What would a layer of the Abyss based on Ancap ball memes, NAP

>>53901604
>emotional harm
>NAP violation
Someone is a leftist statist who doesn't understand NAP. (it's you)

>>53901604

Emotional harm does not violate the NAP. The forceful infringement upon private property and the rights of individuals however, does.

>>53901989
>>53902077
Found the Ancaps

Your ideas will never be valid by any sane metric

>>53901989
>>53902077
That was quick

Ancap philosophy is really a great fit for an Abyssal layer. While technically following the NAP would be lawful, the results it produces are so incredibly and consistently bizarre that it makes a mockery of the concept of Law.

Recreational orbs of annihilation, slavery - Ancapistan as an abyssal layer really fits.

>>53901604
Depends its called heaven unless you enjoy other men fucking your wife.

>>53901989
>>53902077
It doesn't matter. OP didn't say
>what would an ancap layer of the Abyss look like
He said
>what would an ancapBALL layer of the Abyss look like

Anyway this will just devolve into political shitposting and doesn't really belong on /tg/.

Ancap threads are fun but they're for /pol/.

>>53902330
I honestly think that it'd be a fun location for a bunch of player characters to go on an adventure. They have to track down some demon and kill him on his home Plane, and he's decided to live in a layer with truly bizarre rules...and a layer where things won't actually immediately attack the party for no reason.

>>53902096

If Anarcho-Capitalism is invalid by any sane metric, you should have no difficulty refuting it, and I challenge you to do so.

>>53902077

Technically people have a right to be free from mental, emotional and physical violence.

>>53901989
>>53902077
And who is going to keep that in check and write down the specifics?

The government?

>>53902168
Would Anarcho-Communism be Nine Hells or the Abyss? I could see the Hells because Communism is extremely lawful and collectivist, but the Abyss because of the anarchist aspect and the fact that in absence of a strong central source of coercion (lolrite), the coercion necessary to maintain the society would exist mostly on an individual, impromptu, mano-a-mano basis

>>53902429
>people have a right
>rights
Spooky post.

>>53902429
No, they have a right to be free only of physical violence. Trying to regulated "mental, emotional" violence is proto-totalitarian collectivism and incompatible with life in a liberal democracy

>>53902495
Goddamn, uh, right. Either we maintain a state that regulates social behavior as little as possible, or I'm going full-Stirnir, Illegalist "life to the knife" in revenge

>>53902495
If the NAP is based on a right to protect ones ownership and protect oneself but there are no rights how does the NAP exist outside the mind of a governing body?

>>53902497
Yeah well as an anarchist I don't have to follow by your laws unless you enforce them, then you become the government.

>>53901604
Nah, the abyss would be pure anarchism in the abyss, theres no rules or ideas of rights, its the mighty do whatever they want and tell the lesser what they want, unless they kill the.

>>53902536
That's literally what we're discussing, a fantastical implementation of an ideology that actually has "anarcho-" in the name.

Please learn to read before posting on /tg/ in the future.

>>53902536
... Soooo Ancap?

>>53902536
Nigga he didn't ask if it would be okay with canon D&D Abyss, he just asked what it would be like.

>>53902469
I'd argue it'd have to be in the Nine Hells since anything in the Abyss wouldn't give a shit about the NAP. It's just that the outcomes of NAP violations that Ancap-balls usually have are taken to the extreme with no consideration of using equal force. It would pretty much just be trigger happy cunts using NAP violations to justify their use of force against their competitors.
>These guy stepped foot on my property and stepped on my flowers
>Time to buy mercs from McDonalds to kill his family

>>53902524
In this kind of situation, things would likely revert to a tribal style thing where if one person starts enough shit, eventually all the people around him just won't fucking talk to him or off the fucker

>>53902524
>Yeah well as an anarchist I don't have to follow by your laws unless you enforce them, then you become the government.
>as an anarchist
As a nationalist I will kill you in spite of the laws (unless you're an Anarcho-Capitalist in which case you're just kind of cute), governance thereafter is an open question
Also the NAP is an arbitrary social construct like any other

Question to any theoretical AnCap unicorns here, how do you feel about anarcho-commies and revolutionary anarchists?

>>53902555
Nah, ancap would mean theres value put into... well value, we're talking pure chaos.

>>53902553
>>53902570
It would be extremely shitty, lawless and full of people killing eachother for petty things.
The abyssals would live in caves or holes, mud houses at best as destruction of others property for the craziest bullshit and too vent anger. Also no roads.

>>53902571
That's actually exactly why they'd use the NAP in the Abyss. It's a bizarre parody of a legal/moral system, and the kind of society that would fit tanar'ri just fine. I can already see a vrock calling somebody a fucking statist because they try and stop the vrock from buying puppies to torture among the viper trees.

>>53902571
Anarcho-*Communism*, anon, *Communism*.

>>53902608
>As a nationalist I will kill you in spite of the laws
I mean you being a nationalist doesn't matter, since every tribal warlord will cut your throat for not bowing to him.

