ITT: biggest red flags >group talks about how they hate paladins

>>53736568
>The phrase "Temple of Goatse" is used in a serious fashion.

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>group has a discord server where they talk about the game nonstop for 12 hours each day

>>53736568
>Morbidly obese woman with half-shaved pink hair DMing.

>>53736568
What if i hate paladins because mechanically they are fucking garbage?

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>the one player who always plays either a little girl or a kitsune

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>group demands that each character have a theme song with lyrics
I don't know anything about music! I don't listen to music in my own time!
Why can't we just use instrumental music that fits the situation we're in?

>>53736776
Has this ever actually happened to you or are you just making shit up? Because that's 4 red flags at once.

>Any group member holds an opinion of Steven Universe besides "what's that?" or BURNING HATRED.

>>53736745
Hey, at least they're invested

>>53736568
Oh hey, there's a counter monkey for that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNSx7ilS4k&t=1192s

>>53736568
>I want to roll a martial artist and be as good as the wizard

>someone goes on tirade mid session about how they hate the system

>>53736903
Hasn't actually happened to me, but I figured it's something no good can come of.

>>53736882
>Not going full monkey pawn
Pic anime, that will teach them

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>>53736568
>all the other players play obscure non-human characters

>>53736568
I love kind-hearted, compassionate, social-order concerned characters. It is for this reason that I hate paladins. Also D&D alignments are shit.

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>party member won't do their part

Please just try to be helpful instead of either freeloading or actively working against the rest of us.

>player thinks that just because the odds are dire and he gave an inspiring speech he's going to succeed and not die like a faggot

>>53736939
We talking about "The System, man", or the ruleset being used?

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>>53737015
I'm trying, I really do.

>>53737015
>annoyed_rei
>is actually Asuka

God fucking damnit this pisses me off so much and I can't pinpoint the why it goes beyond merely being bothered.

>>53737015
> "We just entered the town? I try to pickpocket!"

>>53737084
Because you have autism?

>>53737099
That might be it, given I actually have autism.

>>53737089
>pickpocketing isn't a valid profession in his setting

>>53736984
I hate this. I miss the times when non-human races were heavly associated with a class and everything beyond those archetypes was human.

>>53737015
/tg/, how do I get perfect skin?

>>53737124
But we're in the middle of a job right now and we need to keep a low profile!
Just because there are people around doesn't mean you have to pickpocket.

>DM says "Now remember guys, no politics!"

>>53736568
>Theres blood coming from the other room

>>53736/918
Are they or are they just really lonely?

>>53737224
Could be both

>>53737189
Well high-profile pickpocketing is silly in it's own right.

>>53737218
>DM allows politics at the table

>>53737275
>the party includes a skinhead and a non-binary with blue hair

>>53737305
>Hate each other at first but end up being the best of friends over the course of the journey

>>53737257
I guess. Though maybe you could become some sort of prestidigitator or stage magician instead.

>>53737340
>Things that never happen: The post.

>>53737359
You're right.
They wouldn't be just friends by the end of it all.

>>53736906
Chill, /co/

>>53737375
Yeah, nonbinaries always have to come up with some retarded term like "queerplatonic" for friendship.

>>53737375
>t. shipper

>I only enjoy human-only settings

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>>53737385
>>53737390
What's the matter anon?
Does the thought that you might fall in love with someone with different political views one day intimidate you?

>>53737359
no shit

>>53737426
>falling in love with someone with a mental illness
"No."

>>53737420
>DM forces a non-human setting
>that guy decides that the only way forward is answer the furry question

>theater of the mind for players, while the DM uses a map
>Goblins are attacking you
>Ok, I run towards the goblins and attack him
>Dm counting... 3, 4... No, you dont reach It. The goblin attacks you against
>Wait, I didnt use my Action, can I...
>No, your turno ended

This DM made me hate theater of the mind so hard. He was horrible at it

>>53737420
I used to do this and hate classes, then I grew some taste.
>>53737459
>>53737459
>>theater of the mind for players, while the DM uses a mão
>>Goblins are attacking you
>>Ok, I run towards the goblins and attack him
>>Dm counting... 3, 4... No, you dont reach It. The goblin attacks you against
>>Wait, I didnt use my Action, can I...
>>No, your turno ended
>This DM made me hate theater of the mind so hard. He was horrible at it

>>53737188
Hot shower/bath, good scrub (no soap) and then after drying yourself off cold water to the face and leave to dry naturally.

>>53737220
>DM says that there Will be food
>Its a pig he ran over
>Not even cooked, he just put an Apple in his mouth
His Sense of humor eventualy took some dark and cringe turns

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>>53737542

>>53737072
The rule set.

I have seen people make it three systems in then try all they can to show how a system is shit.

>>53737426
Healthy people can see a crush as just a crush and not dedicate their lives to that crush.

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>the monster/bandit attacks you!
>I'm going to hang back from the group and spend every turn trying to convince it not to attack us
>what? I have +11 to diplomacy. I am not a fighter

>>53736906
Here's your (you)

>>53737039
This is only a bad thing bad if the game has realism.

One kind of good GM is the kind that crafts a good story through guaranteeing the success of his players, but making them feel like it was all them. That's how you keep yourself out of shitty DM threads.

A campaign where the PCs always come out on top is boring. A campaign where the PCs die because people die is better. A campaign where the PCs become heroes and legends by overcoming impossible odds is a campaign that gets recorded in the history greentexts.

Not that high-mortality campaigns can't be just as good, they just eliminate the potential to craft legendary characters and parties unless you have a genius like Wasteland Warrior playing.

>The player insists on separating each second sentence with a line break.

>>53736906
>group member lapses into a tirade about about a cartoon show no one else cares about

>>53738098
That would only happen if it's brought up in a positive light, anon.

>>53736568
>"Anon, before you play with us you need to know that this is a really dark game. Things like genocide and rape might happen ok?"

>>53736776
Hey my DM is a morbidly obese girl and she's one of the most fun(ny) people I know. Though she gets kinda tongue-tied DMing in person (and our mothertongue, instead of English, interestingly enough).

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>>53737015
>Please just try to be helpful instead of either freeloading or actively working against the rest of us.

I did have one problem child in the group I was GMing for. She had a tendency to give her characters PTSD at a moment's notice and descend into hysterics or violence. I can't necessarily say that it was completely inappropriate, but I mean, while I encourage role playing, having your character fall the fuck apart kinda inhibits the fantasy adventure thing we're all doing.

On various occasions in the year long campaign, she
>attempted to knife a kindly general store owner cuz the lady was spooky and knew things that she didn't have a reason to know, in order to "see if she bled red"
>as a member of the town guard, pulled her weapon on a townsperson who she felt was making personally dangerous decisions
>had her character cry constantly for 2 sessions when her spooky hag mom(character was a changeling) was hinted at being around, and suspicion was falling on her, almost skipping a boss fight
>skipped a boss fight on principle that she felt it was immoral, fair enough, it involved doing battle with a forest god, though a particularly vicious and malicious one

She wasn't a bad player overall, enough that I'd ask her to leave, she just periodically really complicated situations. I think role play was more important than the game for her, I guess.

