Warhammer 40,000 general /40kg/

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>>53943732
First for the best primarch

First for heresy

>>53943745

Indeed, the best primarch is a dead primarch.

Oh good drag the easiest home ruling arguement into the next thread

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>>53943745
Best dead primarch, best living primarch is here.

>>53943753
Too Soon!

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>>53943732
Off to a great start.

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>>53943758
>home ruling

I have a big event event coming up with some WAACfags. If I can stuff their Knight with this I need to know some hard facts.

Also, Plasma or Melta vs Knights with Scions?

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>>53943764
Not even close m8

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>>53943769
Saved.
Also looking for feedback on this list.

>>53943781
Also keep in mind that you only need two models together for coherency. So you can split your units how you please as long as they have a buddy.

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LION

FUCKING

WHEN
H
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>>53943792
Here's the unmarked template version.

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>>53943781
How are your Scions deploying? Last edition I had a friend grav chute in 3 teams of melta vets on top of my Stompa, shit was devastating

>>53943818
I don't have a flyer yet so I was just gonna drop them in. Or maybe load up a Taroux and taxi them around. Not sure.

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>tfw all the knights, wraithknights, gorkanauts, swarmlords and warlord titans in the entire world will never be able to kill a single grot in close combat if he is standing on a 3" podium

>>53943818
>>53943828
Is melta even worth it for scions compared to plasma this edition?
>deep strike so you dont need a valk
>rapid fire
>season with tempestor using reroll 1 order for that delicious risk free overcharge barrage
Seems like this is cheaper and frees up transport space.

>>53943732

Couldn't it just attack the building instead or did they drop those rules this edition?

>>53943840
Its not a building, its a ruin

Ruins have no profile so they cant be destroyed

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Got all my orks out of storage, and am going through and repairing any that broke or fell apart, then moving on to finishing at least a few of the projects I dropped around 6th ed. (when i quit playing). Been playing off and on since 2nd ed., so this is more or less all the crap I have to show for it. Not shown are a few old warbikes and boar riders (who I guess I'll count as warbikes, unless boar riders come back ever).

Anyone else dragging everything out for 8th ed?

>>53943840
It's a ruin not a building, you can no more attack it than you can a forest or crater.

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>>53943732
A possible interpretation of the rules

>>53943828
>>53943837
Ah didn't realize they could get rerolls and melta probably isn't worth it unless you're going to be on top of them

>>53943806
if we ever get the lion, they better finally explain cyphers bs, ive been playing on and off since 3rd, and i remember when you could take him in an IG army and it always bugged me

>>53943840
that isn't a building it's a hill or wall or ruin or anything thats 3" high.
>>53943832
I'm just going to put my model on the wall titled with the base in the air, because i can just measure from the closest point.

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>>53943732

>>53943849
what part of the "closest points of the bases" do you not understand

The base is ts the physical plastic disc, not some invisible cylinder that extends into space

>>53943846
i love the smile on whatever that vehicle is in the back

>>53943850
Its how I'm running my anti tank scion squads. I need the valk space for my Inquisitor+acolytes+priest+bullgryn drop of death and Armored sentinels can fill in as vehicle hunters as well.

Melta is just too damn expensive and short ranged.

>>53943769
Why are my Iron Hands brothers whining? What were they upset about?

>>53943859
The closest parts of the bases are 1 inch away horizontally. Where does it say you have to measure diagonally or vertically?

>>53943849
Diagonal line from base a to base b is the only reasonable interpretation of closest two points

>>53943732
And here we see anon's inabillity to draw anything to scale. Surely he must be a master of his craft.

>>53943869
Not being included by name in the Index because they have no Character models and Chapter Tactics/Relics aren't a thing until the Codex.

Also Medusa not being on the Galaxy map that had the homeworlds of every other Chapter in the SM Codex, even shit like the Crimson Fists.

It's come up in multiple threads. It's not a huge thing, though, probably the first tile to go when the bingo board gets updated.

>>53943876

Mate, you're the one raising the query, where does it say you measure horizontally?

Closest point implies in 3d space

>>53943862
Thanks. It was a looted wagon back in the day, I suppose (until a codex comes out) it's a small battlewagon or a funny enclosed trukk, depending on my needs. I might put some extra crap on it to bulk it up for the battlewagon role, though.

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>>53943832
doesn't work, the podium will still be the ground floor of the ruins. even if its raised.

they need to be in the upper levels of something like this for it to matter.

>>53943876
by your interpretation, a marine standing at the bottom of a 9" tall ruin can hit a model on the top as long as their base is 1" away horizontally

>want to get some used models to strip and practice painting on
>get Grey Knights
>realize GK only come in one color scheme
>don't want to replace decent paint job with my garbage

Fuck. Maybe I'll use it as an example.

>>53943844

Perhaps ruins need not have multiple floors and just be represented by giant piles of debree?

>>53943902
GW brand ruins have multiple floors

>>53943888
Now that you mention it that is pretty rude. Please mark the tile for me, I'd like to issue an official whine into the record.

>>53943900
GK can be other colours.
You don't need to stick to fluff established colour schemes.

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ez pz

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Rules discussion. Due to the wording of Word of the Phoenix does this mean I can soul burst any Ynarri unit, ignoring the restrictions of Strength from Death as it doesn't explicitly state units with that rule, just a friendly one.

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>one of these is 175pts
>the other is 200pts

>>53943934
he can only end his move on the ground floor. No part of the base can go above ground floor

>>53943792
Looks solid, although a tad vulnerable to Terminators.

>>53943934
seriously this.
this is such an obvious solution, people arguing its a possible exploit have to be trolling. No one can actually be that dense right?

>>53943764
That isn't Jaghatai Khan and you fucking know it

>>53943934
>on the ground floor of the ruins
Nope. That edge is not on the ground floor. Nice try though.

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>>53943913
Kek. You got it.

