Is there a game whit this points or mechanics on it: >Low

I can think of a few systems with lethal combat but nothing on the second one. It sounds to me like you're less interested in "need gold to live" and more "need to track consumables to live, which require gold to get". Basic needs like food and water aren't that exciting to most people so a lot of systems streamline or ignore it.

>>53941693
For example, yesterday i was playing 8 bit dungeon, in that game the only way to recover hp and "action points" was to rest at the inn, but each rest at the inn cost 10 gp per player level, and a good fight can give each player up to 5gp, but leave them exhausted, so fighting was always a risk because they didnt know if they could afford to go back to the inn and rest

Low lethality level when not cautious doesn't make sense, so I'm gonna assume you meant high lethality if not cautious.

Black Crusade with humans only, playing in a hive world under attack by Orks or Tau.

Alternatively, Shadowrun.

Ryuutama

There is an Italian game with that premise, called "l'ultima torcia" (english: the last torch), but I haven't played yet so it might be shite.

Also I can't find any info about it in English, sorry.

>>53940982
I think Shadowrun would be your best bet. Deathwatch uses a requisition system that is sort of but not really at all like money, and the items you get are definitely necessary for survival, and if you aren't cautious (and face proper challenges) it can be highly lethal so that might also be something you want to look into. A few days ago I found the entire Deathwatch PGB on Scribd if you want to look for it.

>>53941904
>>53942409
I think i will be checking deathwatch, i dont like shadowrun system at all

>>53942489
Don't worry, Shadowrun players don't like the system either.

I could also suggest RuneQuest 6/Mythras, as well as M-Space.

>>53940982

Red Markets is about being really fucking poor and also it's a partial zombie apocalypse.

>>53942502
Yeah all the games from the brp family tend to feel like that, the only bad thing is that you cant go to the high fantasy ground

>>53942522
I want this fucking book to come out.

>>53942346
seemed like it could fix all my problems but i cant read spaghetti :C

Most of the 40k rpg settings with humans, I would also say Call of Cthulhu where you need to be really cautious, and you can track all the expense, if you truly wish (I've thought about a hobo campaign, where they wouldn't have too many belongings to follow...)

>>53943114
Could you say the same about warhammer fantasy?

Also, as it was said, good shadowrun where you play smartly the corporations (if they want the runners dead, it's not a simple "lolwut, send som asasin" for example)

>>53943114
never played in the warhammer fantasy setting, but from what I've heard, the first and 2nd edition are also pretty rough for the players (and mostly made to play mere humans in the Empire), while the third is more D&Dish

>>53943125
the post >>53943164 was meant to be a reply

>>53940982
Hate to be that one guy but GURPS, especially at a low tech level. At stone to medieval eras, players are still buying their food by barter. Also, healing takes time, and so if you get shot by a bow and survive, you are effectively out of combat for at least a month. It takes some time getting into, but the GURPS general would be pretty helpful

>>53943180
there is some pretty neat stuff for that in Cthulhu : Dark Age (that time where the players can actually caught the Black Death...)

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>>53940982
Let me tell you about REAL D&D.

WARHAMMER FANTASY ROLEPLAYING GAME

>>53943208
What is the difference between advanced and the other OSR, thaco?

>>53943257
Advanced has more rules. Advanced doesn't have race-as-class. Advanced has more first-party content.

Basic is built off OD&D core + Supp I, AD&D is built off all of OD&D.

>>53940982
wfrp 2ed

>>53943213
>>53946077
Listen to these men

>>53940982
>Low level lethality if not cautious
So you mean combat where people don't usually die?

>>53946235
I think he means a system that is leathal if you are not cautious at low character levels.

>>53946077
>>53943213
How about Zweihänder? Heard some good things about it and it's often linked to WFRP. But I'm not too sure if it really is good.

>>53946503
Zweihander is rules bloat rehash of wfrp2ed. Instead try Shadow of Demonlord.

>>53940982
Song of Swords is pretty lethal.

>>53940982
why do you want money to be necessary for survival?

>>53940982
Anima: Beyond Fantasy

An average level one character will have around 100 HP. A longsword will do 50 unless you reduce or block the damage by defending well and having good armor.

On that note, you generally need good armor and weapons (and Quality items are very expensive despite being a lot stronger) but this is also a system with rules for breaking weapons and armor if you take a big hit

The game has a ton of over the top anime superpower nonsense, but the lore and optional rules basically say "the players shouldn't have any/easy access to this stuff at low levels, but should gradually get bits over time". You're free to ignore this if you want, but if you want a super gritty low level campaign it's very possible. The game is also quite tactical in it's combat, with lots of potential modifiers and conditions you can build up

>>53946936
People need to learn the value of gp

>>53940982
Shadow of the Demon Lord. You not only need to pay the upkeep for living expanses but you are fragile like glass (at the start you start as commoner, level 0)

>>53946227
>>53943213
>>53946077
I'm forthing this
I lost my dwarf protagonist after like a couple sessions.
it was great fun, stole a skaven warpfire thrower (he already had a flame proof suit), used it on some treefolk and due to a lucky hit by a a bigger one went up in flames and lost a leg.
Fate points are there for a reason my dudes

D&D Basic of course.

>>53947709
SOTDL haves a very good character creation, and yeah players felt quite poor
>>53947782
Did you use the normal setting?
>>53947938
Is basic different from ad&d and all the other osr?

>>53941904

That's "low level" lethality. not a low level of lethality.

>>53947434
But why? Why does money need to be a critical resource rather than something else? What does it add to the game?

The way I see it, having money be critical is a mistake, as the means of attaining it are broad and largely mundane. The best solution becomes investment and business, which are the two most boring things to do in a setting where anything is possible. If there is not enough currency in circulation for that sort of activity, surely people would use something more practical. Just a thought.

>>53949023
Well not all settings/systems let you hoard money that fast

I doesnt have to be money,but any mechanic that grounds the players, like when they want to start stealing shit from stores, and a guard comes up and fuck their shit up

>>53949163
Well, which is it then? What was initially described was specific, and what you're describing is broad. If you're just talking about generic scarcity that can be applied to any game in any setting.

>>53949386
any mechanic that enforces it

Sounds like Torchbearer, which is Resource Management: the RPG.

>>53949587
Well, Id say that one way you can represent the value of whatever the party's fungible currency is would be to have a set rate of theft when they enter a populated area, forcing them to get their business done and get out before pickpockets and unscrupulous innkeepers rob them blind.

>>53949713
isnt torchbearer running with the burning wheel system?

>>53940982
You could try choose your own adventure games like this series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMOPI-Cz4c0

>>53946077
>>53943213

YES

YESSSSSS

BE THE RATCATCHER THAT SAVES THE KINGDOM!

>>53950989
Nice shilling my friend

>>53951257
How fast/common is wh combat?

>>53952981
Combat is all the system can do. it doesn't go too fast because people generally have a less than 50% chance of hitting stuff.

>>53948571
>Did you use the normal setting?
I thought we were so every manling there thought my dorf was a bit of a dick

>>53940982
3.PF

>>53953616
Really?

>>53953616
I remember that 3.5 was quite lethal at first levels

>>53947276
Quite gritty for a system where you can throw mountains