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First for Taufag tears

Is Imperial Guard good?

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Name this marine.

I am pretty hyped

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This is the first time ive read daemon rules that havn't pissed me off in one way or another. No random war gear och stubil tables, or half army deep striking, or any of that.

>>53544042

Its not fair Eldar deserved a nerf more

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>>53544066
Yes, only if you like manly men with tons of guns

Making a new squad of Marines, standard marines. What's the hottest new special weapon I should take for them?

Also, Missile Launcher, yes/no?

>>53544066
They're not awful. They, like every other army, will be in a much better position when their actual codes drops

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>>53544083
That daemon is a female, why is it making the fap noise?

>>53544066
They seem to be back in the pack of "armies of indeterminate strength."

>>53544042

Wow those are some cheapass power weapons and plasma pistols. My fluffy Executioners axe-brethren sergeants modeled with plasma pistol+power axe might actually be playable?

>>53544066
Seems like the models that were good are now bad and the ones that were bad are now good

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>>53544066
Looking pretty good to me, especially with with Punisher Cannon staying heavy 20. Can't wait to see the Vulture stats.

>>53544018
Reminder that if every army is weak, no army is

Lads how are deathwatch looking?

>>53544087
True, but I'll take what I can get. At least Elder players know they're OP. Tau players will deny it all day long

>>53544133
Black and silver, mostly.

What anime does the warlord of your army watch?

>>53544095
>Also, Missile Launcher, yes/no?
Fucking yes, it's so goddamn sexy.

Honestly pretty happy with 8th edition for both my armies. Tau got guy in a good way and lists should be fluffier. BA had some changes (sanguinary discipline and out characters not being mudermachines) but I'm ultimately ok with everything.

What do you guys like that has been changed in your army?

>>53544066
They're at least interesting. Platoons are gone, blobbing is gone, HWS aren't trash anymore, vets and command squads are elites now. Those are the major things I found.

>>53544095
>Melts
>No, use lascannon

>>53544095
Honestly the old Flamer/Missile Launcher looks pretty solid in 8th.

>>53544144
None, anime is for degenerates.

>>53544133
Almost as bad as they were in 7th so....better?

>>53544133
You might want to take a seat anon

>>53544133
New NPC faction>>53544144

What armies are top tier in 8th?

>>53544079
Sandy

>>53544144
Probably kimono friends just like everyone else in the fucking world right now

>>53544176
DEldar, Eldar, Tyranids

>>53544144
Boku no piko

>>53544079
Wonderful William

>>53544018
Is making a BA Librarian Dreadnaught warlord [FNP6+] a good idea?

>>53544079

Battle-Genderqueer Glamqueen, Destroyer of the Eardrums of Cis Scum

>>53544144
Girls Und Panzer, duh.

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>>53544144
>Ork Warlord Bluudmaw
EXPLOSHUN

>>53544153
I like that Reavers and Windriders have the same armor modifier for a change. I'm still not sure what I'll do with the Raider I normally stuck my Banshees in though

>>53544176
Your dudes are anon

>>53544079
Rob Halford

>>53544153
>What do you guys like that has been changed in your army?

Picking Combat Drugs. Oh god, this is so nice. I know that I still have to spread the different bonuses around, but simply being able to pick and choose which bonuses will go where is so, so nice. It's also nice that the Leadership buff from drugs is solid now rather than being a complete waste like it was before.

>>53544144
Samurai Flamenco.

Quick modeling question for anyone that owns a Sicaran Battle Tank.

Would a Leman Russ turret fit on it in place of the original turret? And how does the size compare to the Leman Russ' profile?

>>53543915
Its suffering I can take roughly 6 Lascannon HWTs for the price of a Vanquisher with one Lascannon. Instead of 3 Vanquishers as anti-tank I could go glass cannon with 6 Heavy Weapon Squads totaling 12W and 18 Lascannons with points to spare.

But I'm going to try tank guard with artillery and Enginseer buddies to see if they can hold up well considering I'm used to my tanks exploding instantly or being stunned to death.

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>>53544193
>DEldar
And a new meme is born everybody

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Can't fucking wait.

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>>53544144
Veggie Tales

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Is the Stompa really an 80 something wound walking fortress with terrible guns now?

And did it at least get some better weapons options or more of them?

Now that my GK and Deathwatch army is pretty much redundant. What should I switch to?

>>53544144
Tiger Mask W

>>53544111
Girls can have dicks too, shitlord.

What's a skatbike on skatbike game like?
I've seen tons of games against the standard bike span army but I've never seen such a cancerous mirror match
What gives the advantage to who? How unfun is it to watch?

>>53544079
Handsome bob

>>53544242
Custodes

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>30 gaunts with half of them carrying devourers
>the other half is made of fleshborers and gets all wounds redirected to them
>the gaunts then get respawned by the tervigon
>all the while rerolling 1s to hit and wound

good luck my dakka is behind 7000 fetuses

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>>53544244

>>53544144
Slaneshi warlord just browses /d/ on down days

>>53544235
No like, they're pretty fucking good right now.

>>53544079
Alpharius

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I know that LRBT is meh at best, I just love the model.

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GEEDUBS HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO ABOUT BALANCE

>>53544240
>Sisters of Battle?
>It's time to talk about what we purged today

>And so what we have burned applies to our lives today
>And God has a lot to say in His bolt

>You see, we know that God's book is for everyone
>And now that our chant is done, we'll take a look

>>53544262
Archie would have been a Custodes I feel.

https://mega.nz/#F!J5lBiY7L!xdu4vTwbDakoCD6BsnH7sA
Mega with index pdfs

How are the skitarii looking?

