It's not good, but I can't stop reading it. Does anyone

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>>54028466
No. Read something that actually IS good instead.

>>54028466
Goblin Knight himself has a cool look to him, but the story is pretty shit senpai

>opens portal to seabed

>>54028536
I know right, but I keep wanting to see what his autism cooks up next. I couldn't care less about the other characters or the edgy shit that's in it. I just keep coming back to see what kind of bullshit is going through this guy's head.

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>>54028500
It's so pleasant to have multiple good /tg/ mangas going on, like this and Wizard's Soul: Holy War of Masochism.

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>>54028466
If you can't stop reading it is good. Its the only manga I have ever bothered to read. No faggotry just rip and tear.

>>54028536
I don't see why it's shitty, cliche yeah, but it's very solid.
Also the goblicide autism is entertaining as fuck and the look of the dorf and lizards is cool, 6/10.

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Every day is a good day for killing goblins anon.

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>>54028466
I just want to see this edgy tacticool fantasy up against the dumbass power fantasy of pic related.

>>54028466
Me.

>>54028466
>It's not good, but I can't stop reading it.
That sums up alot of Manga and Anime. Hell that sums up most RPGs

>>54028466
Call me overly sensative, but this one was a bit much for me. To introduce and get invested in characters just to see them slaughtered and literally raped to death, it kind of got to me.
Did the monk and caster characters from the beginning get rescued? If they did maybe I could give the manga another go, because there were aspects I really liked.

>>54028466
No. If something is shit I can stop pretty fast

>>54031834
Monk got raped rescued but is mindbroken, caster saved.

>>54030105
Sure is /a/utism in here

>>54030205
They raped people to death in the first chapter

>>54028466
I feel the same. Cannot wait for the next chapters.

>>54031851
Caster got poisoned then raped while she died. Priestess got saved.

They laid off the rape a bit after chapter one. Some. I mean there's a bit of rape but it's not the focus of entire chapters any more.

And while the story is kinda eh, it is kind of neat to see the stupid stunts that Autism Slayer cooks up.

>>54031958
You said rape twice and autism once in that post, this can't be good

>>54032049
It's only a little rape.

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>>54028466
I honestly feel somewhat the same about overlord. I am not a fun of "videogame world" or even "world is operating only partially like a videogame" stuff. Also not a fun of lizards, their volume felt too long.

But damn sasuga Ainz-sama! He turned Baharuth Empire into a vassal state by accident. This skeleton can't keep getting away with this!

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>>54031864
Genocidal anger born out of hatred for rapists is very justifiable, in my opinion

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>>54032186
>fun-fan
Damn
Here, take another pic

>>54028500
Holy shit that person has huge ears

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>>54028466
It doesn't have to be good to be fun.
>Inb4 "fun is a buzzword"

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>>54032351

>>54032505
Yes, good post, has much to do with whtaver I posted.

>>54032351
Whats the name of this one? I've seen posts from it for ages now but never followed up on reading it.

>>54032532
Dungeon meshi.

>>54032532
Dungeon Meshi

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>>54032543
Thank you anon

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>>54032518
Oops, posted the wrong pic.
But who cares anyway. Elf>Halfling

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>>54032614
>The not!asians look different from the not!europeans
>Everyone looks their age, you don't just have teenagers and grannies
>The women have rounder faces, the men have more square faces (except Chilchak, but he's a halfling)
>The only samefaces are the characters who are actually related
I love this woman. You'd even recognize characters from the same race and the same gender if they swapped clothes and haircuts.

>>54030105
>Its the only manga I have ever bothered to read
No wonder this shit looks like some kind of masterpiece to you.

I like Goblin Slayer
And Dungeon Meshi

>>54028466
Acutaly enjoyed it. As all manga the premise is fun but then it turns to shit.
Tried to read the novel but as all novels it is illegible.

Easter Egg, the guild papers they need to compile is D&D 5 character sheet.

Also I need my fix of edgy since Hellsing ended.

>>54032186
Since we talk about isekai lately I'm reading this web novel
http://royalroadl.com/fiction/8894/everybody-loves-large-chests

Classic power fantasy from perespective of a you will see

>>54028466
Where do you read it? The wesbite I use is only at chapter 12.

Goblin Slayer was only so graphic at the start to hammer home that you should never sympathize with a Goblin.

If you reached the end of the initial chapters and felt "Goblin Slayer shouldn't have killed the children" then you missed the entire point. Especially since the most recent chapter showed what happens if you spare a Goblin child when a female adventurer didn't kill one because it was crying, turned around and proceeded to get her head smashed in by a rock.

>>54033544
>Especially since the most recent chapter showed what happens if you don't wear a helmet
There, fixed that for you. It all happened because Goblin Slayer doesn't share the secret of the helmet with the world.

>>54033383
I use an app that pulls from loads of sources. This one's from mangago. The app's called MangaBird, but it's only good if you get the APK from their website. The play store and app store versions specifically block a bunch of licenced stuff.

>>54033544
>Goblin Slayer was only so graphic at the start to hammer home that you should never sympathize with a Goblin.
>Especially since the most recent chapter showed what happens if you spare a Goblin child when a female adventurer didn't kill one because it was crying, turned around and proceeded to get her head smashed in by a rock.
>the most recent chapter

>>54031834
You are oversensitive. I thought it was great in a grimdark fashion. Not really sure how you could get invested in the barely characters so quickly.

>>54031864
You say that like its a bad thing.

I think someone said it best the last time this steaming pile of shit was brought up: Goblin Slayer is like someone tried to copy Berserk and fucked it up.

>>54032186
Overlord is literally the worst manga posted in here

>>54028466
It's an equivalent to a grindhouse movie.

It has no great plot or really complex heroes but art is pretty good and we get to see characters engaging in gratuitous violence.

>>54031864
It happens even today and he is portraying monsters so you hate them, again perhaps a bit cliche but GS autism for killing gobs is funny as fuck.

>>54034304
that's just stupid.

It's more whfrp player being forced to adjust with DnD

>>54034394
I will agree, but i was talking more about LNs.

Speaking of which, isn't the goblin slayer manga is also an adaptation of LN?

>>54034394
>Overlord is literally the worst manga posted in here
/tg/ has pretty good taste in mangas then

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>>54034394
The fact that you called it a manga shows just ignorant you are.

>>54034938
People post the lizadman arc flirting all the time so it's mostly relevant as a manga

>>54033585
I'm pretty sure he does for free if anyone asks him.

>if anyone asks him...

>>54028466
>>54028500

I like both.

Goblin Slayer for fighting irredeemable evil.

Dungeon Meishi for the survival-cooking adventure.

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>>54034956
That's not how it works to begin with, manga itself is honestly mediocre all in all, only useful if you absolutely cannot read walls of text. The light novel is straight out superior way to get into Overlord, judging it based on 2 'spinoffs' and not the direct source is being objectively wrong.

>>54030454
Eww.

If i wanted a comically edgy competent MC i'd rather read Warlock of the Magus World instead of ''It's not rape if i drug them and enslave them with magic first!''...

>>54035002
I like neither.

Basically all the JRPG-verse-type fantasy, with their adventuring guilds and usual-suspect races and classes, just never got me. There's hardly ever anything new in them: it feels like the entirety of fantasy genre got -standardized-. which is the very opposite of fantasy.

>>54035014
You judge everything on it's own merit. On /tg/ is primarily referred to as a manga.

>>54035034
I think edgy and competent might be the worst combination in fiction

>>54031834
>Call me overly sensative, but this one was a bit much for me. To introduce and get invested in characters just to see them slaughtered and literally raped to death, it kind of got to me.

The first episode was just an intro to show reckless kids getting them selves killed by being overconfident or following an incompetent leader.

>Did the monk and caster characters from the beginning get rescued? If they did maybe I could give the manga another go, because there were aspects I really liked.

Monk-girl survived with trauma from being raped.
GS mentions that cases like her either commit suicide or enter a cloister to becomme nuns.

Wizard chick got stabbed with a knife full of rust and goblin shit.
She died by a mercy-kill from GS because the poison was in her system for too long to be cured. At least she wasn't gobbed.

But be glad. Everyone besides Priest girl re-rolled new characters.
The whole manga is just a DM using his DMPC to tutor ne players.

I can also tell you who re-rolled as what.

Monk player decided to go with the most un-rapeable race in the game and rolled up a Dwarf Cleric.

Wizard player decided to take defenses into account and rolled up a Lizardman Blade pact-Warlock.

THAT GUY who played a Human Dex fighter with a longsword ended up rolling up a fuckbait Battlemaster Archer High Elf.

