Tyranids 8th edition

Its all on paper, but it looks good.

My nidzilla is going to hit the table again.

What are the leaks?

>>53551485
Gimme some time to trim them and upload

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>>53551485

>https://mega.nz/#!u4VASSDR!AOLk2_SlJdKXq0B1B4uKXlnUt6pUYVUljcUrKuE_XtQ

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>>53551548
Ah this saves me posting, thanks!

Has any 8th edition flufff been released or is it all rules etc

>>53552160
You seen the one that in baal after killing BAs and successor chapters Guilliman appears and kills half and then Chaos eats the rest?
Good times!

>>53552241
Its just written with 0 detail or anything interesting

The ass pull where that bloodthirsters kills the ENTIRE hive fleet while guilliman wipes the rest... kinda sucks

>>53551548
Thanks! This is legible.

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>>53551345
>Whats everyones views on the big bugs
it all looks good or possibly good, except that I've got difficulties fitting the hive crone, the toxicrene and the mawloc into any role when the harpy, the haruspex and the biovores exist


I see a very reliable tactic in equipping half a gaunt unit with devourers so the other half can get shot and refueled by the tervigons while providing number bonuses and protection.

a screamer killer carnifex looks way more reliable than a crushfex to me

I'm preoccupied terrain rules will hamper all plans of deep strike charges with the -2" malus


I'm currently looking at the sporocyst in hope of a purpose

>>53552496
Problem I see with sporocyst is it can be deepstriked but it has to be 9" away from an enemy and its HUGE, its gonna be very hard to place that, apart from that it works as a forward synapse beacon/ gun magnet/ stationary biovore really

Speaking of which, not sure how I feel on biovore change, chances are its only wounding 1 unit per turn, instead of a blast, however its a mortal wound... but if it misses it just makes 1 spore.

Also nice to note, spore mines that are within 3" of an enemy at the end of charge phase, explode, so you don't even have to charge, just drift over there, that's nice

Do you have to pay for the replacements termagants spawned by a tervigon? the rule is a bit muddled since you do not replace a unit that was destroed.
if you spawn a new unit then yes obviously you pay.

>>53552712
The rule about paying points only mentions created units not reinforced ones.

>>53552773
that is how I read it but it also says replace.
maybe my confusion comes from not being native speaker.

>>53552852
even when it talks about replacing it always refers to an unit, not a model

other armies, like chaos, have models that get removed and replaced with a bigger unit, or multiple smaller ones; I think it would trigger in cases like the old endless swarm too.

>>53552712
You pay for spawning a new unit. You don't pay for reinforcing an existing one. You can't reinforce a destroyed unit.

>>53552968
Sweet. Its theory hammmer. But I'm thinking 30 gaunts with tervigon and veneomthrope support is going to be a really hard to shift objective camper/anchor unit, especially if they can get in some cover as well.

>>53553286
Also fun to use mixed gaunt units have 10 with devourers chilling back and 20 replenishing cannon fodder in front of them.
Enjoy the rerolls from the tervigon, -1 to hit from venoms and potential fnp.
It does come around 480 pts or so though

>>53553286
Venoms are now required to be in a unit of 3. Do you think they'll be worth running if you can't spread them throughout your army?

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>>53551345
Tyranids are cute.

Have there been any Necron leaks yet?

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>>53553813
No. Nothing was leaked and the 166 posts in the 8th edition necron thread are all discussing void.

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>>53551523
So, no new units?

Funny, if my math is correct Exocrines are better than Rupture Cannon Tyrannofexes against Land Raiders and every vehicle with equal or lower toughness and saves (assuming both stationary) even with ignoring the BS boost rule.

>>53554081
Care to share the math?

Termagant weapons. Any reason to take spike rifles? Seems like keeping them cheap with straight flesh borers will be the way to go.

Anyone planning on running some eccentric combos with termagants?

>>53554372
I'm running 2 squads of 15 Devourers with 15 Fleshborers. Gonna keep replenishing the Fleshborers with the Tervigon while keeping the Devilgaunts in the rear.

>>53554248

It's pretty simple with exorcine, S7 AP-2 damage 2 with 12 shots when stationary

Tyrannofex is a bit more complex because of the buff when both shots hit
16 possible outcomes when shooting stationary
1 involves a double double hit
4 involve a double hit and a hit
2 involve a double hit and two misses
4 involve two hits but no double hits
4 involve a single hit
1 involves a double miss


The average result from stationary shooting is basically 16x S10 AP-4 dmg d6 hits (all the "double hit" hits combined) plus 16x S10 AP-1 dmg 2 hits (single hits combined), divided by 16

>>53554434

ap-3 with Exo*

>>53554038
No new units for anyone yet.
The idea is to make sure that every race and all their pre-existing models are translated across into 8th first.

>>53551573

Wait

You need 3 Tyrant guard for a unit?

no more minimum of 1-3 and shit?

Fuck i only have 1 model

>>53554081
Not sure how you got that. I got:
>Rupture cannon
2.83 wounds per turn on average (shooting twice at a Land Raider)
>Exocrine
2.67 wounds per turn on average (shooting twice with stationary BS boost at a Land Raider)

The Exocrine is still massively superior because the Land Raider is the Rupture Cannon's best case scenario. The Exocrine will perform comparatively better against every single other model in the game.

>>53554939
Oops, nevermind, I had the Exocrine at AP -2. It's AP -3 so that's 3.56 wounds per turn on average. Tyrannofex a shit.

What about GSC? did we see them?

How do they fit into Tyranids, can we still ally them in?

>>53555204
yes and yes.
The 40 general has a megalink with all the leaks in pdfs you can check them there

Real talk, how is the pyrovore in 8th?

