Why do 40k fans insist that their sci-fi setting is a high powered

>>53504641
>thinking astarties are the best thing the imperium has

Are you new or something? Titans exist for a reason. Or if the world isn't worth fighting for or the presiding inquisititor is bored they could just blow the planet to hell.

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>>53504748
Both would be literally useless against the Shrike, which exists outside of time in the conventional sense and eats up entire armies in a setting where you have small arms with better ranges than 40k battleships; and can blast through literal kilometers of solid rock on stray shots, and where backwater militias practice by shooting at targets on the moon from their planet. You did a WONDERFUL job of illustrating my point, namely that 40k fans have no sense of what else is out there in sci-fi.

>>53504641
>Why do 40k fans insist that their sci-fi setting is a high powered one?

They're sick of people trying to force inane crossovers and pretending that powerful somehow equates to good.

>>53504641
Warp fuckery is the ultimate trump card.

>>53504641
And you decided to try and solve this with a sci-fi universe dick measuring contest

>>53505006
That's hilarious to me considering 40k fans spent years trying to hurf durf /tg/ into thinking that 40k was the be all end all of sci-fi power levels.

I still remember how mad 40kucks got when they first learned about The Culture. Talk about autistic screeching.

>>53504805
It's been ages since I read those books, but does the shrike ever really leave the planet? I remember its whole thing was keeping people out of the labyrinth or whatever

>>53504805
Considering two soldiers in high power kit attacked the shrike and held it off I dont rate it super highly, especially as 40k is privy to essentially magic and religious superstitions like daemons and possessions

Incoming 200 replies of shitflinging. Y'all know replying to bait just for the sake of discussion just brings the overall quality of the board down right?

>>53505104
please elaborate. I missed this, and im a big culture fan

Could "The Culture" defeat "The Q"?

>>53505107
>It's been ages since I read those books, but does the shrike ever really leave the planet? I remember its whole thing was keeping people out of the labyrinth or whatever
Not in the books that are any good, but in the Endymion duo, yeah, he escapes out into the Tethys and all the world connected to it.

>>53504805
Just like in my anime!

40k is hardly the strongest galaxy, but I always find this current idea interesting:

The Imperium at the peak of its power and technological knowledge, led by the Emperor and the 20 Primarchs, invade the Star Wars Galaxy at the time of right before the Yuuzhan Vong War where the major powers are all inefficient and weak.

Both sides can use Hyperspace but Imperial ships are worse at it

Force and psykers respectively are both able to use to their full potential, though blanks/sisters of silence have the same effect as they do against psykers

This setting handicaps SW enough and boosts Imperium enough to where it could be interesting desu.

>>53504641
Not sure, it's not like it really matters how powerful different fictions are against each other anyway. Sure, when we're talking about anything vs. anything in the same setting, it has narrative and thematic consequence that helps build the setting, but unless it's a meta-fiction all about how 'powerful' it is compared to other settings, there's no point in caring, it's inconsequential and inane. But, that aside, I don't think you'll be helping the situation at all with this thread.

>>53504805
Well, didn't know a shrike was basically a god.

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>>53504641

>>53504641
Because WH40K fans are stupid, anon.

>>53505107

THE Shrike, the one everyone knows about, does not leave the planet. It has a mission.

In the future that the Shrike comes from, its just a generic hunter killer machine for the AIs. Maybe not a grunt, but hardly an uncommon unit.

>>53504641
Eh, part of the charm is seeing the guard hold off the horrors of the galaxy, shrike is just tuesday for them.
And then they'll replenish their many dead if lucky before going off to fight the next intergalactic butcher.

>>53505104
They really didn't. Been here since day 1 of /tg/

>>53505181
As if there is a functional difference.

>>53505235
That is kind of the point, anon.

>>53505171
There used to be daily "40k VERSUS HALO!" "40k VERSUS GOD" "40k VERSUS MATT WARD'S FLUFF"

Most of them ended with 40kuckids going ape shit about how awesomely awesome 40k was and that no one ever could ever deal with space marines/warp/whatever ever.

People got fed up with that endless shit so they started finding shit that really would just roll over shitty tractor tank humans and LSD space realm without breaking a sweat.

Some dude brought up the Culture and that was really the beginning of the end for "MARINE ARE THE STRONGESTEST" and "MUH WARP".

That's about it really.

>>53505292
They actually did though.

>Since day 1.
Sure thing buds. Bet you think /tg/ was made because of 40kid day on /b/.

>>53505326
>MATT WARD'S FLUFF
There can be no hope for victory against such a foe.

>>53505269
>shrike is just tuesday for them

So, Tuesday for them is fighting an enemy that could literally butcher their entire army in less than a second?

>>53504641

Gunbuster humanity makes 40k's DAOT seem like presumptous children.

Even the first Buster Machine, Gunbuster itself, would be virtually unstoppable. Unlike most robot shows, the prototype is pretty rapidly left int he dust as technology progresses. The only time it really gets to let loose is when it fights a swarm of space monsters which is larger than the entire diameter of our solar system, each of which can survive on the surface of stars and shit plasma in the side of one planet and out the other.

But the time we get to Diebuster... Buster Machine #7 creates black holes outside of her body which she then uses as power sources, using HYPERMATH. That's not even an attack, that's just warming up for combat. Creating short lived black holes at a distance on the fly makes for a good attack, but she also uses it to each enemy weapons fire when needed as well. Which isn't even her strongest ability, if we are being honest...

I'm honestly pretty sure that Nono, by herself, could just blitz through every defense Terra has and they would be utterly unable to stop her. I'm including Archeotech weapons in this hypothetical.

>>53505357
holy shit
>my game can beat up your game
lmao you still in highschool or something

>>53505326
eh, kind disappointing, but i can see it.
>>53505397
i mean, based on what little i know about 40k, kinda?

>>53505056
This. Chaos (and also War-in-Heaven Necrons I suppose) makes 40k a very high contender for the "high-powered sci-fi" setting you're describing.

>>53505456
>lmao look at this thing you totally didn't say.
>lmao I'm putting words in your mouth.
>lmaomaomao
Are you?

You're literally triggered because some dude said 40k isn't the best.

I didn't even mention a game. I was just making fun of you.

>>53505326
I mean, generally, 40k versus other pop culture sci-fi does end up pretty heavily in 40k's favor even without the Warp. It's only when you get into much less well known (though popular within science fiction circles) sci-fi that it gets its shit wrecked.

The reason is simple: most pop culture sci-fi setting try to stay "believable" to the average consumer. 40k, of course, is supposed to be ridiculous, and so it's going to be "overpowered." Dedicated sci-fi, on the other hand, whether it's hard or not, is even less bound to being reasonable -to the average consumer- than 40k is, and so completely wrecks it. Whether it's scientifically plausible or not, it doesn't confine itself to conventional warfare like 40k does for coolness' sake.

>>53505220
I don't see why the Star Wars Galaxy wouldn't get beaten outright with no real problems if the Emperor himself and all of his sons led a conquest of the galaxy.
I feel like you're over representing Star Wars quite a bit, anon.

>>53505269

You don't understand. Those guardsmen are dead.

The Shrike can manipulate the flow of time, in addition to just being absurdly tough. From the perspective of the Guard, they would just lose contact with whole sections of the battlefield at a time, radio communications cut off mid sentence. Every human within miles of the guy you were just talking to died in the span of a word as the Shrike meticulously hunted down and pushed a hand through their chest every last one of them in a couple blinks of an eye.

Even if you called down artillery the moment you suspected the Shrike was there, it would have already moved on before they launch, much less reached the target.

Its only 'weakness' is it enjoys playing with its food. So it will give you time to find your comrades and realize how fucked you are, instead of killing all of you at once. Because it hates you, and wants you to suffer.

>>53505463
Yes, and tyranids could defeat the thing because their cells are deadlier than something that takes over a creature cell by cell.

WH40kids are literally that kid who has the forcefeald and teleports behind you with his katana.

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>>53505512
>he thinks I play 40k
topkek mate, if you're putting this much thought on the STRONGEST game maybe quit the internet for a couple of days cause you've lost the plot

>>53505056

Warp Fuckery almost always relies on fanfic interpretations of hat Chaos can do that are in no way reflected in the actual canon.

Chaos can't reliably time travel. Chaos can't possess shit that hasn't been exposed to the warp or been used as a part of some ritual. Demons can't just show up wherever they want. AI and computers are no more or less prone to chaos possession than anything else.

Against a setting that has non-warp FTL, Chaos honestly doesn't have a lot it can do against them unless they fly into a warp storm or something. Otherwise you are just fighting spikier space marines.

>>53504641
I feel strongly that this is a bait thread as said by the best post, >>53504707 but I'll bite on the off chance you're being serious.

You're making the mistake that because "higher-end" universes exist in fiction doesn't mean that 40k isn't a "high-end" universe. I would argue that 40k is a high end 'verse based on the merit that it would "win" against the vast majority of sci-fi settings.

>>53505389
Thank you for the chuckle

>>53505548
...I'm pretty sure the thing wins that one my dude

>>53505577
You should probably take your own advise because you're sperging out something fierce and I have no clue what got you so assblasted since I never mentioned a game.

You may be mentally handicapped.

>>53505591

B-but muh invincible Chaos!

>>53505530

Which is why the other famous british franchise, Doctor Who, wipes the floor with 40k. Doctor Who doesn't take itself seriously either, but unlike 40k which has to have all of its various factions in stalemate in a single galaxy, Doctor Who ranges across time and space and has destroyed the entire universe TWICE since the reboot alone.

