New DM here. I'm on my fourth session. How do I keep these

>>54121080
Could you elaborate on "constantly meta-planning ooc every little thing"? What exactly are they doing?

Have you tried talking to them about it?

With regards to running, depends on the system. Some systems make running from combat functionally impossible, so make damn sure that they CAN get away at all. Then, instead of "lel u run or i kell u" retardation, give them a really hard encounter that'd be much easier if they disengaged and did X before coming back.

>>54121297

They just constantly spout "if we do A, B, or C, then X, Y, Z, and maybe R or K will happen" Then I hit them with the "is that what yall gonna do" and they just start switching those letters around.

As for some fights, I outnumber them fucking 5 to 1 and they manage to either not die or break the enemy. We had someone introduce PF to us and TPKd everyone at the end while laughing so I'm trying to stay away from a TPK.

Speak to them about the issue. If they keep metagaming you either use it against them or leave the group.

Remind them that escaping is an option. If they can flee but die because they decided to keep fighting, it's their fault.
There is a high chance that they will blame you for dying. And even when you explain to them the situation they might complain about not having enough information, the encounter be unbalanced, and so on.
I personally think it is OK to "teach them a lesson" but don't overdo it.
Give them hints about the danger, make npc's warn them about it, let their enemies give them a chance to flee before any conflict starts, if they still charge head on, and never run or surrender, they deserve it.

>>54121489
Are you really complaining about players who think about the consequences of their actions?

>>54121564

But they plan this stuff quick, out loud, while other players are technically not in the area and I feel it affects their decision making and when I force them to "talk" IC they just feel like it's redundant.

I've been trying to suggest notes and stuff, should I just make that a rule? I need to told that this is a fair rule to push on my players.

>>54121703
>But they plan this stuff quick, out loud, while other players are technically not in the area and I feel it affects their decision making and when I force them to "talk" IC they just feel like it's redundant.
Then have them wait outside while the party is split up. Or pull the player whose character is alone out of the room for a minute.

>>54121703

Also, I'm guessing it's natural for the players to talk about everything like it's show afterwards. Should I just assume that it is their characters talking during "autopilot" times? Sometimes a person would drop in/out or miss a session.

>>54121492

So I just gotta bear their angst and slowly guide them to be better players?

>>54121703
I feel ya. I was a player in this situation, and by Mork, holding myself from metagaming was hard

>>54121782
>Also, I'm guessing it's natural for the players to talk about everything like it's show afterwards. Should I just assume that it is their characters talking during "autopilot" times?
Yes.
If it's becoming a pacing issue (i.e. nothing is getting done due to excessive planning) use an egg timer or similar and say they have until it runs out to tell you what they are actually committing to. If they run the timer out, they are automatically surprised by the encounter.