.

This is me.

>i am a waac fag when it comes to AOS

This is not.

>>54203297
>two freeguilders in this thread,
fair fix, since we are in AoS thread

>>54203319

It is not. I play what I like, that's all.

>>54203280
>so I wouldn't think so.
Why if you run your own games?
>>54203323
>This is me.
>This is not.
But who have masochism fetish?

>>54203323
are Greatswords worth it ? I consider buying some because of their astehtics..... ( and because i hope they are good )

>>54203350
i do

>>54203359
>are Greatswords worth it ?
Nope.
>i do
Oh, okay

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I will always adore Fantasy's setting, so I love Total Warhammer, Vermintide and, most of all, WFRP. Sadly, despite buying a whole toolbox full of Orcs, I could never get on with the game system.
Quite frankly, if they had released AoS' ruleset but kept the Old World's setting, I'd be all for it. But the abortion that was the End Times will always taint AoS for me. I can't even get excited about Orruks, as cool as they look.
Guess I can play skirmish games with my Orcs, but it'll never have official support to get excited about.

>>54203350

>>54203359
>i do

I hope this clears things up.

>>54203359
>are Greatswords worth it ? I consider buying some because of their astehtics

I got them ENTIRELY based on aesthetics. The looked like they'd be fun to paint. They were.

>>54203461
>But the abortion that was the End Times will always taint AoS for me.
Still mad that GW wiped out your generic setting? Grow up already

>>54203635
>AoS
>Empire aesthetics
that's sort of cute

>>54201548
>Still playing 5th edition here. No one here likes AoS

>>54203687
>>AoS
>>Empire aesthetics
>that's sort of cute

Bought them when Fantasy still existed. AoS was not a consideration.

>>54203708
>>Still playing 5th edition here. No one here likes AoS
>things that never happenned

>>54203461

To be fair, you can still play games of AoS using the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.

>>54203750
>you can still play games of AoS using the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.
>most of armies are splited into microarmies with 1-2 units
Nice b8 shill

>>54203773
>Nice b8 shill

Uh oh... looks like you got me! I guess I'm a shill.

>m-muh microarmies

Most armies don't have allegiance abilities outside of their Grand Alliance, so they would be played as Order, Chaos, Destruction or Death. I don't see what microarmies have to do with my previous point.

7/10. Good effort, you got me.

>>54203956
>Most armies don't have allegiance abilities outside of their Grand Alliance
Except Ogres and savage orcs.
>so they would be played as Order, Chaos, Destruction or Death.
Aaaaaand for what reason?

>>54203750
What if I want to play an army that got squatted?
What if I like an aesthetic that is getting squatted?

>>54203350
Because my games are usually tragedies, long struggles against the consequences of our mistakes and sins. There is no redemption or salvation beyond the personal, only damnation and a bleak expanse.

There's a reason I'm fine using Warhammer mini's for them.

>>54204000
>What if I want to play an army that got squatted?
>What if I like an aesthetic that is getting squatted?

In both cases, if you played Fantasy Battles, and already had the army you'd be fine. Bretonnia and Tomb Kings still have rules.

Of course, it's likely you're only asking this because you know you can't buy Tomb Kings and Bretonnia anymore, in which case, obviously I have no answer for you, but it is also not my problem.

>>54204089
I actually played skaven, but there's literally no reason to field the giant hordes of clan rats I liked when the game is clearly favouring big monster and tiny groups of elite warriors

>>54204121

Unfortunately I am no expert in Skaven either in Fantasy Battles or Age of Sigmar, so I have no real basis to compare to. I've seen hordes of models do pretty well where I play, at the very least.

>>54203461
technically vermintide is end times based game

>>54201970
>overpriced
>implying that doesn't make it the perfect substitute for 8th ed

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>>54201743
/thread

Not to mention all the other great Fantasy games out there. Someone remind me, how many AoS video games are there again?

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>>54201904
yes.

>>54201970
>overpriced
sure pal.
It's right in line with literally every other Strategy game of it's time, and if you don't buy the DLC, you can still play against them in the campaign map.

How come there are no WHF threads anymore?

