/btg/ Battletech General!

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Favorite Archer.

Holding Buttes while emitting sounds of joy.

>>54171870
With regular hands, battle armor manipulators, mech hands or LAM airmech hands?

>>54172388
LAM hands, of course. In Airmech mode.

does anyone have detailed rules for a trial of position?

I know the basics, but I was curious to see if there might be rules out there with more detail, such as acts which would be considered dezgra, and thus cause a free-for-all, and if an adversary will retreat is he/she knows they will be defeated, to not further ruin the cadet's chances by damaging his/her mech more.

>>54172583
Rich Hunter in the house... or whatever he better Jap name was in Macross.

>>54172872
Sarna.net is your friend here, anon.
What it does not cover is the retreat, though. In your standard trial of position, a cadet/warrior may switch off his targeting to signal that he had enough at any point, achieved kills count.
There's also tve option to invoke Surkai when you realize mid-trial that you effed up.

>>54173045

I've read through sarna. I was looking for specifics on things such as the retreat, not so much for the cadet retreating, but for his adversaries. Do you think hegira would fit here?

The cadet has weakened his opponent to the point where they both realize the fight is over, and to not deteriorate the cadet's mech for the next opponent, the instructor/opponent withdraws honorably?

>>54173269
No. The fight is until the opponent is incapable. This is a Trial of Position, and avoiding damage or defeating your opponent in spite of it is the point.

I don't think you understand the Clans. Yes, they abhor waste, but they also don't care about individual lives. It's less wasteful to get a few 'mechs or fighters banged up in a Trial of Position, than to find out your graduate froze up under fire and cost you a whole Star.

>>54173269
A very peculiar scenario. Personally, I don't think a veteran would back down until his 'mech was a certified junk pile or at least immobile and outmaneuvered, hence in no position to do further damage. We're talking about the Clans after all, there is no easy mode for the youngsters.

Hegira is a honorable retreat, but these warriors serving on ToPs are volunteers - their honor is not at stake, only their age complexes.

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>>54173318
Thank you both. This does clear it up and it is what I was looking for.

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How does everyone feel about HBS changing the setting of the BT game to be their own made up periphery state instead of the slave owning misandrists?

I for one like it because it might get everyone to shut up about it and because I'm a sucker for the periphery in general.

>>54173919
I think it was a smart move on the corporate end.

However it disappoints me that I won't be able to saltmine the conflict that would have come from bringing BT's gynocracy into the mainstream.

>Princess Internet
Yes Captcha, exactly.

>>54173919
>be their own made up periphery state instead of the slave owning misandrists?

They're the only good faction anyway, so no.

FS: Genocidal Mass Murderers
DC: Weaboo Genocidal Mass Murderers who also practice slavery by a different name
LC: Genocidal Mass Murderers
CC: Insane Genocidal Mass Murderers who also practice slavery by a different name
FWL: Several flavors of Genocidal Mass Murderers, but nobody cares about the distinctions
Clans(all): Furry Genocidal Mass Murderers who not only practice slavery but go full Eugenics on top
TC: Genocidal Mass Murderers with cowboy hats
Marians: Genocidal Mass Murderers who practice slavery, actually have the balls to CALL it slavery, and also mass murder the slaves for funsies.
Comstar: OK, none of that. But being an IT worker basically counts the same, morally speaking, as being a mass murderer.
WOB: Genocidal Mass Murderers who at least cop to the fact they're genocidal mass murderers.
MOC: ...oh, they just own slaves. No mass state-sactioned murder at all. And they pay their slaves a living wage, don't actually force people to be slaves except by the choice of the slaves themselves, go out of their way to let people buy themselves out of slavery when their debt is paid, and have strict worker protections for them so they don't get abusedlike everyone else's slaves.

Yeah, "clearly" the MOC is the worst faction in the game. All that genocidal mass murder doesn't mean anything compared to people with vaginas running a state in the exact way that men ran everything for 98% of the rest of human civilization.

>>54174119

This is sanctimoneously put, but it's a valid point. It's not like the MOC is good or a morally pure state, but there's no rational arguement where anybody else in the game universe is actually <better>. In an age where tumbrinas scrutinize every bit of the media for something to be outraged about, every other faction in the game is guaranteed to give them plenty of ammo to get triggered by.

From a purely corporate-speak perspective, the MOC actually is the "least bad" choice to make into protagonists, because at least there's the chance of avoiding tumblrina-driven bad press.

While I'd prefer a more popular faction be made into the protagonists, I can't deny that this is a safer business decision, and since I want more games in the future, I'm not going to be mad about them making safe business decisions about the franchise.

>I reserve the right to get mad if the entire game turns into a "white men R bad with Giant Robots in the background" simulator, though.

>>54174119
This half-assed bait was exactly what I was talking about >>54174030 here.

>Buh muh pure wimmens

Putting aside that the LC is no stranger to female Archons or that the CC has had female Coordinators, everything is clearly Men's Fault.

Beautiful.

>>54174270
Exactly my stance on the matter. I'll miss the above salt, but it appears I'll get to have my cake and eat it too.

>>54174312
>>54174030

Fuck off and die. You're both sellouts to your gender.

>>54173919
the made up state was honestly a good call, and I've always believed we need more minor periphery states anyhow
I'm just mad about the lack of modding

>>54174385
'We' is 'I' and I think you misunderstand. I'm looking forward to baiting the tumblrtards with the fact that the only gynocracy in BT is a half-rate periphery state.

>>54174119 is an example of the kind of butt-hurt triggered salt I'm looking forward to

>>54174385

>the MOC is the only faction run by women
>you all hate women

and the aforementioned salt mine is still real.

>>54174430

>54174119 is an example of the kind of butt-hurt triggered salt I'm looking forward to

Not that I disagree necessarily, but what part of that list is actually inaccurate? Not the end paragraph that's copy-pasted from Tumblr and could be put in a salt-shaker with nobody noticing the difference, but the list itself. I'm pretty sure the only states that haven't nuked the living shit out of people are the canopians and the outworlds and maybe comstar.

Of those three, only the canopians own slaves, but they're also pretty clearly nicer to their slaves than everybody else, and there's all that word of Herb stuff outright saying that canopian slavery isn't even what we'd define as actual slavery, but is really indentured servitude. So, between the indentured servants and the whole lack of nuking other people, as far as I can tell, the canopians would be the third best (or thrid least bad, if you like) faction, after comstar and the outworlds, then.

>>54174672
As a long time BT player I can throw this one out there. The MoC's biggest sin is being kind of boring up until recently. The faction has been there for longer than it has not, I can't remember exactly when Canopis turned up but it was a long time ago.

Nobody gave a shit about the faction until now and it is only because of our ear-fucked socio-political climate. Their blatant matriarchy was seen as interesting and fresh by almost everyone I met IRL and talked about them with.

They aren't war crime ridden and saturday-morning-cartoon-villain evil like the rest of the IS, so that list is *technically* correct. But it leaves out the fact that...

1) they are also a faction that has done fuck all for the bulk of the lore besides be everyone's second favorite periphery state.

and 2) this salt dispenser is fueled by keyboard warriors who want it to mean more than it really does.

I was looking forward to playing in the Magistracy, but no more or less than I am looking forward to this OC donut steel faction.

>>54174672

None of it, but ignoring the CC and LC have a history of strong/crazy female leaders too.

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>>54173919
>>54174119
>>54174385
>>54174672

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>>54174969
a discussion about a relevant topic that is by 4chan standards very calm and reasonable = terrible posts.

you know? ypu're right. we should have been autistically screeching like faggots, my bad.

>>54175120

no u

>>54175229

i'm just here to plummet the level of discourse down to the proper levels of retardation

>>54175337
haha
butte hold

>>54171143
the bg forums have been down for 3 days. are they getting ddos'd?

>>54176623
I would really like to know too. I want to actually buy TtS old kentucky

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Does anyone know where I can get stuff like this 3d printer file of a Catapult without paying for it? http://www.gambody.com/3d-models/mechwarrior-bobcat

I'm new to the 3d printing thing so I'll probably just mess it up so I'd like to be able to try without having to shell out the money for it.

>>54176878
go to yeggi and search battletech/mech. i found one there and much more. yeggi searches other 3d print sites, including payed ones. but i found several dozen free mech print files and have build my entire 40k army from yeggi as well.

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>>54176878
>>54176934
Yeggi only goes so far. I've been looking for a printable MWO Atlas for a bit and have found half a dozen utterly unsalvageable piles of barely cohesive polygons.

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>>54176623
The Shadowrun site was hacked on Saturday, though

>>54177955
the fact that they're lying and calling this maintenance worries me.

>>54178025
I even had a my anti-virus software throw a fit, trying to connect to their page.

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Battlebumping,

Besides Kai Allard-Liao and Nasty K, who are the best mechwarriors in universe?

>>54178831
Grayson Death Carlyle (born 21 May 3004[1] – died 22 May 3065; aged 61 years) was the commander of the famous mercenary unit Gray Death Legion. Known for his innovative battlefield tactics, especially the use of anti-BattleMech infantry, Carlyle is widely acknowledged as the father of 31st century warfare.

>>54178831
Gray Noton was up there back in his day, the kell brothers too.

>>54174947
>The faction has been there for longer than it has not, I can't remember exactly when Canopus turned up but it was a long time ago.
Formed in 2540 by dissidents from the FWL, and it's been in the game's universe/fluff right from the start AFAIK.

>>54178025

It's CGL, anon.

Lying about shit is the normal state of play. Telling the truth and delivering on promises in a timely fashion would be noteworthy.

>>54178831

Karianna Schmitt, Vlad Ward, Phelan Ward/Kell, Morgan and Patrick Kell, Morgan Hasek-Davion, Justin Xiang Allard, Aris Sung, Hohiro Kurita (allegedly, has good stats but accomplished fuck all with them), Devlin Stone, etc.

Pretty much any named character from a novel is going to be 3/4 or better. Most are 2/3 or better.