>>54032696
it one of the very few chosen ones, along with berserk in an entirely different style

>>54030205
>I don't see why it's shitty
The world makes no sense. It's been likened to a world that operated on Final Fantasy logic (jrpg armor with the occasional barbarian) and then over night the logic switches to Dark Souls bUT only one person got the Memo. Also the guild of this steries is retarded.

I did enjoy this chapter but only because the highlight of the story is killing goblins. Everything else is just a contrivance to make the Main Character relevant.

>>54030454
Now this is bad with no redeeming qualities.

>>54035066
Not when the MC is spouting out Sailor Moon lines to throw of suspicion from organisations he infiltrated.

Seriously Leylin is a super fun MC despite being evil.

>>54035047
The problem is everyone copy pasting Dragon Quest.

At least the fucking name ''Adventurers guild'' is the most stupid shit about it,

Instead of guilds you can have mercenary companies or in case the king has banned private mercenary companies then a royal missions office etc.

Also the ranking system is shit.
There would only ever be two ranks in such a system.
Those who are trusted by the government to do their important missions competently.
And those that aren't trusted, that's all.

>>54028500

When does this update. You jerks hooked me.

>It was the moment about two chapters in when the rest of the party suddenly realized they had entered the Fighter's Magical Realm because it seemed a good idea at the time (if an extreme course of action in response to difficult circumstance), and now there was no getting out.

>>54035111
>Monk-girl survived
Only in the manga. She's dead in the light novel from the aforementioned brutal rape in

>>54035278
Pity.
That's what she gets for following along with a dumbass and dumping Wis of all things.

>>54028466
GS is a DM game being played by the gods of Fantasy who wants to have a good old time with an anime fantasy adventure and Reailty who rain on Fantasy because desipte being in a fantasy world there are evil things in this world and they will do VERY EVIL things to her cute characters if they act like dumb asses

like what happens to the parties who take fighting monsters lightly

>>54035277
usually around the 15th of every month

It feels as if the author is more adept at writing and drawing cute fantasy but the editors told him to be grimdark as possible

>>54035034
>''It's not rape if i drug them and enslave them with magic first!''
that's kinda hot

>It's not good, but I can't stop reading it.
This applies to most of /tg/.

>>54035591
It's a Jap author so naturally it doesn't get done any justice.

>>54030454
Stop posting that westernized manga everywhere thanks.

This is why /co/ should be banned from talking with moon authors. Their terrible taste comes out.

>>54028466
Needs more rape

>>54035537
Pretty much all of Japan can only ever draw cute things. It's ingrained in all of manga.

>>54035034
That's my point, GS and RM are both godawful power fantasies, one aiming to be dark and edgy while the other is just "get every desire with no real effort or consequences". I want to see them destroy one another.

>>54036857
Oh i certainly want to see Goblin Slayer murdering the fuck out of Rou.

GS is literall a tabletop game with low suspension of disbelief and almost comically edgy plot.

ReMonster is pure shit.

>>54032791
I tried to read berzerk and got bored. So nah.

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>>54028466
I feel like this everytime I come on /tg.

>>54028466

...5 chapter's in.

It's compelling. Not quite magical realm (although who knows, anything could come later). Adventurers' Guild World. Goblins are a Level 3 Challenge with Level 1 Treasure given out as a Tutorial mission and stigmatized as such. And they're WHFB Night Goblins played straight. Vile, utterly horrible creatures with just enough admirable qualities to be unspeakably dangerous to non-PCs and a real challenge to anything that gives them half a chance.

And there's this one high-level weirdo that is genociding them solo at swordpoint. Regarded as level-grinding scrub weirdo. Is a level-grinding scrub weirdo. But it's work that needs doing.

>sigh... I suppose I'm hooked

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>>54037322
If you're up for some shitty "I got sucked into a fantasy videgame world" like Re;Monster or Reincarnated as a Slime, "Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka?/ So I'm a spider, what of it?" Has been a joy for me. It's got hints of OP as per the other two, but, it's got a thankfully somewhat slower progression of power. And the best waifu. It's scheduled to update today, but if you're already bored, then there's a backlog of 16 chapters.

Is there any better antagonist than goblins? Goblins are the best enemy, cruel cunning creatures who live in the dark, always skulking about. GS does them really well, as did the Skarsnik book. Is there any other good goblin media I should read?

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>>54037322
I literally started reading it because of this picture

>>54037437
I liked the premise, but not where it ended up. She only starts interacting with people when she's OP, but the struggling kids were better to me at that point because they were struggling and had to deal with things.

>>54037610
That's fair; are you reading the light novel version?

What's the general consensus on Konosuba?

I'm having a hard time getting into it and staying into it. Basically the whole "ha ha the protags are shitty people!" gimmick isn't doing it for me since the characters are so one-dimensional that it's hard for me to get invested if they succeed OR fail, it's super generic otherwise and seems like almost every joke is I've seen done in another fantasy anime first or even webcomic or general TRPG war stories in general.

I almost wonder if it's just a weird case where I've just read/watched too many animes/fantasy stories/played enough RPGs to where I'm not even the intended audience for it.

Or like where maybe watching Seinfeld is probably weird if you only watched it like this year after watching every other 90's/00's sitcom first.

>>54037678
Yeah, it was recommended to me here on /tg/. Went through most of it over a single weekend and drive. Did they change it in the manga?

>>54037692
I liked it because it reminded me of my group. It's basically the isekai version of It's Always Sunny, and if you don't enjoy the characters interacting with each other it's safe to say you should just quit while you're ahead, but I don't think having seen a lot of other shows beforehand is really a valid reason for disliking it.

>>54037780
That's actually an apt comparison that I hadn't noticed before. I'm not sure what it is that makes me like Always Sunny and not Konosuba, though.

>>54037692
I found it very earnest, sweet and the only thing approaching slice of of life I've been moved to pour my time into.

Also Megumin's a treasure.

>>54037765
Manga should be the same as the LN. WN is different and the only translations available (til YP releases vol 1 next month I think).

>>54037130

I'm bored of Berserk too but that's because the author takes a 20 week Idol Master break between chapters

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>>54032696
She seems really dedicated and I love it

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>>54039090
I just can't get over those fucking pig ears.

>>54039090
She looks cute in armor.

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>>54040131

>pig-eared Marcille was the elf village chubby with her fat ears and went to a human school to get away from the bullying
>she fell in with the Thorden kids who being naive humans thought she was the prettiest thing ever
>she's starting to push her luck with the boy though

Goblin Slayer is carried pretty much entirely by its main character, his competence is refreshing in a lot of ways, like when he encounters a goblin fortress and simply fires some flaming arrows into and has his cleric party member cast a divine shield to bar the exit roasting them alive.

thankfully he keeps out of mary sue territory by only going after goblins.

>>54041421

It's more his crippling neurosis, the exploration of which is as core to the story as his competence, that keeps him out of Mary Sue territory.

I hope they don't skip over the fight between the Silver Rankeds and the Goblin Champions. Would be cool to see the background characters in action.

>>54040629

...Damn it Marcille, he's 20 at *most*. Such lewd degeneracy.

>>54043150
When you're bullied by fellow elves, you gotta fight back with degeneracy. And holding hands with a human male and his sister!

>>54033002
I gave up at the point that the author resorted to literal deus ex machina.

>>54041421
Honestly, shit like that is why I can't get into Goblinslayer and a lot of Isekai. Yes, it's a clever idea, but it's an obvious one, so why hasn't anyone else thought of it? Why isn't this the standard way of disposing of monster forts?

From what I've seen it's pretty much ubiquitous in Isekai - the author pretends their main character is this brilliant tactical mind, when really all they've done is reduced the intelligence of every other character in the setting to make their hero look better in comparison.

>>54047003
>Yes, it's a clever idea, but it's an obvious one, so why hasn't anyone else thought of it?
Just one word: helmets

>>54030454
This is shit save for girls. This is rape manga and ths dude is rotten as fuck.

>>54030454
You know that probably would be a good match up. Separately they're both only annoyingly edgy, but by their powers combined they could become the ultimate offense to rational thought

>>54037437
>>54037218
Exactly the same shit (only snake instead of spider) written by someone who actually knows English so the prose is more readable. (The style of light novels makes them completely illegible to me)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSnakeReport/
complete first book
https://www.patreon.com/posts/snake-report-11606511

>>54047099
Exactly my point. If this is a pseudo-realistic setting where a lucky hit with a rock can knock you the fuck out, then everyone would have learned to wear helmets when they go into combat situations. The people who didn't would have all died off centuries ago, and would be used as examples by teachers of what not to do.

>>54035304

More like

> thats what they get for being told their entire lives that Goblins were weak, having no real training, and getting pointed by an authority figure to a goblin den and being told they could handle it.

