If you prefer the bottom image to the top one, you are everything

>>53777668
such edge.

Oh no someone likes different things to me :( : ( they must be evilzzzzz

>>53777668
I dislike the bottom one simply because of what it represents and what was scrapped in order to create it.
It's existence taken out of context is'nt a bad thing.

>>53777668
You're confused OP, bottom is for a sci-fi wargame.

>>53777772
Well, it is bad out of context because AoS is hideous visually and has incredibly shitty lore but "epic high fantasy" is not an inherently bad concept.

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>tfw Fantasy used to be about bleeding out in a muddy farm ditch from a Goblin arrow wound
>now it's either baroque dark shit like Dark Souls or generic guff were nothing matters any more like AoS

>>53777808
>incredibly shitty lore
>AoS is hideous visually
Both of these are highly subjective.
I personally dislike both of these, but I'm not gonna sperg out about it or attack people for liking them.

>>53777813
>>tfw Fantasy used to be about bleeding out in a muddy farm ditch from a Goblin arrow wound
Fantasy was and is about a lot of things.
Stop exagerating

>>53777813
I don't really see how Warhammer Fantasy and Dark Souls are fundamentally different in tone. They deal with totally different scales sure, but they're both about hopelessness and preserverence in the face of it.

Hell, I would argue that Warhammer fantasy is actually more hopeless tha Dark Souls.

>>53777856
>I would argue that Warhammer fantasy
Not true.
Some grinkdark leaked in the last two editions, but WHFB has usually been pretty balanced; lots of dark stuff but also heroism and good triumphing over evil.

>>53777772
The aesthetic is pretty bad, desu~

>>53777813

I don't really see how Dark Souls is different from your arrow example. Not to mention that Miyazaki himself said that Dark Souls was inspired by Western pen and paper RPGs.

If you're talking about Warhammer Fantasy in specific, I've never bought the argument that it was all about gritty realism and that such a thing merely came about because of how the RPG portrayed things. I'm not sure how you can claim that Fantasy is somehow based in realism when the world came about as it did due to the meddling of ancient aliens who ripped a hole into another dimension from which pours out energy that mutates both living beings and the land itself.

The bottom image kinda exemplifies a trend I've come to hate in modern art direction in general.

It's all over designed, there's a lot of detail, most of it is without purpose and exists merely for the sake of having detail. There's no subtlety at all. Worst of all, when you zoom out (like in the image), all that detail turns into noise and I can't tell what the fuck is going on.

>>53777777
the numbers, they repeat

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>>53777902

The rank and file of the Stormcast and Khorne forces are actually relatively clean I think. As for Chaos being overly detailed, that is merely technology catching up to art. People who liked the art in Realms of Chaos and finally being able to make it into reality.

>>53777890
You can argue >>53777902 and I personally dislike it, but aethetic is subject to personal taste, not some universal scale.

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>>53777902

Yeah, particularly GW, especially now that they use CAD almost exclusively it seems, they think because they can make a skull texture "stamp", they should use it.

Miniatures need a focal point, be it a bare head on top of uniform armour, a weapon or a cloak or something. Otherwise it just looks like a mess coming towards you on the table.

When I was younger, people around me struggled to paint basic Space Marines fully within the lines, I can't imagine some of the abominations kids paint up these days. Probably leave a lot of it grey plastic.

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>>53777940
This.

>>53777808
>>>53777772
>Well, it is bad out of context because AoS is hideous visually and has incredibly shitty lore but "epic high fantasy" is not an inherently bad concept.

Taking the shitty lore into account is very much viewing it within context.

>>53777668
Are those ones from the bottom Warhammer 40k?

>>53777955
To be fair, not over accentuating every little bit of armour would go a long way to improve these minis; they actually look pretty good with the right paintjob.
I would have bought them if it wasn't for the pants on head retarded price.

>>53777964
The context being referred to is it replacing WHFB.

AoS would still be shit even if WHFB never existed.

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>>53777962
Also, for the sake of proving a point, the same guy who did warriors of Chaos also did iconic art for the Empire as well.

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>>53777997
This is Warhammer...

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>>53778005
Just as much as this and OP's image is.

>>53777873
I think he may have meant WFRP.

>>53778015
That's still the Warhammer world though, no?
Even if you are goons, there is still an elflord riding around on a dragon mowing down chaos warriors somewhere.

>>53777997
>>53778005
>>53778012
Warhammer has always had this busy and overly-detailed art-style, and has always lacked any subtlety or purpose. It's rule of cool all the way. That's okay, because that's the style of the game.

My original grievance here >>53777902 is that in modern day, in tabletop, videogames and TV, over-designing has become the norm. Like that other poster pointed out, technology has caught up and artists no longer feel the need to restrain themselves. Tabletop rulebook art is full of this kind of stuff, miniatures have tiny details and textures all over the place, videogames abuse normal maps, TV and movies are full of CGI with this problem.

There also seems to be some sort of feedback loop, where they keep adding more and more details and exaggerating more and more to keep ahead of the curve.

>>53777668
only thing i hate about AOS is the sigmarines themselves. so fucking ugly.

>>53778059
Don't get me wrong, I hate the art direction (for the most part) of AoS. It's too cartoony. It lacks any of the distinct style or grit of the old Warhammer stuff. Over designing stuff has always been fine, so long as you do it correctly and have good art direction.

That's really my only argument. I don't like people using "over detailed" as some kind of perjorative, even though that's what gave both Warhammer's their unique style in the first place.

>>53778059
>videogames abuse normal maps
if the normal maps went away you would miss them believe me.

>>53777897
>I'm not sure how you can claim that Fantasy is somehow based in realism when the world came about as it did due to the meddling of ancient aliens who ripped a hole into another dimension from which pours out energy that mutates both living beings and the land itself.
>he doesnt know about the antartica incident

>>53778112
There's a difference between using something and abusing something.

Nobody is saying that normal maps should go away.

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>>53777668
What's up with the spearman in the BG of the top image? Why isn't he helping?

>>53778598
See the guy in the red cloak?
40 years ago that guys grandpa sold the spearguy's grandpa a donkey that went lame the next week.

>>53777668
Top. Its clear what's at stake, and its about the characters and not the world.

>>53777668
I like neither, so you can fuck right off

>>53778749
Show us what you like.

>>53778738
You mean you don't care about the epic confrontation between the fat, awkward C3P0s and the queer NFL team?

>>53778598

>Chris get over here you fucking dickhead he's just killed Barry!
>nah mate, have you seen the size of that bastard, not getting involved

>>53777668
Are those Ultramarines?

>>53777668
So my options are bland, boring "you rolled poorly. The 6 goblins murder your squad of diseased conscripts" or overblown garbage?

>>53777668
Tip one feels more personal, and the dark age feeling it gives is something I prefer.
Bottom one just looks like 40k but without da boyz.