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How does this look for a 'my first 40k' list? Going up against my friend's primaris-from-the-box list. Also would like some future proofing when I expand my army

>>53551534
>Scything Talons actually do thing again
Oh swee...
>You must attack with them meaning they don't work in tandem with other weapons
T-thanks GW....

>>53555606
It's a good start for only 500 pts, but you should drop half of the Devourers on the Termagants for Adrenal glands on the Hormagaunts.

Anyone got the maleceptor pages?

>>53555315
Heavy flamer shooting weapon and st5 ap-3 melee weapon. Every time it loses a wound in melee it has a 1/6 chance to inflict a mortal wound on the enemy. 50% chance to cause mortal wound on enemy unit upon its death.

Ought to be nasty as a suicide squad. I'm actually happy with them now. They're really close shock troops now.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13087891

>>53551534
I like how Swarmy's degredation table slowly turns him into a regular Tyrant in S and Attacks

>>53555883
4th ed

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I'm new here but I was lurking 40kgs for a while. Are Nids finally at least on paper playable? I don't want to play ultra-competitive or make a waacfag shit but also don't really want to run a one-list-army as my first army ever.

Also if yes, is pic related good way to start nids army in 8e? Is there any way to run bugs on budget? Maybe elite army would be cheaper than swarm one?
I'm torn between few options so I will appreciate any tips

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Soon

>>53556463
Nids were always playable. For god's sake the winner of LVO ran a nid list. They just weren't winning everything so people said they were shit. That being said, you can have whatever you want on a budget by buying secondhand. The Starter kit +Brood Progenitor is a great start, But I dunno if the HT in the kit has wings/swarmlord attachments so you may want to research that. Just build 500 or so points at a time or else you'll be burnt out on painting little guys and you'll have 90 fucking gaunts to paint like I do.

>>53556483
You can probably do some badass 40k squat kitbashing with that new AOS faction

>>53556584
Flyrant alone not a faction make.

>>53556790
I didn't say that they played like they do in the fluff. I'm super excited for the changes that are being made and Tyranids are going to be a lot better and fluffy armies will be way more viable, but the faction itself was playable in 7th Edition. It just wasn't playable in a way anyone wanted.

>>53554517
Ok, didnt knew that. But these leaks are not final books i guess.
Because if they release that and later add new units, you have to hunt these sheets to be update who you might be fighting.

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>>53554081
The thing about the exocrine is if it does move it'll be hitting on 5s on account of its weapon being heavy. So unless you manage to get through the entire game without moving its not actually that great.

>>53557138
36" range will make that easier than it sounds. Casting the Onslaught power on it will also make it busted as "advancing" is not considered moving in 8th Edition.

>>53551345
Their monsters are good and scary, their hordes seem like they'll actually be able to run up and eat dudes

their shootiness is meh, but that's not what they're about

>>53556998
Squats BTFO

They will never be anything more than tyranid fodder

>>53556998
Brutal.

>>53553760
>Girl detected

>>53553477
True but I do like the idea of venom covering a reinforcing gaunt squad, enemy will NEED to kill 11 or more gaunts per turn or wound the other 2 (who will behind gaunts) to do anything

>>53554838
Apparently, and you can have 6 guarding 1 tyrant, fuck knows why so many

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>>53551573
Just in case people want the rest

>>53557516
So your brain bug doesn't die against hero units, your guards die first

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>>53557605
If you wanna spend the points buying SIX tyrant guard for 1 hive tyrant, go for it

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>>53557833
page 14 was a duplicate whoops

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>>53556463
>>53556584
Tyrant has wings and everything in the starter.
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>>53552773
Where can I find the mention that you need to pay for those termagants?

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU All the books

>>53557940
Well, they are all not working for me

>>53556584
>But I dunno if the HT in the kit has wings/swarmlord attachments so you may want to research that
It has
https://youtu.be/3ICp2J7dLeQ?t=1m15s

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>>53557990
Fug, hive mind

So old one eye benefits from his own Alpha rule? 3+ to hit with claws and 2+ with talons?! Im excited

>>53557618
>Venomthrope shroud is 3"
Oh for fucks sake. One thing I always hated in the 6th ed was how tightly together you had to play your army. 8" Synapse and this are gonna be annoying. Thank god Tyrants have a proper Synapse

>>53557598
>zoans have 3++ save
>maleceptor only has 5++
>only does 1 mortal wound per unit
WHY
If they wanted to be more fluffy it should have been a 3++ warp field and D3 mortalnwounds per unit. The things were fucking horrifying in shield of Baal

>>53558387
That's everyone now. Characters and support units have a 3" aura, maybe 6" for some HQ if the aura is crap or if it only affects one unit. The fact that the Tyrant even gets 12" on Synapse puts it among the top tier characters.

>>53558387
Luckily no templates or blasts I guess and lack of synapse is no where NEAR as punishing as it was

I feel your frustration though

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>>53551345
for melee tyrants, monster rending claws is looking to be ridiculous.

here's Htyrant Vs T7 3+ Save (Rhino)

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I am at a loss anons, I need your help to decide.

I have: 1 Hive Tyrant, 2 Carnifexes, 3 Warriors, 3 Hive Guards, 10 Gargoyles and 20 Termagants

What would be a good investment? Trygon? Exocrine? I really like the idea of Nidzilla

>>53558687
The new IB feels cheap, but it's noway as terrible as the previous was. God, you can SEE on almost every page that there was some poor sod who had to fix the shit stain that Cruddace made. Reading this feels me with such a bizarre and alien feeling

>>53558896
i'd suggest figuring out your troop choices and detachments and go from there.

