The ghosts of Jack Chick, Gary Gygax, J.R.R Tolkien, and C.S

So, I assume Jack Chick would be the "that guy" of the group.

>>54102966
Gary will likely run ADnD, you may change the edition or even run a different system if you become GM, however Tolkien wants a fantasy game, Chick will hate anything you play regardless of system or setting, Gary prefers DnD but might be willing to play other systems as long as he feels you will do a good job as GM, Lewis loves fantasy but also has an interest in sci-fi

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>>54102966
So we use Warhammer Fantasy as the setting right?

>>54103449
If you're running the game, if Gary is running the setting is greyhawk

>Gary is DMing unless you can persuade him otherwise

Can I get Chick or Lewis to back me up?

>>54103265
I feel like Jack Chick and Gary Gygax would despise each other out of the game, but Gary would totally be behind Chick rolling this ultra-militant fighting man or cleric and fighting a one man fanatic war on pagans and monsters. So like, if they actually got playing I feel they would both enjoy it and have to pretend they didn't once it was over.

Dark Dungeons alone tells us that Jack Chick has an appreciation for the high drama and personal impact of a high lethality D&D campaign. I think he could get into it. Tolkien and Lewis would be the wizard(s) and/or thief enjoying having these long conversations with priests, the nobility, the common folk etc and Chick would be ravenously proselytizing his weird god and looking for demons to slay.

Serious question: Is Gygax the best DM of the group? I think Tolkien gives him a run for his money if he has time to build a custom world.

>>54103511
Chick will back you up if you can convince him that systems other than DnD aren't satanic, you would have to play something other than DnD though
Lewis knows nothing about but could be convinced if you present a sound argument for why everyone would enjoy your game better

>>54103563
Gygax's rules and advice make him seem like a terrible GM. I'd rather have someone like Frank Mentzer.

>>54103579
>your game

Oh I didn't say mine, Tolkien is still left.

>>54103563
No one other than you and Gygax have experience running a game, you could try to teach Tolkien how to GM, Gygax would probably help you as he would be thrilled to play in a game run by Tolkien

>>54103563
Gygax would be a better DM than Tolkien IMO.

>>54103607
>Gygax would probably help you as he would be thrilled to play in a game run by Tolkien
THIS ISN'T GYGAX'S GHOST AT ALL! I'VE BEEN TRICKED! THESE SPIRITS ARE IMPERSONATORS!

>>54103623
I thought Gygax liked Tolkien?

>>54103629
http://grognardia.blogspot.co.nz/2010/01/gygax-on-tolkien-again.html

>>54102966
I feel we need a fifth person, since in my opinion the ideal is 1 DM and 4-5 PCs.

I nominate Robert E Howard. And if there's room for a fifth person, H.P. Lovecraft.

In fact Howard and Lovecraft should both definitely be in this, because the two are best friends and bro'ing it up the whole time.

I mean, Lewis and Tolkien were friends too, but the difference I think is that Lewis and Tolkien will spend a lot of time on their characters and worldbuilding and philosophizing and getting really into the world...while meanwhile Howard and Lovecraft are cracking open still more beer.

>>54103680
The mysterious forces hear your plea, and the ghosts of Rober E Howard and H.P. Love craft join you at the table

>>54103680
>>54103729
>playing with Gary Gygax, JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis, Jack Chick, HP Lovecraft and Robert E Howard
>not playing with Dave Arneson, MAR Barker, TH White, Charles Chiniquy, CL Moore and Henry Kuttner
lol get fucked u fuckin plebs

>>54103658
I stand corrected, Lewis would support Tolkien as GM, Gary would be more agreeable if he has a larger hand in teaching Tolkien to GM though

>>54103759
I picked these people because I find the idea of everyone arguing over religion interesting

>>54103473
How triggered would he be if I asked to play in Forgotten Realms?

I mean personally speaking I prefer Greyhawk, but I feel like Tolkien and Lewis would prefer FR because they would like High Fantasy better than Swords and Sorcerey.

Maybe of we got Robert E. Howard and Lovecraft in this game then we'd have a real party going.

>>54103759
>Not playing a solo game with Max Stirner
>Not realizing you were the spook all along

>>54103783
Have you ever played an IRL game where everyone was arguing over religion?