>>53544241
40 wounds, not many options. It seems relatively okay for what you get, but I still wouldn't want one for 900 points

>>53544018
You done goofed
>No link to leaked rulebooks
>Links to outdated information
>No proper title with /40kg/

2/10 OP

>>53544289
Canticles is what bumped the cost.

On the upside, there's good cause for taking GM Voldus instead of a librarian now for GK.

>3 powers instead of 2
>more wounds
>rapehammer
>aoe buffs
Only an additional 45 points.

Has Broodlord always been a Synapse Creature, even when he was a HQ?

Also any word on what the new average game list size will be?

>>53544144

My Word Bearers are pretty big Berserk fans, though they root for a different character to win than the normies do

Some anon asked why falcons cost more than prisms:

Transport sure.
But also:

S8 Ap-3 3 damage.
Not D3.
Flat 3.
Heavy 2.

Add a bright Lance and Shuriken cannon, stick a few nasties inside.

Cash in on reliable wounds.

So much stuff is randomized, I dread games of nothing but 1 rolls and will pay points to avoid it.

>>53544306

>It seems relatively okay for what you get

So all of the Ork Lords of War are bad now?

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>>53544267
>2ppm 4+ invul tarpit

>>53544289
The Ad Mech servitors get canticles

What has been the best shitpost of the start of gathering storm to 8th edition era?

>>53544289
The one on the right has Canticles, and has an increased cost as a result? What's the problem?

Have they confirmed the existence of chapter tactics and traitor legion rules this edition? Would be disappointed to see those legion rules have such a short existence.

Someone stop me from fielding 50 conscripts with a commissar and priest in 8th edition

>>53544289
>waah waah I got to pay points for canticles!

>>53544242
How are GKs redundant now?

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>>53544130
>IMPLYING

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>Vanguard Detachment
>6 Tyrant Guard broods with 6 Each
>They protect Swarmy on 2+
>Spam Genestealers that have a 33" Average Threat Radius

>>53544311
but canticles are shit

>>53544352

Fabulous "Titan Slapper" Smiles

>>53544066

lemon yiffs are trash
platoons are gone
vendettas are squatted
heavy weapons teams are cheap as hell though.

What's the current thoughts on Psychic Focus? It seems like a weird inclusion to me, as it makes psyker-heavy lists in high point games really just there to spam Smite. Didn't GW say they were going to make psychic stuff scale well with point value in 8e?

>>53544266
If only they were kept as in 7th

>>53544289
How so? I just see the same profile except with a random extra point of power for the Mechanicum, which is probably because Canticles.

>>53544336
No I mean that if you dumped a similar number of points on two Imperial knights, you'd get less ranged firepower, but more melee potential.

Superheavies in general are really expensive for what you get. Stompas seem mediocre among Superheavies as a whole

Is 8ED the rebirth of 3ED?

>paying for basic wargear
>close combat is king
>assault out of rhino's
>can't pick out independent characters if there's a non IC unit closer.

>>53544360
You can't get them all into melee.

>>53544360
Fielding Straken, a commissar and a priest running just behind a pack of 2+ armoured bullgryns.

Question: Space Marine Sgts, what loadout now?

Also where is the "Sgt" equipment list?

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>>53544374

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I guess we'll never know why the Dark Angels attacked... But perhaps it was something to do with the strange books they found detailing some place called "Caliban" under attack. Played a 1,500pt game of Cloak and Shadows with only infantry and light vehicles because the brave men of the Guard had walked into an ambush up for a batrep /tg/?

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>>53544243
>Tiger Mask W

>>53544367
>more expensive
>lost access to non-GK psychic powers
>psychic powers absolutely fucking gutted
>no more blanket ignoring armor saves thanks to modified AP
>no more shunting
>no more mass deepstriking
>they have to pay for their fucking storm bolters.

>>53544391

>but more melee potential.

Aren't two Knights still going to have no trouble at all out doing a Stompa in a fight?

>>53544410
Front of the index.

Is 18 Lascannons enough for BS4+? I could probably swap for some other weapon but I can't decide between Heavy Bolters and Mortars. Maybe I need more HQs for orders.

>1246/1250 Points Cadians
>Spearhead Deatchment
Lord Castellan Creed
Company Commander
Colour Sergeant Kell
Command Squad +Medi-pack, Regimental Standard, 2 Sniper Rifles
3 x 20 Conscripts
6 x Heavy Weapon Squads +3 Lascannons each

>Spearhead Deatchment
Company Commander
Lord Commissar
Commissar
Command Squad +Medi-pack, Regimental Standard, 2 Sniper Rifles
2 x 20 Conscript Squads
6 x Heavy Weapon Squads +3 Mortars each

>>53544344
>melt to any S4 weapons
>battleshocked to death

>>53544381
Can you explain psychic focus? Is this a rule I missed?

I don't get where everyone thinks you can only spam smite.

>>53544301
Pretty damn decent, although a little slower and FnP was traded for 6+ invulns all round. Shroudpsalm is now+1 to armour saves by having everyone count as in cover, which makes every model into the exact statline of a Sister of Battle for the turn. No Doctrinas, but plenty of Reroll 1s To Hit bubbles meaning our special weapons are really nasty.

Next drawthread I'm going to ask someone to please draw the Skittles and the Sisters having a friendly heretic burning competition with Phosphor and Flamer. There's not enough cute Skitarii art.