The not following the law to kill me is to be expected, its anarchism after all. I'll just have to kill you first and then make your "nation" shit.

>>53902407
Simple enough.

The entire concept relies on the idea that humans tend to avoid conflict with one another, and indeed, should.

However, violent conflict as an inherent part of the human condition, and the idea that people will simply work together on a large scale without any rules to force them to do so is foolish beyond belief.

It's simply the ideal system of a person totally out of touch with the real world.

>>53902497
If I hold a gun to your head and tell you to give me your money, isn't that a violation of the NAP?

>>53902667
The NAP doesn't exist as an actual thing, its more a name for "I want to kill you now."

So yes, it violates the NAP.

>>53901989
His half of the blanket is his property, she's stealing his property which he has a right to protect.

>>53902647
>I mean you being a nationalist doesn't matter, since every tribal warlord will cut your throat for not bowing to him.
We're the biggest and baddest tribal warband
>The not following the law to kill me is to be expected, its anarchism after all. I'll just have to kill you first and then make your "nation" shit.
Ah, the laws of nature in action. What more could we ask for? Nothing; no one ever could

>>53902692
If that's the case then people are constantly violating my NAP as I daydream about cutting open nearly every person I see.

>>53902705
The bigger the warband, the lesser the value of the peon.

Also its probably gonna demand you follow its rules and orders under the threath of death, human nature leaning towards hierarchies and all that.

>>53902706
Reminder that Moot and Hiromoot both lets several police and secret services archive and look into these.

>>53902608
>As a nationalist I will kill you in spite of the laws
I'm an autototalitarian, I am an iron fisted regime of one, oppressing a cowering populace of the same. There is no law in this hypothetical jungle, so your spite is in vain, ally it with my own, that we might violate international code upon the aforementioned anarchists, my fellow nation.

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>>53902770
>-277 points

>>53902742
>The bigger the warband, the lesser the value of the peon.
The weaker the warband, the lesser the chance the sheep remain alive or self-directing
>Also its probably gonna demand you follow its rules and orders under the threath of death, human nature leaning towards hierarchies and all that.
Exactly. Imagine if a military unit didn't demand soldiers follow its rules and orders under the threat of death. Hilarious

Also if my faction was defeated but I lived I'd become a freebooter and keep robbing and killing true-believer anarchists until I died

>>53902755
kek. This is like the US conservative bloc of libertarians and nationalists

>>53902742
Oh please, I must already be on so many of their watchlists that at this point it would be an an achievement to get on another.

>>53902794
>Exactly. Imagine if a military unit didn't demand soldiers follow its rules and orders under the threat of death. Hilarious
Yeah but you wouldn't be a soldier, peon.

>>53902620
>Nah, ancap would mean theres value put into... well value, we're talking pure chaos.
That's Limbo fuccboi

>>53902811
>Taking pride in being controlled
Lel, true anarchist right there.

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>>53902794
that would be the assumption going into a conflict with nationless nationalists like yourself, and the reason that defeating your dear faction would happily involve killing every man, and hunting survivors down like dogs.

In the hypothetical ideology playground the pragmatist is king.

>>53902852
I think of myself more as a monarchist.

>>53902877
>Taking pride of being unfavored by the monarchy
Lel, real monarchist right there.

>>53902469
>I could see the Hells because Communism is extremely lawful
That's Socialism. Communism and anarcho-communism are the same thing.

>>53902833
Cute, sheep
>>53902857
I'm sure your philosophical faction possesses overwhelming martial might
Actually it doesn't because anarchism is one of the most weak-sauce ideologies in history, which is why they got BTFO not only in Finland, Spain, Germany et al, but even in the Soviet Union! hahaha. The only reason they're even on the scene right now is that they're the only white leftists who enjoy committing crimes (ancaps are excluded because they don't affect reality), the rest being gigantic pussies too busy being exploited by the underclass

>>53902857
>this boot is my owner and that is good because he is named himself (((the people's government)))
-Statist

>>53902897
To clarify what I mean by weak-sauce, I mean it's not actually that motivating. It can motivate people to commit crimes and maybe form little bandit groups like in the Soviet Union and Spain. But taking risks equal to what a commie, nationalist or Muslim would take? Please
"One can cross a river on a log, but not on a splinter." - Dos

>>53902897
>Cute, sheep
But you are the sheep, clinging to a government because they say they agree with you, lying to you as they leash you. Especially since everything that nation stood for is statist and unfree as fuck.

I am free, are you?

>>53902883
I think I'd prefer if the king was simply a poor, inbred creature preoccupied with toy trains and fish bait, sitting on the throne merely so that no one else would get the idea. Also, give him a gun and the right to shoot any advisor or member of parliament that he pleases.

>>53902926
*Dostoevsky reformed-nihilist character

>>53902935
Well communists prefer their leader as fair sharers and capitalist prefer them making money, but thats an utopia.

