Can a tyranid population that is simply a planetary infestation

>>53978076
Yes, in one of the early battles of the Octarius War the Orks shot down all the Tyranid ships, but after the swarm won the battle on the ground it ate the planet and used the biomass to make new ships.

>>53978076
this is why the whole story about the blood angels destroying hundreds of splinter fleets pissed me off. If a single ship goes under the radar, and drops its guts on a world, it is a borderline impossible mission to shift them. Even Ichar IV is likely still getting a tyranid insurgency every once in a while.

>>53978076
Yes they can:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Octarius_War#Ghorala

>>53978160
>Ichar IV
There's nothing left on Ichar IV, the entire planet was levelled in the process of beating Kraken. It's just a giant smoking cratered rubble strewn graveyard.

>>53978160
Once tyranids make planetfall at all, that should be game over. Look at Ultramar, it's one of the most efficient realms in the imperium with the best resources and logistics and they still have to deal with Nids popping up every so often.

>>53978076
yes but they should establish either synaptic contact with another fleet of build up a strong enough local psychic network I'd assume

>>53978480
Yeah. The Tyranids should be able to just go from planet to planet dropping one termagant on each one, instantly winning. That's fun.

>>53978550
>dropping one genestealer
Fixed that for you.

>>53978550
That's not how it works nor how he was saying it should work.

They don't become a permanent threat just by dropping one termagant, they commit a fuckton of resources.

But typically yeah if Tyranids make planetfall that planet is almost always supposed to be forfeit. The fleet might be stopped there but in the process the planet itself is going to be eternally fucked 9 times out of 10. Macragge was pretty much the one exception.

>>53978609
Except genestealers are pretty cool.

>>53978615
Actual Tyranids read like all of 40k's antagonists: stupidly OP to the point of being dull as shit. They can literally NEVER lose.

With that being said, Tyranids are still much cooler than chaos.

>>53978704
>They can literally NEVER lose.
They can and do, it's just supposed to require massive sacrifice and expenditure of resources and ingenuity on their opponent's part. Stopping them should never be trivial.

>>53978550
I mean if we want to get logical, a few spores full of rippers into the ocean would do the trick. Hell, if we want to get really logical then all the tyranids really need is to send a spore full of those self replicating phage cells the toxicrenes emit, almost no force would survive that unless they detect it immediately

>>53978615
Macragge had the benefit of being a cold, rocky planet and the tyranids weren't there long enough for the whole place to start turning into a death jungle, and it still took them hundreds of years to clean up the mess. It's also a first founding chapter homeworld and the center of Ultramar, they weren't going to forfeit it unless they really had to. Most other planets wouldn't have gotten nearly that kind of attention

>>53978765
>>53978765
>I mean if we want to get logical, a few spores full of rippers into the ocean would do the trick. Hell, if we want to get really logical then all the tyranids really need is to send a spore full of those self replicating phage cells the toxicrenes emit, almost no force would survive that unless they detect it immediately
Not quite that simple. They still need synapse to coordinate if they want things to proceed in a timely fashion, and the phage cells alone aren't going to cause a worldwide apocalypse event. They'd be a dangerous pandemic for sure but the Imperium can deal with those alone, they have pretty advanced medical capabilities.

>Macragge had the benefit of being a cold, rocky planet and the tyranids weren't there long enough for the whole place to start turning into a death jungle, and it still took them hundreds of years to clean up the mess. It's also a first founding chapter homeworld and the center of Ultramar, they weren't going to forfeit it unless they really had to. Most other planets wouldn't have gotten nearly that kind of attention
Yes exactly.

Since we are talking about splinter hive fleets, what's a good name for a strain of tyranids that developed on a death world like Fenris? I like the idea that the swarm survived on natural instincts and regained connection to the hive mind after a few centuries

>>53978997
Jörgmungandr

>>53979052
Unfortunately already taken by a pretty major hive fleet

>>53978851
I dunno, ixoi was rendered completely uninhabitable in a day by venomthrope and toxicrene spores. We're not talking about a plague, we're talking about a toxic flesh eating cloud that not even space marines can survive in for long. Even if it doesn't kill everyone on the planet, the effect it would have at severely weakening their defenses for the main invasion would be at least as bad as genestealers.