>>53544410
>Also where is the "Sgt" equipment list?
first page

>>53544446
You can only attempt to cast a psychic power once each turn.

>>53544380
>vendettas are squatted
They were never in the Codex to begin with, wait for Forge World

>>53544429
Fuck sake man. I had 1500 worth of GKs

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Can't wait to roll people with broods of warriors and custom fexes.

Genestealers are looking to be good too.

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>>53544446

>>53544374
Matched games limit you to 3 tyrant guard per unit.

Still not going to stop you taking 2-3 units of the fuckers though.

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>>53544283
Sure thing GW, I'll remember to buy some Dhrukari™ now, oh wait no because they're still shit glass guns that will die to the implications of being shot

>>53544377
They're four points per model and four power a unit, anon. Unless SM buy meltas and plasmas for way less than the Mech then they're basically the same point cost, or as close as makes no difference.

>>53544439
>>53544457
ty, i have the dumbs

im thinking power sword + bolt pistol...

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>>53544327
>betrayed his friends
>manipulated everyone around him
>held a grudge against his former friend for shaming him
>tfw Lorgar is Griffith
>mfw no grasses to put on in 8th

>>53544415
Go on

>>53544462
I don't see this anywhere. It looks like an individual psyker can only cast the same power once, same as always. Wana point it out?

>>53544480
>Matched games limit you to 3 tyrant guard per unit.
Not him, but how?

>>53544473
What warrior loadout are you packing, Tyrabro?

I'm thinking just going Lash+Bonesword and springing for the Deathspitters. Then again, flesh hooks look cheap and sorta nice, too.

Between moving points costs to pages separate from the unit entries in the army list and making basic wargear something you have to purchase separately, I'm starting to get the feeling GW dislikes matched play.
Really, it's like they're making things more difficult on purpose.

>>53544482

Literally the entire point of the army is glass cannons that wound everything on baseline 4s and are fast.

Just play a different army if you don't like that.

>>53544465
They were in the last codex, a very small part

>>53544482

I mean if you wanna skip the band wagon go for it but don't get mad when you start losing games to them.

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>>53544482
>I hate being a glass cannon army
>Collects a glass cannon army

>>53544474
The fuck is that rule?
Guess I'm throwing out normal farseers again this edition in favor of a renamed Eldrad clone.

>>53544066

Infantry are okay, russ are gutter trash

>>53544301
Skitarii players are butt mad like any other non Tyranid player.

>>53544415
HELL YEAHH

GGA IS THIS 8TH ED?

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>>53544467

>>53544496
It's part of the matched play rules.

>>53544465
but they were in the codex, now it is true that they didn't make a miniature for it.

I find it a good sign that the Meta has not been figured out yet. With the undoubted amount of effort that folks are putting into finding it and no real consensus found yet I have a small glimmer of hope that the next few months will be crazy fun.

People bring all kinds of off the wall lists to see what sticks. Good feeling mag.

>>53544391

What melee potential? It still only has a single combat weapon to swing with.

>>53544500
No you dumbfuck, they did this so they could balance the game by adjusting the points in the yearly updates more easily

>>53544533
Saw it. Am disgusted.
I bet thousand sun's are salty about this too.

>>53544523

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LETS GET DEGENERATE IN HERE

>>53544381
I think ignoring Psychic focus in matched play is a reasonable house rule in the short term. Long term when psyker heavy armies hopefully have access to a few more disciplines via thier codex it should be fine, just requiring you to spread out your spell selection. But right now there are some oversights that leave otherwise reasonable armies simply without spells to cast period, and that isn't good.

>>53544474
>GK only have 3 powers
>can only cast 1 per turn
>fucking everything in the GK army is a psyker
Do they even read their own fucking rules?

>>53544549
Anon no

>>53544549
But anon my parents said I couldnt stay out past 9 tonight

>>53544549
How about you suck my burning promethium from my red hot, long, heavy flame thrower?

I'm late to the party, why is everyone freaking out? Did GW finally squat Nids?

>>53544396
They took the bad parts and make it worst

>>53544549
We are already talking about anime
It's degenerate enough

>>53544523
Eldar have access to two disciplines plus smite. It's not really an issue for them.

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>>53544565
Lewd

How are craftworlders looking in 8th? Hopefully more balanced?

>>53544568
Rules got leaked. All of them.

>>53544587
Scatbikes are 41 points base and fast attack.

I was wondering, is there a rule about having models on specific base sizes?

I posted this ages ago as a joke, but it became true

>Nids become top tier in 8th edition
>Rush of WAAC players and noobs playing nids skyrocket
>Nids sales are through the roof
>New releases to stimulate even more sales
>New lore changes to accommodate new models, characters

Fast forward to 2025. Campaign Book "Leviathan Rises"

>Hive Fleet Leviathan, awakened to consciousness by the concerted efforts of the Ynnari and Varro Tigurius, has helped temporarily ward off the predations of Hive Fleet Gargantua
>Now Leviathan and the Vengeance Crusade have to work together to try and retake Cadia
>Also Tyranid Waifus are a thing now

>>53544568
Nids are likely the best army now.

>>53544598

Suck a dick you wrong faggot. You probably were one of the cunts who thought that shit was true.

Suck my dick - I was right.

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>>53544549
You get degenerate, I get homicidal. Understood?

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>>53544556
>GK will be stuck spamming smite from most of their psykers
>Smite is nerfed for GK down to 12" and a MAX of 1 wound

>GK blown the fuck out

>>53544467
Don't listen to him, most GK players are saying it's a solid improvement.