I know the fan-made TRO:3063 is an old topic, and not everyone here likes it. But I thought I would step in and mention that the German translation has begun (again). They seem to like it enough to spend six months working at it, so... great.

The first attempt petered out when the translator went bugfuck (and kept my money without producing a damn thing in a year).

Wish us luck! Oh, and I am looking forward to 4Chan's own Technical Readout, too.

>>54174947
People cared about the Canopians, but as space amazon queens of the Shadowhawks and traveling slut circuses. They were interesting in that unlike the real bandit kingdoms like Circinus or the pirate kingdoms that were trying to go legit like the Marians, they were a proper old state that had kind of slid back into being a near-bandit kingdom despite not being bombed to hell like everyone else. Read the Canopians in Periphery first edition and you'll see they're a lot of fun.

What has fucking ruined them the last number of years is people trying to treat them like a big faction instead of the Periphery (what is up with people demanding every Tom, Dick and Butte make a ton of shit anyway?) and twisting old puns about pillow talk into elite cyborg commandos.

And where's my secret Blakist sect out there formed from the millions of people brainwashed when the robes occupied the whole place with nothing but TWO Divisions for the better part of a decade?

>>54179183
The periphery states outside the OA didn't even exist until 1987. The old Pirate Kings were more famous. Now nobody even knows where Pirate's Haven is.

>>54180228
I really like the custom quickdraw with the laser eyes

>>54180532
Yeah, a Lassiter piloted that one. My answer to Louis L'Amour's Sackett family. Custom made for a guy who was a big game hunter. Died in a mis-jump, and Lassiter pilots it to glory of a sort.

>>54178831

Morgan Kell, Yorinaga Kurita, Jamie Wolf, Phelan, Aidan, Yodama, besides those already mentioned

>>54174270
Well looking at the cast of the BT game, even the opposing side are a black man and his crazy daughter, so I doubt the "white men R bad with Giant Robots in the background" thing will happen.

There is the Twitch program Death From Above that is basically HBS guys testing out their stuff in tabletop form and on it the MoC and Taurians have been in the support role for of the main crew and the antagonists, which I am guessing will be how it's going to play out in the BT Game,

>>54180439
>Marians
Their "legitness" is pretty recent though; they were a Pirate state for a LONG time, and they are still hyper-aggressive to this day.

As for the Periphery and production, I think people just have trouble understanding how when 'Mechs were so scarce, the Successor States didn't just flatten the Periphery for their limited production, or forcibly absorb them. I mean okay, when you're threatened on two fronts by enemies, sure, that's a risk, but when said state only makes Stingers and Shadow Hawks? And their military is largely green in actual combat and only really knows about fighting Pirates? Eh... sounds one-sided. So I think some people just wanted them to have enough production to be able to stand alone, and make sense as states. I mean sure you can hand-wave it as "well they exist because it's cool" and that's fine, but not everyone likes the game or the fluff the same way you do. I'm a PaF fag, but I don't have problems with people wanting the OA to make Strikers and the TC to make Stalkers or Banshees or Chargers or something.

>>54181157
>the Successor States didn't just flatten the Periphery for their limited production, or forcibly absorb them

They did. The OA is like half the size it was at the beginning of the Succession Wars. Kurita gobbled them up. I love having Amish Samurai pirate hunters from there.

Lyrans did the same to the good parts of what was left of the Rim Worlds.

Believe it or not, the MoC was nominally allied with the Davions prior to Xen Sheng, and so the FWL just terrorized their border instead of conquering. Why bother with the MoC when you can eat into that juicy Andurien flank of the Confederation?

The Fedsuns already owned a bunch of Taurian worlds and most of them were a drag on the state financially and difficult to control. The Outback is a fun place, but very poor and very independent. More Taurian worlds means more trouble. But honestly, the Haseks feuding with the Caps and their own Prince all the time is what put the biggest damper on that.

Marians are honestly still pirates. I was just saying they're making an attempt at a veneer of legitness rather than reveling in piracy. And they've been that way since the beginning.

>>54178831

Morgan Kell, no contest. Based on raw talent it was probably some nameless clanner somewhere who got killed before even getting close to a bloodname.

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>>54181239
Forgot my pic

>>54181239
>They did
Well, they took chunks to be sure, especially all the ex-RWR worlds for the LA, but the fact that the Periphery never recovered from the Reunification War (except the Taurians) was a bit silly, I think. I dunno, it's just so hard to find a firm footing for this shit given how wishy-washy the lore is, and how not even the company handling it fact-checks enough. I mean how many people really liked the 3039 retcon? Show of hands.

>>54180439

>twisting old puns about pillow talk into elite cyborg commandos.

If only, anon. Thanks to Kit's bullshit, the Ebon Magistrate shits on Light of Mankind operators, because reasons.

>>54181458

The two big problems with the 3039 retcons were the tech intro dates making the Clan Invasion utterly nonsensical and changing it from an evenly-fought battle where Hanse blinked to one where the FedCom bent the Dracs over, owned them like utter little bitches, and then just stopped because they had ADHD or some fucking thing.

I don't mind the tech retcons in a vacuum but it fucks too hard with other things. If they'd re-done the Clan Invasion to match the revised dates and up-sized the Clans to match then sure, but like everything else it got half-assed.

>>54181458
>the fact that the Periphery never recovered from the Reunification War (except the Taurians) was a bit silly
The Outworlds Alliance was a state of peacenik quasi-Mennonites anyway, so they didn't even try to rebuild most of their heavy industry. The Star League let them keep their aerospace fighter production, because ASFs can defend OA worlds but can't take or hold ground, and other than that they were just happy to stay a bunch of technophobic dirt-farmers.
The Rim Worlds Republic recovered from Reunification perfectly well - just ask the ghost of Dumb Dick Cameron.
The Magistracy and the Concordat had Star League boots put firmly on their necks after the War, because they made the biggest fights of the whole thing. Canopus might have been treated more lightly, but both nations' economic and industrial workings - hell, even entire planets! - were deliberately engineered to be completely reliant on Terran money, Terran supplies, and Terran goodwill. The loss of all three when the Amaris Coup kicked off basically killed off half the population-base of each nation, and it takes a long-ass time for any state to recover from that kind of manpower implosion.

>>54181612
Yeah I wasn't really referring to the RWR but other than that, fair points. I forgot that the Star League basically satellite-stated the TC and MoC.

>>54181600
>the Ebon Magistrate shits on Light of Mankind operators
Only at the one thing intelligence operatives are *never actually supposed to do*, anon. Yes, Ebon Magistrate spies can murder the shit out of people in firefights or hand-to-hand... but spies are supposed to *gather or steal information*, ideally without anyone ever *knowing* it's been gathered/stolen. Gunfights are loud and messy and leave umpteen different kinds of evidence and fallout, and any spy who *gets* into a gunfight in the first place has utterly failed at secrecy and stealth and should be thrown out of the job at first opportunity.

Basically, the Ebon Magistrate are all James (or Janie) Bond, and 007 is almost certainly the *worst* actual spy in media history. He's a semi-decent assassin, but he's *utter shite* at anything involving actual intelligence. Of any sort.

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>>54181712

All of this. Being the deadlist operatives (not including the wobbie zombies) isn't all that great of a thing.

Last time this conversation came up, Nea had a similar point that I saved for a reference for my Periphery campaign. IMO people are getting bent out of shape about it just because it's the MOC and Periphery states aren't supposed to have anything nice, even the ones who have medical and implant tech as one of their factions main strengths going all the way back to the 1980s

>>54181712
>007 is almost certainly the *worst* actual spy in media history.
Say, dear anon, have you by any chance missed aquaintance with Sterling Archer?

>>54181600
>Thanks to Kit's bullshit, the Ebon Magistrate shits on Light of Mankind operators, because reasons.

So fucking weird that there's this complete disconnect between the Handbook MPS and TRO writeups of the Ebon bullshit and what actually happens to the MoC in the Jihad which was more in line with what you would expect.

>Magistrix hiding out on Sian while the whole damn state is under Blake occupation
>Capital burned to the ground literally
>Government in exile with just a handful of forces
>No communications since Blakists run all the HPG's
>Capellans factfinding mission to a lesser world getting BTFO by MD's to the point they turn Aris Sung into an unwitting double agent

The only reason there was even anything left was because when the Blakist took shit, they wanted it for themselves, not to destroy things. Kinda funny that the "bad guys" were the ones who fixed up and upgraded all the old factories they captured while the "good guys" blew them all up.

>>54181875
AFAIK, that show's never aired where I live.

>>54181951
The internet is your friend, anon. 7 seasons so far, with more in the making.

>>54181902
>The only reason there was even anything left was because when the Blakist took shit, they wanted it for themselves, not to destroy things. Kinda funny that the "bad guys" were the ones who fixed up and upgraded all the old factories they captured while the "good guys" blew them all up.

Well if you read any of the Operation SCOUR stuff, it usually goes like "the Allied people took the planet and as last fuck you Blakist nuked all the factories." And that's why the RoS troops are kinda hotpodge of mechs in the start as the WoBs destroyed most of the advanced stuff inside RoS.

>>54178025
I don't think they're lying. The site was hacked just before the outage, but I was able to connect again after the hack for a brief while. They've mentioned in the past when they've been attacked, and there's not much point in lying about something that's not your fault and is publicly verifiable (as this round of hacking was) anyways.

>>54182077
Not at all. The Blakists would nuke enemy units as a final fuck you. The factories were usually "the fighting got to be inside the factory and it got wrecked in the battle" or "people trying to dislodge the Blakists broke shit because fuck the Robes" Everything wrecked at Terra was the Stoner Coalition. Bears broke both Titan and Oneil because they were fucking assholes. Ground troops broke all sorts of shit at Mitchel. So on and so forth.

So usually it was more like "Killing Blakists without wrecking shit is HAAAAAAAARD. Just kill them all instead." This especially makes sense when you see what a rabid murderboner Stone had for Robes in person. The RotS had a hodgepodge because stuff was destroyed, but not because the Blakists destroyed it.