>>54210425
>How come there are no WHF threads anymore?
Because it's dead

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>>54201743
>tfw want to give it a try, but gave it a pass during the Steam sale because I'd rather just wait for Lizardmen and Skaven

>>54210741
>just in case you don't know
First game factions will be playable in the 2nd game, if you have the 1st game. And there's going to be that combined map too.

I love Lizardmen too though, I think they're going to treat them really well with this game, and we're probably going to get a DLC like the Gobling vs. Dwarf one for Lizardmen and Skaven.

>>54201970
>Not getting it for 12 bucks when it was part of the humble bundle monthly

I laugh at your inability to conserve shekels.

>>54201743
>>54207722
>>54210741
>>54211613
>>54211651
Not traditional game, fantasycucks. go back to /v/

>>54210425
you are fucking blind
>>54195104

>>54201548

Yeah we do.

I'm still building armies for it.

>>54201904

The tercio is a bit late for warhammer, the Empire are sill in the early Swedish system of using a few arquebusiers to support their pike blocks. Estilea may use the tercio though.

>>54210425

There's been one everyday since 2014.

>>54213244
>>54213161
>general

>>54203664
>The Old World
>generic

>>54213272
not sure what you are getting at. That is the the Warhammer Fantasy Battle General. Period.
Roleplaying has it's own general.

>>54201548
3E never left me
t. grognard

>>54203461

Just use the models and fluff in a another rule system then

>>54201548
Give age of sigmar 30 years and it might have cool fluff too.

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Reminder that this is the last canon pic of Archaon in the old world
>inb4 GW is just letting CA license their IP
GW is letting CA make their own shit up regarding norsca even as we speak. CA literally made bretonnian 8th ed based of GW's notes.

It is clear, total warhammer is the continuation of fantasy.

>>54213513
This. Kings of War has support for almost any warhams army you can think of.

>>54201743
It's so fucking shallow and ugly though, can't even force myself to play anymore.

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>>54213946
t. GW

>>54213792
did you hear the news? The old world is officially dead, total warhammer is at best an alternate universe or a different timeline but it was never and will never be canon.

>>54202110
This, but with trafitional games in general.

>>54213955
GW wants you to buy the game because they get money from it and its zillions of DLC.

And I agree with that anon. It's shallow as fuck. It has no endgame cutscenes. What kind of a game has no ending? It just throws you out of the game without a single line. A lot of players were pissed at this and I among them.

>>54213986
>game adds more mechanical depth, diverse campaign and battle playstyles and tactics than previous games in the series
>dev releases map making tools so that people can make custom maps and customise the battlefield.
>game is shallow because it has no cutscenes.

I would take more different factions than cutscenes any day of the week.

>>54213977
>officially dead
and yet GW is licensing products for it. It's clearly NOT dead.
>canon
AoS isn't the canon continuation to WHFB either. It's a different setting loosely based on WHFB.

>>54214020
Wrong.

Word of God says that AoS is the continuation/sequel of WHFB. So stop being a lying faggot

>>54214020
>licensing products
ghey do it because of the moneys
>loosely based on wfhb
dude the endtimes fluff and the aos fluff both are literally describing the mayhem and the following collapse of the old world, aos begins with sigmar (it is made clear that it is in fact the og sigmar) riding the planetarycore of the old broken world through the materium.

>>54214009
>Game forces you to pay for DLCs to complete their incomplete game
>Devs do something that nearly all devs have done so they should get credits for it (lol no)
>120 hour game play, where most dudes have to hunt down the last armies across the map for hours to complete the game, has no closure despite other Total War games have endings or closing text telling you what happened after you conquered the world

>>54213792
WHTW is no more canon than Age of Reckoning and Mark of Chaos/Battle March which is to say not canon at all. They are just alternative storylines/timelines created for the sake of the game and nothing more.

>WHFB thread
>GW IDF
Also, technically 8th ed. old world and 6th edition old world different worlds

>>54214129
Nice opinion you got there.

And the more you buy the game and its DLC the more you support GW. At least I pirated it and even then I felt ripped off.

>>54214137
>Nice opinion you got there.
Yep, any problems? Besides why do you even came in this threa, none discuss sigmarines and doubleturns here?

>>54214042
>Word of God says that AoS is the continuation/sequel of WHFB.
How so, if it's different trademarks and IP

>>54214153
Nope, just pointing that you are lying. Also to point out that WHTW is objectively a SHIIIIIIIT game ridden with DLC garbage.