But I see your point, there are many ways to counter that. After all, if there was one master strategy Nids could use to easily defeat everyone, they would have done it by now.

>>53978160
>>53978316
>ichar iv

wasn't that when Marneus was ko'ed by a spore mine?

>>53978997
Here are some norse beasts, just take one or make slight changes.

Nidhögg/Níðhöggr
Fafnir
Lyngbakr
Lindwyrm/lindworm

>>53978076
Sure.
If a sector is undefended you only need a small force to overwhelm the local and from there you fuck up every planet and rebuild a small fleet.

>>53978765
>few spores full of rippers into the ocean would do the trick
You know I don't think that would have worked on tyran.
I think I read somewhere the ocean there was filled with monsters that could probably kill rippers.

Now if they dropped a few larger things down and some stuff to make more nids once they were down there then yes. They could have taken that entire ocean then killed that small bit of land so fast kryptman never would have gotten his warning out.

>>53980187
To clarify it would take them a while to take the whole oceon. But then they could have overwhelmed the land in seconds

>>53978997
I'd use the name of one of the monsters spawned from the blood of medusa, chrysaor in particular as pegasus is not really threatening anymore.

>>53979052
>>53979208
Fafnir
Fenrir
Wendigo
Jotun
Nidhogg
Garm
Surt

>>53978997
Fenris already had a Tyranid invasion in the distant past... The Tyranids mostly died, all synapse creatures went extinct, and whatever did survive went feral, and (d)evolved into losing their link to the hivemind.

Same as Catachan really, that place got invaded by Tyranids too, all synapse creatures went extinct, whatever remained went feral.

>>53980229
to expand on this chrysaor has been both depicted as a giant man or as a winged boar and literally means "he who wields a golden sword".

on top of being a creature spawned from the death of another, a direct analogy to the splintering of a fleet, it provides name with sounds reminiscent to "cry", "soar" and "cryo"(in case you wanted the death world to be rather cold), the visual of an otherwise groundbound feral beast with the gift of flight, the one of a humanoid figure that fathered other monsters (perfect for starting a cult) and finally the golden sword can be an interesting visual trivia you could use on boneswords or other bladed limbs and horns, while not necessarily with metallic gold, some yellow designs/spots or powerfield-effect could be enough.

>>53978997
Charbydis

>>53980187
>I think I read somewhere the ocean there was filled with monsters that could probably kill rippers.

I seem to remember Tyran's invasion started with the slaughter of the sea monsters.

Fuck I hate Nids

>>53978076
Ignoring fluff fiction, and focusing on xenobiology, I'd say no.

Nids reproduce by 'digesting' biomass (including the nids themselves once resistance had ceased). This is then 'siphoned' into orbit by the Hive Queens and stored until the next target planet or system is in range.

The stored biomass is then reconstituted by the Hive Queens into whatever soldiers they want.

No hive queen means no reproduction.
No reproduction means no conquering.
No reproduction means a weak psy-signal so the fleets will be unlikely to show up.

It's why Genestealers are the preferred vanguard infiltrator for the Hive Queens as they can actually reproduce with literally any carbon-based local organism. But a genestealer infestation is not the same as a Tyranid infestation, precisely for this reason.

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>>53978997
Atrax.
<-meet Atrax Robustus

>>53980479
>No hive queen means no reproduction.
the tyrannic park experiment says hi

Tyranid fluff is pretty inconsistent. In some cases a group of about 4 rippers could logically mutate into a synapse creature and coordinate the consumption of an entire planet but in other cases rippers out of synapse just die instantly.

>>53982433

It's not unexplainable, wouldn't there be significant differences between Hive Fleets?

>>53982487
Not really, most hive fleets have exactly the same units that function exactly the same way but with minor resistances to weaponry differing between fleets. The only real differences are the tactics involved.

>>53980479
>Ignoring fluff fiction, and focusing on xenobiology, I'd say no.
>ignoring fluff

I don't understand what the point of all that was. Amphelion project showed they can in fact reproduce without ships. They were even able to make biotitans planetside, from an original sample group consisting mostly of gaunts, genestealers and warriors

What would happen if genestealers got into a galaxy where no one thinks they're a threat? Would they still go the whole cult route, or would they openly start ruling planets?

