How could a science fiction society look like if it could not

>>53743175
>Dune

>>53743175
biopunk

>>53743175
could not because aren't allowed to or aren't capable of?

>>53743175
>WH40k

>>53743210
Ancient alien AI who hack and subvert it against you.

>>53743175
What's your definition of robots and AI here? Because modern society uses a fair share of both already.

>Be a space traveler
>Crash land on a planet of some kind
>Saved from my ship by robots
>Wait, what?!
>I know for a fact that artificial intelligence is impossible.
>And yet, robots?
>Oh, I get it, they are remote controlled drones.
>And I panicked for a second there.
>Drones take me to the city, so they can give me medical attention and introduce an alien to the goverment
>Make small talk with their pilots, as they take me to the hospital.
>My legs might be broken, but at least my universal translator is still functioning.
>After a surgery, a few nurses and doctors can't resist staying in my room and asking me thing - after all, they just met a honest-to-god guest from the stars
>Mention my rescue by the drones. Really want to meet their pilots in person - they seemed like nice guys.
>Doctors give me a puzzled look.

>>53743241
>Well, pilots. Guys who controlled the things that rescued me.
>One of the doctors changes colors, as he struggles to understand the words coming out of my translator.
>Finally, he admits that he doesn't know what I'm talking about. I've already met them.
>Laugh.
>My laughter becomes nervous halfway through.
>Is this a prank? Am I suddenly in a science fiction holovid?
>AI is impossible. Sentient beings are born, not made. You can't just create a life.
>Must have misunderstood him.
>As he explains it to me, my skin quickly goes pale.
>Yes, you can't create life. But you can recycle it.
>Even the most horrible criminals aren't beyond rehabilitation here.
>You just need a metal shell, a quick mind wipe and a surgery - and even the most uncontrollable savages become productive servants of society.
>All the diseases of the flesh can be cured so easily! The great people can be given the gift of immortality.
>Suddenly, I see something in his eyes.
>The madman feels pride for this insanity. And...
>Envy.
>My voice quakes as I ask for the mirror.
>But no matter how terrified I am, I can not feel the cold sweat running on my skin.

>>53743224
Then just use wires..

>>53743175
>>53743180
Well a lot more effort dropped in high energy physics, genetics and different mental development programs. Speed reading, ability to multiply three-degree numbers in mind and memory techniques being normal for people in developed societies.

Even without any digital devices you can substitute analogue variants for many of them. Though neural interface to control drones would be really desirable in the long run.

FTL capable spaceships will need navigator squads making calculations with logarithmic rulers. For main characters you can have some genius capable of doing that work alone.

>>53743175

I guess they would go mental over some desert planet and shit.

>>53743241
>>53743421
Breddy gud meng

>>53743241
>>53743421
>I have no audio output and I must scream

>>53743454
No robots/AI doesn't necessarily mean no computers. We've had computers capable of making complex calculations since 1950s, yet still don't have true AI.

>>53743224
the answer then becomes dependant on the circumstances in which the ancient ayy entered in contact with this science fiction society and the original look of this last one.

>>53743175
Lame.

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>>53743175

>>53744698
In such a case what is the difference with our world?

Even without AI you can easily automate most processes as long as you have good computers.

>>53745229
Notice that OP said "science fiction".
I am pretty sure our world isn't science fiction.

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>>53743175
>How could a science fiction society look like if it could not use robots and ai at all?

>>53745248
There is a shitton of science fiction works without prevalent AIs and robots.

>>53743211
>Machine spirits
>Tau

>>53743454

Makes me wonder what effect would be had today if we had half of the mental abilities demostrated in the Dune books. I remember in the Butlerian Jihad books one of the scientist guys had literal rows of Buddhistlamic kids run different math calculations in a row passing off their answers to each other when done.

>>53745311

Sauce?

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>>53743241
>>53743421
And I've just made a screencap of this storytime. Enjoy it!

>>53744698
But that begs the question of how do you not eventually develop robots and AI?

All an AI is, is a program that is able to make decisions autonomously, without human input. As soon as you can do IF -> THEN, you have all you need to build AI. And a robot is just an AI with a physical body, that allows it to interact with its environment and act on direct sensory input.

As soon as this hypothetical sci-fi society starts working to improve its computers (and why wouldn't they - even basic computers can be very useful), then they are inevitably going to build AI. Because all a computer is, ultimately, is a tool for doing your thinking for you. Making your thinking-machines smarter is just the next logical step.

>>53743180
Oh thank the emperor, I came to this thread ready to ree about people not bringing Dune up.
This is really the only answer. No AI means you either need low fantasy to explore the galaxy or you need tens of thousands of years. Dune embraces the low fantasy side and actually runs through the ramifications of the social and political effects of the spice.

>>53749168
>No AI means you either need low fantasy to explore the galaxy

I have no idea what you mean.

>>53749349
He means you need space-magic.

>>53743196
I feel like this doesn't get explored much.

growing them as plants or raising them as animals, Biopunk as the future could be really interesting. just have to engineer them enough so they don't self evolve and start eating their creators.

>>53743435

You can hack a computer that has no external access and uses only wires using Van Eck Freaking. Essentially, you spoof electrical signals in the wires to fake input. Its complicated to make these spoof signals translate into actual input, but not impossible for us. An advanced AI would obviously have it easier.

The neat thing is you can essentially steal signal from a closed wire through a wall, and use it to ghost someones feed from their monitor to yours, so you see what they see. Doing the reverse then allows you to input commands to their computer as if they were the ones pressing the keys.

In theory, with more advanced technology you could do this from a longer distance, and basically allow you to hack into any electronic system without any kind of direct access.

>>53751860

Using cable toners, its already hard enough to hear a noise that you are purposely putting into the cable for the purposes of cable identification. And I'm talking with just regular old unshielded CAT5e. Once you start using shielded CAT5 or CAT6 or, god forbid, CAT7, the idea of using EMI to listen in or introduce a signal into wiring sounds like a pipe dream. This is also assuming as well that the cabling and electronics is then not also surrounded by any form of faraday cage.

>>53743175
Like Stalin get marry to Poison Ivy.

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>>53743175
Pure biotech
If you can't make A.I. you just make a guy with a giant brain
If you need robots you manufacture bio-soldiers

>>53749377
Spice-magic.

>>53748027
Well, speed reading, three-digit multiplication and memory techniques are all the skills you can teach yourself. They exist nowadays. Though they degrade pretty fast if you don't use them on a daily basis.

>>53749377
Ehh, depending on how your FTL works you can do it without spice. Alcubierre-like warp drives should be pretty ok even when calculations are done on logarithmic rulers because you can hit your target making multiple "jumps". As if you are playing golf.

Though it will have pretty large influence on how your setting looks. Because you won't be able to make really long jumps skipping multiple star systems. instead you'll jump to one of the closest stars in the direction you want to go, then next one and so on. It would somewhat resemble hyperlanes.

>>53750231
How are you going to do genetic engineering without computers?

>>53759730
Who said anything about not having computers?

>>53743175
Dune is the extreme case.
40k is the case where there is a ban on robots but they found a few dozens of loppholes arund this ban.

>>53747736
Machine spirits are cortex plates, which is>>53743196

>>53748633
>Sauce?
Did you try using GIS first