>>53737188
Genetics, dilligent washing (not too much though!) of face+hair with nonaggressive shit, scrubs, regular bedding change and a clean soft towel on your pillow erry night, healthy food.

But mostly genetics.

>>53736984
God damn I can't believe that show is over for real this time :'(

>>53737469
This is why I always limit new players (and typically campaigns they're in) to PH only. They only need to read one book and I don't have to worry about finding some fucking retarded splat book that breaks the game for the other characters who are just dual classing from the revised PH.

One of my players decided she was going to exclusively play a swashbuckler/swordmage dual class, and she named every single fucking character Vivian. She had extra stance "spells" that didn't use her SPD but were too complicated in their execution for the basic mana system we had devised, so we had to simplify the system from the splat book she used. The splat book that she refused to email me a PDF of and I couldn't find on my own between classes and managing five other PCs (nobody knew how to spend their XP and skill points and couldn't be trusted to bring their sheets every time anyways) and about 35 recurring NPCs. She played the same fucking character from first level in three separate campaigns until our groupchat had a holocaust of shitty memes and furry porn, which drove us all apart, much to my relief.

All her characters boiled down to "swordswoman that barely speaks but when she does it's nothing but smarm and toothy bullshit."

>>53738197
>roleplaying her character was more important to her than me forcing a story I should have made into a book down her throat

Gee-whiz. At least you're self-critical enough you knew it would have been imprudent to kick her.

>>53736906
You realize that now tumblrites now hate SU and will rant about how SU has betrayed them and been going to shit ever since the Breaking Point and how every episode afterwards refuses to pander to them anymore?

>>53738242
>3.PF
>core only
No, stop, what are you doing

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>>53736937

>>53737218
>Proceeds to present you with "kooky" characters such as an orange man who smells vaguely of cheese flavored bread bites who can't read
>Have to help the dethroned queen get people to Digimon go to the palace to dethrone the orange usurper
>All party members forced into interracial same sex relationships

>>53738563
Was he called Don Tridos?

>>53738335
New player can't handle the level of information in the entire set and I can barely even get them to read core. I pull monsters and scenarios from other books myself, but as a relatively inexperienced GM and with entirely new players, most of which have never even roleplayed before, I can't be expected to teach someone the mechanics of the game while they run some crazy fucking gestalt made using a fucking ninja and a cancer mage.

I can barely get these faggots to read the core, let alone make their own characters. I'll be assed if I put up with having to deal with a chatic neutral 3/2 Chucklefuck/Serial Rapist.

And don't even get me started on allowing other races.
>Gnoll?
pseudopenis/furry shit
>Kobold?
Loli dragon shit/doesn't understand kobolds
>Orcs/trollkin
"Lol, I roll for rape."

I keep it limited to core classes, core races, and core spells. There's plenty material there for a satisfying, first-level mini-campaign of four to eight sessions to get them used to TTRPGs before we move on to Shadowrun, GURPS, or playtesting unfinished but sensible systems in one-offs.

Because that's what I like to do in my /tg/. I like to play different games and different stuff, but mainly to keep it fun. And splat is not fun for anyone.

>>53738599
Nigger, 3.PF NEEDS splats to actually function with any semblance of balance.

>>53738563
>The kooky character's crimes include eating all the ice cream that was to be given to the people and constructing a wall to keep out the poor innocent refugees of the real BBEG

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>DM is Brazilian

Just kidding. He was great. Roxx, if you're listening I miss you already.

>>53736568
>Party members won't allow Jokaero characters in Rogue Trader

>>53736745
I would absolutely prefer this to a Discord where everyone is sitting quietly and not participating at all.

>>53737107

Neat. The guy's filename was a joke by the way.

>>53738619
We only play it for long enough to get a grasp of the rules. Balance isn't usually an issue because we move on to another system at around party level 5-8.

My next starter campaign will be using 5e though, because I agree with most when they say fuck 3.5e. There's an metric fuckton of books with obscure mechanics that fuck with the party vibe and it really does lose balance once you get deeper into it.

When I let newbies play splat, there's always going to be a few who either don't care enough to leave core or are fine with playing core, and they get super outclassed by fuckheads like Vivian, who have four stances and five level one spells at second level.

Like I said, core is fine for a mini-campaign so the players can get a handle for /tg/ shit.

>>53736906
Adding Undertale to this. It's a red flag in general ,not just gaming.

>>53737542

I'd have appreciated the joke if he provided actual food after the gag.

>my character doesn't need to sleep, is proficient in perception and has darkvision, so I offer to take all three night watch shifts
>DM: alright, roll perception
>16 + 6
>DM: nothing happens for your first shift, roll for second
>18 + 6
>DM: okay, roll your last one
>5
>DM: *smirks* you fail to notice numerous assassins who had been lying in wait. they all shoot you with heavy crossbows and all hit (hadn't rolled stealth or attacks), roll initiative Literally what was the fucking point

>>53738253
I mean, it's all well and good to role play. But the other 4 players were doing their thing, trying to go on fantasy adventures, and every so often she just wouldn't go on the adventure or do something severely counterproductive for the party. It danced on the edge of "I want attention", at times, and at the end of the day, DnD is a team game where the party should be roughly working together, for all their disagreements. It was problem because it was disruptive and some of the choices were very awkward to deal with.

I resent being accused of making a book, I left player choice at the heart of every main adventure; the approach was generally up to them, and there were generally at least 2 outcomes they might opt for...there were probably 6 endings they might have obtained. But at the end of the day, I did make an adventure that the PCs had excellent reasons to go on, and opting out or cocking things up isn't really great for the group as a whole.

>>53736568
>Describes his character as "aryan"

>>53738905
I'll admit that I've been guilty of this to an extent. As the players walked through the woods, with hints mounting that something was stalking them, eventually it struck during the watch of the least observant character(lowest perception score). My justification was that the skinwalker was scoping them out, and eventually had a good handle on the easiest mark.

>>53738919
Well then it seems you are TOO lenient. You didn't present it as this bad in the first post. Conflict of interest apparently, maybe should have kicked her/told her to shape up after. She does sound like a good roleplayer though, just not one you needed for your game.
Sorry for the accussations, just seems to be a ton of DMs like that around if you judge by posts here.

>>53738977
The thing is the previous characters would have been able to detect the skinwalker, unless the stealth roll each time surpassed the perception check (in which case it wouldn't have mattered when he struck)

>>53739161
They wouldn't be able to detect it if pulled back for the more observant people, and only got within striking range for the ms zero modifiers.

Though you are right, one player did spot the tail briefly, hence the watch being kept and the cautious approach.

>>53738333
What? Why?

>>53738413
Preach

>>53736906
>Steven Universe
>rick and morty

I do not watch cartoons. Therefore, I will not say whether these two in particular are good or bad. But for some reason, their fanbase is just awful.
If someone likes these shows that's a genuine yellow flag. Not enough to kick them out, but enough to make me wary.

