/srg/ - Shadowrun General

Is it one anon that makes these threads? If so, kudos man.

Chummer, the LAST one was Failure edition
And what a failure it was
but why are you failing in the OP?

>>53636444
no. They get made by whoever wants to make one
which is why we already had the situation that two or more anons made /srg/s simultaneously

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Alright, so guns. How big is too big? Should a GM award penalties for them being too large?

>>53637438
stop

If your runner was to retire from running and take up a normal job, what would he want to be profession wise?

What's the limit for what players can take during character creation?
If I go A priority for money, could I get 4 limb replacements all fully customized and enhanced?

>>53637705
Does soldier count as normal job?

>>53638552
If you mean like Foreign Legion/A-Corp and up defense force/PMCs, then sure

>>53637705
Manager at a stuffer shack. Follow your dreams, kids.

>>53637705
I think you are missing the point of the word retire

>>53638633
I did say "retire from running"
that can mean "got enough money to settle down and do whatever job just because they like it"
It can mean "the heat's too much and you want to take something less stressful"
It can mean "You either take the job or you die"

>>53638717
There are only two ways for me to retire chummer
The first one is making enough money to lay down under the sun and snort novacoke from models asses
The second is die trying
The rest is just giving up

>>53638792
okay, so the job you'd take would be "corpse"

>>53637705

He was already a retired leg breaker, bodyguard, and wheelman when he became a shadowrunner because he needed the money.

Ideally he would retire from shadow running to actual retirement. Get a home somewhere, upgrade his mobile home. And travel around the world, party, make trouble, maybe get in contact with his birth family and patching things up with those who would even talk to him. Eat, drink, drive fast, and enjoy some ice cream. He is a man of simple, though at times expensive, tastes and is going to be getting on in years soon, assuming he doesn't die from his crippling alcoholism first.

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>>53636023

Does anyone have stuff to add to the pastebin in the OP post?

I thought I had a cheat sheet that wasn't listed already but I was wrong.

>>53636023
>>53639412
The pastebin needs links to stuff on how to write modules. That way we can add more of them since Love Love Anon's module is the only one so far.

How the heck are Technomancers supposed to improve their meatspace abilities if they don't have buff magic, and augmentations kill their techno-fu? Initiative, I'm looking at you.
Sheesh, it feels like a trap archetype. Deckers are so much easier to make.

>>53639954
Wait for the techno book :^)

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>>53639954

>>53640105
>play 4th edition instead of 5th
FTFY

4th edition.

if your character starts the game not rich, doesn't have the perks that lower the essence cost of cyber or bioware, and is of medium to below average intelligence (not sharp, but not stupid enough to need a minder watching them) And has already spent 4.something essence on augments for reflexes armor and a control rig.


How should you go about spending xp and money to make them better as they develop?

I kind of feel like I've painted myself into a corner.

>>53639954
Drugs. Like technomancers are one of the secondary reasons combat drugs exist.

>>53640138
>>53640312

Going in another direction with this. What happens when you give a decker, technomancer, or rigger PCP while they are plugged in?

>>53637705
He has some actual honest-to-god land in injun territory. He's got dreams of being a farmer. Not a corp one, just a regular good old boy. Have a family, try his hand at maybe a small vineyard since he has the connections to possibly net him some good grape seeds. Not a rich life, omae, but a surprisingly comfortable one for being in the grim future.

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I feel like this could be photoshopped to be shadowrun very easily. Maybe put some cybernetics or tattoos on stallman. I'm just not sure what the replacement text should say though.

Also in the tea of augmented reality people can stick memes all over the place. Imagine like imagine seeing a tunnel of meme images stacked overtop of the road in your neighborhood. It would be annoying. It possibly also funny.

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>>53636023

What vehicles in shadowrun have the kind of length of life that the Citroen 2CV has had in real life?

Also anything with it's ubiquity, simplicity, low price, and reliability.

Here is a documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZsagSgIXM

here is one being driven in a rally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyzsN8-6C4

New to shadowrun, but how do I calculate bow damage? If I have a rating 6 bow, 6 strength, and 6 rating arrows for example. I'm not sure how the arrow rating factors into the equation. I was planning on using the dynamic bow as an adept, but didn't know if different arrow ratings would mess that up.

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>>53641986
>When attacking with a bow, a character whose Strength is less than the Rating suffers a –3 dice pool modifier per point below the minimum.
>The weapon’s Rating is also used to determine its range and damage (maximum Rating is 10).
>>Use the lowest value of your Strength, the bow’s rating, or the arrow Rating for range and damage when attacking a target.

>>53642212
Thank you! Maybe you can answer another question, do injection arrows cause any additional damage?

Player of mine wants to take "Deductive Reasoning" Sherlock Holmes style as a knowledge skill. I'm conflicted as to whether this isn't specific enough or is just fine. I'm also confused what one would separate it into if it needed more specificity. What do you guys think?

>>53637705
Either a bounty hunter or a body guard. She has a background in corporate security so it'd probably be the closest and most realistic occupation for her.

>>53642329
He'd need at least 7 log and exceptional attribute log for that I'd say. There's a reason not every detective is Sherlock Holmes.

But if they do that, sure, let them have it as a knowledge skill.

>>53642329
That sounds more like an Ability than a Skill.

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>>53642329
>An injection bolt causes the same damage as a regular arrow or bolt, but also includes a payload of one dose of a drug or toxin. Effects depend on the drug payload, but to successfully deliver it, the attack must deal at least one box of damage after the Damage Resistance Test.
>>53642329
Depends on how the player wants to use it, really. At first blush it sounds like the kind of thing that you'd try to use as a catch-all to do whatever you want instead of taking specific skills. Sort of like how you get players that try to use Street Life to justify anything related to Shadowrunning.

If I had to allow it for some reason, I'd probably set a high threshold before you started accruing net hits. Maybe tell him to take the Common Sense quality instead and use that for his mental ability?

>>53641262
Idk, but people in the third world are probably using Toyota Hiluxs as techanicals in the 2060s.

>>53642329
That's "Perception", or "Forensics" as a Knowledge skill. If he puts enough points in and has enough INT or LOG, then he'll get enough hits for a Sherlock-style deduction. Have him take the Analytical Mind quality if he wants a boost, but he shouldn't get super-metahuman capabilities just by naming his skill all fancy.

>>53642329
Why not let him be an adept with that 3d memory ability? Since sherlock usually visited the crime scene when he tried to use deductive reasoning. Have him snag that, get high ranks in judge intentions, high ranks in perception, and maybe the adept enhanced senses traits for smell, touch and taste.
What I would also suggest is instead of a deductive reasoning knowledge, tell him to have high logic and spread out to multiple knowledges. Have him know wine, showings, clothing, parazoo, poisons, tons of single ranks in different fields of study. Then just have lower dice necessary for exceptional successes to balance his smaller pools in those knowledges.

Tell him to get a mentor spirit that can serve as his watson too, for the full experience

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>>53638532
Can't get anything above 12 availability without Restricted Gear, and a lot of mods bump up the availablity rating of pieces of gear/ware. IIRC you can get those super-limbs, but not as alphaware (because that bumps up Avail, along with the mods, above 12).

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Please r8.
Is there any essential gear I'm missing?
Text for those who prefer it: https://pastebin.com/RZewE5a7

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>>53643563
>Hair: blonde
>Not black
Nice spook, idiot.

>>53642329
>>53642329
I'd go with Perception (Searching) to dig up clues, Forensics to recognize that something IS a clue, and if you're feeling generous, LOG+INT plus whatever analytical qualities or powers you decide count for "Deductive Reasoning." Because while you have the right to play someone smarter than you, relying on the dice to carry you leaves you at the mercy of narrative tension.

