The year is march 1945. Hitler successfully creates 100 astartes,

>>53501055
Easily, unless the other nations get space marines.
There'd be no comparison, and he'd be seen as a god of war for doing that shit.

Send them to kill Stalin, Zhukov, Churchill, Monty, Roosevelt, & Eisenhower.
Convince Patton & Truman to fight the soviets.

>>53501068
No other marines for other nations.

>>53501055
A single Astartes would pulverize any army from that period. You do the math.

>>53501055
they get send to poland and they will got disassemble and they power amour stolen by greedy polacs, Then they will need to drink so much alcohol that they will simply take poland side

>>53501055
Reminder that marines can be killed by autoguns which are comparable to 20th century firearms.

The Allies get lucky on their roles.

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>>53501055
Literally by sitting back and waiting for all 100 astartes to conquer the deep battle faggots aka the Red Army , then establish the Lebensraum and retire quietly. While the immortal saviors of the German folk watch over the Great Germanic Empire until the end of time, guessing the secrets of their technology until the end of time.

Technically Hitler wanted to establish an agrarian society once he got the Lebensraum , so yeah immediately afterwards Germany would de-militarize except whatever surrounds the upkeep of their Aryan astartes, and they would act like the 100 sentinels of the whole empire. This sounds like a comfy world build desu

100 space marines fully equipt would likely wreck modern earth, ww2 earth stands no chance unless they somehow produce their own space marines or at least 40k tech level weapons.

>>53501165
>While the immortal saviors of the German folk watch over the Great Germanic Empire until the end of time, guessing the secrets of their technology until the end of time.

*, while the immortal saviors of the German folk watch over the Great Germanic Empire until the end of time, whom proceed to guard the secrets of their technology until the end of time as well

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>>53501055
>Astartes
Unless Tzeentch fucked up and sent Spess mareene STC's back in time to eradicate his "patron race" integral to his current state of being, then I've no fucking clue how they pulled this one off.

It's better if he makes the Iron Warriors, for a number of reasons, namely because he made Iron Cross owners in the Reich the prototypes for a new generation of Superman, and because it's for bravery, because of it being a prototype procedure.

I mean, seeing as Emps Accidentally THE JEWS by being moses, if he's involved, we're in some "reversed time to do it all over" kind of scenario here.

>>53501173
1 MLRS.

>>53501152
This. Also, if space marines exist, I would say the Emperor probably does and he'd demolish them.

>>53501055
Easy; everything the Nazis gotta do is sent one or two marines with every normal batallion/division and let them do their thing. It's checkmate in some weeks.

>>53501055
It'll be tough, especially since Tzeentch will be empowering the sorcerers of the recently created British Ministry of Extradimensional Affairs. Can 100 Nazimarines successfully defeat the power of the Allied chaos wizards? Tune in next week to find out!

>>53501173
If my IG can bayonet a terminator to death, I'm sure modern artillery and payloads delivered via jets could wear the Marines down

>>53501245
If the Emps revealed himself and gave Hitler 100 astartes from the primarchs gene seeds he had been working on, then it's pretty likely he likes what Hitler represents and wants Hitler to command his own legion of space Marines.

Marines can't shoot down bombers or cross the English channel, so Germany still gets nuked.

>>53501256
That's kind of the problem of the fantasy novels vs the game itself. In the literature space Marines have been known to conquer whole planets by themselves , and their armor has been known to withstand exterminatus.

In the game you just need to roll a 1 to get turned into green goop by your own weapons.

>>53501356
>Implying the allies could make enough nukes in time to stop the advance of the the the 3rs Reich and defeat Japan + Italy

>>53501359
Yeah, but Black Library is also fucking retarded, and GW has no sense of scale. Marines are only ever as strong as the plot demands. Shit, don't Gaunt's Ghosts murder CSM regularly?

Unless we're talking Culture tech levels (and we are not), 100 dudes are going to have a very tough time brute-forcing through a planet at WWII level. If it is just infantry with power armor and weapons, they would still lose. Especially since it's already 1945.

>>53501426
>implying a khornate cult's deal with the ruinous powers to get chaos marines sent back in time would be enough to save them from the Guard

The Marines turn on Hitler and "remove" him. "We don't understand why you are killing humans in death camps: they aren't heretics or mutants and we are all one flesh. Humans united. Humans divine."

