pathfinder general /pfg/

>>54189822

I prefer clockwork minions or Undead

Reasking >>54189430 for more answers. The only named Inevitable I know of is Obligatum VII (the case study example of Lawful Stupid). Are all inevitable names similar to that (i.e., Dictum III, Ordinance IX, etc.)?

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Hmmm....

Been rattling around an idea for a game.

>A Calamity occurs.
>The planes have broken off from the prime material, gods and outsiders died off or have been unreachable.
>The god of Fortune, Heroism, and Light was on the plane at the time, bestowing blessings on pilgrims in his holy city, and keeled over dead. As his body decays, the land around it decays as well. Giving rise to hellish scavengers.
>Magic is becoming less and less predictable, many mages lost their powers all together, the remaining were driven to madness; resulting resulting in the near total destruction of both the intelligentsia and the clergy.
>Ground Zero for the event was once a thriving metropolis, before being reduced to a scorching desert of ash and sand.
>A desert that grows bigger by the day. Consuming all in its path.
>Fast forward fifty years.
>Fully a third of the world has been consumed in Sand.
>Temperatures have been steadily rising, fucking with weather and agriculture.
>Stars and other celestial bodies have been disappearing.
>The only two nations almost entirely unaffected have been conquering their weakened neighbors, and are now engaged in a bloody war with each other.
>Reports have been cropping up from all over the world of people experiencing vivid dreams of walking into the Sand. For many it becomes a compulsion.
>Others begin seeing things yet to come.
>Still more see a void, swallowing up the stars one by one.
>Each member of the party sees an angel. One, extending a hand.

25 PB, 3rd level start, PoW, Legendary games, and Jolly allowed. Core Paizo races only.

No full casters. No Summoning.

So I want to make a skeletor-esque character for a city campaign. I have got lich approved, but what class should I play? I'm thinking arcanist, but what class should I play, and what spells should I grab? Starting at level 7 (level 5 for me)

>>54189822
>Poppets
Did I miss something beyond the Occultists Soulbound Puppet or the Witch (Gravewalker)'s Spell Poppet.

>>54189899
>Core paizo races only

but why

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>>54189899

>>54189931
Adventurer's armory 2

POPPETS

>>54189931
Adventurer Armory 2 had new 1/3 CR constructs called poppets. They are bloody adorable and can act like psuedofamiliars, and can even be slowly upgraded iirc

>>54189938
Native outsiders died off or went mad when the Calamity occurred. If any remain, they'd be rare to the extreme.

The rest either don't exist, or are fluff incompatible.

>>54189835
Party-pooping faggot kill yourself.

>>54189834
This sounds genuinely awesome, I'm not going to lie. Not sure how much Barb fits a would-be aristocrat, but if we just assume it's his first class level and that he becomes increasingly unhinged from his cyborgification...

>>54189986
... So you want a party that consists of only humans and half elves

>>54189992
Barbarians aren't necessarily monstrous raging assholes, it can also be represented as a cold, singleminded fury, not necessarily out of control wildness

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>>54190041
>having a problem with best race

>>54190051
>muh humanity fuck ye meems

i hate summer

>>54189986
How to half-orcs exist if Orcs don't exist?

>>54189899
Sounds cool, desu. I'd set it in Golarion just so I could shit on the setting and make it better.

If you decide to put it up, I'll probably apply with a bloodrager, magus or inquisitor. Preferably I'd want to make an arcane archer that isn't shit, but it'd require homebrewing a non-shit magus archetype or something.

>>54189986
...but native outsiders are native, anon.

>>54190057
>objectively the best race
>muh summer

No anon, you are the cancer

>>54189899
Void Prophet is go!

But seriously, it sounds alright.

>>54189986
That's not how native outsiders work you little shit

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>start putting some ranks in craft(sewing)
>everyone thinks I'm doing it to make cash on the side during downtime
>I already have a profitable side business
>I'm just buying this so that when my character marries, her trousseau will be nice and full of beautiful linens and her future husband will have lots to be proud of

Is your character planning for their future? Are you ensuring it will work out for them?

>>54190095
>objectively best race

Then why do you ban all the other races? Surely someone wanting to play another race for RP purposes and lowering their own power level is fine

>>54189945
>>54189957
You are right, these are adorable.
A first level character only has a DC 11 spellcraft to make one to boot.. Though under the familiar rule I want to say that's a typo and it means that it's Int increases to its Wis, not the other way around.
Craft Poppet being a gateway to craft Construct later is a nice little touch to.

>Tiny Poppet can have 12 strength. My doll can literally bully a wizard.

>>54190066
When did I say that?

Orcs not being a valid choice for a PC races doesn't preclude their existence.

>>54190070
>>54190105
Yes, yes. You just keep making assumptions about how the world works.

>>54189992
>Not sure how much Barb fits a would-be aristocrat, but if we just assume it's his first class level and that he becomes increasingly unhinged from his cyborgification

Barbarian (Savage Technologist) gives you a bonus to Strength and Dexterity, not Strength and Constitution. You can very easily portray this as the Nobleman getting in "the zone" during combat.

>>54190116
My character isn't planning for anything. My motivation is dead, I show up for sessions, drag my way through them, speak as infrequently as possible, and roleplay sparingly, then not at all.

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>>54190127

>>54190116
>Strong, capable woman
>Eager to get enslaved by marriage to some loser

A tough girl like that shouldn't be wasting herself on being some male's breeding sow.

>>54190122
I didnt ban them and I certainly didnt get my panties in a twist because of it. If you dont like chargen rules dont app?

>>54190155
But you did by saying 'core only'

Core only actually means

'Humans, half-elves, and occasionally half-orcs only'

because the other core races are absolute trash

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>>54190148
I'll admit, that is pretty good bait. You at least deserve a pretty picture for it.

>>54190168
>so upset that you think the only person who things humans are the best are the anon who offered a game

Anon, turn off your computer and take a nap

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>>54190140
What stole your happiness, anon?

>>54190197
Are you fucking retarded nigger, its literally nigh impossible to tell the difference between two posters

>>54190126
>Yes, yes. You just keep making assumptions about how the world works.
No need to be fucking salty because we pointed out potential issues in babbys first setting. We only have what you've said to go on, and unless you say otherwise, then yes, we will naturally assume that things work as they usually work in the base setting(s).