>>53558896
Trygon if you are planning to get Genestealers or more Warriors. Exocrine if not. Get more Carnifexes if you can. Nothing will make your dick harder than a table full of Carnifexes

>>53558853
Wait am I reading that wrong, dual scythes look mathematically better?

>>53558953
yes, i forgot to display total wounds for monster claws which is 4.32. the cost efficiency total in blue for it is still correct.

>>53558986
Its cheaper than dual scythes too since it costs literally 0 and 31 for 1 scythe

>>53559028
right, thats why i used the base cost of the tyrant rather than 0 in the calculation.

against a single T7-T11 3+Sv, monster rending claws are better and only takes one slot

>>53558925

Figuring out my troop choices? I have a squad of warriors and two termagant squads plus 6 ripper bases. What do you mean?

>>53558948

I don't like Genestealers, but I want to run my current warrior squad with the Trygon.

Exocribe is obsolete you mean?
And are carnifexes really this good? I understand they got cheaper and are tanky, but hitting on 4s doesn't make them particularly killy?

>>53553477

Why would you put the devilgants in back? The owner picks removed models now, you can take them from the back. Maximize the range on the devourers.

>>53555675

You can divide your attacks between your weapons however you wish. It's not all or nothing anymore.

>>53559249
Not that guy, but I'd want the Fleshborers in front because of their shorter range. They may not do a ton, but I'd rather get them into firing range rather than have them be wasted points.

>>53559153
>Exocribe is obsolete you mean?
It wasn't back when it came and with 36" range it's definitely not obsolete.
>And are carnifexes really this good?
No, but they look cool in large numbers. Besides, they are a little bit tougher/faster, cheaper and killier with their new HoW and A4 attacks

Since Rending claws only take a slot we might see Claws+Ranged biomorph be the predominant build for "melee" tyrants

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>>53556463
Also newbie here - thought about same set as this Anon.
How should I actually build Tyranids? Not gonna lie - have no idea about the game right now and the immensity of weapons and gear options is overwhelming

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>>53559488
forgot my picture

>>53559488
>>53559512
I can finally do that Hive Tyrant with the claws of the Spawn of Cryptus

>>53552330
Ho anon, you should know we are just a glorified waste compactor as long as the setting go, just here to eat what GW want to disapear.

>>53559451

Excuse my spelling and thanks for your answer.

I also really like Carnifexes, I guess I'm going to focus more on them when my army is a bit more varied.

I guess I should just say fuck it and go for both, a Trygon and an Exocrine.

I really like the idea of a winged Hive Tyrant escorted by a squad of gargoyles, a Trygon unborrowing with Warriors, while the Exocrine shoots the enemy to death and Carnifexes advancing.

I'm so happy Tyranids got their deserved place.

Would a melee-only horde work? I'm thinking mainly Hormagaunts, few squads of Genestealers, scything talon Warriors for synapse and some Carnifexes.

is it just me or is the lictor abolutely underwhelming and kind of useless ?
not enough strenght to pop up tanks, not enough attacks to delet weak targets, ...
also fexes jobbing to tank is weird

Hu, I'm probably retarded but : did I miss something or the Bone Sabre don't do anything special anymore ?

>>53559949
Well they are cheap as fuck might as well sprinkle one in for attacking heroes or holding objectives, but...You want a Lictor to punch tanks open..?

Go and read the fluff for what a lictor actually is and come back to me.

>>53557779
How exactly does a sporocyst attack or lash out in death throes?

>>53559861
Add a few Zoans for synapse and Onslaught

>>53560084
Well it is technically a monstrous creature.

>>53560084
Does it not have tendrils or something? No idea

The new rules look good. Devourers with Brain Leech Worms are right the fuck out though. I think that Melee flyrants will be more viable.
Since there's no more "allies" and you need to share faction keywords to bring units together and Genecult get to bring IG detachments, I expect we'll be seeing lists that are a mix of Nids, Cults, and IG a lot.

>>53560084
With it's huge, barbed tendrils?

>>53560300
>tfw you never fell for the Brain-leech memehype and just ran melee Tyrants or primes.

Those guys who bought the FW upgrade kit got cucked hard.

I stopped playing 40k some time between 3rd and 4th. Was going to get back in just before 7th ed dropped and I was SO glad that I waited for the codex to come out... took one look at it and immediately decided I can wait until a new edition to play 'nids and it looks like my patience has paid off.

I absolutely despised the TL Devourer Flyrant meta, really hope a footslogging tyrant will be more viable now.

>>53560432

>tfw you magnetised your tyrants torso and arms so it doesn't matter

I feel bad for anyone who plays an army like tyranids and doesn't magnetise their minis

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Am I doing it right?

>>53560582
No, Rending claws are a better option on melee tyrants in almost every way and cheaper/free.

You can even give them an additional ranged monster bio-weapon without losing melee output

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>>53560617
fixed?

>>53560683
looking better, you might want to make the stealers into one unit of 20, so you can get the bonus to +1A and you can also cast catalyst on them as a whole instead of one at a time.

>>53557598
>Hive Tyrant
>2 Powers a turn

>The Psychic Monster
>1

why

>>53554838
Matched play is different bro

>>53560084
shooting and proving your waifu is objectively shit

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>>53560432
>>53560523


>Tfw you kitbashed your TL Devourers from Deathspitters so you can use the new Deathspitter with Slimer Maggots weapon instead.

>>53560728
That's fair. Works better with the idea I had of running the list in waves.
Waves A+B: one unit of gants followed by a tyrant
Wave C: Blob of stealers and broodlord

>>53560782
because none truly understands what most of the horribly designed shit that came out recently was supposed to fit in the army

ffs the monstrous venomthrope doesn't even have the monstrous spore cloud and isn't synaptic, for some strange reason.