Reposting from >>53544265

I can't really do a power tier list because we don't have enough data yet, but I can do a "how well did the factions receive their changes" list that might hint at how they're moving in the tiers from where they were in 7th

>orgasmic tier
Tyranids

>looking good! tier
Dark Eldar
Grey Knights

>cautious optimism tier
Necrons
Sisters
Daemons, Non-Tzeentch

>relieved they weren't nerfed into oblivion tier
Eldar

>mixed feelings but okay now that the dust has settled tier
AdMech
IG
Tau, Good Players
Orks

>skub tier
Chaos Space Marines
Space Marines?
Daemons, Tzeentch

>autistic panic tier
Tau, Riptide Spammers

I moved Orks up one and I don't know where to put Imperial Knights or the snowflake Marine Chapters just yet.

>>53544585
You are aiming for a shoulder deep all night power fisting, Slaaneshi fiend. Desist before you have to feel the Emperor's might grabbing your inner most organs from the back door.

>>53544441
lol they're t3 so let's just assume
>10 bolter shots
>3-4 dead after wounds and battleshock
>you wasted a round of shooting to to around 6-8 points of damage
Congrats on falling for the trap, m8

>>53544556
Smite is exempt. All those GK squads will mostly be casting their smite variant. You do have to be careful about including too many caster levels in your HQs though. KSons have the same issue.

>>53544144
Dante likes to watch Naruto and Boruto in his spare time

He bases his fighting style off rock lee and might guy

Mephiston watches death note while wishing he could challenge light to a staring contest.

Astorath watches evangellion and roots for the angels.

Lemartes can never finish a show because his little angry marines keep changing the channel.

Tycho was watching parasyte before he shot his tv with a multimelta.

Brother Corbulo just picked up Gabriel dropout . He cries whenever Gabrielle unangellic .

>>53544590
They are that bad?

>>53544499

I normally have run them balanced while relatively cheap with rending claws + deathspitters, I may have to experiment though.

>>53544609
Deldar and Elder are their with you buddy.

2000pt CSM Havoks on Parade
5 Command Points

Lord w/Combi Plas
Lord w/Combi Plas

Terminators w/5 Combi-Melta + Maul x5
Terminators w/5 Combi-Plas + Maul x5

Havoks x5 w/ Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Missile, Lascannon

Havoks x5 w/ Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Missile, Lascannon

Havoks x5 w/ Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Missile, Lascannon

Havoks x5 w/ Autocannon, Heavy Bolter, Missile, Lascannon

Havoks x5 w/ 4 Autocannons

Havoks x5 w/ 4 Melta and CMelta
Rhino w/CBolter

Havoks w/ 4 Plasma and CPlasma
Rhino w/CBolter

Havoks w/ 4 Flamer and CFlamer
Rhino w/CBolter

>>53544568
>Did GW finally squat Nids?
HAHAHAHAH

MORE LIKE NIDS ARE ABOUT TO SQUAT THE FUCKING META

>>53544620
>solid improvement.
How is it a solid improvement?

Did you see the psychic focus rule? GK have 3 powers.

>Only 1 unit per turn can be gated.
>Only 1 unit per turn can use hammerhand
>Only 1 unit per turn can hit something with purge soul

Like crowe/purifiers, too bad fuck you
>Only 1 unit per turn can hit something with cleansing flame

Is there a link to the page of all the psyker abilities for imperium 1

>>53544636
If you are a tourny player, meta player, or tau player who liked winning every game? yes

>>53544587
Good. Although a lot of their crazy stuff from 7th seems nerfed.

>>53544503
>>53544520
>Implying the cannon part isn't long lost and we're glass slingshots now

>>53544513
Hope you like your new Tyranids/necron overlords because they're the ones on the top alongside eldars, not deldars, they're top middle tier now at best.

>>53544636
They're okay. But you know where we are, autistic screeching in response to change of any kind is a tradition.

>>53544615
>being this ass blasted

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>>53544568
Wearen't freaking out. We are psyched!

>>53544488
My BA tac sgt has a chainsworss and hand flamer . Seems pretty good for a melee focused army

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>>53544622
Are you certain about that brother?

>>53544144
I like to imagine the Hive Mind instead changes the channel to Hells Kitchen.

>>53544677

Who was right about Windrider points? Me - I was. Who was wrong about them - you - you were. Kill yourself.

>>53544620
>using skub in the current year
Bet this guy is a tactica writer for 1d4chan

Black Templar retcon has been retconed. Each crusade fleet has thousands of marines again.

>>53544641
Necrons too
>Turns out Trazyn had a few extra Blackstone fortresses, tucked in between a container holding Sanguinus' soul and Creeds recently constructed palace of booty.

>>53544620
>GK
>entire psyker army
>can only cast a single power + smite per turn
>said power can only be from their faction
>looking good
lmao

>>53544288
I'm so gunna make this work. Don't care if Leman Russ weapons are shit, I will find a way. I got
a command reroll for those Heavy D6's, I got tank orders and commanders for the BS, and they split the platoons into individual slots! I bet if I can accrue enough CP I can just spam that reroll every turn with points to spare. Let's see if I can fit a brigade inside 1500 points!

>>53544499
>>53544473
>>53544640
Remember that venom cannons are 9 points each. 6 warriors with whip/swords and 2 cannons costs you 172 points if I'm reading this correctly. That's nearly the cost of 6 naked warriors in the old book.

>>53544698
>implying people from 1d4 actually go on /tg/

>>53544672

We'll see - Nids are good, Crons are solid mid tier. I'll still beat both armies with consistency.