>>53501152
> Reminder that marines can be killed by autoguns
Not in 99% of the fluff. You'd need to crack an eye lens, and even then, you'd be hard-pressed to do that since they're can one-tap headshot from like 900m away without even looking

"We have concerns that the concentration and extermination camps are secretly shrines to Nurgle created by the
Nazis."

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>>53501483

>>53501483
Then kill the US for nuking humans, Japs for raping and experimenting on humans, Soviets for oppressing and mass-exterminating humans, China for exterminating humans, the entire West later for destroying the countries of humans to import other humans to come kill the native humans?
I'm pretty sure they understand the concept of detaining dissidents.

Wouldn't the Allies still get the nuke before Hitler got the America? They would just drop nukes on Germany and the Nazi marines.

>>53501528
I'm sure the fanfiction-tier books describe Marines as unstoppable ubermensch.

Too bad the canonical numbers for their effectiveness don't match up.

Marines can be killed by an artillery barrage, get over it.

>>53501055
100 marines have repeatedly wiped the floor with forces of millions of traitor guardsman armed with las rifles, basalisks, lemun russ, you fucking name it.
Earth's combined forces with arrayed into a unified force (which they wouldn't be) with genius tacticians (which they wouldn't have) and knowledge of tactics to combating astartes (which they don't have) wouldn't stand a fucking chance.
+++Praise the fucking Fuhrer!+++

>>53501055
EMP to disable power armor electronics
Air to Ground Missiles to soften them up
Firebomb to slow down and starve them of oxygen
Mustard gass them once their filters are fucked
Get some fortified good cranes to just grab them and then drown them under water or in a volcano.

>>53501556
Nukes didn't happen til august, ussr less oppressive than imperium, and innocent Jews aren't dissidents. Read a book.

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>>53501587
>c-canon is wrong b-because it demolishes my argument

>>53501693
>i don't know the first thing about 40k: the post

I feel like they do heinous damage but lack of logistics fucks them

Like, they don't have space ships to drop from

do they have the capability to produce bolters and ammo?

>>53501696
>USSR less oppressive than Imperium
>space marines are tightwads about killing humans
I love when people BTFO themselves in a brief statement.

>>53501729
Yes, german engineering gives them ammo and weapons (bolters,plasmas, meltas, you name it)

>>53501693
>EMP to disable power armor electronics
Their suits are already shielded against that
Air to Ground Missiles to soften them up
>possibly
Firebomb to slow down and starve them of oxygen
>those suits are desigened for combat in the vacuum of space.
Mustard gass them once their filters are fucked
>Does nothing expect gas your own men.
Get some fortified good cranes to just grab them and then drown them under water or in a volcano.
>you are retarded and your heretical forces have been purged by the holy fire of the Gott Emepror der Menschheit.

>>53501724
>I have no argument the reply

The thread you bastards crawled out of was nuked for a reason.
This thread is stormwank in disguise.

>>53501068
Yeah, no. The eastern front had armies numbering in the multiples of millions. Single battles had over a million soldiers on some occasions.

100 dudes aren't going to win that for free and a Marine isn't doing shit to a battleship or a B52.

The best thing a Marine could do in that situation is recognize Hitler was an insane idiot and kill him, taking over

>>53501770
>Space suits have infinite oxygen
Remind me how this works
>Can't grab them with a crane
Then use a big fucking magnet, all you require is enough force. Just throw a large fucking net on them and drag them down into the ocean.

>>53501751
>plasmas, meltas
In this case, Germany fucking rolls over everyone. Space Marines are walking MBT's, and that kind of weaponry effectively means every other army is completly outgunned

>>53501780
I don't need an argument, retard, you didn't make one.
>EMP
Because that doesn't exist in 40k and they certainly aren't shielded from it.
>Air to Ground Missiles to soften them up
>WW2 tech scratching power armor
>Firebomb to slow down and starve them of oxygen
Tue suits are designed for combat in space.
>Mustard gass them once their filters are fucked
>''They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them.''
>Get some fortified good cranes to just grab them and then drown them under water or in a volcano.
This is just pure autism.

>>53501055
The only protecting space marines and keeping them running is plot.

Plot means the Axis is defeated. Like real life.

>>53501055
He uses those marines to fight the Allies to a standstill in Berlin until about October when Berlin becomes a huge crater.

>>53501458
>Shit, don't Gaunt's Ghosts murder CSM regularly?
No.