>tfw rending claws is the new best kit for the tyrant

Why is it always the stuff that doesnt come in the box that ends up being the best?

The swarmlord's legendary bone sabres are only slightly better than a pair of monstrous bone swords, maybe worse due to that extra attack. WTF geedubs.

>>53551345
why are boneswords objectively inferior to power swords when they were practically comparable to force swords

>>53560971
Hu, not the only one that find this weird.>>53560002

>>53560971
i think some of the rules for bonesabres are rolled into the swarmlord to prevent bloat in the weapon description.

i see them as +2A +2S (D6)D and +1 melee invul save over boneswords

How to play Tyranids in 8th:

Step 1: Take 80 genestealers
Step 2: You've already won.

>>53561142
erm i cocked that one up

BoneSabres
+2A +2S -3AP (D6)D +1 invul save

Bone swords
+1A +0S -2AP 3D

atleast until we get a FAQ on if multiple pairs of +1 attack weapons give you additional attacks per pair.

>>53561104
That's some excessive Tyrant Guard, my man. You could almost afford a Swarmlord for the cost of all those guys.

>>53561104
why so many tyrant guards with a flyrant?

So am I crazy or is a Neurothrope free? It's not listed anywhere on the points list. If so why would you ever not take one?

>>53561259
Welp, he deleted it, but for future reference, the Flyrant just happens to be the model that site uses for Hive Tyrants.

>>53560971
maybe because theyre shitty fucking daggers.

>>53561276
Yep, he's free and I dunno... your Nuerothrope sprue got eaten by your dog?

>>53561278
The list, listed a Hive Tyrant with wings.

>>53561276
As free as any sarge

>>53561278
what list builder is that guy using?

>>53561387

https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator

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>>53560971
>maybe worse due to that extra attack. WTF geedubs.
the extra attacks are already in the profile

funnily enough you can outfit a normal tyrant with 2 pairs of boneswords to make a swarmlord-lite:
it would lose the hive commander ability, 2 points in strength, 2 wounds, 1 ap and a 1 point of inv in close combat
instead of its attacks it will be its WS to deteriorate and finally it will attempt to deny one less enemy power

all for 214pts, 86 less than the real deal

on the other hand it can take adrenal glands, toxin sacs and wings.

>>53561259
>>53561278
>>53561258
I fucked up, I had four HQ when the limit was three

>>53561414
Ehh, I would gladly pay 100 points for hive commander, it just seems too good to pass up. Besides, I'll be glad to run the proper swarmy again.

>>53561414
With wings, it could only get one pair of Boneswords, not two.

>>53559488
Strangletorn cannon+claws seems like the way forward.

>>53561455
wings don't take up a weapon slot

>>53561455
Tyrants aren't limited due to wings now, but it will take some conversion

>>53561455
why?
the profile doesn't say that

>>53559512
Wait, so scything talons and rending claws are better against vehicles? What about characters, are boneswords better than them?

>>53561469
>>53561474
>>53561480

Fucking wat. Where do the wings go on the model now, then?

>>53561480
Wait...
It actually does not say that. Huh.
Holy shit the index designers completely overlooked this.

>>53553902
You're so cool!

>>53557833
>Biovores hand out mortal wounds and are 36pts a piece.

Me gusta. Even if they miss, there's a good chance they're doing damage next turn,or they've got to waste time avoiding/shooting the spore.

I've loved biovores for years. It's awesome that they're great.

>>53560912
Where do you get rending claws? How do they look like? Im gonna get into tyranids but that sounds lame

>>53561495
>>53561515

I agree. This has to be an oversight that's corrected with errata before the Edition drops.

>>53553286
That's a big chunk of points for an objective squatter.

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>>53561495
Attach them to the legs like those retarded shoes from Percy jackson

Is there any reason to not take scything talons on genestealers since they're free?

>>53561424
It's still legal you just take a battalion+patrol detachment

>>53561494
rend claws are the best melee option against single target T7 3+sv with no invul

>>53561515
>>53561544
flyrants got reverted back to previous edition of it with free wing slot

>>53561523
remember if you don't have the extra points you don't get to place the spore mine but can still shoot

>>53556983
Yes, each army will get a Codex after the group indexes. Furthermore, all models (moving forward) will include a datasheet in their packaging.

>>53561552
Rending claws peel open vehicles/characters

>>53561532
They are not made for the hive tyrant and it looks like another oversight the index designers made. Only the broodlord is supposed to have them I believe.

I feel like I should have more bigdoods in this army, but this seems like it'd be a fun list.

I'm feeling like 3 Biovores just go into every list regardless of what I try to come up with.

>>53561495
on the MODEL's arm slot, but not on the unit's weapon slot, like it has been for the latest editions.

Before the plastic kit there were people putting the wings on the back, near the vents, as an additional pair of limbs; it really never sit well with my autism and I'd have preferred if they did preclude one set of weapons too (or at least leave the other slot only for the scything talons that are on the feet)

>>53561495
They go where the legs would be on a walking tyrant, like the official model with its leg-scything-talon.

>>53561567
>remember if you don't have the extra points you don't get to place the spore mine but can still shoot
yes, you do, read the spore mines rules

>>53557221
Except advancing does not allow you to shoot anyway...

>>53561544
>>53561515
>>53561495
When was the last time wings actually took up a weapon slot?

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>>53561592
And forgot my list.

>>53561532
You'd need to do some conversion work, because I cant think of any units that have large enough rending claws to fit a tyrant without looking retarded. Except for maybe the dimachaeron's claws. But thats a 120$ forgeworld model.