>>53902928
MY ANCESTORS ARE SMILING ON ME IMPERIALS

CAN YOU SAY THE SAME

>>53902928
>basement dwelling first worlders who rely on thousands of products from across the world and the protection and services of others around them
>I'm an island unto myself don't oppress me reeeeeeeeeee!

/everypostinthisthread

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>>53902897
>I'm sure your philosophical faction possesses overwhelming martial might
>Actually it doesn't because anarchism is one of the most weak-sauce ideologies in history
>Pragmatism is Anarchism
What did he mean by this?

>>53902955
>Implying its not shitposting falseflaggers falseflagging falseflaggers
Truth to be told, I like working piping, roads and water that doesn't actually contain tons of chemicals. Thank god that we're only gotta worry about an idiocracy and not a full blown shithouse.

>>53902928
I have nothing but contempt for 90% of the government but not 90% of my people. I'd break the laws to achieve my ends and I'd become something equivalent to an illegalist anarchist failing that
>Especially since everything that nation stood for is statist and unfree as fuck.
Not the USA, though maybe in Sweden or Saudi Arabia or wherever you're from. You may think otherwise because you refuse to think of the state of a given country in the context of world history, its national history or the relative position of its laws with respect to other nations currently existing

>>53902658
I wonder how long it will take him to realize that the exact same thing is true for communists...

I have a slightly different interpretation of [philosophical work] to you.

>>53902948
In either case, it would do us a lot of good to return to proper names. King Donald and his hoodlums, and so on. It should be illegal to speak of the government as an entity with thoughts, feelings, and goals or otherwise write it with a capital G. Offenders should be locked up or publicly shamed for a considerable amount of time, and later, if unwilling to conform, executed.

>>53902999
>Not the USA
HAH, rich. Being controlled is your blood, there are no free americans and the culture demands servitude to the master.

>>53903017
I think we should execute people for wrongthink, of course they should follow my idea of rightthink.

>>53902962
Looking at the victors of the 20th century Western civil conflicts, siding with nationalists is pretty pragmatic
Germany: Commies/anarchists btfo
Finland: Commies/anarchists btfo
Spain: Commies/anarchists btfo
Italy: Commies/anarchists btfo

The only countries where there was armed struggle and commies won were in fucked up, ignorant/collectivist Eastern nations such as Russia and China

That said, if there is no serious civil strife (such as in the USA or Britain) of course it's better to go into business than joining a bloc

Also for anarchists ITT, I cannot imagine a more defenseless nation than an anarchist nation

>>53903017
you're a real student of Hesiod, ain't you.

>>53903035
>"HAH, rich. Being controlled is your blood, there are no free americans and the culture demands servitude to the master."

>this is the enemy's level of thinking
Well actually, I'm sure a few people who are on your side are cringing

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>>53903059
do you feel like you're winning an argument? Do you know what pragmatism is? Do you just post responses to what you imagine the posts you link are about?

Pragmatism is not anarchism, and a pragmatis nation is not defenseless.

>>53903076
You literally cannot prove that you are a free people that bows to another nation.
And no, the past cannot be used, the past is the past. Only the actions of the people now matter.

>>53903083
I'm mostly taking the opportunity to speak obliquely to anarchists right now because you have delusions of grandeur and are irrelevant
I've read the Prince, very good book

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>>53903091
>You literally cannot prove that you are a free people that bows to another nation.
ok kid

>>53902901

Wait, what's with the parens? Do AnCaps have a thing about jews?

>>53903059

You mean siding with a faction actively and aggressively funded by the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world is pragmatic. That it chiefly supported hard-right 'nationalists' often comprised of former fascists is not because these are good allies for them - they were often reckless and self-destructive - it is simply that when your enemy is half communism and half your own paranoia, it is much easier to self-justify allying with them rather than militant socialist groups.

>>53903110
>Anarchists are real and not just a social construct like the tooth fairy
>That anyone actually meant what they wrote in this thread.

>>53902857

Since when do Anarchists win wars?

>>53902755

What.

Is...is there a translation service on /tg/ for this shit? Is this what reading /pol/ is like?

>>53902705
>>53902647

You know, I was kind of wary of the entire 'AnCapistan as a layer of hell' thing OP proposed but y'all dipshits are doing a great job of showing me how this would work.

I 100% need to run this for my group at some point. Angry Vrocks and Nalfeshnee with pikes glaring at the PCs as they walk by their shitty flowerpatches and balors bitching to each other about who has the biggest dick while refusing to violate whatever the fuck a NAP is.

>>53903155
mostly I'm laughing cause he's still insisting I'm pretending to be an anarchist instead of pretending to be a Machiavelli fanatic. His nationalists will die to my Florentine cyborgs, the republic shall rule the meme-o-net.