>>53637705

Mainframe operator.
Battleframe designer.
Air-Defense network specialist.

Something along these lines.

>>53640377

Nothing. Matrix initiative is separate from meatspace.

>>53644392
What if they are on it before entering the matrix? Does that cure being out of your mind?

>>53644654
I don't know if they'd have the presence of mind to, one, meaningfully get into VR, or two, perform the more complex matrix actions.

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>>53640275
post sheet/chum file

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>>3623361▶
>Seeing as we're on lewd but serious topics, can you fuck a spirit? Would you?

This might be covered already.

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>>53646986
chummer, what the fuck is this mess?
What the hell do you want to be?

>>53646260
The Dream to fuck Buttercup is still alive

>>53642769
Oi Yekka. in (at least the latest, 5.193.78) version of chummer, in create mode, when you have an adept/magician/techno and you burn out for 1 point of ess, it drops your special stat down to 4 - it not only applies the maxvalue down to 5, but it then imposes another (1) augment onto it, so you end up as being treated as at mag/reso 4 for even .1 essence loss. how fix.

>>53642769
>>53647871
Er, (-1) augment obviously

Furthermore, via testing and adding a datajack for .1 ess loss, it took a resonance 7 technomancer down to 5(3) with TWO "Essence (-1)" listings.

I need to teach my players common sense. Anyone have any mission ideas to do that?
They're low level runners but wouldn't think twice about taking a high profile assassination mission. One idea I have is doing exactly that and screw them over. But I'll need more than that so that the experience sticks.

>>53643563
>buying specs at skill rating 1
Fucking idiot.
>urban stealth
You're not going to get a bonus of 2 to everything when you're in a city, maybe just if you're trying to camouflage yourself.
>shit etiquette
>shit negotiation
>no intimidation
You're a retard.
>allergy, common, mild (seafood)
No, fuck off, you're not getting that much karma for something you can easily avoid when everything is made of soy. That's an uncommon allergy if anything.
I can't even bother to check your gear, since it's probably all sorts of fucked.
I'll give you 2 points out of 10.

>>53648132
>when everything is made of soy
everything is made of soy, krill and mycoprotein
unless you take special precautions that soyburger will contain (traces of) seafood, which will trigger the allergy

The rest I agree with you, but Allergy(Seafood) is basically Allergy(Food), unless you take a lot of precautions

>>53648173
Alright, if seafood counts krill and not just shellfish etc., then I guess it's fine.

What does arrow rating do? New to bows and chummer shows no dmg increase for higher levels

>>53648132
>buying specs at skill rating 1
>Fucking idiot.
Not that guy, but it's going to give more dice than a second rank in the skill, albeit in a narrower field, and in-game a single spec takes a whole fucking month.

>Specializations for skills take 1 month of dedicated training to learn and cannot be learned at the same time as anything else.

>>53648446
Arrow rating and Bow rating; use the lower of the two when attacking.

>>53648450
Specialisations are in no way worth the point cost at low rank, they take a whole skillpoint or 7 karma. Just buy skills at rank 2 if using karma, and if using points, use them to bump your primary skills even higher.

I'd much rather have perception at 6 than have a spec on bikes and urban stealth.

>>53648465
But a lower arrow rating doesn't show as less damage. Do you mean that I'd say you're using a 10 rating bow but use a rating 5 arrow, that you calculate as if a 5 bow?

>>53648657
see
>>53642212

basically if your STR<Rating you get a -3*(Rating-STR) penalty on your roll

>>53648465
But a lower arrow rating doesn't show as less damage. Do you mean that I'd say you're using a 10 rating bow but use a rating 5 arrow, that you calculate as if a 5 bow?

>>53648796
yes
if you don't want a penalty then both bow and shaft have to have a rating equal to or higher than your STR

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>>53647871
>>53647899
I'm currently halfway through idiotically rebuilding the gear section so that the XSD template can get linked properly without throwing up errors on build which I can then leverage to enable making custom items directly in Chummer

I should be able to get it sorted out soon.
>>53648796
>>53648446
Chummer currently doesn't know/care about bows and arrows. It's on my to-do list when I get around to properly implementing an ammo class, but until then it's something you have to track manually.

In most cases, the recommendation is that you buy bows and arrows that are the same as your standard strength. If you intend to regularly take temporary strength enhancements while firing your bow, buy arrows that are the highest strength you expect to achieve and use those.

>>53648838
You're the guy making chummer?
Is it intentional that all magic skills disappear from the skill list when you change the creation priorities?

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>>53648871
It's not intended, but I haven't built a replacement for it yet. Use the Special > Reapply Improvements menu option to restore it.

How do you guys feel about a campaign that starts with the players breaking out of a testing facility during a chance afforded by another running team?

>>53649539
sounds cool

>>53649539
How about making one of the player be among the team breaking the other players out, then have his teammates get killed or captured?

Would work really well if there's one experienced player and all others are noobs, I feel.

>>53649539
Sounds cool. Non-standard campaign starts are always fun.
Another campaign starter I heard was for a Desert Wars campaign where the players play a relatively new team for a minor A corp, starting with two or so "friendly" matches before the main tournament starts, and they have an NPC "mentor" who shows the new guys the ropes on how to win, but in the last friendly before the main season the opposing team plays dirty and end up killing NPC dude, who (hopefully) the players ought to care about to a degree at this point. It's not an accident, but the other team plays it off as one and get off scott free due to being a bigger name team. Once the lots get drawn for the round of 16 (or 32) it turns out the players and the rival team are on opposite sides of the board, leading to a scenario where the only way to get a crack at these heavily guarded (Ares? Aztecnology?) combat monsters is in the full on lethal final match.

Seemed like it could be a cool campaign with a decent mix of combat scenarios, outside the ring shit flinging, PR management, and subterfuge to sabotage other teams.

>>53648514
That's assuming you don't have Perception 6 & spec already, and a few spare points to throw around.

>>53650060
Look at the charsheet. He doesn't.

>>53650011
Adding onto this, it might be cool if the stakes got higher each match. Desert wars is all non-lethal until the final, but there still needs to be a level of escalation. For example, maybe placing an availability limit on the lower matches for gear you can use ('ware would need to be powered off if it exceeded the limit) that gets higher each match (So it starts at something like 6-8 with the final being 24). Players would get "credits" awarded for doing well in matches and could then use those to "rent" gear or ware at listed price for the remainder of the tournament (with old gear able to be exchanged), without needing to roll a negotiate test to find it as it's being offered by Desert Wars Arsenal Inc™
So the first match you have stuff like ingrams and crappy decks, but in the final you've got railguns and milspec and rockets, oh my!
It would also make it more "fair" in that well funded teams with the best gear wouldn't autowin, and get viewers more hyped as the tournament goes on, from an IC sense.

Of course, players could always try to smuggle their own gear or buy their own stuff into the match...

>>53650304
To stop mages/adepts from being hugely advantageous at the start you could also impose a force/PP limit, with overseeing magical referees assensing people during and before the match, physical drones recording, and deckers checking that illegal ware is deactivated.

>>53650304
>>53650445
Good luck deactivating bioware.

>>53637705
He used to be a stunt double, presumably he'd like to go back to that.

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Question for you lot. Chummer's old attribute system didn't handle Essence loss in what I'd consider to be a good way. In large part that was due to how SR4 managed it. Anyway, with the refresh I can decouple some of the weirder behaviour, like how Essence Loss wasn't a reduction to the actual statistic, it was just a penalty that used shenanigans to make itself into a maximum modifier.