First novel, Gaunt kills a Termie with a headshot, but he also loaded a Kraken bolt for that purpose (I think).

2nd novel, that was created using a bunch of short stories, and thus technically written before the 1st novel, does feature the Ghosts ambushing like 20 Khorne Berzerkers and taking no losses killing them all.

They show up next in Traitor General, and then there's some loyalists in Only in Death, both of which are portrayed as quite dangerous compared to regular mortals.

>>53501556
>implying the Germans only "detained dissidents"

>>53501770
You know what those suits aren't designed for? Artillery bombardments where hundreds of thousands of shells are shot at a single battlefield. Something that happened many times in that war.

He also won't do well if a plane flies over him dropping 20 tons of bombs. Something else that happened nonstop for years.

Marines don't win conventional wars by themselves. The fluff kinda goes out of its way to state that they do pretty terribly the moment they're in an attritional war against a superior force.

>>53501483
At very least they lock hitler in the eagle's nest and assume direct control of the Reich. The SS can be chapter serfs but better get used to oiling the muscles of tired Astartes and servicing their power armor, and the ethnic cleansing will stop, as it is inefficient and unseemly in the absence of Chaotic influence.

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>>53501873
>implying the Soviets, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, British only "detained dissidents"

I love that you guys think that Space Marines who commonly kill an incomprehensible number of humans just to keep peace will suddenly sperg out and start fighting Hitler like in a Marvel comic or something.

>>53501884
>You know what those suits aren't designed for? Artillery bombardments
That is exactly what they are designed for re-re.

>>53501055
With what resources?

>>53501839
Space suits certainly have more oxygen than is necessary when someone is simply trying to smoke you out planet side. Space marine biology is also heavily resistant to most toxins, and they can form a membrane and basically shut themselves in temporary stasis for a while if they're really that low on air.

WW2 era chemical warfare is not advanced enough to deal with the fuckfest that is space marine biology, let alone their tech

>>53501867
How much force can a space marine excert? They are made of actual real muscles and metal/plastic/armor right? You literally see this shit all the time. Some Ork with a big klaw just grabs the snowflake marines and bash them on a rock until they dead.

>>53501693
Here's how we know you know nothing about 40k. Marines can breath underwater, even without their suit

>>53501924
Except nope, basically every book and short story ever written with marines that feature artillery has them getting fucked up by it. Kinda like how in 40k they get super fucked up by it.

>>53501834
>100 dudes aren't going to win that for free and a Marine isn't doing shit to a battleship or a B52.
exept 100 astartes is what you send to take a planet.
woth like hundreds of 40k fortified cities and all.

>>53501708
>fluff novels are canon

GW would disagree with you :^)

Unless you're talking about the canonical effectiveness of a land raider being on par with WW2 tanks

>>53501839
>Marines carry knives and are known to bench tanks

A net? Really?

>Magnets!

You're assuming space marine armor is magnetic. Also, dragging something human sized into the ocean with a magnet is a really tall order for 40s era electrical engineering. If they just toss a grenade once you turn it on it fucks up your whole plan.

This thread is like the worst possible aspie child of /fit/ and /pol/ wanking to both the Nazis and magic invincible space men that are invincible despite the fact that they are killed in the fluff all the time by weapons that every army in WW2 had in abundance.

>>53501936
Still no argument against just grabbing them with a crane. Fuck just drop rocks on them.until they literally cannot lift their way out. Problem solved. If you are going to place space marines in the real world you need to deal with physics

>>53501942
>Some Ork with a big klaw
Some ork boss, stronger than 10 humans, with a giant mechanical claw that works with the power of warp fuckery cuts a space marine in half.

Just fuck off already, if you don't like the BS space marines can do fine, but in story Space Marines perform BS regularly, like every campaign regularly. Space marines will often see hundreds of campaigns.

>>53501923
I'd argue they would simply because Hitler was pathetic. He's nothing close to a respectable man, let alone worthy of ruling all of man kind.

Now, the rotting remains of Teddy Roosevelt, that's something you could stick on a throne and call a god.

>>53501923
>the Soviets, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, British imprisoned people for no reason too!
Yeah, and noone defends that either.

Also are you fucking retarded? I never said anything like that.

More importantly, Space Marines would probably consider the whole operation of waste of resources and manpower which could be used in the war effort (which is was), while many of the imprisoned who weren't there for political reasons could easily have been used as front-line soldiers to fight off the nation's enemies.