I'd love to play the top one if I knew where to get them

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>>53779874

http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f7e94ec383e427517fb011ab435e8f01&topic=85900.0

This guy's log is worth a peek, think he says which manufacturers everything is from.

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>>53777668
>If you prefer the bottom image to the top one, you are everything wrong with modern fantasy wargaming.
>bottom image
>fantasy

its clearly 40k you moron

>>53777668
>Still buttblasted that Not!Europe! The setting was axed in favor of AoS
I mean you have to give them credit for at least having the balls to end the setting instead of some asspull at the end where chaos gets beat somehow. Not only that but now they are free to try entirely new things since it's a new setting.

>>53777668
I agree that fantasy is superior, but you could not have chosen a worse picture.
The top scenario looks incredibly swayed in favor of the humans, a very boring outcome. And with so few models, it would resemble D&D 4e rather than actual Warhammer Fantasy.

>>53780461

>The top scenario looks incredibly swayed in favor of the humans

Mate he's nine foot tall and got a hammer bigger than their bodies.

>>53780457
>Not only that but now they are free to try entirely new things since it's a new setting.

And 90% of those things have been fucking awful.

>>53780461
A troll/ogre guy vs a couple of humans is much more compelling and even than epic for the win invincible spice marines vs punching bags.

>>53780525
In your opinion. Disciples of Tzeentch, Sylvaneth, Kharadron Overlords, and Ironjaws have all been great from a design standpoint. All of these are new things and all of them are fun and are new when it comes to bucking old tropes...except the Orks however, but that's to be expected

>>53780457
They could have stomped Warhammer Fantasy the Game but let the setting still exist and still bring out novels and such things.

AoS could be something entirely new.

>>53780559
>All of these are new things

Sylvaneth and Ironjaws are just extensions of stuff that already existed; bigger Dryads and bigger Orcs respectively.

>>53780586
>Bigger dryads

Nigga it's said multiple times that Sylvaneth are fucking crazy as shit and that no one can really trust them because they slaughter everything without prejudice. Last I checked, treebeard didn't go out of his way to kill living stuff, nor did any dryads in fantasy settings, unless they were fucked with first. Sylvaneth destroy anything with a heartbeat

>>53777758

Yes. Yes they are.

>>53777777
Nurgle approves.

>>53780581
>let the setting still exist

What's the point of that?
I'm glad the setting got closure.

>>53777777
PRAISE THE PLAGUEFATHER

>>53777668
I do like AoS. I'm sick and tired of grimdark nonsense that dominated the genre for the last decade.

>>53780633
What about literally the dryads from the fantasy setting they're an extension of.
Even fucking TWhammer has the fucking tree people of the wood elves be all batshit

>>53780535
>spice marines

WE WILL FLAMBE THE ENEMIES OF MANKIND

>>53781814
Better not get a closure rather than the rushed, half assed thing they came out with

>>53777777
Well meme'd friend, kek smiles.

>>53781902
What genre?
You mean fantasy? It had D&D, golarion, KoW and a bunch of other settings that weren't grimdark in the slightest

You mean sci-fi? It had infinity, mass effect, star wars,even there, these are not grimdark at all.

You just didn't like warhammer fantasy and couldn't be bothered to try another setting more to your liking

>>53777813
>>tfw Fantasy used to be about bleeding out in a muddy farm ditch from a Goblin arrow wound

he said, posting an image of Comedy Goblins circa 1993

>>53777955
Point taken, but you know the reverse is true, and it killed Bretonnians as a line. Faced with the blank slate of a horse tabard, even pretty qualified painters often give up. Painting a dozen or so for an Empire army - especially within the knightly orders and their well-defined iconography - is fine; painting an entire army where pretty much every horse has to be different *and* you're going to get shit on anyway because the only other people who play them are all heraldry buffs... it's easier not to.

>>53780633
Sounds like the wood elves but with less lore and history.

Grrrrr I hate things, Grrr I hate people who don't hate the things I hate. Fuck off. Fantasy can explore a broad number of themes, just limiting yourself to one or two is FINE, as long as you don't continue this bullshit idea that fantasy has and should only ever be one thing. You might not be the cause of the issues in the entertainment industry, but you sure as fuck aren't helping.

And AoS may not be great, but the genre it exists in isn't new, and has been around for as long as fantastical fiction has existed.

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>>53782157
and big, meaty thighs

>>53782120
My last contact with GW prior to picking AoS up few months ago was in 2008 or so. And if you think Infinity isn't grimdark, you clearly never read the fluff and just looked at the shiny images. Even in D&D, "realism" fags ruined the game by turning it into a shitty WFRP attempt. I for one welcome the shift from beige, brown and black back to vibrant colours.

>>53782192
the new models are just too anime

>>53780343
It's not, actually, it's AoS, which is probably indicative of the very problem the thread is discussing.

It's lost the identity that the first one had, and now they're all some big vague fantasy puree.

Old fantasy was the sickness, new fantasy is the cure.

>>53782595
I thought calling AoS 40K was a new meme I missed in my past two weeks' absence

>>53777987
this guys have it right, GW display miniatures are painted in a way to show off as many details of the dude as possible

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>>53777668
What are some popular skirmish gaming systems for low fantasy as shown in the top picture?

I'm interested in getting into that kind of gritty sword and sorcery wargaming, but don't know of any good systems to use.

>>53777668
You made me want to build some more scenery like that in the top. Thanks Anon

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>>53783166
Seconding this

>>53782449
Maybe think about things before you use your fingers to communicate.

>>53777668

While I don't have the visceral hatred of AoS that some do. I feel like 40k already represented the 'retardly over the top fantasy' niche.

>>53777777

> AVE NURGLE!
> AVE NURGLE!
> AVE NURGLE!

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>>53782192

>people like different thing.
what a fucking shocker.
i like Aos and Lord of the Rings but found WFB exceedingly dull after a while.

>>53777668
That's just like your opinion man.
I like cartoons and metal music. A game that provides the same feeling is cool in my book.

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>>53783166
>>53783893

Song of Blades and Heroes, and Open Combat. SAGA too. /awg/ has all the files.

>>53783166
Huesca's Bell... a fellow spanish comrade in /tg/?

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>>53777777

The father smiles upon us this day.

>>53777668
The gameplay for AoS looks fun to me, but none of the factions click with me.

Skaven look interesting but I already run two swarm armies in 40k and don't want to invest into another. On top of this i can't really say I would stick with them.

>>53786032
well what would you look for exactly? all the previous races are still about other than the horse fuckers and egyptian skeletons.

>>53782192

I plan on starting a Sylvaneth army. Only problem is the fluff just seems so vast and expansive that nothing seems to matter anymore. Like there is an infinite number of everything in an infinite universe.

>>53786717
I honestly have no idea. Just none of the ones looked good when I was at my local games workshop. Sylvaneth look kind of cute to play, but I've only seen two people play AoS ever and it was a chaos vs undead game.