>>53903153
>You mean siding with a faction actively and aggressively funded by the most powerful and wealthy nation in the world is pragmatic.
Of course. I wouldn't be a nationalist for just any country :^)
It's also true that guys who are too crazy can be bad for the cause. I'm a nationalist but I never said there wouldn't be strife between nationalists eventually, too, or that there wasn't in the 20th century
Still, nationalists slaughtered pinkos in Spain, Indonesia and a few South American countries and got to hold on to their takings for several decades.
>>53903155
Anarchists are real but not real strong. I'd take pleasure in killing them but I wouldn't take them seriously as anything but bomb-throwers, as always. A weed, just a particularly ugly one

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>>53903205
>Since when do Anarchists win wars
>Pragmatism is still somehow a form of anarchism
What did he mean?

>>53903205
>Since when do Anarchists win wars?
This
>Is...is there a translation service on /tg/ for this shit? Is this what reading /pol/ is like?
He was joking and that was hilarious
>You know, I was kind of wary of the entire 'AnCapistan as a layer of hell' thing OP proposed but y'all dipshits are doing a great job of showing me how this would work.
Not an ancap but anyways you'd like Planescape

>>53903248
Shut up idiot you're not the only one who's read Machiavelli and Machiavellians have/can/will exist(ed) in any and every political faction so no one's going to talk about "pragmatists" unless they want to toot their own horn as some kind of mustache-twirling mastermind

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>>53903278
yeah, and we're just freeform roleplaying ideological dick waving in some vague lawless wasteland, and one upping each other by saying 'my band of territorial, ideological ruffians can beat up your territorial, ideological ruffians because my ruffians are meaner and more effective'

so its not wrong to say that the Machiavellian faction will beat the non-machiavellian factions.

You're just jealous I beat you at makebelieve, and you can't say I'm shitposting because we're all shitposting.

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>>53903375
ok kid

>>53902407
The NAP requires herd enforcement to function and not simply have the situation devolve into neo-feudalism. Unfortunately herd enforcement is essentially impossible as not enough people will enter into violent conflict to defend the NAP.

We can see similar situations occur in south and central america regularly as examples of herd enforcement via violence in a vacuum.

Another is the how Anarcho-capatilism deals with children. There are two main branches. Children are property or children are self actualized and treated the same under the law. For the first I can bash my own child's head in on my property and it does not violate the NAP and thus any effort by you to stop me violates the NAP. If the other is true I should be able to engage in dialogue with a child to exchange some compensation for sex acts, you trying to stop be violates the NAP.

You either let child murder be come up ok or let pedophilia come up ok.

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>>53903489

Pedophilia is OK.

Too easy.

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>>53903452
this is me. Now tell me its nothing personal. It'll be almost just like we're posting on 4chan

>>53903011
>>I wonder how long it will take him to realize that the exact same thing is true for communists...
Well sure it is. What's your point? Communism is just as dysfunctional and impossible form of government as Ancap.

>>53903489
>The NAP requires herd enforcement
AnCaps imagine that there will be private defense agencies which would defend people's rights for monetary compensation.

Of course, why these agencies would only protect againts violations of the NAP and not say, radical muslim men's right to not have to look at or speak to women they've never been able to answer.

Nor do I think I've ever been given an answer to what would happen in the hypthetical situation that two people's defense agencies came into conflict with one another due to incompatibilities in the rights they try to uphold. My best guess is open warfare.

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>>53902770
>criminalize arrangements of pixels because oh won't you please think of the children
Weakest fucking argument in any debate ever. Rape is already illegal; that's enough regulation anyone needs.

>>53903654
Pornographic drawings of children are already illegal in several countries.

Two people have claimed the NAP has been violated and that they require the other party to be dealt with. They both pay for a PMC service. How does this situation resolve?

A large company with resources contacts with a PMC. They use this PMC to violate the NAP and force people into a police state situation under company rule. The people they oppress do not have the resources to hire a larger PMC organization. How do you stop a situation like this from developing?

You need the use of some form of court system for a civil case. How does this situation resolve in a manner that does require the threat of violence to enforce, thus violating the NAP by attempting to enforce an arbitrary private court ruling?

>>53903676
AnCaps imagine that both parties would agree on a judge beforehand that they both trust to come up with a just verdict and sign a contract to adhere to it no matter what it is. No idea how they imagine the situation would be handled if both parties can't agree on a judge, or if one refuses to adhere to verdict regardless, or afterwards claims the judge was bribed and that the verdict therefore is void.

>>53903674
Exactly. The focus shifts from protecting children to punishing people for thoughtcrime. That's no slippery slope; that's one single step from "photos" to "depictions". "Muh chilluns" is one bad joke that just doesn't end.

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>>53903676
>They use this PMC to violate the NAP
ancaps say the other PMCs will stop this from happening, because the market will incentivize respect for the NAP, instead of incentivizing the will of the highest bidder.

>>53903595
that was the point

>>53903704
theres also talk of subscription to judicial services, and the service providers you and your opponent subscribed to settle things between them.

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>>53903705
>"Muh chilluns" is one bad joke that just doesn't end.
This is the main reason I believe women suffrage was a mistake. No other argument is less cogent and yet more prone to abuse.