>>54103680
Crackin open a boy with the cold ones.

They both play vampires.

>>54103821
If my goal was fun, why is jack chick involved? I am more interested with how everyone interacts and what different people would do in the situation

>>54103819
Don't make Stirner jokes if you can't be bothered to read him. How did this meme even spread outside of /lit/

>>54102966
Gygax runs AD&D or OD&D Greyhawk.
Tolkien plays a fighter.
Chick plays a cleric.
Lewis plays a paladin.

Tolkien gets frustrated that the game is just lethal dungeon crawling and is offended that hobbits and orcs are in the game.

Lewis brings up alignment and gods too often, but enjoys the crazy monsters.

Chick eventually learns to enjoy the game, as long as he gets to destroy undead and heretics.

>>54103899
I assume via /pol/

>>54103810
Tolkien and Lewis probably prefer high fantasy as in epic conflict and good vs evil but last I checked most of there stuff was fairly low magic, I don't think they would like forgotten realms

>>54103899
Most people think it's something to do with fascism and degeneracy now.

>>54102966
>Gary is DMing unless you can persuade him otherwise
good, as long as it isn't Tolkien

god his setting is shit

>>54103609
This. Tolkien could build one Hell of a setting but a game run by him world be too slow.

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>>54103996

>"I say Gary, I'm sure this Iuz fellow you wrote was just ripped directly from my Sauron."

>>54103579
I try to convince Jack Chick to DM a game of Dark Heresy.

>>54104052
Pretty sure Iuz is the offspring of the individual who can literally be abbreviated as BBEG BBC Big Bad Evil Graz'zt's Big Black Cock and is the literal inbred spawn of fucking Nyralathotep fucking a proxy of his own mother to boot, which is why he has the extra digits, and whose birth alongside other horrifying siblings made Psuedonatural creatures possible in the cosmology

>>54103759
>>not playing with literally who, literally who, literally who, literally who, literally who, and literally who

>>54104148
>BBEG
ugh

>>54104199
> ugh
BBEG

>>54104155
Those are all parallels to the first ones though ;^)

>>54104148
>blaming Graz'zt when Iggwilv essentially raped him in the first place

Okay, so having established that I can play with Howard and Lovecraft as well upthread, I get to work.

I'll be DM'ing - Gygax is too damn lethal and arbitrary for me to want to let run the game. And besides, he spent so much time DM'ing in life I'm sure he'd love to play (the original Forever DM)

The game is going to be 5e D&D with Renaissance firearms and technology available, and in a Renaissance/Age of Exploration type world, as I believe that removes everyone from their nominal comfort zones, which is good. I will additionally allow the Death domain cleric and Oathbreaker paladin from the DMG, as well as the subclasses from the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. Core races are the classic seven: Human, Elf, Half-elf, Halfling, Dwarf, Gnome, Half-orc, as well as all subraces of those.

The game will start in not!Spain. The New World has been discovered but is still overwhelmingly unexplored (and a sizable number of people still think it's not!India). Not!Spain has settled some islands but has yet to do any serious exploration of the interior - but there's rumors of mountains of gold, horrifying monsters, rare herbs and spices, pagan natives, etc.

As for class predictions...
- Jack Chick: Fighter (champion) and grumbles the entire time about being forced into this. Starts getting into it when the raw damage output of being a champion starts kicking in.
- Gygax: Wizard (not sure what school), of course. Probably a new iteration of Mordenkainen.
- Tolkien: Cleric (light domain)
- Lewis: Paladin (devotion). Between Tolkien and Lewis there's a lot of world-building about not!Europe done.
- Howard: Rogue (swashbuckler), to everyone's surprise but his own. However with the swashbuckler kit available, he couldn't say no. He plays a piratical sort of character
- Lovecraft: No force on this or any other Earth could prevent him from rolling up a Warlock (Great Old One). He revels in every single stereotype about his own work that he can think of.

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>implying first thing I would do woudln't be asking tolkien to be the GM and the game to be The One Ring
gygax can suck my balls, dungeon crawling is fucking boring and games where combat takes more than 10% of session time are shit.