JHS Terra even makes note the Blakists weren't launching guided nukes outside dragonfire auto defense space stations. While this is the sort of stuff the people rooting out the Blakists were saying.

>We will resist these Blakists with every means at our disposal. If they bring a gun, then we shall bring a ’Mech! If they bring a ’Mech, then we shall bring a regiment! And if they use a nuke then we shall nuke them into the Stone Age and beyond because that is all they understand. Let us shove their “Peace of Blake” down their throats!

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>>54182182

Praise be.

>>54181712
>>54181874

If there hadn't been multiple decades of stuff saying Blake's Wrath and Light of Mankind were THE SHIT and everyone else quaked in their boots at the idea of ComStar/WoB special forces coming for them then sure. But there was, and then all of a sudden the Ebon Magistrate was better thanks to the power of the patron author.

I don't mind Periphery nations being good at whatever. I do mind when they're suddenly catapulted to the top of a tree ComStar and WoB have been so casually dominating for centuries.

the quality of maps found in the pastebin link is shit, resolution and photo angles make printing or using them not possible

who would ever post it, there is no use for them other than showing somebody how a battletech map looks like

only map set compilation, mappack hill terrain & flatlands set qualifiy as something one could use for gaming purposes.

remove the shitty links unless they are replaced with something having usability value

>>54182397
>But there was, and then all of a sudden the Ebon Magistrate was better thanks to the power of the patron author.

You are aware that the Ebon Magistrate is
a) not the best special forces unit, just the one most likely to win an infantry firefight, which is the <last> thing they want to actually get into, and
b) didn't achieve that status until the very tail end of the Jihad after Blakes Wrath and Light of Mankind (and pretty much everyone else's formations, for that matter) had been shattered by a decade of high tempo operations?

Nobody's saying that the Magistrate is better than those formations in 3067, or 55, or whatever date you feel like cherry picking to prove your argument. They're saying that the Magistrate is better than anybody else at the very end of the Jihad once everyone else's spec-ops formations were pretty much wrecked AND that the Magistrate is particularly good at the one thing spec-ops formations don't particularly want to be good at.

Your mad about something that isn't important and isn't in any way unreasonable when you view it in context. That's not patron author magic, unless you feel like claiming that every time a faction gets something nice you don't like, it's patron author magic.

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>>54182910
>Light of Mankind shattered
>When ROM is 90% still intact at the end of the war
>When even with Gibson and Terra gone, they are still able to mount sphere wide coordinated ops on a scale no other agency can muster
>Hitting over fifty different worlds at the same time across four million square light years

Not even him but AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>54182910

Anon.

Prior to TR 3085, Blake's Wrath, Light of Mankind, and perhaps the reborn Star League Fury squads (mostly drawn from BW and DEST) were the creme de la creme, followed by DEST and Rabid Foxes. After that was LOKI and the Death Commandos.

And that was for special operations at the infantry scale. The Magistracy wasn't even in spitting distance, cybered up troopers or otherwise- the Death Commandos were the most heavily auged.

Then all of a sudden, lolnope, Ebon Magistrate are the best.

So yeah.

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>>54183039
This.

The Word of Blake didn't lose the war. They just decided to give up Terra because they didn't need it any more and to stop fighting. ROM took less than 1% casualties throughout the entire Jihad campaign and even in the Dark Age is far better at every aspect of military operations than any other faction. Anyone seriously contesting the fact that ROM is the best intelligence service in the Inner Sphere in an unbroken streak all the way from the Terran Hegemony days through the Dark Age isn't a person worth conversing with.

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I haven't played MWO in literally 2 or 3 years.

Is it worth giving it another try?

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>>54183271

>Blake's Wrath
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad.
>LOM
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad.
>DEST
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad. Troops don't have bionics as default equipment in TRO3085.
>Rabid Foxes
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad. Troops don't have bionics as default equipment in TRO3085.
>Loki
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad. Troops don't have bionics as default equipment in TRO3085.
>Fiat Commandos
Endured 10 years of casualties in the Jihad. Troops don't have bionics as default equipment in TRO3085.

>Ebon Magistrate
Endured like 2 years of Blake occupation, assuming they were on Canopus, otherwise took a back seat to Death Commandos in the Jihad and so wouldn't have taken heavy casualties at all. Troops <do> have bionics as default equipment in TRO3085. The Magistrates are in a position to be called badass because everyone else is shit in 3085. It's like America immediately post-WW2; their economy looked great when it was the only functional one for 20 years.

I did just notice when I went back and looked over TRO3085 just now, the entry is for a specific subgroup of the Magistrate, not the whole organization. The relevant sentence is, in its entirety: "Ebon Magistrate Shock Troops are perhaps the deadiest soldiers being fielded today."

So, three important things:
1) "Shock troops" only. Not all Magistrates. It's an extra-small subgroup of the Magistrates.
2) "Perhaps", not "are". It's not a definite statement.
3) "Being fielded today", which disqualifies Blakist stuff, because they aren't being fielded in 3085. The entire description of the Blake spec-ops troops is written in the past tense as well.
4) Nobody else in the entire book but the Blakists use bionics as default equipment. Individual operators may have bionics, but not as default equipment.
5) They still aren't the best spec-ops in general. They're just good at firefights. Big deal.

>>54183274
>pic related

>>54183462

>They're just good at firefights. Big deal.

Fucking DEST and the Rabid Foxes made a habit of taking out Clan 'Mechs and stormed enemy WarShips as marines. Then the Ebon Magistrate are suddenly at least on their level if not better.

Keep spinning, Baghdad Bob.

>>54183462

You keep citing TRO 3085. Stop it. It literally doesn't matter what the TRO says.

All of the sane and correct people in the thread are telling you that TRO 3085 is not a valid source, BECAUSE of author fiat. You can't cite a source in an argument when the source itself is tainted.

If you want to cite a source that's valid, you'll have to cite a source from the Jihad era that Kit didn't work on or contribute to in any way, so we can be sure that the information on the MOC wasn't influenced by him.

>to save you time, there isn't one, so by definition your position holds no validity and cannot ever hold validity

>>54183569

It also ignores canon to that point because "lol Jihad losses."

If troops like DEST, Rabid Foxes, and Death Commandos are the yardstick- and their casualties weren't as bad as he's making out either- are the yardstick for awesome, what in the everloving fuck makes it realistic for the Magistracy to come out of nowhere with competitors, especially on top of their mystery supplies and general me-too shit with the CapCon of the Xin Sheng plus era?

Especially in an area they had no known expertise in, cybernetic bits or otherwise? Like seriously, read what LOKI, the DC, DEST, and Rabid Foxes do in the novels and Jihad era shit then tell me with a straight face that a Periphery nation should have a special ops force that fearsome.

>>54183569

To add to this, yes. Your observation 1-5 are all completely correct and reasonable. No sarcasm, no lie. According to TRO 3085, only a very small portion of the Ebon Magistrate is included in that statement, it does leave room for interpretation, it explicitly doesn't include the WoB cyberzombies, and they are described only as the 'deadliest', which has nothing to do with the far more common duties of special forces. Additionally, you are right in pointing out that the Magistrate is being compared against a bunch of other forces that have gone through a protracted war with comensurately high casualty rates; at the end of Vietnam, the SAS was blatantly a better organization than the USA's Delta Force as well, because most of the competent Delta guys were dead or were medically retired.

Your reading is 100% correct.

The problem is that what you're reading FROM is wrong. Your source material is irrevocably non-canon, because it's written by a patron author. It cannot be taken seriously nor used as evidence in a discussion by an honest participent.

You are an honest participant in this conversation, aren't you?

>>54183569
>>54183626
>>54183632

Then what the hell should you use as a source for era shit other than the fucking official TROs concerning that era, your personal canon you came in your mind?

>>54183626
>Especially in an area they had no known expertise in, cybernetic bits or otherwise?

Do you have a source on that?

As far as I was aware, there was simply no data. It's not that the Magistrate were good or bad, it's that they simply didn't get written about the way that the main IS powers DEVGRUs did.

>teaching people to be good at a firefight is literally the easiest part of military ops training. It's all the other shit they do at the same time, like learning to deal with Afghan tribesmen or any of the 20 other MOSs you're supposed to be competent in, that's hard. Trigger pulling is cake in comparison to having to be multicultural and do 4 other people's jobs simultaneously. I don't want to claim authority on an anonymous board, but I do have some small experience in this matter.

Also, I know I just said not to look at 3085, but I'll point out that their default equipment includes a cybernetic IR/targeting system that lets them see through cover out to 60 meters and operates as a targeting computer. Being able to ignore cover, to shoot a lot more accurately, and oh yeah, they've got subsurface implanted armor that doesn't hinder their movenent and basically negates normal small arms, plus whatever external armor they care to use on top of that. Nobody else has these capabilities built into their infantry.

So if we were to allow 3085 as a valid source, the Magistrates actually are arguably the deadlist infantry troops in the book (discounting the WoB troops). The TRO description isn't wrong.

>>54183710

Not our problem.

In the absence of a valid source changing the status quo, the status quo is what is valid. And the established status quo in Battletech pre-TRO 3085 is that the Magistrate was about the 15th-best special ops force among the 3067-era Inner Sphere's 14 major players.

>at doing anything other than getting HUMINT via pillow talk. I'll admit they've got that wrapped up tight.

>>54183710

I'm not >>54183632 and >>54183569 so I can't speak for him.

All I'm saying is that the EM shit comes literally out of fucking nowhere, promotes a Periphery state's special forces to /at least/ DEST and Rabid Fox tier, arguably better since the text explicitly says without WoB special forces around there's probably no-one better, is in a TR where Kit has a writing credit and is probably responsible for the entry, and generally coincides with the massive bigging up of the MoC's capabilities to support the bullshit plotlines of the CapCon in the Dark Age.

It's just a bridge too far for me. Like a PC who always wears mirror shades, a trench coat, and fights with two katanas.

