Anyone read this? It sounds like there's some new lore shit

Finished it yesterday.

Decent read. Not the best nor the worst. Sets the stage for the new era and helps retcon some of the current issues with storyline moving forward.

Brings up some avenues for tension like that Cawl is not well liked by the mechanicus as he is a heretek in all but name as well as being power hungry, some of the old guard of SM are not so keen on the NuMarines, lots of political upheaval due to Bobby G's sweeping changes including reworking the Codex that inadvertently hampered the Imperium's functions for so long, etc.

You get some Primaris wank during any chapter that has them in it but the rest is fairly solid with good characterisation for Robot as well as some nurgle daemons.

Seeded a bunch of stuff for future changes (possible traitor Primaris, etc). Not a long read so worth it if you want to get kind of a preview for AoG

>>53626121
Well the Mechanicus are fucking shit. They should just put Cawl in charge.

>>53626218

The Admech is a bureaucracy like all the others, and their most important function is to service the Imperium with war machines. Cawl is in an advantageous place where he can get his designs rubber stamped and run through production lines without dealing with the red tape or the bickering or the political assassinations. Of course this means Cawl stands out, but Cawl has seen 10k years of bullshit so he obviously gives no fucks.

As to Cawl being power hungry, why wouldn't he? In Cawl do we see an aspect of Guilliman - a soul who knows full well that things aren't being run right and would be better off under his leadership, but is nevertheless mindful of the power he wields. Cawl is on the precipice of Dark Admech heresy, but there he stands still on the edge.

>>53625126
Literally finished it an hour ago. It has some pretty good parts. I like what they're doing with Guilliman's character.

Give the fluff peeps who have read this

>>53626410
>mfw Gulliman exposed the Turk as a kid

>>53627330
>its been 112 years since the indomitus crusade was called
>its over now, the crusade fleet has broken up in an echo of the triumph of ullanor (Guilliman specifically says he's aping the pagentry)
>the indomitus forces are being split up to better cover the Imperium because while the crusade is kicking ass theres a million more fronts going to shit
>primaris marines were split into either the ultima founding, where they were sent to make new chapters or reinforce old ones, and the greyshields
>greyshields are the primaris marines kept with the crusade. They operate as pseudo-legions with chapters consisting of multiple descendents (sons of dorn fighting alongside sons of khan etc)
>Guilliman had them do this because he thought it would go some way to combating a potential heresy 2.0, saying the heresy was caused in part by mistrust between the legions
>Guilliman is growing more bitter and cynical as the years drag on. His belief that the Emperor isnt a god has been shaken to the point he dismisses the Imperial Truth
>He also hates daddy, believing the Emperor saw his sons as nothing but tools and while he loved mankind he was incapable of loving individuals, whether they be men or primarch

Theres some

>>53627459
>Guilliman's methods and decisions arent popular with everyone.
>After realizing that there isnt a coherent, detailed history of the Imperium he wanted to have information gathered to create one
>Puritan Inquisitors refused, so Guilliman made a group called the Historitors that are commando librarians tasked with finding the lost history, recording it and bringing it back from whatever forgotten temples and vaults they're hidden in
>The Mechanicus are chaffing under Cawl while Cawl is demanding to be made Fabricator General. Guilliman refuses because Cawl being appointed to that role would cause a schism
>Imperial nobles and governors are torn. The lazy, predatory tyrants are worried and are trying to resist Guillimans reforms
>The biggest example in the book is Guilliman's plans to reunite the 500 worlds of Ultramar. He ordered it a century ago and its still struggle to occur as nobles who dont want to lose any power resist him
>Guilliman tells them all to go to hell and re-instates the Tetrach system. He splits Ultramar into 5 segments naming Agemenon from the Ultramarines, a Novamarine, a Doom Eagle and Felix (a primaris ultramarine) as his tentrachs to rule over 4 of the segments
>Calgar as lord defender rules the 5th, central segment
And theres some more.

>>53627500
IMO historitors are the coolest thing to come out of all this, I would totally make an army flavored after them

>>53627500
>Guilliman finds the Ecclesiarchy to be troublesome. Not because of their belief in Emps as a God, he finds that annoying but not dealbreaking, but because the leaders are either pompous dicks living in lavish palaces or fanatics who cant be in his presence without masturbating to completion
>But they're necessary if he plans to bring the Imperium back from the brink, so he appoints a Militant Priest representative guy to act as a link between him and them
>Space Wolves have an official successor now, Wolfsbane or something like that, they're mentioned in a single sentence in the middle of the book. They're a primaris chapter
>Geneseed for primaris marines is stable as fuck, no sign of serious mutations according to Cawl
>Cawl also wants to use traitor geneseed to make more Primaris marines. Guilliman refuses.
>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.
>Custodes have gotten off their asses and stopped mourning but now they've gone too far the opposite way and are now full of rage over how much the Imperium suffered due to them sitting around crying
>Emperor can talk telepathically. He talked to Guilliman. Their conversation is why Guilliman's view of the Emperor has changed. Big E is a dick even after 10k years.

This is all out of order btw. Just posting shit off the top of my head as I remember it.

>>53626218

Fuck you mate. Read the damn lore instead of just partoting memes, the admech are doing the best they can in a mad unI verse and the imperium would be long gone if it wasn't for them.

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>>53627588
No they really are full of crap. If they just copied Tau tech and gave every guard regiment cheap plasma guns and railguns everything would be fine and dandy right now.

Robby G has a hardon for hating how the current mechanicus is. He hates them and the ecclesiarchy almost equally because they reduced science and engineering to religious bs.

>>53627588
Nope, the admech books calls them a shit who are causing the decline of Imperial tech to ruin.

Cawl is the best way for the future.

>>53627582
And now we get to Cawl's myriad tech heresies
>The Cawl Inferior (TCI), is a machine that Cawl made so he and Guilliman can talk in secret without messages being intercepted
>its essentially a psychic AI thing. Cawl sends encoded messages that are half complete and TCI fills in the gaps with the missing information that Cawl 'programmed' into the TCI
>Cawl has his own which I assume is called The Guilliman Inferior (or TGI)
>The TCI is pretty much Cawl in personality and reactions
>Cawl (or more specifically TCI) says it not an abominable intelligence, that its just extremely good programming
>Guilliman thinks he's lying out of his ass
>Its powered by warp stuff and severed heads.
>He calls the other magos backwards and afraid of innovation, despises all of them and believes he's the only one that can save the Imperium
>Cawl has no problem admitting necron and old one tech is superior to anything the Imperium has
>He's studying and stealing it to create Imperial pylons to close off the giant chaos crack
>Cawl redesigned the bridge of the Macragge's Honor to be more efficient. This act also caused yet another schism with the more orthodox priests
>Cawl refuses to tell Guilliman what he's doing or where he is, its been over a decade since they last saw each other
>Cawl is probably looting Trazyn's collection as we speak

>>53627582
>>Guilliman finds the Ecclesiarchy to be troublesome. Not because of their belief in Emps as a God, he finds that annoying but not dealbreaking, but because the leaders are either pompous dicks living in lavish palaces or fanatics who cant be in his presence without masturbating to completion

>Good morning everyone, thank you for coming this strategic mee...
>OH HOLY EMPRAH, IT'S GUILLIMAN!!!
>Yeah I know could we... OH FOR FATHER SAKE STOP MASTURBATING ON MY LOGISTIC REPORT!!

Do anyone have the epub or mobi available?

>>53627659
And Ultramar isnt doing too crash hot
>Death Guard are invading
>Espandoria, Iax and Macragge are the three worlds focused on the most
>Espandoria has been holding on but barely. Due to how much the Imperium has gone to shit its just the guard holding the line
>Titans, space marines etc are all busy elsewhere
>The dead march endlessly across seas of mud to attack exhausted, nearly broken guardsmen in their trenches
>think the somme but with zombies
>but they're not the worst part, its when the Death Guard show up
>The squad thats the focus manage to survive, but the two main guard characters, Varens and Bolus, arent in good shape. Varens is wounded by what he assumes is a death guard bolt shell while Bolus has lost his mind due to the trauma of what he experienced
>The pair are sent to Iax, which has been transformed into a hospital world
>Due to the guardsmen in Ultramar being stretched thin Guilliman has decreed that any troopers that can be healed of sickness or wounds should be, instead of just left to die like usual
>Iax is where these poor bastards are sent
>Its a giant fucking operation but I wont go into details
>Varrens spends several chapters recovering here and reminiscing about the war while Bolus is institutionalized.
More next post

>>53625126

OP is just mad his army's about to get crushed by GW's upcoming 3 foot long Overlord transport model.

>>53625126
Now imagine having to write something like that.

>>53626218
why

Cawl is a loose glass bull made out of cannons in a glass china shop-house. There is so much questionable shit going on that he doesn't tell people that it's completely understandable that no one trusts him.

>>53627836
Dude, everything is well within """"acceptable"""" """"parameters"""".

Trust.