Don't be a little bitch about it. Take criticism and questions and make something better. I like the premise desu.

>>54190214
Well at least irony is not lost on you.

>>54190214
Yes, that's the point. Fucking retard.

I want to run a /pfg/ game for evil characters

>>54190274
Original idea.

What templates are roughly in power to each other not using Paizo's stupid +X to CR system?
How does dread lich compare to dread vampire and such? Thinking about how to incorporate templates for PCs in an "everyone is a jedi" style game

>>54190274
I'm in!

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>>54190274
I want to play a /pfg/ game for evil characters!

Also are there any 3pp races that are +CON/INT?

can you use the creation sphere to make alchemical substances if you have expanded materials and can use craft (alchemy), or is it completely worthless?

>>54190274
Competent evil, or cartoonish evil?

>>54190319
Both.

>>54190220
>unless you say otherwise, then yes, we will naturally assume

I did say otherwise.

If the Calamity killed all native outsiders, and that doesn't gel with what you know of them. Then either there's more to them than you know, or there's more to the Calamity than you know. Or, in this case, both.

>>54190341
why would it kill all the native outsiders

For what purpose besides 'I don't like aasimar and tieflings as PC races'

>>54190274
Those never end well.

You should run a high-powered campaign using JttW or WotR CharGen. Everyone was jerking off to it in the last thread!

>>54190207
I'm not sure yet anon. It's something though, and I really hope I get over it soon.

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>>54190332
Pic related then?

>>54190371
What is that even from?

>>54190392
Adventure Time, it's the Lich

>>54190398
Is it any good?

>>54190422
It's alright, if you forget it's the Patient Zero for basically 90% of the cancer that's infected cartoons for the last 5 years.

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>>54190364
I hope you find something that captures your heart once more.

>>54190422
Adventure Time? Yes, but only once you start getting to episodes that callback to earlier ones and reveal how fucked the world is.

The Lich? A great villain, pure evil. Sadistic, murders important people in horrifying ways, and is terrifyingly powerful.

>>54190360
Because the emphasis is on the "Outsider" part, not the native part.

They're angels, demons, genies, what have you, that either chose to live as mortals or were cast out to atone for some sin.The spiritual being binds itself to cells in utero, though such a process is difficult, and requires some sort of catalyst to allow fusion. Thus, why certain stimuli are likely to produce native outsider children.

The outsider then lives, and eventually dies, as a mortal. With their previous life being little more than half remembered fragments, or instinctual reactions. (Thus the bonus language, the skill bonuses, etc.)

The Calamity either stripped the outsider's soul away, leaving a lifeless husk, or left a stunted and malformed human soul, that had been fighting for dominance with the outsider.

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>>54190190
I try very hard!

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>>54190460
RIP that

>>54190495
Thats not what a native outsider is.

>>54190506
I'll admit, that's pretty damn funny.

>>54190525
Nah its really not, its sad to see a GM so retarded he doesn't understand the basis of the setting and what a 'native' outsider is, instead turning it into some retarded pseudo possession bullshit

>>54190371
>>54190362
The concept was something almost similar to Wist's new game. The PCs would be long dead villains of legend who get together in the hopes of staking out a chunk of the afterlife for their own and returning to the material world with an army of demons and other evil things to reclaim their legacy.

>>54190542
Friend, I am the GM.

I was assuming you were making a joke, since I literally just explained what Native Outsiders were in this specific setting.

I guess I was wrong, and you're just illiterate.

>>54190590
>in /my/ setting
Come back when you're all snowflaked out.

>>54190590
But thats literally not what a native outsider is and mechanically makes no sense

You must realize this.

Furthermore, why the fuck does /your/ setting get to be special and fuck with native outsiders beyond... You don't like them as PC races

why is the creation sphere so fucking useless? You can't create anything worthwhile

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>>54190496
Oh you. Here, have another modestly dressed woman. You've charmed me.

>>54190422
Others have already answered but yea..It's p good.

I wanna run a primitive setting game and tie it into the release of starfinder. Anyone have any experience with Stone age setting Pathfinder?

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>>54190590
I bet your setting is low magic too

>>54190584
I'm involved in way too many games to play, but interested in at least hearing about it. Will the party be starting in the afterlife and trying to conquer there first as undead and/or fiendish souls of the damned? Or will they kick off with an army in the living world?

>>54190615
>Someone asks a question about another setting
>Gets answered
>REEEEEEEE MUH SNOWFLAKES

How autistic are you?

>>54190625
I was unprepared for this level of Golautism.

What is a "native outsider" apart from setting specific definitions? Please, enlighten me.

Spicy hot opinions coming through
>Any setting that's going to try to pull a CRB race only thing is better off just going full Humans only

>Native Outsiders are retarded. Both in terminology and concept.

>>54190630
I want to put that woman in the family way!

>>54190687
Ok, so you know how outsiders exist, things like angels, and demons

They're extraplanar, and thus can be banished back to their home plane

Native outsiders cannot be banished to their home plane, because the material plane IS their home plane.

Do you see how your 'oh they're just like angels possessing a human body' makes no fucking sense now. Because that's not what a native outsider is.

This isn't 'golautism', this is THE RULES OF THE FUCKING GAME.

They're not fusing their souls with mortals, they are outsiders BORN ONTO THIS PLANE, their souls are OF THE MATERIAL PLANE, thats why they can be resurrected and shit ON THE MATERIAL PLANE.

Furthermore, Outsiders are not a separate soul and body, those are one and the same, they're not spiritual beings.

>>54190770
And in his setting that is clearly not the case. He's the GM, he can decide how outsiders work in his setting. If you're upset you can't play your super hung and perfect aasimer hunk, then don't apply.

>>54190661
>Anyone have any experience with Stone age setting Pathfinder?

Not at all, and the only things I know about Stone Age Pathfinder is they're similar to "modern" Pathfinder, only with limited weapon and armor options, and many of the higher grade materials have the Fragile quality.

>>54190805
t. DM

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Do you have a height preference for your characters? Do you always seem to make smol girls or tall boys?

>>54190805
You're right dude rules don't fucking matter

Why should we roll dice when we can just describe what happens?

