SCG Invitational Edition http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec

>opponent has lethal on board
>been buffing removal the whole time to prevent him saving his board to ravager and putting I on a flier
>my only chance is to flip fatal push off my tasigur activation
>Flip both cards to reveal 2 fatal pushes
Got any stories of incredible luck tg? also should I bring in all my ceremonious rejections against affinity if I'm on the draw?

>>54134746
>Back at an scg open
>On Grixis Delver
>Tasigur on board, opponent has me dead on the stack with boros charm, hes at 3
>Snap in hand, no cards in graveyard, tasigur on board
>Activate tasigur in resp
>Thought Scour and Bolt
>Able to snap bolt in resp

God damn I love tasigur so much.

>>54134746
>Opening Hand on the draw: Grove, Karn, Karn, Forest, Forest, Ugin, Star
>Turn 1: Draw Tower
>Turn 2: Draw Power Plant
>Turn 3: Draw Mine

:^)

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>>54134422

>deck pics

The fucking glare on the ultra pro eclipse makes it almost impossible to take a good shot. Anyways there it is

>>54134746
>playing eggs
>last sacrificed egg flips a faith's reward

>>54134962
speaking of tron I'll give the story of my luckiest opponent
>playing martyr proc
>trying out transformation DnT sideboard to beat tron
>game 2 on the play
>have thalia, leonin arbiter, martyr, martyr, plains, plains, GQ
>T1 plains, martyr
>he plays tron piece, map
>T2 plains, leonin, he's on 19
>he plays second tron piece, star, cracks for green, ancient stirrings and finds the last tron piece
>T3 thalia, GQ his land, he's on 16
>he plays tron piece, pass
>play martyr, another martyr I drew, he's on 11
>he forgets about leonin and cracks map, gets nothing
>has tron anyway, but plays nothing
>hit him down to 4, have path for a wurmcoil, still have lethal through a karn
>plays another tron piece, ugin, wipes my whole board
fuck tron

>>54135144
Fuck tron indeed, it fucks half of my decks and the other that can actually fuck with it dies to the meta.

>>54134746
>Playing Grixis Shadow yesterday
>Opponent at 6, about five lands
>Cast Ulamog, rip Tasigur rip land
>Tasigur activation in response
>Bolt in grave, gives me back Temur battle rage
>Attacks with Ulamog, Snap, bolt, chump
>End of turn Snapcaster, show Temur Battle Rage in hand
>gg wp

>>54134964
Your deck is too spooky for me senpai

>>54134964
All of my sleeves are greasy af, I am too ashamed to take any pics at all.

>>54134422
How does mono white go this deep to come in second at a go then take down the invitational? Am i missing something?

>>54135435

I mainboard thalia

she'll protecc you

>>54135481
Get new sleeves. And wash your damn hands. I also have greasy hands and make time to wash them between rounds.

>>54135585
I'm a very clean human being, I simply can't afford new sleeves, so they naturally get dusty.

Blame the lack of a playmat for the dust.

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Can any Tron players comment on the advantages/disadvantages of switching from a tradition G/x build to the newer Eldrazi variant? I've been on G/B Tron for awhile now and I've had plenty of success with it but I've seen that the Eldrazi variant is putting up a lot more results lately; can anyone a little more in-tune with the meta give me the reasons why?

>>54135694
I have a friend who's on it.
Turn 2/3 thoughtknot into turn 3/4 smasher is really fucking great. Maybe that's why

>>54135694
Because Thoughtknot is a broken card on turn 2 and way too strong on turn 3. Becky is above curve too and requires a lot of resources to die.

The glue that holds everything together is Chalice. Turn 2 Chalice on 1 and Turn 3 chalice on 2 means your opponent can't play Magic anymore.

>>54136015
>Becky
What is this dumb shit

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>>54136041

>>54135694
G/X builds have more inevitability and get tron out faster, but do worse against fast decks like aggro or death shadow. Eldrazi Tron is closer to a midrange deck, not caring as much about assembling tron and caring more about getting decent sized eldrazi out; because of this, it does better against death shadow. Eldrazi Tron also runs chalice of the void because it only plays one card with a CMC of one in the mainboard while G/X tron cares too much about assembling tron to play chalice.

>>54136073
I know what you're talking about. Why the nonsense name?

>>54136110
becky lemme smash

>>54136624
Kys

>>54136717
Do you get mad when people call them "Spaghetti and Meatballs" too?

>>54136893
No because that isn't nearly as stupid as what you're trying to push

Playing Goblin Rabblemaster into an empty board gets me rock hard.

>>54136977
As it should. Push existing makes it a rare occurrence though.

>>54135669
>No playmat

Dude, they're like ten bucks for a plain colored mat. Hell, if you're too jewy you can buy some felt from Wal-Mart and use that.

>>54136624
You need stop breathing like right now.

>>54136015
>chalice shitting on people trying to go to value town with broken1-2 drops
I guess blue players should learn how to play non fag strats or start packing abrupt decays

>>54136015
>Becky
>not just calling it a dumb smasher

>>54137286
>pulled death's shadow in mm17 pack
Fuck, now I have to build it

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>>54136717
>>54137211
I'm not even that guy I just assumed that's what he meant

>>54137305
didn't mean to reply

>>54137305
I have a original zendikar one I traded for when it was a junk rare lmao

>>54135505
The guy who played at the GP cracked under pressure and kept bad hands


Also he ran into Affinity

>tfw wanna play infect, but current meta means meliras and pushes everywhere

>>54137345
>bought a playset zendikar deaths shadows last summer
>price still hasn't gone through the roof

Meanwhile fucking street wraith is at 8$ or something.