The starter party was only dumb because literally every person in the entire world lied to them their whole lives for no reason.
It would be a global conspiracy if only there was some conceivable benefit to such targetted deception.

>>54049295

It's this weird setting that apparently stopped being a standard JRPG setting 2 days ago. Not just goblins but the basic laws of physics too.

>>54035111

>GS mentions that cases like her either commit suicide or enter a cloister to becomme nuns.

So if the goblins caught GS and raped him, the same would happen? Considering GS's example 'Murderous anti-goblin rampage' seems a valid option there too.

>>54031864
Bad things happening doesn't make it a bad story.

>>54050037

Level 1 dex-build Fighter was outright told by the experienced adventurer he hero-worshiped that if he didn't have his party beside him in that hole he would have been a goner.

Then he tried to solo the horde. Because nascent protagonist type among a bunch of girls. The Monk at least could have guarded his back for the duration, but it would have been on him to deal with the 'Hob. And way to get your casters killed, dumbass.

>>54050124
No. The setting making zero sense is what makes it a bad story.

>>54050136
>Level 1 dex-build Fighter was outright told by the experienced adventurer he hero-worshiped that if he didn't have his party beside him in that hole he would have been a goner.

iirc, they were the second tier of adventurers rather than the lowest one. So they had some experience but somehow didn't understand goblins.

>>54028466
>It's not good, but I can't stop reading it. Does anyone else feel like this?
>he says to those reading threads on 4chan

>>54050158

No, it makes sense. Goblins are too dangerous for civilians, just dangerous enough to be a lethal threat to anyone, not enough of a threat to campaign against, and diffuse and perennial enough not to be worthwhile to fight with armies anyway.

The fact that even a high-level "not at PC" has at least *some* chance of dying on a goblin hunt and the reward to scaled to low-level means they avoid those missions like the plague. That the threat is at least *possible* to be dealt with by a low-level PC means if you only pay attention to the immediate effects economics of it you give it a pass. Ultimately, it is deforming the civilization for the worse.

>it's pretty much Vandals past the frontier. Urban tax revenues aren't falling off, the Legions are undefeated, but god damn the peasants are whining, which they'd shut up already.

>>54050186

No, porcelains. Novices all putting up a shield of bravado for the other novices not to think they were novices.

>>54037692
The closest thing to a real roleplaying party I've seen in anime

>>54050296

And you pretty much only have the clerk keeping the Guild's books and personnel records to go "contrary to the yearly returns and anecdotal reports from adventurers this is a metastasizing problem".

Money is being made. Missions are being taken. Levels are being gained. Goblins are being killed. The countryside is in an incipient doom spiral. The Guild doesn't have an organizationally healthy distribution of personnel, and is profoundly wasteful of raw material.

>>54028466
No. It's not good and I had no trouble at all dropping it.

It's really entertaining to watch people defend it like it's not just a heap of juvenile grimderp shit, though. If it ever gets an anime, it's going to be all over those "Top 10 Animes that PROVE Anime isn't for Kids" lists, right up there with Elfen Lied and SAO.

>>54050736

>I got triggered fast and noped off

That's ok anon, but it means you don't get to say anything about the whole, you weren't around for it.

>>54050872
>That's ok anon, but it means you don't get to say anything about the whole, you weren't around for it.

Wait, so someone needs to read the entirety of a currently ongoing series (And presumably keep up to date with it) to comment on it at all?

>>54050872
>>54050950
If you can't read all of it, you're not allowed to judge.

If you can read all of it, then obviously it was never all that bad.

You just can't win.

>>54050950

No, just to comment about the whole of it. "A low-level adventuring party gets graphically grimdarked in the first chapter" is certainly a thing.

anything with a similar level of edge?

Manga or fantasy novels.

>>54051051
Ubel Blatt's pretty good.

>>54051050

>No, just to comment about the whole of it. "A low-level adventuring party gets graphically grimdarked in the first chapter" is certainly a thing.

They didn't say how much they read. They could have read one chapter or a dozen.

Heck, it's not even all out yet. By that logic no one can say it's good either as it's not complete.

And I can't bitch about All Star Batman and Robin as DC hasn't finished the series even after all these years.

>>54037692
I love Konosuba because it's basically made of anti-edgy. You have shitty people doing shitty things and having shit happening to them because of that, but instead of having a dark or sad attitude instead they go hunt giant frogs and with the money left over from repaying their debts they throw a party and have fun with all the guild.

And to add to that despite what they say and do you can see the relationship the party has is more honest and real than in an hundred anime preaching about "family" and "friendship".

>>54050872
I read four chapters of it. It's not even remarkably offensive. It's just more video-game-fantasy-world bandwagon shit with edgy set-dressing.

Did you also enjoy Elfen Lied?

>>54051119

I loved the last episode of the second season for that exact reason. They never paid lip service to it, but its clear Darkness and Megumin always knew that Kazuma was going to go back and come up with a plan to save the town from this apparently unwinnable situation. They just had to wait until he accepted that too.

And that plan? Step 1 of Kazuma's plan was "I get myself killed acting as bait, you fuckers better rez me when you win."

That is an INCREDIBLE amount of trust in the rest of the team. Not just that they will bring him back from the dead AGAIN, but that they will be able to carry off the rest of the plan without him.

Be honest. Does your character trust their party that much?

I didnt think so.

>>54028466
Not really. I've only really seen bits of it when people post it on /a/ and /tg/, but from what I've seen this isn't just bad, but very bad.

The main draw appears to be seeing the MC being super good at killing goblins, but this is undermined by how the author handles him and the setting around him. He's supposed to be super competent, but all his tricks and strategies are either just common sense or mechanics that are brought up by the author on the spot. The 'bottom of the sea' bomb for example is not only something that most PnP people have done or thought of before anyway, it's also an example of magic just appearing to solve a problem without context. Prior to it showing up, we have no idea that kind of magic exists. So instead of it being an example of the MC gaming the mechanics of his world to win, it's an example of mechanics being introduced out of nowhere for him to win with.

The other major sin is that the setting and characters are grossly inconsistent. It's portrayed as a standard JRPG setting 90% of the time, and only switches to a dark gritty setting following dark gritty rules when it's time to wank off how great the MC is. If this is the kind of setting where you can't get away with not wearing a helmet, then why the fuck is Goblin Slayer the only person with the sense to do this? If this is a setting where goblins are a major threat so effective at what they do that the average nest has a full stable of rapemares stolen from nearby towns, why are they treated as a minor menace that everyone looks down on? The answer is this: everything in the setting is designed to highlight how special and smart Goblin Slayer is. Instead of him being super competent, everyone is is incompetent. It's a textbook example of a narrative warping nonsensically around a character because ultimately the story is about masturbating over that character.

This, by the way, is the most damning and consistent sign of a legit Mary Sue being present in a story.

>>54047003
This is also why HFY is bad.

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>>54051540
>The 'bottom of the sea' bomb for example is not only something that most PnP people have done or thought of before anyway, it's also an example of magic just appearing to solve a problem without context. Prior to it showing up, we have no idea that kind of magic exists
I was the one that criticized this a lot on /a/ when this chapter was released. And people thought I was just shitposting. Thanks.

>>54051089
I unironically thought ASBaR was a lot of fun.

>>54037437

NAI WA~~~~

>>54037765

She is still on lava level in the manga. She is like...greater poison tesseract or something like that? She's still a tiny spider but just unlocked an assload of skills and good poison.

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>>54039090
>tfw Farlyn will never beat you up

>>54051540
It's manga made by Square Enix. All of that bullshit is to be expected, together with pretentious and shallow psychological "exploration" of MC.

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>Old /tg/: I'M SAAAAAAAAAAAAD
>new /tg/: REMOVE GOBLIN REMOVE GOBLIN

What happened here?


On-topic, Goblin Slayer just has a cool premise (deconstructing MMORPG-style fantasy) and some cool ideas tackled on a lot of very cliched (DURR RAPEMONSTERS, DURR INNOCENT CUTIE BEING PROTECTED BY A HARDENED TRAUMATIZED MAN WHO ACTS HARSH BUT IS A GOOD GUY) material.

I've read up to the part where he destroys the Ogreish thing. I'm overall not loving the designs (other than the MC), but I guess that lizardman shaman summoning fossilized ancestors is a kind of a cool idea.

>>54052647
>deconstructing
Get yourself back to tvtropes.

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>>54036219
Nice meme fag

>>54052678
And you go back to r/4chan. It's a useful term and is 100% on-point in this case.

>>54052647
It does not deconstruct shit. It's just Darkier and Edgier with Gary Stu and his fight against the Ignored Enemy.

>>54050725
Problem with Adventurers Guild is the same that many other organizations get - their bosses can count money but don't have a clue what the fuck happens at the basic level. It also seems to be exaggerated due to the fact that even if Guild ever had adventurers in top positions these times are long gone.