Also I don't play AoS or any TT game for that matter. So whatever man. You support GW more than me.

>>54214188
>Nope, just pointing that you are lying.
Where?
>Also to point out that WHTW is objectively a SHIIIIIIIT game ridden with DLC garbage.
>so assblasted because of TWW success
>Also I don't play AoS or any TT game for that matter
Then I will repeat my question.

>>54214205
>>54214183
Oh shit it's the slav troll. Got tried of calling people fantasycucks now he pretends to like fantasy.

>>54214215
>Oh shit it's the slav troll. Got tried of calling people fantasycucks now he pretends to like fantasy.
What? Dude, I am just a tourist from /v/, the only thread I visiting on /tg/ is /swg/ because bunch of my friends wants to run some tabletop RP.

>>54201548
Yes. You're a much better game.

>>54213792
>CA literally made bretonnian 8th ed based of GW's notes.
Yep. They gave the not!Knights of The Round Table some really needed love.

>>54214070
>game is incomplete
wrong. If you don't pay for a faction you can still play against them on the campaign map or MP. Something you can't do in nearly any other RTS except the ones made by Relic.

>nearly all other devs
All other devs have released a fully functional map maker that allows modders to change the singleplayer campaign on the fly?

>120 hour gameplay
nice objective opinions retard. How about you actually use agents to cripple armies before destroying them?
>other total war games have a 2 minute cutscene which means they are better.
kek.
>>54214188
>Also to point out that WHTW is objectively a SHIIIIIIIT game ridden with DLC garbage
>objectively
WHFB has been saved and is now in the digitized medium.

>>54213233
The tercio significantly predates Swedish or Dutch methods. It's one of the earliest forms of pike and shot warfare.

>>54214314
>wrong. If you don't pay for a faction you can still play against them on the campaign map or MP. Something you can't do in nearly any other RTS except the ones made by Relic.

RIGHT. In fact, it makes its more atrocious since they started the game with a laughable number of armies and made you pay for the Chaos faction. Then made you pay for more factions.

>All other devs have released a fully functional map maker that allows modders to change the singleplayer campaign on the fly?

Many devs have released modding tools and map creators. No credit for that.

>nice objective opinions retard. How about you actually use agents to cripple armies before destroying them?

Because I like to march armies around around and do every single possible thing but really expecting me to hunt down the last remaining armies when all their cities are mine? I had to hunt down Karl Franz in Norsca. He sailed from South to Norsca and made it to the middle of it before I cornered him.

>kek.

A game should have a closure instead of unceremoniously throwing you to he title screen.

>WHFB has been saved and is now in the digitized medium.

Like the other games? I don't think so.

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I like when the defence force ignores that the fanbase was displeased with having no ending cinematic or any closure for the game. I want you to go to the streamers of game when it first came out. How disappointed and pissed they were when the game just booted them out instead of rewarding them for the effort they put in the game.

Disgusting.

>>54214405
>RIGHT. In fact, it makes its more atrocious since they started the game with a laughable number of armies and made you pay for the Chaos faction. Then made you pay for more factions.
How is it more atrocious if you have to pay for things not present in the original game but were added later?
Every other dev in the market compartmentalises your game version based on the DLC you own.

>many other devs
None of them let you directly modify the singleplayer campaign.

>I had to hunt KF down in norsca
why didn't you just wait until he attritioned himself to death?

>Game should have closure
The game takes you through a turn by turn run of everything you did through the game at the end. You can watch your empire grow, review the statistics of battles you fought and the traits your lords and heroes gained. That is far better closure than an animated vid of soldiers marching .

>>54214405
>Then made you pay for more factions.
Yes, because cultural packs from Attila were much better.

>>54214438
>streamers
Holy fuck, sometimes I really hate gen-Z.
>instead of rewarding them for the effort they put in the game.
Isn't gameplay reward on itself in strategy games?

>>54214438
>displeased
yeah, lets ignore that CA added custom quest battles and entire new battle systems to the game.
The game is shit because there wasn't a cutscene at the end.

>>54214448
>None of them let you directly modify the singleplayer campaign.
>what Witcher 3 is

>>54214448
>How is it more atrocious if you have to pay for things not present in the original game but were added later?