Is affinity fun?

>>54137673
Yea very much so

>>54137673
How much do you like calculating combat math?

>>54137725
I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I do love swarms of creatures, though

can someone explain to my scrub ass what makes Jace, Architect of Thought so good?

Every UW control list has 1-2 of him and Gideon of the Trials

>>54137782
He blanks Lingering Souls, draws you cards, and his Ult can often win you the game.

>>54137831
>Ult lets you search your own library

ok I get it now

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>Flinging Death's Shadows

y/n?

>>54138730
No. How bad at magic are you?

>>54138738
Very. But the thought of flinging for 8+ gives me a boner.

>>54138730
What could go wrong?

>>54138756
No, you're genuinely bad at magic.

Use Rite of Consumption you fag. It's what people did years ago, and it's become irrelevant now when DS is better as a 1-drop 5/5.
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/woo-brews-modern-negative-life-combo/

>>54138784
Didn't even know that card existed, thank you for fueling my dreams and my jank.

>>54138784

I can't help but notice that there's a Fling in this deck.

Is there a ultra hyper ultra SANIC fast aggro deck I could build for FNM's?

Meta is infected with Tron's and DSJ decks.

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>>54138837

>>54138925
Infect.
You don't have Probe to stay safe against removal anymore, but you're still fast as fuck.

>>54138925
Yeah. DSJ

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>>54138784
>Deathshadow
>"You gain life equal to the damage dealt this way"
>Deathshadow

>>54138961
You're not beating with DS anon, you're using it as a combined 3-mana 26-point life shift.

>>54138961
Are you new?

If your life total is less than 0 and an effect (such as the one from an opponent’s Abyssal Persecutor) is keeping you from losing the game, Death’s Shadow’s ability will actually increase its power and toughness. For example, if your life total is -2, Death’s Shadow gets +2/+2.

Why do you think the linked deck runs Phyrexian Unlife and Angel's Grace?

>>54138982
3-mana 26 point life shift isn't even the beginning.

>>54138961
>go to negative retarded with your draws
>Whirlwind slam Death Shadow
>Slam dunk Rite on table for [insert ridiculous number here] damage

It's not hard to grasp

>>54138961
>/tg/, bad at magic since literally forever

Yugioh fag here. How balanced is mtg compared to other card games? Are there decks that completely destroy the rest or can you still beat them with something that would be considered non-meta?

>>54138925
Revolt Zoo is as sanic as a creature deck can go while still attacking in the same turn

>>54139249

Basically there's tron and non tron decks

Tron beats everything, everything else loses to tron.

>>54139333
Show me on the doll where Karn touched you.

>>54139249
Balance goes in ebbs and flows.

There's normally a handful of "strongest" decks but for the most part the balance is never so far out of whack it's impossible to play anything else. Right now the best deck objectively is some flavor of Death's Shadow, but it's not an insurmountable deck.

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>>54139249
Right now Modern's got a pretty good amount of diversity, but people have all sorts of opinion on this card right here.

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>>54139345

>>54139249
It varies by format.
Modern is reasonably decent right now. DS and Tron don't have many good responses, so they're more popular than they should be right now.

Standard is a shitshow and has been for months.

>>54139400
I don't follow standard but I heard it's been healthy since the most recent bannings. People been lying to me?

>>54139443
My info is old. Fresh data from MTGgoldfish tells me that there are four decks making up 65% of the meta.
That doesn't sound healthy, but it's far healthier than having two decks making up 80% of it.

Is wrench mind a decent replacement for hymn to Tourach in modern?

>>54138784
>sorcery speed
>better than instant speed removal insurance

>>54139603
>playing black
>allowing your opponent to have removal in hand

How bad are you? The link itself covers this detail. You read the link, right? You're not posting while uninformed, right?

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How the fuck do I break this

>>54139503
It's the only replacement, so sure.

>>54139503
It's what 8 Rack uses, but 8 Rack is bad.
Use Whispers of Emrakul with the Delirium trigger if you can manage it.

Be aware that targeted discard matters more in Modern. Seeing hand is huge.

>>54139662
Phyrexian Unlife and cumulative upkeep cards. A lot of decks just straight up can't win against you game 1.

>>54139503
If you have access to red, try Rise / Fall

>>54139662
Bend it really hard back and forth.
You can also use a knife.

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>>54139662

>Working slowly to trade to make a half competent Naya Zoo deck
>Format leaves the deck behind long before I get to finish it

I mean, I guess it's easy enough to turn into Burn, but still, kind of a bummer.

>>54139706
>cumulative upkeep cards
Sheltering Ancient becomes a budget goyf. Huh.

I'm not sure what else works with this. Most Coldsnap cards get stronger with more Age counters on them.

>>54137345
>mfw I was shit brewing immolating souleater/shadow +fling back in zendicar/phyrexian
>mfw now I'm shitting with grixis shadow

>>54139646
>waiting to have discard before comboing
>in a meta as fast as modern
>not being able to play death shadow with protection instead
kek

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>>54139662
Pretty much anything with Persist or Undying. Most Cumulative Upkeep cards. Delaying Shield. Bunch of other stuff I'm sure.

>>54139679
>>54139692
>>54139709
I was thinking about buying this deck and if I swap out hymn I could use it for modern

I haven't played in a few years though so I'm not sure how well it works

>>54139768
Read the conversation chain back. It's already been made clear that the old DS combo is wholly inferior to DS as a 1-drop 5/5 beater.