>>53627788
>Things start to get weird on Iax as another surviving guardsman from another world encounters Varrens
>He's a survivor of the death guard as well, but he didnt kill any of them, they just vanished suddenly after attacking and killing several of his men
>Varrens realizes that his unit only killed one traitor when Bolus lasgunned his head open (The traitor then collapsed on Bolus and almost suffocated him under mud and filth, this is what broke Bolus). The others vanished as well
>turns on Varrens, Bolus and 5 other survivors who experienced death guard attacks were left alive to act as a sacrifice
>They were marked by the death guard, left alive to go to Iax, then when all 7 were on the planet they would be drawn to a swamp and die from the nurgle blessed insects they had incubated and carried to Iax
>This causes portal to the warp to open and let a force of nurgle demons onto Iax. Iax is lost to the demons
>Macragge (and other worlds) are being lured into rebellion by chaos agitators and promises of a future free of pain
>Its getting so bad that Calgar shows up at one hostage situation to curbstomp the fuckers himself
>said fuckers are a boyscout troop led into rebellion by their troop leader.
>Calgar sends in a bunch of terminators to kill the troop leader because fuck subtlety
>he considers killing the kids as well but he wants to be seen as merciful by the public and so the kids are going to be tried, sent to penal battalions, made into servitors etc.

>>53627875
>Calgar sends in a bunch of terminators to kill the troop leader because fuck subtlety
Can I just say calgar is probably the most interesting part of the book for me. I hope they don't kill him off and replace him with primaris™ sicarius.

>>53627875
>it has been 112 years since the indomitus crusade
>calgar is already fed up with this shit since day one
Based Papa Smurf.

>>53625126
Anybody have an epub/mobi/pdf of it, or know where one is/will be?

>>53627582
>>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.
That's a creative way to get out of officially declaring that we're in M42.

>>53627875
>Mortarion is behind it all
>He's doing warp fuckery with these weird machines that are part xenotech, part chaossorcery
>Its all the Eldar's fault because the xenotech is theirs
>Said warp fuckery causes the barrier between the warp and realspace to be thin and break in some places, not only letting demons in easily but also causing regular people to lose their minds and go full chaos
>They're weird clock things.
>Oh and also Mortarion has his foster dads soul in a jar and he tortures it to make himself feel better
>he spend a thousand years chasing it down in the warp because he apparently had nothing better to do
>Typhus says that Mortarions plan to draw Guilliman out by doing this to Ultramar is retarded and will just fail because he's just giving the space marine equivalent of batman time to prepare
>Mortarion sees no problem whatsoever and ignores Typhus' reasonable concerns
> Guilliman returns to Ultramar with crusade forces to relieve it
>He starts by reconquering Espandoria and killing a giant plague demon dragon
>the book ends after Espandoria is reclaimed and Guilliman prepares to strike at Mortarion and either kill him or force him out

>>53627582
>>Custodes have gotten off their asses and stopped mourning but now they've gone too far the opposite way and are now full of rage over how much the Imperium suffered due to them sitting around crying
Wait, what were they in mourning about? The Emperor being on the Throne?

>>53627962
Yeah the Custodes have been all emo since Big E got his ass kicked because they blame themselves. Thats why they never leave the palace until Imperial Regent G-man tells them to suck it up

>>53627459
>>He also hates daddy, believing the Emperor saw his sons as nothing but tools and while he loved mankind he was incapable of loving individuals, whether they be men or primarch

I will forever despise Black Library for pushing this view of the Emperor so hard that it is now the general accepted canon. Fuck that shit with a rusty pole, it completely kills any aspect of tragedy.

>>53627967
Weren't there occasional stories about the Custodes leaving the palace in smallish groups so they can break back in and test its defenses though?

>>53627972
This is just Guilliman's perspective based on one conversation with a barely alive Emperor who has spent 10k years in constant pain. It could be wrong. Emperor might have loved them back then, but whats left of the Emperor these days does not.

>>53627985
I think that was pre-heresy. Could be wrong.

>>53627972
It makes sense though do you really think a man who truly loved the common man and his sons would let something like the Horus Heresy happen?

>>53628017
Well the Heresy did happen because he was too focused on the big picture instead of paying attention to what's happening around him.

>>53627582
>>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.

I find that to be a pretty neat (and much-needed) way to sensibly retcon the date of events. The Imperial dating system has been said to account for galactic distances and time-Warping shenanigans, but it also makes sense for that system to utterly fail due to the Imperium's nightmarish, archaic bureaucracy.

Besides the sheer amount of events that has been shoved into 999.M41, consider how long some of the races have been at play:


>745.M41 - Destruction of Hive Fleet Behemoth, the first major conflict with Tyranids (besides Genestealer cults)

>742.M41 - Damocles Crusade, the first major conflict with Tau

>>53627459

Wait, there's a fucking 112 year time skip? That would mean we are not in the 41st Millennium anymore

>>53628061
Nobody fucking knows if they are even in the 41st millenium because of fucked time keeping.

>>53628017
>let something like the Horus Heresy happen
He didn't "let" it happen, Horus rebelling caught him completely off guard.

Thing is, the guys writing the newer books don't give a fuck about that. As evidenced by loopy goldstein, they've taken an almost perverse pleasure in completely ignoring and circumventing the work of those who came before them.

>>53628061

Guilliam guesses it is somewhere between the 41st and 42nd Millennium. Nobody knows really, because the Imperium is a mess and the calendar is broken.

>>53628036
behemoth is an interesting retcon

I preferred the old explanation being that it was the resurgence of the Tyranid menace with Hive Fleet Kraken that caused the crusade to be recalled, since the 3e tyranid book used that fleet as the face of the race, with behemoth (the 2e tyranids) as ancient history.

Just made sense.

>>53627931
>>53628036
Tbh it's also a pretty nice example of how fucked up the Imperium is. They can't even keep track of the date, and instead of sitting down and finding a solution to this, some chucklefuck inquisitors rather just murder the fuck out of each other over the fucking date. And if you think about it, keeping the date is actually very important to the survival of the IoM, but it also sounds hillarious.

>>53628017
The initial point of the Heresy was that he didn't let it happen, though. It caught him by surprise, because he did genuinely trust/love Horus, he was blinded by his love for his son. It's Black Library writers that seems to have deep-seated issues about their parents not loving them enough.

>>53628126

Yeah there's no way the Emperor would be a cripple if the Primarchs were only tools. Only genuine love or absolute utter indecision can explain the Emperor's hesitation/sparing Horus on the first blow, then instantly vaporizing him.

>>53628123

Timekeeping over interstellar distances would be an issue for any space empire. Time doesn't flow at the same rate everywhere in the universe. The closer an object travels to lightspeed, the slowest your clock ticks relative to your frame of reference. Satellites communicating with Earth, GPS in particular, have to deal with this issue all the time.

>>53628149
Nah they've probably retconned it to something stupid like
>Horus is actually as strong if not stronger than the emperor. Basically 40k version of AoS Archaon
>the emperor was weak from holding back the daemons or got stabbed by some magic weapon we never heard of before
>the emperor had to fight several exalted greater daemons in a row immediately before the fight
>Horus has some unspoken purpose deemed extremely important to the emperor that would be detrimental to the survival of mankind, and emps was afraid to lose it.

>>53628198
>>53628149
Why do they need to ruin every cool moment.

And how would that fit with best angel boy and him being loved by Big E?

>>53628239
>Why do they need to ruin every cool moment.
that's just what happens when you hire fanboys

gotta assert fanboy dominance and leave your own "mark"

>>53628239
Obviously Emps doesn't REALLY love Sangy, he's going to send him in to soften up Horus first to make it seem easier and so he looks better in his inevitable victory over the traitors by crushing them so absolutely.

Or some stupid shit like that.

>>53628173
Well, this is an important aspect for real life, and I'm convinced this question already came up on some Warhammerfest, but I'm also convinced it got immediately handwaved by telling everyone that the Mechanicus has found a way, "but have you heard our new tragic story of Captain McThundercock? He battles his inner demons and conflicts BY TEARING SOEM ORK A FEW NEW ASSHOLES! BOLTERPORN, FUCK YEAH!"

>>53628314

Oh, I don't disagree with that. Any self-respecting stellar empire would figure it out. Still, calendars can become outdated with time. I believe there was one such empire that didn't update theirs and was off-sync with the actual real dates.

>>53627788
So Imperium care now for poor, single guardsman? Not so grimmdark anymore.

>>53628444
Only Ultramar. Its stated that in most other regions of the galaxy they'd just be left to die or given the Emperor's mercy. Ultramar has always been better to its citizens than the rest of the Imperium.

>>53628444
It literally says that they're treating them because they don't have enough men to kill them, and repairing a small percentage of them is better than having to wait for a new generation of guardsmen to be raised.

Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier and they can't afford to wait for guardsmen being sent from other systems.

>>53628501
>Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier
Wasn't part of Rowboat's thing that he's a great logistics guy and bureaucrat?

Maybe he should have spent less time crusading and more time fixing the bureaucracy and logistics so they didn't get even worse.

>>53628384
Russian February Revolution and the October revolution took place in March and November respectfully, as the the rest of the world had switched to the Gregorian calendar whilst the Russians were still using the Julian.

>>53628513
Don't forget that massive warpstorms erupted everywhere, and Abaddon presumably is still on his way to Terra. The Imperiums forces were thinly spread before, but now they've reached a point where they aren't even in the position to say "Guardsmen? Ah, we have a few more billions coming in tomorrow anyway, not a big deal"

Where have you cunts read this? Isn't it out on the 17th?

>>53628655
Digital version in on sale now.

>>53627951
>Oh and also Mortarion has his foster dads soul in a jar and he tortures it to make himself feel better


Wait, what ?