Anyway, fallout from this is that I'm not super enthused about preserving the old logic that was used to render that behaviour. How important is it for you guys to see that ESS penalty on the attribute itself?
>>53647899
This should be fixed in the next build. +- 10 minutes.

>>53650508
That'd be where the assensing mage ref would come in, and impose a handicap at lower levels (if he detected the bioware/nobody else managed to figure out how that human just snapped a troll in two with moving at mach 3 with no drugs or 'ware)

>>53650637
It's important for vampires because their essence fluctuates depending on how many people they've eaten today and it's nice to remember what my magic was before I had to fast cuz of lent or whatever.

>>53647021
see
>>53639147

I tried to build the character based on their backstory

retired driver, bodyguard, and leg-breaker for a crime boss. who has been traveling the beautiful, dangerous, and balkanized north American continent in a modded mobile home.

He ran out of money in Denver and his vehicle was impounded so he took a job offered by a Johnson for some quick cash.

good at hiding small things, weapons, and booze both on himself and in his environment (bought the extra knifes to hide around the camper shell and cab of his truck)

Is there really any 'ware options to up body? My troll is kind of noodly for being a troll

>>53652512
Bone lacing adds its rating in armour and also adds its rating to your body for the purposes of damage soak tests.
Cyberlimbs add extra condition monitor boxes (and armour)
There's some other bioware to increase toxin res
That's mostly all you'd use body for, but IIRC the only real way to raise the body stat is with Improved Physical Attribute, attribute boost adept power, or attribute boost magic
So basically load your troll up with cyberarms and bone lacing, hope you picked resources A.

>>53652512
The only other option that the guy didn't mention is the Suprathyroid Gland, but thats a relatively awful solution. Its not easy to raise BOD itself for mundanes, you're gonna have to start lifting.

>>53650655
How do you handicap a lot of the 'ware, anyways? Tell the dude with the pain editor to pretend bullets hurt, or the chick woth muscle toner to only flex 66.6% as hard as she could?

For some of them it makes sense, but a lot simply can't not be used, without going supermeta and doing a version of the character without it.

>>53648114
Anyone?

>>53654071
By handicap I meant it'd probably affect their team as a whole or buff the other team slightly.
Eg: since your biosam can't turn off his muscles and synaptic accelerator, their razorboy gets to turn on his WR3, or they get a small headstart in the arena, etc etc
Also, IIRC pain editors can be turned off.

>>53654274
>>53648114
The reason runners have fixers is so they don't take jobs out of their league and get killed instantly, so just tossing them a high profile job out of the blue that you know they'll fuck up is just going to A) not make sense unless their fixer is retarded and B) probably get them pissed at you.
Have a few runs where the Johnson does some legwork for them (eg, I can provide a keycard and map) then wean them off of it until they just pick up legwork on their own.

Alternatively, tell one of them to take/give one of them the common sense quality.

>>53648514
Now I know you're disabled, but try to bear with me here.
Specialization
>grants 2 dice
>costs 1 skill point, or
>costs 7 karma

It is -always- more efficient to specialize than increase the skill when spending skill points. Further, if you have Rating 1 in the skill, it is also more efficient to specialize than buy two more rating, and the efficiency improves drastically at every increase in rating.

>>53650637
Anything changing a stat from base should be illustrated IMO. Another example is REA being reduced due to having too much armor checked in the gear tab. Being able to track that stuff down is helpful for sanity checking a build.

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Come /srg/ I have found an example of pure hilarious and edgy stupidity.

The things you find on roll 20 these days.

>>53656084
Why would you go deliberately looking for garbage?

>>53656084
>In Debt VII
Oh boy

>>53656084
>>53656381
How does an 'insightful' shifter get into debt to that degree with people who're gonna bust your kneecaps?

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>>53656084
This isn't even acceptable as an ERP character on f-list.

>>53656084
>2 BOD
>INI: 5+1d6
unless that guy guzzles jazz like he guzzles cum (industrial amounts) he's gonna be dead before the third fight

>>53656413
How can you be an 'insightful shifter' when you're hopped on on drugs all the time?

Question chummers
How important is being able to astrally perceive as an Adept?

>>53656596
It's very, very useful, but not mandatory. Especially as you can just gut a focus of it later on and then just turn it on when you need to perceive.

>>53656084
>The rabbit hole

>>53656084
"Hunting animals, humans, it's all the same thing. Well, except humans are much more predictable." -Vice
oh my fucking god

>>53656730
>hunting humans and animals are the same thing
>as a trash fox he would have mostly scavenged, not hunted
>he doesn't even hunt people he just snorts coke
>even then he said 5 lines later that humans are much more interesting than animals
I think he's just roleplaying being a drugfilled burnout

>>53656084
Is he supposed to talk his way out of everything? Because that's a retarded plan.

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I didn't realize you can post pdfs like this.
Plz bully/advise how to git gud @ decking.

>>53656837
Well, for when his negotiation mind control doesn't work he has actual mind control to back it up.

>>53656084
I'm playing a drug addled edge monkey ex-prison hitman human supremacist and I still think this is edgy.

>>53656875
put a point into Etiquette

>>53656635
Wouldn't a focus be worthless for astral perception once you hit a place with a background count, since that'd neuter your qi foci?

>>53656875
And also maybe make the Arm customized to AGI 6
You can always add Enhancement, but Customization is when you buy it

>>53656875
I can give you advice nobody else here can since were in the same game.
Don't piss off the elf. She can and will hurt you.
Specifically, If you disagree with her strongly she needs 3 hits on a 5die test not to punch you in the face on principle alone.
I mean, You probably don't know that IC but you coulda heard rumors or learned it the hard way already.

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>>53656875
You can save points by switching the dominant arm the cyberarm and ditching Ambidextrous.
Ditch implanted commlink unless you're set on it for style purposes.
A taser will get a lot more mileage than a stun dongle.
Firearms license would be useful.
Gold and Plat credsticks are overkill.
Drop first aid and buy a savior medkit.
Pilot Ground probably doesn't need to be that high.
No cerebral booster?

>>53657518
so she has modular augment slots for her amrs and one of the replacements features a middle section with an exoskeleton frame that looks human, wrapped in glowing translucent artificial muscle and skin.

Neat. They look quite dashing with that outfit..

>>53657518
What is that stuff she's wading through?

>>53657360
>elf being this intimidated by a 15 year old nerd
kek

>>53656875
Armor Clothing is better than nothing, but not by much. Consider an Armor Jacket, or at least a Lined Coat or Urban Explorer Jumpsuit.

>>53657768
Berserker’s followers have very short fuses. Whenever someone strongly disagrees with you (gamemaster’s discretion), you must pass a Charisma + Willpower (3) Test to keep from striking out against the offender. If the test fails, the attack can be in any form you choose (fist,spell, etc.), but it must have the intent to cause damage.

>>53652512
Narco bioware and gradual release chemical gland full of Kamikaze. Constant effect of +2 Body, +2 Agility, +3 Strength, +2 Willpower, +2 Physical Limit, +2d6 initative dice and High Pain Tolerance 3. Just have to make addiction tests for your entire life, which probably won't be long.

If you want to play on Man Mode, do the same with K-10. +4 Bod, +4 Agi, +5 Str, +2 Will, +5 Init score, HPT3, Berserk. Insane battle troll until your heart explodes.

>>53658226
You can't put synthetic drugs in a chemgland.