Try to make more informed posts anon.

>>54139662
Dark Depths.

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>>54138784
see >>54138837

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>>54139830
Forgot image

>>54139662
Decree of Silence

>>54139479
Newfag here, when was the last time Standard wasn't broken? I picked the game back up just after Eldritch Moon came out and I don't think there was a decent Metagame ever since

>>54139962
INN-RTR was the last good standard environment. RTR-THS wasn't broken, but it was definitely dominated by B Devotion, UW Control, and U Devotion.

>>54139962
You sweet summer child.
Remember when Standard decks were dark temur jeskai with 4 Jaces and full fetchland mana bases along with Collected Company? It cost more than most Modern to be meta.

>>54134422
Why is Death's Shadow deck so much played? It is a midrange strategy, can't be that no one has a better idea.

>>54139990

SOM-INN was objectively better

>>54140086
It's a bit complicated. It's not hard to beat Death's Shadow, but the problem is that most decks capable of flooring it, have really bad Tron Matchups.

>>54140086
You wanna know the real reason that Grixis Death's Shadow is trashing Modern? Well for a start it isn't because of Death's Shadow. Just straight up. The main culprits of the deck are 1) the delve mechanic, 2) Snapcaster Mage, and 3) Kolaghan's Command. Command Snap Command getting back a Snap will break most decks in half. And while you've got all of this horseshit value being flung around like shit in a monkey enclosure you've got a 5/5 for B and a 4/5 for B WITH A FUCKING UPSIDE raining down. Oh and lets not forget the Negate for U.

Fuck Death's Shadow itself, it's only 4 copies in your deck. The rest of the deck is raw format face fucking value.

>>54140194
So Tron is defacto the best deck now? Boy do I miss Splinter Twin now.

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>>54140231
Don't forget the unsung (anti)hero of the modern format.

This card is pure gas.

>>54139007
Good bait mate

>>54140086
because grixis is one of the timmy favorite color combination.
by the way I'm so happy to see this deck struggle before mono-W taxes. see greedy netdeckers being punished for the cut of lightning bolt is pure karma.

>>54139503

No but that red black fuse card is okay

>>54134422
Im curious, What are some stereotypes that certain colors/decks have?

>>54140486

>grixis is one of the timmy favorite color combination

Now I've heard it all. Pure, unbridled stupidity. I love /tg/.

>>54140863
t. immy

>>54140893
>>54140863
Sorry but whats a timmy?

>>54140893

I'm a Timmy and I can assure you that's not a Timmy deck. The polar opposite, actually.

>>54140927
from urban dictionary:
timmy
>Term used by older gamers to describe immature or younger gamers. Usually this is in reference to their attitude during gameplay or in lobbies...

>>54141049
oh so its like someone calling someone else a cunt?

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>>54140927
>>54141063
>>54141049
Also from urbandictionary and just as relevant:
Timmy
>So sexy and hot you want to do him on sight

Just google 'mtg timmy' and you'll find a real answer.

>>54141047
I was talking about color combonation, not specifically the deck.
grixis DS deck is so popular because is probably the only tempo-sort of in modern and because is UBR is one of the most appealing color combination and, as far as I experienced, the tryhard edgelord combination.

>>54141176
>tryhard edgelord
that's Spike, did you just use the word 'Timmy' without any idea what it means? Of course you did, you are talking out of your ass after all.

If anything DS is a Spike's deck and same goes for Grixis (Cruel control is Timmy-ish, Grixis Goryo is Johny-ish, everything else is Spike - nothing but value and avenues for eking a victory one edge at a time).

>>54141376
>he doesn't main spiderman in mahvel
morrigan players, everyone

What's the stereotypical "gamer gurl" deck in Modern, if any? Elves?

>>54141448
Merfolk

>>54141460
>>54141448
Soul Sisters

>>54138954
Not him, but should I build it BUG or just UG or BG?

>>54141448
Merfolk, Elves, Soul Sisters. It's more about the name than the deck itself. Grills are superficial like that.

>>54137673
The only fun thing about affinity is the first two turns where you vomit you hand onto the board and going all in on ravager

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>>54139990
>disliking Theros-Khans
Jeskai Tokens was the most fun deck to play in standard in the last half decade. I will fight someone over this.

>>54142723
Hahah I'm going to make gagging noises for the first two turns now.

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>>54141063
kinda. i think spike is more of a cunt.

>timmy
timmy likes to play big fat creatures. simple mechanics and big combat turns are his thing.

>johnny
johnny likes to combo. complicated or convoluted paths to victory involving mechanics and abilities from several different cards working in unison or rapid succession to 'go infinite' or otherwise win the game in a single rube goldberg turn are his thing.

>spike
spike is a tourneyfag. he needs to win and will play any deck and shoot every angle he can to do so.

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>haven't played in months
>go up against a Vizier of Remedies combo deck at my local FNM
>side OUT my Scavaging Oozes in favor of Mass Removal
>against a deck that combos around Kitchen Finks
>mf after the game

>>54143199
Spikes just play to win. I don't think there's anything bad about that on it's own.

>>54143124
>not atarka red
We can take this outside anon

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So I want to buy into naya zoo since I want another deck and I'm already on burn so I don't have to spend too much money.
How's this deck look? Just the first result off Google. Any zoo players care to weigh in?

>>54143455
>playing a creature based deck with no Fatal Push, no card draw, and no Thoughtseize

>>54143232
you and i must interact with some very different spikes, because the ones i interact with at comp rel and above are at the actual bottom of the grinder trench with 4-0 FNM skillz and Ari Lax attitude. fuck those people.