>>53561615
Onslaught lets you advance and shoot mang.

>>53561615
you can shoot assault weapons after advancing at -1 to hit

>>53561614
neato

>>53561659
>you can shoot assault weapons after advancing at -1 to hit
exocrine is now heavy

>>53561635
You could try the broodlord/patriarch.

>>53561567
>remember if you don't have the extra points you don't get to place the spore mine but can still shoot
No.
See >>53557714

>>53561586

They don't replace the rending claws. You can take them in addition.

>>53561586
But the codex says "any model may ALSO have a pair of scything talons" so you still keep the rending claws but get the talons in addition for no extra cost. Why wouldnt you do that?

>>53561532
warrior claws are about the right size

>monstrous talons inflict more damage and allow you to reroll that single chance of not hitting the enemy
why do people want the rending claws?

>>53561635
The old Monstrous Biomorph sprue had comically large rending claws in them as I recall. Should still be available in the Carnifex box

>>53561626
that list builder doesnt include a lot of things like stinger salvos that you need to pay points for. So a lot of it may be inaccurate fyi

>>53561692
>>53561685

Interesting. I must have misread it then

>>53559861

Why no Hive Tyrant or Swarmlord?

>>53561706
They look cool? Or they really like that +1 attack/re-roll 1s.

Opinions on swarmy as the true leader of every tyranid army? What builds does he synergyse with? Is there any reason not to take him seeing as he is the cost of only 15 naked spess merheens.

>>53561706
monster rending claws inflict more damage and are free

see >>53559512

>>53561716
Stinger salvo seems to be worded as a "may," or at least I thought so with how it said it "can."

It's not the first time GW's grammar has thrown me around. Regardless, what of the general idea of the army?

>>53561756
if 2 monster scythe pairs give you +2A instead of +1A then the scythe pair will do .5 more wounds but at +41 pts

>>53561756
oh, I missed the part where it made you reroll to wound rolls

the absence of points will probably get faqqed soon, I wouldn't count on it staying this way.

Im quite liking you can now make a tyranid/genestealer/militarum army.

So is a hive tyrant with a venom cannon/lash whip and sword not that great, or is it better at something else than cracking open Rhinos?

>>53561827
No, the tyranid and imperial guard will still have come the apocalypse (if that still exists)

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Alright, so it's possible to round it into 700pts army. The question is if the other start collecting/armoured assault will have similar point value now

>>53561910
You can, the genestealer cults allows it.

>>53561910
it doesn't exist anymore. Genecults can ally with Nids and can bring units from the IG faction.

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>>53561940
Also what the fuck I am supossed to do with a single GW ripper swarm? It looks shitty as fuck and I need 3 of them If I see clearly

>>53561940
I thought you had to take termagaunts in batches of 10. (e.g 10, 20, 30) Can you even take 12?

>>53561589

Ic. Gotcha, thanks.

>>53562010
base fluff for other miniatures.

>>53562057
This. I have a number of rippers on every model's base equal to the model's W-1.

>>53562010
3 wounds a base or 9 for a unit for 33pts, not too bad for a free model in your gaunt box

>>53562053
you can take up to 5, 10, 30 additional gaunts. which can be 2 or 3 or 5

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>>53561789
>if the bearer has more than one pair of monstrous/massive scything talons, it can do 1 additional attack with this weapon

considering both pairs have this rule I say both pairs get the attack
>tfw a trygon has 3 pairs and would get to 9 attacks

>[9x2/3+(9÷3÷2x2/3)]÷3×5/6x4*=7.777
fucking impressive damage against a knight of all things (*takes into consideration toxin sacs)

>>53562125
I like to think it does but due to the weird jumble of words GW was trying to use, i feel like i might air on the side of caution

>>53562155
you're probably right, but raw that's the way it works.

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Could this be fun?

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>>53561532
You have two choices unless you make them yourself.
>>53561589
Tyrant could pick them back in 6th.
>>53561700
No... That's just wrong...

>>53562246
Whoops, imagine the Raveners as one brood, can't have three Fast Attack in that Detachment.

Is the maleceptor really useful now?
6" is a bit short to try and catch 6 units

I guess each character counts as its own unit and so do drones tho, maybe it will actually work as a sniper
6" sniper
sounds like the name for a penis

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>>53562257
>two choices
make that three

>>53562302
>>53562257
why waste broodlord models when you can get them from the monster biomorph sprue or warrior sprue?

>>53561741
>swarmy as the true leader of every tyranid army?
Wouldn't even poke that pile of shit with a stick

>>53551548
You sexy beast - you are my hero

>>53562334
Whats your problem with him? He seems utterly great right now.

>>53562390
Different Anon, but I'm personally avoiding him cause he costs a lot of points and I rather get more Biovores and Warriors.

>>53562246
the builder is bugged for carnifex

two pairs of scything talons cost 20 not 28
it incorrectly tries to add 2x14 instead of 20

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>>53562326
>monster biomorph sprue
Please show this monster sprue. Lord knows Carnifex doesn't have it.
>Warriors
You would do this? Nigga you serious?

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>>53562257
>No... That's just wrong...
maybe he's talking about the old rending claws the warrior kit came with
which were extra large even for the warriors themselves, but I guess they wouldn't be easy to get for a beginner

>>53561532
the easiest conversion I can come up with involves the scything talons in the kit, some fingers/talons/spikes/mandibles-thing you can easily cut off from spare bits and some extra work with a bit of greenstuff in case you want a bit of better posability

pic related for help, cut away the main talon and the hand on the red lines, the part from which grew the talon will now be the wrist, the previous wrist can work as a slot for an large taloned thumb while the natural ridges on the hand will guide you for positioning the other fingers

the finger at the top would probably better be cut off and repositioned for the step above, but you can get more creative if you want.