>>53627559
Isn't that just the ordo grammaticus?

>>53628535

That's not what I mean. I think it was the Chinese that screwed up their calendar and they thought they were in a different year altogether.

>>53629105
That's not a thing.

>>53625126
> A squad of the new Primaris™ Space Marine™ Incestors™ appeared, their Mk X Tacticus Armour™ (TRADEMARKED DO NOT STEAL) covered in the blood of the Death Guard™ Poxwalkers™™™ that they had just slaughtered with their brand new Cawl™ Pattern Mk II Bolt Rifles™ (DO NOT STEAL)...
And
>The Plague Marine™ of the Heretic Astartes™ leapt under the Repulsor Tank™ with a Melta Bomb™ He was instantly crushed by the grav plate, obviously he had not fought a Repulsor Tank™ before!
It's the worst at the beginning in the scenes with the Primaris Marines. It's not so bad later on.

I liked this part of the book
>‘I have them,’ he said. ‘Your brothers are that way.’ He pointed. ‘Though the enemy are nearer. Perhaps you would join me in their slaughter before you rejoin your brothers, for the glory of Greater Ultramar, and the Imperium of Man?’
-Tetrach Decimus Felix, Primaris Ultramarine Captain to Genesis Chapter Centurions that were separated from their battle brothers

>>53626121
>possible traitor Primaris, etc

could you elaborate on this?

>>53629795
cawl is one of those "my chapter is secretly from traitor gene-stock" fags

>>53627985
Yes, that's the Blood Games. But only the custodes even know about it so whatevs.

>>53629795
From what I gather from the other fatguys is that Cawl wants to use traitor geneseeds to create more Parimaris. Girlyman said no but he suspects he's doing shit behind his back anyway.....incoming chaos chad marines!

>>53629795
Cawl has a full stock of geneseed from the traitor legions and is really forward about wanting to employ it immediately citing it was just the primarchs that were the issue. Bobby G flat out says no but is pretty sure Cawl is going to fuck with it anyway.
I see that as a possible Heresy 2: Electricus Boogalum with traitor gene primaris being more easily corrupted.

>>53625126
It's pretty good. The Primaris Marines are shown to dominate some Iron Warriors early on, but they're pretty evenly matched by the Plague Marines, which while also new, are old fluff.

>>53627582
>>Emperor can talk telepathically. He talked to Guilliman. Their conversation is why Guilliman's view of the Emperor has changed. Big E is a dick even after 10k years.
Wait what, the emperor can talk?
Can you quote please?

>>53630291
Theres no quote to give. What Big E actually said isnt stated, just that Guilliman didnt like it and made him want to smack that glorified corpse around a bit.

There is a bit in another book where he talks to an Inquisitor that does have quotes. He speaks in all caps and has a fractured mind.

>>53628444
Guilliman does.
Guilliman's mercy is considered different to the Emperor's, because Guilliman will actually try to save you.

>>53628501
>Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier
>>53628513
>Wasn't part of Rowboat's thing that he's a great logistics guy

The Imperium's logistics are superior now, just the strain is so much greater. Roboute makes Guardsmen well so that they can go and fight again.
Treating the sick results in more Guardsmen than killing the sick.

>>53630291
>At the thought of his fathers, the memory of the sights Guilliman had witnessed in the throne room a century ago intruded violently into his mind. Against the odds, something lingered on the Golden Throne. His last encounter with his true father had been a spear of light and pain whose psychic aftershocks troubled him still. The Emperor had lost His subtlety.
Is basically it.
Inquisition Wars has the Emperor actually talking. But it's old and as liable to trigger some subset of /tg/'s autists as any given bit of new fluff.

>>53629812
>>53629836
>>53629908
Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.

>>53628107
so in 2e behemoth entered the galaxy way earlier?

>>53629812
>>53629836
>>53629908

Sound good. Really, really good. I was happy with the plot progress when Cadia fell and the Great Rift fucked thigs up everywhere, but the Gullimand&Primaris thing was far too nobledark for me.

Good to know things are gonna get warhammered back to shit soon thanx to Adepts of Mars still not believing in Hell.

>>53629908
To be fair Luna wolf gene seed is the most potent and stable of all. Would make amazing primaris marines.

>>53630403
Only Carnac gets triggered by mention of Inquisition War because he's a professional NEET and Troll. Pretty much everyone else recognizes it as a cornerstone of the setting, and the Emperor speech as one of the setting's best (and I especially appreciate for how it sets the tone of the entire setting.)

>>53630761
Weren't the Emperor's Children the most stable of the Traitor legions?

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>>53630494
>Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.
Female Primarines confirmed!

>>53630855
>Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.
>Female Primarines confirmed!
You're laughing but it could happen.

>>53625126
>Incestors

Tell me more, anon

>>53630761
>>53630844

Either way, stability has nothing to do with potential Chaos corruption. Traitor Legions didn't fall to Chaos because they ware mutants, they fell because their fathers fell, and some believe it's in their genes.

>>53630902
Some Primaris Battle Brothers don't let their lust for their brothers stay mere undertones.

>>53630866
Final fucking straw if that happens.

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>"Hmmm, let me be stupid and not trust my children, give a stern my way or the highway approach, not explain anything and be uncaring."
>[heresy happens all because of emperor being a dick and doesn't know how to talk to people]
>[10,000 years later of eternal suffering and pain for your dumb mistakes]
>"Could I be out of touch? No...it is the children who are wrong."

Why is the Emperor so fucking stupid? This is why I'm Chaos Undivided

>>53631046
>If I have to choose between someone who isn't the smartest and being buggered by super satan for eternity, I choose super satan

Smart guy

>>53631075
Chaos is the true nature of man for all the chaos gods gained power from man. CHAOS DESERVES MAN LIKE MAN DESERVES CHAOS SENPAI

>>53628173
I've heard from a researcher than natural sources like pulsars or something like this could be used at long term as the way to adjust clocks in interestellar distances or travel

>>53631087
Perhaps you didn't quite catch on the first time
>being buggered by super satan for eternity

I mean, I hope thats not the true nature of man

>>53631117
>hope that's not the true nature of man

Oh you sweet Summer child

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>>53630700
Yep. Not much earlier, but depending on how how far back you go or which books you look at during RT to early 3e behemoth will show up in the tail end of M40 to the modern 745M41 already mentioned.

The tau themselves have conversely been eked farther back over time. The damocles crusade was (originally, in the first tau codex) shortly before the arrival of hive fleet kraken in 992M41. The fleet was called back to deal with the unexpected resurgence of the tyranids, and the tau had to deal with the newly created splinters of kraken in the third sphere of expansion following the wake of the damocles crusade.

But then some idiot decided to freeze the timeline in 5e and the tau had no room to expand. So they bumped damocles back to 742M41, made the crusade fleet into reinforcements for the Ultramarines (despite the ultramarines being at damocles), and had the tau dealing with the splinters of behemoth during the third sphere expansion instead (despite behemoth being completely annihilated at macragge, leaving the imperials to believe the tyranid race wiped out as well as prompting the hive mind to change its invasion strategy completely with kraken)

the tld:dr is that when andy chambers left as overfiend, 40k's timeline went to absolute shit

Them Ynnari, what about them?
What about Guilliman's gf?

>>53627972
I find 10.000 year old genetically and psychically engineered supersoliders going "wah, wah, daddy doesn't love me" a bit hard to accept.

>>53631229
She told him about War in Heaven and Fall.

>>53628198
Sir you forgot Olly Pesson.

>>53629836
>>53630718

Traitor geneseed isn't inherently defective (except for 2nd Legion which got put down early). The lodges made Astartes go traitor in the first place; and the bureaucracy of the Imperium and all its internal wars to follow caused the ouster or corruption of entire chapters. Those things aren't going to be issues with the Primarines.

Its like saying Astartes go traitor when they use Chaos or Daemon weapons. Space Wolves have a Khornate axe, and Calgar has cleansed power fists. When handled correctly, nothing is going to go wrong. Calgar might turn traitor, though

>>53628198
You know it'll be stupid. Because they already added like 4 lines to the final fight and that's all it took for them to make a great moment awful. It's actually impressive how good they are at ruining shit.

>>53631303
>Calgar turns traitor
>anally fists Abaddon
>Becomes new overchampion of Chaos

I am surprisingly okay with this.

>>53630932
>t. Definitely Not Cawl

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>>53631414
Calgar would be a good replacement for Abbadon.

>>53630932
>>53631433

The most shocking thing about Guilliman's reticence is he once stuck up for the Iron Warriors when Perty was gutting it, and he had a literal chapter of Iron Warriors in his Secundus pledging allegiance to him. If any primarch should know that there were good loyal men in those traitor legions, it would be Guilliman.

Yet he himself gives way to mere superstition.

>>53628856
I wish we could have more of Morty's Daddy issues. That whole part was awesome, especially Typhus saying "Your plan sucks worse than the shit Saturday morning villains come up with and don't bitch when Gulliman pushes your shit in. Just listen to Papa Nurgle."

>>53631478
Yeah, both lack arms

>>53631480
Those Iron Warriors were already around and had proven themselves.
He's got no reason to create more, especially untested.

>>53631513

Do you think geneseed grows on trees? There is an urgent need for manpower in m42, and the war will not wait for "proper geneseed" production.

>>53631414
It would give the conflict a more personal touch. Abbadon and RG dont know each other after all.