>>54183774

As a 3rd party watching the shitflinging, what would it take for you to accept the EM's improvement as valid?

>>54183774

I am
>>54183569
>>54183632

I agree with every word you said, except these.

>arguably better since the text explicitly says without WoB special forces around there's probably no-one better

It doesn't say that. The MoC defender upthread is correct in that the text says there's probably no one better at one specific part of a mission. Not that the EM is just "better at everything" than everyone else. It's an important distinction.

If we're going to shit on those who deserve to be shat upon, let us do it from a position of truth, and not exaggerate so they can argue back and our exaggerations as ammunition against us.

>>54183788

Nothing. It can't be done. Both because it's such a radical break from the previous lore, and because the only person who writes about the MoC is Kit, and anything Kit writes is fundamentally biased and therefore invalid as a justification.

>>54183788

Same thing I want to see with most BT writing. A bit of foreshadowing and preferably without blatant authorial fiat. I don't mind so much if things are justified with a bit of set-up but a lot of the MoC stuff from Xin Sheng on is just "Oh, bee tee dubs, they're now super good at X :^)" and it's inevitably to support Coleman's writing or in something Kit's fingerprints are all over.

Same reason it's a mistake to get Jellico to write or design for the Bears or let MadCap write for the Caps.

>>54183824

>It doesn't say that. The MoC defender upthread is correct in that the text says there's probably no one better at one specific part of a mission. Not that the EM is just "better at everything" than everyone else. It's an important distinction.

Yeah, but again: we've seen DEST, Rabid Foxes, LOKI, and even Warrior Houses in action as infantry combatants. Shit, we've even seen Nekekami agents doing that job.

But apparently the EM are the best operators at operating operationally. This is what bugs me. Not their intel gathering, or analysis, or counter-intel, that they're better fighters than the DEST or Rabid Foxes who for like 25 IRL years and about double that IC have been held up as combatants who would make Rambo their bitch at will.

>>54183828

>Same reason it's a mistake to get Jellico to write or design for the Bears or let MadCap write for the Caps.

Isn't the reason Ghost Bear Dominion is what it is due to Ben Rome and him being Bears fan. I know Leviathans have been credited for his biggest fuckup. And yes a ship that can take an entire Star League era fleet and still come out top is a fuckup as it kinda makes the space fights vs that particular faction near impossible to the other side to win.

>>54183896

Bears have been riding high since the mid-50s but the retardation really starts with the 60s and the redesign of the Lev into the Lev II.

The original plan for the Jihad was even to have the Bears ride in at the 11th hour when everything was lost and BTFO the Word of Blake. What we got was still pretty dumb but I think it pre-dates Ben's tenure. He didn't help much when he did get in though.

Full disclosure: Dracfag who's still salty over him using CTRL+C, CTRL+V on the old Drac SB for HB: HK and doubling down on the old retardation of the Combine instead of treating it to a Cappie-style unfucking, even though the Dracs are allegedly actually his favourite faction.

>>54183855
>But apparently the EM are the best operators at operating operationally

>Damn you for not getting this and making me defend the damned EMs

They can see through cover.
They have a built-in targeting computer.
They basically ignore small arms fire.

Yes, dammit. They ARE the best at operating operationally because those are all things that make you really good at operating operationally, and the EMs have access to those because they've got the implants, not because they're better trained or more professional.

Take a group of 15 year Green Berets with no equipment but their guns and ammo, and a group of 5 year National Guardsmen who all have access to NVGs, body armor, and individualized access to an overhead IR drone feed and have them fight each other at night, and the Green Berets are going to have 7 kinds of shit kicked out of them. That's the same sort of differential between the EMs and everyone else you're talking about right now.

It's not just the people. It's also the tech edge. And right now, the EMs have a ridiculous tech edge which does have your requested "bit of foreshadowing", since the MoC's signature strength since the 1980s has been their medical science.

>Evidently the built-in Beagle Probe the EM's get also ignores the DEST stealth suits; tech marches on

>>54183955

DEST and Rabid Foxes use Stealth BA, anon.

They also have much better training and weapons. Have a look at the M42 some time.

But the EMs are better, because muh cyborgs.

>>54183320
Ask these guys. This thread is primarily MWO.
>>>/vg/181708894

>>54183991
>DEST and Rabid Foxes use Stealth BA, anon.

I was under the impression we were comparing infantry forces, not Battle Armor. The EM blurb is comparing them to the Manei Domini infantry.

As to whether 'muh cyborgs' deserve to be better or not, go look at 3085 and figure out what other non-WoB infantry forces are better, statwise, than the EMs. I don't see any.

What I'm really seeing here is that Catalyst shouldn't use adjectives in their TRO blurbs, because this whole deal (I blame myself as well) is going on because somebody wrote "deadliest" instead of literally anything else. If that adjective wasn't in the blurb, we wouldn't be going on about it.

>I'm out. The MoC defender upthread has clearly left, and I bow to your superior autistm. I'm not going to keep defending a point which is made in a source that shouldn't be canon in the first place.

>>54183991
>>54184044

The real issue here is that they made the Ebon Magistrate image a woman. Nobody with a half-brain would believe that a woman can be any sort of deadly infantryman. It even says why. InfantryMAN.

>>54183941
Coleman probably liked the old "muh honor" Samurai type Dracs over to the Theodores and his ilk modernised Dracs. That would explain why the Black Dragons can roll in peace and undoing any reforms done.

So I would call him the Joe Quesada of Battletech. If you don't know who that is just google Spiderman and One More Day and you will understand.

>>54184081
Sorry meant Rome

>>54184044

We have literally reams of fluff detailing how good the other special forces are as opposed to a couple of TR entries that don't detail the full capabilities of the special forces in question.

We have one TR entry where we're told, with literally nothing to back it up, that the EM troopers are at least equal to the dudes who've been long held up as the hardest of the hard core.

We appear to be going around in circles though. I'm happy to leave it there.

>>54184081

Rome appears to have had a fair bit to do with the Black Dragons everywhere thing.

>>54184081
The Black Dragon shit never made much sense to me until I read Heir to the Dragon and realized the old society he got inducted into by his teachers were basically the Black Dragons and they felt super betrayed when he abandoned all the old samurai ways in the name of things like actually winning.

What's funny is that do anything to win attitude is why they loved him so much in the first place.

And they still respected old man Takashi enough to not fuck with Teddy too much until he became Coordinator. Probably also hoping that Kanrei Teddy would be different than Coordinator Teddy because one is a general and one is the leader of the nation with cultural responsibilities as well as military. Then they got rolling when they realized he wasn't going to shove his thumb back on the honor scale a bit.

What gets me is how Hohiro was such a fuckup and made it through his entire reign. His son may have been called the Peacock but that man was a hundred times more effective and Draclike than his father and he still got overthrown and his family butchered. I think the official explanation was Hohiro was such a pussy he caved in to a lot of the traditionalists, and they were happy to take that over a strong decent leader?

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>>54174119
>Clans(all): Furry Genocidal Mass Murderers who not only practice slavery but go full Eugenics on top

...who provide superior and free medical services to all of its people, free unlimited intergalactic internet, free education beyond what's available in the IS, and they destroyed the pussy economy by alotting everybody a sex partner (who will more likely than not be the result of a couple of generations of breeding towards producing the perfect human being) and they also completed feminism by creating means for humans to breed without having to get half of their population pregnant.

They are the "bad guys".

>>54184557

I just got tired of two things.

One is that so few Drac characters actually got detailed compared to other factions (except for the forever forgotten FWL) that it was pretty much inevitable that any named character would turn out to be a Black Dragon regardless of how they'd been written up to that point, up to and including being besties with Theodore and 110% behind his reforms. Because fact checking is haaaaard, I guess.

The other was the regularity with which it would turn out that the latest attempt to root out the Black Dragons had actually been conducted by a secret Black Dragon and had mostly killed off Drac loyalists, with any real Black Dragons either accidental casualties because not even the BDS could keep track of who was on their side or who were political rivals of the dude doing the purging.

Agreed on Hohiro though, he was a turnip of the highest order. Feddies bitch about Yvonne, it would be nice if anyone after Takashi attained even a tenth of her achievements.

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>>54184605
Don't forget that each Clan is organized in a caste system led by their Warrior castes, non-warriors basically live and die to serve the needs of Clan war efforts, they may as well be considered second-class citizens in comparison to mech warriors, the whole honor system and all the weird shit that comes with that, all of the Home Clans live very minimalistic lives with little concept of materialism or consumerism, and every major clan are massive cunts while all the remaining minor clans are hipster factions.

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What's some essential Battletech anime kino? Hard sci-fi that depicts mechs as specialized war machines piloted by trained professionals.

I liked VOTOMS and Dougram, but almost everything else had an ordinary schoolboy protagonist defeating the evil by flying in space while weilding a big sword, believing in himself, using the power of friendship and love, and working as a team.

>>54185713
>Don't forget that each Clan is organized in a caste system

Considering that the Founding Fathers imagined the US to be a caste system too, I don't really see the issue?

I mean, they are literally the best in a long line of the best who're put through rigorous tests that demonstrated that they were truly born to be at the top of the heap. That's basically a 4D Dolby Surround version of everything the Founding Fathers dreamt of for their Republic.

They certainly didn't fight to see their nation be ruled by the incarnaton of everything white trash.

>>54185713

What baffles me is how little caste uprisings we have seen. Their violent, dangerous furry shit is depicted as almost utopian. The only major uprisings were the Wolverines and the Society.

I loved the concept of Society so fucking much. A bunch of technicians and labhands riding in all sorts of experimental stuff, shitting on zellbrigen and proud clan warriors left and right until they cant do anything but scream autistically and chimp out in genocides. We had a great new faction and a credible threat. And then they fucking die. All of them. Wiped out completely. The wank falcons even Annihilated their entire scientist caste and walked away like nothing happened.

>>54185795
>[citation needed]

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>>54185750
While it has at least half of those things you listed, 8th MS Team is a personal favorite for being about mech grunts instead of super psychic pilots.