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>>53544549
>Can't talk. Must eat. Yes.

>>53544698
>immediately associates skub meme with 1d4chan
You are the one who needs to go back
Some of us are just oldfags

I DECLARE ON BEHALF OF THE DARK ELDAR A META WAR ON TYRANIDS

FUCK YOU BUGS

what was the worst meta game you've ever played in over your years of 40k tg?

6th edition taudar were dark times

>>53544554
This is what I'm currently thinking as well. Hoping codices come out soon.

>>53544691
The mental image of a tryanid pyrovore, it's neck extended and it's mouth spewing spittle, screeching at a bunch of guants trying to eat a cowering guardsman.

>IT'S RAAAAAAW!

>>53544748
Yeah but it's time is over, skub is a normie meme now like kek

>>53544753

Are Redemptor Dread rules in the index?

If not, then we can expect the full Astartes codex shortly.

>>53544757

Uhh 7th edition Ynnari

>Terminator Teleport Homers
>Your terminators can teleport out of close combat and back to your deployment zone

holy fuck

>>53544696
>so much anger
Wanna talk about it anon?

>>53544111
How new are you?

>>53544757
4e Nidzilla was fucking horrific.
>Hello, this is my list. It has more Monstrous Creatures than you have heavy weapons. Have fun.

But the worst for me personally was playing IG in the months between 5th edition and the 5e IG codex, when crushing your balls with a hammer was more enjoyable than playing guard.

>>53544788
w-what

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>all other units in that Detachment must either be from the Imperium Faction
Does this mean I can mix my Skitarri Vanguard with my GK Paladin Squad with my Ordo Xenos Inquistor? Am I reading this right?

>>53544757
8th edition nid mania
You either take dark Eldar or you can't compete

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>>53544753
fuck you too buddy

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Vulcan hestan now is a buff dude so pack those combis and let em rip

>>53544598
>>53544615

Scatbikes are -1 to hit if you move with scatter lasers. I suspect Shuriken Cannon bikes might even be more common than Scat now. And at that point Cannons and Twin-Catapults aren't that far apart in cost and effectiveness either, so the "every bike gets a weapon upgrade" is no longer very egregious. They seem fine to me.

>>53544822
4e Nidzilla could only run a maximum of 8 MCs and they weren't even good as soon as the core rules changed over to 5th and vehicles became impossible to crack.

>>53544822
Didn't guard get that bonkers tank company army in that edition though?

>>53544788
It seems DG and Primaris (or was it SM?) will have the first full-fledged codexes

>>53544827
Yes, you can freely go Imperium Soup if you want.

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>>53544829
LETS FUCKING GO YOU PUNGENT BIOWHORE

What faction needs to fight more in the lore?

>>53544845
The one where your tank couldn't move anywhere unless you had infantry out there to check for monsters under the bed? Yes. This was 4e though, not 5e. Vehicles weren't exactly hard to kill then (though LRBTs were still pretty tough).

>>53544870
YOU

Any bets on how long bit takes for codexes to come out? I'm assuming every space Marine chapter will get its own Codex within the year, then tau, then 5 Primaris codexes, and by the time 2030 rolls around we might get some nids.

So is difficult terrain gone now? All models can move freely over anything? There's literally nothing in the core rules saying you cant just walk over anything as if it werent there.

>>53544800

Nope - just wanna talk about you being wrong. You can pretend you weren't in the early leak threads crowing about 41 point Windriders but we both know you were part of it. I was right, you were wrong.

>>53544723
I'm so torn between running snooty warrior squads at a relative bargain, or just going full zerg rush and getting cheap melee swarms with 9 models for under 200 points

>>53544828
No, fuck you, get away from my faction, the last thing I want is them being swarm with utthurt tau players and kids

>>53544872
>that feel in 3e when a strong wind passes by your leman Russ and it gets two weapon destroyed an an explodes result

>>53544153
Daemon engines got tougher and better, 2 wound terminators, raptors and warp talons can assault out of deep strike. Rubrics got more durable. Beyond that, I need to play some games, see how things work on the table.

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>>53544857
>>53544829
>>53544753
FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT

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>>53544855
Oh that's pretty fucking neat.

>>53544875
Probably will be 2018 before the "back burner" factions like necrons, nids, and guard get a codex

>>53544838
Does that mean he can boost dreads and tanks with flamers/melta too?

>>53544897
IM GONNA TURN THE TYRANID'S TENTACLES INTO MY MANY PENISES

THEN IM GONNA TURN YOUR BUG HEAD INTO A FLESHLIGHT

>>53544887
Taufags won't play nids because they're weeaboos who can only jerk off to animu mecha

Also playing nids WELL actually takes a fucking brain unlike autopiloting a gunline so they won't be oversaturated with WAACfags outside of the high levels of tournaments probably

>>53544886
I'm torn between warrior spam or taking a Trygon Prime and shoving Genestealers into my enemy's flank.

I wonder if it'd be worth taking a Tyranocyte and 20 Genestealers in 1k points...

I've played 'nids since 3rd edition and seeing all these new rules, I just

It was worth waiting for, wasn't it? It was worth the pain of Cruddace, it was worth my army being fucking useless, for me to see viable tyranid warriors, cheap and lethal monstrous creatures. Even if everyone is complaining that they may be the new FOTM army, I don't care. I'm so happy I got to see Tyranids be good again with you bros.

Let me just enjoy this moment, okay?