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>>53903633
>>AnCaps imagine that there will be private defense agencies which would defend people's rights for monetary compensation.
What happens when defending people's rights isn't profitable?

What happens if ancap land has to get into a fight with fascist or communist ancap land? That indoctrinates people to fight and die for the state, and uses conscription and taxation to continually make new armies for high intensity warfare?

There's no situation on the planet where it'd be profitable for a PMC to fight a multi million man industrial warmachine.

>>53903710
That's a dangerously retarded position to take. I hope no one actually believes that. PMCs will contract with whomever has the most resources to offer them, as they do already in nations with weak governments.

>>53903727
The question is what if two subscribe to different services, or one does not subscribe to a service.

>>53903732
>What happens when defending people's rights isn't profitable?
Supposedly, people who can't pay for the service would get no protection and would have to settle things on their own.


>What happens if ancap land has to get into a fight with fascist or communist ancap land?
Dunno. The AnCaps can probably not answer that.

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>>53903732
>There's no situation on the planet where it'd be profitable for a PMC to fight a multi million man industrial warmachine.
One can dream.

>>53902770
He's not wrong. Watching a video of somebody getting beat the fuck up doesn't actually make said person get beat the fuck up all over again, and the statistics from places which have decriminalized child pornography give his statement the truth.

You're passively harming children by calling for continued criminalization. All so you can feel morally superior. You disgust me.

>>53903766
Babby's basement libertarianism in action

>>53903783
not an argument

>>53903766
Child pornography involving real children should be illegal. Laws concerning fictional characters and drawings, I agree however, are not only silly but ultimately counter-productive.

>>53903836
Illegal to produce, sure, but once the deed is done there is no good reason for possession to be illegal.

>>53903928
Given that the child, presumably, never gave his/her consent to participate in the movie it could very easily be argued that it should be illegal to own it.

>>53903972
Owning revenge porn isn't illegal either. Maybe distribution at best.

>>53902692
Objectively false but hey, keep being you.

>>53903740
>a dangerously retarded position to take
any position is dangerous to take in Ancapistan

>>53902999
>Not the USA
Weird then how americans celebrate their previous presidents in a way that no European country does, and feel such a strong need to "stand by their government" when that's not the case in "statist Europe".

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>>53903731
In general, pretty much everything Feminism has done has only harmed western societies in the long run.
I am not saying that we should treat women like mudslimes do, but I think that our forefathers in few centuries ago had the right idea when they thought that women should not have any political power.

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Jesus, I thought this thread might at least be funny. Some of you need to seek help.

>>53904454
How does it feel knowing that the rest of the world considers you to be a laughing stock and you and your ilk are being progressively left behind?

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>>53904993
Given that west is getting more and more like Weimar by the day, and that the only thing that is keeping nations like Sweden, France and Germany from collapsing into civil strife is their relatively decent economic situation, I ain't worried.
My views will be vindicated in my lifetime, as the west collapses to civil strife as the cancer of liberalism metastasizes into it's final, self destructive form and brings this whole rotting edifice down. Men of strong conviction will rise in such chaos, and lead their peoples to build strong societies once more.

Also, the fact that you can't even refute anything stated in that picture, and instead go "lol ur dumb" tells us all the extend of your intellectual capacity. You have no arguments to justify your own views, let alone via which to refute opposing views, you just have your feels.

>>53905038
>My views will be vindicated in my lifetime
No they won't.

>>53902397
But you put one toe onto my private property and I'll shoot you with a McSCUD

>>53904993
If that's the case, then why are cultures that treat women like actual property outbreeding atomized western urbanites? You'll grow old in a world occupied by billions of people whose views make Jerry Falwell look like a naive bleeding heart.

You need my permission to light your lamps because the light travels onto my private property

>>53905700
Says you.

>>53903011
Or any other kind of state administration policy, for that matter.

>>53902429
The problem is that you can't draw a line on what emotional violence means in the practical sense, since emotions are just a reflection of each person's interpretation of the world around them.

>>53902285
>Depends its called heaven unless you enjoy other men fucking your wife.
It seems that in your rush to make a cuck joke, you completely mangled whatever sentence you were intending to post.

>>53904993
>>53905700
Hope you're enjoying the right wing backlash in the US, UK, France et al my soft, plush, marshmallowy friend

>>53905976
Exactly one of us is doing the bidding of ISIS, and it aint me, my friend.

>>53902553
I thought we were discussing anarco-capitalism not just plain anarchy. If that was the case, OP need only read the book on chaotic demons.

I think
>>53902168
got a nice idea, though.
A circle of hell where demons enforce bizarre rules on the damned souls, simply as a mockery of everything that is lawful, is a pretty nice concept.

>>53905976
>look at me im so tough and strong
Bitch please, you're on /tg/. You're just as soft as the rest of us, being a dickhead doesn't change that.

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>>53906015
>muh doing the bidding of ISIS by recognizing the threat muslims pose to the west.