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>>54143349
>>54143124
>not abzan rally

BOTH OF YOU.
IN MY OFFICE.
NOW.

Ban Thoughtseize.
Ban Tron Lands.

>>54143349
>>54143564
I feel for you guys that you'll never know the feeling of Convoke Stoke the Flames -> untap your dudes -> Convoke Stoke the Flames again -> untap your dudes -> Treasure Cruise for U -> swing for lethal.

>>54143599
why though?

>>54143599
Storm tier 0
Ad nauseam tier 1

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>>54143720
>not jeskai ascendancy
>expedite
>slip through space
>elemental uprising
>rattleclaw mystic
>dig through time
>treasure cruise
>several minutes and fifty drawn cards later on the 3rd/4th turn attack you for 200 with unblockable lands
>dot dec

>>54143218
>kitchen finks
i mean it really doesn't though. rather keep them in to eat shit that e.wit was going to get back, because 9001% of my losses to that deck are them witnessing back a mcguffin the turn before i swing lethal.

>>54143854
Guess thoughtseize is that important huh

>>54143854
Good thing we have duress

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>>54143906
>>54144102
>>54144252

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>>54145173
i can confirm that there are at LEAST two people namefagging as d&t guy itt

>>54145381
>>54144252
>>54144102
>>54143906
Can you guys stop using my name please?

>>54145607
everyone can be d&t guy. it's why i didn't tripcode, because it's an archetype not an identity.

this is now a death & taxes guy thread

k

>>54145815
>>54145712
>>54145633
>>54145607
>>54145381
>>54144252
>>54144102
>>54143906
I'm serious guys, I just got done talking with an admin and he says he's going to ban all of you if you don't stop. I'm not asking nicely again...

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>>54145873

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>>54134964

>>54134422
>Want to play Modern/Legacy
>Legacy is too expensive but fun
>Modern is cheaper but still pretty expensive and there's not really any good deck that appeals to me.

>>54145873
disregard that I suck cocks

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>>54145873

WB tokens with Teysa + Painters Servant + Blasting Station combo?

>>54146538
Or just Blood Artist and Cartel Aristocrat if Blasting Station doesnt fit well enough

>>54139662
How does this play out with craters with suspend. Does the creature stay exiled since you can not remove the last time counter or does the creature get to be cast on you next upkeep since no suspend counters?

>>54146725
suspended cards aren't creatures

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fuck tron
fuck ds
jund for life

>>54146241
Play Ponza. On the sly it's a powerful deck, people just think its gimmicky.

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>>54140840

>>54147514
It folds to discard control // UWx control and the famed GDS, besides those match ups, it's a pretty good deck.

>tfw Death's Shadow is a 3/3 for 1 at max.
>tfw Death's Shadow is used to fill the grave for B.

>>54138784
Isn't that just the unreliable and basically bad version of ad nauseam? If the oppenent has a single counter you just lose the game

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-vile-cycle/

Is my standard deck cute enough for you modern boys. I even have my own standard version of death shadow.

I'm thinking of getting into modern with b/w tokens since I have a fair few of the cards.

How well does it hold up in the format?

I REALLY hope they don't ban DS. Sure the deck is strong but it mostly shits on uninteractive decks and finally control decks are coming out of the woodworks. GDS modern is the most balanced it's been in forever but we're probably not allowed to have a """""""best deck"""""" especially with lsv supporting the ban

>>54149467
If they ban Death's shadow eldrazitron will rape the format far harder. They need to unban some shit, the threat level of the format has been raised and there's no reason cards like SFM or BBE should be on the list anymore.

>>54149453
B/W tokens has a favorable match up against the top deck, grixis shadow, just don't overextend into a board wipe game 2 and 3 and you'll do fine. Being in black white you can shift around removal, discard, some sideboard lifegain, artifact and graveyard hate to beat most decks as well, just not all at once.

>>54149489
I don't get why everyone is complaining about eldrazi Tron. In the maybe one or two times I have encountered the deck, I shitstomped it hard.
Death's shadow is infinitely more annoying to play against

>>54149509
Thanks for the info. Do you know how it fairs against tron?

>>54149510
>scissors is overpowered. rock is fine
>t. paper

What do you guys do with bulk? I'm a fairly new player and have already collected useless bulk trough drafting and cracking a few random packs.
It's kinda sad, is there anything to do with that stuff besides throwing it away?

>>54149717
Donate it somewhere, kids love play card games with shit cards

>>54149717
Two years ago I gave all my bulk cards to a friend's little sister, she was ecstatic. Nowadays I don't even keep the bulk from packs, I just leave them on the table

>>54149717

Organize it, save it, store it. Mishra's Bauble was useless bulk back when I was playing Coldsnap events.

>>54145712
Fukken SWEAT

How well does bring to light scapeshft work against eldrazi tron?

>>54150030
Gitaxin probe was draft chaff when i first started. I kept like 50 of them, sold them all before the ban for a pretty penny.

>>54149717
Seconding donating them. Don't throw them out because they're not useless cardboard. Sort out anything that has the potential to be played in a format, throw the rest in a box and give it away.

Alternatively make a chaff cube.

>>54151702
That's actually a pretty good idea. Im currently going through my bulk go the second time. The first time I have it all to one of my commander buddies. Once I sort, I think I'll give it to him again, then we can sit down and make a chaff cube. I think it's gonna be fun.

>>54149594
>Do you know how it fairs against tron?
Like most fair decks slower than turn 4, very poorly.