>>53943955
>this is such an obvious solution
It's against the rules. See >>53943963
You don't have to like it.

>>53943945
200pt one can deepstrike.

>>53943976
>i am literally incapable of reading rules

>>53943934
The fix will probably just be counting "the base" as extending halfway up, or all the way up, the model's body. I guess if you bug GW enough about it, they'll address it, since they're talking to us like a real company these days.

>>53943945
25pts for a pistol heavy flamer seems ok since both units have shit bs.

>>53943941
It was same in 7, Strength from Death allowed "non vehicle" but WoP said directly "Soulburst"

>>53943945
>the mini with the better statline and that has a situational regen ability is more expensive.

umm yeah ok, and this is worth mentioning because?

>>53943941
I would argue no by RAI. Since the ability states the target must not have already used a Soulburst action that turn, it implies it's only supposed to target a unit which can Soulburst normally. Seems like a definite oversight.

By RAW it works, but I think that's an exploit that GW will errata. I wouldn't allow it.

>>53943947
and he's followed those rules exactly. as depicted thats a single level ruin that only has a ground floor.

Is it even worth running riptides anymore?

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This is legal right.

>>53943900
You can make them bright silver, dark silver, goldish silver, gray silver, gray, like a million options for highlights which all will influence how the models look.

There are so many glazes and washes to choose from, how is that a problem?

>>53943990
WHEN

>>53943941
I think you could legally target any Ynnari unit, but then nothing would happen unless the targeted unit was Infantry, Biker or the Yncarne.

Now I have a question, if you take a Shadowseer as Ynnari, can you still generate the Harelquin powers or are you now limited to Ynnari powers?

>>53944004
yes.
knights can go on the ground floor.

>>53944003

Yes, as long as you support them with other units. List made up entirely of Riptides are what is dead.

>>53943963
The Ground floor is the Floor Closet to the ground FYI. Since there is only 1 floor it has to be the ground floor. No I would be all with you if they where on a 2nd floor

>>53944015
Noone expect Yvraine and Yncarne can use Reveneant.

>>53944015

That's a massive error if so, being able to target things that can't benefit is stupid. It doesn't state anywhere on the spell that it requires them to have that unit type either.

As for your question; Ynarri magic only works for Yvraine and the Yncarne, harlequins have to pick from their own magicks

>>53944015
There's nothing that gives them access to the revenant discipline is there?

>>53944026
"EXCEPT" fuck my typing

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Why ever take Maulerfiends? Holy shit.

>>53944020
But why run a riptide when commanders are superior

>>53944026
>>53944031
>>53944033
Holy shit I didn't even notice that. I thought simply gaining the 'Ynnari' keyword would allow access. Guess I cheated a bit on my first few games but oh well.

>>53943982
Did you forget the part where it also hits friendly models? It's the only thing in the game that does it besides exploding vehicles. There is also an argument to be made that it also hits itself since everything is assumed to be within range of themselves for things such as auras.

>>53943986
It also isn't a DT therefore taking up a FA slot, gets weaker after taking 2W, can't use its weapon after it lands, and so needs to make a 9" charge so it doesn't immediately die after being forced to dump it's payload.

>>53943947
The base isn't on the ground floor the bast is only touching the outside of the ruins and on the corner of the ruins ground floor, the knight is not on any level of the ruin.
>>53944001
Exactly the knight isn't in the ruins.

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this guy with flamer sponsons might almost have enough fire to satisfy my sisters purging needs.

Also deth korp rough rider squadron commander is sure to be a HQ right? All cavalry army an option?

>>53944041
>whynotboth.avi

>>53943945
>for only 25 points more, the Chaos one gets +9" of movement, +1 WS, +2 Strength, +1 Toughness, +1 save, 4 attacks instead of random D6, an AP -2 D2 melee weapon, the ability to regain Wounds by killing things in combat, a better explosion on death rule, does not suffer from Instinctive Behaviour, and for all that it only has 2 less Wounds (made up for by the regaining them in melee) and a more situational gun.
>chaosfags see this as a problem

>>53944021
>second floor 1 inch above first floor.
We terrain cheese now

>>53943983

So when the Skatach WK comes out you'd argue in an 8th Ynarri list it can soulburst with Word: Phoenix?

so what is it looking like at your local, point wise, 2k/3 detachment or the next one down? i havent played in a long time, and getting 3 guys to meet this weekend, just curious what you guys have seen

>>53944062
Not the guy you were replying to, but the Dreadclaw is waaay to expensive for a drop-pod. You have to use it in melee after dispensing the cargo which is too far away for a reliable charge, and it's low WS makes it extremely mediocre at close combat, more a distruption tool than anything.

Is it good/bad? Time will tell, but I don't see any reason to take it over say, a Rhino, or a unit that can deepstrike closer like Terminators.

>>53944062
Again, it can't do anything when it comes down, kills friendly models, and starts suffering penalties after 2 wounds.

>>53944079
My LGS had a 8th edition release at 2k points. It was pretty good.

>>53944079
We've mostly been playing 50-75 PL

>>53944079
My group has been slowly easing into the game, starting with about 1000 points so we can try out the stuff we want.

But other players at the LGS I've seen tend to play around 2k points. I don't think I've seen anything higher than 2500 being played yet.

>>53944089
>or a unit that can deepstrike closer like Terminators.
Terminators can't Deep Strike any closer and can't bring another unit with them.

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>>53944047
>that inferno gun
>plus can replace two stubbers with heavy flamers

hnnngh this is the big flamer tank I've been looking for.

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So what's the deal with this

>>53943950
How so? Deep Strike and getting the shit shot out of everything?
I can drop one of the Tyrgon Primes.

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Toppest
Kekking
Fuck

>>53944107
Yeah I guess you can do that RAW.
but no templates so why does it matter.

>>53944112
Maggotmancy seems like it would be pretty limited in scope
>Faminebringer
>He brings a lack of food
Diabolical

>>53944112
Damn they really are Spaces Wolves but ickier.