>>53739783
Rick and Morty is legit. I can't say for Steven Universe because I've never seen it. Fanbases in general are a bad place.

>>53737218
I absolutely do not want politics at my table, alongside religion discussion and gender-bullshit discussion.
I don't see why anyone would want either of these things at their table.

I hear enough about how [insert political figure here] is the worst/best from facebook shit

>>53739803
Maybe its just cartoons in general that just gather the worst fanbases.

I mean, I've played with star wars fags, trek fags, halofags, tolkien fags, potterfags, actual fags, but be a fan of a cartoon, and suddenly you become a huge idiot.

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>>53739783
All fanbases are terrible. Its impossible to like anything without autists sucking all the fun out of things. Television, movies, vidya, literature, it doesn't matter.

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>>53736568
>High INT, High WIS character gets played as lolsorandom

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>>53738563
Oh, it could definitely work.

>>53738413
How stupid a level 20 fighter can hit things better. A level 20 wizard can bend reality

>>53737001
And there is a big red flag.

"Alignments are shit"

Anyone that can't wrap their head around the concepts can't play grown up make-believe. They just don't have the gray matter for it.

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>>53739783
Could show this to Rick and Morty fans to see if they get amused and keep the ones that are.

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>>53739883
>Cat-eared fursonas

>>53739851
>periodically have to ask 2 players if their wisdom is really low enough to justify a course of action
>turns out it's just an expression of the player's low wisdom

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>>53739979
>conflates kemonomimi with furry

>>53737015
>Asuka's mom in the background though

>>53737257
Yes, but dumbshits that go off and try this profession don't realize that statistically, they are going to fail. Guaranteed. And the universe seems to be a cheeky bitch that like to have the fail RIGHT when stealth is needed most.

So use your fucking brain and don't do it while we are playing. Do it during downtime, only.

>>53739979
>Catgirls
>Fursonas
Pick one.

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>>53740019

>>53739843
fanbase awfulness is highly variable.

I mean, consider sports fans that have literal riots about their shit.

I honestly couldn't tell you what factors lead to awful fan bases, it seems that there are many. I do thing some fan bases ARE legitimately worse than others, or at least have louder, more visible anomalies.

>>53739979
That's Final Fantasy 14 fanart.

>>53738130
good thing it's already in a positive light to begin with

>>53739979
Those are Mithra from FF 11.

>>53739979
You might want to re-evaluate the terms you're using, newfriend

>>53740065
Nah, they don't have a dotted noses, they're Miqo'tes

>>53739843
tumblr fanbases > weebs = furries > reddit fanbases > normie fanbases > obscure fanbases

>>53740012
Here's a haiku for you:

Kemonomimi
A nip word for furry shit


Suzuki honda

>>53736745
I'd love ANY discussion about our game. What are you on?

>>53737015
>I'm neutral, I don't do anything

>>53736882
>https://youtu.be/SZNbabKjKpA

>>53740107
But they aren't furry. If they were furry then they'd be completely covered in fur,and likely splattered with neon paint. Catgirls, especially Migo'te, are not furry.

>>53736903

Different anon, but the single worst DM I've ever had was a morbidly obese woman. This was from a time before tumblr was a thing, but I would be shocked if she wasn't a proud member. She played heavy favoritism and tried to be spooky, edgy, and mysterious for her and/or her friends snowflake characters, but really they were just bad. It was a painful experience.

>>53740129
Catgirls are the gateway drug to furry shit. First you're playing FF14, next thing you know you're in a chicken costume Jamaican jerkin it to pregnant Sonic deviant art.

>>53740160
But Anon, I play as an Elezen, not a catgirl.

>>53740006
kek

what makes it better, or worse, is that the character has +1 or higher in every stat. and is also a serial molester.

>>53740156
VtM?

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>>53738808
Undertale is a fine game, there is nothing wrong with it.

However, anybody that brings it up in a conversation these days is a red flag because the game is a year and a half old and is not relevant anymore. I respect your intelligence enough to understand why.

Anyways, add Homestuck, Adventure Time, MLP and any Overwatch content that isn't a clip from the respective game or show. (i.e. omg look at this comic/fanart/video I found its soooooooooooooooooooooo cute/sad/cool etc.)

>>53739783
I agree. Rick and Morty is fucking cancer in my eyes, and I hate specific references anyways. The only acceptable references are subtle ones, like guards being named Biggs and Wedge, or a generic monster being templated from LoZ, or a timekiller quest given out by a kid that is followed around by a duck and a dog to find his lost friend.

Simple, aha moments where you can appreciate something that another player or the DM is referencing without breaking the flow of the game or disrupting things.

I do this by inserting classic vidya monsters as dungeon filler instead of throwing goblins at them for the twentieth time. It's more interesting to find a nest of bright red-with-white-spots carnivorous flowers that move around when nobody's looking and ambush the players than just another kobold warren every now and then.

>>53740281
Please. She didn't have the intelligence. OWoD is too abstract for her (you read that correctly. Let that sink in). It was D&D 3.5.

>>53740179
>not playing as a /fit/ roegadyn
AWAKEN MY CRYSTALS

>>53740360
I like Rick and Morty but even I have to agree R&M fans are the worst, but that might just be because I think millennial nihilism is the shittiest meme ever developed.
>le nothing matters summer come watch TV
>szechuan sauce morty ahahaha

Basically you can confirm any outspoken fan of the series to be a trashposting, annoying dainty bitch who wont stop making snide comments and dicking in their phone

>>53740380

Mah nigga.

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>>53736568
>extremely self centered, projects extremely hard onto everyone around them
>unable to separate themselves or other players from their respective characters
>can't let anything go, in or out of character, despite incredible patience from others
>puts both the extreme 'passive' and 'aggressive' in passive aggressive
>unironically likes everything to do with Minions

>>53740466
im would consider myself a rick & morty fan and showed it to a lot of my friends, but holy shit i hate the memespouting part of the fanbase. ESPECIALLY the szechuan sauce, which is basically a thinly veiled advertisment and has 0 thought behind it and isnt even a joke at all. I'll send my friends who watch the show the occasional meme or reference about it but god damn it, after s3e1 came out facebook and reddit were (even more than usual) cancerous for a while.

>>53737126
well tbf it makes some sense that persons with uncommon background (such as obscure races or uncommon race/class combinations) would end up sharing company with similar individuals whereas society at large would have problems placing them.

>>53739971
i can feel that hehe

>>53736568
>Doesn't have their own set of dice after seven sessions
>Expects to use others' dice and gets insulted when told to fuck off
They're literally 5 bucks ffs.

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>You encounter the world boss as a random encounter

First off, mixing terminology. "World Boss"? You mean the fucking BBEG?
Second, having a end-game encounter randomly occur, almost killing multiple party members and actually killing two.

I swear I'm the only competent GM in my group, only one of them gets things even close to right, and she's a newbie to the entire concept of TTRPGs, so she's got talent but not experience.

>>53737015
I'm so hard right now.