Ideally it should have a more involved governing body where senior adventurers get into regional Guild leadership and could make adjustments to organization and size of payments (Also manuals for noobs and so on).

>>54052783
>It does not deconstruct shit

It does and you're a fucking retard who's so in love with the idea of being right that you're too blind to see it.

It's a literal fucking deconstruction. You get a scenario taken out of a videogame (heroes being handed quests and being ranked by "levels" for the purpose of accessing higher-level quests). This scenario is deconstructed by applying edgy, gritty logic to it which says that the "low level groups" are actually just being sent to the meat grinder with low chances of success, which is what the realistic outcome of such a situation would be anyway - since goblins continue to be a nuisance, but rewards for clearing them are unimpressive, no one bothers with them and they keep fucking shit up.

I don't think you know what the term deconstruction refers to if you're not seeing this.

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>>54052731
Instead of talking about some edgy schlock, read Vagabond instead

>>54052991
>You get a scenario taken out of a videogame (heroes being handed quests and being ranked by "levels" for the purpose of accessing higher-level quests). This scenario is deconstructed by applying edgy, gritty logic to it which says that the "low level groups" are actually just being sent to the meat grinder with low chances of success

In an actual deconstruction, that system wouldn't be in place.

The aim of a deconstruction isn't to highlight things that are nonsensical by making them EVEN MORE nonsensical. A deconstruction is a reading or writing of a narrative with an attention paid to what is nonsensical in that narrative and addressing this realistically.

In a world where grim gritty dark fantasy tropes apply to an aesthetically JRPG-like world in the vein of Goblin Slayer, everyone would be working on the MC's rules. The deconstruction element would be people treating the dangers of the word like real dangers, actually reacting to them, and the mood and behavior of characters not often reflecting what we expect from a JRPG fantasy.

See >>54051540
for what Goblin Slayer actually is. It's not a deconstruction, the entire setting is not actually deconstructing fantasy in any way - it's all just nonsensical setup to show how badass and special the main character is.

>>54053191
>I'm just gonna pretend that a widely accepted definition of a term is wrong and that it's instead what I say it is

>>54053275
>I'm just gonna sulk and not address the argument, that means I win

>>54053275

So as long as you're not the only one wrong, no one is allowed to correct you? The fuck kind of logic is that?

>>54053275
>widely accepted
Just because you spend all your time on TvTropes doesn't mean "deconstruction" means "IT'S GRIMDARK"

>>54053323
>I'm gonna throw a bunch of arbitrary assessments in a post and call it an argument


>In a world where grim gritty dark fantasy tropes apply to an aesthetically JRPG-like world in the vein of Goblin Slayer, everyone would be working on the MC's rules. The deconstruction element would be people treating the dangers of the word like real dangers, actually reacting to them, and the mood and behavior of characters not often reflecting what we expect from a JRPG fantasy.

It's like you haven't even read it. It's precisely what happens. But the bureaucratic adventurer's guild, which is far removed from the actual dangers, doesn't care about it. I don't know what more realism you need.

>the entire setting is not actually deconstructing fantasy in any way - it's all just nonsensical setup to show how badass and special the main character is.

You're equating the setting and the comic. The problems you mentioned relate to the comic itself, not to the setting.

>>54053404
>You're equating the setting and the comic. The problems you mentioned relate to the comic itself, not to the setting.
But then the comic still isn't a deconstruction - the setting might be, if focused on, but the comic isn't.

>>54050114
I think they are only shown raping women, I doubt they would rape a man.

>>54052991
Deconstruction needs to be consistent in its application of logic. So far, the only gritty man we saw is MC, and literally every other adventurer of his level (and below) is a stereotypical MMO / old school jRPG character. Which leads us to these possibilities:
All the other monsters are far dumber and less powerful than goblins (who are perfectly able to make modern-looking dud mines despite living in caverns) - making Goblin Slayer The Only Sane Man who was right all along;
All of the other monsters are even worse, yet we see none of the impact we should expect by that fact, including high-level fighters being realistic and sensible in their approach - which is only a partial deconstruction at best;
Some adventurers consistently luck out to survive until they become too powerful to bother with simple realistic tactical concerns, without anyone wising up like MC before that point, which makes the world just a dumb fucking mess;
Also, speaking about consistency and gritty realism - MC's armor is LARP-shit. No leather armor of such construction was ever used in battle, or even stands up to a cursory inspection regarding it's effectiveness.

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>>54053098

>>54053465

>anons, don't fight, Deconstruction-then-Reconstruction is a genre...

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>>54053555

>>54035111
>THAT GUY who played a Human Dex fighter with a longsword ended up rolling up a fuckbait Battlemaster Archer High Elf.
The only character who didn't get raped or almost raped will be the first member of the new party to be raped.

Pottery.

>>54053534
Vagabond is great, but people taking honor to dumb extremes is sometimes a bit confusing to me. Those deserters didn't have to fight Sanjuro, for one.

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>>54053573

>>54053554
>Deconstruction-then-Reconstruction
You really, REALLY need to get off the TvTropes shit.

Deconstruction =/= grimderp shit
Reconstruction =/= not being grimderp shit

>>54051604
I had my own criticism of it, because how does a peasant turned vermin exterminator in a medieval fantasy setting learn about water pressure?

>>54053617

Different anon, anon.

>but quit with the "heads I win"/"tails you lose" glossary war

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>>54053578
I felt like they just gave up, since all of their friends died and they were undertaking an awful journey, without any guarantee of their lord even making it out either. Either they took that chance, or they could go out on their terms fighting one last time against Kojiro

>>54053275
>>54053275
>widely accepted

The idea that applying grimdark to things is 'deconstruction' is not the widely held view.

>>54053691
But they did it just after reaffiriming each others that at least one of them must survive and reach their lord's lands. If that was actually a hollow, hopeless, ineffective attempt of desperate men to prop themselves up, then I kinda missed that.

>>54053709
But it is a common misconception.

>>54053404
>It's like you haven't even read it. It's precisely what happens.

No it's not. EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER except Goblin Slayer himself acts like they're in a standard JRPG world. It's not just restricted to newbies - the most recent chapter shows the folly of experienced 'barbarian' type adventurers in not wearing armor.

But in a deconstruction that made sense, the barbarian would be wearing armor, because the rules of the world would be consistently realistic in comparison to those of the usual JRPG setting; the 'deconstruction' would come in the barbarian character being defined differently from how we'd expect, because in a world that functions on grittier logic, they'd have to be. Instead, though, this grittiness only appears when the manga is trying to teach a lesson on how dumb normal adventurers are and how smart Goblin Slayer is - all the characters and all other elements of the setting act like the world is a typical JRPG one, with just GS standing out.

Maybe Goblin Slayer intends to be a deconstruction, but if so it fails completely at being one.

>>54053815
Hell, if this world made sense, 90% of experienced adventurers would be survivors of near-wipes by goblins, since it's apparently so (frankly unsustainably) common.

Nearly every adventurer would learn quickly to wear a helmet. Nearly every adventurer would learn quickly to use a shorter weapon or half-sword when fighting in caves. Nearly every adventurer would know from experience that goblins are a fucking horrible menace since they'd have experienced it firsthand.

A deconstruction approaches the things in a narrative that don't make consistent sense. It doesn't add more things like Goblin Slayer does.

>>54053815
>>54053896
Yes, and GS is far closer to shittily written YA novels than any honest attempt of deconstruction.

As I said, typical Squeenix shlock.

>>54053896
>Hell, if this world made sense, 90% of experienced adventurers would be survivors of near-wipes by goblins, since it's apparently so (frankly unsustainably) common.

Nah, if a goblin raid works, it *works*. Curbstomp, dead greenskins in a hole, survivors dispersed (and they'll break up into individuals GTFO if they can, it's part of their development cycle). Move on to better quests.

But there's always a chance they get you, even if you aren't stupid, and it's wall that a lot of newbies fail to clear, and a problem that has been getting larger over time.

>>54054072
Then literally every other monster type cannot muster the same basic tactics the goblins use. Aiming for heads while shooting from an ambush is nothig complicated, as is using any chance to catch enemy off-guard.
But so far even mid-to-high level adventurers are quite careless with their heads - even those who know what's up (dwarf).

>>54053769
Well, one of them died, then they each decided to just fight him anyways. Then old dude told the young guy to continue and live his life

>>54054159

There's demon-armies out there, and they get dealt with. The risk-reward for goblins is just *off*.

>>54054276
Dudes who deal with those are your typical heroic adventurers, who tend to get knocked out by goblin slingers because heroes do not wear helms.
Why are goblins able to exploit that but the demons cannot?