>>53544576
Sure. But that means I can have two Psyker units period. A warlock/squad and Farseer not two farseers doubling down on Doom like good old 4th/5th ed days.

>>53544897
That tyranid's face makes it look like it wants to hunt down and kill Austrian movie stars

>>53544925

You don't get how the bandwagon works do you?

>>53544908
Ive always loved the guard but hated the Ogres. Now I can take Space Marines or something to fill that role. I'm happy.

>>53544909

And non-Cult CSM. They're so far on the back burner, I'd almost be willing to put money that they'll get updated after sisters.

>>53544827
Yes. You'll just have them in a detachment under the Imperium tag. Down the line doing so will mean missing out on some bonuses, but currently, pre-codexes, there's no downside.

>>53544876
Certain terrain has its own penalties. Woods slow charge distance for instance.

>>53544753
>tfw you play both DE and Nids
Guys, am I the real winner here?

>>53544908
Yeah.

I'm going

>Saint Celestine
>20 Seraphim
>30 Assault Terminators
>100 Guardsmen

Have fun

>>53544893

What about Havocs and Obliterators?

Or the Chaos Predator?

I'm interested to know what kind of gun line army Chaos can build now.

>>53544753

monstrous creatures that excel at killing lightly armored infantry and skimmers, vs light infantry and skimmers that excel at killing monstrous creatures

a battle for the ages

so I skimmed the marine units. am I getting this right? none of the primaris units have any customisation options whatsoever? sergeants can't even take a fuckin chainsword?

also, where are the redemptor rules?

>>53544889
>Land Raider are tough! Tough! They can take as much as 6 lascannon hits before exploding and taking half your army with them!

Dear God, that damage table...

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>>53544897
Tau and eldar got along last edition, now that we're the top tier armies why cant we?

>>53544925

>Playing the top faction of the edition
>I swear its skill

>>53544909
The releases will probably be based off of who didn't get a 7th update.

So you can expect IG, vanilla CSM and Nids relatively early I think, squeezed in between the Primaris and Chaos Legion stuff, while armies that got Formation-Detachments like Necrons, CWE and Dark Angels might be waiting a bit.

>>53544919
Now I wish my FLGS held WWE taunts before every match...

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Something confusing me really bad. If my inquisitor gets hit by a weapon with D3, and it wounds, and the inquisitor fails the armor save, I roll a 2+ for each wound to get an acolyte to jump in, so I roll 3d6 and lets say its a 1,1,3 and the acolyte intercepts the mortal wound, is it a D3 mortal wound?

>>53544972
Taudar is an unholy disgusting alliance that makes everyone want to retch

I'd match rather have a friendly rivalry between Nids and DE than have us be butt-buddies picking on the weaker armies below us.

>>53544925
I was talking about deldars but you just don't understand how waacfaggotry works.

Hey guys. So about Eldar getting nerfed in 8th...I wouldn't hold your breath. Fortune instead of Guide for using Vypers to tarpit/screen against other stuff. Doom so you can attrition down Land Raiders and stuff if needed. Guide goes on Snipers, Snipers kill support pieces. Tempest Launchers are hilarious.

+Outrider Detachment+

* Farseer w/ Singing Spear, Doom and Fortune - 120

* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96

* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96

* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96

* 3 Windrunners w/ Shuriken Cannons - 96

* Vyper w/ 2 Shuriken Cannons - 88

* Vyper w/ 2 Shuriken Cannons - 88

* 5 Rangers - 100

* 2 Dark Reapers, and Exarch w/ Tempest Launcher - 110

* 2 Dark Reapers, and Exarch w/ Tempest Launcher - 110

Total Cost: 1000

>>53544961
Oblits aren't gunline anymore, they are close up suicide termi style things.

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>>53544876
No. Terrain has it's own rules section in advanced rules. It mostly just slows down charges though rather than movement.

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>>53544972
we are
we are just playing catch

>>53544943
>they'll get updated after sisters.
So, never?

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>>53544930
You have your moment anon. You have earned it.

>>53544955
Jesus Christ, what size of game are you playing anon.

You need more HQs though.

The Predator Autocannon looks pretty tasty for Chaos, you think it'll be worth taking with a havoc launcher and 2 hb sponsons?
2d3 str 7 dmg 3 cannon
6 str 5 dmg 1 hb
D6 str 5 dmg 1 havoc

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>>53545009

>>53544954
Only nids, deldar is a forced meme

>>53544940
I'm pretty pleased with the changes to the Inquisition. Now they actually feel fluffy and I can bring in my SW:A killteam without much conversion work. Too bad there's no hellrifle, but I guess you can't have it all.

>>53544975
Faggot I've played this faction since it didn't have a single model in plastic outside of the blue Genestealers from Space Hulk and I've STILL got the metal hordes to show it, I don't give a damn what the whiners think, I just had to live through a decade of Cruddex hell.

And yes, even being the top faction this edition, it will still take more skill than the top factions of the previous edition, because the overall balance disparity is still closer and playing a melee race takes a lot more thinking than a gunline.

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>All these wild changed
>Matt Ward is back at GW

>>53544969
Yeah no Primaris customization and Redemptor isn't released yet, and get don't want 3rd parties to scoop up profits of its for good rules.

>>53544875

Tau got nerfed a ton, so they'll probably be stuck languishing a while

>>53544909

Who knows what the backburners will be this time
Aside from obviously not primarines

>>53544972
You don't share a keyword.