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>>53650637
I think it would be fine as long as Infected characters could still see the penalty noted somewhere. Otherwise I don't think it would be terribly disruptive just for the player to make a note that they had X Magic originally.

Also Yekka, not to be a bother but I noted that the Covert Ops Life Module is spelled "Cover Ops;" the T is missing.

>>53658329
So I guess that rules out 100% of the available drugs, huh? Maybe if Catalyst actually provided a list of what is natural and what isn't, it would be meaningful, but every GM I've met ignores that bit because otherwise it's a useless augment.

Can berserker raise you over your normal limits?

>>53658697
There's some natural stuff which is explicitly natural, like snake venom, Betel and the Indian Super Tobacco.

>>53658802
Pretty sure it says it doesn't.

>>53658802
>>53658975
Correction, it doesn't, however nothing can raise you over a +4 to your attributes.

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Kay, took some of the advice people gave and changed some stuff around.

Also, I did the math and my characters goal of "get into harvard" would cost something like 2.5 million Nuyen, Is that an even remotely achievable goal?

>>53659225
Change your Fake SIN name to "Rusty Shackleford."

>>53658946
Betel as presented is a synthesized chewing gum and Snuff is typically put together from the chemicals found in the natural components. Since I doubt the gland is forming plant matter in the body, it has to be doing some kind of biological synthesis to produce the active chemicals of even naturally occurring compounds like intended, but where is it drawing the resources to form these compounds? No matter how natural it may be, you're not naturally producing nicotine.

The natural compounds limitation is just balancing fluff, but they don't give a list of natural compounds to make it worthwhile.

>>53659281
Naw, that's too obvious.

>>53659225
>Impersonation(Human) 0 2(4)
I am pretty sure that you can't specialize in a skill that you don't even have one point in

So chummers, flavor wise I adore the idea of skilljack/wires. Just the idea of being a jittery weirdo who can pop in an sd-card to 'know' Japanese or download how to fly a plane is so awesome. Is there anyway to actually be competent or useful rather with a skillwire based character?

Either as a face or street sam I'd suppose; deckers are so expensive by itself let alone with the price of wires.

>>53659225
Why reaction enhancers?

>>53656968
At the point where a qi focus of Astral Perception would turn off, you're also starting to take a fairly significant dice penalty to your assensing.

And you don't have any real easy way to get rid of that -4 (minimum) penalty. Now, granted with the right Ways and metamagics, you can knock those down in the right circumstances, but it's not as good as being used to that BC.

Also, it depends on what your adept's normal job is. If you had the Warrior's Way, for instance, you probably used your Astral Perception to make it even harder to hide from you.

>>53659225
why two points in swimming?
why the two points in Knowledge:Cybertech? You do know that active skills double as knowledge skills, right?
why ambidextrous? fluff?
you are human, why impersonation(human)?

>>53659521
>>53659378
That was leftover from an earlier build, apparently when I zeroed impersonation out it didn't remove that stuff.
Also I want swimming because I know the game is going to take place on the coast and dont wanna die like a retard.

>>53659696
okay, so what about the knowledge:Cybertech and the ambidextrous quality?

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>>53659282
>No matter how natural it may be, you're not naturally producing nicotine.

It's not natural, it's organic chemistry. You don't naturally produce chlorophyll either, but there's 'ware that lets you produce it organically. Nicotine is just carbon, hydrogen and nitrogen; you already get niacin (one of the two key structures that combine to make nicotine) through B3 complex, which is in a ton of foods, and there are already human enzymes that methylate compounds (important in producing the other structure).

It's not impossible to surmise, at least in broad strokes, which compounds could be produced organically by looking at which are produced already by organic methods or are explicitly mentioned are deriving from natural processes.

>>53659282
>No matter how natural it may be, you're not naturally producing nicotine.
Mate. You're getting too hung up on what "naturally occurring" means.

Does anyone know what the addiction threshhold for deepweed is? It's not listed in the table.

>>53656596
Astral Perception is useful for EVERYONE. Even if your team has a dedicated mage, more eyes that can spot spirits etc. can not be overestimated.

Hell, I've blown karma to buy the a magic quality ONLY for Astral Perception.

>>53660458
Weed isn't addictive, bro.

>>53659696
>Also I want swimming because I know the game is going to take place on the coast and dont wanna die like a retard.
Then you should go higher than Swimming 2, Strength 2, Willpower 3. 4 dice (treading water) or 5 dice (hold breath) will see you drown like a retard almost in a similar timeframe if help is too far to be immediate.

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>>53660458
The French book has it at 4.

>>53660543
Spirits grow the dankest of nugs.

>tfw replaced Shadowrun with The Sprawl and my life is vastly improved
>there's a magic and elves supplement coming soon

h y p e

>>53659070
Except for the cash combo that is Reaction Enhancers + Wireless Reflexes.

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>>53660751
I'm disappointed that he still managed to fuck up hacking through over-complication that only one character can access. Also after any length of time that game turns into a perpetual ass-covering machine.

"Look all I'm saying is that that Humanis club had really good food okay?" -Human decker while in a van with a pixie, elf, and dwarf

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>>53661170
He ain't wrong. I'd get Body Sculpt just a chance at those collard greens.

>>53660789
Yep, Sprawl's structural design flaws show through after a while.

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>>53661302
I wonder if anyone's done a hack where they straight replace Weird with Computer. Are you good with computers? Congrats, you can do really cool stuff and come at problems from unexpected angles. Also GOD will fuck you in the ass eventually.

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>>53661364
Opening Your Brain is a straight Matrix Search. You find something very useful, something kinda useful, or you misclick and end up on /mlp/

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>>53636023
What happens if a player already at his augmented maximum for a certain attribute uses a drug or temporary adept ability (such as Berzerker's Rage) to further increase that attribute?

>>53637705
shamanic street doc in the Barrens, which is what he does now, in between runs. Trying to help the unfortunate while staying out of trouble with 'civilization'.

>>53662442
Like the CIA

What is a build in 3ed that looks ok at first glance but will have your GM and other players frustrated because your character is unlikely to be able to contribute any sort of effectiveness when it's time to add rollplaying to the roleplaying?

(In other words the character is built in such a way that the only way to succeed and pretty much anything would Be to have consistently godly luck in your dice rolls, but it doesn't look that way at first)

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How would you go about making this guy?

>>53663026
Minimal cyber, buff the fuck out of attributes and skills.

>>53662595
Nothing.

>>53663026
4e, Superficial Cybernetics - the equivalent to cyberlimbs, at 10% of the cost. One cyber right arm. Probably an adept, too.

>>53663026
7 Edge
AGI, STR and REA up to wazoo via aptitude.
Blades and Gymnastics to fuckoff high.

Technically unattainable at chargen if you want to be a strict mundane.

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>>53663026
I've been playing some oneshots with random guys on roll20 using the premade archetypes from the core rulebook.
One guy asked whether he could play this pdf.
Seemed somewhat minmaxed to me (I wasn't a fan of own characters in that oneshot campaign anyways, because there were people new to shadowrun, too – the guy settled on the gun adept archetype and everything was fine).
Made me think though: MGS Revengeance Characters in shadowrun would be pretty badass.
>inb4 the guy is also on /tg/ and reads this

>>53663026
Ranks in performance so you can be all MEMORIES BROKEN THE TRUTH GOES UNSPOKEN every combat round.

Though seriously, adept, buffed stats out the ass, maybe a touch of bioware and a cyber right arm

Is playing a drake worth it?

>>53663479
No.

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>>53663272
Nothing as in the abilities or drugs do nothing, or nothing as in the abilities and drugs work normal and nothing odd happens?