>>53944112

I find so much of the new fluff genuinely unreadable. My mind just kind of glosses over as it tries to translate back into 3rd-4th ed speak.

>>53944107
Vertically in a 3D space, escape being floors in ruins , are you people actually this fucking retarded

>>53944096
It can charge the turn it comes down, it doesn't need to shoot if there are friendly models within 6" so maybe just don't position it like a fucking retard which is not difficult with a 15" move, and it takes 3 Wounds to suffer penalties, not 2.

Literally I am not seeing the cause for all the whining. Tyranids run T-cytes and they kick ass. No one is even going to want to waste shooting on your drop pod, trust me. They're going to have their hands full with the Chaos Contemptor it just dumped in their laps which can be Warp Timed by a Terminator Sorcerer for guaranteed charge.

>>53944107
>The Unit must finish any sort of movement as a group.
A group, not multiple.

>>53944122
>He who turns up to parties without a platter

>>53944107
100% legal by RAW

>>53944107
Vertically is up and down, mate. Like different levels in a building.

>>53944119
It allows a lot more versatility in being able to distribute your models

>>53944126
The pic just demonstrates how they can be spread out in pairs across a wide area and still be considered coherent

>>53944107
vertical is up and down not across the street

>>53944122
Faminebringer the faggot that shows up to a BYOB party and drinks your booze.

>>53944112
Yeah it's literally reaching the point where GW are becoming a parody of themselves.

If they just adding the little trademark superscript after each name it would be perfect.

I almost think it might be an actual joke they slipped into the starter set just because it's some supplementary material no one will ever read in a few years once the Codex is out.

>>53944107
Vertical is up and down, Anon.

Horizontal plane is 2d. Vertical plane is 3d.

>>53944141
It's referring to only needing to be next to one other model for coherency

>>53944136
'Group' isn't exactly a precise word. You could say those pairs are in a group because they're more or less in the same general area

>>53944112
tfw they wrote this on the "bring your kids to work" day.

Toppest of the keks, muh serious grimdark BTFO, make way for G. I. Guilliman, by the power of greyskull!

>>53944136
It defines a group in the same sentence which these models fall under. Do things stop being a group unless every member is standing equal distance from everyone else?

>>53944126
You did not got what her was implying? 2 marines are in coherency with each other = both in coherency with "another model from unit"

>>53944152
>Muh serious grimdark BTFO

FUCKING GOOD.

>>53944112
This bothers me so much for some reason.
Why does this bother me so much?
I don't even give a shit if some of the rules are a little janky. That's to be expected. GW's rules writers have always been pretty bad at writing clear, concise rules.
But this? What the fuck, man.

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Thoughts on chaos contemptors? Full punchy soulburners, or mix it up with butchers?

>>53944039
>str 12
>2 extra wounds
> 2d6 attacks from lashes
Its a fucking mystry

>>53944126
>>53944141
>>53944145
>>53944149
>all these fags thinking it has anything to do with the 'vertical' part
Read it again very carefully.

>>53943858
Kek

>>53944103
Yes they can. Models can't disembark within 9" of enemy models, which means they'll be disembarking more than 10" away the vast majority of the time.

>>53943732
But the Heretic Warmachine has a gun?

>>53944144
No, they can't, it's a 2 inch horizontal, 6 inch floor to floor aka vertical. The drawing clearly depicts a street and two buildings implying that vertical is "North to South"

>>53944112
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>53944174
see
>>53944164

>>53944107
I dont think u understand waht vertical means.

Question:
I want to use new Lord of Contagion as DS rod for my nurgle demons, can them benefit from his reroll of 1s or its better to make him count as Typhus and use spells? I got 8ed starter and get started with nurge, with those awesome flies as well as second drone(best model)

>>53944174
FUCKIGN READ PEOPLE OMG

They are horizontal, they are in coherency with EACH OTHER from pair of marines, stop triggering me.

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anyone else build their models with a tiny piece of sprue under the feet

(I then use ground up sprue to fill out the rest of the base as dirt/rubble )

>>53944162
im gonna do butchers with fist, not decided on what side weapon for the fist though

>>53944171
...yeah no.

Listen. I play Tyranids. I deep strike multiple units every game. It's very very easy to get both the delivery unit and the transported unit within 9.1". You just put them side by side.

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>>53944164
>being fucking retarded in 2017

>>53944047
>16 inch range
>2d6
>+/- 400 points
>18 wounds
man am i glad i didn't go waac and buy one last edition

>>53944111
>deepstrike
>rape genestealers/zoantropes with combi-bolters
>rape carnifexes and hive tyrants with power fists
I had this suspicion before seeing an actual batrep which confirmed it. Consider investing in a Venomthrope to protect your stealers.

>>53944162
I go fist and chaain fist, with soul burners

>>53943846
Also dragging out my old orks. All 2nd Ed/RT stuff... Because I haven't played since 1994.

>>53944157
Ah, totally missed that interpretation. My apologies, mate. There's two ways that 'one other' line can be taken, and both lead to a logical error.

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>>53944174
Holy fuck you guys are dumb.

Not even the guy who made the mspaint post but let's try this again.

Ignore the vertical part completely and read this.

>>53944182
Do your guys happen to fight on a hive world made up of plastic model kits?

>>53944188
>doing retarded RAW comparison pictures in 2017

Autistic retards debating retarded autists.

>>53944112
I like it, fight me.
>>53944159
40k serious, I think those kids never heard of Doom Rider.

>>53944194
Not him but that's not even remotely how this would go down. The genestealers will be off the board with the trygon and the termagants will be screening everything on the board from charges.

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>>53944205
So in the example the 3 2 man groups of marines are not split up? You should try reading the entirety of a rule before pretending you found the next mspaint pic for your 2 hours of fame.