6 random daleks could conceivable destroy the Imperium of Man, if given a chance to prepare for it. A fleet of them is so hilariously one sided in their favor that 40k's first hint how screwed they are is when all of their psykers start panicking about how the Warp just exploded and the Immaterium doesn't exist anymore.

Doctor Who is a setting where the first technologically advanced race grew up in a universe with magic, decided they hated it, and erased magic from existence and rewrote the laws of physics so it could never happen again. Thats so many levels beyond 40k its absurd.

>>53505676

It's fitting because the only cancer worse than 40K fans is Doctor Who fans.

It's like pottery, it rimes.

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>>53504641
Don't even bother OP. You will just have your thread get branded as bait or some shit. do remember that these are the same people who would argue that their Space Marines and Inquisitors could beat beings who can manipulate Causality and fate itself, even though true Causality and fate manipulation doesn't exist in 40k, not even Tzeentch possesses that kind of power.

>>53505647
Either you're stupid or in denial, probably both.

>>53505676
I don't mean to argue, but wouldn't las weapons and plasma weapons actually stand a real chance of hurting Daleks? I abandoned the show quite a while ago, but I could swear I heard something about their force fields not stopping energy weapons.

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>>53504641
I remember when 40kfags got BTFO by SupCom

Good times

Is this thread mostly just a samefag ranting about "40kids" and variations thereof?

>>53505770

Dalek tech advanced a lot over time, so depending on the era of the Daleks in question (which since its a time travel show, doesn't always synch up with the progression of the seasons) matters a lot.

We see a Dalek with a defense screen that just melts physical projectiles right out of the air. Presumably, that defense doesn't help much against lasers.

We also see a Dalek just roll on through a room filled with dozens of dudes with energy weapons and give absolutely no fucks about all of the fire it is taking, only returning fire to exterminate some of them as it passes by because its a Dalek and not taking the opportunity to kill some people would be uncharacteristic.

>>53505831

Nah, it's mostly legit links to that porn video you really want but can never find for free.

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>>53505831
>Thinks /tg/ is only one person

Newfag please go.

>>53505781
>using game mechanics is how SU would work
nah

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>>53504805
Hyperion is a shit series and anyway they literally use the same tactics as space marines

actually scratch that, the ousters who used space marine tactics fo stheel rhain btfo the combined might of around 60% of the main factions military in one battle

the shrike is retarded and never explained and is completely defenseless against orbital bombardment, which is what would happen in 40k anyway. just dont try to get into a fist fight with it and youll be fine

also that faggot author retconned the ousters to be a furry race mid series for some reason so even they stopped being a serious threat

tldr
over all they seem to be similar levels of power actually with hyperion having better troop weapons (but muuuuuuch less troops and ships) and 40k having more powerful ships

>>53505676
>Doctor Who is a setting where the first technologically advanced race grew up in a universe with magic, decided they hated it, and erased magic from existence and rewrote the laws of physics so it could never happen again. Thats so many levels beyond 40k its absurd.

To what is this referring?

>>53504641
Do people still do that? Have power level arguments and such? I haven't seen a "40k vs [thing]" thread in a long time and assumed that the board had generally grown out of that.

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>>53505982
The Time Lords, who even to this day refuse to allow for "magical" phenomena to be accepted in their organization, despite you know, being a bunch of alien monster hunters who face creatures that are for all intents and purposes demons on a daily basis.

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>>53504641
>the setting where backwater dolphin fucking hippies put up a decent fight against an organized invasion from the main faction is going to spank 40k
>this is what cantos faggots actually believe

>>53506130
They still do. In fact, 40kfags will literally barge into other threads in order to make inane comments about how much stronger their setting is, and how it would stomp the other, and get utterly assblasted when you point out that their setting would be the one suffering the stomping. They did this in a Kingdom Death thread quite a while back if I recall.

>>53506293
I'm very disappointed in the 40k community of /tg/ for perpetuating this juvenile behaviour.

>>53505878
>SU
Steven Universe?

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>>53504641
yes, there are some settings out there more high-powered than 40k. Thank you for enlightening all of us.

>>53505770
Las no, Plas yes.

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>>53506388
That your post is considered bait is very telling regarding the mentality of the average 40k fan.

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>>53506426
>anti 40k is just as annoying and spammy as antipol

really makes you think

>>53506474
Nah bro, I mean it's funny to me that it's considered bait to even say "there are settings higher-powered than 40k"

>>53506130
There was literally a Nids vs The Flood vs 'The Thing' thread a couple weeks ago.

iirc, the thread basically concluded with "Forerunner-era Flood vs Tyranids is a tie or slightly tilted toward Flood, but the Thing beats all because it is Eldritch horror levels of OP fuckery."

>>53506339
Fuck I meant SC. Dunno how I messed that one up

>>53506474
That image also applies to you my 40k loving friend. Tell me how many threads have you seen get shilled to death by 40kfags who get utterly assmad at settings that aren't their uber mega-grimdark wankfest? Because I have seen far, far too many of those.

I admit, i'm not very good with 40K or Hyperion, but couldn't a Pskyer throw it in the warp?

>>53506501
>>53506426
WH40Kids can't stand that their stolen memes of a game aren't the best.

>>53506555
that still requires the psyker to survive the presence of the shrike long enough to actually use his powers and not be instantly dead because it moves faster than he can think.

>>53506655
Would some kind of precognitive danger sense allow someone to last against the Shrike longer than an instant?

>>53505639
Oh, I agree, but that was literally their argument. The Tryanids could mind control the Thjing too, because the thing is telepathic and the Shadow of the Warp makes it vulnerable because Tyranid Magic Winning Power.

I kid you not, that was a literal argument.

>>53506635
>Stolen memes
What?

>>53505548
Isn't the thing just one singular organism?
I think the hive mind would be capable of noticing some random tyrannid going around not connected to it
I don't know much about the Thing, but if it's not 1 tyrannid vs the thing I think the nids have it
If not, please enlighten me

>>53506664
you still have human reactions times against a thing that literally exists outside of time. You can have all the forewarning in the world and never be able to finish pulling the trigger.

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>>53504641
>implying anything could stand against the might of a named protagonist space marine
anon please

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>>53506747
So, having a precognitive danger sense would just make being killed by the Shrike even worse, because you could see it coming and have absolutely no way to stop it.

>>53506320
>I'm very disappointed in the 40k community of /tg/ for perpetuating this juvenile behaviour.
I thought I clicked 4chan, did I click reddit by mistake? You know the website full of pretentious fucks that are more concerned with their appearance than enjoying time spent.

>>53506818
Fun is a buzz word
(I'm kidding, my post was sarcastic, I have zero expectations for the 40k fanbase and for /tg/)

>>53506733
The Thing is not a singular organism. It is telepathic, and virulently infectious, and is perfectly okay with sacrificing parts of itself to keep people distracted, upset, and off balance so another part can do whatever it needs to do to infect more. The movie's Doc Blair calculated a 3 year takeover of the entire earth, but he was incorrect - the thing takeover is much, much faster than his projection suggest. It takes minutes for the thing to subsume an entire man sized organism if it is being obvious. It takes it's time when it wants to be subtle, like when Blair touched his eraser to hips lips after touching the thing.

The other thing is that the Thing is not only telepathic, but organized, and it remembers everything that any species it has subsumed knows. In an Antarctic Base is build a force firld generator to house a cold fusion system, and build a jetpack using 1980's materials.

If it mimics a life form perfectly, that life form doesn't even know it is a Thing. It could very easily infect an entire hive fleet, and suddenly they collapse into massive crawling THINGS and the entire Hive Fleet is compromised before the Hive Mind knows it. At which point they realize they are already the Thing.

Worse, the Tyranids, upon discovering what the Thing is capable of, would probably allow it to subsume them all, because it's an even more perfect format for taking over the universe than the Tyranids are. Thing wins either way.

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>>53505530
I'm pretty sure Dr Who is more popular than WH40k, and the timelords would wreck anything in 40k with minimal effort.

>>53505533
>I feel like you're over representing Star Wars quite a bit, anon.

Have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise?

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>>53506727
It's not stealing, it's cross-pollination!

>>53506555
Objects have been thrown into the warp by a psyker, to my knowledge, twice in 40K history.

Once was by Malcador the Sigilite, who did somehow manage it with an entire moon, but the walls of reality were thin because of the Horus Heresy and he was using sigils and sorcery and stuff rather than just brute forcing it. Malcador is the third strongest human psyker, and that's only if you count Magnus and The Emperor as human.

The other was by The Emperor, who opened one hole large enough to throw a massive Ork through.

It seems to be something only possible at the absolute pinnacle of psychic power, not a common feat. And as other people have said its no counter against something that can apparently stop time. No psyker apart from the Emperor has been shown to be able to do that.

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>>53506861
>Worse, the Tyranids, upon discovering what the Thing is capable of, would probably allow it to subsume them all, because it's an even more perfect format for taking over the universe than the Tyranids are. Thing wins either way
>Implying the nids want to take over the universe and not just nom it into oblivion like the giant space locusts they are
Yeah yeah yeah anon, we get it. The Thing is an unstoppable Cthulhu-level entity.

>>53507001
Speaking of memes, pic related
>ORKZ IZ ON DA WAAAAGH! FOR 4CHAN!!

>>53506715
I was in that thread, that argument ended after maybe 20 posts and most people conceded that nids would lose. In fact half the thread was wanking about the power level of a thing-nid hybrid.

>>53504641
Of course a Mary Sue could make a Space Marine its bitch. Otherwise it wouldn't be a Mary Sue.

>powerlevel arguments

Reminder that if you unironically participate in these you are probably on the spectrum.

>>53507037
>nope, Tyranids win cause I say so
Yeah, we get it.

