Don't panic, everything's going to be ok Edition

Does anyone have a imgur album or some shit like that with all the leaks that leakanon posted? I want to see if my Necrons are worth keeping.

>the only models i have is the IG start collecting box
>last thread was full of people hating on the guard
at least tell me how the IG stack up against the other armies, a nerf wont be as bad if everyone else was nerfed

So, how is the Trygon Prime better than regular Trygon?

>>53532870
Synapse and more shooting.

>>53532795
http://imgur.com/account/favorites/XNwSg

All of Xenos 1. Not in good order.

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>T7 W14 valks
>Multiple rocket pods are heavy bolter stats
Only shit thing is grav chute got weird with models dying to it
Master of fleet
>Call in mortal wounds and buff already god-tier looking valks

>>53532931
Thanks anon

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Post bad units

What about legions? Chapter tactics? Septs?

I'm thinking of getting into 40k with 8th edition and I like to put a lot of effort into painting each of my models. What's a good non-knight army that requires relatively few models? Space Marines don't really interest me.

do we have anything on th black templar? i hav mine since 4th edition and iam dying to se them get some love :)

>>53532931

You're a wonderful person anon. Would love xenos 2 if you feel up to it

>>53532949
Ruststalkers are the only bad Admech unit, everything else got buffed to shit. Little sad about no AP-1 on rangers, though

>>53532735
delete this thread, make another one with a proper title and put the link in the OP
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

>>53532970
tau
use suits/tanks

ig
use tanks

>>53532970
Necrons have low model count and they might not be cluttered with details but that just means you could focus on a more intrincated paint job or much more weathering effects or conversion options

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>>53532949
got u senpai

>>53532933
>>Multiple rocket pods are heavy bolter stats
With D6 shots, which makes them simultaneously better and worse. On balance, they're better, but AoS has taught me not to trust random values to be in any way reliable.

(Personally, I'd take the Hellstrikes. Those are damn melta missiles.)

Either way: DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADAAAAAA

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>>53533032
Oh god.

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>>53532931
Ok i read through the reanimation protocols, living metal and quantum shielding and WHAT??!!
Necrons are fucking godly now, holy shit
Also AP-2 Immortals are going to be fun

SO ARE ORKS GOOD

AND DEATHWATCH

>>53533051
pls be real. I'm going crazy waiting for their ff

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>>53533062
I dunno, but this rule is neat

>>53533032
It's somehow simultaneously THICC and too thin. Truly the techniques of the Tau are too advanced for our understanding

>>53533082
That is perfect

Holy fuck

Is dakkafex a thing again?

109 points gets you 12 S7 Ap-1 shots
118 points and you get d3 S7 AP-3 shots (albeit with only 12'' range) on top of that.

>>53533066
I am real, anon, i genuinely think they are good, really good in fact.

>>53533092
the 9" range for being deactivated seems kind of harsh, but yeah

>>53533122
Man I kind of think Deathwatch got cut short this edition. I haven't looked at their point costs yet. Do they stack up well?

>Tempestus are Troops
>Veterans are Elites

WHAT IS HAPPENING.

At least the 'It's for your own good' rule is still stronk and kleer.

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>>53533130

>Its a 'GW is forcing IG players to buy scions' episode

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Have the lore sections been leaked yet?

>>53533117
Yeah, not bad so far. I'm ok with the 5" profile, could be worse. The new RP seems awesome, plus they renamed Destroyer's preferred enemy rule to
>[HARDWIRED HATRED]
How can you not love that?

>>53533130
>veterans are elite
how do i represent my "well-trained and well-equipped" guard army now?
now my only choice is to go with the glory boys, and pretend that they were trained with the kasrkin method instead of the progenia method

>>53533122
Looked at em now. Terminators are now pretty expensive seeing they are 32+whatever a powerfist is but seeing Termies are now 2 wounds maybe it makes up for it, I don't know.

>>53532868
Guard is awesome. Some people complain that the LR Battle Cannon got nerfed when dealing with infantry mobs, but it is now better against heavier targets. Plus, you still have heavy bolters and flamers for weakilngs (and sponsons are great now since apparently they can finally shoot at different targets). Executioner LR variant (heavy 4 s7 ap-1 d2) with 3 heavy bolters can now murder Marines like there is no tomorrow.

And veterans? Apparently, sarges can now take ANY special weapon, one guy can take a heavy flamer, two form a heavy weapon team and three MORE (it is worded as UP TO 3 ANOTHER) can take any special weapon they want. So, for example, 4 meltas, 1 heavy flamer and 1 lascannon in a single squad with BS 3+ . Their firepower is fucking insane for the cost.

>>53533129
I won't comment on rules balance because I've yet to play it, but one dumb thing I noticed is sternguard have "specialist boltguns" with all the ammo types built into one shot (S4, 30", ap -2), while deathwatch keep their three variant ammunition types unchanged.

It does mean deathwatch are a whole lot better at wounding big monsters, though.

>>53533051
Are you retarded? Quantum shields are trash, living metal is bad and their best anti tank shooting is 75 points per lascannon. Necrons are probably the worse faction we've seen in 8th so far.

>>53533145
>Thanks for buying all those limited-run kasrkins.
>Btw we're squatting carapace veterans.

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Daemonic crabs viable now?

>>53533145
What don't you like about scions anon?

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Because Orks aren't allowed to have nice things, right!
Never mind that flamers have actually gotten worse for orks
Never mind that that special rule makes them (unit size) times less reliable than other flamer units
Never mind that every other flamer gets d6 shots
Because Burnas were objectively the most OP unit in the game, and we can't let orks have nice things.

>>53533203
Still too expensive for what it does.

