What weapons have the most utility and usefulness? Be it medieval

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>>53765346
The stick
>Need to stab something
Pointy stick
>Need to bash something
Blunt stick
>Need to travel long distances
Walking stick
>Need to jump long distances
Pogo stick
>Need to defend yourself
Parrying stick
>Need to hit something a long distance away
Tie a string to a large, bendy stick and use it to shoot a short, pointy stick
>Need to eat warm food
[Food] on a stick
>Forgot cutlery
Chopsticks
>Need to barricade a door with something
Why not a stick?
>Need to point something out
Why not a stick?
>Need something to draw in the sand with
Why not a stick?
>Need something to force open a chest with
Why not a stick?
>Inb4 "b-but what if someone breaks it?!"
Now you have two sticks. Dualwield sticks! Attack one guy twice! Attack two guys at once!

A zweihander is built in all aspects to hurt your opponent. From the blade to slice, to the crossguard to spike, to the pommel to bash

>>53766992
i wanna stick that elf

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>>53765346
It's like a cross between a crowbar and a warhammer.

>>53765346
Axes. Work as decent weapons against chainmail, can be used to chop wood, hammer down nails, use the edge in some ways you would use a knife, to name a few uses.
In case anyone cries out that battleaxes are not woodcutting axes and vice versa, there are many samples of axes that can do both, although they tend not to be as effective in the field as their specialized counterparts, but they were more versatile. And generally not very big, so no walking stick axes - carry one on your belt.

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>>53765346
Wrench, you degenerate

>>53767431
>only 2 uses
>bashing
>twisting things
>Ooh boy! There sure are alot of nuts I need to bust!

Get that gay shit outta here.

>>53766992
But what's the stick made our of? Certain woods and metals makes the difference in this stance.

The Knoife

They still issue them today to every soldier everywhere in the world, even when nobody is really expected to actually use one as a weapon.

>>53767966
What kind of knoife is it? Is it a knife or a dagger? Do they mainly use them for throwing practice or opening boxes?

>>53766992
A crowbar is just a specialized metal stick

>>53768039
A proper military knoif should be large and sturdy enough to pry at shit and dig with. It should be of fixed blade design, with a single edged blade that comes to a point.

Mostly it will open boxes and cut straps and shit.

It should probably be designed to affix to a rifle as a bayonet in case you need your gun to be a spear.

>>53766992

I'm having a hard time disagreeing with this logic. Let's say we make it a magic stick that can become any number of sticks of any size and weight for maximum utility

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Shovel.
Proof of superiority: shovel knight
Dig, saw, chop, hit things, open bottles and cans.

>>53768109
ur just a specialized metal stick lmao

>>53768115
You want some kind of utility faggot?

>>53768128
Is a shovel just a fat stick?

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A hatchet?

>blunt end can be used as a crude hammer, may even actually have a hammer end
>sharp end can be used for chopping things, scraping things (sharpening sticks, scraping skins clean, etc), also makes for a horrible entrenching tool (but better than a crowbar or random stick, since the blade is wide enough to be used like a trowel)
>could be thrown, especially if weighted correctly
>easy to carry, easy to find just about everywhere, blade can be salvaged if haft breaks - if blade breaks, could get a replacement blade or use a hammer head instead
>can start every combat with wanting to axe them a question

>>53768159

All weather/All terrain faggot.

>>53768128

Slavaboo here has a point. Nonfolding sharpened ww2-era russian infantry shovel is pretty much the apotheosis of utility melee weapons.

For combat & utility you gotta go with the entrenching tool

>>53766992
fpbp

>>53766992
stick win everytime

>>53770142
A shovel?

>>53765346
My dick

>>53773788
Calm down, Plastic Man.

>>53766992
Stick with a knife on the end. Now you can cut, stab, AND slash.

The spear is simply the greatest weapon ever devised. Checkmate swordaboos.

>>53767255
Now that is fantastic. Things are FUBAR'd? Get a FuBar!

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This might work, it's a sword breaker, a dagger-shortsword intended to catch and potentially snap the blade of your opponent, wielded in your offhand. Not exactly sure how practical it is against real sharpened swords and such though.