>>53944222
I DO C-C-COCAINE

>>53944211
The guys pointing out the RAW exploits are only autistic, the ones who refuse to acknowledge the letter of the rules when it's made explicit to them are retarded.

>>53944162
The ticks are better for melee, so either go full dakka or mix it up.

>>53944230
>this is called unit coherency
>split up units must re-establish its unit coherency
sorry anon

>>53944230

they are within 2 inches of another model of their unit, this is called unit coherency
perhaps you should try learning basic reading comprehension
this is RAW

Are purestrains in GSC good? I have lots of genestealers and I'm sick of painting, constructing and fixing rubbish termagant and hormagaunt casts. They are just the worst. Wouldn't mind doing a few humans for a change. But it's not worth it if purestrains aren't a worthwhile unit.

>>53944230
Where do the rules define "group" beyond the two inch limit? I consider squads to be a group.

>>53944205
>One other model of the unit.
>Not one model of the unit.
>RAWfags can't grasp what 'Other' means.

>>53943900

Black is a (rare) canon alternate color scheme for GKs

>>53944245
The letter of the rule is
>a unit
Not
>the units
A unit is the entirety of the group of models not the imagined units you make with you 2 man split ups, they do not form new units

>>53944112
>Malignant Plaguecaster
HERE, HAVE SOME OF NURGLES EXTRAORDINARY DISEASES.
>Cadaverous Faminebringers
IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF YOUR LIVESTOCK PERISHES AND ALL YOUR HARVEST FAIL.
>Slopmaw Maggotmancer
JUST LOOK AT ALL THESE CORPSES, PERFECT HIVES FOR THE MAGGOTS AND MUTATED FLIES OF NURGLE TO SPOUT FROM.
>Festering Poxshamans
POX FOR EVERYONE!

Kinda fits if you ask me.

>>53944131
It needs a 9" charge when it comes down. Also, why wouldn't my opponents shoot the 200pt giant target with no defenses? A single predator with lascannons will kill it in one round while only costing 7 more points. I've already had it happen. Don't worry, my Hellbrute died too.

>>53944257
I had no idea but that sounds tight as fuck.

Shameless repost.

Question:
I want to use new Lord of Contagion as DS rod for my nurgle demons, can them benefit from his reroll of 1s or its better to make him count as Typhus and use spells? I got 8ed starter and get started with nurge, with those awesome flies as well as second drone(best model)

>>53944248
>I'm sharing a board with someone dumb enough to make this post

>>53944261
no, but the 2 man squads are within 2 inches of a model of their unit, and thus they are RAW in unit coherency , it doesn't matter if there is a mile between those 2 dudes and 2 other squadmates

>>53944255
Space Marine A is within 2" of Space Marine B, who is one OTHER model.

Space Marine B is within 2" of Space Marine A, who is one OTHER model.

Both are in unit coherency.

Space Marines C and D do the same thing, on the other side of the board. They are, by RAW, all in unit coherency.

>>53944244
Ticks?

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>>53944272
So we're back to ignoring that a unit is defined as the entirety of the group again. Guess I'll just have to ask people their interpretation of the rule before playing them to make sure they aren't a /tg/ autist

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Best Army or Bestest Army?

>>53944275
What if it's intentional?

You know it's weird how like every second paragraph has a hole to be exploited or questioned and yet everyone unanimously loves or prefers the new edition.

>>53944275
>>53944248
>>53944107
>number of people who will actually try to do this: zero
this isn't even something lacking in clarity, it's just being autistic enough to spend enough time thinking of ways the rules could be misinterpreted that you eventually come up with some bullshit that will never happen in a real game, ever

>>53944275
Space Marine A is within 2 inches of SM B. All good.
Space Marine B is within 2 inches of SM A, but no OTHER unit.

Not in coherency.

Of course the issue with this is when you get to the last one they aren't in coherency either. So either interpretation is flawed.

>>53944289
0/10 they need a strong leader not just some weak ass primaris psykers

>>53944287
We recognize that its ridiculous and open to abuse. That's why we're bringing attention to this short-sight and making fun of it.

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>>53944163
>better than guaranteed 6" advance, WS3+, and 8 S10 Ap-3 D3 attacks that become 10 if there is enemy infantry within 1"
>all for 1 less point
Yes it's a mystery.

>>53944225
Only 30 termagants won't shield his entire backline. And even the termagants will die in like a turn to storm/combi bolter fire.

>>53944186
Fair enough, though I still find the thing overcosted. It might just be that I'm not a fan of tough units with shit offensive power, I don't like defilers for that same reason.

>>53944289
It's stupid, unfluffy (unless Terra Assassin temple revolt), and boring to play against

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What do you guys think of this list?

>>53944047

Has the FW book for guard out? Cause it doesn't appear to be in the mega.

rulefags are fucking retarded what's new

>>53944291
Still much better than 7th. Also most people aren't tryhards who exploit every hole.

Anyone else stopped collecting since it was revealed that GW is profiting from Brexit?

Feels so unethical to support any company that makes money from poverty.

>>53944313
how is GW profiting from Brexit?

>>53944291
That's because 7th was the same way but was about 80 pages longer so there were 10x more holes and exploits. Also the balance was unbelievably worse, and the games were slower and less dynamic and took longer to play.

These issues with 8th will be hammered out by Christmas and once people start getting their Codexes I think this really will be the best edition of the game ever. And I've been playing since the very beginning.

>>53944251
Genestealers are useless for both.

>>53944297
SM B is in coherency with A, who IS model from their unit and are "other" than themself (SM B)

>>53944313
Oh wow, I can't believe it's the anarchocommie baiting again!

>>53944210
they're spacers so that after you glue sand or whatever on the base the minis feet are still ontop of the surface, instead of being sunk in as if alll your dudes are walking through quicksand.

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played my first game of 8th, 750 pts orks vs space wolves. I got smashed as orks, but we had a no proxy rule and my list was awful. really enjoyed it though.