Also seeing Tolkien arguing with Gygax over concepts of mercy and justice would be amusing I wonder how fast would gary's character acumulate Shadow Points in TOR. I guess very fast.

>>54103517
Tolkien would most likely play a martial character who actually hates war and killing, but there are people to protect so someone must take the burden.

>>54104023
If Tolkien's game would be "slower" than Gary's would entirely depend on wheter you consider time spent on wandering through dungeons and killing shit as progressing the game forward in any way. I personally do not.

>>54104568
>dungeon crawling is fucking boring and games where combat takes more than 10% of session time are shit.
kill yourself my man

>>54103607
>you could teach Tolkien how to GM
Gygax himself said that the secret was that the playgroup didn't need any rules. It's important to have an impartial party as GM. The problem is that Jack Chick and The Gary will duel (and Gary will clobber him) unless each doesn't know who the other is. If you're trusting Gary to be fair after Tomb Of Horrors, then get your head checked, friendo.

>>54104568
Gotta agree that a game that's nothing more than a dungeon crawl is boring; on the other hand, that's as simple to fix as making the dungeon crawl have a point or purpose in the overall story - the Mines of Moria serve as an excellent example in this case.

>>54104328
It's not rape if it's Stockholm syndrome.

>>54105324
She literally summoned and bound him for the express purpose of fucking him. It's rape.

>>54104568
Tolkien would play a LG that drops down to LE over his views of mercy and justice, since D&D has "kinda metaphysical" forces that don't actually mean good or evil.

>>54104077
Lewis, Gary, and Tolkien are opposed to this while Lovecraft is interested in the setting but wary of Jack Chick

>>54104643
I didn't say he was good at it, but since everyone else has no prior experience with TTRPG, anyone other than you or Gary will have to be tought how to run a game

Would you watch this as a stream?

>>54104568
Lewis would make for a more interesting DM if only because his stuff is divorced from traditional Tolkienesque fantasy

>>54105604
I agree that Tolkien would think of LG first, because of the fact that law and chaos have different traditional connotations that gamers use, but I tkink that upon learning how alignment system works in D&D and what exactly those represent he'd go with NG instead. I mean, most of his protags are this alignment.

>>54105021
Except unless you mean some MeRp module or something, not actual book chapters Moria is nothing like dungeon crawl. While describing journey thtough it, Tolkienn doesn't delve into describing every single room or how do they explore tyeir way. He just takes a long skips between points of dramatic interest, only describing the general feel of traveling, and fight only breaks out when it is narratively appropiate to build tension and sense of danger, not just as a filler like in typical dungeon crawl.

>>54104523
I think Tolkien would play either a NE valor bard or a ranger
Howard definitely WOULD play Conan. I mean, not only it is widely accepted that he was his idealized self-insert, but he did also THREE almost identicl characters as well Njord, Kull, Bran
I agree about Gygax, and I think Lovecraft could go two ways - either this, or some investigator type.
IDK about Lewis or Chick though.

>>54102966
>I bring out the old shop vac and B me some Gs
>makes me feel good
>seal them in a consecrated tomb at the bottom of a well
>fill the well in with holy concrete

>>54107966
Lewis would either be a religious class or a bard,
he was both a professor of literature and a casual theologian

>>54102966
I tell the unknown force to only let us play 4e D&D. Humans banned.

>>54107966
Fuck I meant NG of course not NE

>>54107858
What people call "Tolkienesque" fantasy is only actually skin-deep "tolkienesque". Seriously playing in Middle Earth is nothing like playing in D&D or other kitchen sink fantasy game already.

>>54105412
It's okay because she's a sexy witch.

>>54103759
frig off ya hipster

>>54108044
At what point would you say the generic fantasy tropes set in?

>>54108233
They're mostly spawned by D&D itself, which can be divided into original ideas (quite a lot of them actually), material from source fiction (largely misinterpreted, misunderstood or taken by face-valure by D&D creators. Also Tolkien is only a very minor part of those, despite his influence being most striking, even if superficial) and D&D's creators understandings of medieval history (also rather por usually).

Before D&D what is today considered "generic fantasy" never existed. Or rather, "generic fantasy" existed but was quite different.