>>53507037
>Fucking Gaston in the car in front of the battlewagon and the battletoad in the back

>>53507072
It's a single organism versus an entire fucking race.

>>53507071
The light spectrum?

>>53507089
Pedobear's driving the battlefortress.

Am I the only person who thinks that Hyperion is overrated?

>>53507089
>>53507125
Wait, is that... Is that Bridget firing mah lazor?!

This thing is full of references.
>>53507132
Never heard of it.

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Blame! has handheld pistol sized weaponry that rivals, or outclasses the firepower of the biggest naval weapons of 40k. Wielded by a man who's capable of regeneration from near total obliteration. You could send ten of every Primarch at him and they'd hardly be a speed bump for him

The fuckery of 40k is nothing in the face of a jap architect with a hard on for giger.

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>>53507043
>I was in that thread, that argument ended after maybe 20 posts and most people conceded that nids would lose.
I was also in that thread:
As a I recall, the "food chain" went:
>The Thing
>Forerunner-Era "Reality-Breaking" Flood
>Tyranids
>Current day Flood
>Everything else
Or something along those lines.
>>53507072
>implying I'm pro-Nids
I'm Pro-Gravemind son.

>>53507132
Yeah, but clearly OP wants to talk about it because he just discovered it and wants his thread to gain traction by starting a powerlevel war with the 40k autists.

>>53504805
So Chaos Daemons can kill it dead?

>>53507111
the thing is basically a super intelligent hivemind before assimilation. it can latently infect organisms and then perform a simultaneous psychic takeover when it feels it has the dominant majority of the nest. anon is basically saying that an individual tyranid isn't as perceptive as humans and that would allow for a much swifter takeover than the standoff we saw in the movie.

>>53507089
>The driver in the truck in the foreground's goggles are tinted the same color as Spider Jerusalem's glasses, with a 'Pools Closed' Ork riding in the back
>WHAT THE FUCK IS PYRAMID HEAD DOING IN THE BATTLEWAGON?!
>That mudkip and Anonmous masked Ork in another Trukk
>Bridget's FIRIN' MAH LAZOR on the Battlewagon

>>53504805
And a Psyker just bends reality to remove it from existence entirely.

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>series does not have autonomous nuclear death tanks capable of shooting spacecraft out of orbit from the other side of the planet
Needs more Bolo.

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>>53507111
A single organism capable of such subtle infection and subsumption of a being that the creature infected doesn't even realize that it has been infected in the first place until the Thing drops the disguise. The Thing could very easily take control of an entire Hive Fleet without the Tyranids noticing, and with its telepathic abilities thrown into the mixture, could probably supress its presence from the Hive Mind whilst it does its work. The thing is some insane bullshit once you really get down to it.

>>53507111
The Tyranids are a hivemind in a trillion bodies.

The Thing is a multipart mind in a multipart body. It's a single organism until you are infected. Then it's two organisms connected to each other mentally in two bodies. Both of which have all the information of everything that has ever been infected by the Thing. When another thing is created by another infection, all three are seperate organisms, with interconnected minds, that can be sacrificed, and each of which can infect everything around it, even after they are killed. if you cut up and seperate pieces of the organisms, you now have multiple things, sharing one intellect, but capable of self determination, and they all want you to be infected unless it is neither expedient or effective to do so. If you kill a thing, you still have potentially live infectious material in it until the entire thing is destroyed to the last cell.

It takes a few cells to infect anything, and you cannot tell the infected or the subsumed from the original host, not even at the mental level, because the subsumed creature is the host, until the Thing finds it necessary to be otherwise.

It was a single organism against everyone in the Antarctic Station, anon, and it STILL won even after it was blown up, burned, set fire to, and slaughtered.

MacReady offered Childs a drink from an open bottle. The only way someone would accept that offer is if it was already a Thing and wasn't worried about being infected. That wry laugh of MacReady's? He knew Childs was a Thing. So, yeah, it won.

>>53507281
What's the range on that magic "I win" button, anon? Time? Because if it can't affect time, The Shrike wins.

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>>53507281
And that Psyker is killed in the instant that they try to channel the necessary energies to remove it from reality. Two can play this game my friend.

>>53507195
Can Chaos Demons control time, anon?

>>53507195
Sure, if they can manipulate time.

Of course, if they can manipulate time, why hasn't chaos taken over the universe? For that matter, why haven't the Tyranids who are also unstoppable except when they get stopped?

>>53505258
Someone hasn't read endymion...

>>53507512
>>53507518
Warp energies can 100% affect the flow of time. Time can freeze, speed up, slow down, go in reverse, or probably another dozen things I can't actually think of.

In every single thread where someone points out that there are sci-fi settings more high powered than 40k:

>YEAH YOUR SETTING IS DUMB AND GAY AND FOR DUMB GAY KIDS WHO ARE BOTH DUMB AND GAY

It's like 40k is their dad or something.

>>53505292
I've been here just as long, and yes they fucking did. The threads started the same way, with them flailing about trying to claim that 40k could totally beat them, and then they'd start herpderping about how the Culture was the dumbest shit ever and the humans within it were traitors to humanity, hurrdurrdurr.

>>53507599
The thing is that the Warp does that passively, as part of a warp storm or simply being in the Immaterium where time is invalid. It's not shown as a spell that regular sorcerers can make use of, even the most powerful psykers don't show that degree of ability. The Emperor maybe, but he's the strongest psyker period and blows greater daemons out of the water.

Tzeentch himself could handle it, but Chaos Gods aren't in realspace. Even Lords of Change can only predict the future, not halt and reverse time on demand.

>>53507599
And they haven't taken over the universe why? They should have entirely annihilated every encounter they've had agaisnt the Imperium, to say nothing of the Tau, the Orks, and everything else.

Clearly, you're mistaken about something.

>>53507657
Because drawing too much power makes their head explode, or possessed by daemons, and there's such a small number of them.

You're not really up to date with 40K lore at all, are you?

>>53507648
There are more than a few fluff references to Psykers being sent back in time and being able to affect past events.

Otherwise, just things like Legion of the Damned, which again, in the fluff, are basically Space Marines, but completely immortal in every sense of the term, with their only weakness being the lack of access to the Warp in their general vicinity. Everything from bolts, the plasma, to melta weapons, to artillery shells just pass through them, but their weapons hit enemies. They are warp-based, and so travel through both time and space as required.

>>53504805
>Shrike picks a fight with 40k
>is actually super powerful
>stomps on Astartes and Titans
>destroys greater daemons
>except greater daemons tend to head back to the warp when killed by conventional means
>but nope, Shrike can destroy them as easily as he kills Astartes or stomps titans
>this gets the attention of the Chaos Gods
>lure Shrike into the warp
>Shrike charges headfirst like a retard
>suddenly he has no idea where he is
>up becomes down
>daemons everywhere
>something just ripped his arm off in the future and it's affecting him in the now
>through all this Shrike perseveres
>uses all his bullshit powers
>goes up to Khorne
>punches him in the face!
>except it's just a Tzeentchian illusion
>and now he's infected with Nurgle's Rot
>daemonettes have been invisibly striking for his organs since he got here
>Shrike has made a mistake
>he escapes the warp
>unaware that the warp is a plaything of these literal gods
>Shrike exits the warp in the centre of a true hive of Tyranids
>not a Splinter Hive Fleet that is playable and shows up in fluff to do battle
>an actual hive
>monstrosities no man has ever seen
>he's weakened from his time in the warp
>these Tyranids are built to fight Imperial Knights and Greater Daemons alike
>some are even designed to kill Titans
>Shrike fights well and cripples the Hive
>eventually succumbs to the horrors of the 41st millennium
Fucking retard, 40k is considered high power because everything is meaningless, it's grimdark nihilism, the universe is infinite and it fucking hates you.

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>>53507647
>Culture was the dumbest shit ever and the humans within it were traitors to humanity

Wat. They claimed that Culture humanity were "traitors to humanity"? How the fuck? The Culture Minds aren't even fucking aliens. They are literally super-massive computers/AIs that calculate the best ways to aid humanity, and to support it. They are directly beneficial to humanity, so how the fuck can 40kfags argue that Culture humanity are 'traitors" when they are for one, not even members of the Imperium, and two, they are literally being aided by the Minds and not manipulated? What next? Are they going to argue that the Xeelee are completely evil, and should be destroyed just for being xenos despite the Photino Birds being infinitely worse?

>>53507720
Because 40kids are idiots that think that humanity would be best served by swearing themselves to a psychic monster god.

>>53507709
>There are more than a few fluff references to Psykers being sent back in time and being able to affect past events.
Again that's not them choosing to so much as the warp just puking them out in the past instead of wherever they were trying to go. The warp links to all of time, this is completely different to being able to manipulate time on the fly.

>>53507657
>They should have entirely annihilated every encounter they've had agaisnt the Imperium, the Orks, and everything else.
Warp energies =/= Chaos Daemons, for starters.

Also, the Ork gods Gork n' Mork exist in the Warp, and have beat the snout out of at least one of the old Chaos Gods good and proppa' once upon a time (Nurgle I believe. Didn't kill him outright because, well, it'd be boring if there was one less god in the warp to punch). Hell, Orks enjoy it when Chaos Daemons invade their ships during Warp Travel because now they have something fun to punch. Orks literally give zero fucks about the mind-breaking chaos daemons.

Honestly, the most dangerous race in the 40k universe when they're not muckin' about are the Orks and their 'reality follows what WE believe' WAAAGH! energy field.