But hey, it's not like people like the nazis are very smart.

>>53501991
>GW would disagree with you :^)

[Citation Needed]

>>53501992
Boil them from the inside with radiation.

>>53501973
>exept 100 astartes is what you send to take a planet.

Nope. 100 Astartes is what you send to take out a planetary governor in a lightning strike teleport attack.

100 Astartes with just their armor and a very limited supply of magic space ammo aren't going to turn the side of a conflict where each of them would have to kill 6 thousand dudes alone.

>>53502028
God King's don't wear glasses

>>53501839
>Then use a big fucking magnet,
Its ceramite, not steel faggot

>>53501960
>Space marines get fucked up by artillery from 30,000 years in the future
>That means this artillery from 50 years in the past will do the same thing

Also, good luck pinning down where to call in an artillery strike against marines. They can be really stealthy if need be, and trying to bomb out a fast moving max-sized object when you need a couple minutes to aim and fire isn't easy

>>53501973

>thisiswhatastartesactuallybelieve

100 space marines and about a bajillion imperial guardsmen.

>>53501732
Ussr didn't have concentration camps

>muh goulag

Prison camps where inmates serve up to 15 years, and where those who died did so of natural causes & neglect are vastly different to the deliberate genocide of specifically targeted peoples.

Death worlds & prisons on death worlds exist in the imperium, sentences there aren't measured in years.

>muh holdthedoor

Famines happen on a global scale in 40k, again not out of the ordinary for the imperium.

Remember, the imperium is by canon worse than Nazis & soviets, but if a planetary governor starts murdering productive people willy-nilly without cause that's different than killing heretics and that governor would probably be replaced for incompetence. Not even a moral issue.

>>53501942
>How much force can a space marine excert?
Couple of tons unarmored, more so in armor.
>They are made of actual real muscles and metal/plastic/armor right?
Their daddies had warp stuff in them.
>Some Ork
Stopped right there. You DO know how Orks work? You could make this argument for literally any race in the setting. In fact, you could argue that the entire setting is weak because what in your mind are muscly green giants wielding trash are wrecking everyone's shit.

>>53501055
>in the fluff
Yes. A single company of space marines would indeed allow Hitler to turn the tide and win the second world war.

>In the crunch.
No. They'd eventually fail their armor saves and get worn down. It'd buy time but that's all, not even that if the Brits got wind of what and where they were and carpet bombed the area.

>Then kill the US for nuking humans
Not a crime in the Imperium that commits exterminatus.
>Japs for raping and experimenting on humans.
Yes.
>Soviets for oppressing and mass-exterminating humans.
Sure why not.
>China for exterminating humans.
OK
>The entire West later for destroying the countries of humans to import other humans to come kill the native humans?
Well all right but this is the Imperium. Its a bit hypocritical of them to decry colonialism when they are basically a colonial force.
>I'm pretty sure they understand the concept of detaining dissidents.
They do, but the Jews were not mutants, psykers or in league with ruinous powers. They committed no crime other than be Human. All glory to human perfection! All praise the human form! Only heretics seek to divine united humanity by pointing to the subtle differences that make us better!

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>>53502049
Who cucked you anon?

>>53502006
>Grab them with a crane

And if they shoot the crane? Or just cut through the arms of the crane with a chainsword?

>Drop rocks

Unless you manage to bury them under a rockslide, it'll be hard to shift earth onto them faster than they can shift it off. Plus they'll still be alive under it, so recovery is a possibility for a couple weeks

And how many marines do you expect to fall for that trick more than once? They aren't just gonna stand still for you to bury them

>>53502058

There are books where they literally get fucked up by spears. There are dudes with important names stabbing them with fucking cavalry sabers. And the IG is REPEATEDLY noted as using easily produced dumb munitions that can be made by any planet in the imperium, and that's not even counting whatever piece of a fucking rock an Ork Kanon shoots.

>Also, good luck pinning down where to call in an artillery strike against marines. They can be really stealthy if need be, and trying to bomb out a fast moving max-sized object when you need a couple minutes to aim and fire isn't easy

"There's a marine in that city"
"What city"
"Oh, right, the one that is literally flat now after we bombed it for three weeks straight"

Unless those marines gain the ability to fly or throw rocks through battleships they're still fucked.