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SLAANESH PARTY WHEN

>>53544620
i was pretty worried after i saw the sicaran rules for ad mech but then people explained why im a moron and now im just hyped that shooty kastelans are badass as fuck

>>53544930
>tfw 8th has completely energised you to paint nids
I've done 3 warriors and a carnifex done today, tomorrow I'll do a production run for 10 devilgants and 20 Hormagaunts, then the next day a Trygon

>>53544994
Once per damage anon. So in this case inwiistor wuuld take 2.

>>53545008
Except you can't take solo Obliterators anymore. So that's an idiotic idea. Plus you do jack shit vs anyone that runs a horde.

>>53544822
Well thankfully HWT are gonna be dirt cheap now, so there's that

>>53544930
I always liked the THERES TOO MANY OF THEM. Match up and the books and fluff made them terrifying. Congrats Nidanon

>>53544994
You fail your safe, take X wounds. Then you roll a die for each wound you lost (X) and on 2+ that wound is taken by the acolyte.
Example: Lascannon hits and wounds. It deals d6 damage and rolls 5. You make 5 rolls and for each '1' your inquisitior loses a wound and each '2+' one acolyte loses a wound.

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I'm just sad I can't bring my Sisters of Battle with my Dark Eldar anymore. Sisters are so expensive I only had an Allied detachment of them, so I made a whole narrative about how my Archon captured them and used them in battle along side her Kabal. I even modified/painted a Beast Master as a counts-as for their Sister Superior. Now that's gone :/

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>slowly but surely built up a huge CSM army year after year despite them never going above mediocre in the last 10 years
>now they're confirmed shite yet again, APART from berzerkers
lucky I have 60 of these lads and rhinos to go with them

Is this gonna be the flamer meta?

>>53545009
There's also battlezones for extra stuff but those tend to be a bit too nasty for my tastes.

>>53545037
No he's not. He did a couple weeks to a month of consulting then left.

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>>53544142
>because Marine players will deny it all day long

>>53544930
Good for you Nid-anon. I mean it, after all this time, you deserve it!

>>53545059
I've actually nearly based my entire army since the leaks started in preparation for the launch games at my flgs

>>53545076
Well, you can't expect them to pander to all sorts of insanity.

>>53545046
>inside that woman's mirror is her true face
i finally noticed this and freaked

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>>53545071

I shoved as much as I could out of what I already own into 2000pts.

Time for half my army to die to perils.

>>53545037
Matt Ward was working on AOS. ADB confirmed it.

>>53545071
>>53545061
right but my point is, does the Acolyte die from jumping in because its a D3 weapon (and acolytes have 3 wounds)

>>53544961
Interesting point, I just wish there was a viable CSM Havoc kit, I'm running out of heavy bolters to proxy as autocannons.

>>53545087
The hidden objectives are batshit insane.
>Take 1d3 mortal wounds for discovering this objective

Nightfighting too

>>53545084

Lol no. D6 auto hits against 30 man units is garbage.

>>53545139
Yeah I'm just going to make my own that aren't nonsense.

>>53544473
As someone who owns over 60 tyranids warriors I am ecstatic about 8th edition

>>53545081
How? Only a few units actually changed their role. Possessed are shot as always, obliterators >>53545084
are now mid-range fire support, Hell-turkeys are flyer-killers etc. If you're talking about Legion's, we're pretty much guaranteed to get out Codex by end of summer.

>>53545121
Its like Dorian Grey only sexy

>>53545158
Better than the rest of the templates. Also, heavy flamers are somehow decent AA now.

>>53545133
Forgeworld legion weapon kits. Five heavy weapons of your choice for 13 pounds.

>>53544946
You lose out on Canticles if you mix other stuff with Ad Mech though.

>>53545158
This will be Napoleonic Ork meta.

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>>53545167
>CSM Codex
>that isn't Deathguard
>this decade
>mfw

Thousand-shits didn't even get a lore! They already got their sales, so now they can be ignored, too!

All I was hoping for was for possessed to be good, lads.

>>53545128
Not always. They only one wound per roll, but you have to put all wounds on a wounded model.

>>53545117
Is it so much to want a multi-faction army?

>>53545128
No, the damage is already rolled. It just move any unsaved wound already caused from inq to acolyte on 2+.

>>53545163
Last editions were fine. Hell just make them D3 S4 AP-1 wounds and call it a day rather than fucking mortal wounds.

>>53545048
Please explain again for the rest of us who are still morons? Split fire should be nice, but I feel like it still really slows down an amy with no transports...

>>53545198
Mind explaining anon? I'm a Son of Perturabo, and things look fine to me. I just have to shift tactics from the retarded "spam single oblits".

>>53545196
You mean stormboy and Nob on a bike with a flamer meta

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>>53545199
>possessed
>good

>>53544943
Vanilla CSM always get fast codexes, which is why they suck so hard usually, last time it was so quick they got a codex before the new edition even came out

>>53545229

It's happened before, in 30k

>>53545202
The game will never be balanced if all combinations are possible. And I rather have a somewhat balanced game than Tau with pet Tyranids.

>>53545167
>Only a few units actually changed their role.
exactly, and none of them were ever exactly shining beacons of hope for me

>Possessed
nerfed even harder
>Obliterators
lost any flexibility (when that was their entire point)
>Heldrakes
can now be ASSAULTED and torn to pieces by enemy units
>Forgefiend
now cannot move without only hitting on 5s, otherwise nothing else is changed
>Havocs
literally the same, clueless as to why they bigged them up in the faction focus
>Kharn
nerfed with a points increase to top it off
>Legions
Rubrics do look alright, but plague + noise marines are still lacking in a niche role
>cultists
points increased, not buffed
>psykers
every psyker is utterly useless now

>>53545198
>>53545225
Plus no one gets lore. That's what you buy the exlanded rulebook and choices for. Are you talkimg about the DG intro? That's copy paste from the starter set rules.