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Muh dick.

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>>53562390

>>53562532
?

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Here's another suggestion for a conversion
>>53562525
>the old rending claws the warrior kit came with
Too small also.

>>53562508
Thanks for the heads up.

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>>53562513
sorry to wave my oldfag dick around but i didn't realize they stopped including the sprue with things, i literally have like 10 of them sitting in my bit boxes.

but honestly i kinda like the look of the t-rex arms, i run a 3ed flyrant and that would look perfect for its dinosaur aesthetics

>>53562513

TINY TREX ARMS

>>53562513
Serious case of T-Rex arms.

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>>53562513
here is a picture of the old sprue, they packed it with Hive tyrants, Warriors, and Carnifexes.

>>53562610
I might actually want my Tyrants to have t-rex arms...

>>53556483
> Get Overlords
> Add Imperium bits
> Run Inquisition and kit bash Rhinos and shit to their flying blimps


Fuck you, I'm already doing Akrid Nidzilla and DE, I don't want to do Inquisition too!

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>>53562585
>Too small also.
they weren't all that small
the hand is ok, it's both the scything talons arm and that old rending claw hand that would be too short

he could solve it by mounting the hand on the bonesword's arm

>>53562682
that'd look cool if the scythes were on the top slots and the hands are on the bottom.

sadly fexes can't take monster rending claws of rape

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Follow your dreams

>>53562526
I would want to play that, but I wouldn't want to paint it.

>>53560582

Which army builder is this? It already uses 8th point values?

>>53562735
with an airbrush and wash you could knock it out in a sunday

>>53562532
What is this?

>>53562750
see >>53561412
Just switch points/power in top left

>>53562709
the pic is not mine

I never understood the people who put the crushing claws on the forward slot with the talons behind

>>53562752
Any good tutorials for airbrushing nids?

Also, I feel like there's no way Carnifexes can be a scoring unit, which is a shame since that army would look intimidating as hell.

>>53561412
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator
Is this working in chrome? Doesn't seem to be showing any army books for me.

>>53562532
>>53562777
'OC donut steel'
Its a play on words from OC do not steal, hes referencing the fact that the swarmlord's fluff is like a shitty deviantart OC written up by a 14 year old. It's mostly a shitty /tg/ meme whenever hes mentioned.

>>53562801
>no way Carnifexes can be a scoring unit

i don't know if objective secured is a thing in this edition, i can't seem to find the rule

heres a good airbrushing tutorial for a trygon, its pretty much the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJha39IUztU

>>53559512
Can you do math for Monstrous Crushing Claws? They're pretty cheap and get 12 str which I'd imagine helps against big things, while going from 2+ to 3+ isn't the worst thing ever.

>>53562874
sadly tyrants can't get crushing claws

>>53562246
get rid of the warriors, try and get a trygon in there.
Sneaky sneks and cunnin carnifexs are where it's at

>>53562817
Oh right. That would have been way more effective with context, thanks.

>>53562532
This is a discussion about the new tyranids, not lore.

>>53559512
>>53558853
So two pairs of monstrous scything talons are the best build for melee tyrant? I'm not really familiar with all these characteristics yet

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>>53562801
>>53562853
Plonk the carnifex right at it

>>53562981
no, the best weapons for a melee tyrant is Monster rending claws and a ranged monster Bioweapon

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Hows this looking?

Battalion Detachment

flyrant w/ 2 pairs of scything talons and adrenal glands - 217pts

swarmlord - 300pts

tervigon - 250pts

4 tyranid warriors w/ scything talons and deathspitters - 112pts

14 genestealers w/ scything talons - 168pts

2 x 20 termagants - 160pts

Harpy w/ stranglethorn cannons - 178pts

2 carnifexes 2/ 2 pairs of devourers, bio plasma and thresher scythes - 222pts

2 carnifexes w/ 2 scything talon pairs and bone maces - 178pts

trygon prime w/ adrenal glands - 215pts

Totals out to 200pts. I know the dakafex isnt really in right now but I have 2 of them I made a long time ago when I fell for the devourer meme, and arent magnatized. So might as well use them.

>>53563005
How is a ranged weapon good for a MELEE tyrant?

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>>53562125
>506pts for 3 fully kitted screamer killers and OOE
>total of 18 attacks from the skrillexes that hit on 3, reroll 1s, and on a 6 to wound cause an extra damage

>>53563029
Well, you're probably not using the remaining set of scything talons anyway, so might as well use those excess limbs to soften up the opposition before crashing in.

>>53562939
You know you could have just went along with a dignified silence, right?
>>53562979
No it wasn't, you ignoramus

>>53563029
>shoot, charge, fight
>disengage, shoot, charge, fight

flyrants are the best combo of melee and ranged

>>53563029
since you no longer get +1 attacks for multiple close combat weapons, you gain nothing from stacking 2 melee weapons outside 2 pairs of scything talons.

when you compare the two pairs of scything talons vs one pair of rending claws the output is relatively the same with the scything talons inflicting .5 more wounds but at the cost of +41 pts.

unless we get a faq stating you can get +2A +1A for the double pair

>>53563029
How does it hinder it?

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>>53562916
Snekfex?

>>53563121
Why mawloc over say, full biovore squad?

>>53563074
I never defended the swarmlords lore. Why would I need to keep quiet? And this is a discussion about the tyranids new stats. Did you even read op's post?