>>54108097
>having more fun is being a hipster

It's kinda sad to think how much Tolkien and Lewis would hate every single character I've ever made, but I have no intention to change

>>54105604
>since D&D has "kinda metaphysical" forces that don't actually mean good or evil.
Only if your GM is shit.

>>54108750
>putting in obscure folks nobody has ever heard of isn't hipster

>>54108900
Have you really not heard of any of those people?

>>54102966
I'd rather play a game with Lovecraft and Robert Howard. I dunno who the other players would be, but I want those two guys.

>>54108934
Out, hipster. You aren't welcome.

>>54108789
What's wrong with your characters?

>>54108789
What, are they not proper god-fearing Christians?

>>54108976
Dave Arneson was the co-creator of D&D m8. M.A.R. Barker invented Tekumel and was essentially another Tolkien. T.H. White is the author of The Once and Future King. Charles Chiniquy is the French-Canadian nutjob Jack Chick stole his conspiracy theories from. C.L. Moore and Henry Kuttner were husband & wife writers who were part of the later Lovecraft circle: Kuttner contributed a few gods to the mythos, Moore had her own Conan/Sonja figure in Jirel of Joiry.

I was just deliberately choosing people who were like but not quite the same as the proposed figures, and my original post was a joke, but if you really don't know any of these people they're worth knowing a little bit about. I don't know how you know Gygax but don't know Arneson, at least.

>>54109117
Chick is important because of his hatred of table tops but everything else works

I try to convince Tolkien to run DSA. If there's anyone that can make Hiking in the Woods Simulator into the best damn game I've ever played, it's JRR.

>>54102966
They're all going to gang up and murder me by the end of this.

>>54109085
Proper Christian doesn't need to fear God. For God is kind unless you spite him and Christians know how to not spite the God so they have nothing to fear.

>>54106188
I can be impartial, but there's no way I'm running the game if those two know each other. This shit can happen over Roll20 using assumed names.

>>54103680
>You can't ask Howard any question or both he and Lovecraft answer as a practical joke
>Later you realize they were answering the same way at the same time without any hesitation or foreplanning
>Roll SAN

>Ask Lovecraft where he's getting his beer in this extra-dimensional space
>He just stares at you while casually holding a hand out to the left, palm up, as if expecting something
>A weird slurping pop noise happens and the universe goes blorange, he suddenly has two beers
>Everyone else stares, Robert doesn't even react except to grab one of them

>>54103810
Terry Pratchett, this group needs to have someone that isn't a downer

>>54109989
How's mount stupid this time of year?
I hear amazons cut off one breast to shoot arrows better or whatever.

>>54107966
>Howard definitely WOULD play Conan.

Yeah, probably.

Still like the image of Gygax and Chick at each other's throats, Lewis and Tolkien building richly detailed characters and discussing the world...

...and Lovecraft and Howard cracking open STILL MORE beer.

You guys don't get it

>Game: The Warren/Bunnies & Burrows

>GM: Richard Adams, of couse

>Hazel: Lewis
>Fiver: HPL
>Bigwig: REH
>Blackberry: Verne (I mean, we do need a scifi one for him)
>Dandelion: Tolkien

>Woundwort: Chick

Tell me it wouldn't work.

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>>54104523
>>54107966
>Gygax: Wizard

No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UjXi1HKjms

>>54111636
When did wizards become broken then, 3.5?

>>54111787
3e. Even as late as 2e they were hands down the worst class.
You wanted one in your party, but you wouldn't want it to be you.

>>54111787
"D&D" by Wizards of the Coast only superficially resembles "D&D" by Tactical Studies Rules
they only bought TSR to get the rights to the name to leech sales through brand recognition

>>54111636
His personal character from D&D was Mordenkainen the wizard - and also the only one of the six that we know the personal character choice of for a fact.

>>54110844
What kind of character would Terry roll? At first thought i would have guessed magic user but going by his books and style of writing, he never really cared about high fantasy shit.

Bard, maybe?

>>54112487
I can see Terry rolling up the jankiest bard on the planet. Something that's total rules abuse, and then playing it lightheartedly and enjoyably enough that the DM doesn't make him stop.

He'd go full Soul Music and it would be great

>>54103729
Then I suggest a double DM: Tolkien does the worldbuilding and Howard narrates.