>>53507717
>implying the Shrike would even get to the Chaos Gods before the Gork n' Mork noticed some new fighting git wandered into the Warp and turn the Shrike into their personal speedbag

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>>53507599
The shrike exists outside of time from what I hear, and isn't really affected by time bullshit. It can also summon an effectively infinite number of copies of itself from what I remember, each of which will be gunning for that lone Psyker. So yeah, their fucked.

>>53507761
The Legion of the Damned that help Pedro Kantor explicitly tell him not to be so quick to call them friends, as they'll be foes in their next fight, proving that they can choose where they go, who they help, and in what order they do them in.

>>53507762
I keep forgetting Gork n' Mork actually exist in the Warp, they never seem to actually do anything.

>>53507765
http://hyperioncantos.wikia.com/wiki/Shrike

Looks like to me he's just able to time travel. He doesn't live within the Void, but only merges with it when he travels.

But like with most things of this nature, drawing a line between the Void Which Binds and the Warp is difficult, since they likely have different rules respective to their own universes.

And also keep in mind that literally anything Shrike does in the 40K is because it's part of Tzeentch's Long Game. If Shrike teleports to a certain point in time, you can rest assured that he did that because Tzeentch organised the events to point Shrike to that point in time.

>>53507331
I think it was generally agreed that last-gen Bolos would outmatch any 40k ground force, but still succumb to orbital bombardments as the defenses of space crafts are in a similar range for the offensive capabilities for Bolos (thus, being able to hold out to return fire which consumes the planet).
Of course, every faction in 40k would be burned out by enemies that literally require Exterminatus and can't be engaged properly. It's attrition that nobody would want to pursue. (It's also the attrition that concluded the Bolo setting, as the Final War was basically "every planet is so devastated that there's nobody left to keep fighting".) Most like, any planet with a Bolo on it would be ignored.

>>53507720
>Are they going to argue that the Xeelee are completely evil, and should be destroyed just for being xenos despite the Photino Birds being infinitely worse?
If it's a xenos (unless it's got knife-ears and an ass that won't quit), yes, they'll declare all xenos worthy of Exterminatus.

>>53507777
>I keep forgetting Gork n' Mork actually exist in the Warp, they never seem to actually do anything.
That's mostly because the big gits are either a) brawling with each other all the time or b) keeping an eye on the Orks, particularly whatever Thraka's up to at the moment (which in turns means fucking up whatever the Chaos Gods and Hive Mind are doing at the moment. Gork and Mork are very involved with their race compared to the other gods of the Warp. It's just never depicted as such because you never see an Ork perspective book in the fluff.
CHECK DOSE QUADS m8.

>>53507811
>Tzeentch's Long Game.

Tzeentch's Long Game will also inevitably bite him in the ass at some point because Tzeentch. Guy has so many inter-connecting plots, and insane schemes upon insane schemes that I'm fairly certain he has forgotten which one was supposed to be which.

>>53507526
Chaos Gods can.

>>53507874
> Tzeentch actually need a notebook to keep track of all his schemes
> it's a warp-forged notebook that has exactly as many pages as he needs to write down his plans
> every single Tzeentch daemon floods the material realm at once, every Thousand Son breaking from the warp
> turns out Old Man Tzeentch from down the road lost his notebook and can't remember where he put it
> ironically, he wrote the location of the notebook down in the notebook

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>>53507872
>If it's a xenos (unless it's got knife-ears and an ass that won't quit), yes, they'll declare all xenos worthy of Exterminatus.
>Exterminatus
>Upon the Baryonic Lords

That is implying that the Imperium would ever have a chance of gaining even the slightest bit of the Xeelees attention. These are beings who can weaponize galaxies, and calculate their fights in picoseconds. Their greatest enemies are literally beings of pure dark matter seeking to collapse all baryonic life into the same stuff that composes them. I highly doubt the Imperium would even be noticed by the Xeelee.

>>53507476
IIRC, the Thing only ever controls one body at a time. Which is to say that its capacity to control multiple bodies at the same time is something I find doubtful.

The impression I got was that once a body was dead, the remaining live cells took over whatever hosts they inhabit. I am very possibly wrong, but nothing hints to me that the Thing is so incredibly potent. Even more when you consider that its main objective in the movie is to get the hell away. Subsuming a host is fairly secondary, and conquering the globe not at all an obvious conclusion to make.

Also, if we include telepathy, it means it must come in contact with one of the most powerful mind in 40k. Truthfully there are no single instance of the Thing using mind powers, so we have no idea how it would fare. But very few have resisted direct contact with it.

tl;dr: the Thing is a very strong infiltrator, but it conquering the Tyranids in a mind war, let alone the Flood as has been claimed ITT not something I find believable.

>>53507512
>What's the range on that magic "I win" button, anon? Time? Because if it can't affect time, The Shrike wins.
The psyker itself doesn't need to do it, the warp itself can just swallow up the psyker and the entire goddamn planet and remove it from existence, it's as powerful as the narrative needs to be

>>53507935
> These are beings who can weaponize galaxies, and calculate their fights in picoseconds
Imperium and Chaos have access to Blackstone Fortresses, starbases created by the Old Ones during the War in Heaven that are basically impregnable and taking only three to destroy an entire system with the pissy level of technological knowledge the Imperium has, with each Fortress adding power in an exponential fashion. There are currently six that are KNOWN about, with Imperial scholars that research them theorise that there could be dozens if not hundreds just 'floating about'.

>>53508024
Thats cute. They might be able to down a single Xeelee Night Fighter with everything they have.

Xeelee are full bullshit, as in control most of a universes matter and energy bullshit. They operate at a scale where entire galaxies are seen as minor concerns.

>>53508024
The final war of the Xeelee involve entire galaxies being used as projectiles. The entirety of 40k is irrelevantly small in comparison.
Though an interesting cross of lore is that the Xeelee would absolutely adore the Immaterium, as a place where time is nonfunctional is pretty much the only way to outmaneuver the Photino Birds (which infest the entire timeline of the universe and are otherwise inescapable).

>>53508264
> The entirety of 40k is irrelevantly small in comparison.
The Warp encompasses the entire universe and is at least as infinitely large, certainly large enough to have OTHER infinitely large structures inside it, such as Tzeentch's Impossible Fortress. The Warp is everything that has ever been, is, and will ever been, including the things that never were and might have been.

The point I was making with the Blackstone Fortresses is that with enough of them - probably more than there are left over from the War in Heaven - you could wipe out the entire universe. Using a galaxy as a projectile doesn't mean much if there are no galaxies left.

>>53508308
The Warp remains irrelevant as it can still only field fleets of finite size despite being of infinite dimensions.

>>53508335
> it can still only field fleets of finite size despite being of infinite dimensions.
Since when? The Warp can grow as large as it needs to. If the Warp had a capacity of X ships, and one more came in, the Warp would accommodate. It's not bound by physics. It's Hilbert's Paradox of the Grand Hotel.

>>53508358
Because there are only finite amounts of openings to realspace, obviously. The Eye of Terror has a defined volume, even if it's probably growing now that Cadia is destroyed.

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>>53508368
You're a little behind. The tear in realspace now stretches from one side of the galaxy to the other, literally bisecting the entire Milky Way in something called in normal speak "The Great Rift", and it's continuing to spread slowly outward, consuming more of the galaxy as it goes along.

>>53508368
> Because there are only finite amounts of openings to realspace, obviously.
So just send ships through the same opening one after another? The fluff limits the effects of the Warp because in a realm where 'there are no rules', rules clearly need to be enforced because otherwise 'lmao why doesn't X happen and Chaos auto-win?' would be the be-all and end-all. The Warp can field an infinitely large fleet, it's the material universe that can't. It's why if the any war enters the Warp, it's automatically skewed towards Chaos almost 100%. The MOST PURE, INCORRUPTIBLE GARY SUE Marine spent millenia in the Warp, and achieved literally nothing, as every Daemon he killed and every building he toppled just fixed itself.

Not to mention, again, this isn't related to ship combat. The Warp is where Blackstone Fortresses draw their power from, they don't reside there.

>>53508397
Beside the point and still of finite size. Even when it has consumed the entire galaxy it remains on a diminutive scale.
>>53508402
A continuous stream of daemons is different than an infinite quantity of daemons. The comparison between the two would end once the Xeelee took notice of the warp rifts, promptly plug it up and sweep all the daemons that made it through (even quadrillions of daemons pouring out for a billion years remains insignificantly small) into a few supermassive black holes, and then proceed on their eternal crusade that actually spans the universe and doesn't just care about one galaxy.
Those fortresses as well would get tossed into some black holes and repurposed.

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>>53504641
>>53504805

>High powered
When did this became something? Wasn't half the appeal of 40k that every faction is disfunctional in a way?
That every faction has a critical flaw that doesn't make sense and is actively hindering them?

>If Orks stopped fighting each other and actually worked together, everyone will be dead
>Imperium are space fascists killing their own people for stupid reasons
>Eldar had such a big orgy they created a god and are now eternally emo about it
>Necron are still stuck in their power plays + botched reactivations
>Tau are upstarts and will be fucked up the moment their unprotected minds venture into the warp
>Nids are creatures of instinct that are nothing without their precious Hive Mind
>Chaos is too busy infighting unless Warmaster "I've done so many black crusades my arms fell off" Abadodo whips them into shape, who's clearly mental himself.

Now new lore is new, with the Primarchs and Primaris and crap, and the new way the art goes is troubling, but 40k is not so much about MUH FUCKING POWER LEVELS SON as it is about a disfunctional universe just eeking on the brink of total annihilation.

Oh and time travel, since we're going all The Endless War in this bitch.
You've read The Endless War motherfucker?