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>Tfw you fielded Old One Eye before it was cool

Gonna be weird taking him and actually getting results beyond just lucky kills when things miss him in melee. kinda hope he isn't too 'meta' don't want people to get tired of seeing him y'know?

Mine once punched a Stompa to death though, i guess he can't do that anymore, but maybe a 'Naut

>>53558241
Looks like it yeah.
Sweet.

With the thresher scythe and his rampage rule she should be good at clearing hordes as well.

>>53563166
You're a thick one, aren't you?. Let's stop this

>>53563147
So you have carnifexes, and snakes.

>>53563147
Because big stompy nids. That's why.

>>53563241
>she

please don't sexualize the bugs anon, it will lead to . . . chaffing

>>53563295
Not my fault your incessant dumbassery and superiority complexes cause you to act in the most "oh so holier than thou" snobbish condescending way possible that your rampant loneliness makes you accuse people of shit they never did just because anything that even looks remotely like a defender of the swarmlord triggers you to high hell.
I mean if you really want to stop this you could just take it lying down like the little bitch you are.

>>53557605
A brain bug? I find the idea insulting.

>>53558241
the eule talks about carnifex units

I assume it's not referring to the carnifex keyword but rather the unit's name, like with the broodlord and the tyranid prime

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>>53563405

>>53561708
No, that was 3e fex.

That sprue isn't in production anymore.

Anyone see the red terror being useful?

>>53563386
Do you know what's funny? At no point did I say or even imply that you defended or had any association with Swarmlord. I'm actually gonna pretend that this isn't bait and that this projecting is totally legit, because this just brightened my day

Wait, the Hive Tyrant takes "pairs" of devourers/deathspitters.

Does that mean he can equip 4 deatgspitters to shoot 12 S7 shots at BS3+?

I understand it's no TLDs, but interesting to see dakkaflyrant is still around. What are his better options now, though?

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So finally we decided that 800pts would be a good format for newbie games. After taking a look at my financial resources I managed to find few more sheckles for an extra termagants/hormagaunts box.
Should I rather stick with 2x 12 gants for Tervigon shenanigans or trade one unit for gaunts for more melee? They would round my list into exactly 800pts

>>53563616
>What are his better options now, though?
rending claws and a cannon, probably Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots, IMO.
He's an assault monster now.

>>53563616
They come in pairs because they have 4 upper limbs, so effectively they have 2 weapon options like most other units in the game. The pair weapons are stated as one weapon, so unless Deathspitters shoot 6 times or 3 times with Twin-linked, you aren't gonna be shooting 12 times with them

>>53563566
>6 attacks with the talons
>hit on 2 rerolling 1s
>if 4 or more hit you can swallow whole a model
considering the enemy gets to choose the model to swallow but you get to choose the unit and the look out sir rule is only for shooting attacks, it could work as an assassin, but really all important models now have 4 or more wounds so it will be difficult to pull off and it's better used to slay heavily armoured troops, but he's probably running with some raveners who are probably sporting rending claws

it's just a buff for them, nothing more

>>53562796

Me neither.
You'd think evolution doesn't fuck itself up by positioning the claws with more range at the back of something...

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should it have more carnifexes?

>>53563195
He can potentially get close with a max of 33 wounds. Unlikely though.

>>53563568
I said I did not defend the swarmlord.
You called me thick after I said this.
It does not take a genius to take this as a strong implication that you believed I defended the swarmlords lore. Stop trolling newfag

>>53562526

Reminds me so much of my glorious 4e nids

>>53563736
It needs a swarmlord for that sweet hive commander buff.

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>>53563645
Fug, didn't mean to post simple preview

>>53563727
The deathspitters are statted as single (assault 3 ) guns. So 1 pair gives you 6 shots.

>>53563616
>>53563701

for a pure dakka flyrant against T7-11 3+Sv point for point the following are roughly equivalent

Quad death spitters
HVC + death spitters
STC + death spitters

but honestly i'd run flyrants as Rending Claws + HVC

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>>53563727
>>53563616
You get two devourers or deathspitters for every scything talon set you replace, so you can get up to four.

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>>53563852
So what do I do with these unbuild fuckers? Convert them to deathspitters? Or just say "fuck it" and use the inferior devourers?

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>>53563831
>Gargoyles

Can someone explain to me what a screamer-killer is?

>>53563788
Look mate. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I'm just telling it to you straight. If you haven't figured it out by know it means you aren't reading between the lines, which would suggest that you're a thick one. Go back to the very first post in this post chain and carefully read it all again. I'm sure it will come to you and you will feel a bit silly afterwards, but that happens to everyone from time to time

>>53563903
box them and wait for the next codex that makes them overpowered again, its time will come again.

>>53563913
carnifex with 2 pairs of scything talons and traditionally bioplasma but with modern use it may mean with or without plasma

>>53563915
>carefully read it all again
By all I mean the whole chain

>>53563903
>getting suckered by forJE World

>>53563904
Well, they are in the box and they look neat. It's not like I want to WAACfag - the rest of the players are also going to run SC + AA + some extra HQ or a small unit

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>>53562682
>>53562642
>>53562600
>>53562585
>>53562525
>>53562513


Or just do what I did with my tyrant. These were his "Maw" claws of Thyrax from the last codex. Those were statted as super rending claws anyways. What better way of assimilating data than having 3 heads?

>>53563926
>with modern use it may mean with or without plasma
Can it though? Doesn't the high shriek specifically come from the bio-plasma biomorph?

>>53563121

sneks stronk

>>53563701

That's kinda cool. Suits a Monstrous leader to rush in with its gribblies.