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>The entire campaign is one giant unfunny reference to the GM's favorite show/vidya/anime

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>tfw as GM all the darkest urges to include dumb shit that wouldn't fit with the dumb shit in the game already and having to force it down because you know it'll be a better game and happier party for it

What can I say? I have a perfect party. They fuck up but on a 20/80 ratio instead of the usual 90/10.

>>53739847
If you go deep enough into literature you can avoid it, but you gotta go DEEP. Usually, stuff that people can't namedrop for smart points because no one has heard of it.

>>53736882
Fuck with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tdNL8m_ww

>>53740042
I agree that there are fanbases worse than others, but I don't think I've ever encountered a fan base that was actually good. I'm not saying good shit never comes out of them, but they're almost always awful as a whole.

>>53740871
>unironically likes everything to do with minions
I'm so sorry Anon. I'm so sorry.

>>53742060
Leave fanbases. They're useless save for fan art. I watch Steven Universe twice a year with a gaming friend in gigantic batches over drinks and shit. Don't look even a lick at a single bit of online discourse about it save the traffic I have to dodge going through this hellhole every day. Works great.

>We'll be using theater of mind for this campaign.
Well, a lot of my features depend strongly on who stand where! A lot of them impair movement. Let's not forget attacks of opportunity. How do I even play my character, if I can't see the battlefield?

>>53736984

I played an asherati because i wanted to be a walker in the waste. I mean how am i supposed to explain a human wanting to worship sand dehydration and dryness.

>>53737126
das rayciss

>>53737126
That sounds dull.
Closing off options because someone might attempt special snowflaking is a boorish move.
Try playing with competent adults instead.

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>>53737015
Is it you? Are you the one I've been looking for?

>>53742195
Back in the day, race used to be something you were, not just another building block in a complete character. This guy was a fighter, you were an elf. It kept the game human-centric and encouraged the view that the other races were different, alien, and powerful in their own right: granting them more options and classes to pick entirely ruined this.

>>53742244
you can do it both ways you cottage-cheese ass grog

>>53742244
>Back in the day
Translation: In the less popular line of D&D.

>>53742195
Yeah reducing a race to a smidgen of numbers and maybe an ability is super interesting.

>>53742265
>the less popular
But better.

It's hard to not be better than 3rd edition and after.

>>53742314
>a smidgen of numbers and maybe an ability
>implying that hasn't always been how D&D races have worked

>>53742315
>Basic
>better
There's a reason AD&D was the one that got most of the support.

>>53742334
Well, there's also a reason why Basic is the one OSR near-unequivocally goes for while AD&D tends to be shunned.

>>53742321
Yeah darkvision (because motherfucking everything has darkvision) is exactly the same as an entire class.

>>53736882
Just pick a random Powerwolf song

>>53742378
>the one OSR near-unequivocally goes for
You mean 'the one more OSR hacks are published of', and that's very easy to explain: Basic is easier to fuck with. AD&D has more moving parts, so fiddling with it is more likely to just end up with a shitty mess. If I were going to b8 a bit more, I'd say that between AD&D already being a solid game, and the plethora of oddball supplements published during 2e, full reworks aren't really needed, just balance tweaks.

Unfortunately I don't have that /osrg/ screencap where anon explains that /osrg/ is largely focused on the part of the OSR movement called 'DIY D&D'.

>AD&D tends to be shunned.
Ha. It's more that the section of the OSR community who play AD&D tends to play AD&D, not an AD&D-alike like Labyrinth Lord AEC. And that they hang out on Dragonsfoot, not here.

>>53742384
>is exactly the same as an entire class.
When said class is 'fighter but with slightly different saves' or 'fighter-mage', it pretty much is.

>>53736882
Do you have Aspergers? Because, really, SERIOUSLY, I met an aspie who hated music because it would trigger him. He's a cool guy and all but he's just... A bit disabled with that.

>>53738599
>I keep it limited
You're boring and I don't want to talk to you.

>>53736568

>Every session one player starts whining about how is character is useless until the GM fudges stuff to make him outshine everyone else.

>>53736568
>Tell everyone there will be a session 0 to create characters together.
>Literally one of the first things i tell them.
>Someone passes me their character sheet a week before session 0.
Oh hey thanks.
I say red flag like that isn't an insta boot

>>53742728
The worst thing they did was be prepared in advance?

>>53743185
When the GM tells you they're going to have a session 0 where the party creates characters together with the GM to make sure they all fit together, that means they do not want you to create a character on your own.

>>53736745
I can slightly sympathize. Talking about the game is good. Logging in and having to read a 1200 post conversation, is not.

>>53743185
The worst thing they did was disrespect me, and their fellow players. 0 sessions are for collaboration between party members, they bring everyone up to speed on the game, its world, and their fellow players. They tell me as a gm what the group wants out of the game. Depending on the system it can also drastically affect party balance (looking at you literally every super's game).

Ignoring that, they're basically saying that they could care less for the game, what their fellow players want out of it, what the gm wants out of it. They want to play some character they already have (which is a red flag in and of itself).

Not to mention that they're going to have next to nothing to do during that first session. What with them completely ignoring the point of it. Nobody enjoys sitting out while everyone else makes characters, and asks questions. People that bring characters to a game without asking questions also tend not to like being told that X aspect of their character is counter to the party or setting and needs to be changed.

>>53739783
I like Rick and Morty but I pitied the people who work at McDonalds having to suffer all those shitty rick impressions after that whole schezuan whatever sauce thing.

>>53743266
Just skip it then. Or ask if anything happened that you should know about. If it's important they'll let you know. No reason to read a long backlog.

>>53736568
>DM fudges rolls
>DM doesn't prep
>DM asks for backstory-never uses it
>"Sandbox game" -"You can't do that"
>"Your character is scared now."
>"Your character wouldn't do that."
>"Gritty, low magic, D&D game."
>"I use a lot of house rules"
>"We don't need any rules"
>"We use all the splat books."
>"Party is all monster races."

>>53743389
>"We use all the splat books."
What's the problem with this, unless the DM is unfamiliar with them or they aren't easy to access for the content?

>>53736779
Depends on the edition

>>53739655
tl;dr telling people that murdering your political opponents is wrong, staying consistent with Steven's pacifist characterization, and giving the butch villain a Bad End.

The biggest issue is that the creators said fans can make whatever content they want and no one should receive death threats for drawing a character with skin half a shade lighter. To the sociopaths that made up 80% of the show's fan base, that went too far.

Meanwhile, everyone else dislikes the show because it's pacing is ass and everyone is slowly becoming a gremlin.

>thread topic
It's the eighth session and basic mechanics continue to elude some players. Bonus points if said players chose a more complicated class/character.

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>>53743388
Well...
>"Guys, I'm not going to read that, anything important?"
>"Nope!"
>they changed how skill checks are handled

This drove me up the wall.

>>53743504
Well fuck, that can happen. This reminds me to always double check with the GM.

Your char was fine in the end tough?

>People make bitchy characters
>People unironically compare the oppressed races to the jews, and their opressors to the nazis

and one which I couldn't find any reasoning behind but was true like 80% of the time
>Liking Code Geas and Lelouch

>>53743389
>DM fudges rolls
This is fine, as long as you don't notice.