Top fucking kek.
What should we do then? Just silently accept muslim takeover of our native lands and not fight for our own right to exist? Because apparently, reacting to the fact that muslims are hostile to the west is doing the bidding of Isis, so it is a lose-lose scenario for us.

>>53906121
Or maybe, just maybe, you should stop being retarded enough to think that all billion muslims are Wahhabist fanatics screaming death to the west.

>muslim takeover
Jesus shitfucking christ you are stupid as hell. Please make the world a better place by killing yourself.

>>53906121
>What should we do then?
Work against radicalization and terrorist groups such as ISIS. Not doing exactly what they want which is create hostility towards muslims in general in the west so that the ones that already live here feel the need to join them.

>>53906167
But that would require interacting with people different than ourselves without being colossal dicks about it.

>>53906162
>Please make the world a better place by killing yourself
He'll do it to you first...

>>53906197
>not letting millions of people settle in your country to mooch off the dole is "being a colossal dick".
So how many bums have you allowed to sleep in your house rent free this week?

You don't have to hate Americans to know you don't want ten million of them moving in next door and setting up megachurch and a trailer park and a gun store on every block.

>>53906238
>a /pol/tard kills someone over an internet argument on a siberian poetry slam forum
Wouldn't even surprise me

I decided to come check in on this thread, I've heard of containment boards but I didn't know there were containment threads

>>53906252
>So how many bums have you allowed to sleep in your house rent free this week?

None, but that's 'cause I can't afford it not because I'm 'reacting to the fact that bums are hostile to homeowners'.

There are plenty of viable arguments for stronger immigration control that don't rely on bigotry, which really just makes the bigoted arguments all the more transparent.

>>53906638
So if you did own a home, you would invite in hobos.

Shit m8, I don't believe you. I think you are being deliberately disingenuous in order to avoid ceding any ground to the other guy. One might even call you a rusemaster or bridge-dwelling mythological creature.

>>53907419
>So if you did own a home
I own a home. I still don't have room or money enough to afford another person to stay there.

>>53907434
You have a house with one room. You have no spare rooms. Okay then.

>>53901989

Fuck but you're a boring cunt.

-t AnCap

>>53902608
>anarcho-commies
That's a oxymoron, anyway "anarch"-commiess should be free to establish whatever type of commune they desire in Ancap land.

>>53904454

I keep seeing this "Yeah, woman had more freedom than today - they were free to choose to stay at home and not work!"

Except that wasnt a choice.
It was enforced.
That isnt freedom you blithering idiot.

Everything else in there is retarded too, but that one is always especially egregious

>>53901604
>What would a layer of the Abyss based on Ancap ball memes, NAP violations, and "everything is an NAP violation, even the most trivial emotional harm or financial harm" be like?

I think it would be better as part of the Seven Hells.

"Let us slavishly follow a principle that hurts people" sounds a lot more Lawful Evil than it does Chaotic Evil.

>>53902694
Another important aspect that these memes love to ignore is proportionality, the retaliation must be proportional to the violation, so no, you can't shoot tresspassing toddlers, sorry.

>>53907604
>You have no spare rooms
Yes.

>>53906162
In 100 years native germans will be a minority in their homeland due to the sheer fact of how demographics have changed in their country.
Are you suggesting that they should just accept it?

>>53906167
Muslims have always been hostile to the west. There is nothing redeemable about that barbaric religion. The man they admire the most, and view as a perfect man, was a slave owning pedophile warlord that put countless people to the sword in his mad quest to conquer the Middle East.

Islam is evil, and must be opposed at every opportunity.

>>53907642
>Everything else in there is retarded too, but that one is always especially egregious
Nice way of saying that "I can't refute anything so I'll just call it retarded".

Individual is not the molecule of civilization. A family is. Individual is nothing more than a smart animal with a collection of different experiences. A society built on individualism is a society that has no foundation and is doomed to collapse, and splinter as each individual has their own fucking interests, and thus share little to no common ground, hence the continuing decline of the west.

>>53907642
Thank you for that brilliant strawman rebuttal.

>>53906167
Yeah, let's just sit by as they mutilate their daughters' genitals and molest women on trains. That'll sure cut into ISIS's recruitment numbers!

>>53907789

>'being forced to do something isnt freedom'
>lmao nice strawman
Nice comback anon.

>>53907781
So why is it a problem for gay people to have families?
Surely that should be a great thing? Or is it only okay when its the kind you like, and just a cover for being a bigot?

>>53907732
The problem with your stance is that all it does is push muslims that otherwise wouldn't have gone full jihad to do so. Hate begets hate and all that stuff. Which is not to say that going full doormat is the correct solution either, but if all you do is push them away at every turn, eventually they'll join the terrorists because that's a group that WILL accept them, and then you have more terrorists.

I have no clue what the correct solution to the problem is, but open and naked hate is provably not it.

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>>53906167
>Work against radicalization
>muh vague platitudes
Unless you meant outright banning the religion or something like that.