>>54149510
>In the maybe one or two times I have encountered the deck, I shitstomped it hard.
The deck can fold it itself sometimes, but Chalice on 1 backed up by an efficient beatdown machine that can also go over the top with Karn, All is Dust, and Seagate Wreckage is really strong.

>>54149453
lingering souls is pretty good right now if your meta is shadow and d&t.

>>54139739
Naya zoo has been shit for years dude

Fuck tronf

>>54143455
Why would you want to play a tier 3 deck when you're already playing a tier 1 deck?

>>54155965
underrated shitpost

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>>54156062
Do it for the memes anon. Its the same reason I play this abortion. That and because I miss RTR standard.

>>54149622
This

>>54156277
why not just play Abzan Blink/Ghostway instead

>>54156277
Where are your Preordains?

>>54156384
Blink doesn't synergize with the self mill. The whole point is that I can just mill the shit out of myself and then play my dudes regardless of if they are in the grave or in my hand. That being said I should probably cut something for lingering souls to increase the Deck's survivability.

>>54156515
Pulses or Drown in Filths maybe? You have a buttload of removal already.

>>54150282
Decently, I'd imagine. Ghost Quarter is interaction, Thoughtknot can rip your payoff but in BtL you can just topdeck it easily enough. If you play around Wails and Quarter/Surgical it's decent as well.

But then they'll be on the play and windmill slam a turn 2 Thoughtknot

what happened with Pyromancer Ascension decks? Were they never that good or was something banned?

>>54157030
they depended completely on git probe which got banned because of Infect/Zooicide/Suicide Bloo decks

I'm probably gonna be going to GP Birmingham in a month. Do I take Ponza or a goodstuff Esper brew? I'm more confident in the strength of Ponza.

>>54157205
ponza will probably be better but I'm curious what your esper goodstuff list is

>>54157231
Pretty much as you'd expect. Snaps, Thoughtseize, Push, Lingering Souls. I'm opting for the Bob route over the Thought Scour delve route. So far it's been eh. Bob's won me games, Bob's done nothing some games. Might try switching Bob for Bitterblossom to blank removal.

>>54157297
everyday I'm sad because I can't play Esper Mentor in modern


fuck you wizards just give me preordain

Junk blink or try to make Infect work?

>>54157610
Junk it the fuck up bruh
Shove your Junk in their face and thrust in and out slowly

>>54157526
Well if you're interested in my list:
>Spells
4 Serum Visions
3 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Path to Exile
2 Fatal Push
4 Rune Snag
4 Dark Confidant
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Esper Charm
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Lingering Souls
1 Supreme Verdict
2 Tasigur the Golden Fang
>Land
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Godless Shrine
2 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Vault of the Archangel
3 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Glacial Fortress
>Sideboard
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Rest in Peace
1 Dispel
1 Spell Snare
3 Spell Queller
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
3 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Runed Halo
1 Ceremonious Rejection
2 Meddling Mage

>>54157716
>4 dark confidant

Seems a bit risky doesn't it? The rest of the list looks pretty cool tho, I will give esper a try once the deaths shadow meta is gone. so probably never. ;_;

>>54159170
im slowly getting into modern so can i get a refresher on what makes Grixis deaths shadow tick?

>>54159297
Imagine your decks was purely one mana discard spells, kill spells, counterspells, cantrips and nacatls, except instead your nacatls are fuckin huge

>>54159297
They take the best cards out of your hand, drop their own life, then beat you to death with deathshadow.

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>>54159297
Serum Visions, thought scour, efficient removal, hand disruption, early game force spike & late game 1 mana negate, 1 mana 10/10s, 1 mana 5/5s, 1 mana 4/5 with upside

>>54159297
the downsides put on cards like "lose x life" or "put x cards into your graveyard" are upsides

>>54159524
>>54159511
>>54159507
So it fucks your hand over, removes your shit then rams a ten foot dildo up your ass in the form of deaths shadow?

Hope that can be fixed with a ban or two, probably cant tho

>>54159571
Ban thoightseize.

>>54159524
don't forget the 56 card (52 if you're on jund) and turning Serums into Preordains.

the deck also runs some spells that cost more than 1 mana like terminate, snapcaster mages and kcommands. don't forget the lilly!

deck is fuckin perfect and with claim/fame (probably replacing sleight of hand which imo sux) it'll be even better

>>54159640
>tfw preordered two claim//fame for testing

I'm hoping it's going to be the next fatal push, but all things considered it will probably be the card to get this deck banned. Getting back a deaths shadow and giving it +2/+0 and haste until end of turn/just getting back a deaths shadow and having the option to give anything +2/+0 and haste later sounds damn sweet.

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>>54159579
>tfw this meme

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>>54159689
welp, looks like i'm only dusting off my magic cards for the yearly legacy gp. we had a good run, but i'm out. bizzarro snapcastering a death's shadow with haste is where i get off this ride.

anyone wanna buy $7,500 worth of modern staples (scg buylist pricing) before i ship?

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>>54159689
1 mana snapcaster targetting claim on shadow is real, hitting it off scour is gravy.

I think BBD has the tightest list.
to make room for 2 claim, it's tough what to say to cut. serum seems like the least broken thing the deck is doing, but at the same time it's so good for your card quality.

in my jank mind, my optimal shadow list would be -2 push +2 bolt -1 terminate +1 dismember -2 serum +2 claim

>>54159966
I'm building that list only liliana is in the sideboard and I'm running 3 push and 2 lightning bolts.

Probably going to move the bolts to the sideboard for claim//fame.