>>53736937
D&D 4e does this really well.

>>53743556
Does having a soft spot for Code Geass while recognizing it was part of an edgy weeb phase I am no longer in count?

>>53743580
If it's a red flag, I have the feeling that they've picked up on it.

>>53740122
Awww yis.

>>53740129
>I love my girls with animal parts for the sake of animal parts!
>I'M NOT FURRY

This meme again?

>>53739945
that's stupid. you're stupid. limiting your character's moral outlook to nine finely defined points (or ten of you count unaligned and true neutral to be different) is the fastest way to kill roleplaying. I don't want the actions my "alignment" allows me to do to be limited, I want my style of play to form what my character's morality is, not the other way around.

>>53743580
It highly depends on the tone of the campaign and what is getting fudged. If the GM is fudging basically every roll they make because they didn't bother to prep and are trying to lie about it, that's bad. If the party was promised a low-down gritty dungeon crawler, they may feel that victory/failure hinging on the GM's whim rather than a combination of game mechanics, dice rolls, and smart decision making is bad. If the GM fudges against the party, that's either REALLY bad (cheating to kill the party) or a sign of newbishness (didn't expect to party to alpha strike the BBEG and doesn't have a Plan B).

I roll everything in the open because that's what the group agreed on. Other groups may not want that, but both viewpoints are valid.

>that one player who demands that every PC is accepted with open arms the moment we see him

>>53738413
reddit as fuck
no one cares about balance, go back to wow

>>53743432
It's never done with good intentions. Ever. At no time will you as DM be given or even allowed to see inside the book. If you don't like being a minmaxer, you won't have fun in a group that does it. Players that advocate for all splats are dishonest as fuck and won't tell you WHY they need four splats that have nothing to do with their class or the setting. Groups that do it are boring as shit to play in at best. It also means you're playing 3.PF.

>>53743711
>That one player that refuses to let the game continue because "there's no reason for me to trust [new PC]."

Yeah, sitting around the gaming table for an hour while you vet the newbie is really what we all wanted to do tonight.

>>53743600
No, you are good.

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>>53743730
> It also means you're playing 3.PF.
...yes
Also
>4 splats
Given that splats often have even just one trait, feat, or minor item that is worth it, I generally don't even bother tracking the splat it comes from, just the general source since pfsrd.

>>53740360
Biggs and wedge... My niggah

>>53743676
Alignments are not a straitjacket, anon. If you can't roughly place your character somewhere on the chart, you're probably playing him as lolrandom asshole - in which case he perfectly fits as chaotic neutral anyway.

>>53743737
Yeah and pretending that everything is okay is fun.

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>>53743717
>Go to wow for balance

>>53739783
>their fanbase is just awful

We're on /tg/. I don't think there's any room to be talking about other awful fanbases.

>>53743657
Furries are animals twisted into human form.
Shit like catgirls are more about the contrast between the normal and the abnormal, the clearly defined line between the two.

>>53743432
It becomes a problem when
>You know there was a rule in some splat but you don't remember which one or where
>The players mix stuff from 10 splat books which conflict
>They then rage over stuff like "I'm immune to pickpocketing" "But my pickpocket attempt has guaranteed success" or similar stuff
>The players derail the session by using an artifact/rule the DM didn't expect
>You spend 3 minutes searching through books each couple actions
>Players combine stuff that was never meant to be combined to create OP characters
>That guy is the only one who owns a splat book and only lets others read it when he has to justify an action.
>Players suddenly need to deal with something and have no idea what the rules are
>Players need to keep in mind 300 different traits or get fucked over when they forget one
>You have a dragon, a mermaid and a vampire together a group and are supposed to write a campaign
>That guy finds an obscure, poorly-worded rule and ruins everyone's fun by transmutating stuff into a ton of uranium

The splat books should be limited according to the players' and DM's experience and dedication. Except in small settings or with very trusted players, a blanket permission will likely result in utter chaos and randomness, ruining everyone's fun.

>>53742136
By being a fucking cultist, you dense retard. or better yet, not show it off at every given moment.

>>53743480
>It's the eighth session and basic mechanics continue to elude some players. Bonus points if said players chose a more complicated class/character.

Dear lord, nail on the head. My group has a girl that still doesn't really understand what to add to her attack rolls (5e, I even wrote it in for her on her goddamned sheet).

>>53743983
You can run correlations based on what individuals like about a show and find some patterns with personality traits and habits. Like animefags who like generic lowest common denominator moeblob waifus have shit taste and are probably pedophiles.

>>53744203
>My group has a girl that still doesn't really understand what to add to her attack rolls (5e, I even wrote it in for her on her goddamned sheet).

I hate to be sexist , but this is pretty much the case for every girl I've ever played with in my ten years of Gming.

I've yet to work out a reason for it that doesn't make me sound like a basement dwelling misogynist but none the less it's the fact I've observed and no doubt correlated here.

>>53743891
Fuck off dude, you've clearly never experienced the advanced faggotry of people being so unwilling to trust the new PC that you have to make a new one according to their specifications just so you can rejoin the team.

It's fucking retarded, time-consuming and an example of a total lack of cooperation. At least advocate for a middle option

>>53744214
Seems like a stretch at best, and armchair psychology at worst. That's like saying that my enjoyment of gore and graphic violence in DOOM is indicative of a secret desire to skin cats.

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>>53744254
>I hate to be sexist

>>53744254
It's true. Most girls are not interested in pen&paper games, which is a serious problem if they are pushed into the group. This happens most often due to being someone's girlfriend and him wanting to bring her in or her not wanting to be left out. They then exhibit utter desinterest and start to disrupt the flow of the game, yet are hard to kick out without alienating their boyfriend. Either choice can quickly kill a group.
Of those girls who are interested in playing, most are mentally unhinged or complete weebs, often both. Expect them to be tattoed, pierced and have cutting scars on their forearms, and/or addicted to anime, constantly talking about obscure and often edgy shows while wanting to play a CN/CE kitsune or gothic loli. They too tend to disrupt the game.
There are some girls who are legitimately interested in pen&paper games and do not ruin the game by themselves. But even then, many groups contain people who are distracted by them, which will also harm the gameplay. I've never seen it work really well either.

>>53744362
Sounds like someone didn't work with the rest of the group in this collaborative story telling hobby of ours to advance the plot.

There is a huge difference between "hellow fellow adventurers I am player character number 5, may I join your adventure today?", and someone with a reason to be there, and surprise you're bringing in the new character, it's kind of your responsibility to bring a character that can actually integrate into where the group is going.

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>>53739938
>this guy

>>53742528
>not wanting a theme song is aspergers
Anon,I...

>>53744550

Most of my group is complete weebs seeing as we live in Japan, but we're pretty well-adjusted for the most part. She's just not really into the game - spends most of the time on her tablet browsing Tumblr. I've gotten better at reeling her in to the game, but there's only so much I'm willing to do.