>>53783166
Lotr strat bat game, Frostgrave. I'd love to know more

>>53786860
not really. if you scratch the surface of the fluff, you'll find things are a lot more limited. during the realm gates wars, most of the realms are almost totally dominated by chaos. ghyran especially. everything was on it's last legs.

>>53786861
sylvaneth are very good. i have a unit of kurnoth hunters in front of me right now and the models are fucking fantastic. i haven't been impressed with a kit like that in quite a long time.

>>53787034

so do you still have human towns and settlements, with areas akin to the old world?

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>>53777668
GROGNARD LAMER ALERT

GROGNARD LAMER ALERT


GROGNARD LAMER ALERT


GROGNARD LAMER ALERT

GROGNARD LAMER ALERT

GROGNARD LAMER ALERT

>>53787118
indeed. the newish warhammer quest game is set in a city like that. hammerhal or hammerfel, something like that. i forget. and city of secrets (a novel) goes into a lot of details about the mortal races and their daily lives.

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>>53783166
Well there's-
>popular
oh
Have it anyway though, get a group together

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>>53782192
>not posting the superior version

>>53777813
So you're saying it's an improvement?

>>53780493
In all fairness pic related is only about 4ft tall including the hair and is such an amazing killer that the god of the bulwark against all of Chaos said "Alright, tag out, you take over for me."

So size really doesn't count for much.
Nor do numbers at that

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>>53787580
Well fuck me with a branch and call me an elf, I forgot the image.

>>53783166
Lord of the rings. Best GW's done.

>>53780457
>Not!Europe!
Two exclamation points, now? Whatever was wrong with just good old hyphenation?

>>53785466
I bet you liked the Hobbit changes too you sick son of a bitch.

>>53787695
yep. special strikes to actually make wounding things easier? fuck yes. and having actual warbands to make you consider what options to take? oh fucking yes.

>>53787598
Mark Gibbons' illustrations were great.

>>53788118
Special strikes were implemented too haphazardly and warbands are too limiting. Them making you have to consider what you were taking is complete bullshit because they're inferior in that regard to the old army lists. Only thing they improved was deployment speed.

>>53777844
> not sperg out over something stupid
Do you know where you are right now?

>>53787400
>>53785224
you have no idea how upset i was when i found out she was the wrong scale to convert into a Sororitas Hospitaller

>>53780633
But that's literally what Drycha and some other tree people did in WHFB.

>>53780559
Disciples of Tzeentch just produced miniatures for creatures that already existed in WHFB lore, and others have already addressed Sylvaneth and Ironjaws

If you are going to claim that AoS does something better than WHFB, at least educate yourselves on WHFB. Newfags.

>>53788329
warbands arent' limiting in the slightest. all it did was make you take a low level hero to make your troops actually act like a unit. special strikes work and work well. it gives a little nice definition between troop types.

>>53788856
Kahardrons say hi. one of the best fucking things to come out of GW period.

>>53788938
>steamshit
Into the trash it goes.

>>53778032
That don't matter much when your bollocks take off in the night to join chaos. Tone is based on perspective. WFRP is an individual perspective of the setting and that perspective is hopeless and horrible almost entirely regardless of where you're at.

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>>53788938

Aha, no lad. They hit the aesthetic they want yes, doesn't necessarily make it a good concept in the first place.

Enjoy your "shuffle round tin men with the only hint of tactics being 12" area of effects".

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>>53788938
>Steampunk Squats
Get in the fucking van.

>>53789007
will do. i'll be happy with cool fucking airships and dorf pirates. enjoy your dead generic fantasy.

>>53777668

>fantasy is now just science fiction lite

Kill me

>>53789164
yeah and? most sci fi is fantasy with pew pew guns. that's nothing new

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>>53788910
Warbands are limiting because 12 models a guy where you can't even truly choose where they'll be deployed to act in cohesion with the rest of your force is crap. They were already functioning as units since lone men were easier pickings than ranked up spearmen with banners and other buffs bearby, which is again an inferior version of the old army lists that had their own special shit and we're formed up to do different things in an army.
Special strikes are, as their name implies, special. But not in a good way.
They bog down the game because you were too chicken shit to take cavalry or two-handed weapons or big burly creatures and have no limitation, if you can model an axe on something that fucker can piercing strike no matter how stupid.
Perhaps the worse though is the loss of the model limit, which I can assume is the main reason for forcing a hero every 12 men, because now orcs can swamp you with over 50 dudes at low points while if you're playing elves or something you'll be lucky to get over one band given how pricey even your generic captains get.
Let's also not mention the stupid move and fire penalty when half move was enough and the strongest ranged weapons were move or fire to begin with, or the loss of volley fire.

>>53789099
I'll play with the superior space dwarves.

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>>53789099

Thanks mate.

In fifty years I think people will still be writing stories about ruddy-nosed Dwarfs. I don't see that happening for Bloodbound Bloodsecrators or whatever boring plastic kits GW's gutted Design Studio gets told to shove out.

>>53777777
YES! FILL MY BODY WITH BLISSFUL PESTILENCE!

>>53789197
>Mantic
>superior anything.
>laughing space elves.jpg

>>53789203
i doubt it. when was the last time you even saw a story about warhammer style dwarves that wasn't fan fiction or generic fantasy game?

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>>53789265
Their space elves use robots.
And kidnap people.

>>53789324
and? the fact that they're even space elves in the first place is painful. use some fucking imagination and get out of GW's shadow.

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>>53789197

The new sculpts of these, that don't re-use Mantic's Fantasy Dwarfs, look very nice indeed.

>>53789287

The Dwarves is a nice book series. Other than books, outside of MOBA-style shitfests like AoS, most dwarfs in RPGs and video games follow the Tolkien tropes that the GW ones clearly take from too.

>>53778165
but anon it's 4chan, we are all sith here

>>53789420
Damn, now I'm not sure if I should go for them or the vyr-myn.

>>53780559
and why couldn't we have both them and Old World

>>53786898
>>53787667
The great thing about LotR SBG is that it can do both things in the OP.

>>53789324
those are protoss, no?

>>53789560
It feels weird to have an orc gunline, but damn is it fun.
Why don't more people use bolt throwers? Gondor has some cheap op ones that fire d6.

>>53789561
Asterians, Protoss are shitty ripoffs much like anything Blizzard has ever donde.

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>>53789561
No, marionettes.

>>53789602
And the space skaven and not-squats aren't?

>>53786717
>>53787034
>>53787063
>>53787226
GW go away

>>53777668
But top isn't even wargaming, it's clearly roleplaying with miniatures.

>>53777668
I'm gay so I prefer bottom.

>>53789761
Bottom clearly isn't wargaming, it's an advert to a videogame.

>>53777940
Don't you dare fucking compare that lazy CAD crap to Ian Miller or Blanche.