>>53502075
Space marines regularly die to buildings falling over them, in the board game even an ork with a shank could murder them

>>53502028
>Hitler was pathetic
Tell me all about how you met him.
>a pathetic loser would have the charisma and drive to enthrall millions, rise a country from it's ashes and start the greatest war in history
Lmao i bet you think everyone ''evil'' (since you clearly see the world as good and evil) has to be weak and cowardly. Kek.
>inb4 /pol/
If you honestly believe WW2 happened because some asshole wanted to kill some Jews and half the powers said ''Nope'', you're the one that needs to leave. Preferably existence.

>>53502049
Well, Hitlers no where near God King material then.

>>53502036
Power armor does have a power field which would help mitigate that, along with generally having a more resilient biology to that sort of thing. Marines regularly fight in pretty apocalyptic hellholes.

Plus you would need to get a big microwave generator and some way to power it, very stationary, easy to shoot or avoid. At that point you're better off just using a normal fucking tank

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For fucks sake, /pol/ go home. If there's a janitor here just ban everyone posting in this thread. I'll take the life ban, it'll be worth it to clean /tg/ of its aspie nazi garbage.

And you can tell its both MAGA and Aspergers from how they're getting off to both the reich AND vapid selective minutiae pulled from forty years of shitty fluff.

My children we are all of one flesh and one mind. All Humanity should stand together. We all have different ideas and beliefs. Why let this divide us? Why is a Jew not of my flesh and my brother. Why not a Romani? Why not an African? They are all of the one flesh that allows us to work our glorious destiny. Who is this Hitler to say otherwise? Some drug addicted failed artist? Turn from him, my brothers and sisters, he stands with the ruinous powers that seek to splinter and unmake us.

>>53502128
Just tie em all together and drop them down the Mariana Trench. The air in their lungs will puncture and they die.

>>53502145
Fucker killed himself after driving his country into the arms of the Soviets and handing them lube.

>>53502130
>There's a marine in that city

That's not specific enough for a bombing run or an artillery strike. If you know the building? Maybe, but that also assumes they don't move

>>53502206
Don't forget how he was both a drug addict and had syphilis. Also, he couldn't paint.

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>>53501055
Germany gets nuked instead of Japan

70 years laters Weaboos make almost this exact thread

>>53502145
The Nazis never won an election, he wasn't that charismatic, he just had support from the business class, aristocracy and the military (all he needed really) early on and was able to quickly silence the loudest voices, making most people too scared to revolt.

He was a pathetic junkie who got lucky, a methhead who won the lottery and lost it all in a dozen years.

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>>53502218

How is it that Hit-cucks have no fucking clue what happened in WW2? Is it the make america great fever that just makes you utterly retarded?

>>53502206
>>53502224
>winners write history so it must be true
Not saying it isn't, but fuck, it's so obvious they did their best to make him pathetic. A pathetic loser couldn't do what Hitler did.

>>53502203
>Just tie them all together and drop them in the ocean!

Do I really need to explain why throwing your magical giant lasso and dragging them into the sea wouldn't work?

>>53502255
I bet you think the jews were persecuted because they killed jesus or some stupid shit like that.

>>53502268
>A pathetic loser couldn't do what Hitler did.

POL GO HOME

A pathetic loser literally destroying his country? By losing? Pathetically? Sounds pretty on point to me.

Or in your home schooling did your dad talk about how Hitler designed all the cool tanks and choked out two hundred commies by himself?

>>53502145
>Hitler was an okay guy
Tell me about how you met him.
>Lmao, subjective morality, kek
Let me guess, you un-ironically listen to vaporwave too?
>/pol/, nek yourself.
You dropped your frog man. That's a felony offense in Australia.

>>53501356
>Implying marines can't do both of those things

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>>53502266
Hey, we're not all OP-tier naziboos

>>53502266
>Weeks worth of bombings runs and artillery strikes has reduced a city to rubble
>That means if there were 3 dudes in that city, you can instantly blow them up

Do you have no sense of scale or time or anything? If I knew what city you were in right now, do you think that gives me enough info to know where to shoot to blow you up with anything short of a nuke?

>>53502295
I don't even know what you're trying to argue now.

>>53501090
somefinkin there

>>53502272
Nah this is pointless because a the end of the day this is no different than arguing son Goku vs Superman or some other shit. There are no actual references to real world physics and that's what we humans do best, destroy shit with physics.