>>53944313
>He didn't want to leave the den on neoliberals that is the EU.

>>53944269

>Earlier portrayals show the Chapter's Aegis Armour as being black, with ornate silver gauntlets, shoulder plates, and decorations with the Chapter symbol displayed in gold.

>>53944312
Yeah I know 99.9% of people won't actually exploit holes like Celestine spam or unit coherency, or even enforce stuff like -hit modifiers taking place after checking for rerolls.

But it's still funny that 7th was really that bad and the changes are good enough to put up with the messy rules and unit cards that clearly weren't proof read.

>>53944313
I've started buying directly from GW since I learned this

>>53944313
What brexi have with poverty? Cos they dont want to get hordes of ppl from middle east to fill their country like rest of EU?

>>53944327
>he doesnt want cucked by the horde of mudslime

>>53944334
My only reason for hunting for badly worded stuff is that its confusing for new players who aren't used to how the game plays RAI.

>>53944293
I'm like legitimately going to do it tomorrow because it's completely legal and ducking hilarious.

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>>53944300
>>53944304
What about this one?

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>>53944326

>>53944319
Are you fucking retarded or are you a butthurt gunline player trying to convince people not to run genestealers so there's one less nid player in the world to bend you over the table and rape you for your shitty deployment choices

>>53944251
geneatealers are great, fast CC units with a pile of rending attacks.
T4 5++ is decently surviveable as far as infantry goes.

>>53944313

wtf I love games workshop now?

>>53944334
Anon the problem is they, like every edition, don't expect fucking autists to twist the English language until the rule is completely different. If they had to sit there and make examples of every rule the 10 page rulebook would be fucking 80

>>53944345
1. Negative CP therefore illegal
2. NPC race

>>53944334
>or even enforce stuff like -hit modifiers taking place after checking for rerolls
This one will happen, it's the opposite of the two exploits you listed before that. It's how the game is intended to play.

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>>53944284

>>53944321
Other implies a different model. If A is already in cohesion with B, B would need a different model - C - to be in cohesion. Hence other, rather than just 'one model'. The 2 by 2 interpretation espoused above is ignoring the meaning of the word other by seemingly implying that one model could be in coherency with itself if the word other was dropped.

Again, it's retards all the way down.

>>53944297
So you're arguing that all models in a squad have to be within two inches of every other model or it isn't in coherency? That's literally physically impossible so can't possible be correct. The wording says nothing about being close to multiple models, only a model.

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so silly question, but again, first game of 8th, our only issue was

flamers in overwatch
do they get to overwatch?
i assumed they would ignore the -1 to hit being autohit, but my friend took the RAW as saying you 'can only hit on a 6+' meaning if the situation doesnt allow you to do a roll, you cant do it.

>>53944352
Ok cool. So transitioning to GSC just so I don't kill myself with the thought of doing anymore bugs is a good idea?

>>53944366
Oh those. Well, I don't have any of those.

>>53943732
Thanks to whoever bought the epubs/pdsf from warhammer digital to put them on here. I'm infinitely grateful.

>>53944326
>>53944348

The fog is so silly, yet so great at the same time. How do you make it, dry ice or something?

>>53944291
that's because it doesn't
one autist spent weeks analyzing the rules to come up with one thing that's an exploit if you try your hardest to misinterpret it, and no one real will ever try to do it
the rest of the "flawed rules" mspaint memes are literally just illustrations of the rules functioning as written and intended
it's literally just some buttmad warmahordes player trying their hardest to make 8th ed look bad so all their friends won't go back to 40k now that it's finally not shit

>>53943945

>Dreadclaw may act as a transport
>If it drop pods you must immediately disembark

Bizzare.

>>53944380
No, they autohit on overwatch.

>>53944334
I like 7e more than this bland shit with 1 discipline with 3 fucking psy powers and 3 warlord traits (instead of 4 tables of 6 only in CORE 7). Feels like kindergarden edition.

But in practise it takes alot less time and you can finish a game without taking a whole day.

>>53944380
Yes you can shoot flamers in overwatch but only if the unit charging you is within range.

They hit automatically still.

>>53944313
And suddenly I respect GW.

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>>53944313
Oh boy here we fucking go.

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>>53944385
my housemate came out with his 'sub-ohm' vape. it made for some great pre-battle shots but set off the fire alarm
>>53944388
>>53944390
thanks

>>53944359
Negative CP is not illegal. The FAQ means you can't have negative CP to begin with.

>>53944371
>B would need a different model
No. They can validate each other. That's how the rules are written. You're adding headcanon home brew.

>>53944389
Anon, holy shit, how many times do you need told.

Indexes are TEMPORARY. More faction specific stuff will come in codexes.

Unless you'd have preferred they release codexes one at a time and only those coeexes could play.

>>53944398
CP is always illegal.

>>53944383
plus pretty sure only khorne can use em >>53944366

>>53944344
I don't believe you, no one is that retarded

>>53944386
No there are a fair number of exploits and problems that should be called out and addressed.

This is the best edition of 40k because players called GW out for how shit last edition was and demanded they make a better game, not because we sucked their cocks.

They deserve credit for 8th being a huge improvement but that doesn't mean it can't still be improved. Don't get so defensive about people criticizing the parts that are still bad, that's how we get GW to pay attention and fix them in the next go so the game continues to get better.

>>53944307
dunno, thats from the warhammer community preview article.

>>53944404
Top kek

>>53944055
Because you can run 2 commanders instead of 1 riptide

>>53944378
An other model. So A is 2 from B, B is 2 from C, C is 2 from D.

Following?

The problem there is when you get to J, there's no K to be in cohesion with. Either way, the wording has a flaw.

>>53944406
>no one is that retarded
Using a funny loophole is retarded? It's not even an advantage for me.

>>53944343
I expected as much, I assumed this kind of exploit hunting was all in good fun and/or doing their job for them. Someone has to proof read and playtest shit, and if they don't then the players will.