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>>53787180
FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT

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>>53789761

>I have never heard of skirmish wargaming: the post

>>53780633
The Wood Elf tree kin buddies from Warhammer have been batshit crazy murder forests since at least 2003, and probably even before that. They aren't wise and passive tree people, they're brutally anti human SPITES. They're old school fairies, shaped like trees.

>>53789901
>you can stab him with your steely knife but you just can't kill the beast
Fucking dwarves.

>>53782234
You've clearly never seen the shiny, vibrant colours of Warhammer, friend.

>>53788938
Because in WHFB dwarfs never had gyrocopter nor gyrobomber models, nor had airships in the lore, and GW could never have pushed this aspect of the faction.

Again, educate yourself on WHFB before opening your mouth. Newfag.

>>53777777
>777777
FUCKING CHRIST

>>53790049
I'd prefer of they had developed their ships instead.
Imagine a huge empire/dwarf/also high elf because fuck the dark elves colony just north of Lustria.

>>53780633
>didn't go out of his way to kill living stuff, nor did any dryads in fantasy settings

Except Warhammer Fantasy. Sylvaneth are just bigger Warhammer Dryads. Hell, Drycha was a Dryad who wanted to murderfuck everything living so bad, you couldn't take any Wood Elves if you took her as your general. I think Durthu the Treeman had a similar outlook in the earlier army book, even though he didn't make into the 6e book.

>>53777668
>If you prefer better photography and painting you are everything wrong with modern fantasy wargaming.

>>53790703
>fog and noisy clusterfuck is better than a clean theme and sense of personality

>>53790703

Clearly not the case

>>53790114
I wanted more from the notion of Dwarf Zeppelins.

>>53789791
>>53789761

Neither image need to have anything to do with Fantasy Wargaming. OP just states that liking one makes you what's wrong with modern fantasy wargaming. They could be two pictures of floppy dongs and his point would still be the same.

>>53789901
>grass flocked bases
>cobblestone mat
AUTISM TRIGGERED

>>53777813
I think there's a lot of potential overlap between baroque dark shit and bleeding out in a muddy farm ditch from a goblin arrow wound.

>>53791741
Anon, my floppy dongs inflate which makes them superior for anal unlike your solid floppy dongs.
This is inarguable.

fantasy is the problem with wargaming

>>53777668
I demand to know where that troll mini is from. And all the rest of the top image too.

>>53793510
blood rage. It's a board game

>>53782192
i dont get how anyone can like the new models
theyre such fucking trash

>>53778059
>overdesign

you have just explained why Attack on Titan got as popular as it did.
it was a breath of fresh air.

simple nude enemies.
everyone has the same uniform (military, duh)
nothing was out of the ordinary in design.

>>53777758
>Everybody should just keep their opinions to themselves

>>53783011
Are there examples of less over-the-top paintjobs on them?
Because I'm just starting out at this shit, and I know I'll get crap for saying this but a lot of these paint jobs intimidate the heck out of me.

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>>53790049
To be fair, the Overlords' entrepreneurship has a very different cultural outlook then we ever seemed to get from the Old World Dwarves.

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>>53794432
>Attack on Titan
>it was a breath of fresh air

>>53796149
consdier this many villians these days are attempts if not actualization of human nuanced characters with a sympathetic backstory and are often morally grey, the titans in comparison are basically zombies that eat people

many could think ofthat as a breath of fresh air for an anatgonisitic force

>>53796183
>villians these days are attempts if not actualization of human nuanced characters with a sympathetic backstory and are often morally grey
That's pretty much the Titan Shifters

>>53796183
Didn't it turn out that titans are all from some opressed ethnic group in another kingdom or something?

>>53777758
Haha!!! Great post dear Anonymous ;)) Just gold!!! ;)) Upvote!

>>53777902
well to exsplain the over use of detail is because of the other half of the hobby. i have friends who buy models they will never use just because its a cool model to build and paint and looks good in a glass case.

>>53777668
A lot of the time our party starts as the top image, and winds up as the bottom image. Which I think is really fun.

>>53777668
The bottom image is good for final battles, which involve massive armies of good and evil; most of the time though you want the top image. Large battles are like spice, use in moderation

>>53780633

>the strongest of the treeman ancient has to be locked up since he wants to kill all non-plant life
>dryads innately hate all living, but tolerate wood elves
>drycha goes even further
>durthu, the most pro-mortal ancient, ultimately goes mad with rage against orcs and dwarfs, goes on genocidal crusade

>>53777668
Top one is not representative of what goes on in a typical warhammer fantasy battle. The second one could be a low tier AoS game.

That said, I prefer the feel of the top image but it's not a very good representation of what you're gonna get.

>>53777847
Thanks Anon, getting so fricking sick of all these posters that decide for me WHAT IS WARHAMMER. Fine that they like that aspect of it, i do too, but I'm not gonna dictate that to other people.

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>>53777668
The top one is not fantasy wargaming. It's fantasy adventure gaming.

The bottom one is more like a war, though.

>>53796149

The first 20 chapters were

>discussing whether a piece of media is good or not
>always the "dats highly subjective" crew around to defend the media from any criticism because its clearly impossible to come to consensus opinions and "bad taste" is a myth

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>>53789203
>W-WELL IN FIFTY Y-YEARS MY SETTING WILL STILL BE ALIVE


Not saying aos will survive but nigga your game isn't even alive now

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>>53798313

>doesn't even know about Oldhammer

GW drones are the worst.

>>53777668
The top image is the start of the adventure, the bottom is the end of the campaign.

>>53797742
It could be part of a good mordheim battle.

>>53798370
It sounds like you have a lot of emotions invested but look Im sorry bro fantasy is gone and its not coming back, now all you have are a bunch of dumb looking dwarf models. Stick round bases on them, come play age of sigmar, or just go away.

>>53798370
Don't you open that traaaap dooooor

>>53798428

You don't need round bases for AoS, was the 4 pages of rules too hard?

GW has taken you for a complete mug.

>>53798428

Epic didn't die when GW stopped supporting it, Blood Bowl blossomed when the fans took over making the rulebook and third parties made miniatures, it was so successful that now GW's come back like a drunk father to try and make a bit of money.

If you need GW to hold your hand I feel bad for you as a person.

>>53798467
I legitimately havent seen a game of Epic, blood bowl, or BFG since like 2005, maybe longer.

>>53798495
I have seen more Epic than AoS in the last 6 months at my LFGS

>>53798525
Do you live in Narnia?!

>>53798538
Nope

>>53798495

Blood Bowl is still one of GW's biggest tournament games, a decade after GW dropped it.

https://www.thenaf.net/leagues/leagues-locator/

This is just the "official" leagues, there'll be plenty others not registered with the NAF.

>>53798428
>come play age of sigmar
But nobody even play it.