Oh shit, one thing about deathwatch now is that you can take squads of 10 vanguard veterans and 10 bikes

Neat

>>53533198
>Thanks for buying those new Ahriman and Exalted Sorceror models
>Btw all discriders are daemon cavalry again.

>>53533171
basic deathwatch vets have gone down in price, mind

My 500-point ally list is still about 500 points in the new system, and as far as rules go is relatively untouched (though I'll have to paint two teleport homers since they cost no points).

>>53533225
I agree, that's fucking retarded.

Tell me they're at least 2/3 the points?

Oh shit, just checked, A 32 point terminator for deathwatch does indeed come stock with a powerfist and stormbolter. Overall very happy with this change! Veterans are now 19 points from 22 points but the trade off is that some weapons are now more costly, for example the deathwatch frag cannon is now 30 points, upped from 25.

So,

How is it so far, /tg/?

>>53533165
>5"
That's never going to be a problem when you can dump your slow infantry in the face of enemies with night's schytes turn1. Also Destroyer Lords and Canoptek Wraiths are as good as ever.
>>53533194
Heavy Destroyers were, are and will always be overcosted useless shit. You're not really making a good argument for why Necrons are bad by picking one of the most underpowered units in the army, it's like saying Eldars are bad because their melee unit the assault guardians are bad at melee.

>>53533190
Got the full vet page? The one I have is cut off.

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>>53533218

I like them just fine, I own a platoon of them. But I also own 6 squads of vets.

And it's a very obvious ploy by GW. Scions have official models, Vets don't.

Just played my first 8th Ed game using Power.
Primaris Marines "Counts as" Box set.
vs
Ahriman, a squad of Rubricae and a Land Raider.

Guess who won?

>>53533225
>>53533241
because burnas also have a melee profile and the two profiles are no longer mutually exclusive.

>>53533231
I do 2000 points of a full army for deathwatch so this is extra special for me. Might also ally custodians in for shits and giggles down the line.

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>>53532961
Nothing yet

>>53533252
Glad to hear they're still viable. For some stupid reason I bought a battleforce box for them and was getting bummed for sticking myself with minimarines.

>>53532868
>>53533190
This guy is an idiot.
Don't listen to him.

Imperial guard are awful now, and just cheaper shitter Space Manlets.

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>>53533241
Nope, exactly the same points.
They also somehow made cybork bodies even worse.
And there's no looted wagon in the index.
>orks will be good and fun in 8ed, r-right?

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HAHAHAHA YES

>>53533288
Retcon is retconned

DEUS VAULT

>>53533261
The fucking Land Raider

I stopped playing a while ago. I still follow the fluff though, and this new big lore change interests me.

Around what date can I come here and get a scan of the new rulebook with all the new lore in it? Does someone normally do it on release or does it take a while to scan?

>>53533288
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

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My armies are Tsons, Astra Militarum and Tau.
Boy am I in for a long winter.

>>53533277
Infernus heavy bolter is 25 points, upped from 20. You gotta keep in mind though that heavy weapons got a huge buff this edition, so we no longer have to fire snapshots after moving but instead a meager -1 to hit. Also heavy flamers are awesome.

>>53533255
Heavy destroyers are the best AT Necrons get in 8th, point for point. That's the whole issue - they've got shit for high quality shooting. The next best thing costs 174 points and it's the Triarch stalker which is T6 and degrades. Necrons are actual trash now.

>>53533260
You got a pic of the scions index?

>>53533285

>For every 5 models in the unit one may have a Cybork Body

WHAT
THE
EVERLIVING
FUCK

They actually fucking did it.

Death to the False Emperor only affects Imperium models.

Marks no longer exist.

Holy fuck.

>>53533306
Tau is perfectly fine if you aren't a Riptard

>>53533297
Land raider sat on the board edge and traded shots with the hellblasters all game.

Was actually the rubrics got most work done.
Stood knee-deep in a crater and just killed everything that came at 'em.

All is Dust: Kind of very powerful now.

>>53533329
For now. Marines don't have chapter tactics either. This is all ground rules and we will get supplements later.

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>>53533260
I ripped apart my scions to make vets.

>>53533329
Marks exist. They just don't do anything yet.

>>53533288
>Each battlefleet contains thousands of warriors
yay

>>53533321
and it still costs 5 points
for a fucking 6+ fnp
that the painboy negates
and 'eavy armour is gone.
just gone.
We now have 6+ and 2+, outside of bikes.
And meganobz, of course, have movement 4"

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>Roll for each model in a unit up to maximum of 10 times
>Each 4+ is a mortal wound

Holy shit Blitz-bombers just became awesome

>>53533329
They also nerfed the shit out of Oblits, Mutilators, Possessed and Sorcerers.

>>53533348
Well Ghaz has a 4++. So that's one thing kinda off the list.

>>53533354
Flash gitz and lootas are also pretty good, I just have no comprehension of what possessed them to nerf some of the weakest units and choices in the game in other parts of the index.
I'm not buying an index. I've decided. I'm going to wait until they give us actual rules we can play our armies with, not ones for little timmy who stuck the pauldrons on backwards.

>>53533312
High power anti-tank was never a Necron strong point, and again you're also taking the worst unit out of the faction to make a case for it, do you remember any list that won tournaments that run Doomscythes, Apocalypse Barges or Heavy Destroyers? I don't, the closest thing i saw as dedicated AT was a Triarch Stalker to deal with AV14 spam but that's it. Those list were always heavy on the melee side and that's how Necrons deal with vehicles, you just charge them and wreck them with with Warschytes and Wraiths.

>>53533354
>4d6 shots
>Every hit is a mortal wound
>All units within 6" also take D3 mortal wounds on a 4+

I raise you the Deathstrike.

>>53532931
Can't view it on my phone because imgur is retarded, forces me to download the app then doesnt let me find the content.