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There was that challenge in the last thread, that I decided to throw poo at, and I think it came out pretty fun.

I think it wanted 3 different types of autocannon, sans HVAC.

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>>54187541
well shit griffins

I had such a headache while editing it that I failed cropping real hard. Fuck doing battletech things sober.

>>54187541
>YOU SEE IVAN
>WHEN USE 4 CANNONS
>AND WIN AN ENEMY
>NEVER RAN OUT OF AMMO
>OF LOADING ENEMY AMMO INSTEAD!
>"Why not just use energy weapons?"
>[slavic screeching]

>>54185827
Technically, just like WoB, there is no hard proof they all got completely wiped out other than "the clans said so". Goliath scorpion was supposed to be reaved and then escorpio empirio happened.

there is probably a few society conclaves shitting about in the periphery somewhere fronting as mercs or hiding in caves or some shit. My local groups allow their tech well into the dark ages.

They may not be an official faction after the reaving, but i would love to see them pop back up in some later writing. I won't hold my breath.

>>54185750
>but almost everything else had an ordinary schoolboy protagonist defeating the evil by flying in space while weilding a big sword, believing in himself, using the power of friendship and love, and working as a team.

You're supposed to watch real robo shows, not super robo shows.
The former is all melancholy, war sucks and is bad, look at all these grunts dying horribly and nations falling apart.
The latter is about hope, flashy battles, called moves and the power of friendship.

I find the latter infinitely superior because I don't watch movies to feel miserable and cry afterwards.

Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket - War drama about grunts finding themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time.

8th MS Team is just military fetishism, more of the notVietnam from VOTOMS' second arc.

Macross - Original, DYRL, Plus, Frontier, Delta (only the first half).
Has music in it. If you can't stand anything other than the humm of your old fridge, you should steer clear.
Professional soldiers fighting against all sorts of dastardly alien threats that usually come down to armstices.

Patlabor - Original in that these are professional policemen, not soldiers. If you're a guncrazed redneck, feel free to watch the movies that ommit all the comedy and focus solely on warfare.
Otherwise watch the show, it's a giant robot policeman unit with the quality of Police Academy entrants.

More GUNDAM!
Gundam Thunderbolt - Hedonistic masochism of enrolled soldiers who are far too lost in the soldier indoctrination process. Butchery.

If you're not cured of your military fetishism by then, it shouldn't be hard to throw in more Gundams and a broth of slightly less antique anime for your seconds.

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>>54183991
I decided to go have a look. Because there's never enough autism in BTG. All stats from 3085.

Platoon of 21 Rabid Foxes.
Ground MP: 1
Armor Divisor: 1
To-hit: -2 (0 hexes); 0 (1-2 hexes); +2 (3-4 hexes); +4 (5-6 hexes)
Max Weapon Damage: 10 (21), 9 (20-18), 8 (18-16), 7 (15-14), 6 (13-12),
5 (11-10), 4 (9-8), 3 (7-6), 2 (5-4), 1 (3-2), 0 (1)
Using M42s, just like you asked.
Equipment: Sneak Suit (Camo/ECM/IR) - Ignore Active Probes; +2 to be hit penalty if platoon moves, +2 if 0 MP expended.

Platoon of 21 Ebon Magistrates
Ground MP: 1
Armor Divisor: 2
To-hit: -3 (0 hexes); -1 (1-2 hexes); +1 (3-4 hexes); +3 (5-6 hexes)
Max Weapon Damage: 18 (21), 15 (20-18), 12 (17-15), 9 (14-11), 6 (11-7), 3 (6-3), 2 (2), 1 (1)
Using 4 Ebony lasers and 3 Man-pack Plasma guns.
Equipment: IR/Targeting Eye (-1 to hit, gains 2-hex range Active Probe), Dermal Armor (+1 damage divisor, +1 support weapon per squad, -1 support weapon crew per weapon to a min of 1)

Interestingly, the Ebony Assault Laser used by the Magistrates has a max range of ~1200m, vs the ~450m range of the M42. One might expect the EM squad to have another 1-2 hexes of range over the Foxes.

Basically, since the two platoons come into range (6) simultaneously, the question is, assuming the Foxes hit every time they fire, is whether or not the EM squad hits on the first two rounds of combat. If they do, then the EMs win the battle, regardless of what the Foxes do. If the EMs don't hit until round 3, then the EMs lose unless the Foxes manage to miss as well. The big difference is the armor, cutting the Foxes damage in half is gigantic; the best possible damage the Foxes can do is 5 points (because of the damage divisor of 2).

But yes, it's not unreasonable at all to call the EM's deadlier than the Foxes, with the game rules backing that up. With the way infantry combat works very few infantry units can spot another even-sized infantry unit an unopposed turn of fire and still win.

>>54189028
>Still using noncanon TRO
Go away.

>>54189112
>TROs are less canon than my opinion

My favorite meme

>>54189261
opinions and abridged facts are not one and the same

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>>54189112
>>54189261
>>54189467

>>54189028

M42B does 1.02 damage per trooper. 21 troopers is 21 damage. Even if they had M61 Laser Rifles they'd be doing 16 damage.

Ebony Rifles are .21 damage each for .84 damage per Squad and the three MP-Plasmas for 4.74. 5.58 per squad total, 18 for the unit.

This is also arbitrarily using the listed infantry type rather than the Rabid Foxes we've seen referred to in other material, where they fight backed by heavier weapons and in the uber DD 2 unencumbering AFFC armour.

Or, you know, fucking storming Smoke Jaguar and Ghost Bear vessels, fighting armoured Elementals, and crushing them completely.

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>>54187541
>>54187611
>>54187683
That reminds me I made on too, I just never posted it. I wanted to make a Medium 'Mech as well but I can't quite get it how I want it. Basically the idea behind this one was "Fuck Vees, Aero, VTOLs, WiGE, and Infantry. Enemy 'Mechs pls no bully."

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>think of a cool new mech idea
>search MekLab
>there's already an almost identical mech

>>54189876
Yeah most niches are filled anymore. Even warcrime 'Mechs are starting to become a bloated market.

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>>54189888
>warcrime 'Mechs
Hmm... Tell me more about those... Warcrime mechs, stranger...

>>54189799

>M42B does 1.02 damage per trooper. 21 troopers is 21 damage. Even if they had M61 Laser Rifles they'd be doing 16 damage.

First, don't take that up with me. Take it up with pic related. 18 M42Bs and they do 10 damage. Deal with it.

>This is also arbitrarily using the listed infantry type rather than the Rabid Foxes we've seen referred to in other material, where they fight backed by heavier weapons and in the uber DD 2 unencumbering AFFC armour.

Second, when we have actual stats for those other units, then fine, we can revisit the issue. Until then, canon stats beat out non-canon speculation.

If you can't come up with some canon published stats, then shut the fuck up.

>>54189928
Scarecrow, fullstop.

>>54189876
Welcome to my world. I've created a custom design, fluffed it, gone to save it, and realized I've already made something with that exact tonnage and loadout.

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>>54189947

Fuck you 4chan, there's no embedded file in that picture. What the hell's been up with the site today?

>>54189955
When I just started I was full of great ideas like "man, those heavy gauss rifles rock. I wonder if I can put TWO of them on a single 100 ton mech, wouldn't it be awesome..." or "man, those plasma rifles. I wonder if I can put~"

And then I just read Fafnir TRO. Yeah...

>>54189962
/tg/ actually died for several hours for some reason.

>>54189999
Not just /tg/ other boards too.

>>54190082
It was weird. /vg/ was fine, for example.

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>>54189962
>>54189947


>>54189799
>M42B does 1.02 damage per trooper.

Not that I support a defense of the Magistracy, but for what its worth, the lying liar you're arguing with is a liar, and you probably shouldn't bother responding to his lying posts any longer.

I didn't think any standard scale weapon had a damage ratio of higher than 1 per trooper, so I had to go look in HB:HD. The actual damage from an M42 rifle is 0.68 per trooper. This makes me curious as to whether he'll declare HB:HD non-canon next.

Not non-canon, but superseded by the stats in TechManual (and the associated errata). There are a couple of non-support weapons with over 1 damage per weapon.

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>>54189947

>First, don't take that up with me. Take it up with pic related. 18 M42Bs and they do 10 damage. Deal with it.

>>54190165

>Not that I support a defense of the Magistracy, but for what its worth, the lying liar you're arguing with is a liar, and you probably shouldn't bother responding to his lying posts any longer.

Go and look at the TechManual errata, you fucking mongs. Pic related. It's not my fault they don't fact-check for shit and/or that you haven't downloaded a version of the TR that has kept up with the errata.

>Second, when we have actual stats for those other units, then fine, we can revisit the issue.

Stats don't beat canon results and statements from other sources. If they did the Clan Invasion would have failed hilariously in the Periphery because there's no way to replicate those results on the tabletop. Much less 90% of the other fiction in the game.

>>54190305

>awfully convenient that the battletech site is down so that the errata cannot be downloaded.

Not the guy you're sperging with, but if those stats are accurate, holy SHIT is that a pro-Davion bias. That should be what people are fighting about. Who cares if periphery powers want to shit around calling themselves deadly or whatever, both of those rifles are completely the fuck broken.

That's like having a Clan LPL that does 25 damage. It completely obsoletes every other infantry small arm the game. What the fuck was Catalyst thinking? Xotl? You out there?

Forget the peripheryfags and sperg about this.

>>54190428

>>awfully convenient that the battletech site is down so that the errata cannot be downloaded.

It's been up for fucking years at this point. I don't know how it's a surprise to anyone.

if those stats are accurate, holy SHIT is that a pro-Davion bias. That should be what people are fighting about.

I hate to break it to you but I have been doing this for over a year already.

>>54190305
>Stats don't beat canon results and statements from other sources.

You should have left this out. Up to this point you were winning the argument with up-to-date sources. This statement is fucking idiotic when the entire discussion is about whether the game rules justify the fluff.

You're both autistic assholes, but as far as I'm concened, you lost the fight right there.