>>53786032
Give wild with what you want Anon, you can mix and match any units from a grand alliance into one army. You want Ogers backed up with trolls and a giant spider, go for it, or do you want a group of chaos warriors that have gained the following of a mighty beast like the cygor or a Ghorgon, then go for it! This is what I like about age of Sigmar (and 40k now)

While I agree that the top image is better, your reaction to the bottom image is way out of proportion to what it is.

>>53777813
I too miss 'muh mud, blood, and rusted iron' fantasies.

>>53799068
>I too miss 'muh mud, blood, and rusted iron' fantasies

What's stopping you from creating that narrative in AoS?

>>53799087
His autism

>>53799087
Did they rerelease Flagellants or Men-At-Arms while I wasn't looking?

>>53799087
Can Sigmarite (tm) plate (tm) armour (tm) even rust?

>>53799087

>What's stopping you from creating that narrative in AoS?

Think harder, why even bother?

Rules aren't great, all the new miniatures are not conducive to that aesthetic.

And arguably the biggest point is I don't think the games is overwhelmingly popular, in the same way that a lot of people played 40k because whilst it wasn't exactly what they wanted to play, it was the game they could definitely turn up and play at the shop or club.

>>53799246
Wasn't it the 4th most popular game recently? Like actual metrics, the one that always get waved around with X-Wing on it.

>>53799276
It was the 4th most sold game one semester over the two years it has been out.

>>53799298
Okay, still don't think it's as dead as /tg/ wants it to be. And the only evidence used for the game being dead is anecdotal evidence that can't be verfied and how many posters we have in the general (even though the AoS general is shit)

>>53799312
In my area it's so dead even the Gates of Antares scene is more lively.

>>53799087
How can you do that in a setting where everything is named something like bloodgorge thundermountain and everything is so magical that even plants shit lightning?
Everyone is in a sort of different pocket dimension with fucking warpstorms around.
This simply isn't a setting where this kind of "poor man's fantasy" is viable. Much like new warcraft

>>53799327
Yeah and that's anecdotal and might be just made up.

>>53799276

This one?

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016

>The charts are based on interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers.

Well that's good but I have no idea to the methodology of these guys, even though I see it frequently posted. I don't know if it's USA only or Worldwide or what. Not worth a "pro" subscription.

I know for a fact GW do not make line-by-line breakdowns available, even to their own shareholders. Maybe FFG want X-wing to look big so shared some information that makes it look as such like stock amounts or whatever.

Looking at GW's financials, particularly revenues before you throw in the "free" profit from licensing out video games, they haven't changed a great deal in the last few years. Makes you question whether it was worth the effort of cancelling one franchise and creating a new one.

>And the only evidence used for the game being dead is anecdotal evidence that can't be verfied and how many posters we have in the general

We also don't have proper evidence of it being a success either.

>>53799399
>Well that's good but I have no idea to the methodology of these guys, even though I see it frequently posted.
Still better than: Well in my Shop in my town nobody plays it. Which is literally the definition of anecdotal evidence, which also might just be lies.
>We also don't have proper evidence of it being a success either.
True, so maybe we should stop arguing about it, and also stop throwing it around as an argument.

>>53799437

Exactly, so what's the point in me bothering to play AoS in a 'muh mud, blood, and rusted iron' style?

Do I need GW to hold my hand?

>>53799536
No? What might be nice for that style is that the rules are more optimised to play with 'individuals' instead of large blobs of infantry. Maybe small scale/skirmish games would work well.

It might also be worthwhile to check some of the times of war rules, since they can add some cool enviromental effects that could communicate the flavor.

My gaming group plays AoS since it's more friendly to beginners, and doesn't require us to paint endless blobs of infantry. From the background perspective, we just play it in a version of the Old World.

>>53782120
Good luck easily finding players for those games. The reason people get so picky with 40k and AoS/Fantasy is because those are so easy to find players for. So they feel like it's their only option.

>>53797798
For me it was more like what planned on doing with what they were going to do with the setting, I've lost interest long before they did the basement arc (I still completed it to finish up).
Also it didn't help that Erin kept reminding me of Naruto or Natsu Dragneel, where it was interesting to start in the beginning with the powers but loses steam as the story soon becomes lackluster and either doesn't know really know what to do with the character or (in the case of Natsu) make their Special go outside the suspension of disbelief and tolerance.
Erin feels like a mix of Naruto and Shinji, so a more aggressive Ichigo Kurosaki.

I was more interested in reading Nurarihyon no Mago (Grandson of Nurarihyon), Sekainohate de Aimashou (At the End of the World to Love), Samurai High School, and Shiinake no Hitobito
(Sorry listing but I was hoping I gave enough examples of what I enjoyed reading, I'm usual bad with japanese titles anyways)

>TL;DR it was ok but mostly "meh"

>>53799883
Meh, it's really easier to find players for KoW than AoS or fantasy.

>>53788938
Holy shit this post is a joke right?

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>>53777813
Keep it real bros. Fantasy used to be cool skirmish battles and barn burning action.

Now its magic asshammers and demon fuckboys. No room left for shortbows and halberds.

>>53778598
Its all part of the master plan bro. You think that troll even knows that guy is there. In two rounds he will charge to deliver the killing blow with a flanking bonus.

>>53799312
/tg/ doesn't think. or play games. it just sits on it's fat ass all day whining. it's like dakka or warseer. just with more swearing.

>>53777772
So, you have been triggered

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>>53777668
i don't. and for the record, if you prefer left, you're all that is wrong with modern fantasy roleplaying

>>53801767
WOW surely did a lot of damage to the fantasy genre.

>>53789099
>will do. i'll be happy with cool fucking airships and dorf pirates. enjoy your dead generic fantasy.
will do. love me some mythical medieval europe, instead of look-at-me-and-my-gimmick-of-the-week-attention-whoring-asscancer

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>>53789190
this fine gentleman would like to have a word with you

>>53777668
I like them both, get fukt faggot lol

>>53782192
This model exemplifies the thing I hate most about GW's current art direction. They seem obsessed with really sharply bevelled edges on everything; horns, weapon blades, claws, trees you name it

>>53798313
Yeah i mean it's not like the setting is currently in use by a triple AAA strategy title... Oh wait

>>53777668

I prefer top but I play Inq28 and DAoS, so I'm an outlier already.

>>53777668
But I like both of these things...

>>53777856
not the biggest expert but warhammer fantasy is much more grounded than dark souls
dark souls is like a weird dream, time is all fucked up, warhammer is much more like real life
even if there's reference to it, I can't see the life of some peasant son turned military actually happen in dark souls, unlike in WHF

>>53808895
Well dark souls is implied to exist in a world that has all those normal bits but they're all gunked up and you need to gum out the machine/smash it

Sort of like the realm of chaos in warhammer. It's the "magic world" part of any fantasy setting

>>53783166
Song of Blades and Heroes is my go to.