>>53631489
All the Nurgle characters were fun.

>Typhus: Mortarion, you're a shit who doesn't understand anything.
>Mortarion: Would you speak to Ku'gath like that, huh?
>Typhus: Yes, he's a shit, though he's not so shitty as you.
>Ku'gath: It's true, I'm an unworthy shit.
>Mortarion: SHUT UP, IT'S GONNA WORK

>>53631046
As a father I kind of understand the emperors sentiment here. There are cases where even if you could describe the matter to your child in a way that assuaged their apprehension issues and allows them to better understand the circumstance, there are some things, as a child, they are simply incapable of understanding without direct experience to apply. It would also undermine your authority as a parent because now you're in the position where and explanation is an expectation before proper action, either your own or theirs upon direction. So more often than not, its counter productive from a time, understanding, and authority standpoint. If my son really wants to know after the fact and presses me after obeying, I will give him as detailed an explanation as I can. I owe it to him, but not before. Even after that there are still things he doesn't understand.

Compared to the emperor, most humans and even primarchs are mental children.

t. Father of a 6 and 4 year old sons.

>>53631546
So make more Ultramarine gene-seed.
Cawl already has 9 Primaris gene-seeds in full production, if they need more they can just use that.

>>53631546
>Do you think geneseed grows on trees?
No it grows on Primarchs, one of which they have now.

>‘Archmagos Belisarius Cawl repeats that all gene-lines continue to operate at peak efficiency. Tested gene-seed reveals a mutational deviancy of less than 0.001% per generation. All Adeptus Astartes Chapters once again have access to the full suite of additional organs, replacing those zygotes lost through improper treatment or evolutionary variance, with the addition of the three new implants.
And apparently Cawl fixed everyone.

So according to the novel but the Necrons and the Old Ones had the key to banish Chaos once and for all from the universe using their combined technologies but they failed to do this for some reason.

So who's to blame for this?

>>53631662
Necrons, Old Ones and Aeldari.
The three never intersected at their heights.

>>53631662
>So who's to blame for this?
Cawl seemed to think they both had different pieces to the same puzzle.

>>53631604
>No it grows on Primarchs, one of which they have now.

There are clear limitations to this approach. Take the drastic example of the Thousand Sons. They were reduced to 1000 when reunited with Magnus and built itself up to around 80k at the time of the fall of Prospero, which still took some decades.

Hell has spilled across the Imperium. They do not have decades. They need Astartes right the fuck now.

>And apparently Cawl fixed everyone.

Repaired Thousand Sons would be super scary.

>>53631662
>>53631701
>>53631713

The whole plan to save the universe revolves around the pylons. Old Ones built them and then died, Necrons went to sleep, Aeldari preserved them but eventually forgot how to maintain and repair them. The one thing they had in common is it never crossed their minds that their race might go extinct, so they never created protocols to preserve the galaxy for whoever would come after them.

That being said, Cawl did a damn good job activating the pylons on Cadia. If it weren't for Abaddon ramming the fortress, Cawl would be savior of the materium.

>>53631555
Even those gribblies on Iax are hilarious.

>>53631478
>>53631491
>I have replaced you, Armless the Harmless! From now on, there's a new champion of Chaos in town, and henceforth my name shall be...Quadraplegicus!

>>53628856
>>53631489
>>53631555
>>53631806

>Morty was once well respected and beloved
>Morty is reduced to a tavern joke even after ascending to daemonhood

talk about eternal torment

>>53631725
Emperor's Children were 200 when reunited with Fulgrim, all they gene-seed was destroyed, yet thanks to Fulgrim they grow from 200 guys to 110 000 guys before Istvaan.

You can also make gene-seed in labs.

>>53631825
Typhus is right, Morty is more of a trophy than a Champion.

>>53631830
It's possible that the EC's growth rate was exceptional, though. Even before their corruption their apothecaries made them the legion that tinkered around the most with space marine biology.

>>53631800
Cawl might be a madman, but I can't help but believe he's the guy we need right now. Even if most of the shit he's done is just incredibly questionable.

>>53631825
It's not like Morty really had anything going for him. Cruze was a bigger edge lord, Perty had the whole "We're losing, throw more men at it" shtick down pat, and Russ was the one Emps threw at Primarchs when He felt one needed to die. All Morty did was bitch about how both his fathers treated him like shit. Even Horus didn't want his whiny lurking ass near him on Molech. Typhus gets more shit done than Morty.

>>53631825
Guys like Perturabo, Fulgrim, and Angron also have a history of treating their legions like shitstains, but at least their legions don't trashtalk them to their face. Morty can't catch a break.

>>53631553

I'm prettys sure First Captain of the Luna Wolves knew Gulliman personaly.

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>>53631553
>Left hand of Warmaster Horus
>never meet Guillman
WAT?

>>53631967
>wants Mortar Ion out of his figurative hair
>but totally wants to pal around with Fulgrim
>even after Mortarion proved his loyalty and Fulgrim proved to be unfit for everything
Horus really sucked at HR management.

>>53631800
>Old Ones built them and then died,

What? I thought the Necrons built the pylons.

>>53632074
Horus also didn't exactly have the greatest labor pool to start with. He got stuck with all the fuck ups except for Alpharius, and even Alpharius played both sides. Too be honest, I'd rather have the half possessed peacock around than Morty's dreary couch surfing resentful ass.

>>53632084
I think he's a retcon or two behind lore wise.

>>53632074
He's the same guy who pointlessly sacrificed the Raven Guard at Gate 42 for no tactical benefit soley because he disliked Corax.

His personal feelings towards people frequently trump his logical thinking.

>>53632119
Fulgrim wasn't even possessed for most of the HH, he was just being a douchebag. He fucked up at Isstvan by losing half his whole fighting force to stupid shit, and he fucked up by not getting Ferrus to join the rebellion, and he fucked up by trying to fucking murder Pert, and he fucked up by taking 2/3 of the EC and simply leaving for fuck knows where while the war was still in full swing, and he fucked up by leaving Eidolon in charge and letting the remaining 1/3 of the EC fight each other for shitty reasons, and so on. That's not even covering how hard he fucked over everyone at Terra and in the aftermath of the final siege. He was downright hazardous to his own allies.

>>53631825
Mortarion always felt pretty pathetic as a Primarch to me. He got fucking outplayed by Typhus and is pathetic in terms of achievements.

>>53631433
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>>53632310
But he was pretty good 1vs1 so it's a ok.

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>>53631604
does this mean flesh tearers are now chill? lmao

>>53632119
Didn't Horus often lament having warlords and tyrants for allies rather than men of duty like Dorn,or Ferrus?

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>>53632386
He did so on at least one occasion. But since he never really made a serious attempt to sway those other guys, he can really only blame himself.

>>53632386
He was mad he got stuck with all the mad men and monsters rather than the cool guys like Guilliman.

>>53632419
Yeah, he and Morty had a whinefest about it in a White Scars HH book.

>>53631103
I think the idea is map the constant regular pulse rate from a bunch of pulsars from a reference point i.e. Terra, then as you're travelling keep track of how the pulse rates change as you go to know what time it actually is by comparing those to the base times. Not complicated, but a bit fiddly for 40k given you're in the Warp, and can't see the stars while in motion to track pulsar emissions.

>>53627582
>Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.
Of course they would know because of sidereal time they could work out exactly how long had passed and a host of other things, there's probably a calendar on Bjorn the fell handed's dashboard.

>>53632386
>>53632419
Tbh, guys like Dorn, Ferrus, Sanguinius and Guiliman probably wouldn't have sided with him anyway, but probably would have led the Heresy to a victory..
Perturabo was probably one of his better allies, considering the other options were Fulgrim, as explained above, Angron who was good for nothing except getting dropped onto some battlefield and fucking shit up for everyone and Mortarion, who apparently was also quite useless, except for bringing manpower. Magnus was too busy on Prospero to contribute, Curze was a lunatic beyond saving and Lorgar was busy masturbating over daemon-religion. Alpharius was secretly (you)

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>>53632447
>Horus about his own troops: Strange is it not, that so many I wish beside me stand against me, while at my back are only the flawed and damaged. I am a master of broken monsters.

>Horus about the Drop Massacre: Istvaan was supposed to burn in silence so our war could be won before it ever truly began. The Angel's wings were meant to be broken at my feet. And still failures keep tumbling one over the other.

>Horus to Mortarion: I can trust you...Angron has made himself mad- I cannot charge him with the simplest tasks. Perturabo- by the gods, Perturabo. He would be left standing as the Khan's savages ran rings around his trenches, and the Scars have no fortresses for him to lay low. Alpharius is silent, and ties himself up in knots of his own devising.

>>53632554
Ferrus wouldn't because Fulgrim keeps cloning him to try and turn him, and he keeps coming out loyalist.

That said, I think it's either Horus or Lorgar who admits that ANY of his brothers could be made to fall given the right push, prod and circumstances save for Sanguinius.

>>53627788
>Due to how much the Imperium has gone to shit
Right, what about the new fucking chapters and legions and the Indomitus Crusade 'kicking ass' then? Fucking grimderp bullshit, Robert Gorillamist doesn't care about Macragge?

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>>53632571
What the fuck did Horus expect after Angron went "ANGRY SMASH!" at Isstivan? He should have seen his heresy as the hopeless uphill battle it was going to turn into and said "Fuck it, I'm out", not double down on dumb. Given, against the big E it was always going to be kill or be killed, but he could have ran and left the others behind to slow down the Imperium.