Fuck imgur.

Can you use Primaris marines with Deathwatch?

>>53533348

Nobz have 4+ base. That's something I suppose.

>>53533381

>Flash Gitz are still 6+ save

WHY? Like, I just don't get it.

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>>53533130
>>Veterans are Elites

>>53533194
>>53533283
at least orks and nids are cool right?

>>53533130
>Veterans are Elites
And its logical

Bummed that my Thousand Sons sorcerers got hard nerfed, no real spell variety, though happy that Rubrics seem to have become good. At least I didn't buy Magnus. Can't wait to play a few games though.

>>53533405
don't see why not.

keywords.
just make your primaris <chapter> <deathwatch>

>Magnus charges a Knight, with Prescience on. 8 attacks on charge, auto-hitting and generating 2.66 more thanks to Death to the False Emperor and Prescience. S16 vs T8, so wounding on 2s, for 9 wounds. Knight gets no saves due -4 AP. Knight takes 27 damage and dies.

If he doesn't auto-hit and has to reroll 1s, he could get even more attack from Death to the Emperor on average, to say nothing of Mortal Wounds he gets on top of all of this.

>>53533429
Deathwatch isn't really a chapter thats why I'm perplexed...

>>53533408
They do have strong shooting though, they're more accurate than Tau and they can theoretically shoot infinitely, with exploding shooting phases.
I'm fucking pissed about looted wagons though. GW does realise that in order to make a looted wagon I need to buy a vehicle kit and some ork kits, for the parts? They make MORE money by giving us looted wagons? No, of course not, just buy more 76 pt trukks.

>>53533130
Scan? please?

>>53533288
Not gonna lie, former Black Templar here. This is fucking hilarious watching Helbrecht crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the Primaris Marines.

>>53533312
But if you bring both you got a sweet AT formation with the destroyers hitting on 3 and re rolling 1s

>>53533190
the sergeant can't take any special weapon, what it says is ranged weapon - this is the bolt pistol, bolter and plasma. They tell you what's what on the first page of the guard entry :D

>>53533419

see
>>53533225
>>53533285

>>53533166
Take the detachment thats one HQ and like 3-9 elites mandatory.

Can Wolf Lords only be taken on Thunderwolves now?

>>53533051
>>53533194

Holy shit, quantum shielding is both amazing and terrible until a specific situation is observed to collapse the waveform. Please stop being so meta, Crons.

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>>53533130

>special weapon squads, platoon commanders and command squads are elites

so uh
...
are csm good now

>>53533418
>>53533130
Just fucking wait you fools.
Regiments are coming, I'm sure there is some regiment that has vets as troops.
Also, if regiments are coming, are the forgeworld regiments (dkok/elysians) getting merged into gw? Or since the model line is getting squatted temporarily, are elysians getting merged into gw's line rather than staying in forgeworld for new casts/models

>>53533444
see >>53532278

OH FUCK
>DEATHWATCH FRAG CANNON FRAG ROUNDS
S6 -1AP ASSAULT 2D6
>THIS WEAPON AUTOMATICALLY HITS TARGETS
oh jesus

>>53533471
>using special weapon squads in 8th
huh?

>>53533130
>Veterans are Elites

Just like in 3rd ed

>>53533475

Elysians and DKOK are getting updated rules in a FW book after the SM/Chaos ones

>>53533442
in the deathwatch rules bit, it says all units become <deathwatch> for their chapter...

and all the non-chapter specific stuff has <chapter> for their chapter....

so predators <deathwatch>

psyched for
>fellblade <deathwatch>

>>53533473
They're back to 6th ed levels of bad. Now with even less flavor (just look at the Oblit/Mutilator/Possessed entries).

The only things that got buffed were cult marines.

>>53533470
Yeah, i know, it's ony good against D6 damage weapons but look at what are those weapons: all high Str AT that makes for at least 70% of the dedicate AT we have in this game. It's pretty RNG based though but it's still pretty good

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>stormtrooper command stick actually has rules

>>53533483
Nothing really unexpected. Template weapons are 1D6 auto-hit, frag cannon had two templates.

>>53533471
Build a Brigade Detachment, you'll be fine and have plenty of slots for stuff and a bunch of rerolls as well.

>>53533471
Stay strong, Trooper. I am sure we will get old organisation back in our Codex.

I believe.

Believe.

>>53533496
oh shit you're right
OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT
I can take so many fucking units now holy shit it is a good day for deathwatch

Where is the old thread? I missed the guard!

>>53533422
its easier to train someone from birth to be a killing machine than it is for a normal joe to be given a bit more training and experience?

>>53532931
This is straight bullshit that eldar monofiliment is still -4AP and deldar monofiliment is just "reroll failed wounds."

>>53533503
2d6 s6 ap-1 shots though. Thats gonna cause some damage.

>>53533516
So essentially all (loyal) marine factions got buffed, while everything else was nerfed to varying degrees?

Oh Geedubs, this is low even for you.

>>53533329
Fuck.

Getting into 40k 8th with a friends ancient Blood Angels army I am preparing to reinforce slightly.

What am I in for?

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>>53533516
>>53533496
don't mean to burst your bubbles, but they covered that

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Ive got everything, hit me up with what you want bois

>>53533524

check out this the rules for everyone got leaked >>53533481

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>>53533483

>>53533534
Bro my deathwatch were losing game after game it's good to see my dudes getting some love. Tyranids though got the biggest buff.

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>>53533516
>>53533496
Uhh. There's a list of explicitly the things you can use out of the generic SM army.

>>53533534
no sign of my deathgrip cock-tuggers though.

smashfucker et al M.I.A

>>53533400
Nobody used to run them because S7 was good, and gauss was dangerous to vehicles. Neither of those are true now. Also, warscythes got nerfed as well, they were armourbane and are now basically autocannons. You are just wrong on this.