>>54103265
Jack Chick was actually a rather cool and nice person despite his comics.

>>54116156
I am unconvinced.

Prove me wrong, this is the perfect sci-fi group

>Game: Rogue Trader
>GM: Douglas Adams
>Players:
>Frank Herbert
>Robert A. Heinlen
>George Orwell
>Philip K. Dick

>>54116280
The players try to RP for a serious grimdark game and the GM throws at them the whackiest of adventures, perfect for 40k

>>54109117
Greg Stafford > M.A.R Barker

>>54116295
That sounds hilarious.

>>54116156
His personal beef with TTRPG would probably cause problems

>>54103272
>Chick will hate anything you play regardless of system or setting

So Jack Chick was really the patron saint of /tg/ this whole time & we never knew?

>>54118401
Wait, did you not know?

>>54118478
Praise be to Chick

What would be the worst possible group composition using famous people?

>All these plebs asking for Lovecraft instead of Edgar Rice Burroughs

>>54104568
Tolkien and Gygax actually agreed on mercy and the nature of good and evil. Orc nits do in fact make lice.

>>54116156
[citation needed]

Unless his comics were purely a business venture and the whole "Everything but my brand of Christianity is the devil" was parody, I have a hard time believing he was anything other than a bigoted jackwagon.

>>54125726
Tolkien's view on orcs outside the confines of the story itself in LotR changed over years, and he was never happy with them being wholly and irredeemably evil. I think Tolkien would be intrigued by the baby orc dilemma, and his Catholic guilt and Kipling-esque Imperial British background would lead him to the 'raise the child to be moral and decent' resolution.

>>54103658
>i came up with orcs on my own
wow what a faggot, reminders me of my schizophrenic uncle that thinks hollywood keeps stealing his movie scripts

>>54123925
Lovecraft because he and Robert E. Howard were actually friends in real life, so the two of them would sync well probably.

>>54125726
That doesn't sound like Tolkien's view on orcs, at least not later in his life. In fact Tolkien came to be quite uncomfortable with how he had portrayed orcs in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, and was planning on re-writing at least the latter to change their origin and make them not unquestionably, irredeemably evil.

Which I personally prefer. Even in the existing corpus we do see evidence of orcs having at least hints of admirable qualities. Ugluk, in particular.

>>54114509

That would so much of a trainwreck that I'd love to see just that.

>So, Robert, here are the notes about the elves's peculiar language there, the shades of the leaves in fall, the flashback about the love interest in the Hall of Fire, the songs of the hobbits for bath and supper, the genealogical trees for every PC, the lines of poetry about their long lost homes over the Sea and...

>ALRIGHT GUYS, THE FUCKING TYRANNOSAURUS CHARGES YOU SCOUNDRELS WITH HIS CRIMSON, FETID MOUTH. DO YOU TRY TO CLIMB THE VINES, IF YOUR THEWS CAN DO IT, OR DO YOU SAVE THAT "ELF" WENCH WITH AN AMPLE BOSOM THAT MADE YOUR BLOOD RUN?

(actually you know, REH was possibly more important for us at worldbuilding than JRRT. Seriously, average RPG maps are Hyboria, not Middle Earth. And perhaps for good reasons. ME is weird as fuck, seriously, at least on maps. It is so... scenographic that is surreal)

>>54120571

Exactly the same authors.

But JRRT is the GM and the game is MAID.

>tough I can kinda see Pratchett doing it

>>54103579
>you would have to play something other than DnD though
what's the downside?

>>54110844
This
>>54112487
I would ask him to DM for everyone's sake.

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>that guy who always comes to sessions drunk
>his drunk roleplaying is actually the best fucking thing in the world

What's everyone's least favorite system?

>>54103265
Well he was a pretty good fantasist

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>>54116156
>>54125762
From page 24,
Jack Chick is described by someone who actually had met him irl.
He probably has several weird beliefs but he is not going to be agressive at all irl.

>>54126207
Everyone rolls qualities in secret and somehow all end up with Actually a Boy.

Pratchett goes full ham British drag actor, while everyone else is rather more embarassed and keep it on the down low.