>>54054330

More that they *can* get knocked out by a slinger. But maybe getting killed for a payday is different than most likely not getting killed for not-quite beer money. It warps things over time.

>and that's interesting to people, anon

>>54054445
So the demons can't employ slingers or target heads somehow? Or adventurers are the types who are willing to take easily preventable risks if the pay is enough?

>>54054486

Clearly the second one. After all, if you are working a low paying gig you walk to work in your underwear because the reward isnt worth dressing yourself or driving your car so you would be on time.

>>54054486

Sure they take slingers. They field outright goblin armies. But the blanket chance to die in any mission you take has an initial cost that isn't expressed in the value of a typical goblin hunt mission given out by the old man npc, and is just a drop in the pot in getting involved in a demon war contracted through the guild. You're looking at this wrong, anon.

>>54054534
So, the experienced pros in a very dangerous occupation risk death lightly and are willing to trade safety for comfort. In a setting which is supposed to be gritty.

>Sure they take slingers.
I assume that means the demons do employ same tactics.
Why don't adventurers equip accordingly, then?

>>54030454

it's too about about the main character's general shittyness as a person I like his power of eating things and growing stronger

I like the World and its creature and the other characters that are in it for the parts I could read through

I like the general plot of being reborn as a weak goblin and taking over

but damn is the MC an asshole and not even one that knows it and is fun to watch

he's just an asshole

>>54054627

Now you're having fun being silly. GS is fun for being serious.

Think equipment depreciation. A high-level adventurer cannot economically risk death on a village-contracted goblin hunt. A low-level adventurer very much can, hell, they're free to be a TPK'd one time in two. A goblin-hunt is however more efficiently carried out, life-for-life, as adventurer experience increases (and teething mistakes disappear). Financially, very much not. The guild and the adventurers are financially optimized.

>again, this is interesting

>>54054739
You assume that demons do not use the same tactics as goblins - but then it's back to my question of why.

You also assume that giving someone opportunity to rapetorturemurder you is seen as fun, especially among those who get to experience those things very closely.

Then you say that buying a helmet, which is useful in every combat and is a first article of armor everyone tried to get IRL (even the most bumfuck poor peasant levies) is somehow seen as unacceptable expenditure in a realistic and gritty setting.

That anon who said it's basically a shitty Berserk were right. I do like how people defend murder rapes cause it's "realistic"

>>54054845

You're assuming that the demons do not use the same tactics as goblins. The demons use actual armies of goblins, anon. But newbs are newbs, poorfags are poorfags, RPL-DPL is RPL-DPL, equipment costs are equipment costs. Lost in all the sound and fury in this adventurers' world of epic struggles is the 1st Level Party vs. small goblin tribe for a fistful of coppers.

You're saying a lot of things that are absurd nit-picking and inventions.

So gobbos are literally more powerful than demons and shit but at the same time there's no reason to fight them, because they're low level fodder despite being demigods of rape. The fuck is this.

>>54054992
Poorly constructed setting.

>>54037437

I love Tensei Shitara Slime datta ken
which reminds me that I haven't read it in a long ass time

>>54054980
A fucking HELMET is the first thing you should buy, and one of the cheapest things.

If you can't afford a fucking helmet, or don't think you'll need one, you couldn't possibly have made it to high enough levels to get to kill demons.

>>54029673
where to read?

>>54052731
>>54053098
>1 or 2 katanas
>not 2 bokkens
Niggas pls, Musashi was too badass to use live steel, one-handed unwieldy wooden training swords, intended to only ever be used 2-handed were all he needed.
seriously I need to fucking read vagabond

>>54054980
Who was talking about poorfags? Mid-level, high-level, just experienced adventurers go on dangerous missions without head protection (as did the female party in the elven fortress episode. They weren't noobs). They get knocked out by slingers of one of the least powerful and cunning monster species. I left to scoff at writers. You get to defend it as an example of sensible risk assesment and economically-concious conduct of combat pros, and call stupidity that belongs on r/OSHA interesting .

>>54053896
To be honest that would be pretty badass.
>Veteran adventurers are akin to hardened Vietnam vets
>Always well prepared and extremely paranoid
>Failed adventurers fall to drug abuse and alcoholism to drown their sorrows and forget what they saw and did
>Newbie adventurers run off to their deaths with dreams of carving out a living as high flying adventurers running around and saving princesses
>Veteran adventurers rarely lead or directly help new adventurers as they are generally fatalistic and assume that the kids will probably slowly bleed out in a goblin spike trap covered in excrement

>>54055112
His bokken stint ended quite unfortunately despite all the badassery Musashi exhibited.

>>54054992

Ok, pay attention.

Goblins are not more powerful than demons. They are not more dangerous than demons. Goblins show up in all kinds of fights against the forces of evil. However, if you are an adventurer and are fighting goblins, there is at least *some* risk of death, small as it may be.

And If you are an adventurer of anything but the lowest level, that (albeit small) risk of death is not adequately compensated by what the unmodified market will bear for contracting an adventure specifically against a goblin hole.

This is economics. See the adventurers as depreciating equipment. The efforts of low-levels are cheap and can be thrown at a goblin hole until the job is done, high-levels are expensive and not be risked that way, moderate-levels take goblin hole raids risking a net loss, but do it anyway at their discretion but that they will isn't the way to bet- it's sub-optimal.

>the effects of this is what is interesting

>>54055166
>that's what 2ed D&D was.

>>54055118

We're given the warped logic of it, Clerk-Girl is in despair but her bosses don't mind.

>carribean sugar plantations made *epic* economic sense anon
>economic conscious reasoning can lead down some pretty strange and dramatic rabbit holes and dilemmas

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>>54055172
>I'm paid enough to bother fighting goblins, even though I'm past that level
>Fuck helmets, I've got my suit of armor and I don't need to protect my head against crafty little ambush-happy bastards that I know will take any opportunity to fuck me over. I'm a piece of depreciating equipment anyway, so it'll fine if they'll rape me and use as archery practice.

WHAT AN AMAZING SETTING, THE IDEA OF OPPORTUNITY COST HAS NEVER BEEN SO GRIPPING

>>54054627
>So, the experienced pros in a very dangerous occupation risk death lightly and are willing to trade safety for comfort. In a setting which is supposed to be gritty.
I'm inclined to agree with you that the setting is stupid, but people risk death and trade safety for comfort in the real world, too.

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>>54054992
REMOVE

>>54055336
The problem is that there's a huge dissonance between gobbos and the rest of the setting.

>>54055336
>people risk death and trade safety for comfort in the real world, too
Yeah, but at least they know to WEAR A FUCKING HELMET.

>>54055172
As someone who has never read the manga, I'm confused. How is killing goblins unprofitable? If goblins wipe a single level 1 party boom, that's an entire party's worth of gear. If a knight in full plate save the helm gets killed by a rock to the head whoever picks up that plate is fucking rich.
And, of course, if goblins are raiding towns, surely people would notice? Either they're not a threat, or they are, and IRL bounties on wolf pelts and cobra heads were directly proportional to how annoying wolves and cobras were, leading many people to take up farming cobras. IMO a real rpg deconstruction would have goddamn goblin farms where people just raise generations of goblins, cull some, and sell their heads.
If one person can hate goblins to GS's level surely most people would have some idea of the level of danger gobbos present?
It just seems like SAO/AoT level writing. High concept, but lacking in execution from what I've heard. Does it present answers to those questions? Like I said, haven't actually read it yet.

>>54055371
Well, that's exactly it, isn't it? A lot of people don't wear helmets in the real world even when they should.
Granted, those people are usually bicycling instead of going into battle, but I'm just saying that the way you phrased it was a bit unfortunate if you were trying to make it sound like "people taking stupid, pointless risks" was unrealistic

>>54055400
I have ridden my motorbike without a helmet, its more fun. But its not allowed here so I wear one practically all the time. Autists don't understand.

>>54055400
But anyone who rides bikes professionally wears a helmet, even if they're just off to the shops. High level adventurers not wearing helmets when fighting goblins sounds like motocross professionals riding naked while texting whenever they're not in a race.

>>54055380
Because in goblins in that setting are way more dangerous than most other monsters. High level adventurers who can fight gods and dragons regularly get slaughtered by goblins. Because apparently doing dumb shit doesn't get you killed when fighting god-tier enemies, but when you're fighting goblins the rules of the universe suddenly change to make it hyper-realistic and gritty.

>>54055400
False dichtonomy. Crashing your bicycle in a calm and peaceful town, and just happening to hit your head when you could have hurt any other part of your body just as well, is a whole different thing than a bunch of sentient humanoids deliberately trying to hurt you and so aiming to your most vital organ.

You can't possibly put these two on the same level.