>>53785631
>>53797589
>>53797787
>>53798409
>>53807300
>>53808123
My melanin enhanced brethren

>>53780233
Absolutely awful.

>mixed models from different manufacturers
>didn't just use GW squigs but had to show off
>Painted gnoblars and goblins the same colour in direct contravention of lore
>Painted squigs colours not see in lore
>Seems to have made beasts that have no basis in any fantasy canon.

This guy would be told to leave my FLGS pretty much immediately.

>>53813064
What's wrong with any of that, drone ?

>>53782192
Wow, so anglo finally made first official transeual miniature with hijab?

>>53789099
>staempunk dwarves
>not generic
pick one

>>53813243
Its just that there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. The right way to do goblins was set out by GW and there is no value in someone who comes along and messes it up; no amount of try-hard photography or photoshop enhanced painting will make up for that.

>>53813243
I believe he's being sarcastic. Some of the stores, especially GW ones, can have such autistic managers that prohibit playing with models such as he described.

>>53797759
Also there's some understandable salt that the dial for AoS seems to be broken, set to one aspect only.

>>53813443
>hurr you shousldn't use your own colour-scheme, durr, you shouldn't use gnoblars to show fun goblins
Top kek
kys redditor

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>>53798428
And yet, every video game that comes out on the fantasy side of Warhammer is the classic Warhammer fantasy, not this AoS abomination.

Beyond people who shitpost on 4chan, there is no question which theme and which lore is more popular.

I say this as someone that has never actually played a tabletop game of Warhammer in my life, yet I know who the Witch King is, who Nagash is, who Gotrek and Felix are, who Teclis and Tyron are. Seriously, I don't know a goddamn thing about Age of Sigmar other than the minis look ridiculous.

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>>53789897

SHE GOT BUNS, HON!

SHE GOT BUNS, HON!

SHE GOT BUNS, HON!

SHE GOT BUNS, HON!

>>53813582
This is a problem of execution and implementation.
There's plenty of lore there, and it can theoretically handle plenty of styles.
But when the first book came out....
Let me put it this way: When Rogue Trader, the very first 40k book came out, it told you about the Empire, and many of its different enemies. It told you about the Warp, and psychic powers, and Space Marines.
Yes, obviously, the lore would get rewritten many, many, MANY times, but there was plenty of lore there.
In the first Sigmar book? The only thing you know is that there's Chaos, and Sigmarines.
That's fucking it.
MAYBE you get the names of all the realms, but I'm not even 100% sure on that.
Since then, the lore's been spooned out pretty sparingly, sometimes in Battletomes, sometimes in novels. (Doesn't help that, when you ask around here about the lore, rather then giving a helpful primer, fans just shit down your throat with READ MUH BATTLETOMES, even if your question isn't covered by them.)
It's all there; just not very accessible yet.

>>53813464
You're a moron if you think that's acceptable. We're all trying to share the same imagined universe, and that's tough enough as it is, and here comes Johnny Original subverting established shit left and right, asking us to accept his 'fun' goblins even though they undermine all efforts to have a consistent fantasy.

Fuck you, fuck that photographer, and fuck anyone who thinks it is going to just 'use' whatever they like in the hobby.

>>53813650
Chaos isn't even in Rogue Trader. The default bad guys are just goofy aliens, mutants, and traitors.

>>53813650
The question is though, why did this need to be done in the first place?

The classic Warhammer fantasy lore seems, well, great. The aesthetic is great and unique in fantasy as well. I don't understand why this whole reinvention was necessary in the first place, other than encouraging people to buy more shit.

>>53813678
So you agree that you knew more about the setting then ONE FACTION and ONE OTHER FACTION and THEY FIGHT?

>>53813717
AoS' setting is as relevant as Dota's. No wonder no one cares about it.

>>53813739
>>53813717
Also I was putting that forward as a positive. Chaos is alright, but it absolutely shouldn't be the focus of anything because its honestly kind of boring.

>>53813681
An argument can be made that AoS is theoretically friendlier to Your Dudes.
In 40k, you've got this huge galaxy, where you can easily make up a planet for your guys to be from.
I love the Old World, but there's a lot of filled-in stuff there. The Realms of AoS are (theoretically) defined enough to give you something to work from, but leaving plenty of room for you to carve out your own area and identity for your guys.
Now, yes, the AoS shift was very much a corporate decision, and was handled in a wrongheaded fashion, but I don't want to just keep shitting on it forever - I'm willing to believe that good things can come out of it.

>>53793594
I fucking love that particular model though. Would paint it easily, a shame no one plays/gives a fuck about AoS where I play.

>>53813762
Fair point on the Chaos bit.
And I swear, there's potential in Sigmar.
This idea that all of the Realms are open for people to take them back...it has potential.
Problem is, they don't talk about the lore for the more 'normal' armies, because they give out the lore in battletomes, and only do those for the new hotness. Which leaves the dial stuck on 11. (Even Spinal Tap would tell you that 11 is just for special occasions.)

>>53813769
AoS can't really be friendly to your dudes, since nothing much is important in the realms. In fact, WHFB, with the Border Princes, litlle scheming nobles, free companies, warbands was pretty much fair game for your dudes since not much was set in stone but a handful of figureheads for every faction. But the wotld was finite and actually mattered.

>>53813769
>I'm willing to believe that good things can come out of it.

Then you are the poison that is killing everything worth loving. Get out.

>>53813769
>An argument can be made that AoS is theoretically friendlier to Your Dudes.
Except you don't need the setting for it anymore.
>I love the Old World, but there's a lot of filled-in stuff there.
Such as? For example.
>>53813796
>Problem is, they don't talk about the lore for the more 'normal' armies,
Because game and setting focused on superhero-fantasy (like Thor)

>>53813681
>encouraging people to buy more shit
You have nailed the main reason on the head sir. The Old World was squatted for the same reason that 40k and other games are constantly re-released - to force players to put aside the armies they already have and to buy new figures.

>>53813769
>The Realms of AoS are (theoretically) defined enough to give you something to work from,
Just like emptiness

>>53787667
recommendations on alternatives for minis? the GW ones are ridiculous even by GW price standards.

>>53813391
>literally copying the most stereotypical elves and dwarves
>not generic

pick one

>>53813964
>>literally copying the most stereotypical elves and dwarves
Since when Melnibone-like elves became copypasta of Noldors?
Also stereotypical dwarves are jews, not scots.

>>53807665
and yet somehow the actual game itself died the fuck out because everyone stopped buying it

really makes you think.

>>53813996
>because everyone stopped buying it
Gee I wonder who fucked up 8th edition through price-policy and shitty rules.

>>53814012
>implying people were buying things even before that happened

The game was dead for years sales wise, anon. It's time to let it go.

>>53798423
True, although it might be a bit too rural for that.
Maybe it's for a warhammer fantasy roleplay scene.