After a session or two, he catches on and commences Monstrous Regiment: Now In Reverse Edition.

>>54120571
>George Martin
>Terry Goodkind
>C.S. Goto
>that mormon bitch responsible for Twilight
>J.K. Rowlings
You know it
Between the mary-sue-ism, the inconsistencies, every player clinging to their obsessions, the drama, the constant perving in and out of context, this has to be one of the worst combinations
To add to the clusterfuck, have them play Exalted

>>54120571
Any game with Wil Wheaton.

>>54120571
Terry Goodkind playing a Paladin of OBJECTIVISM!

Wil Wheaton as a Kender Bard

Stephenie Meyer playing some sort of Vampire (minus any penalties) OP homebrew class.

Christopher Paolini playing a some sort of Beastmaster/Druid with Dragon familiar.

The setting is Gor.

The DM is Anita Sarkeesian.

>>54132452
>Christopher Paolini
Good god I almost forgot about that raging retard

>>54126030
Honestly I have a feeling that Howard would very strictly adhere to Tolkien's world at first and at it'd end with Sauron getting beaten to death with his own arm.

>>54131844
Pratchett would turn the whole thing into a pantomime, quite honestly.

What I reckon would be the funniest game: R. E. Howard, H. P. Lovecraft, Douglas Adams, Terry Prattchet, C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien (the last two to stop the whole ordeal from descending into madness).

What about a sci-fi game ?

I'd say Lois McMaster Bujold, Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein and Aldous Huxley would be a good starting party
Not sure about Philip K. Dick being a good player

>>54132742
I could see Dick contributing some cool ideas.

Now Harlan Ellison, he's That Guy incarnate.

>>54132666

Drop Terry Prattchet, insert H.R Giger for maximum magical realm and sheer hilarity for making every other player uncomfortable.

>>54132905
Prattchet brings pantomime influences, though. Giger as a DM would be horrifying.

>>54132905
Nah, better add him to the sci-fi game, we're lacking a weirdo
Fredric Brown would probably shake things up a bit too

>>54103629
>>54103658

>[Robert E.] Howard...Poul Anderson, L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt, Fritz Leiber, H.P. Lovecraft, A. Merritt, Michael Moorcock, Jack Vance, and Roger Zelazny.

Gygax would have more fun running a game for any of these than Toklien.

>>54103783
>Catholic, mainstream Protestant, pseudo-Baptist nutcase, and a lapsed Mormon.

popcorn.gif. esp. if OP's hypothetical (You) tips the ferdora.

>>54132477
How is he a raging retard?

>>54133547
Chick starts to call Gary a satanist, Lewis and Tolkien intervene, Lovecraft and Howard watch from the sidelines, Lovecraft occasionally chiming in about his non belief

>>54102966
I ask if Tolkien can write the setting notes for Gary to use. Making cosmologies, background fluff and languages is sort of his jam. Lewis can no doubt add stuff on the fly.

>>54134556
Gary isn't a fan of Tolkien, I don't know if Gary would like that

>>54134602
In what way wasn't he a fan?
His books were a little dry, they were modelled on sagas after all, but if that's the case then the fact the setting details are told via Gary's DMing shouls negate that downside entirely.

>>54134642
Earlier in the thread there's a link to a interview where Gary says he doesn't really like Tolkien

>>54133875
His books really are fucking stupid
His self insert is a colossal mary sue, his villains are godawful cardboard cutouts, he writes like a child, his plot doesn't make any sense and he overuses every fantasy trope in the book ad nauseam
It's basically glorified fanfic that lasted for way too long
When he's not flat out copying stuff from classics and renaming it, he manages to only come up with the most bog-standard, bland and uninteresting worldbuilding
Everything that he put in his Eragon books can be summed up to "[generic fantasy trope] but with [minor cosmetic change]"
I fucking hate this piece of shit, the same way I hate Twilight, because talentless hacks that just happen to land on a fad and have a good celeb story to sell are what the book industry is now about
I shit out better campaign ideas and settings than Eragon on the weekly and I don't try to pretend it's literature, but this pompous little cunt can make undeserved millions by selling unfiltered, barely proofreaf, shit to plebs

tl;dr : chris paolini is a talentless hack and symptomatic of a literary void that makes me angry

>>54134883
...yes. That is what you said.