>>54160008
fair enough, thats a decent trim to start imho. what about move bolts for claims and go 2 push 1 dismember? that card is nuts right now with banaman and fish running amuck, and drazi too.

i still wanna try less serums, why scry when every card is op?

>>54160067
Dismember as a one-off sounds like an option actually. Kills enemy anglers while making shadow bigger.

The thing with serum vision is it fills your graveyard and allows you to play a 56 card deck. Same with street wraith really. Scry can also help you decide if you want to thought scour yourself or wait a turn.

>>54159850
>I have no argument so I'll post a meme
Nice to see this is what thoughtseize apologists are like.

>>54160098
I would still keep 2 of em because they make the magic happen, but when facing them i always clench my butthole when they turn1 fetch shock and cast anything but serum. A turn 1 serum is fair (even serum+wraith)

>>54160098
Serum visions does not make your deck 56 cards. It is not free

>>54160098
>56 card deck
What the fuck are you on about?

>>54160143
2bh I think thoughtseize is the most problematic thing at the moment, but I feel like the fact it has existed since modern's conception without being a problem means for some reason the metagame has warped and twisted into some ugly contorted mess where thoughtseize is simply the best card you can play, and it's not actually thoughtseize's thought. I feel like more bans are going to just create an environment where a different card becomes the boogey man.

I would rather see them try to tip the metagame in a different direction with unbans rather than more bans. We've reached a point where genuinely bad things have mostly been removed and certain cards have slipped into the power vacuum as a response and we keep playing whackamole with bans rather than just trying to stabilize the format

But I'm kind of a fucking idiot so my ideas are usually fucking garbage.

>>54160143
I don't even play thoughtseize, but having it around helps keep tron and strom in check which are both 100% the bad guy in modern.

>>54161121
thoughtsieze is the best interactive spell in the game, bar none.

>>54156062
Because I want another deck anon

>>54161272
and for, like, 6 years it didn't really bother anybody. and it's not exactly a dominating force in legacy either.

>>54161449
Modern is not legacy. Legacy is not modern. Stop making this asinine comparison.

>>54161463
you can't make me

>>54161130
tron should be banned

>>54161449
I mean it's in about a third of all decks in legacy. That just doesn't mean much because there's several cards in over half of all legacy decks.

How to fix Modern, not that its that bad right now but if something is to be banned this is it.

Deaths Shadow is banned.
Eldrazi Temple is banned

Kills off Deaths Shadow and Eldrazi Tron which are the problem decks of the format. Trons huge weakness is losing to fast aggro which Eldrazi Tron mitigates by having access to early Thought Knot Seers, Chalice, Basilisk Collar. If Eldrazi Temple is banned you are forced to play traditional Tron which is overall much worse then the Eldrazi variant. There format fixed forever. Tron exists still so people arent butthurt, and former Shadow decks would switch back to Delirium or Delve midrange strats.

>>54161483
Eldrazi Temple is the actual offender.

>>54161522
>Tron exists still so people arent butthurt
Yeah, no one has ever been butthurt over tron right?

>>54161483
Unironically this. A deck that promotes decks that go faster than it while pushing out anything interactive is not healthy for any metagame.

>>54161549
I meant people who play Eldrazi Tron. Face it the Urza lands are never going to be banned as much as we want them to. So just ban the Temple. Its a Sol Land, its inherently unfair. Then Tron resumes its place in the format, getting crushed by fast aggro, playing the deck is a trade off, you trade the ability to beat aggro for a near unlosable midrange matchup, but the Eldrazi variant doesnt and has game against aggro and midrange.

>>54134422
Merfolk got first and third in two tournaments and fucking modern humans gets bumped to tier 2? Fuck that

>>54161665
humans are seeing a lot of play on MTGO

>>54161522

And then what? We wait another six months, then ban out the next top 2 decks?

I hope that anybody who supports this childish mentality will eventually realize they're tumors to this game.

>>54161665
Buy your Lieutenants and Champions now goy, they're only going up from here on out.

>>54162047
Tron is legitimately a problem child and always has been, WotC has given it a pass since they dont actively research Modern a ton and Tron itself has never been the number one deck. Tron is the tumor, it forces the meta into playing fast decks to beat it, and the Eldrazi one is even worse since it takes a normally terrible aggro matchup and makes it more winnable whilst also absolutely crushing all Midrange decks.

>>54150282
This is the first deck I built in modern I refuse to play it in this meta because of remand being shit vs all the 1 mana stuff ppl r doing. Having said that e tron doesn't do any of that so u should be clear to combo them with ease

>>54162081
Forcing fast decks keeps control out of the format. Modern being fast is fine.

>asking Wizards to help
why
Ixalan is going to be going to T10 every game.

>>54162047
>>54161522
So sol lands are bad when only a certain deck can use them. The fact that fast eldrazi exist makes eldrazi temple a bad card. There's only one real aggro deck that can race it right now and that's death shadow. This warps the meta really hard into aggro, and not just aggro, but 2 decks. Both of the current t1 aggro decks do relatively well against combo because of how fast they are, and blow control out because of how fast they are. I agree with his premise, that something needs to be done, but banning shadow isnt the answer(i dont know if temple is either, but that is at least reasonable to think about). What we need right now is a good combo deck to even out the meta, something like twin, possibly twin(like that would ever happen). We need a deck that can 60/40 the super aggressive decks, but still falters a little to interaction. I don't believe counters is this deck, it's incredibly fragile to fatal push of which DS tends to play 3-4 of, storm is the same way. Valakut is potentially the hero we need, but it doesnt seem to actually perform fast enough so idk. Right now modern is actually pretty messed up and the fix isnt that easy, the good news is, I believe it's very healthy besides the aggro shift, so it can be fixed with 1-2 tools.