It would be really cool if they made a small skirmish / campaign game in the fantasy setting.

>>53814026
>>implying people were buying things even before that happened
Well the game was in top-5 bestsellers in US in 2013 (year before the EndTimes)

>>53813796
>And I swear, there's potential in Sigmar.
Like in any ultiverse settings because "dude, endless worlds, imao"

>>53814107
>multiverse
fix

>>53791966
>he doesn't carry around a satchel full of turf to tactically deploy under his feet in urban environments

>>53814214
>home turf trait abuse

>>53813681
>unique in fantasy
>The game that ripped over every fantasy setting ever.
>The game that turned all the ripoffs into a clusterfuck of convoluted lore almost on 40Ks scale.

>>53813825
I'm actually pretty sure the warhammer roleplay games kind of flat out said nothing you do matters in the first place. So it's not a big change anyway.

>>53815314
Its pretty daft to pretend WHFB did not have a distinctive aesthetic for most of its factions. Its tone was quite different to most mainstream stuff as well.

>>53813769
>The Realms of AoS are (theoretically) defined enough to give you something to work from, but leaving plenty of room for you to carve out your own area and identity for your guys

That's what I have done for my guys, take a look and see how I have made my dudes varied and unique

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY

>>53813681
Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. WHFB wasn't pulling in enough profits (Rumor has it that the fucking paints were making them more near the very end) due to a lot of the players having gotten everything they needed a long ass time ago and being content with that, and a lot of people seeking out non-GW alternative miniatures. From what I understand, Brets were the big offender on that last front since there wasn't really all that much distinguishing them from cheaper, historicals, so people just bought perry miniatures

>>53815344
The problem with WHFB is that GW took a shit on the system and stopped supporting it, so you weren't getting new blood in because the rules were designed to require 70 trillion models that are only there so they can then be removed without doing anything and old players were burning out also from the shitty rules and lack of support creating a snowball of fewer and fewer players and nobody buying anything because it's either pointless to start or there's nothing new to buy.

>>53814032
There was an Empire in Flames setting for Mordheim that was based in the countryside.
That said, I don't think the OP image is supposed to be GW necessarily.

>>53815344
There is not a single plastic kit that can serve as a satisfactory stand in for Bretonnian knights. The Perry knights are War of the Roses era, completely different aesthetic and the Fireforge knights are too early.

And if you go for metals you end up paying just as much if not more as what GW charged for the plastic knights.

>>53815344
WHFB wasn't pulling profits because
>most of the last releases were pure garbage, state-troops-in-pyjamas-tier, and those were far in between
>the ruleset was totally stale and GW refused to make a new edition
>the GW studio chaos fanboys were mad at the community for making Chaos lose in the Storm of Chaos
>the game was more unbalanced than ever, with autowin and autolose lists
The fact is, AoS still has to prove it can be as good as WHFB, because so fat it has registered only once amongst the best selling wargames, and it was 4th.

>>53815767
4th is still DAMN Strong for year the first/second year of it's lifespan

>>53815790
It's extremely shit for a game that has multiple monthly new releases.

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>>53777777
Yes, YES

>>53815803
Only for half of the year. And also there's the fact that a lot of salty WHFB players tried/are still trying to strangle the thing in it's crib.

>>53815831
There's no need to strangle it. It's pretty dead already.

>>53815877
Only cause of the new 40k release

>>53815831

>WHFB players tried/are still trying to strangle the thing in it's crib.

Aha what, are they hiding AoS boxes in between the board games or something?

GW should pull the plug on AoS and focus on 40k, honestly. There's nothing to salvage in this mess.

>>53815905
Mostly just shitting on it, nonstop, for the first 9 or so months of it's life.

>>53815332
>Angry dwarves being very angry.
>The Melnibonean empire
>An empire every mummy film ever
>A half assed rip off of Morcocks chaos only somehow worse.
>Evil ratmen who are obviously evil
>The holy roman empire
>Retarded Orcs
>Gothic vampires
>"Uplifted by a scfi race gaiz? That's high original right?"
>Furry lizardmen Aztecs
>Lore is an uninspired incestuous clusterfuck of people no one gives a shit about.

I can't see how anyone could legit not joking say this is a good or anyway not standard fantasy setting.

>>53815949
You are doing it for the (You)'s, aren't you?

>>53815831
Honestly, I've seen much more salt from AOS players than from WHFB diehards. You can't say a bad thing about their perfect little game without them REEEEEing something about 'salty WHFB grognards'.

>>53798428
>play age of shitmar
>when Kings of War exists

>>53799312
Being sold doesn't mean being played.
Old Fantasy boxes count as sigmar sales, even if they come with square bases.

>>53799087
The retirement of Empire Militia/Mordheim plastics, for a start. Also the setting itself.

>>53816006
It's a thing a lot of players have sadly developed due to the mods almost never doing their job for the first half year of AoS threads. There was pretty much at least one WHFB poster in there, at all times, just shitposting and trolling and they pretty much never got janitor'd or banned for it.

>>53788938
KYS 40cuck!

>>53816028
See? this is what I was talking about. Imagine this, at least once an hour, every thread, for six months

I am so glad Northstar are releasing those plastic Dwarves and Orcs. Got to have someone releasing actual decent fantasy stuff to counterbalance GW's unending torrent of shit.

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>>53813946
Historicals. Same scale even, just stick to ranges from the dark ages and prior.
It's a shame how much they cost now, they were quite cheap before.

>>53815767
To be fair, it's about time Chaos started winning honestly

>>53816086
>It's real
Holy shit I hope it's as good as the barbarian sprues, those are the shit.

Osprey really makes the best multi-part plastic kits nowadays.

I'm not into Warhammer and don't care about the AoS drama but the top image fills me with warmth and comfort, it's exactly what I imagine in my head when I play TTRPGs. It's also familiar and sets the tone instantly, you immediately understand at least a bit of the culture of the men fighting the creature and also sets up the immediate danger they face - all with minimal detail, it's direct and to the point. The bottom looks like an extremely generic and bad video game. Horribly stale art direction, comically high fantasy to the point of being a parody, and overall fails to convey anything at all without presumably having some kind of knowledge of the lore. From an outsider's perspective, I don't know the capabilities of either side and if it weren't for cliche "angel wings = good guys" and "skulls and red = bad guys" I wouldn't have the slightest clue what was even going on.

>>53816083
What, being reminded better games exist and your game is an anemic and smelly dungpie?
The truth isn't shitposting.

>>53815923

To be fair, whilst it's not conducive it's a clear sign that something isn't right. You don't see people shitting too much on the new Blood Bowl or 8th Edition 40k.

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>>53816086
Jesus Christmas what the fuck.

>>53816127
The Dwarves look kinda shitty honestly. I don't think it's the same sculptor as the barbarians.

The Orcs (they call them Goblins actually) might be good. It remains to be seen.