>>53980354
Unless that gets retconned, they're probably now both Leviathan remnants flung into the past.
Same with Ouroboros.

>>53978550
>this salt over full-retard british sci-fantasy wargame "lore"

>>53983705
FW is not canon. It's third party

>>53984920
Dude, the amphelion project is still canon even if we went with your retarded assertion that FW doesn't count. It's listed in the tyranid codex on the timeline for the first tyranid war. Barring that, the Nids still managed to build up their numbers on ghorhala without any ships during the Octarius war

>>53980264
Nidhogg and Fafnir are two extremely good ones, especially if the Fafnir hive fleet started as a splinter (a "dwarf") and grew to immense size through the consumption of precious metal-rich worlds, giving their carapaces a gilding.

>>53985043
Listened but not described.

>Nids still managed
that's codex propaganda each codex says their faction is bestest.

>>53984920
you really think that xenobiology is more canon ?

>>53978076
Sidenote, did anyone else try to close OP's pic with the little x in the lower left and then laugh at how weirdly computer iconography has trained their responses? It worked anyway because I could have clicked anywhere on the image, but damn. Got me.

>>53986031
Bl not canon only codexes

>>53986203
yeah that's what i think to

>>53980264
Wendigo has fuck all to do with Norse. That would be more in line with the Deathwing origin story.

>>53980389
I will see if I can dig up ma old codex.

>expecting fluff for bio monsters to be consistent.

>>53978076
Reminds me of the time a Skitarii maniple basically set the Entire upper atmosphere on fire, burning away all of the Tyranid spores dropping down, but leaving the lower biosphere relatively intact.

Of course, when they file the report of how to beat the Tyranids back while safely preserving the planet, they misfile and send it into the abyss aka Administratum.

>>53978997
Tanngnjóstr
Sæhrímnir
gaupaillaer
hafkitta

guenette or guenipe
10 internets if you get the joke

>>53978103
>>53978236
It also had a womb to produce more units. If the ground forces are too small, actually producing one womb may be out of their reach.

>>53984920
FW isn't 3rd party and is canon.

Besides that the nid codex has mentioned that hormagaunts isolated on a world spontaneously grow sex organs and start reproducing. Norn queens are the main nuds reproduce, but not the only way.

>>53985756
>that's codex propaganda each codex says their faction is bestest.
You're right, nothing is canon. Forge world and BL are third party and not canon. Codices are all propaganda so you can't take anything in there at face value. The truth is, everything is actually weak as hell. There's actually only one chapter of space marines and they just reprint their armor every so often. The imperium actually only consists of 100 planets. Imperial guardsmen struggle to field armies greater than 10,000. Orks actually can't reproduce by spores, those are just urban legends because it's entirely absurd for the imperium to imagine a force larger than them. Imperial tanks actually have paper thin armor and come apart with a well place lasgun shot. As least they would if lasguns were actually as strong as they pretend, the real ones are star wars blaster tier. Tyranids also aren't real, they're just a catch all for the various species of wild xenos infesting the remote corners of the galaxy.

>>53983705
You ignore fluff fiction because it's written by hacks that wouldn't be published in any other way. Do you really want to make backflipping Terminators canon?

Doing it any other way than hive-queen-only reproductions literally means there's no need for genestealers when a handful of rippers or gaunts will inevitably spell the doom of any planet with usable biomass.

>>53992659
>Doing it any other way than hive-queen-only reproductions literally means there's no need for genestealers when a handful of rippers or gaunts will inevitably spell the doom of any planet with usable biomass.
Sure there is, genestealers are subtle and stealthy. A group of murder beasts are at greater risk of bring found and killed before they reach critcal mass. Tyranids don't rely on only one method and have never been only norn queens reproduce.

>>53978160
Well luckily the tyrranids got shitty bioships that the imperium can easily deal with. But yeah, its when they actually get planetside or inside a ship that they become a terrifying enemy.

>>53993248
Tyranid hiveships are pretty much on par with imperial vessels of similar size. Most are just escort sized.

>>53993168
>have never been only norn queens reproduce.
Incorrect, in 2nd and 3rd edition this was exactly how they worked, this was only changed because of fluff writers.