>>54190428
>Not the guy you're sperging with, but if those stats are accurate, holy SHIT is that a pro-Davion bias.

Is anyone genuinely suprised at this? Oh look, the Davions get a magic rifle that does 3 times the damage of anyone else's basic infantry weapon save the fucking SLDF, at zero negative cost in weight, range, or rate of fire. What. A. Shock.

If anything listed so far should be non-canon, it's fucking that. I'm completely sick of Davion and Capellan bias out of the writers (I'd probably be more sick about the Bears if I played aerospace, too).

>>54190428
The method used to generate infantry weapon stats in TW play needs work, but that's another discussion. The M42B and other weapons like it get to the damage they have by combining the damage of the rifle (already one of the better infantry weapons) with the damage of the rifle's underslung microgrenade launcher.

>>54190539
>It's been up for fucking years at this point. I don't know how it's a surprise to anyone.

Nobody's got time to download a new, 300-page errata every other month and remember every single change. I stopped caring about CGL-issued errata 3 years ago. It's not worth trying to keep up on, and when they do issue it, about half the time it just makes the game worse somehow.

>those rifles

Exhibit A.

>>54190428
That was a Herb call. He was the one who re-calced all the weapons. He got to those, punched their stats into the new formulas, said holy shit, and decided to go with it anyways, after a shake of the head at the guy who originally created them (David McCullough?)

Basically he acknowledged they were absurd, but decided to leave them as is. Not sure why.

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/btg/, I come to you and need your help. So, a friend of mine is starting up a campaign soon (you know who you are). I managed to coax the following promise out of him: if I can make a Swordsman mini, I'll get to play an updated version of one in the campaign. So, /btg/, I come to you and ask for your assistance with kitbashing a Swordsman together. I have some of the pieces sourced already (the arms are from the Helepolis, the torso and missile pack are from the primitive Griffin), but I need suggestions for the autocannon on the shoulder and the legs.

Can /btg/ help me cash in a drunken promise, or are we too engaged in shitflinging like usual?

>>54191907
Looks like you should be able to use the legs/lower torso of a Hellbringer/Loki or Thor/Summoner.

The autocannon? Might grab one from a Marauder, but the mount may have to be scratchbuilt.

>>54191907
>updated version
I thought it had only SRMs and lazors.

>>54191907
Why would you want a 40 tonner that only moves 2/3?

That sounds like suicide.

>>54191907
I can offer a little bit of advice if you have the crafting skill/tenacity: green stuff.

i see guys in the 40k camp make their own molds out of quickset rubber or epoxy and press green stuff into it.

OR you can file down the cannon that comes with the insanekangaroo ebon jaguar. that dudes pewter is super soft and you can dice it up with a dollar store Xacto knife.

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>>54192023
Not him, but it's 4/6.

>>54192094
Eesh. Still slower than I'd want in a very light medium.

>>54191907
>Can /btg/ help me cash in a drunken promise, or are we too engaged in shitflinging like usual?

Both. Since others have taken care of the latter, I'll try the former.

Autocannon would probably be best using the shoulder-mount from the Verfolger. It's not exact, but the mount is close enough and it's universal enough that it can easily be mounted on your mini. Plus, if you buy one, you'll probably double the number of yearly Verfolgers sold.

The legs are roughly the same "generic" legs that about half the humanoid Dark Age minis have. There's going to be some small differences, but IMO either the Crimson Hawk 4 or the Centurion 11O legs would work. A Legionnare could as well.

>>54191473

Now that Herb's gone, could maybe we review those weapons for an errata? Because yeah, those damage values are ludicrous.

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>>54188668
>Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket - War drama about grunts finding themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time.

You picked my personal fave, anon. If the first five minutes of the first episode don't grab you, you're not cut out to be /btg/ material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6GTdyWTrQ

>>54191983
>Loki/Thor
Interesting, didn't think about them. The AC mount looks tough, haven't seen anything like it yet.

>>54191997
The Swordsman originally mounted an AC/5, an LRM 5, and 2 Meds.

>>54192023
I said updated, meaning actual tech not primitive tech. It'd probably end up like a 5/8 with decent gear on it, haven't updated the sheet just yet.

>>54192077
I don't really have the skill to do green stuff, never worked it before and am not confident enough to work with it now. If necessary though, I might need to figure it out. I was hoping someone knew about a mech with that style of AC mount that I don't, since I'm still not up to date on all the minis.

HEy, anyone knows of names for WoB/FWL-produced X-Large Pulse Laser and Plasma Rifles? I am trying to update the old 3067 Objective Raids up to 3150 and while thos weapons seems to appear in some WoB products, i can not find any named one produced in WoB/FWL factories.

>>54192119
>Verfolger
That's actually pretty close. Wouldn't be perfect, but good enough for my purposes.

>Centurion
Same here, I like the Centurion-11O legs better than the Crimson Hawk/Legionnaire legs. Close to what I'm looking for, probably as close as I'll get without custom sculpting the damn thing.

Now, to contact IWM and see about ordering the bits. Hopefully I won't have to order like five mechs to cannibalize (two Helepoli, a Centurion-11O, a Verfolger, and a Primitive Griffin). I'm certainly hoping that IWM will be obliging about this.

Also, NEA, you might be getting an email at some point about this matter, depending on how my chat with IWM goes.

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>>54192152
insane kangaroo seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth, so i'd maybe say go for the warhansa 'matador' if you don't mind working with resin. it uses MWO leggo style aesthetics so it should be easy to fit with minimal reshaping.

>>54192276
He's on eBay.

>>54192294
>insinuating that I didn't literally just try to look him up

if you find his account link it 'cause it didn't show up for me.

>>54192135

Totally agree, altough i despise the Gundam mech designs.

>>54192339
Are you retarded or something? Came up on Google instantly. It is on ebat.ph though, for reasons.

http://www.ebay (notspam) ph/usr/insane_kangaroo

>tfw living in russia and buying BT minis is literally impossible, and shipping costs a fuckton
>tfw just googled warhansa, and it turned out it's a russian company that sells minis for about 6.66$ (converted) per a single mech
Where was this knowledge for my entire pathetic life?

>>54192459
I envy you. We just have to clone ours in shady local recasters.

>>54192439
>ignorant of googles catered user bubble

no, but you just gave away that you are. also that link is giving me a server error so obviously something more is going on here. use your brain.

>>54192508
Pretty sure all "official" casters here are also part-time shady recasters.

>>54192564
Nah, here are all shady. So shady that GW and New Line Cinema got the local police to raid their workshops.

>>54192547
Just checked link on both desktop, laptop, and phone. Worked in all cases, no warnings or server warnings. Don't know what's up there.

And yeah, I don't pretend to be entirely up to date on all IT trends or information, sorry anon that I let you down.

>>54192459
Wow, he sells the same minis for $14 to US customers. What a ripoff.

>>54192671
Yep. Pretty amazing business strategy, actually.

What would be a good refit for the Cyclops in the 50s? The canon one is not great

http://hobbybunker.ru/index.php/component/ksenmart/battletech___mechwarrior.html

Here's the site. You can convert RUB to USD and be amazed. If you ever go to Russia, consider buying in bulk.

>>54192693
Well when he hiked his prices to $14 from $12 he lost my business, and I'm sure plenty of other business, so I'm not so sure. I guess if he has a lot of customers in Russia maybe he wouldn't care though. I wouldn't call gouging part of your customer base "good business" though, unless you're GW because your fans are retards and you'll always get away with it.

>>54192671
the shipping costs aren't god awful, that's probably where they make up the difference.

>>54192700
They never get great, but an ok command mech. The 11 and 12 series are 3050+ updates, swap AC for gauss yada yada.
What are you looking for out of it?
I think a DA one has two gauss rifles but a tick slower.

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>>54192724
They're still 12$ on warhansa though. Also, it's not cheap sending stuff abroad nowadays, with fucked up economy and all.

>>54192724
>they're back down to $12 again
I just looked. What the hell happened? I'm not complaining but... wat? I guess the $14 WAS a bad idea.

>>54192760
>THEY KNOW

>>54192746
I swear they were $14 for a while. I'd bet money on it. Because I was going to go order some after they went up to $12 from $10 and saw $14 and said "noooope". I'll probably consider him again now.

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Gotta admit, although I strongly dislike around 33% MWO's designs, some look great as minis. I never liked skimpy knight, for example. Even Mechwarrior 4 one looked much better.

>>54192700
Assuming you aren't replacing the engine with an XL? Tear out the missiles for an ERPPC and armor, go DHS, replace the AC/20 with a GR, and it makes a reasonable fat heavy.

>>54192700
The 11-g is also your straight up new toy upgrade.

>>54192890
>>54192700
Something similar I did. You can also change the ERPPC for an ERLL and the MLs for MPLs and get good results.

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>>54192995
>4chan ate the pic
Oh well.

>>54193070
That's what it shoulda been anon, very nice.

>>54192995
Quoted wrong thing and can't delete my post.

>>54193342
wut

>>54193392
Sorry, I like your 10-v but with the MPL and ERLL thats what I meant.

>>54193458
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

>playing battletech a time of war at LGS
>guy sees us playing
>sells us 4 alpha strike lance boxes for 5$ each.
Gave two to the GM, Kept two for myself. Does it matter how I paint them? this is my first time getting battletech minis.

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So, I wanted to design a boss battle for my (green) players as their graduation of sorts. I wanted it to be memorable, so here's something I came up with. It's not great, but I'm going for style. Besides, when I was thinking about a battle plan, my first thought was "what would Steiners do?". So I thought that a superheavy cousin of Awesome-8Q would be a good idea. Gonna add some support mechs for it to take advantage of C3i (I don't know if they and their brains are going to survive the 12v12 slugfest yet). Probably will make the CO some mad general bad guy of sorts.

YOU have the right to name that beauty! Best name will be used to strike fear in the hearts of my players. Also, if you have some design suggestions, I'm all ears. Balancing superheavies' crits and weight proved to be extremely taxing.