>>54162076
neither of those cards are hard to come by, and champion is in a duel deck so he wont likely go that high

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4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Collective Brutality

4 Dismember
4 Liliana of the Veil

4 Eternal Scourge
2 Wasteland Strangler
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Reality Smasher
2 Blight Herder
1 Endbringer
1 Distended Mindbender

4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Sea Gate Wreckage
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Wastes
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
9 Swamp
1 Tomb of Urami
4 Ifnir Deadlands

is it too many dismembers? r8/h8

>>54162238
>So sol lands are bad when only a certain deck can use them.
It's not like anyone wants t1 ancient tomb, chalice on 1 to be a thing in modern either

>>54162238
I believe the most harmful things come from free stuff you can't properly answer to, Street Wraith straight up fuels shadow/tasigur/gurmag and gives a draw, there's no card that can directly counter that sort of ability and not be a wasteful exchange besides suppression field.
The never failing package of 4 Shadows, 8 discards, tasigur and angler going by a single B mana breaks things for a lot of decks.

I'm not totally sure but shadow, wraith or something else from that deck is probably going down on august's B&R, (here's hoping the temple gets banned too).

>>54162314
GDS runs 6 discard spells main

What are the odds of making your money back/a profit from each set booster,

that is, which booster type has the best chance of drawing a valuable card?

>>54162314
That's the main problem I have with eldrazi, Death's shadow and a lesser extent affinity and burn. They are doing very powerful things at a fraction of the cost(one mana) other decks do. Feels like they're playing legacy while everyone else is laying block constructed.

>>54162599
Of sets in standard, probably Kaladesh.

Also, the phrase you're looking for is "Expected value"- in case you want to find the site that has them all calculated and laid out.

>>54162599
Considering that the number of each individual rare/etc. printed varies?

Impossible to say the actual odds. Regardless, cracking packs is the wrong way to make money off magic. Magic honestly isn't a good platform for anything small-scale (i.e., what you're capable of).
At best, you can buy hundreds of seal products and sit on them for years and wait for the supply to dry up, then sell them off with a 10% margin.
You're not going to get to the level of active, daily profit like Card Kingdom or similar, who have so much raw merchandise to churn and churn that they can thrive with the pennies being spit off.

If you want to make money, do something else. Magic only realistically works as something you can sink money into, then return money out of. Same as buying books. A good-quality book from 10 years ago and from today will both sell for $10. They don't lose value much at all.

>>54161483
This

I don't even think Tron is particularly overpowered. However, the lack of land interaction in modern just makes it a chore to play against.

It's just too polarizing in the meta to me. All of it's match ups are 90-10 one way or another. Against good aggro or combo? Tron barely has a chance. Against fair or control decks? Tron wins fairly easy.

Just ban a tron piece and go home

>>54156931
>>54162115

Gotchu senpaitachi


One last question

Pithing to endbringer or ballista?

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i hear people are playing legacy in modern

>>54162854
I want to invite this deck for dinner and go steady with it in a nice house.

>>54160143
Offers no argument but expect others to make one. instead of memeing him. Anti-thoughtseize retards are retarded as expected.

>>54163112
Not an argument. Enjoy the ban sweetie

>>54163130
>sweetie
wow sick burn there

>>54159571
>I'll pay 1 mana to destroy your hand
>Then 1 mana to counter your spell
>Then 1 mana for a 7/7
>Then I'll Kommand Snap Kommand and like 3 for 1 you or some stupid shit
Honestly the deck is just too much at this point. It's a perfect storm of bullshit all working together like a well oiled machine.

>>54162646
Just looked that up. The value of the most recent sets has really gone down the drain. Feels like wizards only truly care about limited, as it's the only thing that actually makes them money from the product.

>>54163435
>wizards only truly care about limited
Do they balls. The sheer fact that they're concentrating power at rare and mythic makes it clear that they simply want to create chase cards for people to crack packs for. If they wanted to balance limited they'd be putting more power at common and uncommon, but I assure you, the common and uncommon slots are filled with complete trash.

>>54162854
>no red gearhulk

>>54163509
>mills two chalice and a mountain
T-thanks Gearhulk

>>54160394
>>54160855
It was 4am in the morning and I was half asleep sorry.

>>54162304
I do. If your deck loses to chalice on one, you deserve it fucking 1cmc whore.

>>54162854
Have you ever T1 Chalice with Spirit guides?

Sounds like sex.

>>54164656
I play against free win red almost every friday. It's funny, I play btl scapeshift but have never lost against that deck even when they get turn 1 bm.

>>54164608
>Meanwhile the best deck in the format gets to cast their 1CMC 5/5s and 4/5s with upsides through a Chalice

>>54164727
>best deck in the format
>couldn't even get top 8 at Vegas despite being one of if not the most played deck

>>54164750
Meme arrow back at me all you want, you won't convince me that a 1 mana 5/5, 1 mana Negate, 1 mana hand disruption with an upside, and Kommand Snap Kommand can ever be the best deck in the format. Angler is literally one of the best creatures in Legacy right now and is easily the best mono B creature ever printed.

>>54164815
can ever NOT be

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How do we bring Tezzerator back to life /mtg/

>>54164815
Mentor is one of the best creature in Vintage are modern mentor decks broken?

>>54165147
All this talk of mentor has got me thinking. Now bolt is out the format can we run mentor in esper colours? Making chump blockers against DS is so good.