>>53533538
Im going to kill myself

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Has been this page posted yet? I see that many chapters are getting Primadonnas, including the Raven Guard

In the right column there are the two new chapters I knew, the Fulminators and the Blades of Vengeance but I can't read the third one, which by the looks of it seems a White Scars successor.

Anybody has a readable pic of this one?

>>53533547
I'm glad, Tyranids deserved a buff.

>>53533555
what does gauss do now?

>>53533538
ghey.

thanks for reading properly.

>>53533540
Scarab Occult

>>53533542
Thanks based anon.
You are more based than the pusyposter and boy the guy is based.

>>53533551
> fukin chapter recieved his own rules
> glorius legions didnt

>>53533540
orks
especially shokk attack gun

>>53533491
source?
Also are elysians going to get a product line update?
When are other factions getting FW model rules?
I mean, more than half my collection is forgeworld so I'd only be able to play max 1500 point games with the new points cost with gw stuff, thought I could always use FW stuff as proxies for similar size+role gw models

So... I can't use primaris with deathwatch...

Why live...

>>53533570
No special rules. Basically just an extra -1 AP over similar guns in other factions.

>>53533547
Then why are so many Nid players bitching? Orks also got fucked in the ass through point costs. Chaos lost pretty much all of it's flavor while getting weaker overall. DEldar are just worst Eldar, Tau got just btfo and Guard lost a shit-ton of flexibility. And apparently Necrons have been stripped of reliable AV options.

I'm happy for Deathwatch, but this edition has been a disaster so far.

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>>53533582

>>53532933

>Hellstrike missiles aren't one use only

Glad I've not built any Valkyries yet.

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>>53533597

>>53533610
To be honest my Deathwatch haven't gotten the biggest of buffs. I still don't get any new units to work with. I'll be honest though, we are gonna need to see how things play out when we actually get to play games.

>>53533598
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

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So reading through the leaks and I need to be told this is wrong otherwise it'll be stupid

It says you can take an item from the melee weapons list on an overlord and the melee weapon list is every necron melee weapon. So whats stopping me from giving my Overlord Nightbringers d6 damage fleshbane scythe.

>>53533598

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

>Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June.

All we know about Elysians is what FW told us in emails/facebook, that some kits are getting merged or repaired (like the Tauros). Their online store still has most of the Elysian line.

>>53533612
>replace bolter with sword
> have a stave and sword now
Any reason to do this?

>>53533638
There's a specific melee weapons list at the start of the Necron rules that lay out what they can take.

>tfw Overlord with Scythe/Orb is 5 points cheaper than Anrakyr, when the latter has +1 S/Attacks/Wounds and a bunch of other rules.

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>>53532931
>Lelith
>Combat Drugs

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Now that the dust has kicked up, whats the most fun army to start this edition?

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>Zoanthropes keep their invuln and have become even better psychic batteries
>Neurothrope is getting closer to the DoM
>Maleceptor is actually usable
>Deathleaper is an actual character killer
I am one happy nidfag at this moment.

>>53533618
Are hellstrikes being not one use only better or worse?
It seems like anti-armour valks could work with more sustain now but anti-horde valks seem extra rapey with the buff to rocket pods.
I'm more excited for 6 lascannon toting vendettas and seeing how vultures are balanced
Also do we know how flyers work in 8th? Do they just start normally on the board?
>>53533647
>>53533631
I know that but I thought something new cropped up on top

>>53533668
Not guard apparently

>>53533605
>organization that is composed exclusively of distinguished veterans can't use fresh recruits
Jeez what surprise!

>>53533652
If you want access to both melee profiles for use against opponents of differing stats. In practical terms though, no.

>>53533540
Please gimme IG (Imperium 2 I guess)

Please

>>53533668
Definitely not necrons, The army is gonna be boring as shit because they took out all the variety leftover from the last editions rule culling

>tfw I will never again have my cryptek play a harp and instantly penetrate a vehicle at infinite range

>>53533668
Sisters of Battle

>>53533540
Is yarrick still in? If so please show

>>53533623
ta!

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>>53533686
Specifics?

>>53533681
I guess you're right but man are my veterans gonna look like manlets compared to the Elite chad marines.

>>53533538
What about Primaris Mahreens?

>>53533689
He asked for "most fun", not "most likely to be squatted"

>>53532795
here you go anons. This icludes all index books and rulebook (in no order whatsover because imgur sucks)

>http://imgur.com/a/JZrm4

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>>53533697

>>53533709
We don't get Primaris marines.

>>53533717
>yarrick has a 3+ save against dying
fucking kek

>>53533663
Seems she gave in to the doping culture.

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honestly didn't think he'd get rules, but I'm very happy he did

LORE LEAKS WHEN?

I have a question about Guard Keywords. So for Straken, he gives all Catachan units within 6 inches a bonus melee attack. I've been using a count as Straken since 5th that isn't Catachan. Can I just say all my units are Catachan for rules purposes even though some models are Cadians and others are an assortment of models?

>>53533668
What is 'Fun' for you?

>>53533751
Nope, those are different regiments

>>53533500

Necron vehicles with quantum shields, T6 and 4+ armor saves take noticeably less damage than predators from krak missiles and lascannons. They take noticeably less damage than Russes from lascannons and about equal (slightly less but the percentages are in low single digits) from krak missiles.

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>>53533751

>>53533745
Your fucking imperial space marine got rules and looted wagons didn't
Holy shit these indexes were thrown together at the last minute

>>53533717
>No longer regiment <Armageddon>

What

>>53533775
Looted Wagons don't have an official model. That's literally the whole reason.

>>53533756
Good variety of cool looking units, weapons, sizes, abilities and competitively viable.