>>54190821
I'm not the DM.
>>54190835
Rules are malleable and can be changed to suit the needs of the campaign. PF was intended to be played with Path of War, Psionics, Njolly shit and stuff like that but we do it anyway.

Besides, it's not like he's changing actual major mechanics. Just fluff.

>>54190850
>just fluff
>races that explicitly exist in the world have been wiped due to poorly thought out DM fiat
Really sparks my synapses

>>54190868
>races that explicitly exist in the world have been wiped due to poorly thought out DM fiat
They clearly don't anymore since the GM says they don't.

>>54190831
I play tall people because I like to lean down and pat people on the head.

>>54190892
Hmm, they may be a shite GM

>>54190770
>Native outsiders cannot be banished to their home plane, because the material plane IS their home plane.

Thus the native body. The body that is completely of this Plane. The body that makes its home on the Plane. They can't be banished because they're a parasitic consciousness, not an actual outsider. They take the spot the soul would fit into or (very rarely) displace an existing soul.

>Outsiders are not a separate soul and body, those are one and the same, they're not spiritual beings.

On Golarion? Sure. But, as I keep needing to remind your dumb ass, this isn't Golarion.

>>54190868
If you're looking for a chance to play your shota trap Baekano Tiefling fuccboi, this ain't it.

>>54186134
This sounds fun. I'm thinking of going full retard with an Armorist.

How do skills (social and stealth/disguise/ect) work under these rules?

>>54190913
not just on Golarion, in the entire fucking PF universe you fucktard

Fucking hell.

>>54190831
I tend toward tall martials. The race and feel of the character obviously matters. My stoic soldier was max height for his race, while my more playful powerhouse was quite short. My casters tend to be more compact, and usually a bit chubby.

>>54190892
Is that not actual major mechanics, you nonce?
Read and think for once in your life, please.

>>54190913
That's how Outsiders and by extension Native Outsiders function in the system, not just in Golarion.

>>54190913
I thought there are specific types of outsiders that can actually possess a material creature, but even they can be banished from the material plane unless they are native outsiders

>>54190926
Again. That is fluff, not hard fucking rules. His setting is Pathfidner's default setting/multiverse.

>>54190953
but it is hard fucking rules

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>>54190831

>>54190831
Grills are for smol, unless they're noble paladins.
Men are for tall, unless they're shotas.

>>54190926
>>54190963
Rules: You can't use Raise Dead on Outsiders because the spell says so.

Fluff: It says so because Outsiders have no souls and merge with their plane on death.

Anon, pls learn the difference you fucking autist.

>>54190998
Rules, you can use raise dead on native outsiders

REALLY
MAKES
YOU
THINK

>>54190946

They do so via possession, or other spells. Which is a bit different.

>>54191015
Yes.

Which is why you could use Raise Dead on any Aasimars you found. You utter moron.

>>54190963
Look, so many people toss out homebrew for this game, just think of it as homebrew. It's homebrew you don't like, but it's just homebrew. Tell the GM you don't like it. If they say they won't change it, that's that. Don't apply to the game. Problem solved. Why are you people arguing about it?

>>54191042
Honestly if the GM had just said 'Because I think they're overpowered and I don't want it', it would have been fine, hell, pilgrimage to the demonlands almost happened awhile back and that was a human only game.

But instead of that, he decided to make an autistic justification that makes no fucking sense.

>>54191038
Its almost like Native outsiders aren't just bodies on the material plane being possessed by souls from another plane

>>54191042
DM wants his setting to be as snowflake as possible and we're just letting him know that if it's done through contrived bullshit and "because I say so", then he's probably a mediocre DM to begin with.

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Barley Farming Simulator: Pathfinder is almost ready.

The PCs are going with Evoker/Rogue (Hidden Blade) and Fighter/Cleric, but I might be able to bring the second one around to different options.

Hopefully, after finishing character creation this weekend, they can start punching sea monsters that afternoon.

>>54191077
It's almost like you're, once again, failing to understand the difference between fluff and mechanics.

>>54191077
But that's fluff.

He can just as easily say
>the parasitic relationship an outsider develops with a mortal body in the womb "tricks" the magic into thinking it's just another mortal soul, allowing resurrections to work.

That's fluff. The mechanical result is the same.

>>54189822
Ungoliant isn't a Golem!

>>54191125
the fluff is just getting more and more retarded desu

>>54191080

Yes... because anything with different from Golarion must be snowflakey.

>>54191139
its pretty snowflake in this case

like seriously, he should have just said 'humans only'

>>54191091
>only 2 players

Im sad now

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>>54191091
>I really like agriculture
>it never comes up in any game I play

Godspeed. I hope you have fun.

>>54191139
Different from the entire system because of a convoluted plot point*
ftfy pal

>>54191184
>Native Outsider fluff is literally the entire system

Really activates my almonds.

>>54191184
Is Dark Sun snowflakely because arcane magic works differently there?

Are you 100% not allowed to cleave from the world assumptions made in CRB?

>>54191219
No, dark sun is just bad

>>54191159

>MUH OPTIMIZATION

Because the GM is clearly obligated only pick the most min-maxed PCs.

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>>54191166
There's not that many people in the township.

I tried advertising with a local group in Meetup. No one else was interested, so I couldn't schedule an event.

The flyer I had at the LGS has almost yellowed with age.

If they stay interested enough, I'll get more players.

>>54191177
They have to fight off the sea monsters to unlock agriculture. How else will they move their products?

>>54191246
but humans are the best and most optimal race

>>54191177
Molthune Knights and I thiiiink Blingmaker are the only campaigns where agriculture seems like a thing that might be coming up.

Which really bugs me, because as you seem to agree a good Harvest Moon arc is always tons of fun, especially if you use Downtime, Building and dice rolls to enhance the experience. I want to grow cotton!

>>54191211
Native outsiders not existing in the setting*
You can't keep deflecting to "muh fluff" anon

So, I want to play a blaster character (I know, not the most optimal spellcaster type, but still). Specifically, I want to specialize in electricity blasting.

Should I go with a Wizard, or a Sorcerer? If Sorcerer, should I go with the Elemental or Stormblooded bloodline?

>>54191248
Oh it is a flgs game. I thought it was online. Carry on but if you do decide to open it up to online, please let us know.

>>54191242
So you just have shit taste.