>>53907732
>Muslims have always been hostile to the west.
No. Radical islam didn't get a foothold in the Middle-East until the Soviet invasion. Before that it was nothing more serious than the crazy christians with signs that say "God hates fags".

>>53905976
>Hope you're enjoying the right wing backlash in the US, UK, France et al my soft, plush, marshmallowy friend

>France

The recent election doesn't really bear that out.

>>53907855

Seems like it's kinda variable. I mean, the Turkey and Lebenon numbers are a lot lower than other countries and Turkey is super duper islamic.

>>53907866
>No
Yes. Do you know what september 11th means to people who have an education? September 11th 1683. Islam only stopped its advance into Europe afterwards because it was constantly getting BTFO, entering a new stage of getting wrecked in 1830 when the French commenced colonization of the Islamic world. It is not weird that "radical Islam" only emerged after the colonial powers had left, prior to it anything resembling that would be nipped in the bud by colonial authorities.

http://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/nederland/blog/2015/01/in-de-geest-van-de-moslim-de-islamitische-trots-verklaard-1682562W/
This article is in Dutch, but google translate it if you need. It's a formerly Islamic Irani refugee turned professor explaining exactly how and why radical Islam arose. Spoilers: it's not because the Russians hurt their feefees.

>>53907866
>Before that it was nothing more serious than the crazy christians with signs that say "God hates fags".
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Go read up on Sharia right fucking now, you little bitch. Hell, read up on the Mughal invasion of India too while you're at it.

>>53907906
>I mean, the Turkey and Lebenon numbers are a lot lower than other countries
>and Turkey is super duper islamic
Fuck off ignoramus. Until Erdogan Turkey was THE example regressive lefties used to "prove" that Islam and democracy can coexist. Muslims in Lebanon are relatively chill because the country is about half Christian, but as Christianity's influence decreases in the region its Muslims will get crazier and crazier. Like how the first six Muslims in France were model immigrants, but now that they're hitting six million they're committing terrorist attacks left and right, and when they hit 60 million France will be an Islamic Republic.

Jihad happens in three stages.

>>53903766
>Watching a video of somebody getting beat the fuck up doesn't actually make said person get beat the fuck up all over agai
You're creating a market for that sort of video though

>>53908006
>market without anyone buying or selling anything

>>53908084
That's why YouTube is broke, right?

>>53908084
there's still a market even if you're not paying a lot or anything

>>53908213
A market is exchange of goods and services, anonymously downloading a free video off the deep web isn't a market.

>>53907830
>So why is it a problem for gay people to have families?
Legally, families have certain privileges (like tax breaks) that at least in the past, encouraged families to produce children. Gay people do not produce children thus there is no need for them to have the same legal privileges, and if they had them it would be a waste of collective resources of the nation. (though, I do think that they should have the right to register their relationships so that they won't have problems with shit like inheriting the property of their spouse if he/she dies etc.)

As for adoption, a child should have both a father and a mother, as models of behavior for the two genders our species possess. A gay pair could not provide the same examples.

>>53907846
>The problem with your stance is that all it does is push muslims that otherwise wouldn't have gone full jihad to do so.
Yes and?
I got zero problems with us wiping out every single muslim. Their lives have no value to me.
>Hate begets hate and all that stuff
Indeed, and I hate every single muslim. They are worthless scum and I wish them all dead.

>I have no clue what the correct solution to the problem is, but open and naked hate is provably not it.
If every single muslim was removed from my homeland, there would be no muslim problem in my homeland. The presence of muslims here serves no benefit to my people, and in fact, they form a direct threat to our future. I say deport them all and kill the ones that resist. I don't give a shit about their "rights". A honeybee has more value in my eyes than any muslim does.

>>53907866
You know nothing of history. Muslim aggression towards Europe did not start in the last century dipshit. Muslims have been at odds with every-non muslim since the inception of their disgusting religion.

>>53908345

So, if a gay couple adopts, they dont deserve tax breaks for looking after their children?

Also, studies have shown that kids from lesbian parents do better than those from a mixed couple.

>>53908438
Tax breaks intended for the production of more children? No.
Other aid that families with existing children also get. Yes.

Also, source on those studies pls.

>>53908249
a market is also a demand for a commodity, by anonymously downloading a free video you are creating that demand and thus that market

>>53908345
Your pathetic life has no value to me, nor to anyone else. You likely already know this as the feeling isolation and utter uselessness is what has pushed you to where you are now. I'm gonna masturbate to draining your body of blood slowly now.

>>53908486
That makes no sense, the implication would be that by watching Syrian war vids on youtube I'm creating a demand for civil wars.

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>>53908556
*deleborts behind you*
*stabs you in the back*
phsss... nuffin bersonnel kid :DDDD

>>53907644

This. AnCap is Lawful Evil.

>>53908565
You are creating a demand for those videos, a demand for the hosting services that have those videos.


Look commie, if you want to understand supply/demand more you can read up on it and realize that peoples actions result in what is supplied.