Although with the series of HUGE models that GW wants to push I fear for the power levels. Hell, Knights already spelled the doom for my beloved setting. Oh Well.

>>53504641
Go back to spacenattles.com you hopeless chode

>>53505639
Tyranids can have acid blood
Tyranids can fire plasma
Tyranids can fire mind bullets
Tyranids have enough digestive acid to devour a planet

the thing loses because it cant infiltrate the hive mind and the instant it realizes something is wrong it'll change biomorphs to be un-assimilatable.
>b-but it'll just assimilate their ability to resist acid blood!
Last I checked it couldn't eat inorganic matter like doors, tyranids can make hiveships covered in stone, stands to reason they can coat their entire swarm in inorganic matter too.

>>53507541
>why haven't the Tyranids
because GW are hack writers, the latest "resolution" to the Baal conflict should be evident of that.

>>53507170
Just watched "The Thing" after reading your post. God damn excellent movie but I dunno how people are rating it above the Forerunner Flood or the Tyranids; it has a gaping weakness to fire and isn't terribly fast or durable.

>>53504641
Mainly becuase of religious symbolism.

>>53504641
Reminds me. Might put something like the Shrike into my next campaign. Planning on doing D&D 3.5 IN SPAAAAAAACE basically do it'd probably work out quite well.

>>53507220
>Being this new.

The thing I like most of the first two books was the fight. Superconductive armor against lasers.

I stopped reading half of the 3rd book. Does it get any better?

>>53508891
Yeah, comparing Tyranids and the Thing is like comparing Jason from Friday 13th and Hannibal Lector.

One is an unkillable bastard with brutal strength and the other one is creepy and manipulative "just as planned" asshole.

Also I watched the thing and Im happy that you've seen it, it is a good movie. I've never watched/read about "flood". Is it any good?

>>53509116
The Flood is from Halo. Basically a cosmic fungal agent made from the powdered remains of the precursors of the precursor race. Very strong, but very, very killable with what exists in Halo's setting, which is... hmm. I wonder how comparable Halo's stuff is with 40K. Obviously the space marines would laugh at the little Spartans, but the Covenant's equipment at its prime is pretty much Tau-level, maybe past it.

>>53509116
The flood are a hivemind-like race from Halo. In the series, it takes an amalgamation of alien races (The Covenant) and futuristic 25th century humans who go through a primitive version of space marine augmentation (Spartans) to fend them off.
The silentium era flood is the flood which had access to bullshit like "star roads" and "physics manipulation" and was used to fight the Halo equilvalent of the Old Ones a long long time ago.
I don't like any of the games after the original 3 + reach and the few novels I've read are subpar to the good BL authors but the setting as a whole is solid.

I haven't played the series in a while, pls no bully

>>53505548
I rememeber that thread and actualy they convinced me the things would get eaten...

shit

>>53509149
>Obviously the space marines would laugh at the little Spartans
I don't think they would anon. Not anymore. They know the pain little Spartans would feel when being laughed at by Bigger marines.

>>53508891
I sincerely hope you watched the original one and not that piece of shit prequel.

>>53508002
Except while everyone was fighting the things in the research station........Blair was building a fucking spaceship in his basement. It doesn't NEED to control other parts of itself - they are coordinating their efforts to achieve their goals.

And you forget: Blair was infected by touching his eraser to a thing they believed was dead after burning, and then taken over completely - and no one realized it until they found his hidden spacecraft.

The terror and effort the Things spread as they transformed and attacked was literally a ploy to keep everyone away from Blair and to induce rampant paranoia. That's planning and cooperation without visible lines of communication.

>>53509333
Yeah I just went on RT and found the original was loads more liked by both critics and viewers so I just watched that.
I've made a thread on /tv/ for its discussion here >>>/tv/83356918

>>53509160
Yes, by using Tyranid "We Win" Magic.

That's literally what their arguments were. Indestructible intelligent cells that consume all other cells, including cells that can invade and mimic the cells trying to eat them. Because eating something that wants you to touch it so it can absorb you is a great idea.

>>53504805
>d can blast through literal kilometers of solid rock on stray shots,
This is literally no different than 40k, why do you think it's impressive? This is a universe where one faction uses neutron stars as ammo.

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Since were talking power levels. Which scifi civilization has the most obscene power level? excluding anime of course. Power creep is something that has always fascinated me in fiction/games and I'm always curious to see how writers attempt to render beings with incomprehensible power.

>>53509333
The problem remains that they are not coordinated. It would be an easy thing for them to isolate and contaminate every member of the team, which does not happen. That really does not seem like something an entity controlling multiple bodies at the same time would do.

I remain doubtful that the Thing is the incredibly powerful force you describe. Its a strong infiltrator and extremely hard to get rid of, until you can divine its MO and isolate those who are contaminated. Precisely what happens in the movie.

>>53504641
Because Star Wars (a setting so low powered it's actually unrealistic) is taken to be the standard, and there they only have 1 planetkiller instead of 80.
Also, the people who argue that haven't read much classic sci-fi. The Ringworld is beyond even Necrons, nobody has time travel, or weaponises it like they do in fall of hyperion, star trek style warp is out of the question, despite being a much better ftl, and so on.

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>inb4 the Chaos argument

>>53509613
>we'll just ignore that while everyone was trying to contain and control the infiltration, one of the infiltrated was busily making an escape vehicle to get to the mainland where it could easily infect the entire fucking world
>that totally wasn't planned at all
>what, no, they killed and got them all, no way Childs could be a thing even though he broke the first fucking rule they developed about the Thing and eating or drinking anything that could be contaminated
It remembers everything it ever consumed and has the knowledge of those creatures on a genetic level AND their mental levels as well. It built a flying craft our of scraps, something none of the humans could have done, meaning it retains knowledge it's hosts never had access to contained in a few cells.

I think you're pretty much ignoring some key facets of the Thing's capabilities.

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>>53509543
Kano the Hedgehog once killed all of the tyranids and the sith and the flood and the thing and was only using 10% of his power and then when he fell asleep the shriker killed his parents and his girlfriend who does exists just because you havent met her she's online we talk on sonic discord all the time shut up brayden and Kano had never been so mad in his life and when he woke up he destroyed an entire galaxy... and that was only 50% percent of his power.

>>53505104
>>53505326
The culture is gay though.

>>53510197
Is that official canon?

>>53505435
>implying bustermachines aren't DaoT titans.

I'm joking of course, but a lot of these "super problems" are solved in 40k by "throw space marines / guard at it to hold it in place, then invert the warp drives of a nearby spaceship and drag the enemy into literal hell".

Let Khorne deal with the goddamn problem.

>>53504641
People usually insist that other sci-fi settings are the high-powered ones. 40k is absolutely nothing compared to most other sci-fi settings, discounting perhaps the most retarded parts of Necron and Tau lore.

>>53510244
I have 6 notes on tumblr and 13 favourites on deviantart and my friend xx_sl4y3r_xx is going to make a comic soon

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>>53509696
How you doing, kiddo?

40k has never been in the high power tier. It's solidly middle of the road, above Star Trek/Wars or most of Halo, but below the Culture or Supcom and far below the likes of the Xeelee.

>>53510274
You mean Eldar, Tau aren't stupidly advanced.

>>53510691
You poor fool.

>>53505190
One of my favourite bits in Endymion is when the Shrike's just standing there motionlessly at the front of their boat for several hours and no-one wants to go near it.

I swear that thing has a sense of the dramatic seeing how it chooses to turn up on several occasions.

>>53510805
Tau are scientifically illiterate in the 40k universe, even the Orks can teleport and utilize warp technology.

They only have stable plasma and muh robots - The vagaries of psiniscience and the empyrean escape their stunted minds entirely (which is likely entirely on purpose, hence the Eldar uplifted them). They'll never complete the tech tree like the Necrontyr either as they don't have the C'tan giving them the universe's cheatcodes.

>>53510887
This Shrike sounds pretty cool, is the series worth reading? I know I've been meaning to read the Xeelee sequence too; just the name "Photino Birds" is some kind of mind hook that's captured my attention.

>>53505878

It's flat-out canon that the in-game timescales are correct - the game itself is a simulation of the battlefield that the commander is running in his ACU.

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Is there any faction in 40k that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH The Metabaron? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Aghora She-He. I'm talking about Nameless, the Last of the Metabarons, modified with cyber implants and chemical therapy, incontrol of both Incals (Noir and Lumiere), guided by the Busitaka, armed with Les Armes du Meta-baron (both paleo and techno-techno) including nano-nukes and epyfite blackhole catapults, piloting the metacraft and backed by the entire Metabunker?
Yeah, I don't think so.

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>>53511616
A tech-priest psyker could turn his implants and weapons on him causing his blackhole catapults to kill him.
It would depend on who won the initiative roll though.

>>53504805
Space Marines have grenades that literally suck you into hell, so there's that. Or those that literally freeze you outside of existence forever.
The shrike's fucked.

>>53512703
I don't think you grasp "outside of linear time". In between the SM arming and throwing the grenade, every Astartes on the planet is dead. Or the Shrike fucks off to another planet or another timeline entirely, and just evades the area of effect.

>>53504641
Khorne Draws his sword and eliminates the annoying plaything.

>>53511616

See >>53512754

>>53507220
>The driver in the truck in the foreground's goggles are tinted the same color as Spider Jerusalem's glasses
I think that's not who that's a reference to, desu

>>53511989
He killed the Mars-equivalent of his universe in one frame. And his Saga has fought witches before.

>>53512754
That could be interesting

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>>53513347
But has he killed someone who can initiate his self destruct sequence with a thought before?