>>53744419
It's just the foibles of statistics and the correlations probably aren't strong. No real psychology going on. There are definite patterns among vocal fans of something, but it doesn't account for the rest. I feel like if there were data and you ran partial correlations, you would find some strong links. Like 60% of doom fans in it for the gore who post about it on 4chan but don't like 40k score high on openness in a personality test.

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>>53739945
>he thinks alignment is smart

>>53743532
Char was okay, but suddenly I was the "what do I roll for that?" guy. I quit the game for unrelated reasons.

>>53744626
He said MUSIC. He doesn't listen to MUSIC you tart.

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>>53743844
The thing is, a well defined character with actual depth isn't going to fit into one specific alignment. In fact, I'd argue that if your character can be roughly placed into an alignment, your character is actually much WEAKER than a character who isn't.

Pic Related

>>53736734
w-what?

>>53744773
You're still thinking of alignment as a straitjacket. It's true that any well-written character can fit well to more than one alignment, but you should also be able to pick a single alignment, two at most, that they fit better than the rest. In no way does it prevent the character from acting like they would fit to a different alignment instead.

>>53739403
Why wouldn't they be able to spot it? Explain how it gets past all their good perception rolls as it swoops in and takes the guy who rolled the lowest? That makes zero fucking sense.

>>53744830
perception rolls are inherently flawed. They should by default be a group thing. Instead you have this impossible to calculate probability where a gm has to figure out how sneaky something is not by a specific chance, but by how a random probability interacts with anywhere between 1 to 6+ other random probabilities.

It's literally pointless 90% of the time. If you have a big enough party probability alone assures that they will never be taken by surprise unless something has a literally impossible to roll stealth.

>>53744797
Again, a well-defined character really can't be defined by one specific alignment because character development dictates that a character will shift and evolve over the course of the story based off of the events that happened to them.

For example: What alignment would you honestly define Guts as being if we looked at the entirety of his history? For every example you pull up to define him as one, another anon could pull up evidence that completely counters your evidence, and the thing is, you'd both be right and wrong at the same time because Guts character has changed so much over the years.

Meanwhile, most characters who are defined by one or two alignments end up being flat and fade into obscurity once the story is over.

>>53736568
>Group talks about "slow pace"
>Little to no actual plot development happens for months on end

>>53744937
literally who?

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>>53736568

>>53742012
oh god this is me, I realized this early on too. 3/5ths of my players are really buying into it and seem quite happy, but I hate it. I heavily stocked the last boss fight against them in the hopes of ending the campaign early but they prevailed and thought the boss fight was epic.

>campaign through the GURPS system based on the storyline of Deus Ex. The railroad was too strong and I hate myself for it.

Never, ever use cities as dungeon areas

>>53744937
Fuck your psychologism, go away from fantasy and games.

>>53736568
>player or GM think Whill Wheaton and/or Felicia Day are relevant people when it come to tabletop

>>53744937
>Guts character has changed so much over the years.
So has his alignment.

>>53744941
Exactly. They're so flat, you can't even remember them.

>>53744937
no, character development does not "dictate" that a character shifts alignments. That's incorrect.

A character can change and develop and have new motivations and attitudes and many many developmental things, but these do not necessitate a change in alignment.

>>53744986
>fuck your psychologism
Can't help it, my masters is in psychology and I work as a counselor. Even if I tried to stop noticing the discrepancies between how alignment dictates people act and how they really act, I probably couldn't.

>>53745012
Exactly my point.

>>53745033
>A character can change and develop and have new motivations and attitudes and many many developmental things, but these do not necessitate a change in alignment.
Then they haven't actually made any real development.

>>53744906

Passive perception bro

>>53745045
That's not true at all. An alignment can be questioned and tested, but strengthened as a result. that character underwent development and reaffirmed their beliefs.

I grew up being taught that being nice was the right thing to do. So I'm a level 1 dude who is NG because my momma told me to be.

Over the course of my adventure, I witness evil and cruelty, and through my own introspection I decide I wish to be a force for good in the world, and I elect through my own volition to truly be NG.

This is character development (obviously simplified for example's sake) that did not feature an alignment shift, but did feature shifting attitudes and behaviors and beliefs and outlooks and depth.

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>GM has a massive setting wiki he expects players to browse and keep track of
>Regularly peppers NPC dialogs with references to obscure cultural trivia to "quiz" players on the world

>>53745090
>Over the course of my adventure, I witness evil and cruelty, and through my own introspection I decide I wish to be a force for good in the world
That sounds like more of an edict of LG though.

>>53745110
I have a wiki of my campaign world but that's halfway in function of acting as GM notes of details I flat out stated and made canon. It add details to a setting but generally it isn't a mandatory read. If anything its more of an aid if player want to know the basic info of the setting.

>>53745116
first of all, wanting to be a force for good in the world is not exclusive to LG.

secondly, not an argument.

>>53745213
>first of all, wanting to be a force for good in the world is not exclusive to LG.
LG is the paragon of goodness in the world, which is why angels and Paladins tend to be LG more than anything else. It's okay though, it wouldn't be the first time that some moron on /tg/ got their alignments wrong.
>secondly, not an argument.
You're right, it was a statement of fact.

>>53745239
this is pointless and irrelevant. Just assume I said "I"m LG because my momma told me to be" then if you care so much about the meaningless details of the example I used. I wish I didn't even use a metaphor since you decided to shift the entire conversation to the detials of the metaphor instead of the point.

Which is what people do if they don't have a good argument.

>>53745262
Your argument was flawed from the onset because the point was that a character whose alignment doesn't change didn't actually grow as a character.

You started off as NG because your momma told you to be good. You didn't care enough one way or another to be Lawful or Chaotic, so you basically just stayed out of everyone's way and tried to live up to the tenets of good to the best of your abilities.

Then you saw evil and cruelty in the world and you decided to put his foot down as opposed to just staying out of the way and doing good whenever you find it because "y'know what, I don't like that shit, so I'm going to actually commit to my views and do everything in my power to oppose the tenets of evil,"

I'm sorry that you got butthurt over me actually giving your character depth but again, it wouldn't be the first time some moron got their alignments wrong on /tg/. It's okay though.

>>53745239
Not him but you're wrong. A neutral good person can go around with an intense desire to be good and show people goodness and be an example of goodness. You don't have to be LG to have these traits.

>>53736745
I have never experienced this red flag before. If you're miraculously still here, could you tell me about the people that this red flag was warning against?

>>53736745
I would take this red flag over a dead and unenthusiastic chat any day.

>>53745410
The first part is incorrect though. That is what is incorrect. The original point you made is that a character changes alignments as part of development. But that's incorrect. A character can experience an alignment shift when he develops further, or he may not. Neither is necessary or mutually exclusive. An affirmation of beliefs, different motivations behind a belief, personal reasons for a belief rather than being given one, intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, these are all examples of character development that don't necessitate a shift in alignment.

I regret ever trying to use a metaphor because you got so caught up with it, and you're failing to realize it's irreverent if I typed evil or good or neutral of whatever.

