Would fantasy like orcs have human rights in our world? Or would

>>53609926
We would try to exterminate them, but then everything else would try to exterminate us.
Valley Of Wonders style.

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>>53609926
Of coruse we orkz require da rite to choppas, shootas, teef, and loot!

>>53609926
ends in orc sex

>>53609926
There's a lot of kinds of orcs. You need to specify

>>53609926
What'snthat manga called again?
Been looking for it for awhile but I'm hampered by the lack of title knowledge.

>>53610000
Yes plz, I also need this for reasons.

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>>53610036
The artist is Fan No Hitori for sure.

>>53610052
>Fan No Hitori
Found it, called uprising!

>>53609926
>Would fantasy like orcs have human rights in our world?

Germany and Sweden would certainly love them.

>>53609951
I understand everyone has their own opinion, but your's is a pile of steaming shit. Orcs are violent creatures that are uncultured and raid other groups for sport and they find it easier to steal food and weapons then make their own. Orcs are disgusting creatures that would of been exterminated in our world for the way they act and visually differences. A human from any part of the world still looks like a human, but an orc is an orc. It would look like a demon in our eyes, and as I stated multiple times, we would try and most likely succeed in Orc genocide.
If i had a gif of the Rambo scene when they throw a baby into a burning building for shits and giggles, I would of used that as reference to what humans would do to orcs.

>>53610169
If there are Orcs then there might be multiple other species they might be in league with.
Orcs warn the Demons who then warn the Undead, etc.
And if humanity is truly capable of genocide, without a shadow of a doubt nor feeling of remorse, there would be a lot less people, far less.

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>>53610355
No. OP stated that fantasy orcs on Earth. No other magical creature, just orcs.
>And if humanity is truly capable of genocide, without a shadow of a doubt nor feeling of remorse, there would be a lot less people, far less.
Are you arguing with me that humanity isn't capable of genocide? Are you also forgetting that modern medical advancements and modern law are the main reasons why our population is still rising. There are about 131 million births per year and sadly there's only around 55 million people die each year. If not for modern law or medicine, then the death rate per year would far higher, which would actually be a good thing in the end run. Less people, more resources to use. I digress though, because I'm still stumped with your statement of genocide. Are you saying that humanity, as a whole, is not capable of genocide?

>>53609926
Depends how human they are on a scale from abbo to H. erectus.

Doujins where the woman ends the story as a mind-broken breeding sow make me uncomfortable, but it does make me curious.

Are there any doujins where the woman *breaks* the mindbreak and has a Good End, or where they're rescued and recover?

>>53610355
You make it sound like this is comparable.

Plenty of people who would hate hurting a person would kill orcs without any qualms whatsoever. If anything valuing human life means you are more likely to want to kill orcs.

>>53611139
Silver dragon. Beware its a multiwork series of high octane rape and mindbreaking.

>>53609926
warhammer orks?
hell no, they are a threat

TES orcs?
probably, they can get along pretty well

>>53611155
Depends on the time period, tribal societies from Bronze to Viking Age had no qualms about annihilating entire cultures, the West Saxons certainly did it with the Britons and the Danes gave an honest effort with the West Saxons, but once you get into organized kingdoms or nation-states it simply becomes cumbersome, if not impossible, to do so.

What I'm saying is the best way to wipe out the Orcish tribes is to be a stronger tribe of Humans.

>>53611166
Thanks!

>Implying I would go into reading a Good End mindbreak without knowing there will be a lot of bad shit going down.

How high-octane are we talking, anyway? Constant sex or straight up birthing and breeding like Uprising?

>>53609926
Ask the Neanderthals

>>53611197
>the West Saxons certainly did it with the Britons
Then why do the Welsh still exist?

>>53611197
The Saxons and the Danes did not genocide anybody any more than the Normans did, they just replaced the rulers and brought some level of new immigrants.

>>53611057
I'm saying humanity is capable of genocide, but morally obligated not too commit genocide.
>No other magical creatures, just orcs.
Well damn, if it's modern humanity we're referring to, then the people would probably prefer the option that is peace.

>>53611241
Because their lands were too poor and wild to be worth invading, Wales is not a forgiving place. To say the Saxons failed because the Welsh still exist is like saying the Americans failed to wipe out the Native Americans because the reservations still exist, the Britons as they were known are fucking gone.

>>53611218
Its old school. The most deviant thing it has is mindbreaking by tentacle machine.