>>53502322
>marines are all psychic spidermen and can tell which building is not going to suddenly vanish

How many fidget spinners did you own before the fad?

>>53502071
>he hasn't heard the rape stories of a gulag
>having bottles put in your vagina and shattered or a rat put in your vagina when you were questions
>frostbite victims being killed outright then treated
>enduring slave Labour 14 hours a day
>implying gulag are better than concentration camps.
A German gases you. A Russian plays with your dying corpse
T - pole who had family members in both gulag and concentration camps and/or ghettos.

>>53502176
>Power armor does have a power field which would help mitigate that
No, it doesn't. It is radiation shielded, though.

>>53501055
I think your drastically underestimating the power of the WWII stratigic bombing campain. entire cities were being wiped off the map dailly. Once you realize your fighting a small number of super soldiers you just keep a heavy bomber wing on call to wipe the entire grid square he was spotted in off the map.

>>53502032
"Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history...
Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it.
Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths."
George Mann, the current head of the Black Library, has elaborated further in interviews:
"In further conversation, George emphasized that Black Library’s main objective was to 'tell good stories'. He agreed that some points in certain novels could, perhaps, have benefited from the editor’s red pen (a certain multilaser was mentioned) but was at pains to explain that, just as each hobbyist tends to interpret the background and facts of the Warhammer and 40K worlds differently, so does each author. In essence, each author represents an “alternative” version of the respective worlds. After pressing him further, he explained that only the Studio material (rulebooks, codices, army books and suchlike) was canonical in that it HAD to be adhered-to in the plots and background of the novels. There was no obligation on authors to adhere to facts and events as spelled out in Black Library work."

>>53502308
>he honestly thinks Hitler wanted to kill jews and everyone just went along for the ride

>>53502030
Yeah isn't it weird that spent so many resources sending several thousand men to round up 20 million people while a 3 front war was going on. Hmm.

>>53501483
SM literally Exterminate entire world for heresy

They would win any battle they were part of, but they would lose the war due to simple logistics.

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>>53501055
he cant.
the marines run out of ammo in a few hours.
then get killed by bombers and fighters.
most of germany is glassed by nukes

>>53501055
>someone actually spent the time to draw that.

fucking cringe

>>53502394
Hey I know this might shock your Maga hat wearing ass, but Jews aren't chaos cultists.

>>53502349
If you're calling in an artillery strike, that means somebody would have had tox
sneak up on these marines and call in their location.

Unless you think marines are just going to be sitting around random cities that are in the middle of getting bombed, and your plan for killing all of them is to get really lucky

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>>53501055
>how can he win the war?

He can't. He has to split his Marines between two fronts, where they'll eventually fall prey to attrition from tanks, artillery, anti-tank weapons and close air support. More importantly, the Space Marines can't fix Germany's greatest problems, namely inferior logistics, poor leadership, and Allied bombing of German production. Furthermore, the Nazis would lack the means to maintain the equipment used by the Space Marines, as because of this they would quickly be reduced to using poorly-repaired power armor and whatever weaponry they could scrounge together.

All in all, the Space Marines may win some tactical victories, but would eventually die to the inevitable atomic bombings of Germany.

>>53502399
>the morale of soldiers wouldn't be obliterated when news of literal gods of war wiping entire armies got out

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>>53502440
Okay buddy
I thought you new marching orders were to start calling Trump a kike

>>53502345
Marines do have general limits that can be estimated. It's just that WW2 is pretty far from getting to those limits, especially with some of the 'clever' solutions you've been suggesting.

No, they're an elite strikeforce, 100 physically cannot fight literally an entire planet.

He might win with a whole Chapter if they were off planet and could strike anywhere on earth, maybe not win but at least better terms.

>>53502439
It looks pretty good though

>>53502460
>implying space marines wouldn't get fucked over by anti-tank weapons and artillery

>>53502394
Targets of the Holocaust weren't what Astartes would consider heretical, though.

>>53502379
Wait, now you're denying the Holocaust?

>>53502445
>If you're calling in an artillery strike, that means somebody would have had tox
sneak up on these marines and call in their location.


You have no clue how artillery in WW2 worked. These aren't precise weapons. You paint a half mile and obliterate it because 'enemy activity' is over there.

IF you can get precise location data they can start doing roving bombardments and the like, but that asshole is going to get caught in a camp or on the front line at some point when someone calls in "hey bomb that fucking hill".