>>53632601
>Right, what about the new fucking chapters and legions and the Indomitus Crusade 'kicking ass' then?

They're kicking ass, but there's a lot of ass to kick.

>Robert Gorillamist doesn't care about Macragge?

He does, which is why he's fighting in Ultramar now. He plans on making Ultramar as a perfect model for the larger Imperium to follow.

>>53628646
>and Abaddon presumably is still on his way to Terra
Yeah any day now *yawn

>>53630310
So, TTS is canon?

>>53632716
My kids will be out of college by the time Abby finds his way to Terra.

>>53631414
I would be very not okay with it

it would be "captain america has always been an agent of hydra" bad

>>53627500
>Guilliman tells them all to go to hell and re-instates the Tetrach system. He splits Ultramar into 5 segments naming Agemenon from the Ultramarines, a Novamarine, a Doom Eagle and Felix (a primaris ultramarine) as his tentrachs to rule over 4 of the segments
Fuck yeah Doom Eagles getting some love.

>>53632716
Well, it took him 30 years to blow Cadia up. Maybe your grandsons will someday be able to witness the arrival of Abaddon at some other planet in Segmentum Obscurus.

>>53632571
>>53632554

Mortarion, while messed up in his own way, was an excellent commander in the field and the death guard were/are formidable soldiers. Mortarions own paranoia and subversion from Typhon really fucked him up.

As far as I know, Angron was allowed to exist so long as Kharn was there to mediate. Angron was kept for the sake of an expected fight against Sanguinius, No other primarch save Horus or Angron could hope to defeat Sanguinius in an open fight and Horus was too important and preoccupied with other things to go hunting down his brothers.

>>53632716
>>53632740

He found the way to Terra. The problem is unlike Horus, he commanded an army of frat boys. So when the galaxy got torn a new one, all of them said fuck this we're going to party on our own. And then of course, Abaddon's attempt to stop Guilliman's resurrection didn't work out.

So now he has to wait for the other daemon primarchs to get off their asses and weaken the Imperium enough for his Black Legion to make a realistic attempt on Terra.

>>53627588

Jealously guarding technology that could save mankind because "dude, worship lol" is the best they can do?

Daily reminder that when there was a super-Gargant wandering around Armageddon one-shotting Emperor class Titans unopposed, the Mechanicus had a weapon that could one-shot the Gargant but they refused to use it because "dude, my rites lol".

Daily reminder that Grimdaldus told the Mechanicus to suck his dick, took the weapon without their permission and used it to destroy the Gargant, saving Helsreach.

The Mechanicus are shit and they've always been shit. They're just as bad as the ministorum if not worse on regards to being a cancer on the Imperium.

>>53632835

>keep Angron as a trump card for San"titankiller"guinius
>Lorgar fucks it up by turning Angron into a daemon primarch for lolrandumb

The woes of Horus Lupercal.

>>53632935
Pretty sure daemon Angron would have a better chance against Sangunius than manlet with brain damage Angron.

>>53625126
>Incestors

That's a better name than the actual shit name they have.

>>53633021

The problem is manlet Angron still had to listen to Horus on occasion. But when you're a daemon primarch, do you really give a fuck anymore?

>>53633041
Incest, lol... gross.

>>53633043
Yes.
Daemon Angron is the one who tries to dictate the terms of surrender to the Imperial forces at Terra.
Brain damaged Angron already had proved uncontrollable.

>>53632933
I think its a difference of writers, and the age old /tg/ argument of whether or not machine spirits are bullshit or not.

I've heard different arguments, that a machine spirit is real, in the sense that every bit of 40k tech from a bolter to a tank has some semblance of computer intelligence, that then get by "warpiness" to grow with age. And if so then the idea is that you do have to treat the older more powerful tech with some form of respect if not actual worship to get it to work... but honestly it usually just feels like bullshit.

Like for fuck sake I shouldn't have to say a prayer and light up incense for a damn gun to work. But thats 40k I guess...

>>53632935
The offical version has it that Horus went insane due chaos fuckery, but the true version is that he lost it because he had to deal with shit like this all the time.

>>53633164
Well, we can't really doubt the fact that Titans and Ordinatii have them, because of the whole "mindfucking the mentally weak to death and having clear emotions and likes" thing. Starships do, and almost complete ones at that, like the Speranza. Not that far a leap to a whole bunch of other shit, and at the least the ritual keeps Chaos away even if the Machine is inanimate due to simplicity.

Anything about St Celestine, since she's one of the important trio there?

>>53627582
>>53630291
>>53630403
Given that Guilliman now calls his father a "creature" saying that nothing to deserves to be worshipped that is so "cold and callous." It might as well be the Emperor from Inquisition Wars.

>‘THEN WE MUST BE MALEVOLENT TOO, FOR WE HAVE EXPELLED OUR SENTIMENTALITY LONG AGO. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ENDURED? HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE IMPOSED OUR RULE?’

>‘YET BY VIRTUE OF THAT WE ARE PURE AND UNCONTAMINATED BY WEAKNESS. WE ARE GRIM SALVATION.’

>‘NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS, IT HAS FAILED FOREVER.’

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>>53633164
>But thats 40k I guess...
the largest problem is certain people have great difficulty separating their contemporary views on technology from the 41st millennium

GW used to have a note in the rulebook about it, one I really wish they'd kept. It would save us a whole lot of dumb arguments.

>>53633231
Didn't the Speranza have an actual AI though?

>>53633234
Nope. None of her.

>>53627972

"Tragedy" is like"lovecraftian horror" in that it's a completely arbitrary meme phrase.

>>53632935
Angron would have been made useless by the nails, sooner or later. They fucked his brain up hard. Making him a daemon primarch at least guaranteed that he could function at all.

>>53633254
That was a DAoT ship

>>53633254
Not quite, but very very close. Fully complete STC program, complete with operating Restricted Intelligence type thing. Bit fucked up still or it would be helping, but still perhaps the most powerful ship anywhere in the galaxy bar the Necron's best when fully roused.

>>53633283
>That was a DAoT ship
As I recall, it was more like an Imperial ship built over a DAoT ship, and they barely even knew the DAoT components existed anymore.

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Official Admech theme tune

Chapter 6 page 4

>A coterie of electro-priests began the hymn, Body Electric. Tech-priests muttered their prayers over their desks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzV1st_Ekrc

>>53633383
pretty sure it's a reference to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Dju2i4FZw

>>53633249
It would be interesting if the Emperor is an amalgamation of personalities, basically a combination of all the psykers that are sacrificed to him.

>>53633443
That's what the WE was in that segment, all the Sensei that had formed the Emperor were coming apart. But if you go with the current retcons in mind, who knows, but I'm sure the current generation of authors will get there eventually.

>>53633383
>>53633414

Welp, that's another schism. Get the Titans ready again, lads.

>>53633414
Well, that's about as perfect an Admech song as it's possible to get.

>>53631414
I like this

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>Tfw when it all sounds as If the emperor had a text device has become canon, he eve is shit talking/bullying Guilliman.
Even the part of the custodes going out doing shit fits.

>>53633506
>>53633561
singing in binary and sexy cyborg arbite ladies what more could you want (other than for the binary to make sense, I checked, it all comes out gibberish)

>>53627659
I hope Cawl goes the Xenos route instead of the Chaos root.

I'd be balling as fuck to have Crypteks, the silent king and other progressive Necrons work with the Imperium to tell the warp to fuck itself.

>>53625126
I liked the book. It did have some of that when the Primaris Marines first went into combat, but that's it. It definitely had some stuff that referred to referenced fluff I do reject, but it also had a lot of cool stuff that meshes well with the old fluff I use. The best parts were Guilliman thinking about the Imperium and Emperor and the nature of things. I'd give it an 8/10.

>>53633698
I don't think that'd work out well, now that the Eldar are working more closely with the Imperium than ever before.

>>53627951
>Typhus says that Mortarions plan to draw Guilliman out by doing this to Ultramar is retarded and will just fail because he's just giving the space marine equivalent of batman time to prepare

Kekked, well done Anon

>>53633819
Knowing the Eldar they fuck it up for everybody...Again.

Girlyman need to stop thinking with is dick.

>>53633876
Whatever he's been thinking with, it made him the second most successful statesman in all of recorded human history. It won't be on him if things go sour.

>>53627659
>Cawl is probably looting Trazyn's collection as we speak
Is Cawl some kind of long-lost Blood Ravens techmarine?

Pray tell, gentlemen, how can I get this book? Apart from BL, that is.

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>>53631229
Space-Skype sex
They're both very busy but they still try to make time for one another

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>>53633923
>second most successful statesman

You're damn right

>>53633958
Check the commie's social media. They upload shit in English.

>>53632074
Horus did cradle Morty when he got shot in the chest though, and he was his most reliable and generally competent commander (partly because Pert was paranoid and didn't even trust his legion, never mind Horus, partly because Mort was a damn good infantry commander)

This doesn't change the fact that he gets absolutely BTFO by Typhus so goddamn much though - even accounting for the fact that Typhus is a A-grade dick along the same lines as Fabulous Bill and Erebus, it's still embarrassing to get rekt by your captain over and over

>>53634020
>Pert was paranoid and didn't even trust his legion
Morty suffered just as badly from that. It's specifically noted in FW's books that from all appearances, Morty just didn't trust his own subordinates even the teensiest bit.

