>Necrons and Old ones go to war >Old ones create races

>>54106333
In the case of the eldar, they didn't, though not many eldar remember this (one craftworld does, I forget which one).

The Old Ones wanted them to be people though and nurtured them, so while they existed and were used in the Old One armies, they were more like a client kingdom on a galactic scale.

But while they were deployed, they were not the main threat to the necrons, the Old Ones were.
Hell, they weren't even 2nd on the necron threat lists, that was their ""allies"" the C'tan.

And after finishing both of them off (as well as they were able, anyway) the 'crons weren't in much of a shape to face off with the eldar empire the Old Ones had nurtured (lets not forget that at their absolute height - admittedly in the post-War in Heaven eons of peace - the top individual eldar were able to manipulate stars on their own)

Orks on the other hand may have been deployed near the end of the war, but they weren't finished (hence the lack of intelligence and civilisation) - in a general sense they're an experiment that never got finished because the scientists got killed.

>>54106333
The Eldar, Orkz and the like were created as warrior races because the Old Ones didn't have the military power to properly fight the Necrontyr, so presumably they were slowly killed off in comparison to the mountains of other bodies, but it was slow and relentless enough to drive them close enough to extinction for the Enslavers and other proto-Warp beings to finish the Old Ones off.

It's not a topic in fluff that's explained in great detail for a reason, presumably back then stuff was being thrown around that even modern 40k would gawk at the scale or sheer brutality of.

Did the old ones fuck with humainty at all?

>>54106519
>Orks on the other hand may have been deployed near the end of the war, but they weren't finished (hence the lack of intelligence and civilisation) - in a general sense they're an experiment that never got finished because the scientists got killed.

Actually, IIRC the reason why the Orks are the way they are is because they killed off their Smart Boyz.

>>54106563
In really old fluff I think it's hinted at (though not as much as the crons fucked with humanity - RIP Pariahs, coolest bit of oldcron fluff, nevar forget), but now I don't think so.

>>54106533
Yeah, the War in Heaven is the most extreme extent and example of "things were bigger and brighter in the past" in 40k, on a scale that's pretty incomprehensible

>>54106608
In some interpretations the Brain Boyz were the Old Ones themselves (or what they turned themselves into), in others they're the "leader caste" that was never finished.

In some tellings the orks killed them off, in others they became grots/snotlings.

It's one of the more open-ended bits of old lore

>>54106519
>>54106533

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense by 40k standards

>>54106654

I feel like even with all the ridiculousness, 40k does one of the best jobs of using the incredible ammount of space that the Milky Way has. No matter how big and crazy the span of time and distance gets, it always remembers that there's still mostly empty space and thousands of years where nothing really noteworthy happened

>>54106608
Don't orks get stronger and smarter the longer they live and the more battles they win?

Basically the greater their reputation the more other orks believe this particular ork is smarter and more powerful. This in turn makes the ork more powerful due to all the orks believing the crazy stories about them.

Waaagh shenanigans basically

>>54108316
>>54106608

Seems like a pretty powerful snowballing weapon
Don't really need to improve on that

This probably isn't perfect but obligatory: https://youtu.be/FyeoBm5QFnA

So were the Necrontyr in the right?

From a certain point of view, yes. The old ones had functional Eternal Youth on tap and chose not to share it. Denying a nation state critical resources is a recognizable reason for going to war.

Of course the Necrontyr were death obsessed cancer ridden shitbirds who should have died off years ago and helped create the C'tan's hunger for life forces.