>>53663515
The attribute does not increase over the limit, but thew drug or magic still has any other effects.

>>53663026
How would you explain him having access to "buffed to restricted levels" sword?

>>53663556
Custom Item thats a 24R avail.
boom.

>>53663544
>any other effects

What does that mean?
So if it "increases attribute by x" then nothing happens?

>>53663417
Grats on making me actually laugh anon.

>>53663239
>>53663332
Huh... and here I was trying to bash together a wired reflexes cybered-up monster

>>53663595
Yes, so if a drug increases AGI and STR but your STR is at augmented maximum, you would only get the AGI boost (and whatever nasty comedown the drug has).

>>53663581
Which editions let you do that?

>>53663609
Jetstream Sam is famous for being the only enemy you fight who isn't much of a cyborg. Only his hand is cybernetic.

>>53663626
So is somebody is already crazy high in an attribute by default, you can poison them with a booster?

>>53663628
His cheating ass edition.

>>53663656
It doesn't harm them, unless the side effect is really bad.

>>53663646
Yeah I knew he wasn't at like Raiden or Monsoon level but I didn't know it was just his arm.

How should you approach making a street sam when the GM has set the stating points at two thirds the normal amount?

>>53663494
Why?

>>53663628
The 'Dm fiat' edition
Talk to your DM and you can get plenty of items that arent in the books if you make a good enough case.

>>53663770
Nocturne Elf
Exceptional Attribute (Agi)
Acrobatic Defender
Muscle Toner 2
Adept
Improved Physical Attribute (Agi) 2 ranks
Improved Combat Skill (Weapon) However many ranks you can afford
Done properly you can squeeze out 20-28 dice there relatively easily without super much cost.

>>53663906
How does this equal a character who looks solid, but in reality their chances of passing any important roll are hilariously bad?

>>53663656
Only if it already poisons them, or you give them multiple doses.

If you're going to give someone multiple doses of something, then you're already better off using Aisa (massive stun damage), or a three litre sized bag of P4M0. (30P unresisted)

>>53664051
>three litre sized bag
*actually fifteen litres

Each dose is 5 litres.

>>53664043
Thats...Not who they were replying to anon.

>>53663858
I need to do this.

I have a bad a habbit of cutting corners to make a character concept fit within the limits of chargen as written. Then ending up with a character that are t what I want and in some cases cannot become what I want them to at later levels either.

>>53664118
Oops.
You are right.

>>53664116
>>53664147
I find a lot of people don't actually think to ask the DM about adding something, when shadowrun is almost perfectly setup to add in your own weaponry from various companies or setups.

>Herding
>On a successful Close Combat Attack, the character deals no damage to his opponent. Instead, the character can move the opponent 1 meter per net hit in the direction of the character’s choosing, up to the Walking rate of the character or opponent, whichever is less.
Is there an adept power or spell that does anything like this? Moving targets, I mean. Other than levitate. I just want to find something that pushes things around without damage.

how do I take over a luxury apartment building without buying it?

My character conned their way into living with an upper middle class family and now they are trying to figure out how to control the place.

Basically get the landlords by the balls and make them more afraid of him than anything else without the family knowing because he likes the atmosphere and the food living with them provides.

I've always played heroes or dumb thugs before and don't really know how to manipulate people in ways that aren't overt and in the open.

>>53663906
Thanks.

I wonder what the others will come up with.

>>53656922

>I'm playing a drug addled edge monkey ex-prison hitman human supremacist and I still think this is edgy.

Tell me about your character, how they joined the party, and what the party has gotten up to so far.

>>53663906

Cool.
Any advice I could pass on to the other players so they don't just have copies of that or 1 character who can do stuff and 3 that die early?

>>53663358
They should have changed the name.

>>53664576
Tell everyone to invest in a fullbody suit with gel packs plus whatever other armor they want to wear.
Determine what kind of party its gonna be for lack of other words, You might only need one bangshooty god if you are going to find alternative solutions to as many problems as possible.
Trauma Slap Patches, Savior Medkits, Glue Sprayers, Tasers, Flashbangs. All useful things everyone should have some.

>>53659225
>Also, I did the math and my characters goal of "get into harvard" would cost something like 2.5 million Nuyen, Is that an even remotely achievable goal?

How long do you think this game will last and how high level do you think things will get too?

>>53664639
Done.

>>53664690
Commlink, Spare Commlink for when you lose your first commlink, Goggles/Glasses/Something with Image Link at the minimum so you can pass info on, Earbuds or Headphones so you can hear info, Taser or other holdout weapon so you aren't caught unarmed, Ammo and a lot of it so you can conserve it, Concealed holsters and a lot of them, Assorted knives and holsters to hold them, Clothes for high society clothes for casual encounters and ideally a spare change of clothes in general for when the rest are covered in blood, Armor of atleast 10 total (Grab a bodysuit if nothing else), Fake SIN, Fake lisences (Guns, Carry, driving, etc) to avoid some hassel, Duct Tape because its fucking ducttape, A couple flashbangs (You can always just drop them while running), a backpack/duffelbag to carry odds and ends that wont fit in your pockets, Hold-fast Adhesive Spray for sealing a door you really don't want to have opened, Slap Patches (Trauma at the very least), Docwagon contract to save your ass from bleeding to death in an alley, AR Gloves and a Biometric or similar lock for your commlink/s so you can do AR things and not have your commlink taken by the first nerd who sees it, Credstick or two with small amounts for buying food which you need to live.
this is the list of shit i gave to the new player in my group.

>>53659225
So is he he sinless or a sinner because don't you need a SIN to go to an Ivy League school?

>>53664715
I don't think we can afford a lot of that starting off.

What should we prioritize?

>>53664753
Duct tape, Atleast one flashbang, Atleast one stun weapon, Commlink, Trauma Slap Patches, a set of clothes and a spare set of clothes, Backpack/Duffelbag, 40-60 creds on a stick for food and other small items, And few knives would be the most important probably.
Flashbangs are great, you can drop them while running without needing to roll for it unless the DM is mean and it'll help a lot with losing pursuers.
Duct tape has a million and one uses and is fuckin duct tape.
A taser is the kind of weapon you can take almost anywhere without overmuch complaint, And is handy for taking someone out before they can scream without making a shitton of noise.
Knives are cheap and also quite useful, Probably almost as many uses for a knife as duct tape.
The rest is more or less just ideas for what to spend some nuyen on.

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>>53651990
Alright, based on where you're at (and assuming standard 750 karmagen), you've got 207 karma and about 80 grand left to spend.

You're definitely under performing or mediocre in about everything that you're trying to do. I would keep skills in groups if possible as they will serve you better than going a la carte. I'd break them when you hit 4 or so.

I'd lose the dermal sheath/bone lacing unless it's part of your story, as the cost benefit isn't there for the protection you get. Get reaction enhancers for a higher pool in your driving skills. Get muscle augmentation+toner for better stat bumps to help with skills.

Put points in dodge and perception (I don't know why you don't have them). Do contacts instead of glasses with the image/smart link and flare compensation, save the glasses for vision enhancement/magnification. Save the money you spent on the car and have that worked out with your GM as a plot goal since you're starting with it impounded.

I could go on to the gear, but whatever floats your boat.

>>53664543
His parents were corporate, and he found all of his siblings annoying, so he went full thrill-seeker and cut all ties. Became a drug smuggler because it allowed him to travel from Seattle to Hong Kong and the rides there were always awesome. Got hooked on the craziest drug he could reliably get his hands on. Got a 60 year sentence due to a shopping list of charges, and was put in, sure he was never going to see the light of day again.