>>53944363
I honestly doubt that. It's a weird twist of logic that makes things needlessly complicated and weird in a way that is not immediately obvious and has to be explained to every person who plays at some point, in an edition where they are trying to cut down on that. Even if they say it totally is intentional I'm sure it will be fixed eventually anyway and no one I know will enforce it now, and MAYBE will if they double down on it.

>>53944363
Except not.
Its a loophole that prevents you from rerollign a miss because it would be a hit at the time when check is made.

>>53944383
You should, they're the best CC vehicle point for point.

>>53944356

Or, they could just word the rules better, take the wu tang clan BS for an example, if they had gone with Chapter[x] instead of [Chapter] that loophole would have never existed. That's literally increasing the book size by one character per use of the term, if it gets used twice per page in a 50 page book, thats only 100 characters.

This post is 365.

>>53944041
Riptides are very fast and have great defenses, which makes them very good aggressive harassing units. Pull the enemy out of position and bait heavy weapons shots

>>53944426
I don't think you understand, if they """"fix"""" it it causes even worse issues by applying modifiers before re-rolls. That's why they did it this way.

>>53944402
I dont care.
Should of been free update in this case.

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>>53944344
>single marine dies
>entire unit becomes stationary for the rest of the game

>>53944062
Why are you comparing two units that are in totally different factions

>>53944423
>an other model
A is an "other model" than B
B is an "other model" than A
That's how it works by RAW and the English language. You don't have to like it but you do have to accept it.

>>53944428
It's not a loophole. GW explained in excruciating detail that they did this on purpose to prevent weirder things from happening if they resolve them in the opposite order.

They know exactly what's happening and it was very intentional.

>>53944399
Then why is it worded 'within 2 inches of one other model in the unit' and not 'within 2 inches of one model in the unit'?

>>53944426
The core rules explicitly state you apply modifiers after re-rolls. Why would they fix something they clearly did on purpose.

It's not even a weirdly worded interpretation, the rules outright say you do it that way.

>>53944440
If you paid for any books, ever, you're Amish or a retard

>>53944436
All it takes to fix it is to change re-roll abilities to "reroll any number of die" or for 1's "reroll any die that is a 1 or lower".

>>53944440
>Waaaah give me free shit.

Grow up, Anon.

>>53944421
>not running 2 commanders and 1 riptide

>>53944407
I get what you're saying, and I would agree with you, but I haven't seen anything resembling "exploits." The only real issue, aside from some scattered typos and a few rules that could've been worded more clearly, is that hordes are possibly a little too strong now.
>No there are a fair number of exploits and problems that should be called out and addressed
Not trying to be a dick, but can you name some?

>>53944445
Why are you replying to me and not the guy I was replying to who started comparing them.

>>53944423
No? A is 2" from B (B is other model than A)
B is 2" from A (who is other model than B)
Never rule says anything about 3rd model, its basic English.

>>53944456
GW stated in the faq dice can never go below one, and honestly saying you can reroll any die that is a 1 wouldn't help because that wording makes it seem to apply only to dice rolls instead of the modified result.

>>53944387

I'm actually thinking it might be better to start them on the table instead. Set up as close as you can, move 15" and assault. Next turn, drop your load and get busy.

>>53944428
It's not a loophole, it's both RAW and RAI.

>>53944450
So that it can't count itself obviously. It would be allowed to under that phrasing.

>>53944441
Top kek.

I'm painting an old ork army I've had for a few years. Do I need to buy an ork codex to play?

>>53944441
It's going to be magnificent anon.

>>53944441
I'll let people try the 2 man units just so i can point this out. Enjoy getting destroyed from me killing a single dude per unit.

>>53944448
Except you're double counting. They state you need an other model in cohesion, you can't bounce back and forth - B is the 'other' of A. B needs it's own 'other'.

other
ˈʌðə/Submit
adjective & pronoun
1.
used to refer to a person or thing that is different or distinct from one already mentioned or known about.

>>53944456
>be your method
>model has BS 3+
>shoots at an enemy that gives -1 hit penalty while in range of a friendly aura that lets him re-roll 1's
>rolls a 2, applies the modifier
>it counts as a 1
>apply the re-roll
>re-rolls to a 3
>the 3+ hits because the modifier was already applied
>what should have been hitting on a 4+ became hitting on a 3+ re-rollable
>enemy hit penalty ability became a buff for you
No.

>>53944112
Its like they write this shit using a nurgle name generator

Poxrotten Diseaseflinger

Malevolent Filthspreader

>>53944457
Enjoy being cucked, tool.

>>53944505
You could do it with three models in that case,

>>53944453
Because it's just unintuitive as fuck for an ability that says "reroll all misses" to actually be "reroll all misses unless you would hit without a negative modifier and a negative modifier would make you miss, then just reroll the misses that miss before modifiers"

>>53944161
Because adjectives are ours. They're a way for the author to provide their piece.

You can't have a "whining foetid bloat drone" without breaking some rules of writing.
So basically, nobody is allowed to reinterpret the units in any way. The poxshamans will always be festering and never be pestilential.

53944513
> t. entitled millennial

>>53944289
I can see no conscripts in this "best" list.

>>53944402

Quite impressive how GW went from £25 for a rulebook and £12 for a codex to the current situation, now you need a £40 rulebook, a £30 codex except half your units are in a £20 supplement, and your latest units and formation of choice are in a £35 campaign book (part 2 of 3). I can't believe people fall for it. Sure there's us on /tg/ with our MEGA links but we're the minority.

>>53944505
>B is the 'other' of A. B needs it's own 'other'.
Nope. B can use A as its other. There's nothing in the rules or the English language that prevents it. They are different from each other.

It obviously need to be fixed anon but you are legitimately wrong here. You're making up limitations that don't exist.