>>54190540

>You should have left this out. Up to this point you were winning the argument with up-to-date sources.

No, I'm pointing out the absurdity of using game rules over long-standing fluff. There are no rules to allow the replication of what Kai did at The Gash on Twycross, does that mean it didn't happen? Stats for FedCom RCTs indicate they should have been able to sweep the Clanners just between their conventional fighter and artillery support, never mind their infantry and vehicle contingent, care to retcon the Clan Invasion? And so on and so forth.

Again, the EM come out of fucking nowhere and get bumped right to the head of the competency queue because reasons. I literally could not give less of a fuck about the gear they have, even though it's still not as good as what the FedSuns or Dracs (Ebony Rifles are beaten by Blazers which is their standard weapon) and more that they're suddenly better than the Rabid Foxes or DEST fluff-wise.

>>54192119

>Now that Herb's gone, could maybe we review those weapons for an errata? Because yeah, those damage values are ludicrous.

The salt generated by that should be hilarious, since it should also hit the Mauser series including the IICs. Feddies be mad, Wobbies be mad, Clanners be mad.

>>54192700

Remove two SHS, change to DHS, use Endo. This gets you 6.5 tons. Even if all you do is jam in a C3 Master and GECM it's a lot better, but you could upgrade to an LRM-15, add Artemis, put on CASE and increase the armour by 1.5 tons too.

>>54193924
eldjötnar, surtur, or muspell

>>54192204

Don't think they've ever shown up in print. They'd probably just be called Tronel X-Pulse or Magna X-Pulse though.

>>54194100
>there are Atlas, Titan, and Ogre, but no Jötunn mech
This makes me irrationally sad for some reason.

>>54194100
>>54194188
Jotunn and Sutur would be great names for 'Mechs. I've used the Gigas as well.

>>54194100
>retarded modern CGL naming
Fuck that. I say Big Bertha.

>>54194310
>Gentlemen! I present to you... the HG-7 HUGE

>>54194272
If Gigas is not energy boating I'd be upset.

So, hatchets do 1 damage per 5 tons.

What about tactical superheavy hatchets...

>>54194333
You'd be upset. Its main guns are a pair of Large Lasers though.

>>54194365

I'd rather just kick. A 200-tonner will kick for 40 points of damage, which should instantly go internal on anything under 95 tons unless it has some kind of specialty armour.

Alternatively you can punch twice for 20 damage each.

Hulk smash enough already, IMO.

>>54192880
I don't like some of the MWO designs, but some I love.

In parricular I dislike how chunky the Battlemaster looks, and I'm not a big fan of their Banshee.

I do, however, love the hell out of the Centurion, and the Commando looks pretty good. I'm still trying to figure out what everything on Warhansa is since I'm not too familiar with all the redesigns.

>>54194796
The Beemer and Banshee are shit on MWO, but I gotta say, the Warhammer and the Marauder are slick looking. I also am growing to like the Shad and the Assassin.

>>54194796
Post mini names from there, we can translate them to BT names.

>>54193604
>Does it matter how I paint them?
Not really, no, unless you actually want to represent specific units.

Basic camo patterns and such are always good faction agnostic options.

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>>54194796
Same. Some of the designs just look flat out silly, but I feel like some either capture the feel of the mech or even give it a well needed face lift.

>>54194796
Catapult and Locust look great. The Assassin is also top-notch. Blackjack and Warhammer were really good concepts, and the Huntsman is pure sex. So is the Viper. But yeah, there are a few that are not that great, and some that are better than the canon versions, but aren't so good that I wish they'd be the replacements.

I don't like the future look MWO has but for some odd reason I get really irked by alteration for game play, like for example the mauler, the arms don't hang as far to make it worse. The mauler a shit it looked better with longer hanging arms. Who cares it's a shit mech.

>>54194796

I've always hated the Madcat's weird noodle arms, so I really like MWO's design.

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>>54195107

I'm a big fan of some of the changes to mechs that had noodley appendages; especially heavier designs with them. Makes them seem more beefy and dangerous.

I'm mostly happy MWO pulls units not used like missile racks on timber wolfs for example.

>>54188668
>cured of your military fetishism by then
I am not sure battletech is how that happens.

Thanks for pointing out thunderbolt, looks bleak.

>>54195308
Thunderbolt is alright, but suffers from slapping so many extra thrusters and long manipulator arms on stuff that the Feddie mechs are pretty awful, especially the Atlas Gundam in the second season. The Zeek stuff is pretty great though, mostly because it's old MSV variants with a few extra pieces I would think. I love extra equipment when it makes sense but Thunderbolt goes full retard in throwing away the whole old ambulac justification for limbed mechs in the Gundam universe in the first place.

His Macross recommendations are bad. Frontier was more like Starship Troopers with idols than a proper Macross series and Delta was garbage from beginning to end. The OG one is pretty fun though.

Patlabor, speaks to the Accounttech in all of us.

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>>54195146
The funny thing I took a look at some of art work of Timber Wolf and the variation how noodly the arms are is staggering, I think the issues is some artists made it more Catapult than Marauder and those tend to have itsy bitty hands. The one pictured is the one that i think has the most balanced proportions.

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>>54195853

Here is one with more Timber looking like a Catapult and the hands are noodles

Whats the smallest mech you can fit a gauss rifle on?

>>54193604
>Does it matter how I paint them?
There is no requirement to play canon factions or use the mechs they prefer. Most people like to paint their stuff up to look like one of the regiments, though. It's pretty fun to get into the lore and read about "Your dudes" doing stuff in the setting.

But you can paint them however you please, and when it comes down to it, if you absolutely have to, you can claim they're a small-time merc unit or pirate band.

>>54195881
Yea thats some bad art, I think first is workable in canon.

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>>54195881

That's almost Rakshasa-level silly looking.

>>54178831
Throw in Adam Steiner (beaten VSD badly before plot armor saved VSD), all Bounty Hunter incarnation, and most of the Kerensky bloodlines until authors decided to write them off (Nat killed by Joanna by jumpjets, Ulric by "dishonorable" missiles salvo, Ranna freak lucky cockpit shot).

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>>54195881
And here is truly abortion of an Timber Wolf jeesus christ what the hell was the artist thinking

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>>54195853
The original is fine. It's mostly people not sticking to the blueprints.

>>54195885
Hollander I think is the cannon smallest one they put one in, and that is 35 ton light mech.

>>54195964
can go lighter with DA and XXL but yea. Also >>54195959
perfect look still a scary mech and so well laid out.

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>>54195853
>>54195881
>>54195959

>>54195964

There's an Uller config with a Gauss, so 30 tons.

>>54196035
Half CW hal WFD logos.. damn you canon. See for a stock this is not a bad look ihmo.

>>54196055
Disgusting. Both sets of launchers should be in the shoulder mount. And y'know, one of each pair should be facing rear.

>>54195931
>(Nat killed by Joanna by jumpjets, Ulric by "dishonorable" missiles salvo, Ranna freak lucky cockpit shot).

As I understand Jordan Weisman still doesn't like how Nasty K died in the Refusal War as she was her favourite character.

Ulric's death was really dishonorable as it was supposed to be duel between him and Jade Falcon Khan, but the Dickbird set up hidden LRM launchers that took out the entire Star Ulric came with to the duel, Vlad Ward being the only survivor.

>>54196061
Well then I am corrected I think without going full DA with that is about lowest you can go and even then the damn thing is about the half of the weight of the mech.

>>54195937
Looks like he watched all Alien movies available at the time back-to-back while drawing.

>>54196081
It's not a MkIV

>>54193924
Tchernobog.

If it was a Clan-tech machine, following the Nova-Supernova-Hellstar line I'd call it the Hypernova.

>>54196330
You can fit an Inner Sphere Gauss Rifle and 2t of ammo on a 25t chassis with 1t of armor, a 100XL, and Endo Steel for a 4/6 move walking gun platform. It dies to being looked at, but that's about as light as the IS can go with 3050 tech. The Clans could probably make a 20t 'Mech work, technically. 30 tons gets you the same setup for the Inner Sphere but with 4.5t of armor instead of 1, which is a much more usable amount.

>>54196961
The Mk IV is just a Madcat A loadout. That being said, that's probably called a CDR which isn't a real Madcat variant because of the forward facing six packs.

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>>54196081
Those aren't PPCs in the arms, obviously. Taking a swing at this one.

You could go with ERMLs and add four heat sinks, but then you've only got a single crit in the CT and a single crit in a side torso left for anything else, assuming you don't drop LAAs. Maybe ECM and a probe? Try that one out.

Would have preferred APGRs but apparently Megamek thinks they fall under the 'no lower/hand' rule.

>>54197047
Mad Cat D actually, but yeah, it's a canon design. MWO just doesn't into rear weapons, see also the Atlas. Shame; I remember X Wing and TIE Fighter had at least viewscreen switching compatibility; keeping a rear-monitor that you can flip to and use rear guns would have been nice.

>>54197071
Pretty sure they did away with rear-firing weapons not because they're ponderous but because it'd make Lights shittier than they already are if they're not an Arctic Cheetah or Locust.

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>>54197082

Y'know, because bog-standard fuckstick pilot is so good at managing all of his angles of attack, especially the rear arc.

>>54197093
You're right; my fault for giving the average puggle the benefit of the doubt.

>>54197071
Not like any other MW game has had rear guns either. MW2 even had rear camera MFD capability.

>>54197104
Only ever played MW 1, none of the others. Dabbled in MWO a little. Either way, it'd have been nice to have something on your rear end. Maybe even an automatic tracker with its own hit-chances, like an AMS with a moderate hit rate.

>>54197128
There's currently laser turrets ingame, mounted either stationary or on dropships. They like to go after the weak mechs and hit pretty well.

Mounting a hardpoint for such a thing in the back of an Atlas would be... well, not impossible maybe, but I have no idea if those turrets would check for friendly fire. They sure would discourage some pesky 6ML Locusts.

So what happened to the battletech.com website? Doesn't seem to work anymore.