>>53633414
>AdMech is into prog
I can dig it

>>53632935
>>53633219
It's really not surprising he started bitching to Ferrus's head in private with all this shit going on

>>53633249
>Guilliman actually got the exact same speech.
>The Emperor has become so senile and broken he just repeats the exact same speech to every single person he bothers talking to like a giant psychic broken record.

>>53633414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiAXINKBa20

>>53634060
Wasn't that just Typhon?
And the marines he assigned to die at Istvaan, which was even mentioned as being a bit odd given how loyal they were to him.

Everyone else I've seen seems pretty loyal to him and he the same, other than a bit of cracking over staying "pure", caused by his gradual realisation that he's on the asshole side, and his belief that he could control and conquer daemons the same way he could anything else (which is marred by his original failures)

I never really got Typhus, what inspired a man to get so turned in by space herpes in the first place

>>53627647
Should have known the Mechanicus hate would just be an excuse to give the Tau a handjob.

>>53634318
Iirc he's inherently evil and corrupt from being a xenos hybrid from the shit-wolrd that was Barbarus.

>>53633927
"This position of 10,000 year old magos was gifted to us; the blood ravens, most generously by the red priests of mars!"

>implying the blood ravens have not moved into stealing non concrete items like honorifics and seats of power

>>53632912

Holy shit

then does it mean that the Warp is the Animal house, and Failbaddon is the Dean?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKS0GVvoE9I
now we know why slaanesh and everyone else loves toga
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHC8cYEhzM

>>53631593
Unless he has exhausted the vaults he has access to, curious

>>53633279
Brain dead or physically dead if logars reasons for forcing angrons ascension are to be believed

>>53627500
>commando librarians

ok thats cool

>>53629105
Ordo Originatus you mean
>>53634411
they already stole girlyman, look at him saying knowledge is power

>>53629780

Asking them if they'd like to indulge in a slaughter of traitors before they head off back to their group like he was asking them to help him unload some groceries or if they'd like to stay a while for a cup of tea before being on their way.

>>53627582
>Cawl also wants to use traitor geneseed to make more Primaris marines.
>Guilliman refuses.

Fucking Girlyman, I wanted Primaris Iron Warriors >:(

>>53629908

I still suspect that they have some Fire Hawks geneseed in the stocks, and they might accidentally some Primaris into the Legion of the Damned.

Don't fuck with 21st Founding geneseed. Heaven knows they might accidentally the Black Dragons and have Primaris with bone claws.

>>53634434
Gene-seed doesn't get exhausted, it's a replicating material.

>>53635117
>Don't fuck with 21st Founding geneseed
W-what about Lamenters Primarine?

>>53630377

Of course, his mercy is somewhat misguided because he doesn't know what the Imperium knows about Chaos (or at least the Inquisitors) and that naivete is getting things fucked.

>Save the Guardsmen!
>Guardsmen are marked by Nurgle
>End up fucking over the entirety of Iax

Guilliman has been getting kicked in the dick repeatedly after being revived and is only scraping by because he's got enough manpower and strength to overcome it, but he's being outplayed by everyone else because they've had 10k years of practice honing the very tricks he's stumbling into. Guilliman has a whole lot of learning to do and a whole lot of his own actions and decrees are likely to bite him in the ass.

He's either got to learn to be just as ruthless as everyone else in this godforsaken millennia, or else learn to play the setting smarter so he can get better results. Right now he's a disruptive influence, but he's going to have to find his footing to stay on top.

>>53635079
Cawl will do it whether Girlyman likes it or not. Plus it would be interesting to see Primaris Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists being the best of buds, where they were initially in the same group for the hell of it.

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>>53625126
has the mobi been uploaded anywhere?

i want to save shekels for primavera maroons

>>53635005

There's also Historical Revision Units, who are a department of the Administratum tasked with deleting records that the Inquisition or whoever has decided are too dangerous to allow to exist. They send in Kill Team "Deletion Teams" plunge into libraries and data-stacks in skin-tight, fireproof suits with full-face rebreathers and render whole datastacks to cinders with compact hand-flamers. Their leaders also carry silences autoguns which they use to gun down any witnesses because no one can know that something had to be deleted and that something is amiss.

You just KNOW the Historitos are going to be running into these motherfuckers on a daily basis. Guilliman hasn't just created a team that will help him understand how the galaxy of 30k because the galaxy of 40k, he's added yet another layer of Inquisitorial secret wars into the fabric of the Imperium.

>>53627745
fucking this

>>53635508
>>53635307
We're not the Imperium, our archives work - use them

Anything on xenos?

>>53635555
but is it in there? i looked already twice

nice quints btw

>>53627582
>there is no standard dating system.
Wow it's almost like GW no longer gives a fuck and the writers know nothing of the fluff and do not care. Because the Imperium absolutely has a standardized system. Not everyone adheres to it and planets can differ, but major organizations and players use it, especially spacefarers, because they obviously fucking has to.

When all else fails, time on Terra takes precedence over any potential time dilation. Not even joking.

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>>53630310
>>53630291

It is stated.

But He spoke.
With words of light and fire, the Emperor had conferred with His returned primarch, the last of His finest creations.
A creation. Not a son.
The living Emperor had been an artful being, as skilled at hiding His thoughts as He was at reading those of others. What remained of Him was powerful beyond comprehension, but it lacked the subtlety He had had whilst He walked among men. Speaking with the Emperor had been like conversing with a star. The Emperor’s words burned him.
What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid.
The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp.
Guilliman had no illusions. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp.
While the Emperor had walked abroad, He had cloaked His manipulations in love. He had let His primarchs call Him father; He had let them call themselves His sons. He had rarely spoken those words Himself, Guilliman now realised, and when He had He had done so without sincerity. Buffeted by the full might of the Emperor’s will unclothed in flesh, a cloak had been ripped from Guilliman’s eyes.
The Emperor had allowed them to love Him, and to believe He loved them in return. He had not. His primarchs were weapons, that was all.
Though His power was immense, perhaps greater than it had been before He ascended, the Emperor’s humanity was all but gone. He could no longer mask His thoughts with a human face. The Emperor’s light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally – finally – Guilliman had seen it as a whole. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him.
The Emperor did not love His sons. They were things. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end.

>>53635748
That is Guilliman's opinion though, nothing is objective here.

>>53635628
The epub is.

I heard that in either this or the 8th ed rulebook, it's mentioned that Guilliman fought a war with the Inquisition's Ordo Chronos because he wanted to reform the dating system

this is some oldschool 40k-level satire

>>53635814
>That is Guilliman's opinion though, nothing is objective here.
The other anons are right though, the takeaway Guilliman got fits in really neatly with the Inquisition Wars' Emperor.

>The Emperor loves no one man, thought Guilliman. He cannot afford affection – that is the honest practical for the impossible task that faces the Master of Mankind. He did not love His sons, He does not love men, but He does love mankind.

>>53635748
>>53635814
>Pure unfiltered Emprah.
>Opinion.
He feels no love, only hatred for his foes.

>>53635856
>it's mentioned that Guilliman fought a war with the Inquisition's Ordo Chronos because he wanted to reform the dating system
That's retarded, though. The dating system used is perfectly understandable.

It quite literally refers to a fraction of a year of a year in a millennium. What could be simpler?

>>53634097
underrated

>every single one of his custodes have heard it thousands of times
>now they just tune out and nod

>>53627972
>it completely kills any aspect of tragedy.
The fact that Girlyman thinks this and that this is the established view in a meta sense is in itself tragic, though. What if the God-Emperor truly loves every last one of his subjects, and out of all of them, he loves his sons the most?

If he didn't love them, it would be the easiest thing in the world to have lied, told Horus that he loved him, and given him a power-hug.

>>53635893
>Pure unfiltered Emprah.
That's not true. It is through the lens of Girlyman, the maryest sue that ever sued.

>>53635946
>this is why they were depressed for 10k years
>they had to keep listening to this shit day in and day out.

>>53635628
>>53617140

>>53627745
>>53635508
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dvac5z3f2kfc8zy/dark_imperium_guy_haley.epub

here you guys.

>>53635555
Bullshit, that shit is impossible to navigate

>>53636053
Well it is pure, unfiltered Emperor. It's just pure, unfiltered Emperor after 10k years on the Throne, which we saw in Inquisition Wars, probably, mentally, isn't the same being that was running around in the Great Crusade, and is quite insane.
In an hour of darkness, a blindman is the best guide. In an age of Insanity, look to the madman to show the way.

>>53636120
>>53636275

Not those anon, but thanks, appreciated!

>>53636275
/tg/'s resources are really a mess. We need a daily updated thread with megalinks that aren't broken and are actually regularly updated

>>53636275
Are you using 4plebs?

>>53632589
You know, if they ever do bring back Ferrus as a Legion of the Damned, I get the feeling that a reunion between him and Fulgrim would be delicious. Only real excuse to bring him back anyways I think.

>>53636053
>It is through the lens of Girlyman, the maryest sue that ever sued.
Man who was killed in second chapter of this book, or struggled to kill bloodthirster or lose to lord of change, don't even start on his 30k fights.

>>53636275
>that shit is impossible to navigate
Perhaps we are more like the Imperium than we admit.