>>54191139
I'm curious why all the other races that aren't core are unplayable. Are they also dead?

>>54191259

Bwahahah

So you don't care about the fluff, you're just assblasted about not being able to play an Aasimar or a Tiefling.

>>54191259
>Native outsiders not existing in the setting*
How is this not fluff?

>>54191301
Again with the fluff.
I'm not worried about the DM fluffing it, I'm concerned that the DM got rid of races under some ridiculous pretense that doesn't fall in line with how the system functions.
Slippery slope might be a fallacy, but it can certainly apply in cases like this.

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>>54191248
Depends on if there's nearby villages to do trading with and you have wagons and animals to facilitate. Otherwise yeah, coastal or even river trade is faster.

>>54191256
Agriculture is fun! I want to grow staples and malt my own barley and maybe someday adventure to steal the secret of silk production. During downtime, of course.

That or procuring rare, valuable animal stock.

>>54191326
>I'm concerned that the DM got rid of races under some ridiculous pretense that doesn't fall in line with how the system functions.
I'm not sure what you mean here? So before I try to counter this or even can counter this could you explain this part?

>>54191326
>that doesn't fall in line with how the system functions.

Anon pls. You've already lost that battle, why do you keep bringing it up?

The GM could have just as easily said:
"The Calamity kills anything with a connection to one of the planes."
or
"When the planes left, it killed anyone related to it."

Instead, they gave an odd, but kinda neat answer that puts a different spin on Native Outsiders as a whole. The fuck are you mad about?

>>54186134
Medic: Yea or nay?

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>>54191331
>Agriculture is fun! I want to grow staples and malt my own barley and maybe someday adventure to steal the secret of silk production. During downtime, of course.

>mfw no campaign to become cattle barons, major landowners or the producers of the finest damask west of Qadira

>>54191378
because that answer is retarded and isn't a 'neat spin', its a retarded spin

>>54191355
All the DM had to say to justify Core only(which is still a mediocre choice but w/e) is that he wants to try the game with just those races.
Instead he tries to rationalize it into a special snowflake setting trait.

>>54191378
>Instead, they gave an odd, but kinda neat answer that puts a different spin on Native Outsiders as a whole
t. DM
Just tell people that you want to play core races because you feel like it, there's no need to be retarded about it and separate your super special setting from the rest of the established game.

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>>54191285
I cannot effectively convey my stare of disapproval online when someone brings in their magical realm, like the only Summoner someone played in my game.

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>>54191396
I'm sorry, anon. I don't want to suffer alone.

>>54191384
Medic is neat as fuck, but I don't think it would be a very good class for the campaign. She's a level 1 commoner any damage dealt to her is pretty much going to killer her outright. I'd focus more on buffing, giving her nautral attacks(she has deadly agility and EVERYONE is proficient with natural weapons which are also light), and getting her into places where she can either run away or attack with impunity.

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>>54191396
>>54191331

Wait a second, how could we combine "high-powered CharGen" with "comfy agricultural adventure?"

Is this what happens when the credits roll and a campaign ends? The mighty heroes buy a fat stretch of land and build it up?

>>54191402
>Instead he tries to rationalize it into a special snowflake setting trait.
What's wrong with rationalizing this? What's wrong with a bit of imagination in a game ultimately about playing pretend?

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>>54191331
>>54191396
How many drow are you ready to kill / seduce to learn the secrets of silk production?

How many decades are you going to fight them off to keep it?

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>>54191264
Anybody?

>>54191424
She can take 16 points before dying. Unless we're going to be in a constant Instant Death situation where every attack is instantly fatal and must be countered or redirected, a medic could do just fine.

>>54191397

Maybe.

But it shows commitment to world building and fluff as opposed to a random ban. I'd much rather have a GM who puts in some goddamn effort.

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>>54191415
Aww c'mere, you! We'll get our golden fields and sweet-scented orchards some day!

>>54191433
>>54191433
>Wait a second, how could we combine "high-powered CharGen" with "comfy agricultural adventure?"
You don't.
> The mighty heroes buy a fat stretch of land and build it up?
Seems like a waste of potential.

>Want to make a halfling character for the Iron Gods game
>Not sure what art I could use for a halfling character that wouldn't come across as shota-bait

>>54191466
...The Kings in question are level 15.
I'm not sure how Wist will scale down the enemies due to the Kings not being able to do damage, but it's probably gonna be pretty fucking deadly.

>>54191468
bad world building is bad

>>54191497
Level 8. They're level 8, not 15.

>>54191455
Sorcerer is generally better for blasting, either one of those bloodlines would do you good, its mostly personal preference. If you were to go wizard, just load up on metamagic feats. Your lightning schtick wont come active for rea until around level 5, past level 5 you can start adding a ton of metamagic to them to increase effects even further. But in general lightning is a safe choice for energy because less creatures are immune to it compared to fire or cold. I would also recommend grabbing the powers which allow you to switch energy types of spells to your preferred. Fireball becomes lightning ball.

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>>54191479

Nothing wrong with shota.

>>54191433
That's what I'm trying to do with my campaign.

25PB Gestalt + PoW/Psionics + Ultimate Campaign + Old Empires (AD&D) + Dummies Guide to Ancient Greece.

Get awarded some land and become a Senator or Merchant Lord.

Didn't put any ranks into Diplomacy? Hire a sophist.

>>54191477
Beats taking that high-powered CharGen and using it for... For... Maid work on a spaceship!

>>54191497
Honestly, I can't imagine any method of keeping Jane from not taking 16 points in a 8th level game where you can't directly remove threats.

It can't be straight up 8th level combat with a 6HP 12AC moeblob in the middle, they'd never survive.

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>>54191433
It's what I usually do. That or sponsor a village and really get that shit rolling. I don't even want to be in charge and boss the farmers around, I just want them to have the best crops and watch the village grow.

>>54191454
I stain these hands with blood so that the textiles of my village will be the finest in all the land.

>>54191470
Someday.

>>54191466
A medic won't do much better in this situation than... any initiator with Radiant Sun, pretty much. Plus it's not exactly a 'leader' class.

The main obstacle seems to be getting her to do real damage. With this party composition she'll have buckets of free attacks every round, but only Aether Command will actually do real damage.