And I requested additional clarification. If you don't know, that's fine. But don't just regurgitate the same shit in front of me and think that's at all informative.

>>54135119
YA fantasy is shit

>>54135205
>YA
what ?

>>54135198
http://grognardia.blogspot.com/2010/01/gygax-on-tolkien-again.html?m=1
Here's the article

>>54135235
Young adult

How would Haruki Murakami do in this situation? I know he isn't dead but I'm not sure that makes a big difference in his case

>>54135258
Oh right
I have to agree with you but Eragon is still a particularly terrible example imo

>>54135119
So you're just basically angry that he made money writing things you personally dislike? Also don't say you can write better shit and then not do it, it's disingenuous, and smacks of arrogance of the highest order.

And as much as his, and really any, writing deserves criticism, he is not even close to as bad as Stephanie Meyer, and her fucking chaste romance almost Mormon propaganda shit.

I've read both, in their entirety and compared to Twilight? Inheritance is a fucking masterpiece. Compared to the likes of Tolkien, Howard, King, Doyle or Lovecraft? Yeah I can agree that his writing is simpler and far more childish, but compared to Stephanie Meyer? No fucking way, for one he actually has a plot, cliched, overdone? Maybe, but there is one and it's reasoned out and makes sense, and at the very least was entertaining and engaging, it's entry level fiction so one can't expect supreme quality out of it.

The biggest difference for me was that when I finished twilight, not only was I disgusted with myself, and had a feeling I can only describe as deeply unsettling, I was disgusted with everyone who bought and took any lesson from it, whether it be that Edward is a great guy, or any of the Mormon brand of morality peddled oh so stealthily(though definitely unintentionally) within it. With Inheritance I left feeling satisfied and wanting more with a slight bittersweet feeling, and even after mulling over it again and again, it still makes sense and there is admittedly a lot of room to improve, but for someones first book series, it's not bad, it's also not great and I look forward to seeing how and if his writing has improved with his new Scifi book.

As much as I can agree that he isn't a god-tier writer, you cannot put him a middling-tier writer at best, at the same level as the absolute shit like Twilight or Mercedes Lackey is at, you just can't, it's a poor comparison, and incredibly dishonest.

>>54132666
Hold up there Satan. As long as we're digging up dead British Catholic authors, shove Chesterton in there and there will be no way off the wild ride generated between Prattchet, Adams, and him.
I imagine G.K. playing the most based butler in history, pretending to be the straight man while rusing the DM and everything ending when the poor sap in charge just won't deal with it anymore.

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>>54132666
How would you even run a comedy campaign

>>54136266
Into the ground

>>54137175
Seriously though, how?

>>54136023
Honestly, at this point we might as well run a 6 man party+GM of Chesterton, Adams, Prattchet, Howard, Lovecraft, H. G. Wells and Jerome K. Jerome. Wells as the GM and Jerome K. Jerome as the snarkiest guy in the planet. No stopping on the wild ride.

>>54137361
In my experience, comedy campaigns just happen when you have a group of friends who understand each other and just have a good time together
It often goes along with a derailing of the plot, but it's worth it
I don't think you can force it, apart from presenting players with occasions to interact other than just quests

We've had a Star Wars game drag on for years now and most of it has been puns, shit breaking down with hilarious effect, systematic bullying of droids and absolutely no progress towards a plot

>>54139555
I can see that especially when if the GM designs the game from the ground up to be funny it could be pretty cringe

Arthur Conan Doyle.

>>54141783
A comedy campaign is more of an accidental thing. Paranoia is a good example of a game that lends itself to comedy, but the general idea is that rather than being serious everyone takes the game lightheartedly and derailing is taken as a positive thing. Breaking the laws of logic is a common way to achieve that, but you can also work with play a setting straight but it getting parodied by the players, nonsense, turning the ham up to eleven and ridiculous missions.

>>54145819
I've always liked the idea of the npc's playing straight men to the antics of the pcs

>>54146703
Apart from the occasional wacky NPC (which you shouldn't overdo), I can confirm that a lot of the fun can come from the NPCs' baffled reactions at the PCs crazy plans
>what do you mean, a 2 miles long zipline ?