>>53636778

Ferrus would more likely be brought back as some kind of living metal man. Legion of the Damned are just Fire Hawks exposed to warp fuckery.

Still, a violent reunion between metal man and Miia would be pretty sweet. I seriously hope that certain other Primarchs start showing up again. Would be a shame if we were only ever stuck with Guilliman, Magnus, Mortarion, and Fulgrim.

>>53637033
Well, the Lion is probably coming back after Morty

>>53637033

>Legion of the Damned are just Fire Hawks exposed to warp fuckery.

That may have been an origin, but its also likely that other souls have gathered to their cause. They are hardly the only Astartes to have gotten lost int he Warp.

>>53635916
Did you even read the book before you spout off your completely wrong opinion? In fact, the bit about the imperial dating system is well done.

>>53636778
>>53637033

Ferrus and Fulgrim showdown is inevitable, although Headless HorseManus would be fucking awesome.

>>53637125
I think you replied to the wrong post. He's replying to wrong information someone else posted, as indicated by the greentext immediately following the post link.

>>53634020
Thats because, as Typhus puts it, Mortarion is basically a fucking trophy, gifted from him to Papa Nurgle himself. Mortarion never willingly fell to chaos; infact, out of the four primarchs that became dedicated to a single god, Mortarion never actively courted or consulted with the gods.

Unlike Kharn, Lucius or Ahriman, who are the by products of their legions corruption, Typhus was a filthy nurglite from the start. The corruption and fall was soley on his hands, as he basically sold his entire legion down the river. He killed all their astropaths, than told Mortarion "Nah brah, I got this.", and Mortarion being a idiot allowed it. Typhus promptly dropped their asses directly into Nurgle's garden, chuckling all the way.

Typhus is the chosen of Nurgle, not Mortarion.

>>53631604
And he got working copies of the missing legions as well... but old Rawbutt was like "no, that would be too cool, stop it"

Time to trigger /tg/, not that this is exactly a difficult accomplishment.

'He hefted the weapon thoughtfully. The firelight danced in his eyes. How it burned was a question of the warp, not of science, for all the machine trappings on the blade and in the hilt. His father had been gifted in both, more so than any other man. The sword resisted Guilliman’s attempts to learn its nature, and he would not release it to any other agency for study.
For these arts, Magnus had been censured. The retaliation for a warning sent in good faith had created another terrible foe. Another miscalculation on his father’s part– only a human could make so many errors.'

>magnus did nothing wrong

>>53631555
I'm not done with the book yet, but the nurgle bits have been some of the best parts.
Also- void whale carcass ships. Enough said.

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>>53637293
Pretty triggered desu, not because Magnus did nothing wrong, but because Magnus did nothing wrong thanks to a dumb retcon.

>>53637143

I've stated before that I want to Primarchs to come back weird. Like, Guilliman was in a stasis cell for 10k years, and came out much the same as when he went in. But how about everyone else that's been active or died since the Heresy? All the Traitors are dead or mutated, and a good half have become Daemon Princes.

Loyalists would make some great counter-freaks. Corax actually growing odd feathers from his body, Sanguinius being some kind of horrible vampire angel made of blood, Leman becoming a werewolf... Of course, that's all Heresy, but it would be great to make the galaxy freakier rather than just bringing them all back as Primarchs in bigger Power Armor like Guilliman.

>>53637275

Cawl is barking up Fabius Bile territory, here. The same place that got us the 21st Founding. That's probably not a good thing.

>>53637331

21st founding was Admech playing with the genetic markers of the Emperor's design. You don't fuck with the foundations of something the Emperor personally designed. Cawl is adding onto things that were already there, or fashioning new things entirely.

>>53637331
Hell, even G-money comes back needing a ton of life support and basically had to be resurrected by xenos magic.

And he's perhaps the most normal and boring of the loyalists.

>>53637782
He can put off armor fine now.

>>53637844

What?

>>53637863
In novel he takes on his suit while being clothed only in cloth.

>>53637863
He doesn't need to wear the armor all the time. Apparently all those life-support systems were just to heal the wound, but it's healed now.

>>53637952
Other than a nasty as fuck scar even they can't get rid of that keeps bothering him.

>>53632310
I think it's a little bit funny that Fulgrim manages to be an asshole to everyone, even the people who're supposedly on the same side as him, and it never comes back to bite him.

He dicked over everybody and he got away with all of it.

>>53637293
furfags btfo'd by retcons

>>53638139
it's called winning despite being possessed by a sword

>>53638081

Gabriel Angelos has a nasty as fuck scar across his entire goddamn body and he still carries on like a warrior born. They better not write Guilliman to be an emo little bitch going on bout muh phantom pain.

>>53638229
Nah, though he does have a wounded soul.

>>53638081

I take the Eldar's meaning as metaphorical, because those duplicitous cunts have to speak in ways that mean more than one thing.

She's saying he'd better not let his guard down.

>>53638229

If we were in Gabriel's head he'd probably gripe about how his scar itches like a motherfucker, too. Outward appearances and how your carry yourself can be quite different from what's going on in your brain. Also >>53638269.

>>53638229
The novel implies it won't heal because Guilliman doesn't know how to fix it because he refuses to acknowledge that it's a "spiritual" wound.
I'd be willing to bet money Guilliman is going to go theist, to set up drama with the next loyalist to return.

>>53637331
I don't think Sanguinius should come back, but Russ and Corax left for the warp, right? Those mutations would make sense. I don't know what they'd do with Dorn or Khan, but Ferrus as a robot would be great.

>>53638310
What should happen and what will make shekels are two different things anon.

>>53638213
He got over that pretty quickly. His only appearances while possessed are at the end of Fulgrim and in one or two novellas. And he was only possessed for any length of time because he was treating himself to some R&R. As soon as he got bored of floating around in the ether and "finding himself", he beat the daemon out of himself and stuffed it in the same painting where the daemon had previously stuffed him. Pretty much all the dickery he pulled in HH was done by him, not the daemon.

>>53638310

Khan chased Dark Eldar into the Webway. No one's heard from him since.

Dorn, depending on which fluff you're reading, is missing a hand that the Imperial Fists have in their collection and possibly encased in amber. Or both hands. Or maybe it's his whole skeleton encased in amber. If it's just a hand or two, it's a reasonable assumption that Dorn would come back.

Russ and Corax fucked off into the Eye, so they might just have been fighting off Daemons for eternity as penance.

Ferrus had those weird living-metal hands, so it'd be neat if he regrew from them or something, a regeneration at geologic speed, and it only now finished his head so now his soul is back and he's a Primarch again, though made of metal.

Sanguinius was the most powerful psyker next to Magnus and Chaos-Empowered Horus. There's enough of him around to form the backbone of his Chapter and successors, from psychic cups that constantly spill his blood to his sword which can act on its own accord, to the Black Rage which is a psychic scar of the trauma of his death, to the Sanguinor which appears to be a psychic manifestation of Blood Angel-ness, if not an avatar of Sanguinius himself.

Would such a revival negate the Blood Angel's sacrifice? Yeah, probably, but fuck it Guilliman's back and running around while Cawl's doing tech-heresy willy nilly and the Daemon Primarchs are getting off their couches in the Eye and joining the Galaxy once again to troll their returned brother.

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>>53638295
>Lion! Lion! You're not going to believe this! The Emperor IS A GOD.
>...Guilliman, where's the Armor of Reason?
>Oh I put it in a box somewhere, I wear the Armor of Fate now. Anyway, the Emperor, totally a deity.
The Lion's face when.

>>53638587

On the plus side, the Lion won't have to wonder where Guilliman's allegiance lies anymore since Bobby G is officially part of the cult club. On the minus side, everyone is going to be asking what the fuck has he been doing for 10k years.

>>53632386
I think his biggest issue was that he thought his own cause just and reasonable, but quickly figured out that only the excentric lunatics and madmen were on his side, while all the composed and respected brothers opposed him.

>>53631825
>Morty is reduced to a tavern joke even after ascending to daemonhood

That's what happens when you stop going on adventures with Malcador

>>53631075
Anything where I can fuck hot daemon succubusses is fine by me broseph

>>53634162

Well Typhon and his pals wanted to murder Nathaniel Garo even after Morty had plans to turn him to his side personally.

>>53638673

>probably watching the worst session of gay heretical slaneshi movies to torture Luther

>>53631240
>I find 10.000 year old genetically and psychically engineered supersoliders going "wah, wah, daddy doesn't love me" a bit hard to accept.

Why? Can you imagine what it must feel like to be this insanely powerful demi-god, but still have the hopes and dreams and needs of a regular human? When your adopted father, whom you loved dearly and taught you many great things, is murdered, and then your bio-daddy drops out of the sky and "saves the day," only for you to find out your bio-daddy is so busy being an Emperor he doesn't know how to be a dad, and then his poor fathering skills cause the deaths of trillions of humans in the largest civil war the Imperium ever saw barring Old Night?

While Guilleman is one of the most "normal" Primarchs, you gotta remember that Space Marines are demi-gods with the emotional development of teenagers, and Primarchs are Space Marines times ten in every way.

>>53636519
no actually, would it help?

>>53638673
>the Lion: 'I've been sleeping for the last ten thousand years.'
>RG: 'I've been FUCKING SITTING ON A THRONE WITH MY THROAT SLIT. I GOT OVER IT. Fucking seriously, I have no idea how low these writers are going to go in order to 'outdo' each other.