>>54197611
I think there's a post about it upthread.

>>54197615
Oh ok, I see. Thought they were dead.

>>54195012
Funny you say that and post a completely redrawn version.

>>54197611
Server move

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>>54193924
Omega Nigga

>>54199262
>Evaporate the oceans...
Welp, if that happens at least I don't have to do PSRs for that anymore.

>>54199554
This reminds me of that one feddie planet that only had a few habitable islands so the locals tried building underwater cities on the shelves of the islands.

And all the construction activity lured seamonsters out of the depths to attack them.

>>54185750
Patlabor is a good one. Blue Gender is a terrible anime, but it fits your requirements mostly. Appleseed? Haven't seen it, but it may qualify.

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>>54199703
>Patlabor is a good one.

The first movie is a masterpiece. Brains and guts! Like War In The Pocket, if the first five minutes (quad mech and combined arms? OK!) doesn't grab you, yer not /btg/ material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a54cINonA3U


>Appleseed? Haven't seen it, but it may qualify.

The manga is a futuristic S.W.A.T. drama with Tom Clancy-level technical details. As much as I love Miyakazi's work, Shirow (creator of not only Appleseed, but Ghost in the Shell, Orion, Black Magic, and Dominion) is actually my favourite artist.

There was a hand-drawn Appleseed OVA made back in the 80's that - as much fun as it was to see the characters jump off the page - is thoroughly awful. Then there was a series of three CGI movies. The first is good, and follows some big plot points of the manga on which it is based. The second one, Appleseed Ex Machina is over the top, but watchable. I haven't yet seen Appleseed Alpha or the short series Appleseed XIII.

>>54194188
Most of the fancy laser stuff the WoB had was also Blakenburg...ummm. That left the Plasma Rifle ...probably i will go Blakenburg too.

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>>54199907
>The first movie is a masterpiece.

It's also a perfect parallel for everytime somebody tries to force "upgrades" to a shit operating system. XP to Vista, 7 to 10, those kind of things.

>>54199692
Lackland and the Mothers of the Sea.

>>54185750
I would add Dragonar and Vifam. Don't let either of them fool out at first, they're pretty decent.

>>54200290
Vifam is such a sexy mech. It would be right at home with the old Unseen boys.

>>54200290
>Dragonar
>Most of the series only has crabstick subs

>>54200445
Crabstick? I had a copy years ago with what I think was Hong Kong subs. They were a little silly, but it worked.

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What seems more inline with a second line clan mech's primary weapon? A LPL or erPPC? maybe some other six ton energy weapon?

>>54200715

I would go CLPL, with one or more Plasma Cannons for anti-infantry/BA/vee work.

>>54200715
CLPL, because you know those second line scrubs need all the help they can get to hit things.

Or so the Clan thinking would go. That and the Vixen, Peregrine, Vapor Eagle, and Hellhound all seem to have large pulse lasers as primary weapons

What do you guys think about the upcoming PC game?

Will you guys hang out in MP?

>>54201072
I think it's aPC game, and as such, unfit for the thread.

Also a long shot from battletech itself, quality-wise.

>>54201158
>I think it's aPC game, and as such, unfit for the thread.
Mentioning it is not a problem. People talk about the other battletech games all the time too.
>Also a long shot from battletech itself, quality-wise.
That's complete bullshit, the game is just starting closed beta. There is no way to know that and you are just talking out of your ass.

>>54201215
The ruleset manual came out with KS, they're adding mechanics that fit the turn-based action that the game is supposed to have, excluding cover mechanics.

He's confused because the game is supposed to be 100% realistic model.

>>54200745
>>54200795
That's what I was thinking, with a pair of SPLs for anti-infantry work

>>54201072
Might be cool, if it follows HBS's other work, it will be a solid, if linear game, and the other games will drastically increase in options and storytelling quality.

>>54201072
I'm cautiously optimistic. I wish they just made cool graphics for MegaMek, to be honest.

>>54201215
>That's complete bullshit, the game is just starting closed beta. There is no way to know that and you are just talking out of your ass.

At this point you already know that if you get that angry over it, you're probably on thin ice.

And no, the game does not represent battletech. It's a low budget, low ambition video game. Second-hand selling the name of the original in hopes of a quick buck.

>>54201267
>He's confused because the game is supposed to be 100% realistic model.

I don't think they ever claimed that.

>>54201711
>It's a low budget, low ambition video game.

What would be required for it to be not low ambition?

>>54201711
>At this point you already know that if you get that angry over it, you're probably on thin ice.
nah I just get annoyed with people spouting uninformed opinions about things they clearly know nothing about. Cause to make an assessment like that you would need to have played the game first.
And even then, beta just means feature complete.
Nothing else.

People are fucking ignorant when it comes to software development and game development in particular, but feel entitled to an opinion regardless.

>>54201758
Open world survival elements, first person perspectives, being able to get out of your 'mech and walk around the planets and dropships.

You know, the usual Steam Early Access/Star Citizen talking points.

>>54201788
>Paying for shit
>Somehow not entitled to an opinion.

Sorry mate, once something is being sold it opens itself up to criticism from the customer.

>>54201788
You're just angry your favourite game failed to impress me. Don't take it out on me. It's a personal problem of yours, not the thread's. The game's just not battletech-worthy.

>>54201758
Vision of something new. For example, a director capable of bringing a closer understanding of drama to the development. The game is trapped in the basic tropes of TBS games at this point by what appears to be the notion of building towards a caricature of what a TBS should like, rather than building a battletech game that looks and feels like battletech.

>>54201848
According to your logic you can write a review about a book that you just bought on amazon before it even arrives at your house, just because you paid for it.

Which is retarded.

>>54202355
>your favourite game
My whole point is that nobody has played the game yet, you fucking idiot. How could it possibly be my favorite?

>>54202355
>The game's just not battletech-worthy.

It's funny, I'm not that anon but to be Battletech-worthy in my dictionary means being as horrible as one can be.

And I'd be more than happy for a game that is as fucking unworthy of that moniker as humanly possible.

>>54202384
You can.

And people frequently do, especially if it never arrives, or doesn't arrive when it's supposed to. Almost like it's still valid, isn't it?

>>54202418
Then you are criticizing the service via amazon or the postal service, still not the authors work.

It's clear that you are either trolling or intentionally obtuse, because I doubt anybody could be that dumb.

>>54201828
>pointless shit that has nothing to do with gameplay but makes it more like fps would impress me
checks out, you seem retarded

>>54202485
Considering you buy through amazon, you are still a customer of theirs and the criticism is still valid.

Not all criticism is useful or valid, I agree to that much. But to say that people don't have the right to criticize what they're paying for is the height of retardation.

>>54202355

>rather than building a battletech game that looks and feels like battletech.

It looks a lot like playing the TT game. Not exactly but that's what Megamek is for.

Notice no one talks shit about the wolves like other factions you cucks

>>54202355
>For example, a director capable of bringing a closer understanding of drama to the development.

Are you sure you don't want a movie, not a video game?

>>54202705
>But to say that people don't have the right to criticize what they're paying for
how do you get to this from this
>>54201158
>quality
The whole point was about the discussion of the quality of any one product.
You are talking about service which has nothing at all to do with that.
And paying for something does not void the distinction between the two either.

Jesus.

Video game fags really are the worst. All this BAAAAAAWWW unrelated to the thread, launched at the drop of a hat.

Where does this surrogacy of emotional distress for rejection come from? And most importantly, why does all this personal drama come here, in this thread, of all the possible unrelated places?

>>54202957
Giant fightan' robots.

They were suckled too long at the teats of their mothers.

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>>54202957
>>54203087
Because we can't have nice things.

>>54202957
Your the worst fag, fag

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>>54202957
This is /btg/. Getting irrationally upset over stupid shit is to be expected given the series in question and the type of people that flock towards it, tabletop or vidya.

>>54203284
Please remove yourself from the premises and to the containment thread here: >>>181708894.

>>54203259
Damn I love Alex's bushwacker and cauldron-born. I wish there was a way for me to get my hands on a version of his bushwacker, but warhansa only had his ebon Jaguar.

Would it be unbalancing if superheavy mechs were available before the DA, even as far back as 3025?

>>54203766
Not really. You'd just have trouble kitting them out and transporting them.

>>54203766
Sure, why not. Just include like 1 superheavy per 999 habitable planets or something.

>>54199907
First minute triggered my tinnitus

>>54203755
Not sure if trolling....

>>54203853
Wait does warhansa have the bushwacker? I was looking last night and didn't see it.

>>54203766
not at all.
hell, a lot of 3025 superheavies wouldn't be noticeably better than regular assaults

>>54201158
Well as someone who's in the Beta, the Gameplay feels a hell of a lot like tabletop.
>>54201828
Piranha Games has the license for Mechwrrior like games. HBS's license only covers turn based games, the developer has specificly said Microsoft is holding onto the license for RTS like games, so they could not make a Mechcommander 3.

>>54203949
Not that I'm aware of, but I meant fact someone likes the resclupt.
>>54204175
Glad to hear, I just refuse to pay for a beta, to each their own though. I want to support a product and hope this is good but I rather pay and wait then beta release.

>>54204175
>Well as someone who's in the Beta, the Gameplay feels a hell of a lot like tabletop.

Well I don't like the game, so you're wrong.

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>>54200309
How's this?

>>54204677
"Vindicator Improved-Function AirMech"

>>54204289
Eh to each his own. Personally I enjoy the weightier, bulkier looks Alex and shimmy draw. That said I agree that some mechs need work (like the Javelin)

>>54204727
If it's VIFAM, then it can't have the handsome buckety looks, alas.

new thread
>>54204973

>>54204775
The Javelin will always need work.

>>54202746
Happens all the time.

>>54202746
Because they're the best.

>>54171143
is this game any good?

>>54200715
Twin AC20s

>>54202402
>Battletech-worthy in my dictionary means being as horrible as one can be.
Why are you shit posting in /btg/ then?

>>54205036
Not clan.