>>54191514
The problem is, not everyone is a fan of shota. I'd hate to make a character and then find out halfback the party doesn't want to do anything because they don't like shota.

>>54191403
But anon, agriculture is my magical realm!

>>54191466
>She can take 16 points before dying
She's knocked down at like 7 iirc. Which means that even if you get her back in the green she's prone. This bitch is made of glass and peventing her getting knocked down is most likely going to be infinitely more valuable than getting her back up.
>>54191508
She's a level 1 commoner. A CR 1/2 monster is deadly. This is a game of keep away and getting her to either move past shit or run away from shit.

>>54191542
*half of the party*
Auto-correct is weird.

>>54191547
Talk dirty to me! Tell me about vinticulture! Apiculture! Horticulture! CULTURE ME!

>>54191508
Oh, did he change it?
Or am I mixing up games with ST's silly experiment thing.

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>>54191589
>>>/an/2423517

>>54191593
The latter.

>>54191589
For fuck's sake, this is a blue board!

>>54191551
A Moon Queen Rajah can cancel one attack every round. Successful Aether Reaction can break full attacks.
Throw in Golden Lion and Eternal Guardian ranged counters from the Warlord for insurance, and if all else fails, the Zealot martyrdoms the damage away.

>>54191589

Oh the irrigation I would introduce. Run it right along the boarders of our fields so we can both use it at the same time. You think the farm next to yours is big? Wait until you see my Latifundium

When you play games with the high power shit like PoW that totally invalidates noncasters, do you ban those noncasters to prevent uninformed/stubborn players from fucking themselves?

>>54191619
The zealot can only martyrdom 40 points at a time, and if this is legit 8th level play things are going to hit for 46 or more.

>>54191630
No, but if uninformed I inform them of the strictly better options, and if stubborn I inform them that they have no right to complain or self-destruct if their character ends up performing poorly in comparison.

>>54191619
Aether Retaliation won't break full attacks unless it has a strong modulation on it, or it's picked to 4th rank.
I doubt it's going to get prioritized over Command.

The rest is valid enough, though.

>>54191628
So many hectares... How can you work it all? It would take my brothers all month, and I've got a big family!

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>>54191679
Noble Scion baby. My leadership score brings all the fieldhands to my farm.

>>54191611
Blue board? Good sir, I want to make it GREEN!

>>54191264
It can be perfectly fine if you sell your soul to it.

Crossblooded orc/appropriate lightining dragon trading out your level 1 bloodline power for blood havoc and then take spell focus evocation and eventually transmutation for disintegrate. All your bloodline and apropriately tagged blasting spells now get +3 damage per damage die and disintegrate gets +2 per die

>>54191630
I give out maneuver-granting items, actually. The recovery method is just full-round for chosen-mental-stat number of maneuvers refreshed.

They refresh separately if you have a progression already. When PoW characters wear those, it just increases the number of things they can do with their actions, nothing scary. When non-PoW characters wear those, it increases their power and effectiveness. They're as potentially strong as the PoW characters, but they don't have the breadth of options they do.

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>>54191745
>anti-paladin with black seraph and soulless gaze/mask of virtue

2spooky4anything

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>>54191790

Let's graft our grains together and take over the market.

>>54191816
I'll bring the hogs!

If I take an Ioun Wyrd as my familiar, do I have to pay the money needed to craft one? Or is that cost only for if I make one with the Craft Construct feat without making it my familiar?

Also, if I have the Craft Construct feat, can I use that feat to modify my familiar?

Also also, does the familiar getting to use my HD allow an Ioun Wyrd to have multiple ioun stones integrated into it with its Ioun Affinity ability?

Also also also, familiars are suppose to become magical beasts. Is an Ioun Wyrd I have as a familiar a construct or a magical beast? Do I need Mending/Make Whole or Cure Light Wounds to heal it?

Also also also also, is there some point to the Ioun Affinity ability that I'm missing? I mean, sure, I don't have a magic rock flying around my head and looking super obvious if it's integrated into the Wyrd, but that seems a little minor. Ioun stones are slotless items so it's not like this lets me use extra stones.

How's that new hobgoblin focused AP? Met a guy who says he's planning to run it and wants me to join his game.

>>54191848
Oh the empire we will build!

>>54189899


Jesus Christ.

I left for an hour and this went to shit.

Okay, so to explain...

>Why no Native Outsiders?

One of the major themes of the game, and the world as a whole, is the collapse of the cosmic order. The planes are meant to have withdrawn completely, outsiders can no longer be relied on, there's no certainty in the afterlife, etc.

I feel like having a bunch of angel/devilkin running around undermines that theme. If people are *really* concerned with the mechanical side of it, I'm willing to be flexible and work something out.

>Why no other races?

Some of them don't exist (Catfolk, Android, Kitsune), some of them are incompatible with the adventure (a gnoll or a goblin couldn't walk into a major city), and some of them are just off on the fringes of civilization, and will likely be added if I go through this in more depth.

If we're on the topic of animal husbandry and farm life, I think it's important to bring up a common misconception shown in fantasy settings or character backstories; everyone is aware of the eponymous huntsman, that cunning man or woman who fells stags and wolves with equal skill. Well, are you aware that venison was in fact an incredibly valuable meat in the Middle Ages? Not only was it valuable, it was in fact the MOST valuable meat available to a person; pound for pound, venison was +50% costlier than the equivalent beef, itself a raw indication of wealth in many societies.

>>54191857
The stones can't be attacked. Ioun stones are easy as fuck to destroy and depending on them to function( just use a stone to get prof) can lead to hilarity.

>King's Gambit
>No King (Female)
J U S T

>>54191917
Implanting them at mid->high levels removes all risk

>>54191941
Who is White Estrid?

>>54191917
True, but an Ioun Wyrd is vulnerable too, unless you have it fly off when battle starts (which would probably mean leaving the 30 ft radius Share Iouns works through. Besides, only plebs leave their ioun stones flying around their head instead of having them surgically implanted.

Would you allow an Ioun Wyrd hiding inside its master's Handy Haversack or similar item to still be counted as near its master? It doesn't need to breath, assuming it DOES still keep its construct traits when it becomes a familiar.

>>54191955
That's just it mid to high level, and even doing that has a chance of failure as a non charisma class unless your campaign can afford you spending several days fasting alone.