As for funny NPCs, I find that what works best with my groups is either witty characters the DM can use them as proxies to crack jokes at the PCs (or at their expense), or just stuff that's a bit out of place

In the Star Wars game I mentioned earlier, the crew has bought a ship and with it, its droid "maid" : an old separatist droid soberly called "R0G3R" whose memory has been corrupted and that spends most of its time cooking, caring for bonsais and humming to itself
It also wears an apron and bonnet around the ship

>>54147084
If a PC is a straight man, play the whole "What do you mean, a 2-mile long zipline?" thing in a "doesn't match our own weirdness" way. If you play it off in a Pythonesque way (actual Pythonesque way and not just references and quotes), it can get pretty hilarious.

>>54148245
I'm afraid I don't really understand what you're trying to convey

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>>54135205
>YA fantasy is shit
Lies

>>54148805
The exception to the rule

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>>54148942
Fair enough.

>>54102966
Well given my luck I think Gary would like me until it's boss time, people in my group have a tendency to earn the ire of dm/gm after that

>>54150381
How so? Do you have a tendency to throw hard encounters at your players? I don't think Gary would mind

>>54102966
Wouldn't this just devolve into an argument about Catholicism v Protestantism...

>>54151220
Probably not, both Gygax and Chick were Protestant

>>54150969
Never gmed but I played a few times with them
Two nights ago we were playing Dark Heresy, I made a nihilistic unsanctioned psyker Ace but only got 1 session in and this is the last one for the investigation long
Gm wanted to be a bro and give me a chance because he knew what the fuck I was about to fight, so as soon as he came in the room where the rest of the part was, a 2 and a half foot slaneshi midget by the name of Tor, who is currently fucking multiple women, jumps at him and after hugging him for an uncomfortable amount of time, pulls my ace into another dimension. A daemon of Khorne gives him a daemonic force sword that bites him giving him multiple status effects that would normally hit the enemy if he misses. In return he asks my ace to give up a body part. Thinking it'll be removed when it's time to collect he says the legs but only the part right before the pelvis. Turns out that wasn't the case and the daemon is going to empower his legs when need be.
He gets ported back and the party has killed all the shit in the room, they go to another room where a woman is protected by a warp field is sitting eating an apple.
They try to sneak in but they didn't have a chance at that as she throws the apple at them.
We talk to her she tries to persuade the party to play a game but she had to go through my ace to accept, because he didn't feel like standing around until he starved, which dragged the party in it with him.
Terms of game were to cut the cables in her chair that was creating the warp field protecting her.
Easy? Nah
Downstairs where the cables are is a fucking great daemon price of slanesh.
Our sister of battle opens fire does some damage, then the sanctioned psyker creates a sanctuary field that drops him to the floor.
My ace throws 2 krak grenades, dealing a whopping 1 damage that knocks a dreadlock off him.
My ace still catches the blame for killing him because right before his next turn the daemon will killed with exact damage.

>>54151915
Ran out of room but shit like that happens a lot in our group

>>54151930
Shit happens, nothing to be mad about

Can we organize traveller game with Philip k Dick, Stanislav Lem and A Clark later ?

>>54152762
Maybe but only if we get Asimov on board.

>>54125803
Daily reminder that orcs in LotR literally grew out of the mud, already fully developed.

>>54156418
Daily reminder that you are a movie fag, they did not.

>>54156835
Daily reminder that DnD is shit

>>54158482
Who cares?

>>54106712
I'd watch it if it was a fucking pay-per-view cable special. and i dont even have cable.

>>54158632
How bad would it be if it was just people role playing as these authors rather than actually being them?

>>54158696
Would be severely less interesting....would still watch it tough. get some top-tier method actors or soemthing.

>>54158776
Alternatively someone could wright this stuff up

>>54159703
Write

>Neil gaiman joins the party
>at first everyone thinks he's going to bring back some gravitas to the session
>turns out he not only plays along with all of terry's wacky ideas for the session he goes even further

I persuade or drug gary so I can instead DM anima and have Chick, Lewis and Tolkien go full christian sperg at each other.

If I am lucky gigax will be mad we are playing basically rolemaster. But iirc he was a chill guy.