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>Hey everyone 40k isn't so tough, I bet *insert thing here* is stronger.
Yes, but 40k is literally built to be an endless horror show of escalating power levels.

>But, what about X thing that Y thing can do, I mean, how could anyone even compete with that?
Because there are literal infinite hordes of death monsters on all sides designed specifically to make any conflict unwinnable.

>But what about Z universe destroying super weapon and W time travel shenanigans?
The warp is literally magic, anything can happen to anyone.

>But what about N magic ability? Surely that will beat the warp.
Probably, but not combined with the other things previously mentioned.

>>53509543
Downstreamers, Time Lords.

Unfortunately I can't find the pasta that explains that far more eloquently than I can, but the gist of it is:

Powerlevel arguments with 40K specifically are even more pointless than most other kinds since everything in 40K is so heavily reliant on the Warp, which is literally magic and can do anything the writers say it can at any given moment. If you set the battle in a theoretical situation where there is no Warp, it would never happen since most 40K forces wouldn't be able to even get to the battlefield and many of them would arguably just fail to function. If you set it where there is Warp, someone will just pull a "the Warp/demons/favorite demon god would defeat _____ by fiat!".

So every possible battle comes down to which side you want to win by fiat, meaning even the usually lackluster "considerations" involved in power level arguments devolve back into the pure, essential question of which setting you like better.

That said, I do have to say I tend to dislike 40K defenders' reliance on the "[Warp/demons/ork belief/insert infinitely powerful handwave-tier force] will win automatically". It's not that it's irrelevant insomuch as it's often presented as something that would naturally, always happen (e.g. the old "Your setting will fall to the orks, they're always as powerful as they need to be to defeat their enemy!"). It runs too hard into the logical problem of "if everything is so infinitely powerful, how come the Imperium still stands".

Still, whatever.

>>53507526
Only the Tzeentch ones

But all chaos gods fuck around with time and space constantly

By the way "my setting beats your setting" is gay as fuck and all arguments are completely subjective

>>53514055
>That said, I do have to say I tend to dislike 40K defenders' reliance on the "[Warp/demons/ork belief/insert infinitely powerful handwave-tier force] will win automatically". It's not that it's irrelevant insomuch as it's often presented as something that would naturally, always happen (e.g. the old "Your setting will fall to the orks, they're always as powerful as they need to be to defeat their enemy!"). It runs too hard into the logical problem of "if everything is so infinitely powerful, how come the Imperium still stands".

Rarely a problem in the more civilized arguments. While it's true that some of the most panicky, immature 40Kids are prone to immediately throwing "b-b-but as soon as they appear in the 40K galaxy they'd be instantly swarmed by an infinite number of Bloodthirsters AND an infinite number of Lords of Change AND all their computers would become demons AND they'd all be instantly possessed AND..." at anything that seems to threaten their image of the Imperium as all powerful (which is indicative by itself, since it means they still haven't realized the whole point of the setting).

Also, notice how all 40Kid arguments always assume, automatically, that any and all fights with forces from another setting will happen in the 40K galaxy, with all that entails (Warp, demons, magic, and other such "I win" bullshit panic buttons). Of course, as you said, if someone specified the battle has to take place anywhere else they could always whine it's inherently unfair since without the Warp nothing in 40K WORKS, so "of course X would win!". The fact that their own arguments tend to rely on the exact same logic to show how the 40K universe would automatically win BECAUSE of the Warp is simply fair and sensible.

>>53510691
Not compared to the culture, no.

>>53514130
Objectively wrong. It's inter-subjective relative to a group discussion, or objective when discussing pure facts and measurable in-universe content.

Understand subjectivity if you really want to be a raincloud.

>>53514185
Shit, accidentally deleted half the post. What it should be saying is:


Rarely a problem in the more civilized arguments. While it's true that some of the most panicky, immature 40Kids are prone to immediately throwing "b-b-but as soon as they appear in the 40K galaxy they'd be instantly swarmed by an infinite number of Bloodthirsters AND an infinite number of Lords of Change AND all their computers would become demons AND they'd all be instantly possessed AND..." at anything that seems to threaten their image of the Imperium as all powerful (which is indicative by itself, since it means they still haven't realized the whole point of the setting, they never seem to consider the fact that such phenomena, or even anything remotely close, have never been actually OBSERVED in the 40K universe in practice and couldn't logically have, since if that really was the case the Imperium wouldn't have continued to exist.

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So since we're doing all sorts of crossover discussions in the thread.....How do the worm entity duo and their universe hopping trickery stack up to the 40k gods?

>>53514211
there is no measurable in-universe content in 40k you retard

and "my setting beats your setting" is still gay, even with two entirely measurable settings

>>53505770
Sometimes Daleks have force fields that can't stop energy weapons and sometimes they have force fields that can stop energy weapons
Sometimes Daleks can be stopped by having coats thrown over their eyestalks and sometimes every Dalek in existence can be destroyed and they'll still somehow make a comeback in a few weeks

>>53509151
>The silentium era flood is the flood which had access to bullshit like "star roads" and "physics manipulation" and was used to fight the Halo equilvalent of the Old Ones a long long time ago.
To illustrate just how "Oh fuck we're all gonna die!/REALITY IS OUR BITCH!" the Silentium/Forerunner-Flood War era Flood were:
The Forerunner, a race WAY more technologically advanced than the Covenant OR 25th century humanity, created the galactic sudoku rings we know as Halos because they were getting their asses handed to them by the Flood at the time.

Mind you, the Forerunners are the race that handed out Exterminatus-level weaponry like they were lasguns BEFORE the Flood showed up.

There was a massive pic in the Nids vs anyone thread depicting how OP the Silentium-era Flood were, but I can't seem to find it on my hard drive at the moment... If anyone else has it, please share it with us.

>>53514298

Peak entities would be bo stronger then everything.

They would see the warp as something they could finally use to counteract entropy and begin studying it's effects from far outside the galaxy and start nudging the already conflict filled galaxy with shard powers to keep the balance of power stable while they start siphoning energy from the realm of souls from a thousand universes away.

Scion at the time we saw him however would only be about as powerful as a ctan shard with more durability and less brains.

Never, ever bother with fictional universe versus threads.

They are always a waste of time and devolve into powerlevel wanking, nothing is ever resolved.

>>53514298
multiverses, path to victory, more mass then a galaxy...Since chaos gods had trouble with Emprah and RARELY flat out destroy planets I would give it to the Entities.

How oudl Path to Victory work around Tzentch?

>>53514214
>While it's true that some of the most panicky, immature 40Kids are prone to immediately throwing "b-b-but as soon as they appear in the 40K galaxy they'd be instantly swarmed by an infinite number of Bloodthirsters AND an infinite number of Lords of Change AND all their computers would become demons AND they'd all be instantly possessed AND..." at anything that seems to threaten their image of the Imperium as all powerful
Imperium being all-powerful? No. Imperium surviving in the clusterfuck that is the 40k setting?

Allow me to quote Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:
>Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
The reason the Imperium has lasted so long as it has is because it managed to spread its reach all over the galaxy, and since the galaxy is so damn big, it's pretty easy for xenos with a murderboner toward anything human could completely fly past entire systems or even sectors of Imperial space without even realizing it.

That's just my take on the matter however.

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>>53504641
Because Warhammer 40k is definitely on the higher end of power on the sci fi scale. That's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing, saying "Warhammer 40k could beat Star Trek and Star Wars combined" does NOT make Warhammer 40k a better setting.

Besides, Warhammer 40k does still lose to a couple settings. Endless Space, for one. Also probably The Culture and the Foundation trilogy (although I haven't personally read either so I can't prove it).

Personally I prefer the lower end of power though. It keeps things more grounded and easier to relate to for me.

>>53518354
Pretty sure Star Trek beats Warhammer 40k m8.

>>53510365
He's doing pretty good, a well-acclaimed spiritual successor to a legendary game.

>>53518354
The foundation universe is very, very weak.
They use nuclear energy that is considered primitive by 40k standards in their most advanced spaceships and their FTL is damn slow.
Before Galaxia I don't even give Terminus a chance against Taus.

>>53505878
SupCom and Total Annihilation run in real time. The game is supposed to literally represent what you as a Commander are seeing and manipulating in your Command Unit.

>>53518498
Star Trek has more reliable tech than WH40k, I'll give it that.

Then again, a lot of things have more reliable tech than WH40k.

>>53518935
Star trek also has tactical FTL, which is absurdly powerful but rarely delved into.

>>53512730
The Imperium has weapons that fire black holes backwards in time.

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>>53514298
Entities are a bit hard to place on strict tiers due to their unique multiverse biology, lack of intuition, vast computing power, reliance on energy to power their everything and their extremely wide aray of physics hacks.

Expressing ideas with the energy of a supernova. Computing with information than a planet of sentient beings might communicate within 100 years, trillions upon trillions upon trillions of shards, and thus unrestricted versions of all the powers ever shown They might just kill Big E by 'talking' at him. Actually on second thought they could probobly hyjack the tyranid hive by lobotamizing the synapse mind and replacing it with their own thought signals.

>How would Path to Victory work around Tzentch?

I don't think it could. Not immediately at least and not for a very long time. Because of the warp fuckery breaking the physics engine that ptv tries to simulate, they would have to do research/observe it/scour what the locals know in order to construct a decent model of how the realm of souls functions and interacts with realspace.

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How would your average squad of tactical marines fare against a squad of SPARTAN II's?

>>53519013

Had. For about one fight, after which they immediatly lost it again.

Is that desperation I smell, anon?