>>53533737
Every time you hit that 3+ it's like playing pretend shooting games as a kid.

"I hit you!"
"No you didn't!"
>>53533768
Oh okay, perfect, thank you. So I'll just nominate all my units from the start on my list. I'm excited. Straken, plus a Priest. Gonna have 3 attacks for my infantry in close combat.

>>53533751
thumbing through the book, pretty much only named characters have a pre-set regiment, everything else just has <Regiment> So you could call all your shit Catachan

>>53533775
>>53533788
>Other things without official models
>Carapace Vets
>Camo Vets
>Eavy Armor Boyz n' Nobz

Do you still have Biker Nobz?
We should compile a 'conversion shafting' list.

>>53533799
Seems like that is the plan I will go with. I'm glad they included something like that. I love that Straken.

>>53533094

I guess you can use it for fun

>cypher is actually a heretic
Damn it, so DA are not secret chaosfags

>>53533702
Orders are kinda neutered.

>>53533821
any good news about the guard?

>csm can replace bolters with chainswords
WHY I CANT TAKE BOTH? WHERE MY LEGIONS RULES?

>>53533821
How so? The effects are still very good, and you dont have to roll anymore.

>>53533817

Just fags.

>>53533829

Blobs are no more

>>53533839

Do you even play guard? The range use to be 12".

That said, if an officer is near a vox you can order 18" as long as the unit receiving the order has a vox as well.

>>53533829
valkyries look fucking great
T7 and W14, multiple rocket pods are heavy bolters with d6 shots and hellstrike missiles are S8 Ap-3 Heavy 1 that never runs out

>>53533821
> It's 5th Ed play CSM - DG and DE
> It's 6th enjoy heldrake as everything else is shit
> It's 7th both armies and shit, enjoy a few months of fearless and relentless
> It's 8th DE are back to monobuild 5th Ed shit, CSM to go back in the trash

I don't understand how they could fuck this up so bad

>>53533863
>buying a valkyrie
time to sell my liver

are mech guard still viable

>>53533846

That... isn't good news for guard.

>>53533829
Veterans suck. For me this is the end of the guard I like. I will keep a small scion army and that's about it. Probably not even that, I must use tax HQ.
Meh.

>>53533829
taurox prime's pretty bonkers
6w sentinels seem cute
officer of the fleet's strafing runs mite b worth
rough riders are gud
bullgryn get 2+ saves

>>53533856
Nah i dont play guard, which is why i was asking how it was neutered.

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>>53532735
Managed to cut my hand and wrist pretty badly last night while trying to pull apart a Sisters Rhino. Missed all the tendons and arteries thankfully, so I only came home with 9 stitches.
I am a dumb lucky bastard and I know now that even at a bargain, those sisters are more trouble than they're worth.

What's your worst injury from the hobby anon's?

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>necron gauss weapons have no special rules at all in 8th edition

Welp, guess I'll just have to wait until they release codexes to play 8th. Maybe then they'll do something.

>>53533866
We will see with the future books but frankly I have no trust in people that designed the Obliterators or the Dogs in the Vineyard ork weapon.

>TFW Tempestus now count as a shitty Guard regiment.

>>53533829
It's a mixed bag.

Vets are Elite
Special weapon squads are Elite
Heavy Weapon Squads are Heavy Support
No Platoons
Infantry Squads are 10 men for 1 troop choice for 4 points for each guy
Conscripts are a 20-50 blob squad 3 points
Commissars have AoE Leadership bonus and within 6 inches you won't lose more than 1 guy from battleshock
Orders are 6 inches but auto pass
Vox casters need to be in the command unit and the infantry unit, but that extends order range to 18 inches
Priests give a plus 1 attack AoE bonus
Chimeras cost 10 points more
Bullgryn are largely unchanged but their mauls are better and slabshields give a 2+ save, they are cheaper too
Tauroxs are fast and deliver tons of dakka especially the prime model
>>53533846
Conscript blobs still are, you can have up to 50 same as before.
>>53533875
It's not as bad as you think.

Head over here to download Imperium 2 zip
>>53532278

>>53533873
>buying a valkyries
Bruh, I own 10 valks, with magnets to make them vendettas/sky talons
Though in return I only own 60 infantry models and nothing else for my army
>Mech guard
well vets are elites and apparently they suck now, transports are more expensive, though durability went up and tanks are looking good, as long as you don't use plasma on them

>No Black Legion rules
>No Alpha Legion rules
>No Night Lords rules
>No Iron Warriors rules
>No Word Bearers rules

Pls hurry with that Chaos codex, GW

>>53533890
Sliced open my index finger with a hobby knife, that's about it.

>>53533921
>Alpha Legion
>Chaos
Pick one

If everything is equally shit, GW managed to balance the game!

>>53533348
we also lost red go fasta

>>53533904
They are much better now because of this. You get to have deepstriking troops and Leman/Artillery support.

>>53533921
Same, I miss my legion rules. At least my precious Daemon engines won't be one-shot now.

>>53533908
>bullgryn are largely unchanged
actually there's two noticeable changes;

you can give your club orgyn slabshields if you want, and brute shields give a 4++ instead of a 5++

>>53533890
>Inhaling a shit tonne of resin dust and having an asthma attack

So I'm totally up the nerfs/buffs in the new CSM entries (Based on one of the imgur albums). I'm ignoring special characters and cult units, and instead focusing on the stuff available to all CSM.