>>54055434
tour de france riders use to not wear helmets ages ago. they have to now. People in general hate helmets.

>>54055468
And yet helmets are the single oldest and most prevalent piece of armor, the first to be developed and the last to be phased out of the battlefield.

Wonder why, if they all hate it so?

>>54055454
>You can't possibly put these two on the same level.
Well, that's good, because I'm not. I'm actually pointing out why they're different. That's not a false dichotomy, either, even if I WERE putting them on the same level. Actually, how the hell can you "place two things on the same level" if you're presenting a false dichotomy between them? That doesn't make any sense.
In other words, what the hell are you talking about?

>>54055452
But then surely society at large would recognise this and train up spec ops squads of goblin slayers if goblins are the biggest threat to the setting.
People generally notice the gauls or celts or vikings raiding their towns and slowly razing their civilisation. It's kind of impossible not to. And again, how is killing them NOT profitable?

>>54055541
>what the hell are you talking about?
I'm saying that there's risks and then there's RISKS. No one's taking pointless risks on a battlefield. You specifically go there to kill or to be killed.

>>54055593
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
>Granted, those people are usually bicycling instead of going into battle,
means,
>it's stupid to compare these two things

> Look at this veteran adventurer dying because he did stupid JRPG things in this gritty, realistic setting! See how dumb that is? Let us all laugh and clap each other on our respective shoulders while we marvel at this brilliant deconstruction!
Then how did he become a veteran? If the setting was always gritty and realistic, wouldn't he have either died long before becoming a veteran or learned not to act like he's in a JRPG? Did the world follow JRPG rules for years, only for the entire setting and tone to warp and change into an edgy one, leading to the mismatch?

>>54055626
Then why did you even bring it up?

>>54055648
Because the way Anon phrased it made it seem as though people doing stupid things even when they should know better, in general, was unrealistic, which it wasn't. It was really only a semantic point, saying, "you probably could have said this better."

>>54055645

yeah that part of the reason I don't read Goblin Slayer

that and am not a huge fan of Dark

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God bless this crappy manga for the comedic gold it generates in these threads.

>>54055645
See >>54050296
This criticism has already been answered plenty of times. Stop just repeating the same debunked argument over and over again.

>>54055786
That doesn't answer that criticism at all. It's a half-assed attempt to cover a DIFFERENT criticism!

I kind of have trouble wrapping my mind around labeling Goblin Slayer as 'Edgy' or 'Grimdark'

I mean, that suggests a uniform tone of serious, depressed angst, but that isn't what the manga is like at all. It's basically all comedy and anime ultragore fanfare, and the only time it seems to be taking itself seriously at all is when rape comes up, and even that is more or less handwaved as a commonality by every character in the setting except the victims thereof.

I mean, it seems to me like the hallmark of something being Grimdark is that it's so violent and brooding that it comes off as funny, but tries to take itself completely seriously. That's why people refer to later 40K as 'Grimdark', because it lost self-awareness. Goblin Slayer, as far as I can tell, never actually believes it's teaching a big moral lesson, nor does it focus a majority of its time on serious scenes; It's about 80% comedic violence, and 20% 'remind you why it's okay to be laughing at these creatures in pain'.

It mostly just comes off to me like people who call it edgy either haven't read it, or aren't very good at reading.

What's the name of the manga where the kid is playing a different game in class every day?

>>54055894
Yu-Gi-Oh?

>>54055786
That doesn't answer shit though. If everyone had to spend their low levels in goblin Vietnam everyone would know at least a little about dealing with them

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>>54055894
Are you talking about that 4koma with this chick and that guy who's always playing at his desk? I don't remember the name unfortunately

>>54055877
Because it takes the ultraviolence seriously, even if it has cliche anime comedy surrounding those scenes.

>>54055861

But that's what is happening on page anon. Some of those explanations are just repeating what characters complain about. And the post didn't say "warp" or "change", but it did use "deform". It was answering your question.

>>54055894
Tonari no Seki-Kun.

>>54055937
Yes, this one.

>>54055877
I think you might be lumping together two words that are commonly associated with each other, but that don't mean the same thing.

For example, I'd call pretty much any "anime ultragore fanfare" "edgy," like, categorically speaking. That might be suspect but I'm not sure why it should be.

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Might as well ask, what's /tg/ opinion on Helck?
Please no spoilers for people that are interested

>>54055984
Out of all this fantasy anime stuff, it's probably the least bad, barring Berserk.

>>54055939
Okay, so it's got multiple tones to it. That makes it pointedly -not- Grimdark or Edgy, which is identified by a uniform, serious tone. I don't really see how you'd take Ultraviolence 'humorously' anyways. The closest I can imagine is One-Punch-Man, but even they follow the same system of Cliche Humor surrounding Serious Fight Scenes.

>>54055984
Helck was really fun but the latest arc is a fucking mess and it's really obvious the author planned out a story beforehand, but didn't plan out how to actually tell that story. So many plot twists and expositional infodumps in a row, and yet almost none of it ends up mattering. The four kings were so embarrassing it was shameful, and Mikaros has crossed into annoying gnat territory.

>>54055981

That makes some sense- I mostly hear 'edgy' used almost interchangeably with Grimdark, since it usually refers to a character that is supposed to be 'badass' but mostly seems ridiculous. I guess I can see why people would use that to describe Goblin Slayer, but it seems like that's sort of the whole joke?

>>54055996
The comparison is slightly skewed by the fact that OPM's opening chapter didn't feature multiple graphic murder-rapes.

>>54056150
Or being stabbed with rusty shit covered daggers or killing baby monsters for that matter

>>54056150
I don't entirely see how. Multiple graphic murder-rapes sure is shocking, I can agree, but it's completely in line with what we're talking about.


OPM had quite a few extremely graphic civilian deaths as I can recall, let alone violence committed upon no-name heroes who lose before Saitama shows up. The only difference here are the sexual themes, but that's not really any more edgy than watching a giant Fish-Man-King spray the streets with blood as he smashes people to pieces.

>>54056269
How the protagonist deals with the situation and how the situation is presented drastically changes the tone. What you're saying is like saying Popeye and the Taken series are the same thing

>>54056269
>OPM had quite a few extremely graphic civilian deaths as I can recall
You recall wrong, there's no on-screen civilian deaths at all. People die, but they're purely numbers. The violence against low level heroes only gets graphic with Genos the cyborg, everything else is very standard shonen.

>>54056325

Well no- I'm not trying to suggest that the tones of the shows are exactly the same, I apologize if it came across that way.

I'm saying that the structure of the shows are the same. The implementation of the structure are wildly different. I'd say that where One Punch Man and Goblin Slayer both try to emphasize over-the-top-violence, they do so for entirely different goals; For OPM, it's to establish Power Level, to set up the joke for when Saitama inevitably defeats them with one good punch. For Goblin Slayer, it's to provide the reader with justification to feel Shadenfreude at these creatures being viciously, horrendously murdered.

The humor that either manga aims after is extremely different, but the road they take to get there is the same.

Now, don't get me wrong- I completely understand if Goblin Slayer doesn't do it for you. For a lot of people, the graphic violence and rape just puts them out of the mood for laughing or even feeling righteous indignation at villains being punished. I don't think the problem is with the implementation itself, though- I think it's doing exactly what it's doing with its tone on purpose, not as a result of being blind to the audience.

>>54056459
Personally, it's the world and the setting what does it for me, how well they work in context and how intelligent the characters in it come across as.

One-Punch Man does this well enough. Goblin Slayer, as discussed in this thread at length, does not.

>>54056424
My bad! I haven't read/watched it in a little while. I could've sworn there were more innocents harmed in the making, but it looks like it is mostly heroes and villains getting hit with the ultragore stick there.

>>54056490
Hey, that's fair. While I wouldn't put One-Punch Man's worldbuilding up any higher than Goblin Slayer's personally, I can certainly appreciate the sentiment of preferring a setting that you feel is cohesive and sensible.

I think I'm less of a stickler than I might normally be about the setting consistency of anything comedic though, really.

>>54056529
There is a single character who gets gory at all in OPM, and it's the cyborg who jokingly loses his parts all the time. The worst that happens is some arms get very cleanly cut off for heroes, while villains almost always get comedically splatted.

>>54056585
What? Nonsense! A lobster man gets his entire internal anatomy pulled out via his -eye socket- in the first chapter!

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>>54056573
>While I wouldn't put One-Punch Man's worldbuilding up any higher than Goblin Slayer's personally
At least heroes know to wear helmets.

>>54056616
That's absolutely the goriest the manga gets, and it's a lobster getting pulled out of its shell. It's something you can see in a family restaurant.

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>>54056635
Yeah, at least Heroes know how to wear helmets!