>>53773935
the really good sword breakers were cruciform in shape, with a thick spine and 4 tapered edges, heavy as fuck and just over 3 feet long. that one was designed to match rapiers and the like and would often snap due to the notching along the spine of the blade.

>>53773975
I've never seen or heard of sword breakers that are over 3 feet long, even in most researches they show up as slightly longer daggers, do you mind providing me with a picture? Btw I am aware that they're cruciform, the image I provided is just some fancy game equipment that suits my own taste.

>>53768128
You forgot the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o

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>>53774145
https://www.knifecenter.com/item/CS88CSB/cold-steel-88csb-chinese-sword-breaker-carbon-steel-blade-rosewood-handle
here you go bud. I have one myself and i have used it to fuck up several blades for good measure.
30 inch blade, 38 overall.

>>53774145
also, your pic reference is a parrying dagger variant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrying_dagger#Swordbreaker

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>>53774419
also, cant verify the quality of this one cause i cant afford it, but it looks good. to bad its shillgal.
http://www.coldsteel.com/steven-seagal-sword-breaker.html

>>53774474
I thought you were referring to the European sword breakers lol. Chinese sb are absolutely terrifying, they're essence dense sticks you use to beat other people to death.

>>53774376
>Music
This appeals to my American sensibilities.

>>53767255
Hi Luke

why the fuck are people posting swords here

>>53775296
Just shittier sticks

>>53768114
>It should probably be designed to affix to a rifle as a bayonet in case you need your gun to be a spear.
Agreed. this is very important.

>>53765346
Shotgun

>>53767106
Yes, but the question was about utility, aka other things it can do aside killing people.

Mind or your hands

>>53767255
Warbar? crowmer?

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>>53765346
>Be it medieval or modern, post them compared to the crowbar.

A crowbar's a crowbar, it only becomes a weapon if you're a superscientist in powered armour.

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>>53778386
Warbar sounds sexy as hell.

If you can extend the shaft, I'll call it a kung-fu bar.

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>>53765346
Almost anything can be a weapon if it's some combination sharp, solid, or heavy.

The problem is that capacity of inflicting injury is not the only criteria to judge a weapon by.

A person with a crow bar is going to be shit out of luck against someone with something that's a dedicated weapon.

Even something retarded like a sword, or something less retarded like a long-handled tomahawk, or something actually sensible, like a spear/walking adds enough value to justify it's weight.

It's hard to be smug about bag space and weight saving when you're dead.

Besides, they put prying bars on anything these days.

>>53780765
Meant to write
>Spear/walking stick*

>>53780777
Trips confirm for walking stick GOAT

>>53781553
What am I looking at?

>>53781571
>What am I looking at?
Well, when a Mommy Mallet and a Daddy Crowbar love each other very much, and also love threeways with screwdrivers, a miracle can sometimes happen...

>>53782189
Mr. Screwdriver?

>>53774376
Leave it to the commie gooks to overbuild the only thing they can actually make.

The imagination

>>53781571
>>53782189

Actually, its just a lever. For pulling things apart. that is.

You wedge the point into a gap, and then place the knob on the ground. Then you push down on the handle.

>>53782660
Mister screws the maid, the driver, the putter, and any-damn-body he pleases to.

>>53778444
the "Rescue" line of the FUBAR (made for firefighters and such) is significantly longer and can count as a proper warhammer.

>>53781571
>>53782743
>Actually, its just a lever. For pulling things apart. that is.
Got it.
It's a hubcap removal tool. Rubber mallet won't scuff your tire.

>>53774376
>6:30
I might actually have to get one of these for camping now.

>>53766992
Stick is love, Stick is life.

>>53783504
When I was a little boy we used to play stickball.

>>53767129
marcille is absolutely for lew

>>53774474
>cold steel
>steven seagull

>>53783682
fat heh

>>53773788
Far too short to ever be useful, even in its intended role.

>>53767255
I wanna play a warrior using a Fubar now, a sort of themed milita man.
1 handed version
1d8/1d8, x3, P or B, disarm, can replace the crowbar

2 handed version
1d10/1d10, x3, P or B, disarm, reach, can replace the crowbar

>>53766992
>"I, with my pointy stick, shall mildly annoy you!"