Chaos Lords got buffed.
Chaos Sorcerers got buffed for beatstick status, but nerfed hard on their casting.
Dark Apostles got nerfed.
Daemon Princes got buffed (Tougher, automatically casters with marks)
Warpsmiths got buffed.
CSM got mildly nerfed (May no longer take both bolters and chainswords)
Cultists got nerfed
Terminators got locked into power axes, look identical otherwise other than the terminator changes (-1 move, +1 wound)
Warp Talons got a mild buff
Spawn got buffed.
Heldrakes got nerfed.
Land Raiders got buffed.
Chosen got nerfed.
Possessed got nerfed.
Helbrutes got a slight buff in the form of crazed being reworked.
Mutilators got nerfed
Bikers got nerfed
Raptors got nerfed
Forgefiends got nerfed
Maulerfiends got nerfed
Defilers got nerfed
Vindicators got nerfed (Demolisher cannons are garbage now)
Obliterators got nerfed.

Worth noting - No daemon weapons, havoc launchers are trash, Icons are very meh.

My verdict is we're below 6e.

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>>53533921
We need best legion rules
>>53533931
RENEGADES

So...how are you supposed to build an army list now without points? Just equal power?

>>53533908
are they trying to spin veterans as SWS/HWS hybrids?

not really sure where to go with this, since i no longer have any 3+ shooting in my troops section

>>53533921
Mate that won't be a thing each subfaction will get a book. Message me in 2020 boys I can't believe I'm shelving my CSM again.

The disappointment is soul crushing

>>53533933
So nothing is shit, they just brought the power level down.

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someone help me out, whats the point of the pincers? it seems like a straight downgrade since it takes away an attack from the scytals which are way stronger

>>53533953
there are points, just that they haven't been leaked for most armies
Found at the back page as an index

>>53532933
Just bring back the fucking templates already.

>>53533811
We still have them. Forgeworld makes Nob Biker models. That's the only reason. They'd remove Ghazghkull if they stopped selling his model.
In terms of stuff not with us anymore thats pretty recent:
Grukk face-rippa
Eavy armour boyz
Naked Nobz
All vehicle equipment and relics (seems to be universal)
It's not as bad as the 7ed codex in terms of removing things, but these indices in general are much more dumbed down than what we were lead to believe.

>>53533953
points are in the back of the indexes.

>>53533947
Oh what seriously? I must have misread that. So Slabshields are better all around? I might end up having to break some of my Bullgryn to get the right gear.

>>53533956
Well, Scions are troops now so that's some 3+ shooting. And yes I think they are some kind of hybrid thing. There are theories that they were shoved to the elite section because they don't technically have models.

>>53533964
It was only a week ago people were excited for 8th. I think people are really really overreacting to the changes.

>>53533945
They won't, but both are now worse. Ectoplasma cannons/hades autocannons are bad, and maulerfiends are now slower.

>>53533891

They have improved AP. Two rapid firing necron warriors do the same damage against a predator as an autocannon. Immortals do more.

>>53533971
probably cheaper in points if points were leaked as well
>>53533975
why?

>>53533974
No, the indexes themselves have already been fully leaked....

>>53533974
Oh, that's pretty retarded planning on their part, then.

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>>53533956

vanguard detachment

you get 3-6 elites as mandatory instead of troops

vet armies still live

>>53533933
no.

just that as of now, there is but a pile.

give it time. the wishy washy sloppy poos will sleuce away. and we'll be left with a nice tidy pile of solid turds to push around the table.

>don't forget to paint and polish your turds.

>nobody likes playing with grey faeces.

>>53533979
>scions raised since childhood to be killing machines and indoctrinated through the progenia are rank and file troops
>veterans are normal guardsmen with better training or more experience outrank the scions

>>53533990
but it comes with the talons and the pincer doesnt replace them, it replaces the rattle

>>53533979
>So Slabshields are better all around?
Depends on what you think will be shooting them, I think.

0 and -1 mods? the slabshield is better
-2 mod? they are the same
with -3 mods, the brute shields are better

Since big guns and special close combat weapons are what the club guys'll be facing most of the time (and also what will be the most dangerous, with the multi-damage hits), I think the brute shields would be the better choice over all.

>>53534001
>one command point

>>53533950
Yeah I mostly agree.

Heldrake is odd now that they flyers are different. I don't think it's nerf but.

The selection lockdown for world eaters and death guard makes no sense. Removing roles != As fixing the rule set.

Such a shame since the core game looks a lot better but the points changes (and retarded index layout) increased the barrier for new players.

>>53534017
Ah okay. Right now I have 4 with Powermaul and Brute shield and 4 with Slab and Grenade Gauntlet. Maybe I'll just keep them that way for now and if I find a better combination I'll break em up. I was going to magnetize the shields but I got lazy. I regret that now. I have magnets inside the little shield holder thing, hah.

>>53534028
Heldrake guns are now both pretty terrible. I guess you can look at them as assault units now, but even still.

>>53533950

>CSM

No one really did that anyways, except maybe Death Guard legion players

>Possessed

The only thing I hate is the d3 attacks thing and that you can't give them power weapons a la Gal Vorbak

>Terminators got locked into power axes

REEEEEEE

>>53534008
I don't see where scions are troops. Pic?
Also, I cannot find the Taurox prime points and stats. There is only the normal one in the leaks.

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>>53533950

>possessed got nerfed

>>53534047
>>53534053
Possessed are actually worse in assault than spawn, let that sink in.

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>>53534048
points are in the same spot as all the other IG points costs

All the imperial fortifications are "faction: unaligned"
A basic bunker is T8 W12 sv3+ with 5 fireports and room for 10 models @ 100 points

Compare with a naked rhino @ 70 points for T7 W10 sv3+ and no firepoints

What kind of nice things could YOUR faction put in a bunker or bastion? It's gotta be infantry.

>Steeds of slaanesh riders can advance and charge in the same turn
>6 WC double move power
>APPPPRRROOOOAAACHHIINGGGG SOOOOUUUUNDDDDD BARRRREIIIEEEERRR

>'ardboyz gone
FUCK.
Just after I finished building a unit.