>>53519166
As much as the marines are the overall stronger fighting force an equivalent squad of Sll's actualy beating the odds and coming out on top is not something all around inconceivable. I could totally see the Spartans pulling off an ambush to catch the marines from behind or popping one with a sniper shot just as much as I can see the marines splattering half the squad with bolter shells on first contact.
Marines are stronger, faster tougher, more experienced, have better guns, possibly psychic powers and no moral loss but the Spartans and strong in their own right and I could see a skirmish go either way assuming favourable circumstances.

Again it's a long shot for the Spartans to win but I can see it happening.

>>53518935
>>53519004
>>53518498
I'm pretty sure Star Trek is technically post-scarcity, which would make it far more powerful than 40k. The problem is that the humans are all faggots who are afraid to build a proper army or fleet.

>>53519943
The real problem of Star Trek is managing to be one of the few settings out there whose writing is actually more inconsistent than Warhammer 40K. On any given day the Federation may be anything from completely useless to "we have the technology to basically accomplish anything but choose not to because we don't feel like it right now", but you can never rely on it sticking. How many episodes have involved some random crew member of a random Starfleet vessel discovering a completely game changing technique or something that could win them the Dominion War in two hours, only for them all to just forget about it and herpaderp into battle in their pajamas waving stun flashlights around an episode later?

>>53519593
I would think tactical advantage would go to spartans. Generally speaking they seem to be much more effective as soldiers in terms of field tactics- they seem like they would be much more likely to get the drop on Marines than the other way around. I'm not convinced marine power armor is stronger than spartan power armor, which is capable of orbital re-entry pretty reliably. In terms of sheer thickness I would reason that marine armor has mjolnir beat, but I would figure that their regenerating shields could probably absorb at least a few bolter rounds- considering they can soak regular grenades and grenade launchers fairly reliably. Also, I'm pretty confident that spartans are generally MUCH faster than your average tactical marine, but I could be wrong there, I'm not familiar with any marine feats of speed.

A big weakness for spartans would probably be their weaponry- I just don't see typical ballistic small arms getting into Marine armor without a HUGE amount of volume of fire.

I think the gap would probably be a lot closer than you think, just for different reasons.

>>53519943
Hell, at the level of tech involved in ST, you shouldn't NEED to build an army or a fleet. Remember that episode in DS9 where the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar build a 40ish ship fleet in secret to do a decapitation strike on the Founder's Homeworld and get the wrong one?

Apparently, they think the best course of action is to get 40ish ships, and blast the planetary surface until all life is swept clean. Okay, I guess, except this is a setting where the Enterprise, under full impulse power, can go from Jupiter to Earth in about 20 minues, implying that impulse alone can get a substantial fraction of C, depending on where the two orbits were at the time.

You could get a 20 pound rock, strap an impulse engine to it, go at around .4 c, and there wouldn't be a planet left after it collided. Just about anyone with any level of spacefaring tech can make planetbusters on the relatively cheap, and nobody ever thinks to do that.

>>53514298
The entities might get btfo'd by a relatively low-tier psyker because they don't have any defences for that and 40K has psykers. Resisting other psychic attacks is generally a matter of willpower and seeing as entities have a mental fortitude of cardboard they'd probably get their "brain" eviserated by ambient warpstuff coming into contact with them.

>>53507036
No, throwing something into the warp is something you can do by accident or by just causing enough chaos worship to weaken the boundary.

Vortex bombs, vortex grenades, Eldar distortion weapons, tones of stuff in 40k can fling people into the warp

>>53510991
I loved Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion. The other two books are a sequel that I felt wasn't as good.

Basically it's about a pilgrimmage to a backwater world. It has the Time Tombs, which are believed to have been sent back in time from the future, and which are guarded by the legendary Shrike. They're opening so there's also a war going on to seize whatever comes out between the Hegemony, who use a portal network to connect their worlds together and the Ousters, who are transhuman nomads.

Each of the pilgrims has a backstory that ties into what's going on and they're each written in a different style. One's a detective novel for example. It's really neat.

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>implying a space marine could compete with this

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>>53523245
see
>>53505969

ousters totally cripple the ENTIRE military of the humans in a single battle using drop pod and brute force tactics


also the main point of the battle was to blow up the warp gate and stop reinforcements from coming. since 40k has more powerful ships and magnitudes more soldiers and ships its a retarded contest imo

the shrike is weak and stupid, hes basically just a single jedi with a light saber. just blowup the planet hes on and dont bother trying to get into sword fights with him

im not even memeing but i dont understand how Hyperionverse is getting into so many power arguments all of a sudden. they are weak. hell the MAIN point of the ENTIRE series is how weak and dependent the humans are to the techno core and the first two books end with the ENTIRE human faction totally collapsing and being sent back to the stone age after losing that one (1) battle i already mentioned. so even in their own story they get totally BTFO. at least you could say its a techno core vs X fight or something

>>53523538

too sum it up. the human faction is more like the party in 1984. they have total control but dont actually have anything close to the required numbers to deal with an actual war or revolt if one were to occur (which it did)

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Since we are talking about infectious races, and beings of power who could fuck over 40k, how would the Bydo fare?

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What if the entirety of the Imperiums military was dumped into the City from Blame!

>>53505969
>>53523538
Have you read the Hyperion books? Because it seems like you haven't. If you're talking about Bressia, it is literally mentioned as the battle that forced the Hegemony to adopt real tactics instead of playing at war with their neo-Bushido crap. The Shrike is invulnerable to orbital bombardment, and can leave Hyperion any time it feels like. The levels of power are enormously in Hyperion's favor, with things like ranges and levels of force being way higher in Hyperion for just standard Hegemony weapons, nevermind when you get to things like the Pax.

>the first two books end with the ENTIRE human faction totally collapsing and being sent back to the stone age after losing that one (1) battle i already mentioned
That's just wrong. They blow up the Farcaster because that's where the Technocore "lived', and that ended easy interstellar travel. It has nothing to do with the battle over Hyperion, which itself has nothing to do with the battle of Bressia.

>>53504641
40k is absolutely fucking retarded, but that's also its intent.

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>>53523684
it would be a fun as hell setting

also a lot of marines who cant go anywhere because they cant fit through the hallways and crawl over pipes

>>53513347
>That could be interesting

Not really, Khorne has every weapon in existance and a few that are not.

His Sword just kills things, every thing.

>>53520750
>>53519593

Marines land on them with a Drop Pod and proceed to pull their arms from their sockets.

>>53523718
its not wrong. they lost the space battle over hyperion which they had thrown a majority of their ships at. since they lost the ousters were able to destroy the farcaster

now with so many forces gone they didnt have the forces to defend the rest of their worlds which all got fucked by the ousters, which by the way were the underdog faction that didnt even have the techno core in its corner

also a main point of the first two books is that the shrike CANT actually go anywhere other than hyperion

the fact that they lost the use of farcasters literally didnt matter at all at that point because the ousters didnt use them anyway and they didnt have the numbers to defend their worlds even if they could move forces around.

by the point the techno core (or whoever) acts, the humans had already lost the war and had their worlds surrounded

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy universe > WH40K

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>"hurr durr my imaginary universe is better than yours because I say so"

Jesus Christ this kind of threads are just pitiful

>>53520750
Marines are actually quite fast and agile... it's just that you would never guess it based on how they're portrayed in images, models, and video games.

Funnily enough, I think the Spartans' decidedly more reasonable scale is actually an advantage, along with the fact that they don't paint themselves in medieval heraldry that is just asking to get pegged with a sniper shot.

With that said, I have to give the advantage to the Marines. Barring exceptional circumstances, I just can't see Spartan weapons having the destructive capacity to take a Space Marine down. And tactically, it would depend on the chapter. Versus Black Templars, Spartans might be able to pull it off if they bait them just right, but the Astartes would still have the advantage. Versus a chapter like the Raven Guard? That's where it gets interesting.

Now, give the Spartans access to bolters or even Hellguns, and the situation changes dramatically, because then they can actually stand a real chance of doing serious damage without relying on cripplingly oversized or limited "power" weapons from their own setting.

>>53523989
>no fun

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>>53523989

>>53505969
...but in the books they try exactly that, they try to orbital strike him down, and he just stops time and teleports aboard each of the ships in orbit and kills their crew one by one.

Your lack of comprehension amazes me.

Meanwhile, Heart of Gold flies through every conceivable point of the universe and accidentally turns all space marines into a caterpillar barfing into a cup of tea.

>>53506555
Iffin I recall correctly, the Void Which Binds is vaguely analogous to the Warp... so no.

>>53523891
>its not wrong. they lost the space battle over hyperion which they had thrown a majority of their ships at. since they lost the ousters were able to destroy the farcaster
Wrong. They destroy the Farcaster to prevent the Ousters getting outside of the Hyperion system without the slow method of a hawking drive. It's purely a measure to buy time while they actually switch to a war economy.

>now with so many forces gone they didnt have the forces to defend the rest of their worlds which all got fucked by the ousters, which by the way were the underdog faction that didnt even have the techno core in its corner
Wrong again. The Ousters confirm that they are only attacking Hyperion. It's the TechnoCore that is performing the other strikes, to try to push the Hegemony into using their "kill everything" death bomb.

>also a main point of the first two books is that the shrike CANT actually go anywhere other than hyperion
Except it manifests to Weintrub on Hebron, and Moneta, who can't stray too far from it, bumps into Kassad all over the place.

Seriously, read the fucking books.