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>>53766992
This guy gets it.

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>>53767255
>>53765346
Halligan bar is better pic related
>>53768128
also good

>>53786849
Not as sexy as the Fubar desu

>>53786156
This nigga has clearly never been jabbed with a properly sharpened and fired piece of hardwood.
Mildly annoy? Try right through your ribcage and out of your back. Even through your 8-24 inches of fat.

>>53767255
As a professional demolishionist: I can say firsthand that thing would fuck some shit up and very fast.
10/10, would swing 'n' pry.

>>53767431
Faggoty option.
*ding*
NEXT.

>>53768114
Usually the point is tapered or in the case of some militaries, they have a clipped-style point--similar to a buck knoife.
This can be helpful for gutting the enemy :D and more realistically cutting through clothing to get to injuries quickly to do field dressings.

>>53768311
Hatchets are pretty sweet. Patrician taste.

>>53768311
What is a hatchet, really, except two oddly shaped sticks stuck together?

>>53790288
>What is a hatchet, but a miserable pile of sticks stuck together.

>>53786731
My favorite Pokemon.

>>53767642
>using a pipe wrench on a nut

Jesus, it's like you want to strip your nuts completely and make them almost impossible to get off.

>>53765346
A crowbar is not a good weapon, life is not video games.

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>>53797752
Anything could be a good weapon, especially if it's sturdy and effective at causing damage to a person or thing. I've never played Half-Life but Gordon Freeman has the right idea.

Though I did read The Boys and got a hard on for crowbars there.

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Crossbows. Only issue is the long reloading times.

>>53798664
>utility
>just shoots things

>>53765346
Fireaxe

>>53766992
Which reminds me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7mNr5WMjA

>>53766992
ive been redpill'd on sticks, from now on all of my characters will have one, thanks anon.

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>>53766992
What about a stick that can shoot?

>>53799337
Shooting game animals to provide food counts as utility.

>>53804676
The nugget is an awful lot of bang for your buck, but it's not exactly versatile. Heavy, long, and not very accurate without putting a lot of work into it.

>>53804841
that is one utilization, crossbows can't do anything other than shoot bolts, and maybe serve as a shitty delicate club in close quarters

>>53768204
more like a sharp oar

>>53785921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWcHBx0ux0g

What has the most utility? A tool or a workshop that makes all tools?
The human body and mind are the only tools a real man needs.

>>53805996
Monk calm down.

I believe in you.

>>53766992
There's no way one stick can do all of this at once.

>>53782715
When it's military you want your tool to do as many things as possible.
I kind of want one.

>>53774376
>Not the kraut Sarge taking names in the trench All Quiet on the Western Front

Bruh...

>>53768204
>>53805481
You both got it wrong.
It's a 180 degrees-bladed axe.

>>53809688
Shovels are concaved/dented axes that are on their hilt the wrong way.

>>53804973
There's shooting ziplines too, they're in use with a couple of special forces for that.

Still, that's like 2-3 things

>>53813563
You could use them to launch miniature drones if you're good with machines.

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https://youtu.be/ZRx2QJU1fL8?t=40

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I really love the idea of a boathook/polearm combination.

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>>53813922
Got you covered senpai

>>53765346
A crowbar is no weapon that can be used as a tool.
It is a tool that can be used as a weapon.

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>>53767255
I have one. Has a decent balance to it. Still heavier than anything I would bring to a fight against humans. I also have pic related. It's held up to a lot of abuse, and is something I'm reasonably proficient with. I am a fan of sawback swords though.

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>>53773788

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My fists, or in drastic occasions, your fists in my hands.
That or anime.

>>53768115
>any number of sticks
>infinite mass
Literally the most powerful magical weapon in existence.

>>53796033
There's a good chance I'll get off if you strip your nuts

>>53797752
What's our reference for comparison?
It's a shitty weapon compared to a lot of dedicated weapons, but it is a solid elongated piece of metal, heavy and relatively sharp at the ends, with a comfortable weight distribution.

If I was defending my house from an intruder, I'd probably grab a crowbar sooner than a kitchen knife.