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>>53610169

Orcs are only good for manuel labor and maybe house duties (as long as you keep and eye on them to stop them stealing the silverware)

Almost every setting shows orcs differently so basically what you're asking is similar to questions like "why are women sluts", that is a r9k, autistic, oversimplifying and retarded.

So a good summary of /tg/ mentality.

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>>53609926
Have I got the memes for you!

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>>53611655
>not manflesh
one job, anon

>>53611733
That would be cultural appropriation, anon.

>>53611655
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>>53611721
These are bad, and you should feel bad for posting them.

>>53611764
>cultural appropriation
Still surprised that they're attacking restaurants for cultural appropriation now. When I was a kid that was listed as a positive for the whole melting pot idea.

Get out of here, /pol/. /tg/ is better than your retarded political analogues.

>>53611786
I dunno, I had a giggle.

>>53611796
People realized the melting pot actually destroys cultures and want to preserve them yet somehow make them live together harmoniously. It's all very confused.

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>>53611721
These were quite amusing. Saved.

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>>53609926
>germans being cucks
What a fucking surprise - even the Nips understand now

>>53609926
Depends on the Orcs

>>53611813
>/pol/
>not /h/

>>53609926
You presume that the question isn't "would fantasy-like humans have orcish rights in our world? Or would they have been hunted down and exterminated a long time ago?"

>>53611139
I know of at least one doujin where the woman is thrown in to be raped by the tentacle monster, but the tentacle monster is too embarrassed and nice to have sex with her. So she first teaches it how to have sex and not be afraid of her, then the two of them team up to take out the orcs that threw her in to the dungeon in the first place.

Basically a good end for all involved parties.

Can't remember the name, though...

>>53609926
>Would fantasy like orcs have human rights in our world? Or would they have been hunted down and exterminated a long time ago?

Why don't you ask Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo floresiensis, nd Homo sapiens denisova for how well they coexist with Homo sapiens sapiens?

Oh, that's right. They're all fucking extinct.

/thread

>>53612224
Tentacle Training, I believe.

>>53611197
> tribal societies from Bronze to Viking Age had no qualms about annihilating entire cultures

Yes, they did, if for no other reason than the time and investment of energy and resources involved using the available level of technology would have been absurd.

But the morals were just basically different. It was okay to constantly be at war with someone else - war was seen as the natural state of things - but actually wiping out your enemy down to the last man, woman, and child was seen as utterly debased and evil.

>>53612258
Going by the accounts of what the first guys who discovered iron did I kind of doubt it.

That said, killing off the women instead of taking them captive was generally seen as a waste.

>>53612227
>h. heidelbergensis

Evolved into h. sapiens and h. neanderthalensis.

>h. neanderthalensis

Crossbred with humans.

>h. floresiensis

Extinction probably didn't have anything to do with humans as much as isolation on their island once the land bridges were flooded.

>h. sapiens denisova

Interbred with humans and Neanderthals.

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>>53612246
Yup, that's the one. Good times.

>>53612227
Well we fucked a bunch of them carrying their genes to this day after they were wiped out largely due to environmental factors. So...very Well?

>>53611261
My apologizes. Modern man I can see preferring and trying to go with peace, but ending with violence if the orcs don't assimilate (or at least act civil) to our culture. Sadly, I see humanity in a poorer light then most. Not saying I hate humanity, I'm just saying that take what makes modern humanity happy and we'll go back to being violent apes hating each other because we're not the same tribe.

>>53610169
Take everything you just said. That's how elves see humans. If we then display the capabilities necessary to commit genocide of an entire species, who's to say they won't decide we're too dangerous to keep alive? Hell, who's to say they won't find it safest to help the orcs to ensure we're wiped out?

>>53611786
Don't be a fucking faggot, why must there always be one faggy sjw in a thread.

>>53612476
More like...better than total extinction. The won the boobie prize in survival. Being bread out of existence so only traces of your genes are floating around in the future.

>>53609926
We exterminate people of our own race and deny them human rights based on their gender , race, sexual orientation, disabilities , religion or football team.

You can be sure as fuck we'd exterminate big ugly green aliens.

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>>53609926
Orcs adapt by turning to the shadows and getting hired by governments to make horrible things like barbed wire, weapons, and oh so many methods of torture.

>>53609926
>Would fantasy like orcs have human rights in our world?

Modern day real world? They would. They shouldn't, but they would.

Dial the era back even 100 years, and the answer would be "No, they'd all be systematically wiped out", which is the sane thing to do. But people today prefer shining their halos to their own survival for some reason.