>>54191973
Can't it literally just hide in your shirt and be fine?
>implantation
Requires you either be Cha based or lots of money and time on prep work.

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>>54191915
No hunting in My Lords grounds!

>>54191963
Not one of the applicants to King's Gambit.

>>54191941
Soon Anon!

>>54191941
Huh, there's actually nothing in the rules saying 'no female PCs'.
Got to wonder if it's an implicit rule or intentionally not mentioned to see how many do it.

>>54192016
This is exactly why deer were property of the king, because that is the highest quality meat you could ask for!

>>54192017
What's King's Gambit?

>>54191941
>>54192045
>called an otome game
>people already crying and applying with female characters
>knowing full well they have less of a chance of being chosen

Are you just contrarian, totally devoted to only playing women, or just dumb?

>>54192045
I'll be the King(Female) the group needs!
Jeeta-chan is gonna need a strong female role model too!

>>54192083
I'll take all of the above.

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>>54192083
>google otome
Every time

>>54192085
Don't call her Djeeta!

Why do all of Kawase's apps do some autistic shit where he shows blatant disregard for the setting and sets their character up as a god.

>>54192149
Chink egomania and auts

>>54192149
because he shows blatant disregard for real life and thinks himself a god.

>>54192134
Did you just genuinely not know? I guess it makes sense to not know, but cmon. It's right there in the description. You guys are awful sometimes.

>>54192144
I'm gonna call that cute little blonde what she is!

>>54192194
She's not even blonde anon

>>54192178
I dont even see the game or what ever it is people are complaining about. I had no idea what it was.

>>54192076
No seriously, what is King's Gambit?

>>54192149
never seen him go full WING WONG NIP NIP NONG, GO HOME WHITTU PIGGU?

>>54192220
Wist's Attention Whore Plan 17 C.

>>54192149
Because he's a shitass chink. Legit the only shitwipe I know I would actually call that.

>>54192220
Gimmick game where PC's are all high charisma support caster "ghosts" who can't directly affect enemies their environment.

They have to somehow help a level 1 commoner girl get an artifact or something.

>>54192228
>LFG only up for one weekend

Is this really attention whoring? Are you going to say this is an illusion of scarcity thing to artificially ramp up demand and therefore both long app processes and short app processes are wrong?

>>54192210
She is blond, the lighting in that picture is just off.

>>54192325
All app processes are wrong. Stop playing games. Stop running games. You're just being an attention whore, anon.

What comes after WotR?

>>54192380
>caring about WotR now that we have Iron Gods

Who do you like in the Iron Gods apps so far

>>54192385
Link?

>>54192385
>caring about either

Why hasn't your PC been invited to Mengkare's eugenics island?

>>54192351
I'm pretty sure that's not blonde. Not with the color of her skin implying normal lighting.

>>54192412
>You will never play a sexy semi-ERP romp through Hermea based around breeding, comfy and relationships

>>54192411
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5254263/applications-go-here

>>54192433
>comfy

its garbage

>>54192433
>Implying Mengkare gives a fuck about your relationships, beyond what genes you'll pass on.

>>54192433
This is the cancergame /pfg/ needs. Who will lead us?

It's gotta end in horrible dystopian revolution and an army of Stepford Wives, though.

>>54192423
google Djeeta Granblue fantasy

>>54192461
Silly anon, the relationships come about as the breeding pairs grow more comfortable with each other.

Mengkare of course will be played by the DM, and select pairs who have their own private session where they Meet n' Fuck!

>>54192412
>>54192412
He's ugly as shit, scawny as fuck, and believes where he sticks is genitals is his own business and not one of a big lizard with a god complex.

Give him like 10 levels and he could one round the fucker and fuck all his pet sheeple bitches if he wanted to.

>>54192506
James Jacobs please go.

hey /pfg/ if I wanted help converting a character concept into a pathfinder character would this be the right place to ask, or should I either make a thread or fuck myself with a cactus?

>>54192519
>James Jacob
>playing a he

>>54192526
If you're going to do this, describe the character and their abilities, or I'm going to just say 'who'

>>54192519
>Implying JJ would ever play an ugly and scrawny man when he could play a perfect and slender CG half-elven waifu.

>>54192493
>>54192462
I... I would apply to this.

>>54192526
Depends on what materials your GM allows and how open minded you are.
>>54192536
This too, holy shit.

>>54192544
With a low wisdom score but dont worry, he totally took iron will to make up for it!

>>54192606
>With a low wisdom score
Given the characters /pfg/ makes, I don't think you guys can give JJ shit for this anymore.

>>54192625
Low wisdom score isn't what matters, it's high chance of failing a will save, and /pfg/ characters are optimized enough to pass those.

>>54192625
The different is that the paizo team pretends to be feminist and progressive and not objectifying women.

pfg can admit when it makes fetishbait.

>>54192536
>>54192557

ill tell you the important part: he has the power to transmute substances into one another (and maybe shapeshift too, but that's a minor concern) but given his obsession with food he can only use this to produce ingredients and flavor compounds. However, due to a vast culinary knowledge and keen creativity he can use this to do things like explosive candy or pump up his own blood sugar to superhuman levels

>>54192699
Alchemist.

>>54192551
Really? I suggested half of this, and I wouldn't apply to this. It sounds dumb as fuck.

How would you role play 6 WIS?

>>54192751
Depends on a few other stats but in general they would be
>forgetful
>absentminded
>unaware
>bonks their head all the time
>loses track of time, people and things
>gives bad/poorly thought out/inappropriate advice

>>54192751
Lacking social awareness. Still understanding that somebody is angry, but not necessarily the reason unless they spell it out clearly. Not understanding subtle humor. They wouldn't be stupid, but they would be more likely to believe somebody or get conned.

>>54190318
Isn't there a talent in the creation book for doing this?

>>54192719
Can alchemists magically transmute substances though? I looked and didn't see that ability. The closest thing I saw was the sphere of creation and even that couldn't make functional things.

>>54192849
The creation book playtest is an unbalanced shitshow though.

>>54192892
Well, all the playtests are unbalanced really, but creation is really hard to balance, since it's usefulness is limited by player creativity, much like illusion.