>>53524102
>try to push the Hegemony into using their "kill everything" death bomb.
>a bomb that they themselves made and could detonate any time they wanted

Don't remind me how shit those books were. Simmons takes the cake for being the worst at revelations/twists/retcons

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>>53506909
>the timelords would wreck anything in 40k with minimal effort

Gallifrey had its shit pushed completely in by Daleks, shitty biomech monotanks that have been canonically fended off by 20th century SWAT armed with Torchwood space guns

>>53524016
Don't get me wrong, theoretical comparisons between stuff from different universes can be rather fun (i.e.: simulating a space battle with WH 40k Imperial Navy vs SW Imperial Navy) but if the "debate" just comes down to "haha hey guyz look at this OP character from my favourite universe! lmao get rekt 40kids!" is just pathetic.

>>53508583
>Necron are still stuck in their power plays + botched reactivations
It's ironic that Necrons were MORE interesting as mindless borg serving the unknowable agendas of the C'tan

>>53524191
The trick was the timing. They needed to get the Hegemony to evacuate people to the labyrinths first.

Plus it did turn out the bomb was rigged to go off automatically.

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>>53524308
>smart enough to invent immortality pills/worm holes/be master techno jew for an entire hundreds planet empire/time travel
>not smart enough to throw a taylor swift concert in a canyon with free admission

stop trying to defend this shit

>>53524193
That's hilarious, when'd that happen?

>>53524372
I got the impression in Hyperion that the Technocore had very limited physical presence.

Endymion kind of screwed all that up with the super duper soldiers and mass abductions and things.

>>53524685
there is also the fact that they point out that millions of people are between farcasters at any given moment, and that the technocore controls where farcasters go...so they could have just spent a minute or two teleporting everyone that used one duing that time got dropped off at a farcaster of their choosing inside their dumb caves

also they deal enough with physical shit in the first books to teleport planets around and develop them how they like

he just had too many twists inside twists inside twists that it got retarded. i honestly got the feeling he didnt know what he was doing other than "some dudes on a journey tell each other stories/sci fi canterbury tales"

he would have a twist, seemingly get bored with it and then drop the REAL truth...only to do it all again chapters/a book later

>>53504641


The humans were using tech far beyond DAoT levels in their war with the Xeelee and the Xeelee didnt even notice.

>>53525068
didnt they kick them out of the milkyway though?

also why is it always that self described hard sci-fi has the least hard sci-fi in it?

>ctrl f tree of pain
>not found

The Shrike could probably become a chaos god, if it wanted. But chaos magic is like impure crack compared to the lab-grade adderal of void that binds space magic.

Exterminatus is similar. Cooler side effects, but planets are tiny. Every generic Hegemony fleet can kill stars, and they don't need inquisitors and superweapons to do it.

>>53523684
Lost, presumed eaten by the locals.

>>53525173
>FTL but with realistic consequences

Culturefags can't handle CTC computers and temporal clones.

The Downstreamers - now that's hard-sf-wank.

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>>53525245
>The Downstreamers

>my dudes can do anything ever even stuff i havent thought about and i cant explain how or why because they are thaaaaat rad

90% of all fan fiction is better and more interesting than this

>>53508891
Burning it doesn't completely kill every single cell.

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ITT

>>53525552
*teleports behind your post*

Too slow!

>>53525173


The humans eventually annoyed the Xeelee by throwing some pretty heavy duty shit at The Great Attractor building site: neutron stars, that type of thing.

This was long beyond the Milky Way, the GA is on the other side of the universe.

Anyway this endless stream of neutron stars, brown dwarfs, giant stars, planets and fleets etc eventually disrupted the building programme and made it run late so the Xeelee pushed humanity back into the Solar System from across the universe before locking them up at caveman level tech in self sufficient environmentals

>>53525245
>temporal clones
But that shit was stupid, tho.

>>53525704
thats the second zeelee war though right? the first one they kick them out of the milky way

any it seems like youre selling the war short. humans were doing all the time travel bullshit and super weapons that the xeelee were doing

if you say the xeelee won the war then you also have to say america won vietnam

>>53525798
Those are different situations, though. The argument over the Vietnam war is a matter of geopolitical versus strategic interpretations. The Xeelee flatly won their war and accomplished their 'geo'political objective - they encapsulated Humanity in a form that was amenable to their ethics but made them a nonplayer that wouldn't interfere with their plans.

Well, until Ring, but that's kind of a different matter.

>>53525851
in the second war. not the first. the humans won the first war and sent the xeelee packing out of the milky war or face death and the humans stopped the war at that point because their objective had been accomplished

>>53525577
It was merely a holographic post.

>>53526168
*slow claps*
*steps out of the shadows*
*looks down so the light glints off my glasses and smirk*

I'm over here

>>53526471
But anon, I've already done it half an hour ago. You are already dead, you just haven't noticed it yet.

>>53526618
*grins evilly*
You mean this?
*tosses your poisoned dart at your feet*
Your jutsu is strong, I give you that. But can you handle my true power...?
*draws uchigatana*

>>53505112
>Considering two soldiers in high power kit attacked the shrike and held it off I dont rate it super highly
>high power kit

You mean phase suits? The things that make you move faster than light?

>>53507717
So the Thing wins by default because it is literally the apocalypse given flesh and mind.

>>53526725
>>53526618
>>53526471
I like the version XS used. Teleported behind him, turned around, and gutted him when he teleported behind her.

>>53525798
the Xeelee won the war against the humans because they had to leave before the Photino Birds arrived.

they were nice enough to protect the human enclaves from the Photino, though.

>>53505112
They were both in funky future hypertech suits which are literally years better than the normal FORCE kit, and one of them was Kassad who sorta becomes/had become/will become the Shrike because he's the most bullshit OP normal human in the setting it's hardly an accurate comparison to the rest of the setting.

>>53505235
It is. Like, there's a reason Weintraub offering his daughter is an in-your-face Binding of Isaac metaphor.

>MUH POWER LEVELS


Who gives a fuck? It's not like like Mad Max or my long held love of crime dramas because they would lose in a fight to 40k

>>53510365
>implying the Galactic Battleground fanfiction is canon

>>53519348
Your argument was for the whole 40k universe
So they would still have those, if it's the entire universe

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>>53519166
>>53519593
>>53520750
>>53524006

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Can anything in the 40K universe defeat demonbane?

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>>53528205
No, on to the next matchup.

Mr clean vs a great unclean one.

>>53528205
Assuming you mean EGD and not run of the mill Demonbane, no. It would put all the Chaos Gods into a sword and then use that sword to slay all the infinite daemons, returning the Warp to the stable and tranquil Immaterium.
That is, if the combination of its infinite fury and sense of justice doesn't immediately convert Khorne into a truly good god of martial righteousness.

Blameverse is actually pretty nice, they have download technology Able to shapeshift every material into infinite hordes of robots, machines Able to create everything on large scale, cloning, infinite Virtual universes, high regenerating machines that resists really severe injuries (Like the heat of the sun, even thou it requires years to regenerate) immortality, timefuckery, the GBE Technology is just gunsized and can shot things For Like 40 km straight destroying everything in their path, without being at full power, cyborgs can keep on functioning even without heads and limbs, a Level 9 safeguard can teleport a pièce of the sun from anywhere to destroy everything, and most of these beings can survive with Little to not sustain. Then of Course, they have AI, a net where they can access all of this Technology at any time instantly (if you have net terminal genes). Also they were Able to create a structure that is more than 15 AU big that expands randomly, but still manages to have functional Technology running all around it.

>>53524045
Nothing personnel kid

>>53507720
>they are super-massive abominable intelligences that calculate the best ways to deceive humanity and enslave it
Would someone get the Techpriests in here, we got someone who needs a burning

>>53529498
Why do you type like a retard.

Forerunners / The Flood (with preptime) win 40k

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>>53523538
>Posting an Eclipse Class Star Destroyer in a powerwank thread
>Not posting the superior Ascendancy Class

>>53505530
40K is ultimately constrained by its nature as a war game. Powers have to be roughly balanced, in some sense, and there must be units which move around and attack each other in ways that are comprehensible to humans.

Move to other media, and the limitations change. TV and movies don't have to be balanced, they only have to be filmable; thus, you can have the Q and the Time Lords. Once you're taking about literature, the sky's the limit, and practically anything you can think of is permissible, so there are umpteen gazillion entities in SF literature that can wipe the floor with 40K.

>>53505104
The insane shit-flinging over the Culture was sad to watch. "Power levels" per se aren't even the point of the Culture stories, so entire categories of criticisms completely missed the mark.

>>53505982
This was the early days of the Time Lords, wherein they exterminated the Great Vampires, set up a field that made future intelligent species resemble them (we look like Gallifreyans, not vice versa), eliminated or at least marginalized magic, and other stuff. Then they decided to become isolationists and watch the rest of the universe develop.

And the Time Lords aren't even the most powerful entities in Doctor Who. They're outclassed by creatures or things like the Guardians or the Eternals. If you try to treat it as a single, coherent universe, the power level of Doctor Who is absolutely insane.

>>53509543
Downstreamers, Xeelee, Photino Birds, Time Lords, Daleks

>>53531920
Hmm, does any story has clearly stated narrativium powered forces? Because in theory they should win against anyone by the virtue of having thickest plot armor.

>>53523659
>Bydo
tell us about them.

>>53523777
The only thing that can kill a Metabaron is either his son or his father. That would imply he is blood related with Khorne.

>>53504641
In all fairness it is pretty high powered, shit only gets stupid when kids decide it has to be the MOST POWERFUL. There is also a lot of shit more powerful than marines in the setting too.

>>53528040
Children have to be able to say "but my favorite would beat your favorite in a fight!"

>>53532072

They're what happens when Chaos and Tyranids have a lovechild.

>>53524102
I mean, when you say that Moneta keeps bumping into Kassad that doesn't really mean the shrike is also there, if you get really technical even if the main point stands that the shrike can go other places it just doesn't