>>53994133
3rd ed codex had the hormagaunts reproduce if isolated thing.

>>53992659
And we're gonna ignore this dumbass comment because if we don't, any fluff discussion about anything warhammer is impossible unless we're using rogue trader or headcanon

>>53994133
>the fluff only changed because the guys in charge of writing the fluff changed it
Excellent point here anon, you sure showed us.

>>53993248
>newfag has never read tyranid fluff

>>53994133
>in 2nd and 3rd edition this was exactly how they worked
Wrong, as early as 3rd edition (and I'm pretty sure earlier than that) Tyranids had multiple redundant forms of reproduction. Norn Queens barely even qualify, their job isn't reproduction, it's genetic engineering new strains. Once the Queens have created the code for those strains and it's been dispersed throughout the Hive Fleet they can be mass-replicated with ease by a variety of different methods, whether it's the hive ships geno-organs or the brood nests on a planets surface or the many many breeds of Tyranids that are born pregnant and replicate themselves.

>>53994586
Then explain how Tyranids were wiped out from several planets inculding Maccrage.

>>53994648
It took them 250 years to wipe them out from Macragge, with the help of the Blood Angels.

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>>53994648
I dunno maybe for the same reason Abaddon never reaches Terra?

What is it about Tyranids that trigers you fags so hard? Is it the breeders?

>>53990705
So sorry that a game that exists so that you can make your own dudes and have fun with them at the table doesn't give you the tools to properly win arguments on the internet.

>>53994704
Sorry I made a mistake, it took around 250 years for them to fully replenish all their losses from the battle for macragge, but only several years to scour all the Tyranids from Macragge (still a long time for Space Marines). They did indeed get help from the Blood Angels though.

>>53994763
Are you new to /tg/ or something?

>>53994796
The technology doesn't exist for me to make that reply to every third comment on every 40k-related thread at the same time, otherwise I would have.

>>53994763
On the internet you don't need tools to win an argument, you don't even need a coherent argument. All you gotta do is shout louder and longer than the other guys.

>>53994759
>Abaddon never reaches Terra?

Because he never tried to?

Tyranids try though.

>>53994962
Reminder that Khorne actually made it to terra in force but got utterly BTFO. At least the Octarius situation had an excuse to not win, this was just pure retardation on Khornes part.

>>53994868
I'll take "what is Carnac" for 400

>>53995070
Khorbe not Abaddon so what you said is not relevant.

>>53994648
a lot of resources were immediately devoted to it.

tyranids are very difficult to remove, but not impossible.

>>53995160
>what are the black crusades
>why is abbaderp heading towards terra
Man, they even said in those shitfests of lore in the gathering storm that abbadons final goal is terra.

>>53994868
>In life you don't need tools to win an argument, you don't even need a coherent argument. All you gotta do is shout louder and longer than the other guys.
FTFY

>>53996480
Only the 13th was about going to terra.

The rest of the crusades were about pylon and treasure hunting. I hope you get cancer for that deeply post.

>>53994345
Fluff and fluff fiction are two different things, you dumb fuck.

Fluff- background
Fluff fiction- fiction set in the fluff which often ignores the rules of the setting (Marines blowing the heads off carnifexes with grenades, backflipping marines etc.)

>>53997030
All WH40kid threads are self involved wankfests. there is no instance of any WH40kid admitting anything might defeat his favorite faction (except guardsmen, who their own players admit are a fucking joke) regardless of what is proposed.

Except the Culture - even WH40kids had to admit you can't defeat that level of insanity,

>>53994133
>Incorrect, in 2nd and 3rd edition this was exactly how they worked
This is outright wrong. There's several forms of reproduction given in both of those editions. 2nd was concurrent with epic too, which had dominatrixes as a dedicated ground based mass-birthing unit.

>>53994648
Sustained continent spanning bombardment, burning everything, probably some advanced terraforming tech they don't really explain much, etc. it helped a lot that macgragge was a cold rocky planet and the tyranids didn't stay there long enough for the tyrannoforming process to get too far. Some planets like Calth still have to deal with wild tyranids attacking every so often

Does the swarmlord have to come as this 4 bonesword walkrant? What happens if they world they're invading isn't suitable for this form, such as if they had to attack as a flying swarm, or a subterranean one? can they just put his brain into the body of another tyranid?