So uh, Vanguard cancer guns confirmed as being the new Gauss? 2 wounds on 6s is pretty fun now that every walker and vehicle has a T value and Wounds.

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>>53533890
When I was new to the hobby I changed the blad eon my hobby knife a few months in. Wanting to see how much plastic it could cut through, I positioned it on one side of a thick Chaos Marine bit I didn't need, and put all my weight on the blade pushing it away, while drawing the bit in. After a few seconds of force, the blade blew right through the plastic and the side of my finger. Probably the stupidest thing I've ever done. I completely lucked out on the angle and location it cut me, missed every tendon, muscle and vein possible. No stitches afterward, just put superglue on that bitch.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/31/new-warhammer-40000-warzone-ultramar-may31gw-homepage-post-4/

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>pic is list in 7ed
Here's the list in 8ed
>HQ
Archon: Agoniser, Blast Pistol - 68
4x Sslyth - 176
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Troops
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Warriors: Blaster - 50
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Elites
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]
5x Trueborn: 2x Dark Lances, 2x Blasters - 125
[Venom: 2x Splinter Cannons - 95]

>Fast Attack
5x Scourges: 4x Heat Lances - 170
5x Scourges: 4x Dark Lances - 150
6x Reavers: Agoniser, 2x Heat Lances, 2x Caltrops - 244

>Heavy Support
3x Talos: 6x Scapels, 6x Heat Lances - 363
Total: 1996/2000 points

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>>53534084
They are still only toughness 3 and given that stats are no longer capped at 10, I suspect big things like Knights will be untouchable, though that's what Arc Rifles are for. Shame about Rangers though, they are now totally useless.

>>53534062
Thanks!
Well, at least the taurox looks like can punch above its weight!

>>53534081
they will come back with the codex. Probably dei will make a seprate model as they did the 'ard boyz in sigmar

>>53534046
That is how I see them. With S7 and T6/7 fly, decent ranged weapons and 30" movement they rush shit.

However I play death guard so I can't take them. Even though there is no buffs that I can see for not using the chaos keyword instead

>>53534100
But they don't care about T. They do 2 wounds on a 6.

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>ultra right leaning conservative in real life
>hate Hollywood degeneracy
>still love Slaanesh and everything about him

Am I the only one?

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>>53534107
Yep.

>heavy 20

>>53534132
>ultra right leaning conservative

No you're not.

>Am Inthe only one?

Yes.

>>53533612
So does this mean that scarab occult cant be hurt by anything that doesnt have a d3 or am i missing something?

>>53534132
Its 3 random facts about you thread?

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>>53534091

>Calling upon three of his greatest commanders, Nurgle tasked them with next conquering Ultramar.”

We Maggoth Lords now

Anyone can find chaplains in power armor on the leaks? seems like they forgot that model exists and gave it no rules, Mines got a damn jump pack on it too.

>>53533964
>So nothing is shit, they just brought the power level down.
Except for marine infantry and tyranids, which got significantly better. Also, everything else kind of got shafted equally, so orks are still bottom of the heap, eldar are still good. Just marines got bumped to the top and tyranids to the middle.

>>53534151
Still pretty sure rolls of 1 always fail, but i havent actually seen it mentioned in the rules.

>>53534132
>>53534147
I'm pretty right-winged myself and I love the looks of daemonettes and old-school noise marines.

>>53534064
Two squads of Rangers with 4 Arquebi between them is my first thought, because fuck your Chaos Lords and Captains, but then I realized that Bulky isn't a thing anymore and I could feasibly fire my Kataphron Destroyers from it and create a total killing field.

Or, best of all, 5 Rangers with two Arquebi AND three Kataphrons, for when you want the buffs to go away before throwing 15 S5 -3 shots downrange.

>>53534151
D2 or more works
any negative modifier on the armor roll also works

if the rules are anything like age of sigmarines, rolls of 1 will always fail, though I haven't bothered looking the core rules changes up yet

>>53534144
maybe i can try running a vet and scion army
army rangers and special force

>>53534163
Same, which is scary.
Has anyone seen it say a dice can't be re-rolled more than once?

>>53533890
Glued a IG torso to my cock on accident once.

>>53534147
I can prove it, I voted drumph

im also gay though, but no one would ever guess given how I act

Slaanesh is just too fantastic

>>53533540
Sisters of silence please

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>>53533921
>>53533950
>tfw I only started 40k cause i got a hype boner making a night lords army after playing eternal crusade
>tfw im now learning said army is probably going to be shit and not even have theme bonuses until some book is released god knows when

yay me spending time and money buying 10 csms and conversion bits.

At least i didnt go all in getting other models.

>>53533540
Every index and the rule book.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

>>53534186
>I can prove it, I voted drumph
That only proves you're retarded, not right-winged.

>>53534107
>>53534144
Hyped as shit for Taurox and Taurox Prime. Shame I only have 1. My Chimeras will be for Bullgryn and then maybe a Vet squad carrying a Priest and Commissar.
>>53534176
Definitely. I mean you can model it however you want too. The deepstriking Scions can just look like droop troops and you can call them Scions.

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>>53534197
Same. I cant even say "you killed wrong alpharius, now this guy is my warlord"

>>53534062
>For every five models in the unit, up to two other Tempestus Scions may replace their hot shot lasgun

It used to be 2 per unit max didn't it?
That is a handy change.

>>53534017
Remember that you get +1 to saves in cover, so effectively lascannons are only -2 and krak missiles and battlecannons are -1.

Given the far superior aesthetics of the slab shield, I'll take them any day.

Of course, you can also mix them in a unit and choose which one to take the hit on so long as you aren't wounded.