>>54056674
I'm pretty sure a lion-man also gets punched so hard you can see his intestines and detached eyeballs flying out of his torn-to-meaty-shreds body.

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Is it rape time?

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>>54056789
Not today.

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>>54055877
>My little /tg/: dismemberment is comedy
Yep, I sure am on 4chan.

>>54057019
Hey, South Park is comedy as well.

>>54056814
>Caska by ShindoL
FUCKING WHAT

>>54057023
U be sayin dat GS has the same presentation as South Park?

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>>54037130
>>54037541
Having such shit taste really should be illegal.

>being so autistic that you actively spend your time critiquing goblin slayer
It's an 80s action movie set in a fantasy world. GS is Arnold, everyone else is the dummy side characters. I don't know how you could see it otherwise. It's mindless, stupid action. I wouldn't say, "fun," but then I'd get a bunch of (You)s talking about how it's not. Just accept it at face value. It's not meant to be deep.

>>54058543
Have you ever even seen an 80's action movie

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>>54051540
I actually doubt how effective his tactics are & especially the whole "Gobs don't roll against him" thing. From the first few chapters, I see him hammering nails within a confined cave which'd likely produce echoes & against enemies who can hear. Worst yet, he killed some enemies who'd undoubtedly scream. Next, I kinda wonder if the elven fortress burning had any burning goblins escape through the back end & potentially light anything on fire with their burning bodies. Surprised no forest fire as he himself admitted that some may have escaped the fire through the back. Next, his scroll could have caused massive collateral damage if he used it against some goblin cave. That's a lot of pressure & might burst out the other end of the cave. Luckily he used it against an Ogre.

>>54035397
>Reality
Then the title character would be dead if Reality wasn't slacking off.

>>54058582
>MC is a badass killing machine, strong-silent type
>other characters serve as a way to facilitate this vision/view of the character
>various inconsistencies exist within the world but are overlooked in the grand scheme of things
>usually darker humor (Arnold impaling a dude with a knife and saying, "stick around" is one such example)
>the plot is secondary/simple with it being focused more on flashy instances of the MC doing cool things
I don't know, anon. Have you?

>>54058883
This is just so wrong I don't know where to start. Yes they have the same "badass killing machine, strong-silent type" thread, but focusing on the brutality of goblins is like the furthest thing away from Arnold Schwarzenegger movie possible. That would be like if there was a scene in Predator where he found a cave full of women being held captive and raped

The part about gods interfering directly with the setting is the thing that ultimately turned me off from Gobslayer. One god is jacking up the capabilities of one race, while another is focusing all her attention on one adventurer.

That's not how gods work.

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>>54053578
>taking honor to dumb extremes

The meta narrative of Vagabond is the absurdity or warrior culture. Which is appropriate, since it's set in the nation that created Bushido.

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The heroes don't wear helmets because it would hide their carefully maintained hair, and helmets generally look lame.

When given the option, do you bother with giving your MC in an RPG video game a helmet? How many actually give you that option? And how many traditional fantasy works actually feature their protagonists wearing helmets?

>>54059063
>I'm going to ignore the obvious parallels and say you're wrong without backup
>predator didn't skin a dude alive and hang him upside down, thus showcasing the brutality of the enemy
Sounds good senpai

>>54059319
Just about every JRPG I've played usually has a "Helmet" option on the equipment screen. It doesn't always show on the character but clearly it's there.

>>54059235
>The meta narrative of Vagabond is the absurdity of warrior culture.
Seems legit, but I haven't finished the manga yet.

>>54059319
>When given the option, do you bother with giving your MC in an RPG video game a helmet?
Yeah. Because helmets generally look better than video game faces.
Also in this universe I assume head injuries are a thing so why would they not wear helmets?

Is the idea that only goblins will go for your helmet?

>>54029673
>Wizard's Soul
Has that been fully translated yet? Because it needs to be

>>54059474
You just don't understand how deep the setting is. You need to learn to appreciate depreciating equipment that adventurers are, and how it makes the whole thing interesting, along with economics that makes goblins way too elusive for anyone but noobs and MC to consistently pursue and destroy.

BTW economic arguement doesn't really stand when you consider GS's pay and treasure he brings home. With a bit of wheeling and dealing a guy like him could make, say, a wandering unit of goblin exterminators, who get paid for protection and get to keep whatever goblins plundered.

>>54059474
I told you why they wouldn't. It would cover up their face and hair designs, and heroes don't wear helmets. Just like how it's unbecoming of a high level hero to go back to a level 1 dungeon and kill some 20 health mooks.

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>>54059319

>>54055233

You're an idiot.

Looking at the mass Adventurer battle in the latest chapter, they seem to be wearing helmets as often as not, 1-2 ratio at worst.

Of course one guy without and one guy with standing next to eachother both get their heads twisted off by a hobgoblin just as fast.

>>54058031
well you would be sentenced to life then

>>54059730
It's not deep at all obviously, yet somehow you still don't get it. Barbarians don't wear armor, and heroes don't wear helmets.

>>54059809
And so they get tortured, raped, and murdered. Surely, a low price for being a show-off ponce.
Also,
>demons being too dumb to use that against heroes

>>54059761

Or answering the question "why would people be so profligate with npc and newb lives", which wasn't asked.

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>>54059809
>Barbarians don't wear armor
Point at him & laugh.

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>>54059838
Listen, no matter how evil or how much of a dark force you actually are, you don't go after a heroes uncovered head and you don't stab the woman anywhere other than where her bikini chainmail covers.It's a serious douche move and the villains in other major fantasy works seem to abide by it, given how few of the heroes ever die by a blow to the head.

>>54059838

That's the bit that's blowing my mind here. The anon defending this goofy piece of shit REFUSES to actually answer that point, and has for the entire thread. There is NO REASON, no reason AT ALL, to assume that creatures more powerful than goblins are somehow more stupid and wouldn't do the exact same shit goblins do, but better, but somehow, forgetting helmet or armor at all hasn't got this veteran killed by things magnitudes more powerful than goblins.

>>54059894
The Emperor's pet pug probably wears power armor. We're talking about Tolkein-esque fantasy.

>>54059925
Name 5 standard fantasy works where the protagonist dies from a blow to the head.

You keep acting like the entire world of GS works on one consistent fantasy rule set, but it actually works on two simultaneously.

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>>54059929
Continue to point. Continue to laugh.

>>54059946
> standard fantasy works
> protagonist dies
Heh.
>but it actually works on two simultaneously.
Which is good why?

>>54059929
>Implying saga-inspired, low-fantasy heroes fought unarmored

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>>54060021
I don't know why you keep posting things other than barbarians to try and disprove my point.

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>>54060053
The laughter may never cease.

>>54059925

I think helmet-autists lose the straw poll to the other autists actually, not that I'm going to make one.

>>54059946

Standard fantasy protagonists don't die. Doesn't matter what kind of headgear they have. That aside, you're just admitting the world is inconsistent, then? Because that's basically been the argument this whole time, which might mean you're ACTUALLY stupid.

>>54060037
It being good is a matter of personal opinion, it just means that the work remains consistent within itself, even if some of the other anons here can't seem to grasp that. It's up to you if you actually like that method of world building though.

Aside from that, can you name any? Surely protagonists don't generally have impervious skulls. And they usually don't wear helmets. And they usually fight intelligent, horrendously evil beings. Which then of course begs the question, why don't these forces of evil just hit the protag in the head with a rock or something?

>low-fantasy heroes fought unarmored
But do they fight while wearing helmets?

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>>54060053

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>mfw poorfags don't have armor

>>54060123
Well, now, apparently, that's an amazing avant-garde move that challenges the peasantry to wrap their minds around the beauty of the concept.
>>54060138
>it just means that the work remains consistent within itself
Yes, an MC who warps basic tropes of the narrative around himself so it better serves to underscore his awesomeness can be seen as an organic part of a consistent world. Like putting a bunch of postmarks on a rock and trying to send it to someone via mail can be seen as an actionist work of art.
>>54060138
What makes you think they don't? Sure did in Tolkiens' works.

>>54060123
So why don't they die? If they're not wearing helmets, surely the main bad guy can figure out a blow to the head should do the trick?

The world is perfectly consistent, because it follows two different rule sets at the same time. The heroes, the people who would be the player character or the actual main character of the world, are off fighting the demon lords or training to fight the demon lords. They're finding enchanted gear and completing a variety of quests and helping a ton of important people. The people we see killed by rocks to the noggin are clearly not the protags of the story. They're more like the corpses of fallen adventurers and would be heroes you find in a dungeon. Someone had to die to goblins or rats in the starter dungeons for theire to be an armored skeleton laying there, right?