While in prison, he sort of fell into the whole metahuman gang mentality of "Us versus Them," where even though he didn't have any ill will towards metas, the hardcore hate groups offered great protection. So he put up a facade. Turns out though, prison hate groups require you to shed blood to get protection, so he did. Made friends with the human guards and got a couple of extensions to his sentence. After 9 years in prison fighting orcs and trolls every other day, he started to truly believe the human supremacist rhetoric. Out of the blue, his well connected little brother who's the fixer of the campaign I'm currently running pulls some strings to get him out of prison, but then leaves him to his own devices.

He's got Ex-Con, Criminal SIN, Kamikaze addiction, Prejudice Metahumans, the whole nine yards. Lucky for me, the whole party is humans, so I don't have to deal with the race issue. I play him as a wise beyond his years realist. He joined the party as a recommendation because they thought he was just another hired gun, but he's really a jack-of-all trade, surprising most of the people that he works with. Despite his background and disposition, he's seen as one of the voices of reason in the party - the other one being an Orthodox Christian priest. He also handles dealing with more unsavory low-lifes in manners that they understand.

What damage would be used for a stun baton out of charges?

>>53664945
same as a club.

>>53664923

Can you do that again but adjusting for the following:

- It’s a 350 BP build not a standard 750 karmagen

- Already got the mobile home back from impound.

We are 3 sessions in and hopefully coming off a hiatus late this month or sometime next month.

I'd like to talk to the GM about trying to do a rebuild for my character and have something ready for him to look at several days to a week before we start up again.

This is the first and so far only shadowrun character I've made.

>>53664923

bone lacing was just something I got because I thought if made sense that someone in his past line of work would have it, but if other forms of armor would make more sense then I have no reason to keep it.

>>53665057
>>53665085
I'll cook something up.

>>53650637
Hey Yekka, I'm trying to work with the new Aspect ed magician types (specifically explorer) and it doesn't seem to be implemented at all. Yes, they show up at prio C magic, but don't give the correct extra skills (amount or ranks), and still asks for a selection of type of magic.

>>53665320
thank you. I've been having a lot of trouble finding advice on how to combine combat and driver/rigger in 4th edition. especially on a budget.

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>>53665368
Yeah, I'm going to take another crack at them when I get home.
>>53658455
Infected essence is stupid and weird, I'm probably going to have to implement something special for them to work the way they're supposed to.

People actually use life modules? Dear lord.
>>53654679
REA should show as 6(5) or whatever, since the encumbrance doesn't apply a hit to the maximum.

>>53664944

how does he cope with the Kamikaze addiction?

>>53665567
Strangles hookers, I'd imagine.

>>53658146
>intimidating other players with violence if they don't do as you say
>picking asshole: the spirit as your mentor

>>53666549
Its pretty simple to play around though.
Say you agree then just do something else.

>>53666658
Or (get this) you just (prepare for mind blown) ... don't disagree strongly.

>Whenever someone strongly disagrees with you (gamemaster’s discretion)

Remain calm, cool, and collected when speaking with Asshole mentees.

>>53666831
That works too, though you have to be careful since its a fine line.

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>>53665422
First one using 350BP. I made up for some of your augs with gear. This will let you be very competitive with meatspace driving and have some all around usefulness as well.

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>>53665422
>>53667113
This one is done on 650 Karma. Which your GM should allow as it is under the conversion even with the starting handicap, by 25 points. This gets you much better stats and skills, and you still have a decent chunk of change for getting a better lifestyle and or for augs or bumping that INT score in the future.

I also munchkin'd the gear on these a bit in order to get around the dermal sheath aug. With these, you aren't min/maxed so much in stats as you are with gear.

>>53667113
>>53667147

Thank you very much.
I'm going to take a closer look at these after I get some sleep.

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>>53667201
lol, I need to as well. I'll poke around tomorrow if you want to spitball different ideas around.

Can someone explain to me how custom drugs work?

These tables don't add up.

>>53666843
It's only a fine line if you push over into strongly disagreeing.

>>53663772
Basically, it requires large amounts of DM fiat or generosity to get off the ground. Either you take the Latent for cheap and then get the features for expensive (and also are relying on the GM to tell you when you first change) or you have to accept how much of your starting karma the GM is willing to let you keep to start with the full Drake quality.

And you don't get to change until you pay off what you owe, which is probably going to be a few sessions minimum outside of karma builds.

And even then, karma builds probably have better to spend stuff on.

>>53667731
>These tables don't add up.
What do you mean?

>>53667935
>The high Karma cost for this quality need not be paid completely during character generation, but the balance must be paid with earned Karma during the campaign before the character is able to shift into dracoform for the first time.
Nothing there says the balance cannot be Chargen:0, In-game: 75. If the GM is getting in the way of that, they're house ruling it.

>And you don't get to change until you pay off what you owe
You *do* have access to the awesome Draconic tradition. Even if you never pay off the Drake quality, that's worth the price of access ... a quality you might pay off at some point.

>>53668109
Like I said, though, that's basically GM generosity. Although letting 0 go is, to my read of the wording of Drake, definite fiat territory.

Although that tradition does offer power, again. The worth is all about how little the GM is willing to let you pay.

>>53668109
Just a nitpick, but if you're only paying 0 karma, you don't actually have the quality.

I'd need you to put down at least 1 point of Karma on it.

>>53668060
The custom drug cost addiction rating and addiction threshold are both unfinished and completely fucked up.

They have asterisks in place of numbers and the example they give doesn't match at all.

>>53668319
Since you don't get any benefit for the Drake quality if you pay 0 karma but still suffer from the Wanted negative quality, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to pay 0 karma for it. You're effectively accepting a -10 negative quality until you can pay 75 karma to remove it. That's a really bad trade.

>>53668445
You actually can't buy it off (and get no karma for Wanted).

If you're unaligned, lots of dragons will be interested in making you aligned.

If you serve, well, your master's enemies still probably want your head or to try forcing a conversion, or even just reagents from you.

So you'll probably have that until everyone has far more pressing and less negotiable matters to deal with.

>>53668445
>Don't get any benefit from the Drake quality
>You *do* have access to the awesome Draconic tradition. Even if you never pay off the Drake quality, that's worth the price of access ... a quality you might pay off at some point.

Pick. One.

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>>53668345
The logic seems to be this:
Block Level 1 +0 Addiction Threshold
Block Level 2 +1 Addiction Threshold
Block Level 3 +2 Addiction Threshold

1 Block +0 Addiction Rating
2 Blocks +1 Addiction Rating
3 Blocks +2 Addiction Rating

>>53639954
Submerge, blow karma on +1 res, buy ware, put machine sprites in it.

At 6 res with your sprites you're a upper mid range decker and cybercombat monster, anyways.

How do I teach my players common sense without giving them the quality?

>>53668595
You don't teach common sense through anything but pain and failure.

>>53668568
So say I got a machine Sprite to put Diagnostics into my own Wired Reflexes (run wireless on with Reaction Enhancers). Would I then add the bonus from Diagnostics to both the Initiative bonus and Reaction attribute bonus?

>>53668624
Ask your DM, i really can't say.

>>53668632
Will do, because rules as written this turns Technomancers into some kind of Technoadept that can run rings around everyone else.

>>53668643
One of the many reasons Technomancers and their fuckery are bullshit that should never have been introduced into the game.

>>53668643
Machine sprites and ware can very regularly make the techno the most competent party member.