Add some lingering souls. A zealous persecution or two. I don't know. I just really like mentor as a card and would love it if he were remotely viable.

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>>54165280
>Now bolt is out the format
Burn is still teir 1
I exist goddamnit

>>54165895
dumb frogposter

>>54165280
Besides burn, Jeskai Control variants and Grixis Delver still use bolt as a finisher and removal.

>the card that ends up getting banned from GDS is thoughtscour

>>54166157
Every single card from that deck works so well together that when you look at all of them together, the whole thing seems unreasonable.

>>54134422
>You have been tasked to try to kill off GDS,

How would you go about doing it?

>>54166957
Ban every card in the deck

>>54166957

Banning Death's Shadow itself is the only way to kill/hurt the deck that doesn't hurt other decks too.

>>54166957
Unban sfm

>>54167077
UNBAN SFM (and some other shit)

I am a man of simple pleasures, and right now I really feel like beating face with angel tokens. How does one best do that in this format?

>>54167124
W or WG enchantress

>>54167077
Print Swords the Plowshares in standard.

>>54167193

Not even WoTC are that retarded

>>54166957
Unban Splinter Twin and Bloodbraid Elf

>>54166957
Ban every card in modern

>>54167229
wouldnt bbe make jund broke or somthing?

>>54167229

>Bloodbraid Elf

kys you'reselv my man

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I wonder why Threads doesn't see more play? Seems perfect for DS

>>54167313
>3 cost kill a 1 cost creature
why would you do this?

>>54167313

>Seems perfect for DS

How?

If you're not playing DS yourself then you're not playing any of the self-burn that fuels it so threads will just end up being 3 mana sorcery speed removal.

>>54160855
hes stupid. thats what bauble does.

>>54162641
>burn
I'd buy that argument even for affinity as something worth thinking towards but shit burn taking people out is just asking 'are you prepared to play magic against other people'

>>54167338
If you are playing DS, obviously it's good.
If you are not, chances are the DS player will have a DS in play when you are at less than 13 life. Because Grixis DS don't combo kill, meaning you get low on life before DS finishes you... so there is a chance to threads it before they kill you with it.

>>54167483
yes, but then you'll have let the DS player untap, get in an attack, and play other cards. They plop down another threat and you spent 3 mana not dealing with that, and you have no blocker. They hold up a 1 mana counter and you lose because you spent most or all of your mana. They could even draw a discard spell on their turn and remove it from your hand.
More than anything else though, this card is garbage against anything but DS. Straight up 1 mana removal spells deal with death shadow easily, and have uses in other match ups. This card is only good in a single match up, and isn't even particularly good there.

>>54167275
BBE doesn't see any play in Legacy. It should be legal in Modern.

>>54167456
I agree on burn, although it can kill you sonic fast by turn 4, it can easily lose to having 4 lands on the top 10 of the deck and life gain destroys it, once I mulled to 4 cards and all I had was 1 finks and 1 thragtusk, I won that game.

>>54165280
It's just too slow. I'd rather try and 1-up DSG with Queller or something.

>>54167329
>Kill
By taking the creature yourself you're 2 for 1'ing your opponent every time.

>>54139013
I think you don't get the joke

>>54167932
But you are probably not playing a deck that goes down to 7 life, so if you take shadow, it just dies.

>>54167808
It can T3 if entirely uninterrupted.

>>54163509
gearhulk is kind of funny when you can flip emrakuls. i wasn't familiar. i'd feel a lot better about it if it could damage creatures and didn't die to kolaghan's command

>>54164656
haven't played this pile yet but i've t1 chaliced plenty of times with turbo moons. the tricky part is when your hand can either slam moon or chalice turn 1 and you don't know what the opponent is playing

>>54165280
esper humans when

>>54168290
I'd always chalice in case of discard. Turn 2 or 3 blood moon can kill a deck just as well if they don't play around it.

>>54162854
this would never work for me.
>slam blood moon
>opponent chains basic lands

>>54163435
its also the only formats with any fun left to be had at competitive rel

>>54165135
I've been destroying locally and online ever since whir was printed

>>54167174
The next question is what build? The actual Modern-legal Enchantresses are shit, so are we talking Eidolon of Blossoms and that's it?

>>54146126
White eclipse? Your deck is gorgeous btw

>>54157610
What's your junk blink list?

>>54162284
it would be too many if you didnt have black sources...maybe go up on collective brutality? your deck is going to get raced hard

>>54157610
>junk blink
... how?

>>54169764
I did -1 Endbringer -2 Eternal Scourge for more 2drops

>>54169704
>>54169777
I'm just browsing through other people's lists atm, but the main core of it seems to be Rhinos, Resto Angels, Finks/EWits/etc. and that Eldritch Moon upgrade on Ghostway.

Here's one of the lists I saw https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-abzan-blink-30481#paper

>>54170211
I think that's the right call. 4 relic 2 scourge is what Eternal Skred uses.

>>54171455
thanks dude.
went up to 2 Collectives, card just glues whacky hands together often.

last two slots I'm uncertain of, trying out two Eldrazi Mimic for old time's sake, as an extra twodrop when you don't draw your ancient tomb, potentially a onedrop, and as an medium way to protect Lilly.

landbase is probably wrong. made room for a gemstone caverns, card is lucksack incarnate.
sideboard also stinks, but so far i have crucible and gq package, 2 surgical, 2 duress, 2 wail, 2 devour flesh and 1 flaying tendrils.

>>54171859
How about Endless One