Chaos was in the original game and yet it was locked behind a paywall. Only the outrage caused by it allowed not!french to be added in for free. Still didn't stop them from adding armies to the DLC garbage. It wouldn't be so bad if they started with a decent number of armies. What was the number of base armies? 3! THREE!

It gets worse now that they created Warhammer TW 2 and asked for full price when it's a glorified expansion pack.

>None of them let you directly modify the singleplayer campaign.

Oh please. The singleplayer campaign is just a sandbox map. It doesn't take more to mod it.

>why didn't you just wait until he attritioned himself to death?

1-Wouldn't have been satisfying
2-his army would have taken many turns to die out it was this huge

Thank the dark gods that he didn't flee south

>The game takes you through a turn by turn run of everything you did through the game at the end.

Like the games before it and after it. But the difference is that those games told you what happened after your victory. I wanted to see Archaon destroying the world. I wanted see Mannfred seat himself as rightful ruler of the Empire. But nooo.

Not enough budget for that so I get cockblocked.

>>54214514
>witcher 3 is an RTS game

>>54214524
Bretonnia was literally slated from the start to be added in for free you dumbfuck.

>3 base armies
there were four, and each one of them was a completely different race that played differently, unlike older total war games where you had spearmen, heavy spearmen. CHOSEN spearmen.

>it doesn't take more to mod it.
sure pal, lets see your mods then. CA added something new to the total war series in terms of mod support in warhammer. You being butthurt doesn't change a thing.

>I want to see archaon destroying the world.
then you would shitpost that it's not what happened in your mind.

>>54214556
>Bretonnia was literally slated from the start to be added in for free you dumbfuck.

Can you post that statement and check if it was before or after the announcement of the Chaos being a DLC army.

>there were four,

Lets see.

Empire.
Dwarfs.
Vampires.
Chaos doesn't count because it's DLC.
That makes three and it doesn't matter what they did with them that's still a too small number of armies.

>CA added something new to the total war series in terms of mod support in warhammer.

A sandbox editor. How innovative.

>then you would shitpost that it's not what happened in your mind.

No, I won't.

>>54214636
>that's still a too small number of armies.
So you talking about playable subfactions?

>>54214636
you forgot
>orcs
You sure are shitposting now. You overlook the huge amounts of changes CA made to the total war formula as a whole and harp on about streamers and redditor butthurt about shitty canned cutscenes that are cancelled.

>it doesn't matter what it did with them
except that all the factions were released in a relatively balanced state which got better with the amount DLC and FreeLC released.

>a sandbox editor
how about you give another example of a similar game doing something similar in [CURRENT YEAR].

>>54201548
Of course. Though I prefer the warhammer armies project. Some rather fantastic fan made army books.

>>54214636
>Lets see.
>
>Empire.
>Dwarfs.
>Vampires.
Greenskins, anon, Greenskins.

I'm embarrassed for you.

>>54214009
previous games had mechanics that felt more meaningful ie formations so i could at least larp some real tactics as well as something to fucking do on the campaign map, campaigns are very railroaded as well, and thetech trees are un interesting to non existent.
the only thing the tw series is good for is looking at big blobs of dudes fighting which frankly got old after napoleon.
also the series actually slid back visually after shogun 2.

>>54214909
>oiled gooks was the pinnacle
fuck off weeb. Attila was the pinnacle of comfy total war with varied biomes.

>>54203461
> cared SO MUCH about setting... cant us my (unpainted) army
> that (unpainted) army is fucking orcs, the one race that is the fucking same in EVERY GW setting/game
Shit tier excuse anon. Anon confirmed for lazy bitch

>>54214909
what? no.
>telling pikemen to lower down their pikes is meaningful and tactical.
>tech trees are uninteresting
what the hell are you talking about? Tech trees are thematic and generally fit the factions. Dwarfs are a race of autists which is why even the most minor change like standardised tools needs to be researched.
Elves are about honoring the cadai and the cythrai, with the cadai focus going towards allying with the good guys of the setting while the cythrai focus just makes you an all around prick that excels at killing beastmen.

>>54214972
>the one race that is the fucking same in EVERY GW setting/game
Except WHFB orcs never looked like Iron Horde.