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>>53765346
tactical tomahawks are breddy gud

>>53780765
bonus points if you give the tomahawk a braided paracord wrist-strap.

>>53778394
>superscientist
Try errand boy instead

HANDS YOU FOOLS!

>>53765346
Shovel, always and forever.

>>53765346
Magic.

>>53767255
broke one of these, they are shit

>>53804676
Good luck telling this at sight from a javelin.

>>53786849
Not for hitting people. The round handle and unbalanced end will make it harder to hit squarely with.

>>53815585
You take that back.

How and why did it break?

Bumping for stick.

>>53768311
Hatchet from a utility point of view definitely. Not great as a weapon by itself I'd imagine against proper weapons, but as a tool which can also be used for chopping fools, exactly what's needed.

>>53823430
The only utility it has is chopping things, chopping people, and throwing it to chop people from far away.

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A pry spike. Leverage shit when you don't just beat it to death, or impale it.

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Old fashion Sax blade anyone?

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Wrap up your enemy after flogging them(or flailing, we don't judge) and take them with you, lock down a door, tie up your horse, tie up a pet, hold a weapon safely in your hand so it doesn't fly out, hit someone with it, use it as a climbing tool.

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A lovely Kukri for heavy foresting and survival needs.

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Cant get much more utilitarian than a trench knife.

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The gutentag, say hi while clearing out weeds and shrubs by beating and tearing them, say hi again when putting sharp heavy bits into someone's head.

>>53826510
Would hunt vampires with.

>>53826552
Just a sord to me.

>>53826602
Was wondering with ropes and chains would pop up.

>>53826641
You call dat a knoife.

>>53826676
Just an angry knoife.

>>53826799
Im glad its part stick, but that's an awful lot of spikes.

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>>53826832
What about a shaolin spade?

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Utility an emergency ax.

A fuck ton of rope and something like a cement brick. loop rope through holes in brick, can swing over head. can wrap around fist and punch. can crack open coconut. much use.

ropes?

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Punch the shit out someone and pick up dangerous things.

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>>53827329
And the last thing I got that isn't an outright weapon. The spiked edition.

>>53815705
Anyone with a smattering of elemental strategy can make that distinction.

>>53765346
>>53766992

>>53829514

>>53768128
The Romans won using mostly three things:
Guile
Gladius
and Shovels. Fucking shovels.

>>53780765

A crowbar is actually good for that, because the hook lets you deflect and the mass is sufficient for whacking someone to death with. Git gud faggit.

>>53826966
Is that a totenkopf on it?

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>it has flammen
>it werfs it
>you can do everything with a werfed flammen

>>53773875
A sword is just a spear with a long pointy bit and a short holdy bit.

>>53826799
>clearing out weeds and shrubs by beating and tearing them
Medieval dudes were all fucking bear mode weren't they.

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>>53765346
Autism

A nice sturdy cast-iron pan. Can be used to prepare food, hammer in nails/people and heat up sand/water/oil for defense under siege.

would a drone count?
the utility and tactical possibilites are probably infinite
actually, you know what? the tool that doubles best as a weapon are probably human beings

Element of surprise is the best weapon.

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Your body

>>53831606
>rolls 1, dies from stroke.

>>53831721
I thought it was an allergic reaction exacerbated by still recovering from some kinda brain episode.

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>>53815705
>>53829251

>>53765346
That's a prybar. A crowbar is a long straight metal shaft that tapers to a wedge on one end. They're used for breaking up the ground when digging.
Get your terminology right.

>>53832167
Maybe in your jargon but in common English a crowbar and a prybar are the same thing.

>>53832167
It's a crowbar. It also has a prybar on the other end.

>>53829535
Good work

>>53828174
Is this possible to make IRL?

>>53765346
Knives. Sizeable knife is much more useful in majority of situations and can even be used as improvised crowbar in some situations if strong enough (though obviously, won't do that well and it'll risk damage).

Knives are generally the most practical, basic and non-specialized tool used in every sphere fof life at certain points in history - from preparation of food, though handling materials for creation of clothes, other tools, whatever to actual self-defense.

>>53833612
With an electromagnet I think it would be.

Power source might be an issue though.

>>53773875
Patrician taste, my spear loving friend.