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>>54192855
Blood Alchemists can just make their circle then spam things like Polymorph any Object and Fabricate.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/archetypes/paizo-alchemist-archetypes/blood-alchemist-alchemist-archetype/

>>54192855
There is no way to transmute things beyond a high level spell.

>>54192959
Are you referring to the creation sphere or something else?

What was the last thing to cause your character to cry?

>>54193417
A really good meal

>>54193417
Girl he's had a crush on since he was kid just tried to murder everyone he loves.

>>54193444
that's a pretty bad feel senpai, I know that feel

Is there any rule that says the ravenous oracle curse can't use it's bite attack on an object

>>54193436
Haven't had one in a while or are they just a foodie?
>>54193444
Did she turn bad or was she a victim of circumstance?

>>54193417
The party turned her over to the authorities of a nation especially prejudiced against her kind.

>>54193518
What brought this about?

>>54193499
>Haven't had one in a while or are they just a foodie?

Both, months spent eating rations when you just KNOW how to make a killer roast is torture.

>>54193499
>Did she turn bad or was she a victim of circumstance?

A bit of both.

Her circumstances were about as shitty as possible, but she did monstrous things of her own accord; and spat on offers of redemption.

vult btfo by 2hu

>>54193538
That sounds pretty harsh. Did they cook the meal themselves? Did the other party members get any?
>>54193552
Unfortunate. We can only extend the hand. We can't make them grasp it. Was he successful in saving his loved ones?

>>54193594
>Was he successful in saving his loved ones?

It took everything he had, and left him at the brink of death, but yes.

>>54192149
>set their character up as a god
How is a robot looking for her god, god?

>>54193561
Friendo, either give details or post pics. Don't do this shit.

>>54193621
Arcanist?

>>54193594
She cooked it herself; they got themselves a nice fat deer and she spent the better part of the afternoon using collected herbs and stolen spices to make one of the finest meals she's ever made! She shared it with the whole party, it was adorable!

>>54193417
He made it home after fighting for weeks behind enemy lines in Nirmathas

>>54193529
They found out that she was an undead.

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>>54193561
>captcha says "entrata STOP"

>>54193634
FILTHY IMPERIALIST.

BABY KILLER!

>>54193629
Arcanist with Skill Specialization in Stealth and Perception using a gun and a crossbow because I want her to be le sneaky sniping magic person, that's not broken at all. You can't just say 'playing a caster, I guess he's a pricking trying to play god', C3 was already nerfed into the ground.

>>54193561
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting anon

>>54193649
>C3 was already nerfed into the ground

"My spell has to look cool based on some undefined metric I pull out of my ass." isn't a nerf.

>>54193610
A bittersweet victory, but I'm glad he prevailed. What's his next step? Will he have time to rest and mourn with his family, or is it off to more daring deeds?
>>54193630
Meals often taste better with friends. It sounds quite relaxing. What were they up to previously that they were stuck with rations?
>>54193634
Does he have anybody back home awaiting his return?
>>54193639
That's certainly something about which many have strong views. That's unfortunate. Was she retired or do you still play her? Perhaps a jailbreak is in order?

>>54193686
>What were they up to previously that they were stuck with rations?

They just never had the opportunity to sit down and cook up a proper meal, it's all been "travel" this and "explore" that.

>>54193680
>I pull
The DM gets to pull if I somehow don't. She also dumped Con as a d6. I am not a powergamer in any sense of the word compared to a lot of the other apps. Tone, well, yeah that I'll give for the Iron Gods app, I started out with a Technophobe Robot with some luddite religious nuttery going on and it morphed into this while I was writing it.

>>54193648
Im signing up for 5 more years military service. You can cut me down in your godsforsaken forest but you will never win.

FOR THE EMPIRE! FOR MOLTHUNE!

>>54193686
>Does he have anybody back home awaiting his return?
Family, Home and Hearth. His little girl was born while he was MIA. First thing he did was hold her.

>>54193730
Nice

>>54193713
Molthune Knights NEVER EVER

>>54189938
>but why

Shit like half-giant and gamasu is reason enough for me, anon.

>>54193766
so just say no 3pp races?

>>54193697
The adventuring life can be pretty rough. Where were they doing this? Just some random town?
>>54193730
That sounds like something worth protecting. Will he get to stay home long or will he be sent back out right away? Has the rest of the party met his family?

>>54193686
Poor girl ended up executed. I don't mind too much but it was certainly a preventable death.

>>54193785
>Where were they doing this? Just some random town?

The savage Land of the Linnorm Kings!

>>54193791
Rude

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>>54193752
Im a terrible DM or I would run one full of agriculture and getting caught behind enemy lines. But I really want a pirate game.

Maybe a series of one shots. I have been thinking about trying that just to work up my abilities.

>>54193785
He has some leave but he is going back out. A soldiers work is never done. His home is in the capital neighboring two party members whos family spend time with his family.

Was there a prestige class that let you aim bows with strength or am I imagining the whole thing.

>>54190661
>I wanna run a primitive setting game and tie it into the release of starfinder.

Yor, Hunter from the Future?

>>54193825
Sanguine Angel?

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>>54193844
>Gender: Female
Every time

>>54193686
>ill he have time to rest and mourn with his family

He has been. Although with the danger past, doubts, fears, and insecurities are creeping back in. I don't think he'll stay with them for long.

>>54193846
All the requirements piss me off. Everything about them just grinds my gears

>>54190770
>Outsiders are not a separate soul and body, those are one and the same, they're not spiritual beings.

Pathfinder Oni are separate in spirit and body.

Other than that you're spot on.

>>54193846
Silly boys, Sanguine Angel is female-exclusive!

N-Nevermind we tried to do a male-exclusive feat chain in Distant Shores, and immediately pussied out saying the feat chain is open to everyone.

>>54193855
Oni are all native outsiders, thats why they're separate in spirit and body

Say, are there any tips for getting an infinite number of uses of Channel Energy? I'd like to make Channel Resolve my go-to standard action, but I'd also like to be able to use it indescriminately.

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>>54193820
>Im a terrible DM or I would run one full of agriculture and getting caught behind enemy lines. But I really want a pirate game.

I hope you have tons of fun with that game!