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>>54201548

Nigga, I still have my original empire army I started when I was twelve, all on squares. I can play you, AoS, 9th age and KoW.

The MMO kind of sucked tho lmao.

also honestly I like both WHFB and AoS about the same. I think AoS has a lot of potential to grow as a setting. My one big issue with AoS though is that new GW kind of lacks the creativity and shit that old GW had, with all the terrain tutorials. Those were part of the reason I got into the hobby and while I can still make em for home games etc, it'd be SO SO cool to see GW toss up a new (or old archived) "how to build terrain!" article on the community website. Imo that'd make it SO MUCH BETTER, esp because with how nuts the AoS setting is, there's so much potential for cool stuff. Please GW go back to this.

Going back to WHFB, my favorite thing about it? Not the cool terrain, not the colorful models. Hell, I hated the game growing up because as a kid with ADHD and a load of other issues and a learning disability I could not into the rules. Right after the awesome dioramas, I loved the books. I got poked fun at in high school for reading mostly Black Library, but damn, idk. I loved em. The stories were so human. I loved Gotrek and Felix and the Blackhearts but my fav will always be Riders of the Dead.

>>54201904
Tercio style pike and shotte is what I built my army around.

Well, that and huge amounts of artillery support.

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>>54215044
>AoS
>lot of potential to grow

>>54215044
>tl;dr I love AoS

>>54215065
THICC

>>54214962
attila was ok but the campaign map has this awful grainy, dark, dirty look to it that wh inherited.
battle map too to a lesser extent.
When the entire appeal of your game is looking at the pretty visuals you better make that shit actually pleasurable to look at.

>>54214989
Yea it is, they move slower and have different characteristics with their pikes down, in warhammer you're just slamming your units in wherever and however. it also looks way less cool.
The techs have like one sentence descriptions and they don't unlock shit like formations, ammunitions, abilities, just stat boosts and exp boosts. Bland as fuck.

>>54215093

I like both. I never said I liked every last part of it. I do admit, the Fyreslayers are a bit retarded. IIRC they're a bunch of drug addicts who fight for gold. It's like "idk who came up with this tidbit but uh, ok..." some of the models look cool though but I'll stick with my gunlines and swords.

>>54215240
>some of the models look cool though but I'll stick with my gunlines
>t. 40k refugee

>>54214188
>Also I don't play AoS or any TT game for that matter.

Then what are you doing in a WHFB thread on the TT games board?

>>54215125
How is a flat stat boost or speed decrease tactical in any way whatsoever. You should be focused on actual unit combat and supporting your forces instead of making sure you are firing heavy arrow or whistling arrows.

>>54215281

I... I still play 40k tho

Christ is it that bad I can enjoy multiple games at once?

>>54215408
>I... I still play 40k tho
What a surprise.
The shouldn't you be on one of your generals? I mean none here discuss AoS or 40k.

>>54203726
Herohammer never dies, the Dwarves have too many Master Runes.

>>54214405
>Like the other games?
Well we have Mordheim, Manowar, and 4th edition of RPG, not great, but holy shit even 40k gaming looks worse after DoW3.
But you are right, because looks like GW will never give license on some game which not directly related with their tabletop games

>>54201548
Yep. I do. I've gone back and started playing the older editions. 4th is fun.

Any good warhammer fanfics?

>>54218308
RPG sessions

>>54215408
You're showing earnest enjoyment of games and you have fun. That's pretty much anathema to most of /v/ and /tg/. We're mostly post ironic hipster trash trying to one-up each other in nerd dick measuring contests. Your way is too pure for this world.

>>54220027
>blind consuming
>pure

>>54214343

No it isn't, the Swiss and French landsknecht began the system of pike warfare, the Spanish perfected the ration in the tercio.

Warhammer takes place in the very early part, hence why they still have gendarme in full plate.

The Dutch and Swiss systems you are thinking of is the later period. Early on the Swiss mercenaries of the 1480's is the period I am talking about.

>>54213233
>>54214343
>>54220469

Sorry I see why this has caused confusion, in my original post I said Swedish when I meant Swiss. I was in a rush this morning if that's any defence.

>>54201904
In 9th edition Estalia armybook there are tercios.