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>>53907644
>"Let us slavishly follow a principle that hurts people"

>>53908686
I think "communism" make people hurt people, not by principle.

>>53907708
Well, once you have things, see if your attitude is the same. It's easy to speak of generosity when you personally have nothing to give.

>>53907708
>>53908820
>commie is poor and wants to use other people's money for charity
Who would have thought.

>>53908855
Communism is the ideology of jealousy.

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>>53901604
In my setting the halflings and goblins have set up an AnCap paradise between the wood elves and human kingdoms

I can't wait to pepper that part of the campaign with memes from /his/

>>53903059
>20th century Western civil conflicts
>Spain: Commies/anarchists btfo

Communists and anarchist where forced allies of the republican side. Which means, before allying with the fascists the communists and anarchists preffered allying with their enemies, the democrats.

That doesn't mean they were one of the sides in the civil war, or even a real faction in the country. They were allies of convenience when the democratic countries didn't support the Spanish republic.

The thing is that during the dictatorship the anarchists and communist were the ones trying to become an alternative, an illegal alternative, to the totalitarian government.

>>53904454
>hurr family values
Fuck off. Collectivism is a cancer no matter how you split it and it's usually women who vote for it. The thought of homogays tickle your rear in a bad way? Raise your fucking kids properly so they don't turn out that way instead of wasting tax dollars on making the state act as a surrogate mommy and daddy.

>>53903732
I believe that's kind of what happened in the American War of Independence. Essentially at that point AnCapLand is just running constant guerilla warfare. Plus it's far more likely that anyone in AnCapLand can defend themselves rather than in AnCapFascistLand, where it's bloody unlikely the general population will have guns.

Besides that, large scale tribalism. If one area starts going a bit too wild, it's not impossible that the nearby ones will bond together and work to stop that menace.

As much as I lean that way, it's honestly basically an utopia, really, and while I do my part to try and apply my own beliefs, it's still very unlikely we'll actually get to see a true AnCap paradise.

>>53901604
A worse case scenario with anarcho-capitalists would be a mix between the wild west and Stalin-esque totalitarianism.

With no regulations, powerful companies could do whatever they want, monopolies would run rampant and employees would be severely underpaid so they could be literal wage slaves. Most safety regulations would be out the window as it's cheaper to let your employees die and have their children replace them.

Children would also be a great resource for cheap labor, plus they can fit in small spaces. No need to send them to school, who wants to fund a school when they could also be cheap slaves.

Have a business rival? Just kill them, after all if you own a monopoly then who says you have to share it? And if you send in your armies and kill them, and force the survivors to work for you, then no one will be left alive to hold you accountable. After all, with no government in place you can use your position of CEO to make your own laws.

Don't own a private army? Enjoy being conquered by Wal*Mart and their huge wage-army that's conquering your land and forcing you to work for them because they need to expand their business.

Live outside these company boundaries? It's the wild west out there, you can't be 100% sure your neighbor wont come into your house in the middle of the night to blow your brains out so he can steal your shit. Who's gonna stop him? There's no laws, no cops, no government. Serial killers would be free to roam and kill poor people who aren't rich enough to afford a PMC to conduct a private investigation.

Eventually, one company would become powerful enough to buy out or conquer all other companies and become the default government, where company policy is law.

Why would anyone even follow the NAP if you could just conquer everyone and rule with an iron fist? Someone eventually will and in the end Ancap fails because it just ends up making a defacto government, usually a worse one because it's ruled by corporate overlords.

>>53904454
Whew.

Dude should have spent his time lifting instead of typing all that if he was that upset about not being able to get laid.

>>53911615
>it's still very unlikely we'll actually get to see a true AnCap paradise.
By definition, impossible. Still, more beleivable than Ancomm or AnGreen

>>53902694
However, husband and wife are one flesh and share property

>>53906252
>So how many bums have you allowed to sleep in your house rent free this week?
Literally has nothing to do with the argument, what you are talking about is immigration, what he is talking about is radicalization and extremism of muslims.

I agree that immigration needs to be closed for trained and paid immigration for the moment and that there shouldn't be rewards for being not-white. Doesn't mean I think we should attack and generalize groups of people because some of them turn into complete dickshits.

>>53912252
You know what's really not funny? The fact that every single thing that you listed has happened, and is in fact much more likely to, under State controlled systems.

>>53913314
I must have missed the part where the Wal*Mart example has ever happened

>>53913814
Not WallMart but, American muhreens acting as mercenaries for american companies in South America did happen.

>>53908438
They shouldn't be adopting kids.
Simply because society is going to react to it in a negative way.
We are still developing acceptance for LGBT couples. I sympathize with gay couples and I the feeling of them wanting to adopt but gay couples know how society reacts to them and they choose to marry knowing that. A child can't make that choice.
The kid will inevitably be forced into a position where it's going to be a target for bullying and won't be accepted because it doesn't fit the norm and that can have a significant psychological impact in the child as it grows up.
If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't have any problem with it.