>>53668624
Given the wording as a Teamwork Test, the closest reading would give you the dice and limit bonus to any die pools that rolled using Reaction or Initiative, up to your skill or higher attribute if you're rolling two attributes.

A more permissive reading would let you get the dice bonus or the initiative bonus as though you'd been Rallied.

>>53668624
>each hit adds 1 die to the character’s dice pool to use or repair the item
Seems unlikely, since the reaction attribute bonus isn't a dicepool and +1 init die per hit on a teamwork test would be fucking insane.
Your DM might throw you a bone in the interests of making technos a little less shit though, so give it a try.

>>53668643
>>53668665
Also wanting to correct myself here. >>53668674

A close reading only gives you the bonus to (likely) reaction linked tests and skills. If the GM says Initiative is also an attribute, then you get the dice bonus in any Initiative+other attribute or skill tests.

This would exclude the Initiative test that gives you your initiative score for the turn because the Initiative Dice aren't an attribute or skill, and so a Teamwork Test can't help.

If the GM's being lenient, then they might let you use the Teamwork test of Diagnostics the same as a Rally from a Leadership test. Which is still nice, but far less powerful.

So you're probably not a Technoadept unless you spam your abilities, but it might give you a few extra defense dice. And it's still less OP than summoning.

>>53668785
All seems pretty cool.

Does anyone else have any good Technomancer combos they can think of? I've already read the forum post that is linked here every time someone mentions them.

>>53668866
If you're already most of the way to being an Elf Technomancer Assassin, consider getting Profiler and whistling up a sprite that can help with your Matrix Search. It won't make you a good face, but you already had Cha 8, so you might as well get a little extra out of it for not a whole lot of loss.

If you don't want to petnomance, be on a team with a decker or AI. Both have a love for Cleaner, and other forms besides.

Just either get skinlink or a datajack so that you can directly connect and ignore noise penalties even more.

If you get a cyberarm, make sure to put a rating 5 sensor or sensor array. Do an active Sensor attack while under Diagnostics (remember, metahumans give a -3) and hope for a good roll.

>>53636023

Would Infinity work as the basis system for a Shadowrun miniature comvat game?

Does escape death work in all situations?

>>53668906
>If you don't want to petnomance

Then don't play technomancer. That's basically their entire shtick. Maybe ask the GM for something (like extra... what are they called? Submersions?) for putting a harder limit on your sprite spam to get your concept that doesn't involve pets online faster.

>>53668998
With the fading decrease, it's just barely possible to get around using your powers. Other than the bits that aren't quite covered and the bits that are arguable.

So given the questions, if the GM's not willing to be exploratory or has some very strict readings of things, you're probably going to be support, unless you also have lots of edge. But you may want that anyway just because you're so much more fragile than a decker and/or you're abusing Puppeteer shamelessly.

And even with the fading changes, that one's still a hefty pill to swallow if you're breaking through the limits.

>>53668319
>Just a nitpick, but if you're only paying 0 karma, you don't actually have the quality.
Not a nitpick. If anything, you might call that a quibble, and a misplaced one.

You have accepted a 75 karma debt, and have also chosen the Draconic tradition - something you could only do after accepting that debt.

>>53668472
>If you serve, well, your master's enemies still probably want [...] even just reagents from you.
Dragons and drakes have been seriously fucking up anyone even vaguely related to the trade of draconic reagents, and very effectively, too. Anyone left over in the business is very cautious, very well protected, and not making themselves well known.

>>53654608
>>grants 2 dice
Only for _a specific type of use_.

I would only ever take specialisation in the primary weapon, because most of the time you're not going to get the 2 dice when doing anything else.

By buying specs, you're willingly limiting yourself.

>>53669255
Why are dragons so assmad about their scales and shit being traded? Get over it you fucking thin-scaled pansy.

>>53669298
Maybe because the more that gets known about dragons and dracoforms, the more likely it is some clever monkey is going to find a way to develop something to fuck dragons up with.

>>53659225
Why would someone named Schröder be speaking Spanish natively?

>>53669347
Austrians used to rule Spain, you know.

>>53663906
Why go 2x IPA instead of ability boost for at least one point? IPA is hilariously inefficient, costs 4x the amount of Attribute Boost (and you're very likely to at least get one hit)

>>53669298
The more samples of dragons that are out there, the more we can learn about manipulating their genes. Draconic geneware to level the playing field? Maybe a nice bioweapon to eradicate them?

>>53669298
It usually involves killing or stealing from a dragon.

>>53669360
How's that relevant in the 2070's?

>>53669298
Ritual links. You get the dna of a dragon and you can target it with spells from the other side of the planet.

There's also the risk that someone will learn how to clone a dragon, or manufacture drakes.

Also a lot of dangerous magical stuff can be made using dragon reagents. These could be used to speed up the return of magic, and risk bridging the chasm to the Horror's even faster.

In short, dragons have very good reasons to stop the sale of dragon-parts.

>>53669425
Surnames get passed on from generation to generation.

>>53669787
But German surnames were never a thing in sbane.

>>53669970
There are German surnames there now, why wouldn't there be any in 2070?

>>53669992
No there aren't.

>>53669997
You got the citizen listings for all of Spain, nigger? Stop being a dumbass.

>>53670053
Yes, I do.

Not a single Schröder.

>>53670076
what's to say that this won't change?

>>53670076
Your lies do not become you.

>>53669347
Game takes place in Miami and the guy is a local.

>>53670209
Germans did emigrate to the old US post WW2, it's not impossible that they intermarried with local latino populations.

Or maybe he has Argentinian immigrants in his ancestry.

Or maybe he was fuckin' adopted or is using a fake identity? What's it to you anyhow?

>>53663695
>>53663628
>>53663858
Or the player could just take the Restricted Gear quality from Run Faster, which lets you have one item at up to 24 availability at chargen.

>>53666549
>>53666831
I have this alternate plan where if someone tries to murder me every time they "strongly disagree" I'm going to kill them in self-defense.

>>53671120
Anon, Prime Runners can still take Restricted Gear.

>>53671280
Yeah, sorry, I redacted because I reacted. Kind of salty, no excuse for that behavior.

>>53637705
BTL dealer.
Ramblin' rickey needs to feed his explosive habits somehow.

>>53671308
It's okay, people have bad days.

>>53637705
Probably a reporter or freelance journalist.
She already runs a few underground news sites and is part of a datahaven, and the main reason she runs is to get access to sensitive corp data relatively frequently with a team to back her up.

>>53671308
The shadows is no place for introspection, rookie.

>>53671308
>when you take Berserker as a mentor spirit but also take pacifist

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>>53671315
So basically be Lenny from Strange Days?

>Spend a large part of a session being detained at the border for being incredibly suspicious despite our paperwork being good
>RP a relatively drawn out interrogation sequence before convincing border control we aren't terrorists (helped that we have two pretty good social people in our group)
Damn that was a lot of fun, despite the main progress we made in the session was crossing a border and doing light recon on the target.

>>53671536
I'm jealous. My crew are a bunch of meatheads, metasapients, and autists. I'm the fucking decker and I have the only respectable Cha and Etiquette & Negotiation in the bunch. We'd never get through that shit without someone losing their patience and opening fire on the checkpoint.

>>53667201
>>53667147
Base stats are showing incorrect due to me forgetting to unequip some of the clothes. AGI and related skills should be 2 points higher.