>>53638673
>The Khan gets back to Terra
>"Brother I have returned from my hunt in the webway, no more shall the imperium be threatened by those filthy xenos the Dark Eldar!"
>Finds Guilliman making out with his Eldar waifu on the imperial sofa...

>>53627972
I agree it is messed up they cast him as "always was this way", but even in Second Ed, He effectively had to strangle his love of Horus to kill him and gave a "Fuck being nice, we hard niggaz now" speech before interred into the throne.

I can accept him acting like this in 41k

>>53639390
Much less Dorn. He's going to come back and rip Girlyman a new asshole with his stumps over the Restartes. Rogal is going to sperg out majorly over that, much less how he hated Girlyman's Codex Astartes being adopted so strictly. And all of that's before we get into the rest of the Imperium.

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>>53639390
>>53638587

>>53639525
>'We need to ask Father.'
>'He can watch. I didn't know you were into that.'

>>53626382
>and their most important function is to service the Imperium with war machines.

This is not strictly true. More important than having tanks is having food, clothes, ammunition, armor, water purifiers, etc. The manufactorums of the AdMech are what produce or at least process and package these items. Without the logistical services of the AdMech, it wouldn't matter if Stubbs got all 100 of those baneblades if there was no fuel to run them, nor spare parts to repair them, nor fire its guns.

>>53639495
>>53639525
So we can expect at least Dorn and the Khan to throw a fit when they return.

I think the Khan is more likely to just fuck off with his gene sons and just crusade in the outer reaches. Dorn on the other hand, no pun intended, is going to go straight to Terra and ask Big E what to do.

>>53628311
I hate that you're probably right.

>>53637331
>I've stated before that I want to Primarchs to come back weird.

I think it'd be both fitting and hilarious if Vulkan came back, but he came back with an absolutely, positively raging hateboner for anything and everything Eldar - a hateboner so throbbingly powerful it literally scares those around him.

He wants to divert Imperial crusades to target Craftworlds that aren't really hurting anything, just because they're there.

He wants to lead a second Great Crusade into the webway, and wants to make it rain Drop Pods so hard in Commoragh that the whole city would be pounded into ash before the Space Marines even exited the pods.

He goes out of his way to not only destroy Exodite or Maiden Worlds, but throws so much ordinance at the planets that they literally shake themselves apart and turn into half-ruptured shells with their cores leaking into spaces.

He contracts the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos to build a planet-sized macrocannon that shoots starship-sized warheads through the Warp itself at Craftworlds from sectors away. Firing the weapon gives everybody in the solar system not in a shielded facility a lethal dose of radiation, but Vulkan does not care.

Every time he sees an Eldar, he goes absolutely batshit insane, homicidal rage overtaking any other possible course of action he could possibly take.

When he meets Yvraine, he throws her through a goddamn wall, and is only subdued by RG and a dozen Terminators - and even that is only long enough for her to disappear off the system.

He raids Necron Tomb Worlds, but only to raid their libraries and datacores for the locations of Eldar craftworlds and planets.

In all other ways, though, he'd be the same only Vulkan.

>>53639625
Yeah, and I don't think Dorn's going to take "Wait a minute, I gotta explain some shit" when he meets a priest of the Imperial Cult and promptly executes the poor bastard for defying the Imperial Truth.

>>53639625

>Dorn: Father, tell me what to do.
>Big E: Listen to Guilliman and help him out with whatever he needs to fix my Imperium.
>Dorn: FUCK!!!

>>53638190
You mean btfo by objective statement of fact as it always was by the most reasonable person in the setting.

Wait, what about Cypher? If it's 112 years later does that mean he's just been tooling around terra doing nothing for a century?

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>>53639721
>Yeah, and I don't think Dorn's going to take "Wait a minute, I gotta explain some shit" when he meets a priest of the Imperial Cult and promptly executes the poor bastard for defying the Imperial Truth.
The Ecclisiarchy was founded on Terra by a veteran of the Horus Heresy. Religion may not have been dominate before the Primarchs disappeared, but it was there.

>>53639673

Why does Vulkan hate Eldar so much, again?

Dark Imperium takes place in 111.M42

The time of M41 is over at last

I'm getting some serious dark mechanicum vibes from Cawl. He just seems to scream "I will betray you".

>>53639750
He ditched Terra when they got there and Gman wouldnt let him in the throne room.

>>53637033
In master of mankind the emperor summons dead legionaires of Istvaan and the heresy to come to his aid. The flaming spirits of those astartes went and fucked up some daemons, and at the head was Ferrus Manus, buttfucking demons so hard that Fulgrim would have blushed.

>>53639746
yes, but it still adds even more hypocrisy to nikea

>>53639777

Yeah, basically. The guy seems power-mad and is really skirting the line of Tech-Heresy. It seems he's just half a hair's width away from going full Fabius Bile on the geneseed stocks, although with his love of machines it's unlikely he'd start making monsters of Astartes.

>>53639726
I really want to see this, something about Dorn being anal about the rules and following orders but not liking Gorilla man is just hilarious to me.

>>53632342
Didn't the Khan call him a faggot marine fucker and dare him to have a go? I'd have said he was mid primarch tier. Good but not near the best.

>>53627459
Emps killed Horus over a random human soldier

>>53632386
If i remember right he wanted Sanguinius mostly but knew it was never going to happen.

>>53639750
Now that is fucking stupidity on a level only Ward can write. The guy gives Guilliman a way back to Terra, fights the Thousand Sons and Magnus, then Guilliman says 'He's going to fuck everyone over, although killing me would have been easier.' Then Cypher does his jail trick and to the Gullibleman it's just 'Oh, I'm just going to start a new Crusade. The Custodians can deal with it. Oh, and Custodes, I'm ordering you to send out forces instead of hunting a Space Marine that escaped, it's no big deal.'

>>53639771
Dark Eldar terrorized his home world, and are one of the few things he really, truly hates.

It would be interesting to see this "character flaw" of his be blown hugely out of proportion.

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This thread has been both informative and an interesting read, a nice change from the shitfest 40k g has been recently.
thanks lads

>>53639771
>>53639912

To add to this, the Dark Eldar also live as a complete and total anathema to the Promethean Cult, and are literally everything the Promethean Cult stands for.

Even if the Dark Eldar were people, they would be fundamentally hated by Vulkan for their cultural values. Vulkan barely tolerated Curze and the Night Lords because they share a somewhat similar mindset.

>>53631103
I think said researcher would have a fit trying to figure out how the galaxy would be affected by the loss of its black hole, plus all the warp surges, gravity tides and other fucked-up space phenomena in 40K.

>>53639912
>>53639958

What are the Promethean Cult's values, by the way? I guess fire is a big part of it, of course.

Did anybody read Adeptus Mechanicus by Rob Sanders?
I'm looking for an AdMech novel

>>53639966
No, he'd either be dead for heresy from the Empire 'Not worshiping the Emperor because you know actual science' or heresy from the Admech 'Doing actual science without crazy ass quasi religious ritual.' Either way, the guy's dead.

>>53639999
It's not bad, but there are quite a few. Titanicus is another one.

>>53639999

Have you read Zero Day Exploit and priests/lords/gods of mars?

>>53639845
Fulgrim was a perfectionist and dueling was his thing. He was nearly even with ferrus, who was a monster in a fight, while Khan was pretty even with mortarion, who was a big guy, but not super good. Fulgrim was just letting khan give the bantz.

>>53639845
The Khan said he could beat fulgrim because he was a peacock who liked to show off too much. The Khan probably could've smashed him pre-heresy, but when they fought in the imperial webway the Khan was out matched by the newly ascendent Fulgrim. Then Fulgrim just fucked off because reasons

>>53627972
I'm just reading it as him going insane after 10,000 years. Also the Emperor as being tons of shamans and decohering.

>>53639990
Rule 1
>Don't be a cunt.
Rule 2
>Be nice to your fellow man.
Rule 3
>Light things on fire.

And Deldar, being raging cunts who torture everyone in the dark dank depths of their poorly lit city, are hated by Vulkan and anathema to the cult.

>>53640057
>>53640055
Nope none of them I have heard of. Thanks for the recommendations

>>53639935
Because for whatever reason when someone mentioned using retconned fluff or liking new fluff, no one sperged out and had an autistic fit. And then the thread was nice. Funny how nature do dat

Do we know the color scheme of Unnumbered Sons?

>>53633164
I've always favored the 50/50 approach. Some technologies have simple AI. However the belief of quadrillions of human beings that they are literally alive and posses a spirit means they perform beyond what they should be capable of. The orc psychic gestalt borders on the ludicrous in regards to its ability to make seemingly non-functional machinery work. Humanity's belief is more subtle, with less of a "the laws of physics are for suckers" taste, and more the "occasionally fudge the numbers in our favor."

>>53640577

Ultramarines, with grey chevron over the chapter marking.

>>53640577
>>53640863
The color of their armor is the default of their 1st founding chapter's colors with a grey chevron over the chapter badge.

>>53640590

It makes sense. WH40K is the kind of universe where thought and feeling can alter reality. You have inert items imprinting with psychic resonance of powerful individuals and events; why wouldn't damn near everything have some sort of "soul" (read: varying degree of psychic imprint or resonance across the boundary of the Immaterium)?