My original point is just that you shouldn't get hung up on alignments when talking about character development, because people can develop a character without changing alignment (or they can, either way). It's kind of funny that you got hung up on the alignment metaphor when my original point before I even mentioned the metaphor was to not get hung up on alignments lol

>>53743600
Geass wasn't even that edgy, by anime standards, at least they had a sense of humor and self-mockery.

>>53738413
That guy doesn't understand what levels are. They weren't ever intended to be equivalent. They were supposed to represent degrees of power. A 2nd level thief is better than a 1st level thief, etc. Which is why all of the classes had different XP charts back in the day. That never REALLY changed, but wizards keeps fucking it up and trying to make it that way.

>>53743600
>>53745530
If Geass is what pass as 'edgy' these days then the standards have really lowered when a show whose main trait is being CAMPY is now what pass as 'edgy'.

>>53736568
"muh RAW and dice rolls" i.e., not caring about ingenuity / creative problem-solving and instead just beating every monster by spamming attacks at it until it dies.

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>>53745507
So you basically introduced a flawed argument, while admitting that the main point of said argument is irrelevant, and now you're basically trying to save face while backpedaling from your original position.

I gotcha senpai.

It's whatever I guess, I can't hold a gun to your head and make you come up with a decent character or anything, I can only give you tips to help you out a bit so that your next characters have a bit more depth than the paper they're written on.

Oh well, here's a trophy, not for anything important, just something to make you feel a bit better about yourself because gosh darn it, you tried, and that's all we can ask anyone to do.

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>>53745627
Alignment doesn't really even say so much anyway. Lawful Good means a guy's a pretty orderly and decent bloke. That's it.

If you can't work around that to still make a deep and well-fleshed-out character, then it's really not the system's fault.

>>53745627
How is my main point irrelevant? Don't think that character development = alignment shift. It's simple. There is lots of development to be hard while not necessarily shifting alignment. This isn't incorrect or irrelevant to the discussion or to gaming. I also haven't backpeddaled at all, you can scroll up and read the exact same statement in my first response to you here: (>>53745033). I have not shifted my position at all.

You seem like you're just trolling for responses.

>>53744565
You're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. In my experience it's the opposite. The assholes who will gatekeep don't want you to be too complex a character. Every bit of weakness or disfunction or interesting setting detail you put in just becomes ammo for them to "play their character" against yours.

There's showing distrust and then there's holding the game hostage.

>>53737188
Find someone with perfect skin. Take it from them.

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>>53736827
>mfw I am playing a little girl half-kitsune

>>53737188
PUT THE GODDAMN SODA AND ALCOHOL DOWN. DRINK WATER MOTHER FUCKER.

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>>53745696
It's okay Billy, you won the argument, there's no need to be upset or anything. You might even have time to get a nappy in before lunch.

>>53743711
>>53743737
It's on both players, but usually the first problem is caused by the new player's character being an edgy dick

>>53744707
>tart

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>>53742396
My nig

>>53740102
That's the... opposite, isn't it?
You're saying that tumblr fanbases are superior.

>>53746111
Well at least they make a lot of good porn.

>>53738670
Is jokaero an actual player option? I never played rouge trader but I didn't expect space monkeys to be playable

>>53738905
>Not using an active monster stealth roll against the players passive perception.
>Bad GM's are bad.

>>53738413
While I agree with >>53745576,
>Which is why all of the classes had different XP charts back in the day.
the whole point of asymmetric XP charts is to balance the classes (by XP, not level).

Mind you, that only balances what their class let's them contribute.
If the party dynamic degrades to the point if PvP, the lv.2 Fighter will still tear the lv.10 Magic-User a new one.

>>53744949
>Never, ever use cities as dungeon areas
Why on earth not?

>>53744949
Well shit, be happy that you made those people happy.

>>53737188
Photoshop?

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>>53736568
>Discord server has a porn channel that's filled with loli and futa porn.

>>53745045
So wait, Alignments are shit, but you can't have character growth without shifting alignment?

So Gary Gygax invented Character Growth?

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>>53746422

>>53742012
I made an entire campaign based on baldurs gate vydia.

I figured since its a dnd game and we are playing dnd it would be fine.

>>53736568
>d20
>Anime
>4chan
>classes
>magic = science

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>almost every situation that happens in game splits the group into two factions of sjws sweebs and neo reactionary dweebs doing their bullshit culture war memeing larping
>mfw instigating their fights on purpose

>>53742439
You mean the bait screencap full of false info? Also most people play dnd basic in the /osrg/ the retroclones are just more organized.

>>53746296
>the whole point of asymmetric XP charts is to balance the classes (by XP, not level).
Yes, that's actually what I meant to suggest. Sorry if it came off as otherwise.

>>53736984
Hey, I play humans only until I'm told I've earned the right to play a non-human.

>>53745916
>just put down the alcohol
If it was that easy my childhood would have been much brighter

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>>53736568
>DM has extensive rules for the effects of menstrual cycles and insists that anyone playing female characters keep precise track of their cycles
>in a fantasy adventure game with elf wizards and dragons and knights

>>53747237

>Party organises a meeting between two dragonesses on PMS, who proceed to fly at each other's throat while the group loots the hoard unnoticed.

>>53738905

Here's a good one.

>DM plays a game that has 'skill' checks.

>>53736984
God, you sound like a boring asshole.

>>53745041
Do you really think a DnD character can't change alignment?

>>53737305
Why would you ever associate with people with different political ideas? As someone mostly apolitical I can't get it. People with strong political opinions are as annoying as weebs or football hooligans, sure they must be even more annoying to those who are supposed to be their enemies?

>>53742728
>DM says to make character ahead of time for Session 0, so we can collaborate our backstories, get into the world, etc.
>Session 0 happens
>I'm the only one who made a character, or even brought a sheet
This pisses me off more than the other way around.

>>53738184
Same.
She has a completely different source of inspiration than the rest of us so she often comes up with thing we have never thought of before.

>>53743376
I mean, if the character the player hands me is good then what is the problem? They can still participate in Session 0 by telling the group about their character and how they plan on fitting them into the world. They can also help other players with their characters if they'd like. Unless somebody is coming into my medieval fantasy with some sort of weird sci-fi alien, chances are them making their character by themselves isn't that bad. At worst it will need some minor tweaks for fluff's sake.

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>Player is active at all hours of the day and night
>Can't be arsed to stay awake when its actually game time

>>53744254
That is because you had only played with one girl in those ten years you stupid basement dwelling misogynist.
>>53744550
>I never played with any girls.
>>53744658
Maybe you should try talking to her about why she is not into the game so much and see if anything can be worked out.

>>53749015
This happened to me the last session I DM'd. If I was a lesser DM, I would have sicced every monster in the dungeon on him.

>DM says "roll an attack"
>What dice do I roll ?
>The d20
>Player gives her the d20
>Rolls
>Ok, what now ?
>Have to explain her how an attack works
>This campaign has begun 2 years ago and she hasn't changed her character ever
>This happens every week

Fuck this shit seriously

>Ok, so this campaign is set up in X universe, which I think only half of you know, could you read a bit about it before the session so that you can know what you can/want to play ?
>Link them 5 different short articles presenting the setting, including lighthearted shit like 1d4chan articles
>Add a 1 paragraph writeup of what part of the setting we'll explore

I though this was a good idea

>Did this for a wh40k-set game
>First session
>2 players know the setting and want to play pdf soldiers
>3 players haven't read anything and have no clue of what's going on
>One player has read a bit and wants to play a tyranid

Terminate me please

>>53736984
This.