>>53978076
No.

>>54000836
Already proven false

>>53999111
I do t see why they couldn't. I also don't see why they can't make any of the larger creatures at least as smart as warriors, they just have to upgrade their brains a bit

>>53999111
This is part of the reason having a unique character for the Tyranids is really fucking dumb. There is no reason for it to only have four boneswords, other than four boneswords being visually appealing, but because SPECIAL CHARACTER it's got locked gear which...countermines the entire thing with bugs being hyperadaptive.

>>53999111
Tyranid special characters are dumb.

off topic, need ideas for what to arm my winged hive tyrant with. Scythe feet and...

1) Boneswords?
2) Lash and Bonesword?
3) 2 of the Slimey Deathspitters

>>54004665
Apparently, the good options are currently Rending Claws and any nondevourer gun depending on what you're trying to shoot at, with Boneswords and 2x Scything Talons being Acceptable.
So you can chop the scythes off the feet and give it hands there and a gun. Or give it deathspitters with bonesword bayonets. Or a venom cannon/barbed strangler with a bonesword bayonet and the other arm a bonesword.
Scything talons + another melee weapon is pointless and do not do it, they're too expensive for what you get and if you REALLY have to have them just use the damn dual scything talons.

What is the best loadout for a warrior prime and 3 warrior?

>>53986125
Ceci n'est pas un gif.

>>53978076
Yea totally
They just gotta adapt
And breed with the local population

>>54006420
depends what you want them to do.

Deathspitters with a mix of boneswords and rending claws is a good general purpose unit, if pricier.

dual talons are dirt cheap asault troops.

haven't tried them but swords and spinefists look like they'd be decent close range/assault warriors, +1A and 3 pistol shots.

>>54007903
No anon
Nids aren't for lewd

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>>54008821
How can one man be so wrong

Off topic but I figure this is just a tyranid thread. What new models do you think we'll get and what would you like to see?

>>54010340
for now probably just updating last few things to plastic.
biovore/pyrovore dual kit is obvious.
lictors/deathleaper probably as a single blisterpack with alternative head.

Shrikes kit that finally also gets us a winged option for primes.

otherwise there's not much more they can really add i don't think, nids have a lot of beast sizes and strategies covered already.

>>54010340
It'd be nice to get midsized beasties like shrikes and biovores and shit.
But you just know they're going to just throw more big fat giant things at us instead, ones that don't have any real purpose other than BIG NEW MODEL. Baneblade equivalent is almost certain.

>>53996732
If that were true, would any of us have the free time to be posting here?

>>54010455
>Baneblade equivalent is almost certain.
to be honest i could get behind a baneblade/trygon style GW-ing of the hierodule.

>>54010826
They COULD just use one of the already-existing biotitans.
Or, being GW, they can shit out a knight-sized carnifex, call it a <insertdumbprefix>fex, and that's that.

>>54011074
FW have established the hierodules as knight equivalents in 8e.

its an old sculpt by now and the molds could be wearing out soon.

>>54010392
>>54010340
they brought back the exocrine and haruspex, the tervigon is pretty much the malefactor 2.0.

i can easily see them redoing the Dactylis as a tyrannofex sized biovore that shoots mucoloid spores or something.

>>54011233
Yes, just making a hierodule would be the sane option.
This is GW though. It's going to be carnifex-like. It may even be called a hierodule, but it'll be a giant carnifex, because hierodules don't look like knights but carnifices do.

>>54011497
Hierodules and fexs look pretty much the same. Fex just has chimneys and is more upright.

>>54012824
have you ever even seen a hierodule?

>>54012858
Yeah, its got the same 3e-4e standardised body form, just a different pose mostly.

>>53980479
Wasn't there a lab somewhere, where they had a bunch of gaunts for experiments? They got loose and within a week returned with biotitans?

>>54012965
Yeah, Anphellion

>>54012965
Yeah, IA: Anphelion Project.

I don't think they turned into titans within a week but they got loose and managed to burrow into the ground and start mutating the plants to release spores and it just went downhill from there. Or uphill, depending on your point of view.

>>54013036
Im pretty sure they ended up with at least a hierophant