>>53671707
Basically what happened is we were trying to get through to an incredibly rich and gated community which had it's own security company and an equivalent of a border crossing, and while we had forged residence passes (with proper biometrics and everything) but our ride was incredibly out of place (a GMC bulldog) and our motley crew of a pixie, two humans, a dwarf, and an elf in a trenchcoat didn't really fit in with the native population.
The guard asked if we were new arrivals since he definitely would have remembered us before, and the Pixie slipped up by mentioning we were "hired on contractors" despite our paperwork saying we were residents (and the scanner rolled 5 hits against our fake IDs), so we got sent aside for screening.
At which point we got sent into an interrogation room where I (social decker) and our face managed to make a big lie about how we were "Home Improvement Specialists" who "Worked to purchase real estate and improve it's value and provide a superior living space to our clients" ie houseflippers. With a couple of lucky con rolls and memory tests for some of the data on our passes (where we lived) and an explanation as for why all of us were living in the same house ("Our motto is: We wouldn't sell you a home we ourselves wouldn't want to live in.") we managed to get through.
It helped that we were all pretty polite to the interrogator, who seemed to be LARPing as a detective, complete with the brown pants, cup of coffee, jacket over the chair, and a leather shoulder holster.

>>53671860
That sounds like some fast thinking. If it went as smooth as you suggest I'd give bonus karma for coming up with such a plausible cover story, despite the initial screw-up.

>>53671953
A decent amount of it was due to some edge use on our faces part and good memory tests (to both remember where our passes said we lived, and see if we could remember a prominent family who lived on the island to list as our sponsor for residence)
And as it turns out, a shadowrunning group actually has a decent set of overlapping skills with home improvement.
>Our pixie rigger handles drones installing plumbing, cleaning, painting, etc
>The biosam dwarf handles all the heavy lifting
>The sneeki breeki elf does most of the roofwork
>The decker handles matrix infrastructure
>The face handles project management (helps that he is literally a generic Japanese salaryman)

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>>53664400
Seduce the landlord's daughter, get him to give you control over the building so his daughter isn't dating an obvious criminal/bum.

>>53671377
>Berserker Mentor Spirit + Pacifist 2 + Assorted berserk and adrenaline pump objects
>AGGRESSIVE APOLOGIZING

>>53664400
Have the decker rewrite the landlords will to leave the building to the family you live with.
Then geek him

>>53672182
Sounds like a former UCAS Mountie, eh?

>>53671391
There are way worse things to be.

>>53672261
Well, yeah, you could be Philo.

>>53672274
They're kind of equal in the fashion sense department.

>>53672308
I wouldn't call shagging Faith 'fashion'.

>>53672346
She's probably a great lay but man she's crazy.

I based a PC on her.

>one guy with fame+corp sin
>second guy with fame
how do i make their life a living nightmare

>>53672490
groupies
nothing more, just give them annoying groupies

>>53672490
...Which corp?

>>53672490
They have to play a concert.
I don't care if they aren't famous for being musicians.

>>53672490
Constantly stalked by paparazzi. Eventually, have an assassin hunt them down by following said paparazzi.

>>53672541
horizon

>>53672490
Paparazzi, teenage fans, and File On Record.

>>53672565
Fans. Legions of fans. People recognizing them on the street when they're doing legwork. Asking for autographs during a run.

Kamikaze groupie assassins.

>>53672565
Horizon the same corp that fronted as being AI/metasapient friendly and then fucked both over by demanding they be registered?

>>53668539
If that is the case, the drugs are not worth it.

>>53672615
I thought that was Evo?

>>53672814
Might've been, but I think Evo's still the refugee corp for homeless AIs. I'll have to re-read a bunch of Jackpoint stuff.

>>53672558
Actually used a concert as a cover for my team to infiltrate. Called in a few bands, had someone set up an attack, and let the team work while we put on a show.

Worked out pretty well.

>>53672490
The guard actually knows them, He won't snitch but only for an autograph.

>>53672814
No, that's horizon. Evo is also inclusive, but mostly focus on transhumanism.

>>53673590
They're so open they even offer SIN's to Headcases (if they prove useful).

I can't figure out if they genuinely accept all sentients, or there is some kind of evil plot behind their openness.

What's a good way to find a game online? roll20 randos, game finder or someplace else? I've played several times but none of them last very long. Honestly, at this point I'd settle for an old-fashioned foodfight oneshot.

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I have a player who is using two weapons (with the martial art) to attack with both at the same time. I've already added the reach, and DV from that.

He says, it should be 12P (combat knife) + 13P (other combat knife) which makes sense to me. RAW is pretty ambiguous, and only mentions the +1DV to the "longer weapon"
I'm thinking split the dice-pool like a normal double attack.

Am I retarded?

>>53673722
The online communities are a good place to start if any game will do.
>/r/runnerhub
>/r/shadownet
You may decide later they aren't for you, but it'll at least get you some games to play while you find something that suits you more.

>>53673803
Okay, I'm not THAT desperate. I'd really rather not deal with reddit. I guess I'll wait for a game to pop up.

>>53673758
The two-handed weapon style is meant to be used with a 1 reach weapon and a 0 reach weapon, like a sword and a knife. You lose the reach bonus of the sword but gain 1 accuracy and +1dv instead. Two combat knives doesn't work properly. I think the long fineblade in RG has a reach of 1. Use that paired with the combat knife of your choice and it'll work mechanically.

If both knives have a reach of 0, it's fucked. Though you can use the rule that if you have two 0 reach weapons and you're attacking, you increase the reach to 1.

>>53673880
I know that. I just fluffed it that one of the combat knives was the short one, and one the long one.

>>53673627
I mean, it's not like any of those differences will mater once we <insert transhumanism here>

>>53673758
>Two-weapon style combat treats both weapons as one.
You roll it as a single attack using the reach of the shorter weapon and 1+ the Accuracy & DV of the longer weapon.

>>53673758
You treat the two weapons as one. As in, you get one attack with the shorter of the two reach, and +1 Damage and Accuracy of the longer weapon.

He only gets the 13p, not 12 and 13.

So, yeah. Considering you managed to miss that whole 'treated as ONE weapon', you're retarded.

So, my local group is biting at the bit to play some Shadowrun. Is there a recommended edition to play or is any one workable. They have a hesitant knowledge of how to play Pathfinder (which was the only thing we had on hand when we started playing)

>>53674228
5th is the best edition.

>>53674228
5th edition is the one most people are playing, so you're more likely to get questions answered.

How much of the core rulebook do I need to read to get a grasp of the rules?

>>53674664
You should read all the rules that apply to everyone, plus whatever rules apply to your character archetype. Unless you want to gm, at which point you have to read eveyrthing.

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>>53674664

Anyone here have experience playing Earthdawn?

If so, any tips for running it? Is there anything Food Fight-like for it so I can dip my toes in it?

What's the difference between simple action full auto and complex action full auto?

>>53675218
6 bullets vs. 10 bullets.

>>53675218
Simple full auto fires 7 shots and inflicts a -5 defense penalty. Complex fires 10 against a -9 defense penalty

>>53675218
Fire options are like this:
>SS Simple: fire 1 bullet
>SA Simple: fire 1 bullet
>SA Complex: fire 3 bullets, -2 to defender dice pool
>BF Simple: fire 3 bullets, -2 to defender dice pool
>BF Complex: fire 6 bullets, -5 to defender dice pool
>FA Simple: fire 6 bullets, -5 to defender dice pool
>FA Complex: fire 10 bullets, -9 to defender dice pool
Basically, each tier jump (SA->BF, BF->FA) turns the previous complex bullet amount into simple, and adds a new complex bullet amount.

>>53673312
The autograph is later sold on eBay and used to frame him for some crime or something, like killing a little girl or a politician people genuinely like