>>53740107
>5
>7
>6
anon...

>>53744550
the best roleplayer I personaly know is a girl, she can pull off completly different characters seemingly with ease, switching between a cold blooded assasin - cyborg in Shadowrun, an idealistic but naive yet very sociable and charming vampire in VtM or a terrified scientist in a horror campaign, with some of the best player to player dialogue i have experienced.

She still has to ask what to roll for attacking, though.

>>53748152
theres a huge difference between "people with different political ideas" and "retards that cant keep their mouths shut about their political ideas"

I have people I consider friends who's political stances are very different to mine (for example, not caring about who gets elected and not voting) but I despise people that have similar political beliefs as me who try to make everything about those political beliefs (for example, i'm pretty left, but I hate everyone who starts talking about trump/religion/sjw bullshit without any reason to, even if i genereally agree with their thoughts)

>>53743797

Source on webm?

>>53745431
Imagine a group of spazes that only talk about games and memes for hours and try to pull ridiculous powerplays on the GM so that he will let their characters to completely break the system. Couple that with three guys that never know when to shut the fuck up, with one of them yelling at you for not logging in an hour earlier than the usual and you have this little nightmare.

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>>53736745
>group has a discord server

>>53747763
Most can't in 3rd edition unless they want to lose their class abilities, which ended up mutating into alignment shift = bad for the majority of people, which is why most will throw a fit if you make them go through an alignment shift.

>>53736882
Not sure, if you re still there, but why don*t you listen to music in your own time?

>>53750815
>most
>only 1 of them can't

>>53751503
Core Classes that have alignment requisites.
>Monk (can only be a lawful alignment)
>Barbarian (can only be a chaotic alignment)
>Druid (can only be a Neutral alignment)
>Paladin (can only be LG)
>Clerics (cannot be any alignment that opposes their deity).
>Bards (cannot be any Lawful alignment)
So that's over half the core classes in 3.PF that have restrictions based off of what sort of alignment their characters can be that will lose their class abilities or their progression if they stray too far into the wrong alignment.

>>53744949
I think this warrants a storytime.

>>53746463
I'd say that reference or using a pre-made world as a building block isn't "funny" or "unfunny." You'd have to classify a lot of normal stuff, like Tolkien RPGs or Unofficial Elder Scrolls RPG as "unfunny references" with those rules.

>>53736745
I'm a GM and my players do this. Literally my proudest accomplishment

>>53751669
Yes, only paladin can't change. Everyone else can with a few limitations.

>>53751768

Also a lot of those don't lose class abilities

Monk: retains all
Barbarian: retains all
Bard: retains all
Cleric: can atone to a different god and regain all with the new alignment

>>53736984
Damn, this so much.

Everyone wants to be a special snowflake. It's cringe.

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>>53740019

>>53737218
That's a good thing.

>>53737942
Holy shit this. How do we stop this, /tg/?

>>53738905
>>my character doesn't need to sleep, is proficient in perception and has darkvision
I hate this.

>>53751940

By applying the rules
Rushed diplomacy check on hostile target is DC 30 to unfriendly, 35 to indifferent.

>>53737480
At this point theater of the mind is at least a yellow flag for me.

>>53736984
Filthy fucking xenos lovers.

>>53739783
Its cartoons in general, they are all trash. The fanbase that watches cartoon is trash as well. Is like, you wouldn't expect Bieber fans to be intelligent. Same with those cartoons you mentioned.

>>53751768
>>53751852
They still can't gain levels in their class if their alignments change, which means that if you want to continue advancing with that character, you have to go back to their base alignment or somehow pull out a compelling reason for why your character spontaneously wants to multi-class, which is a huge bitch logistically, especially if you're in an area where there aren't a lot of friendly NPC's who are willing to teach you.

>>53737480
>>53751977
Ditto for me, the last few months have gotten me to hate Narrative based games based solely on how pretentious the community is for those games.

Like, it's bad enough that they have no respect for the rules and feel the need to butcher it to suit their needs but then they have the nerve to punish you IC and OOC for actually playing to your mechanical strengths or your strengths as a player.

>>53752122
>muh rules!
D&D fanboys, everyone.

>>53752071
A druid can go from NG to TN easily. So can clerics as long as they are within one range of their deity and so on.

It's just a way to say you can be a cleric as long as you are close enough to your deity's morals to be in their favour, or disciplined enough as a monk to follow some set code, no matter what you use it for.

>>53751977
>>53737480
See what I mean? It's like they >>53752141 can't help but announce how shitty they are whenever anyone mentions the mechanics of the game.

It doesn't help that they're the types who would gladly listen to themselves talk for four hours if they didn't have to deal with, ugh, the players.

>>53752071

>3.5
>taking levels in a base class instead of a PRC after lvl 5

Seriously?

>>53751928

Being political is literally being human. Banning politics at the table is the same as banning being a functional human being at the table.

If this was said at our table, I'd immediately make a motion to throw you out.

>>53752447
Fucking is literally being human, but it's not something really table-appropriate, either. Nothing says "No progress tonight" as much as two two shitheads arguing their political beliefs.

>>53752540
Two shitheads jacking each other off too

>>53739403
>if it pulled back etc etc
That is called stealth skill, gm. Roll it or take ten and stop trying to rule lawyer bonuses you shouldn't have, you already have them all.

>>53736779
You can just not play one?

>>53750535
Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon ep. 4 19m04s

>>53744214
There is literally nothing wrong with a player being a pedophile.

>>53753196
Except for, y'know, the whole raping children thing.

>>53753257
That's child molestation and is literally illegal. I don't think it needs to be said that being a felon is a huge red flag regardless of the crime.
Getting hard or wet at the thought of children isn't a crime, though, and most people are able to live their lives without raping any children just like most non-pedophiles are able to live their lives without raping any non-children.

>>53753299
Most people don't rape other people because even the most kissless virgin can find someone to fuck them if they lower their standards into the mariana trench.

Pedos, by default, are rapists because the only way for them to get off is by either raping children or watching someone else rape a child for them.

At least in porn you can say that the actresses signed up for it in most cases but you can't say the same for CP since children cannot consent by law.

But y'know, keep telling yourself that you're not actually doing anything wrong.

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>>53753365
>I can't control my dick so neither can anyone else
>if you argue against thoughtcrime you must be a pedophile
Red flags all around.

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>>53740019
DELET THIS

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>>53753418
>If you hate my degenerate fetish then you're the one with the problem, not me.
Wew lad

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>>53753482
>moaning about "degeneracy"
Ding, red flag.

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>>53753490
>Wanting to fuck children isn't degeneracy
This is the world we live in right now. I hope to god you're trolling at least.

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>>53753517
>mixes up fantasies and reality
Ding, red fag.