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>>53816086

They're pretty nice aren't they. Hope they're more like the Frostgrave sprues with bits of everything rather than "historical" ones.

>>53816162
yeah, was ONLY AoS and ONLY cause it replaced WHFB. The 8e change was just another day for 40k threads and the new blood bowl was something that people WANTED

>>53816183
Holy shit they are redoing the LotR range in 28mm or what ?

>>53816132
Thank you for so aptly proving my point. It's like someone actually tore you out of late 2015.
Donald Trump's president now by the by

>>53816162
8th 40k took some flak for taking design cues from the much maligned AoS.

>>53816207
Your point that you're lesser in value than a gnoblar? Sure.

>>53816207
>le current year
In 2025 he'll be remembered as a shit president, much like AoS will be remembered as one of GW's death knells

>>53816218
>>53816222
Wow. I really got 'em crawling out of the woodwork now

>>53816231
Is it really the wood work when they're all over the place and in plain sight?
If anything AoS players are like those simpering beastmen hiding in the woods and then attacking because a square base triggers them.

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>>53807056
I think you are onto something with this. So much of WOW was focused on individual characters and gear that very little of the player feel of WOW fit into any of the classic fantasy archetypes. All the characters looked individually ridiculous and so much of the setting was magic with no context. It is sad that Warhammer has fallen into this same pit.

>>53816186

>the new blood bowl was something that people WANTED

Calm down lad, actually most people already in the community like myself were hesitant, because BB was fine were it was >>53798467

To be fair, they haven't done a bad job on the miniatures and equipment, but they have basically picked up a free, fan-maintained rulebook, and have split it into various £15 DLC-style season books, for idiots to buy.

>>53816186
I dunno man, generally people on /tg/ don't violently shit all over something without good reason. To date the only other thing that comes to mind as being near universally despised from day 1 by /tg/ is D&D 4e, and it was backed by some pretty good reasons. Despite what those reasons are, it doesn't really matter because something somewhere went wrong significantly enough to cause this level of backlash.

>>53816279
>hating 4e
>pretty good reasons
"waaaa my wizard can't invalidate entire encounters" is not a good reason anon

>>53816279
The main gripes (Other than the EXACT SAME MAIN GRIPE FOR 4e) were:
The lack of points (Which was fixed)
The joke rules (Which have been all but removed)
And the fact that they streamlined the game a LOT.
>>53816241
I'm honestly surprised how long you're dragging this out. It's almost like my earlier joke is true and you were just in a coma or something

>>53816313
You're forgetting
>killed a game with a huge fanbase to give us a 40k knockoff, space marines and all
If anyone wanted to play a skirmish game and one where individual models actually matter and not just be blobs of attacks and wounds, well the Hobbit is a GW option.

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I know this may sound like an oxymoron and be hard for a lot of you munchkins to accept but what fantasy needs is a lot more realism. Real world building with believable demographics, social structures, and institutions. And most of all, layered history interwoven throughout the current storyline. This is a big reason for the success of Game of Thrones. It is low fantasy with rich history.

>>53816333
No, I covered that. 'Twas in the parenthesis

>>53816336
The big reason for the success of Game of Thrones was being a soap opera with lotsa rape and blood that got adapted for television.

>>53816343
No you didn't, you claim Age of Sigmar is hated for its shit rules, which it is because fixed values for everything is dumber than a drunk snotling, but it's not Fantasy. You can't say it streamlined the game when it's not the same game.
It's like saying 40k streamlined Pathfinder.

>>53777668
I don't give a shit about the bait but what range is the troll/ogre from?

>>53816406

Board game called Blood Rage.

>>53816384
Uh... I'm beginning to doubt your ability to grasp subtlety so I'll just spell things out from now on.
The main reason people didn't like AoS was, when you boil it down to it's core, that it was different. This is the exact same thing that happened with 4e, except there's no pathfinder to wrest the spotlight away from the new edition since WHFB didn't have an open gaming liscense, most WHFB players just decided to keep going with what they had instead of changing stream to something else, and the other alternatives don't have nearly as much noise about them

>>53816409
AW SHIT. I WAS WONDERING WHY THE FUCKER LOOKED SO FAMILIAR
That game is dope. Core mechanics are similar to chaos in the old world ironically

>>53816427
Yes, different. It replaced the game.
You wouldn't be just a tad upset if GW said next year AoS is being replaced by yet another game?

>>53816441

Boardgame looks fun but I'm a sucker for the monsters, the Vikings are a big 32mm.

Only Troll on sale in the uk is £20 though. Can't be arsed paying that.

>>53816538
I would. And I won't deny that. I'm not saying that they're WRONG for being mad, but they were being mad in the wrong place. Don't fucking go into the places where fans of the new game are and spew vitriol 24/7 just cause you're mad

>>53816427
'It's different' is one reason AoS is disliked.
Another reason is that it is so transparently corporate and soulless.

The first army was literal fantasy Space Marines with similar armour, similar faux-latin names, similar military structure, similar chapter/stormhost naming conventions and similar units ('jetpack' infantry, skull-faced priests, lightning-hammer wielding heavy armoured infantry etc.)

And then they renamed all the existing creatures with terrible trademarkable names like 'troggoths', 'orruks', 'ogors' and 'gargants'.
Not to mention fucking 'bloodsecrators'.

The juxtaposition with old Warhammer Fantasy certainly didn't help, but this stuff would be bad even in a vacuum.

>>53816540
It is quite fun. The box does kinda lie though. While it CAN be played with 2 players, it's kinda shitty with only 2 since core rules have the cards you play be drafted. If you DO have to play 2 player, then have the initial hand of cards you get be the one you play with, no drafting, which is a rule variant in the book.

>>53816597
I never said it was the only reason, I said it was the main reason.

>>53816576
You're supporting something I disdain, that is enough for me to make you smell your own farts.

>>53816681
And for a moment I thought this had turned civil

>>53816693
Civility is too hard a concept to grasl with the simple mind that is required to play AoS.

>>53777668
That troll kicks fucking ass!

>>53816715
Oh the irony...

>>53816794
Yeah, it's ironic that playing AoS is about as enjoyable as being made to smell your own farts.

>>53816813
False equivalent, you can cover up farts with enough spray deodorant.
Nothing such for age of sigmar.

>>53816183
Well there is less adventurer stuff because they are for a battle game not a treasure hunting one. But the Frostgrave arms work on them.

>>53816813
>>53816859
Ugh... I sincerly apologize for accidentally luring these people to the thread...
>inb4 a poorly thought out insult at me liking Aos

>>53816207
>>>Reddit shill

>>53817171
... What? I'm legitimately confused here. How did anything I said even remotely relate to reddit?

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>>53816255
AoShit actually improves by turning it into Warcraft.

>>53817189
Your posting style is very resemblant of the guys on Reddit.
Or you're a GW employee/fanboy trying to salvage this abomination of a game.