>>53944503

Isn't the point that you move out only the models with special weapons, and then let the guyswithout stand back on a objective, preferably with a HQ that buffs the roaming specialweapons.

>>53944505
unit of 5
A in coh with B
B in coh with C
C in coh with D
D in coh with E
E in coh with none other than those above.

No unit in the game can move.

>>53944397
Isn't that what vapes are supposed to not do?

>>53944182
Im using small pieces of old credit or royalty cards to glue under the feet. Usually that's enough so they don't appear to be sinking into the sand I'm normally using for the bases.

>>53944313
wtf i love brexit now

>>53944527
Ooh, someone mark down
>dies to conscripts
On the bingo board!

Seriously though I agree with you. Conscripts are rad.

>>53944507
Fine, the 1's rule just says "reroll rolls that are a 1 before modifiers" and the reroll all misses is either "reroll any number of die" or "reroll all misses after modifiers".

>>53944486
But that's a logical fallacy. If a model could be within 2" of itself for unit cohesion, then unit cohesion wouldn't be a factor in the game. Ergo your conclusion is spurious. What other reason could they have for not wording it 'one model in the unit'?

Answer: because with that language you could get the 2 marine unit coherency setup. By stating other it clears that - you can't backtrack because 'other' literally means zomething seperate to what has already been counted - and since unit coherency is done as a single element for the whole unit, it means A can count B, but B can't count back to A.

How does wound allocation work with units in 8th?

I know the weapons with more than 1 Damage only get applied to one member of a unit.

>>53944334
>or even enforce stuff like -hit modifiers taking place after checking for rerolls.
This will definitely happen.

They even FAQ'd it

>>53944551

Read the rules you mugwump

>>53944535
So you're saying that single-man units can never move?

>>53944550
It's silly but it's RAW anon. It's obviously not intended.

Which unit benefits from Strength from Death the most, if was planning on just taking Yvraine and a unit of that model

>>53943769
Speaking of which, why is Typhus cheaper than the Lords ? Benefit of being an unique named character, GW fuck up or am I missing something the Lord has ?

Also can we get this bingo board without markings for future use ?

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Explain this to me like I'm retarded
How do they look? Does this bode well for Krieg armies?

>>53944551
say you score 5 wounds against infantry
your opponent chooses who in the squad the 5 wounds assign to (incase he has one with an invuln save or something)

the wounds are saved against, and any that dont get saved do X damage, be it 1, or d3, or d6 et cetera

damage does not 'splash' between models.
so one guardsman can absorb a 1-wound attack that does 999 damage.

think of it like

high wound count- anti infantry weapon
low wound count, but high damage- anti vehicle/character

>>53944547
It's a lot of extra text and there might be other weird examples that crop up from that as well.

Just trust that these guys mathed this all out and tried every version over the 18 months of development and concluded that re-rolls before modifiers was the lesser evil of the other possible methods. It's a slight buff to abilities that give enemies negative modifiers versus re-rolls. Big deal.

>>53944520
Same issue, A gets B gets C, but C needs a D.

So from the first model in a unit to the last, you can trace a 2" cohesion chain.

Again, the issue is when you get to the last one.

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>Yfw Guilliman triggered the Ad Mech's autism.

>>53944579
They're good in comparison to regular rough riders.

>>53944579
link to DKOK leaks?

>>53944578
Posted here >>53943809

>>53943783
>>53943957
They don't have chadmarines.

>>53944587
>Just trust that these guys mathed this all out and tried every version over the 18 months of development

Considering how many errors I have found in the indexes I really don't trust those guys.

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Rolled 1, 3, 2, 1, 3, 3, 3, 1, 1, 2 = 20 (10d3)

>>53944162
>C-Beams glittering off the shoulder of Orion
Yes, YESSSSS

>>53944596
It's not a leak
It was put up on Warhammer Community along with the Malcador Infernus

anyone else find it weird that the pinnacle of The Emperors Science, forbidden arts from the Dark Age of Technology, using the Emperor's own genetic code to create the most perfect superhuman warrior ever has the same shooting ability as a man with a fancy hat? (Rowboat Girlyman vs Lord Commisar)

>>53944597
Thanks.

>>53944530
Do you not know what the word 'other' means? If you have three boxes and show me box A and I ask you whats in the other box, you could show me box B or C.

If I then ask you what's in the other box and you go back to A, you're a fucking retard.

>>53944591
Good job, Big G, weaken the Imperial fleet, be a good puppet to Yvraine.

>>53944601
I think a lot of that comes down to play testing with experienced 40k players only.

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>>53944607
awww

>>53944579
> Tougher Horses
> Can take orders via an officer
I'd say so

>>53944535
That's what I've been saying - there is no way this rule was worded correctly.

DKOK players are actually the gayest players in 40k.

Why's that you ask? Simple. What does DKOK look like when spelt out? Looks like DICK doesn't it?

Then what happens when you try to pronounce it? You get D-KOK. KOK sounding like COCK and D for DICK (again).

So now you know how homosexual the FW PTW resin guardsman army is.

>>53944586

Ace, thanks. Can't open ePubs at work that's all.

Are you fully free to load those 5 wounds onto your invulnerable save sergeant?

Or let's say it's a unit of 3 models, would they all have to take a wound each and then the remaining two wounds go to models of your choice?

So 10 wounds on a 3 model unit would have each model rolling for saves 3 times, and the final wound is their choice?

>>53944601
Why don't you produce a fixed version instead? Can't be that hard.

>>53944611
I guess if you have two Space Marines left in the unit, they can never be in coherency.

>>53944107
100% going to need to regroup there. I take you you lost the 4 marines that were keeping unit coherency there kiddo?

Now if some of those guys were on a building and some milling around under the building that would be different. Because the guys standing just under the building are 6" or less vertical distance and 2" or less horizontal away because they are standing right next to the fucking building.

>Chaplain dread grants +1 strength to any units in the same combat as itself

>Buff does absolutely nothing for itself and other dreadnoughts

Good job forge world.