Approximately 11 million tonnes of artillery explosives were fired in WW2.

>Unless you think marines are just going to be sitting around random cities that are in the middle of getting bombed, and your plan for killing all of them is to get really lucky

If they are literally EVER near a german military position or in a german city then they are VERY likely to have been bombarded at some point. In some instances easily to the point of total oblivion.

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>>53502440
Well uh

I don't wanna be that guy but uh...

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>>53502501
They're called dissidents, and rebellions get nuked in 40k homo

>>53502515
>he honestly, truly believes that some guy decided to kill an entire race of people, the ENTIRE fucking country and his allies said ''fuck yes'', and the GEWD GUIS said ''nope'', and these are the sole reasons WW2 was led for.
Jesus, how fucking old are you?

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WHY THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD STILL HERE

>>53501055
He'd fuck up using them like he fucked up using the German army, get every single Marine killed with nothing to show for it, destroy his entire nation through sheer incompetence and kill himself in shame knowing that millions died because he was full of shit.

His only legacy would be veneration by micro-penis wielding autists who should also kill themselves.

tl;dr absolutely nothing would change.

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>>53502565
i'm just saying

>>53502607
I mean, there was already some alt-right guy outed as a /tv/ mod. I feel like most of the people applying for janitor and therefore mod positions now will be from /pol/ We had janitor recruitment just a few days ago.

>>53502591
Huh. I thought Saudi's weren't allowed to post here. What with 4chan being filled with porn and shit.

>>53501117
BS

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>>53501055
>marine walks up in his big dumb bright colored armor
>artillery observers see him from miles away
>all the marines are gibbed to death by howitsers

>>53502476
If it so clear cut they have infinite supply of oxygen, can withstand any amount of force and radiation, never make mistakes, cannot die of starvation or dehydration, cannot be damaged by any projectile weapon, are impervious to any biological agent including fucking chemical reactions like acids, then what is the point of this thread? I'm sure some autistic writers has a passage for every conceivable way of countering them, but in the actual game, a fucking guardsmen with a knife can kill one.

>>53502663
>doesn't deny he's a kid
Go read some history, dumbass. EVERY war ever was led for territory and the profit of those that financed it.

>>53502700
I mean, World War 2 was fought by the government that wanted territory, against those that territory was being taken from.

>>53502652
Yeah but people are literally defending hitler and calling jews expendable cultists in here. I mean.. Come on.

>>53502591
You absolute dumbass. The Holocaust was a real thing, you're setting up a straw man. It's a known fact that most people outside of Germany itself were more or less unaware of the Holocaust.

Are you also going to deny the countless genocides committed by non-Germans? The Armenian Genocide springs immediately to mind, and the massacres committed by dang near every Communist regime, while not a racial genocide, easily meet or dwarf the Holocaust. Are you going to deny those, too?

People are shit, anon, and people with power are usually even more so than most.

>>53502700
You forgot religion

>>53502352
>muh Goebbels propaganda
>muh identity politics

Considering you're trying to deflect from how horrible the Nazis were despite them killing poles en masse and wanting to kill all slavs & most poles by talking about the mean Nazi killing soviets your family were probably collaborators.

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>>53502663
>the Israeli allies are the immediate group he picks to paint someone as a holocaust denier
Watch Memri TV WHITE BOY

>>53502724
Have you been to /pol? Or /r9k/? Or /tv/? /pol/ is the biggest board on 4chan now and it gets a regular torrent of shitheads from Stormfront, reddit, etc. especially since the US election. Never mind that moot said he would delete /pol/ if it became /stormfront/ like /new/ did: moot's gone, and the Jap doesn't give a shit about moderating 4chan.

These threads pop up on every single board all the time and it is incredible fucking tiresome. But the people posting them will insist it's always been happening kek why u mad tho

I remember how Technomancer was treated on this board back in the day. I can guarantee you that'd be different now.

>>53502746
>The Armenian Genocide springs immediately to mind, and the massacres committed by dang near every Communist regime, while not a racial genocide, easily meet or dwarf the Holocaust. Are you going to deny those, too?


IIRC the cultural revolution is the only single event that took more lives than the Holocaust, unless you count the violent depopulating of North America which sits between the Holocaust and the Cultural revolution but took like 100 years and followed 80% of the continent dying to smallpox.

TLDR the Holocaust was a huge fucking deal and you are a retard nazi apologist with no actual point.