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>>53534193

>>53534229
is the LR punisher the only one worth taking?
everyone hates the new battle cannon, and some mental math tells me that the autocannon is about the same damage wise

>>53532735
thread is too long .. if you want EVERYTHING IN THE BOOKS GET IT NOW>>

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

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>>53534163
>>53534176
Rolls of a 1 always fail for armour saves, haven't seen it say so for anything else so if it doesn't say, it can auto-pass.

>>53534062
What about the Tempestor Prime?

I am guessing he is a stand alone character now?

>>53534162
Dark Eldar seemed to jump WAY up this edition. From Ork tier to pretty damn good tier.

>>53534132
Yeah far right conservatives tend to be closet faggots.

>>53534182
Fucking how? Were you assembling IG naked? Did you just flop your cock out and beat the meat at how well your IG were coming along? Did the glued IG torso fall down the front of your pants and glue itself to the cock? Details, man.

>>53534232
Didn't even notice that. Yeah, that is handy.

Vox officers being relegated to pistols is kind of shit, on the other hand. They used to be able to keep their rifles.

>>53534250
So far it seems to be the best. Depending on the Executioner Cost, that might be okay too. I also think the Eradicator will be useful. I'm sure some units will get multiple cover buffs, so that will be nice for negating that.

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WUT?

>>53533499
fug

Any Dark Angels leaks yet?

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The maulerfiend is going to be fucking sick
4 Strength 12, AP -3, Damage 3 attacks
2D6 Strength, AP -2, Damage 2 attacks
for 173 points

Thank god i already have 3

>>53534200
>Nice, I'm not buying anything but the FW books until the codexes start coming out.

Speaking of that, are they still completely silent on the FW Indexes?

>>53534306

Ever played BFG?

>4 attacks
>S10
>AP -3
>D 3
Penitent engines gonna fuck shit up

>>53534289
Yes. Upstate NY Is pretty hot and humid in the summer, and I don't like clothes. I'm sitting at my desk, the torso slips from my hands, and I was using ultra thin glue. I thought it hit the ground, but it was glued right to the top of the shaft. That was a painful few hours, and the guardsman became a Sargent named Richard

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>>53534306
a normal chaos cruiser, from the looks of it

>>53534320
Yase I am hyped for that.

>>53534306
Is that a Star Destroyer?

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>>53534306
Chaos cruiser.

>>53534318
>>53534332
You say itsnt star destroyer from sw?

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>>53534158

>>53534239
Thanks!

>7" movement with a power armour

it seems they are atill undercosted as they were before, but at least bolter ones are cheaper than rest

can melee guard be a thing?
priest + fix bayonets + power axe sergeants + auto hit flamers

>>53534354
Don't forget to count all your guys as "Catachan" even if they aren't technically the Catachan models because Straken also gives a 6 inch plus 1 Attack. You can stack that one with the Priest so you end up with 3 Attacks per normal dude.

>>53534289
newfag detected

>>53534346
Welp time to get a chaplin and some more death company. How many death company do you all think would be a good number per squad?

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>>53534132
>>53534147
>>53534165
>>53534186
My battle brothers!

I think Slaanesh appeals to people like us because Slaanesh can be aesthetic as fuck. Just think of the Diaz Daemonettes or the the Herecy EC.

>>53534310
http://imgur.com/a/JZrm4
about 2/3 of the way down

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What's with the armor upgrade hate? Inquisitors, acolytes, IG vets, even fucking orks all lost options for upgradeing armor. Even SM captains can't take art anymore.

>>53534132
I'm pretty conservative too but I'm definitely a degenerative fetish fiend tranny who worships slaanesh and cock

>>53534311
>Weapons Skill 4
SICKKKKKK.

>>53534426
Just wait for your codex. Entitled much?

>>53534426
It's too hard for kids to understand.

>>53534446
Is "entitled" really the word you were searching for?

>>53534426
I don't get it either. My guess is later on we'll get certain regimental doctrines based on what we've seen with the <Regiment> tag. For now this is just a base line, but later we'll get stuff like "Vostroyan Regiments may take Carapace armor at +2 points per model"

>>53534400
They've always been my favorite, they just have no boundaries and it's so exotic and alluring
>>53534429
>Tfw hate trannies because of stupid liberals but also find them hot because penis and tits and degeneracy

Are you into vore

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Fellow Archons of the Dark City, how do you think we've done so far?
Personally i'm so glad that Wych cult units are back to viablitiy and even stuff like Mandrakes have a use.

I'm a bit annoyed at the lose of Haywire, but T5 Reavers make up for it i suppose
Remember that Darklight is king now

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>Punisher Gatling Cannon
>Heavy 20 S5 AP0 D1

FUCKING YES! Airwing Detachment with 3-5 of these fuckers is going to be heavenly.

>>53534479
I love conflicted boys like you. It makes everything so much hotter. I'm not into vore, but for you I can get into it.

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>>53534471
Hopefully, but that's a baffling and awful way of going about it. Custom regiments would be fucked in denial, and if there's really a restriction like, "Salamander Captains can take art armor" or "Inquisitor Dicksucciest acolytes can take power armor," that'd be lame-o to the max. It's not currently removed in a way that's easily fixed by adding tactics/regiments/ordos/etc.

>>53534092

That's like three different 88lb you've posted that list in man, stop giving us archon a bad name.

>>53534113

It's not the end of the world if they don't, I'll just regret converting iron gobz on an entire unit of boyz.

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What army i should choose if i addicted to moth-girl hentai? I started CSM army, but dont see anything to build inset/spider-themed warband

>>53534412
Can't read shit captain.

>>53534519
Im a faggot and actually in a relationship with another guy, I've just always enjoyed both guys and gals because I'm a degenerate fuck

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>>53534538
>making an army based of a fetish
>moth-girls