The actual heroes follow the standard fantasy logic: they won't dies to a stupid wound no matter what they wear, the bad guy won't exploit obvious weaknesses because they can't kill off the protag in a non-compelling way.
GS and the fellow lower level field grunts we actually follow in the manga operate on the rules set for mooks and npcs. They can dies from a stray arrow, or have their optimism crushed to set the mood, or leave behind macabre scenes for future adventures to find. Heroes don't need helmets, mooks do. Or do you complain when you character in a video game doesn't immediately dies when they get whacked in what looks like the head by a morning star?

>>54060271
So in other words, reality curious hinders just about everyone except the fantasy heroes.

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>>54060245
But do they? When a normal person thinks fantasy hero, do they imagine them with a helmet?

>>54060271
>Or do you complain when you character in a video game doesn't immediately dies when they get whacked in what looks like the head by a morning star?
Did I take enough HP damage to cause death?

>>54060307
Just as in almost any other standard fantasy work, yes. The heroes can wear anything and they won't die because they creator doesn't want them to. The mooks can wear all the armor they can find and they'll still die if the creator thinks it's necessary. In GS, you are not following the main character of a normal fantasy, you're following what would essentially be an npc or maybe side quest giver. Because he's not important in the grand scheme of things, he needs to be careful, because he doesn't have the plot armor of the actual heroes.

>>54060365
Not really. GS has plenty of plot armor.

>>54060365
So in other words, nothing that has any in-universe justification. No sort of set boundary between random starting adventurer & supposed important guy.

>>54060386
He has what could be expected of the character the audience follows. However, he still needs to wear a helmet and take precautions because he isn't the one maxing out their levels and gear to fight the demon lords, he's just a weird npc with a goblin extermination fetish in the grand scheme of things. he's the kind of character your MC might come across once, maybe help with a quest or whatever, and then be on your way to find a lost temple (or a lost frying pan, depending on your point in the game).

>>54060271
>because it follows two different rule sets at the same time
Is this something stated within the story or just something you're pulling out of your ass? You're asserting that the universe itself is inconsistent with how it treats people?

>>54060414
Well, if the random starting adventurer dies, then they clearly weren't important, right? They're the people whose bone the important people loot for some starting gear and maybe a note or something when they're also just starting out.

>>54060438
No, he's terribly plot armored. Plenty of this thread has been dedicated to pointing out the various flaws in him & the setting. From his helmet to his tactics, I don't see how he's having success.

>>54060271
>The world is perfectly consistent, because it follows two different rule sets at the same time.
hmmm

>>54060468
In other words, if they die, they're not important. This sounds circular. Important => surviving, surviving => important.

>>54060456
I didn't really want to go here, but imagine for a second you're starting out a new character in one of the Elder Scrolls games. Does your player character not follow different rules than the NPCs? They die in a few hits despite wearing better armor than you, and you seem to be the only one whose figured out enchanted weapons, higher than apprentice spells and healing potions. Clearly, you follow a different rule set as the hero and player character.
Now consider that GS is a manga that follows those NPCs, and some of those NPCs think that they're the main heroes (when they clearly aren't). So of course they aren't going to wear helmets, protags don't dies from not wearing helmets. GS is being called a mary sue in this thread because he's one of the few people we've met so far that understands that he's essentially an npc.

>>54060500
Well, sure it is, but that's how it works right? Both in other works, and in the real world. Was that African kid who just got shot important? They could've been, but instead they died, so clearly they weren't.

Those starting adventurers might have amounted to something, but they got killed in the starting dungeon so clearly they didn't.

The important characters are the ones controlled by the player, which none of the GS cast is.

>>54060488
Just like most other fantasy, the rules are different for the players and the heroes than the mooks and npcs.

>>54060563

That's a REALLY bad example, because a lot of the NPCs in Elder Scrolls have figured out magical gear and debuffs. If I had a dime for every time I'd been killed by a necromancer with ice magic slowing me so his skeletons could kill me, I'd have a couple bucks.

The setting is inconsistent. The goblins make no sense unless they become ACTIVELY stupid around the heroes, and every other monster in the game does too.

>>54060474
The criticisms in this thread have been unconvincing. The only plot armor he really had so far was having a gate scroll, and that was more of a chekovs gun than anything (and it also helped further the reader's knowledge about his state of mind).

well, getting this far requires a bit of plot armor, even if it mostly happens off screen.

>>54060652
But do they use the high level frost magic that only you the player are allowed to know? Do they have access to all of the potential perks, or only a select preset few? Are they able to fully smith their armor to the highest level? The answer to all of these is no (unless you use mods). Because they follow different rules.

>>54060657
Actually, many of the criticisms are pretty good. They make note that despite the supposed gritty realism, very much doesn't actually apply to realism. It doesn't provide any justification for the initial state of the setting, why the threat is both a threat & also not seen as a threat, the main character's horrible tactics & more. The rebuttals have failed multiple times to answer these.

Chekov's gun doesn't work like that. It's "If a loaded gun is in the first scene, it should be fired in another scene or there's no purpose in having it." It's about conservation of detail.

>>54060683
Get further enough in the game or DLC & you'll see some shit.

>>54060683

>Frost Magic

I mean, the perk system is exclusive to Skyrim, so outside of that, yeah. Yeah, they do. There's a few times it's a serious problem.

Look, your argument works (in that regard), you just chose a really bad example.

You're still completely dodging the core argument: the setting is inconsistent because the goblins ARE a threat, so they have to actively have *inconsistent behaviour* for the setting to function. That makes the setting *inconsistent*.

>>54055452
>but when you're fighting goblins the rules of the universe suddenly change to make it hyper-realistic and gritty.
This is literally (literally) what happened in-universe.

>>54060563
That's not how shit works & endgame level enemies are capable of some amazing shit. It's more to do with level like a lvl 50 player vs a lvl 30 enemy. It's far close to Final Fantasy where high level enemies can do just as many spells, if not more, than any of the player characters. Random encounters in the endgame can hurl just as many -aga skills as the player.

>>54060626
You know, plenty of things have similar rules. WoW players use skills which many bosses or NPCs share. JRPGs like FF have more exclusive enemy attacks but lots of those enemies use the same spells. Elder Scrolls is filled with enemies using the same skills as the player.

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>>54059319
>When given the option, do you bother with giving your MC in an RPG video game a helmet?
You don't?

>>54060626
Heroes often have an edge like a magic weapon or a blessing from a god or some shit, but that's not really the same as needing a different list of basic safety measures or enemies only fighting dirty against unimportant people. At best that's only prevalent in video games that can't support anything else, and embracing that without any sort of explanation is exactly why it fails as a deconstruction.

>>54060801
Again, they're a threat to the npcs, of which everyone we've met in GS is one. Goblins kill adventurers and farmers and all other kinds of people in fantasy games all the time, it's just that they aren't a threat to the player character after a level or two.

>>54060744
Chekov was also a hack that hated flavor and worldbuilding.

>>54060822

Gork and Mork took an interest?

>Or maybe it was just Gork.
>Or Mork.

>>54060989
Judging by how the original party was supposed to be, that's blatantly wrong.

>>54061010
That's not how Chekov's gun works. Detail can be added if it serves a purpose for the story. If it's something important or enhances the story, it helps. It's merely a way of saying "Get rid of unnecessary details who don't help the story". It's why each nameless background character in a TV show doesn't get a backstory.

>>54036857
Goblin Slayer at least pokes fun at the fact the protag is a tunnel-visioned autist.

>>54061099
You're watering down Chekov's original statement. He was a playwright and a short story writer and his point was that details that aren't relevant to the plot (not the same thing as to the story) shouldn't be included, which is just plainly daft. A gun on the mantelpiece is a perfectly fine detail to add when painting a picture of a place or a culture or a person without needing to have it ever go off just because it's a gun.

>>54061181
That's the point. A detail can be added if it has some sort of purpose. A red herring purposefully misleads. A decorated piece of furniture adds atmosphere & helps establish the scene & setting. An offhand mention to a reader-unknown legendary figure expands the universe. None of these things should be put into a story unless they have their purpose. A loaded gun shouldn't be loaded if being loaded never serves a purpose.

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>>54060822
Wait, do you mean as in a character or narration box actually went in detail to explain that as such?
Are you telling me there is actual exposition in this manga that states that the nature of their reality changes whenever goblins are in the general vicinity?

>>54061228
Again, no. You're broadening the scope of his statement. Chekov didn't mean atmosphere or setting or universe. He meant plot. And it's perfectly fine to show a gun being loaded but never fired in anger; this is already the majority occurrence in real life.

>>54061238

Light Novel. There's gods and shit. They dice, break rules, that old thing.

>>54061238
To my limited knowledge, goblin competence was a recent development by the resident God of Tucker's Kobolds or something and Goblin Slayer is a DMPC.