>>53611973
>Thinking UK is going to get any help from US.
>Thinking UK will have any leverage in negotiations.
UK is going to get fucked.

>>53615428
Don't you mean fUKed?

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>>53611655
pol knock it off

>>53614997
>bread out of existence

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>>53611260
>The Saxons and the Danes did not genocide anybody any more than the Normans did, they just replaced the rulers and brought some level of new immigrants.

It's funny how paranoid the Anglos are about waves of invading immigrants exterminating and replacing the natives since North America was about the only place where that actually happened.

>>53609926
>building ius the Porta Nigra in Trier
>broken pseudo-German on the signs
works out

>>53615797
>waves of invading immigrants exterminating and replacing the natives since North America was about the only place where that actually happened.
Britain's entire indigenous population dates back to the complete replacement of its Neolithic population.
http://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/05/10/the-bronze-age-demographic-transformation-of-britiain/

>>53612466
Sequel never. Kill me.

>>53616078
Also I would add that it was never cool when SJWs appropriated Harry Potter in their political bitching. Why would it be ok for the Alt-Right to misuse LotR, a series about multiple races teaming up against a relatively homogeneous evil, for their own brand of political bullshit?

>>53609926
Sauce? When was this made?

>>53616078
I agree, orcs are fundamentally raiding, raping, murderous monsters. Muslims are still people and can still be reasoned with.

>>53611786

Hits a little too close to home?

>>53615324

I blame the dwarves

>>53609926

That depends whether orc + human civilizations are at all possible.

If Orcs and humans can live side by side, we likely have shared laws. A lot of laws would then apply personhood to orcs, because the alternative would be a legal nightmare where Orcs can't commit murder because they are not people.

If orcs and humans living together NEVER works, and the relationship is always hostile, they wouldn't be subject to our laws and as such our laws probably don't cover them. They would likely become the de-facto enemy to rally against, making them politically too useful to ever actually exterminate.

Think Hitler rallying the Nazi's against the jews, but in this timeline IGNORING the jews and rallying against the orcs instead. What matters to such rallying cries is that there exists an 'other' to pit the people against, not really who that other really is. There wouldn't be any consequences to demonizing orcs, so it would happen way more often than dehumanizing fellow humans.

We have niggers which are essentially the same thing

>>53616477

Don't you have homework to finish?

>>53616488
Excuse me?

>>53614753
The elves would if they could.

>>53616078
Sure, but the more likely scenario is them becoming MORE evil, not less.

>>53616264
> a series about multiple races teaming up against a relatively homogeneous evil
This is wrong in a lot of ways.
Lotr is basically about Men taking up stewardship of the world as the elves left and the dwarves delved further and further into jewitude. The war was fought by majority Men.
Meanwhile, Sauron's forces had orcs, uruk hai, goblin, haradrim, easterlings, corsairs, black numenoreans, trolls and goddamn everything that goes bump in the night. Sauron's forces were hardly homogenous unless you were some moviefag.

>>53611139
Well, there's this, but it mightn't exactly be what you're looking for.
https://exhentai.org/g/626342/d7db8c8d99/

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>>53614997
Are you sure that it's their genes that are gonna be the runner-ups if they assimilate and breed, though...?

>>53616555
Homework motherfucker, go finish it.

>>53617178
Nice meme

Depends on the setting. But generally, no. Orcs are always aligned with chaos and would be fought against constantly. Imagine ISIS but with even more loyal and fanatical soldiers.

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>>53609926
>Believing In human rights

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>>53616809
>orcs, uruk hai, goblin
These are all just orcs.

>haradrim, easterlings, corsairs, black numenoreans
And these are all just humans.

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>>53616341
>orcposting is unironically embraced by /pol/
What went wrong?

>>53618498
/pol/ is back to what it has always been and always will be.

Retarded 12-year old memers memeing.

Reminder that orcs as envisioned by Tolkien are the force of technological process and industrialization. In our world, orcs would be making memes about how humies dindu nuffin and wuz kangs and shit.

>>53618764
Fuck Tolkien.

>>53618498
man, the stormfag is undeniable stupid but the post at the bottom made a couple of comments that are full of shit

>>53618764
Orcs represent abuse and excessive force, in this case shown through destruction of environment. Also, they present the threat of over-industrialization where everything is shitty and disposable, but readily available - their weapons and armor are shit, but for every legendary elven or dwarven sword, they can make 10000 shitty ones.

>>53619334
So the Orcs are China?

>>53619132
Like which ones. They all fit.