>>53944513
>capitalism is cuckery

Commie pls go

>>53944611
>If I then ask you what's in the other box and you go back to A, you're a fucking retard.
Yes, but a retard who is TECHNICALLY correct. (especially because the phrasing would be "an" other box not "the" other box)

>>53944624
https://mega.nz/#F!ToIUlLiR!o91HYGSY9WBNpei5P_2bTw << 8th Edition Rulebook and GW/FW Indices located here

Has PDFs

>>53944622
10/10
Would storm your giant trench, Anon

>>53944611
If i point to B and ask what other boxes to this one will you just say C? And not A, because it was a object of previous question?
This is autism.

>>53944564
Single man units aren't squads and don't have to be in coherency as a result.

>>53944462
You could run 4 commanders instead of that

>>53944639
It's ok, he'll get to see who's more cucked when he has no food.

>>53944640
No, you are a retard who is technically incorrect. Literally google the definition of 'other'.

>>53944624
nah, you can only distribute wounds up to their wound total, i think.
if you have a saergent with 2 and regular guys with 1, and have four incoming wounds, it would havve to be 2 on the sargent max and then 1 on each infantry, afaik

once you start assigning wounds to a model, you have to continue until you run out of wounds

>>53944612
He's right, though, they need to stop aping the past, and stop dealing with shit that is warp tainted.

>>53944648

>Not running 4 commanders and a riptide

>>53944306
Carnifexes/10
Also, give your Hive Tyrant Rending claws. They're cheaper and are just as good as Scything talons.

>>53944625
I play with a fixed version of anything that is obvious but I'm pretty sure gamer's workshop wouldn't use my edited version if I mailed it to them. And there's stuff like Shield of Faith or the number of wounds on an acolyte that I'm not sure how to balance because, unlike the people who made and tested the indexes, balancing isn't my job that I get paid to do for apparently 18 months.

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>>53944591

Never thought about it before really, but I'm surprised in the modern fluff about Chaos, recovery was even still a thing, since it would probably even taint the weaponry and warp drives.

Weren't Marneus Calgars gauntlets in Chaos possession at one point? Will he destroy them too?

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How bad should I be feeling about this guy so far? Insignia etc still to come.

>>53944654
Nope. I'm sorry you can't understand English and have to resort to headcanon.

>>53944664

He'll quietly not mention it to Gulliman and then one day whilst they're alone and Gulliman turns his back the Daemon in the gauntlets will power-strangle him.

>>53944529
Do you even remember the old codexes? They were like 30 pages of black and white, with 2 pages of titles, an index, and 6 pages how to build and paint your faction.

There was barely any content in them at all. It was like a brochure.

So yes they've gotten more expensive (7th ed was TOO expensive) but they are also much better quality.

AOS Battletomes are all hard cover, ~200 pages, full colour, with tons of fluff and rules and hobby stuff, and they are CHEAPER than the 40k codexes. If those are any indication then we can expect great things from the new 40k codexes and at a cheaper price point than what we saw in 7th.

>>53944629
According to the rule, all the unit needs for coherency is that every model is within those ranges of at least one other model, which they all are. There's nothing to stop you from keeping the unit paired off into battle-buddies like that.

>>53944122
>>53944137
>>53944147
lulz aside, I assume that means they cast sorcery on a planet to destroy supplies / ruin agri worlds and fuck up the population by limiting their resources. Also sap strength from groups and individuals.

>>53944591
>admech salvaged traitor ship
>cleans it up
>makes new maiden warp jump
>machine spirit spaces crew mid jump

>>53944643
If you point to box A and say 'point to an other box' I could point to B or C.
If you asked again, I'd have to point to the last box. The process of saying 'point to an other box' is literally culling options off.

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>>53944389

>>53944622
gay

>>53944657
6 commanders!

>>53944611

>walk up to a pair of twin brothers, A and B
>ask A to point at his other twin
>he points at B
>ask B to point at his other twin
>erhmagerd I can't possibly point at him, how can he be my "other twin" when I'm already his

I sincerely hope you are trolling

>>53944673
Thin. Your. Paints. The shoulders look like cottage cheese

>>53944591
>older, superior patterns
I understand why the AdMech would be this much assblasted.

>>53944673
Thin yours paints and don't go overboard on the inks.

>>53944674
See >>53944505

Someone googled it for you.
>used to refer to a person or thing that is different or distinct from one already mentioned or known about

>Several blobs of 48 conscripts running around the battlefield
>The same number of 2 conscript groups in the back behind bloking terrain with a priest, a commissar and some company commanders.

Conscript spam just got a promotion!

>>53944654
If I'm on a group hiking trip and say
>it's wolf country out here, everyone has to stay next to an other person
and everybody buddies up into pairs that is fulfilling the demand. You're just wrong here pal.

10 hours 44 minutes until I can find out if the T'aunar is playable in normal games like a Knight or Baneblade, or not.

>>53944694
>>53944700
Cheers guys. I regretted my wash. Mistakes were made. Probably gonna give him a Dettol bath.

>>53944673
Your blue and red look awful

Are you thinning your paints down slightly with water before applying them?

Use two thin layers, otherwise youll see the colours underneath. It's very obvious in large flat areas like the backpack and shoulder pads

>>53944673
It's honestly not too bad. It's definitely miles better than grey plastic.
If you want some pointers, I'd suggest thinning your paints down a little before you apply them. If you use them straight from the pot, they end up looking thick and blobby, and brush-strokes can sometimes remain visible.
I'd say go over the blue one more time with a thin coat, I can see the primer showing through in a few places. Other than that, not a bad showing at all.

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>>53944551
WEW

>>53944673
Nice Scheme, actually. Also, apart from the gun, you've painted pretty neatly inside the lines.
But by Duncan.
THIN YOUR PAINTS.
And give him some highlights, or drybrush him if you don't want to highlight.