;________;

>>54193791
That is unfortunate. My condolences. Why was she with a group that disliked undead? IIt seems somewhat risky.
>>54193805
Oh, was that their destination while traveling? What do they hope to accomplish there?
>>54193820
That's pretty pleasant. Nice family gatherings. Is the family stuff done as downtime, or is there actually roleplay with the family?
>>54193848
Sometimes you just need to keep moving. Keep your mind from dragging you down. Where will he go?

>>54191080
>snowflake
>core races only
>literally take your pick from the most standard of standard fantasy races.

oh no what a special snowflake.

It's like you people need other races to make interesting characters.

>>54193853
Do explain.

>>54193900
>Oh, was that their destination while traveling?

No, they're heading to Turvik and then eventually the Crown of the World, where the meals are going to get even leaner!

>>54193921
Oh dear, picking up a Cauldron of Plenty might be nice if you have the money. The meals won't be quite as good, but they'll certainly be better than rations. What do they seek to accomplish?

>>54193904
Topic is dead as fuck anon, kek
Are you that thirsty for (You)s?

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>>54193943
We're going to Minkai to put Ameiko Kaijitsu on the Sakura Throne!

>>54193900
>That's pretty pleasant. Nice family gatherings. Is the family stuff done as downtime, or is there actually roleplay with the family?
Half and half. They are mostly RP pieces and dont have stats. I normally play orphans (and for good reason) but since they do not have stats I figured it would be okay. So far it has been nice.

>>54193913
It is just a huge list of nonsense. Alignment, Language and gender gates. Followed by 3 feats that are sinks, especially if you just want the STR for bows.

>>54193892
Im sorry anon. I try to keep quiet about it. It is a lot of fun though. My town is small and when the guy opened a computer repair store we hit it off over everything and he was like, do you play TTRPGs? And yeah. Fun stuff.

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>>54193956
Nope, I just woke up and got here!

>>54193913
Not him but:
>stupid arbitrary feat prerequisites
>it's gender locked
>it's LN/LE/NE only
>locks a whole bunch of REALLY COOL MECHANICS behind fluff-locked shit
>seriously holy fucking shit
>a whole bunch of extraneous bullshit tacked on to get at anything you want from it, too

>>54193996
>You will never have a Tree Elf

>>54193844
>Iron Will as a requirement

Fuck off with this, Paizo.

>>54194024
Can we all just agree as a community to ignore any prereqs that involve the "add +2 to one of your saves" like Iron Will and just be done with it?

>>54194024
Iron Will is a good feat, and it makes sense within the context of what a Gray Maiden goes through.

>>54194013
Is it worth the trouble?

>>54193881
Only way is Kinetic Channeling feat from Legendary Kineticists with Slow Burn variant and being level 11. Otherwise all you can do is dip into a ton of different classes for extra channels like I did for Pendragon. Trust me, I checked all over. Your alternative is to play and Avowed with Aether Command to do it ALL DAY but only for a single ally instead. The AoE ability of Channel Resolve is incredibly powerful and generally shouldn't be unlimited as a result.

>>54194013
>adhering to fluff requirements

>>54193970
That sounds like quite the adventure! It's still unfortunate you're stuck with rations. They'll have to feast for a whole month afterward to make up for all the good food they missed out on. Are they confident the party will succeed? How has the journey been so far?
>>54193989
Do you usually play with GMs that are likely to involve your characters' families? That can be quite frustrating. What's his daughter's name?

>>54194066
It making sense doesn't make it any less stupid, given all the other shit

>>54194078
You can't plan anything around reasonable people when it comes to this game, anon. Retards are gonna look at that and go "Well are you a girl, and do you match all this shit? No? Well too bad"

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>>54193989
I personally would just ask a GM to have "Strength to bows" as an advanced weapon training option. It makes sense as one, doesn't it?

>>54194132
I mean, Composites already have it. To hit though, I'm not sure.

>>54194066
While it is a decent feat, it shouldn't be a requirement to enter a Prestige Class.

>it makes sense within the context of what a Gray Maiden goes through.

That's all well and good but I shouldn't need a feat for that.

>>54194132
>You will never admire the back of your archer-girl lover

>>54194091
>Do you usually play with GMs that are likely to involve your characters' families? That can be quite frustrating. What's his daughter's name?
It happened all the time when I first started playing. Any time I had family, even tangibly related the DM always dragged them into some BBEG plot. So my characters became orphans, street rats, urchins, and child soldiers who may have been forced to kill their parents in one instance.

His daughters name Shae.

>>54194143
That's not what the anon wants, he wants to take the shit from the prestige class because the prestige class is dumb arbitrary bullshit

>>54194161
That's a convention I really find distasteful. My condolences. Does he have any other children? Is Shae named after anybody important to them or is it just a name they chose? It's a lovely name.

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LAND OF THE LINNORM KINGS WHEN?

>>54194076
Nah, good old Pally 4/Monk 3/CoI 2 would work, as long as you had the phylactery.

>>54194228
More like Bamboozle of the Linnorm Kings.

>>54194217
It is what it is. I like the no home shtick anyways. Gives them an easy reason for adventuring. His wife's mother was named Shaerannah. So they named her after her. It was his first.

>>54194279
Fair enough. I try to mix it up here and there, though I've yet to have a family my character could actually visit. That sounds nice. How long have they been together? Was she his first love?

>>54193881
Wouldn't you be better off just casting haste? It gives the same number of attacks, but only requires one of your actions. Granted, resolve works even for characters not taking full-rounds, but haste is still a lot better.

To what lengths would your character go to receive praise and recognition for their abilities, up to and including headpats?

>>54194319
I'm equally concerned with the +6 to attack it grants at my level, to be honest.

>>54194314
Almost hit the 10 year mark. The backstory is a little fuzzy because it doesnt include his first term of service but they wrote letters back and forth during it, he served with honors, received land, sold that land and bought a house in the city, married her, went back into service for another 5 and was promoted. He was suppose to serve almost a year before he would see his baby girl but because he was behind lines he saw her a few days after she was born.

>>54194256
>level 9
Yeah okay buddy good luck sucking ass until then.

>>54194382
What exactly is this Channel Resolve? Is it a 3pp thing I missed, or have I been a fool all this time?

>>54193881
Something like this maybe?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo-cleric-archetypes/blossoming-light-cleric-archetype/