>>53609926
You are, I assume, aware that your two options are not mutually exclusive, yes?
In today's world they would probably be afforded the same basic rights as humans. A long time ago we would have waged war upon them until either they or we were extinct.

>>53615428
Reminder that the EU is the only thing that stopped the UK government from enacting china level internet censorship laws.

>>53619392
I've noticed I was mistaken and I've read it wrong, but to clarify:
I just get triggered, to put it some way, when I see people talking shit about middle ages/medieval, more exactly his comment of
>all technological, scientific, cultural and phisolophical advancement stops
but know I've re-read it and realized that I made a mistake and he was referring to how stormfags believe outside their kingdoms there is no advancement, not that "there is no advancement whatsoever"

also on a minor note accusing someone of "they just do what they believe/hold to be universal" is a bit of a bullshit because why would anyone act on account of anything but what they believe in?

>>53619065
Nah, fuck YOU

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>>53619504
No, fuck YOU!

>>53611381
Nah, you can't trust them around the house, they might figure out their physical strength outmatches you, and club your head in with a candelabra and escape. Best to keep them as slave vanguard shock troops, and working down in the mines, away from polite society. Of course, there's always the risk with those of a rebellion, but then, you aren't giving them the best weapons to do it with, and that's why we have our elite human soldiers.

orcs are not entitled to asimov laws

they can eat shit

>>53619479
I think this is a reading comprehension issue again. If referring to the line I think you're referring to, the assertion is that /pol/tards believe humanity has some objective goal, and this objective goal is based on the /pol/tard's own subjective beliefs. In other words, they're assuming their beliefs are objective reality, and that people act in furtherance or opposition to the /pol/tard's view of the ultimate destiny of humanity rather than just acting in accordance with their personal beliefs.

>>53619065
Fuck off Moorcock.

>>53619669
There is no difference between a stornfag /pol/ack and an SJW desu

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>>53619539
NO, FUCK YOU!

>>53619737
Kindly go fuck yourself, Sir.

>>53619729
I mean, there is one big difference. SJWs aren't trying to colonize 4chan right now.

>>53619767
Wait, you're not actually taking this seriously, right? Well then FUCK YOU!!

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>>53618764
>Reminder that orcs as envisioned by Tolkien are the force of technological process and industrialization

Friendly reminder that Tolkien despised industrialization as he witnessed first hand what a truly mechanized war can do to Humanity.

Everyone here must realize that Tolkien was a sensitive man. He was a writer and linguist, someone who took great pride in learning the old Anglo-Saxon epics and undoubtedly spent long hours ruminating over the beautiful imagery of green forests and greener fields, where men wore gleaming armor and songs were played by harp to crowds around large fires. That was what Tolkien saw as paradise, but what did he see in his world? Smoke rising from great brick towers against gray, dreary skies that spat acid rain on fierce, miserable faces that scuttled like rodents to work or beer, where a bit of green was luxury or worse, a thing to be conquered. Tolkien hated that. Tolkien despised that. He saw the sooty-faces of factory workers and he saw Orcs. He saw people carving into green hillsides and he saw Isengard.

He went to war and saw firsthand how *efficient* the world had become at killing people, and that horrified him. He wanted to dream of a world that was in his stories, where the Brandywine feeds gently into the Shire, which was by all accounts his vision of an idyllic pastoral countryside; the people weren't hippies living in trees, but they certainly weren't Sharky ripping up the ground for smarmy stones that belched death into the air.

If you want a vision of Tolkien's mind in the book, take a look at Faramir, who was effectively Tolkien's self-insert besides Beren. He was a sensitive man forced into war and discovered he hated the taste. He was like Eowyn in that, and when the pair met in the House of Healing they found themselves in love... And what did Faramir, and Eowyn wish to do? Become healers, to give up the sword and live in nature.

Tolkien couldn't wish for anything more.

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>>53619770
>what is /co/

>>53619940
A board almost as irrelevant as /tg/

>>53615797
So then why should America-born Anglos repeat the mistakes of the natives? Are you saying we should commit collective suicide?
>this is what the left actually believes

>>53620014
Nice backpedaling
>they're not trying to colonize 4chan
>o-okay they are BUT NOT A BOARD I CARE ABOUT

>>53620174
Not the same anon desu.

>>53619940
I don't know, I don't visit /co/. But I can't even browse the porn boards anymore without someone shitposting in the brown girl threads.

>>53619890
Unfortunately, it won't stop some people from thinking he was a pansy treehugger who REEEEE'd at the slightest bit of industry.

>>53619890
>He was like Eowyn in that

I thought Eowyn loved war?