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>>53563913
it was an alternative old name for the first iteration of the carnifex, armed with 2 pairs of scything talons and bioplasma

>>53563941
Well honestly I bought the guns because they were pretty. I guess I'll just stick with them.

>>53563950
I actually dig the idea, but I think Tyrant heads would have been more appropriate

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>>53563950
not gonna lie, i like it

>>53563950
Huh, that's clever

>>53563950
of all the ways you could have developed that idea you chose, perhaps, the worst.

>>53563736

Where is the Swarmlord and a Trygon.

When you go balls to the walls with genestealers you gotta take em

>>53563950
While an interesting color scheme, would it have hurt you to do a wash or some highlights?

Also THIN PAINTS

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>>53563944
But there's no point to using gargoyles. Like, ACTUALLY no point. You're even running a Tervigon. Seriously, you need to either use more gaunts or upgrade a few of their weapons to devourers. There is never a reason to run gargoyles, ever.

>>53563993
>>53563996
>>53564006
>>53564010
Thanks, I would have done tyrant heads but I didnt have any extra around. Plus I like the visual difference.
>>53564045
Camera doesnt pick up the washes and highlights on the black and red very well. I'll admit fault on the carapace though. I have shaky hands and can't figure out how to do carapaces well. Love converting the models though.

>>53564054


Holy shit, I'm not OP but we are finally getting solid rules for our units. It's okay to run non-optimal units, you know?

At least it doesn't mean an entire fuck up anymore

>>53564054
They look neat like a Flyrant or Skrikes.

They might suck, but the models are neat.

>>53564054
Uh, I-I hoped that something that is flying and shooting can be useful somehow and as I stated - it's not like I have a lot of choice - it's also about money mate

>>53563049
Huh. That's pretty good if the rules hold up.

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What does the stranglewebs do?
they have shit range, shit number of hits, shit strength, don't even hit automatically or have any special rules for that mattet.

did they completely forgot about it midway?

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>>53564113
It's not that it's non-optimal, because I can understand that, my gripe is that they're just a waste of space. He'd honestly be better off just tacking on more bells and whistles to other units rather than lobbing them in. They're just so redundant in a list that uses gaunts.

>>53564127
I personally think they're an average looking model. I also hate the things after having to put together 50 of the fucks, so I could be biased I admit.

>>53564153
There's no shame in having a lack of funds for your plastic crack, we've all been there before. It's simply just an odd decision is all. Seriously, I do recommend not taking them over something else, but if you're committed to it then go ahead.

My first crack at a list. Any CC?

5 CP
Battalion Detachment

Hive Tyrant with wings (1) - 201pts
1 Hive Tyrant: Monstrous rending claws,Heavy venom cannon,Prehensile pincer tail

Hive Tyrant with wings (1) - 201pts
1 Hive Tyrant: Monstrous rending claws,Heavy venom cannon,Prehensile pincer tail

Termagants (30) - 120pts
30 Termagant: Fleshboarer

Termagants (30) - 120pts
30 Termagant: Fleshboarer

Genestealers (20) - 200pts
20 Genestealer

Spearhead Detachment

Old One Eye (1) - 140pts
1 Old One Eye

Trygon Prime (1) - 215pts
1 Trygon Prime: Bio-electric pulse with containment spines,Three massive scything talons,Prehensile pincer tail,Adrenal glands

Carnifexes (1) - 97pts
1 Carnifex: 2 Monstrous scything talonss,Bone mace

Carnifexes (1) - 97pts
1 Carnifex: 2 Monstrous scything talonss,Bone mace

Vanguard Detachment

Tervigon (1) - 239pts
1 Tervigon: Massive scything talons

Zoanthrope Brood (3) - 120pts
3 Zoanthrope

Zoanthrope Brood (3) - 120pts
1 Neurothrope
2 Zoanthrope

Zoanthrope Brood (3) - 120pts
1 Neurothrope
2 Zoanthrope

>>53564287
1974 points, so got some wiggle room

Let's settle the debate, guys. Are the nids bugs? Or are they dinos? Bugdinos?

>>53564287
Where your biovores at

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Did anyone else notice that they list a points cost for toxin sacs on the Mawloc, but then didn't put it on the datasheet?

>>53564362
oddly enough, i have one biovore model that im looking to fit in.

>>53564361
they didn't evolve on earth and so don't fall into any terran taxonomic grouping.

>>53564377
maybe an oversight

might probably be cleared up later if codices really will be a thing

>>53558561
This upsets me for Salamanders. Vulkan gives re-rolls for hits and wounds with flamers and meltas, but only for units within 6" of him.

I don't like the fact that we have to have everything so bunched up, now.

>>53563986
They're still decent.

Its just the mc guns are the same as the intantry version now. Devourers are the worse but cheaper option.

>>53564248
In 7e they're a S2 flamer that wounds against S.

Them still being crap is just consistency, though the lack of autohits is strange.

>>53564519

Not true, MC devourers and deathspitters have +2S.

>>53564361
Yes

But really they mix several animal types, theropod body form, insect shells and limb number, mammalian wings and hooves, crustacean claws.

>>53564587
Yeah but i mean the relationship between devourer vs deathspitter. With deathspitter just being better.

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>vanguard FOC
>tyranid prime
>6xmaleceptor
>3×biovores
>3xbiovores

mortal wounds only
final destination

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>>53564587
So basically us FW twin-linked assholes aren't going to be completely dumb for continuing to use them?

>>53564705
Good against elite armies, but i reckon you'll struggle against hordes.

>>53564756
Nah. 90% of people can't properly identify tyranid guns anyways. You'll be fine. Or just be smart and use the tyrannofex's fleshborer hive for all your 4-gun goodness!

As in the right tyrant in the background of
>>53563950