>>53545038
I thought these books are the new codexes. you say these aren't the final rules?

>>53545202
>tfw can play any flavor of nids/gsc/guard barring a few select options
Feels real fucking good man

>>53545200
>>53545204
If I get 4 wounds that are D3 on a model with W6 in a unit, and the it fails all its saves, it kills two models in the unit, not one?

>>53545254

They're going to release Codexes as per usual going forward. These books are bringing all armies into an 8th format.

>>53545263
Resolve them one wound at a time. So if the first 4 wounds all roll '1' no one dies. If the first 3 wounds all roll 2 then 1 model dies and you roll the last on for another model.

>>53545212
Honestly Im unsure transports are going to be worth it now. Many of them rival the cost of the unit they are transporting now.

Not to mention templates are out and you can allocate wounds so your special weapons dont get fucked.

>>53545254

Every army is getting it's own codex in time. These are to give you play-ability so it's not quite as barebones like the 2nd to 3rd edition reset of the game.

>>53544964
It's the Octarius War all over again.

>>53545242
Yeah so fuck me then I guess.

Even when 8th makes my main army top tier, does it even matter when it ruins all the stuff I liked about it in the first place? These aren't my Dark Eldar anymore, they're just some random-ass models that make no sense in the context of the new game. Maybe that's why they renamed them.

>>53545252
>no one got lore
>except Death Guard, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slannesh

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>>53545254
These are a stopgap

>>53545302
>theyre a stop gap
>ssme thing happened in AoS
>most factions in AoS never got a Codex
>sigmarines have 3

>>53545166
>OVER 60
DAMN son. I understand having a bunch of Warriors on the shelves but that's fucking insanity.

>>53545250

I actually think Obliterators end up - crunchwise pretty effective. They are obviously very different but their gun is not a bad option.

Please note I am not weighing in on feel, history, or weather you should like them - simply that I believe rules wise they're a very useable unit.

I also think Possessed are field-able - it is a unit of Power Axe attacks now. Its reliable enough to make good target selections.

I like how a lot of the doomsayers and people vehemently bitching compare units to the previous edition. 8th edition isn't a few rules tweaks it's practically a separate game. Saying "but helldrakes are shit compared to 7th" is like comparing 8th ed fantasy units to their sigmar counterparts.

Christ you people haven't even played a game and you screech like autists. Reserve your judgement till you've knocked a dozen games out

>>53545293
Well open play allows it, and I suspect most people will be fine playing against it if you do full battle-forged armies with a Sisters detachment and a DE detachment. You just can't take it to tournaments.

>>53544838
Your Primarch is a weak cunt next to Guilliman

Do Jump Packs have a points value? I can't find anything in Imperium 1.

>be Abaddon
>roll 6 for Drach'nyen
>make 12 attacks that hit on 2+ rerollable, half at S8 AP-3 D3, half at S5 AP-3 D3
>Even more if fighting Imperial scum

Let's go, Black Legion fags.

Army I'm working on:

2k pts battallion detachment

Captain (Relic blade, master crafted bolter) 98
Terminator librarian (Storm bolter, force stave) 161

Tactical squad (plasmagun, plasma cannon) 164
Tactical squad (plasmagun, missile launcher) 168
Infantry squad (grenade launcher, autocannon) 60

Sternguard squad 95
Vanguard squad (jump packs, thunder hammer + storm shield, double lightning claw, double lightning claw, bolt pistol + power sword, bolt pistol + power sword) 149
Contemptor dread (DCCW + Multimelta) 165
Cataphractii terminators (Heavy flamer+power fist, combi bolter + power fist, combi bolter + power sword, double lightning claw, double lightning claw) 245
Veteran squad (3 flamers, heavy flamer) 96

Predator Annihilator 202
Leman Russ (Battle cannon, 3 HBs) 178
Heavy weapon squad (3 mortars) 27

Chimera 93
Razorback (Double assault cannon, storm bolter) 102

>>53545351
Wargear like that is built into the model now, not bought separately like weapons.

>>53545250
>Possessed, Obliterators
This I'll have to admit aren't great. I do like that they get all their old benefits though.

>Heldrakes
With that much movement why are you not skirting them to death, also they got more wounds to compensate.

>Havoc
Changed to shooting and wounding make most heavy weapons useful, not just Autocannons.

>Kharn
Mostly buffs, only need is,that he has to wait for Codex to get his warlord traits back.

>Legion
I meant legion rules, not cult marines. Plague marines are front line troops, Noise marines are close range powerful fire support

>Cultists
Free Autoguns now, so reduces cost bump. And Cultists are easy to buff, and good for billing out Battalion.

>Psyker
Wait for Codex so we have more than the most basic powers.

A lot of your problems seem to be a 7th edition mindset and the bland index rule. I'd say wait and see. It sucks, but so shall it be.

>>53545346
thats not a primarch

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>>53545327
As it should be

Is the new meta swarm lists vs antiswarm?

>>53545320
The first sigmarine "codex" really wasn't one which is why the redid it. Frankly any AoS book pre-Sylvaneth, and thus pre-General's Handbook, is mostly worthless.

But look friend. They've done all this before. It was called 3rd edition.

>>53545365
That will take some time to get used to.

Thank you.

>>53545320
All faction codices are being worked on at the same time.