>>53609926
That was a good fap, thanks for reminding me of it OP

If orcs existed they would've easily dominated the human race.

>>53620274
There will always be people who want to be contrarian shits that will shitpost in a thread over how much they hate the thing. That's a 4chan thing, not a /pol/ thing.

>>53620328
You... You do realize Eowyn's only taste of combat was on the Pellenor Fields, right? Before that all she had to go by as a war coolness "gauge" was song, stories, and second-hand accounts. She glorified war as it was told to her, not how it was.

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how did they first react to the Orcs in Shadowrun?

>>53609926
Going off the common reaction from stuff like the London attacks and ignorance regarding crime in inner cities I would say yes, they would be given rights and probably other stuff like insurance benefits.

>>53618498
Stormfront got dragged back to 4chan due to /b/ raids and then undertook a long term effort to subvert the news and later politics portions of the site. Moot refused to leave /n/ and then /new/ dead after killing them for becoming /stormfront/

>>53621605
moot brought them back because he realized he was being hypocritical after he criticized Encyclopedia Dramatica's (then) owner for taking down the site because it had stuff she found personally offensive. So, even though moot disagreed with the politics on /new/, he brought it back because he still believed in absolute freedom of speech on this site at this time.

>>53621728
And look where that got the site. It was a mistake.

>>53621410

Depends on where in the world the folks were at when goblinization happened. Some places treated it like a plague, but stopped quarantined after it was discovered that there wasn't anything dangerous. Other countries, like Japan, rounded up all the trolls and orcs and such into internment camps and such while they worked everything out. It wasn't anything too crazy, though, since something similar had happened a few years before that produced the dwarves and elves.

>>53621742
Probably. But what's done is done. To be honest, I think the onset of generals was worse for 4chan's health as a whole. And also being able to provide reasons for reports I guess.

>>53609926
They would immigrate to Western Europe, live off benefits, and sporadically rape/murder people.

>>53621810
In any case both are more or less irreversible at this point, even if generals were banned or /pol/ removed the impact on the site's culture has been done.

They'd probably enslave humanity for a century or so, then spend another century legally treating humans like second class citizens, then spend the third century arguing whether or not we were their intellectual inferiors or deserving of orcish rights.

>>53609926
Well irl we outcompeted into extinction all our similar humanoid competition.
If orcs weren't directly wiped out or subsumed into our genetics if compatible like neanderthals then they'd probably be forced onto reservations or some other geographic ghetto.
Legal rights and protections would probably vary somewhat by region but again looking to real life things like cultural acceptance and discrimination could be the bigger varying factor.

Of course as others point out "fantasy orks" is a rather wide scale.

>>53611381
It's very easy to imagine them enslaved. Humans will look for any factor of race or culture to categorise people as less than human and ok to be enslaved.
Ironically, widespread slavery of orcs might do the most for maintaining a sizable population of orcs into the modern day where they'd have a better chance winning their rights assuming a somewhat similar world.

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>>53610118
>Germany and Sweden would certainly love them.
Especially since they already import them by the truckload.

>>53609926
Depends entirely on if (when given the opportunity) they can act like people or vermin.

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>>53615797
>It's funny how paranoid the Anglos are about waves of invading immigrants exterminating and replacing the natives since North America was about the only place where that actually happened.
Yes, we're very good at it and we'd prefer to keep the monopoly on that crown.

>>53618498
>>orcposting is unironically embraced by /pol/
>What went wrong?
It's a convenient vector to comedically get normies thinking with proven results at both flgs and 'conservadad' types who have seen the movies. Neurons get crossed, seeds get planted, .etc

We basically gravitate towards whatever works; that's why most of us end up on sites like this these days anyway.

t conservadad.

>>53615213
That's something that often gets forgotten amongst modern "noble savage" depictions, tolkien orcs were quite industrially/mechanically inclined. It's easy to imagine them taking the place of factory and construction workers in an industrial world.

Kinda ironic given all the ranting about modern liberal dindu bs ruining how orcs "should" be.

>>53624639
>make this joke with a nord bandit and white people
>omg how horrible I guess liberal niggers are the real violent bigots!

>>53611237
underrated post right here

>>53625318
its socially acceptable to joke about dead rednecks though

>>53615428
UK can gain leverage by puting all europeans living on their soil into camps and promising to kill thousand a day untill EU signs everyhting UK wants.

>>53628961
Outisde of the fact that it's a retarded idea, you know there's something like 1,2 million UK citizens living in EU countries, right?