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>>53502700
At least put some effort into your cast anon.

>>53502754
A tool to force more people to fight for territory/profit.

>>53502799
What?

>>53502792
Yeah this is fucking garbage, I got excited about 8th ed and came back to tg after leaving when sixth rolled around, but this community is fucking garbage now. It is so fucking different. So much louder and dumber. So much more useless.

I'm just going to go to one of the forums or something, this community is just stealing other websites links anyway. Fuck 4chan.

>>53502854
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>53502827
>Anon's daddy never taught him the perfect cast.
This is why America is dying people.

>>53502673
fyi those aren't howies

>>53501055
Answer in this video by Stan Lee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y

>>53502876
Have fun sucking Hitlers dick through a red hat.

>>53502746
>>53502793
You people are legitimately retarded if you think a world war started because of a genocide.
>The Holocaust was a real thing
Show me where i said otherwise.

Well, there's a section in one of the HH novels where one Death Guard marine, wearing MK3 armour so not inferior equipment and with Bolter and Chainsword, gets rushed by about 150 people, a large proportion of them women and children and all slightly malnourished, with no weapons aside from rocks they snatched from the ground and such, and they overwhelm and kill him. So no, 100 Astartes could not beat millions of trained, fit and well-armed soldiers with armoured and aerial support. Fuck off with your Marine wanking and utter lack of a sense of scale.

>>53502939
The war started because Germany invaded Poland. The fact that Nazi Germany committed one of the worst crimes in human history is incidental.

>>53502565
>ITT 6=8

>>53502854
Honestly it's probably just differently shitty and you're nostalgic but whatever. I think it's probably a good thing to not be on 4chan, but fuck any non-anonymous forum at the same time.

>>53502501
>>53502440
How could Nazi-SM even know that?

If Hitler created them, they'd be branwashed according to the nazi belief

>>53501055
>Fluff Marines
Hitler uses them to conquer the world, Wolfenstein style, the Nazis rule over the world for many years until,
>the Allies/resistance figure out how to build their own marines in which the Nazis are inevitably over thrown after a brutal global war
>the marines, due to their outright supremacy to humanity, rebel and seek to overthrow the Nazis, ruling the world in petty techno-feudal kingdoms, until they either wipe each other out, or create more marines.
>game marines
the war in Europe is lengthened for a couple months or a year until their defeat and the Allies figure out how to make more marines and enter a Biopunk cold war

>>53502771
Hitler didn't want to exterminate the slavs. He wanted to take over them and neuter the Slavic race to extinction, taking Aryan slavs and forcing them to marry to to German to repurify their gene pool while banning pregnancy amongst other slavs.

My family was not a collaborator. My uncle was in the armia krajowa. He killed Nazis the entire war till Russians came. He surrendered with to the Russians with a bunch of others as he saw the war was over and he didn't need to fight, and he could return home.
No one ever heard of him after he surrendered, and he was not the type of person to abandon family.

My other uncle got sent to siberia for no reason when the Russians invaded. he lived in East poland and when the Russians came they arrested him and his family and got shipped to siberia for a year. He got conscripted into the polish soviet army and fought to Berlin too. His batalloon started with 500 men, by the time the war ended there was only 12 men left. Apparently in 67 he went berserk and ran into the woods, haven't heard from him either. Had severe ptsd and would cry when you spoke about the war to him.

You can also relate jews to being a mutant which is what the imperium wants to exterminate, it's more on a genetic level than a physical level though, and I'm pretty sure if given logical explanation the astartes would understand.

Nazism and communism are one of the worst evils the human race has ever made. I just think communism is worse, but that's like me saying liver cancer is better than brain cancer.

>>53503008
>Hitler didn't want to [exterminate] the slavs.
>He wanted to take over them and neuter the Slavic race to [extinction].

Really makes you think.

>>53502607
Because it's fun to LARP about certain scenarios on a /tg/ thread?

Fuck outta here this thread is fun.

>>53502962
And the bongs intervened out of the goodness of their hearts? There are also reports of Poland committing genocide on the Germans living there prior to the invasion.
The war started because Hitler abolished the jew banking system which collapsed Germany's economy in the first place. The high ranking jews instigated the bongs to attack him.
I'm not making out Hitler to be some sort of saint, but you honestly need to do some research beyond wiki articles and movies. Did you honestly believe he just woke up one day and said ''You know what? I'm gonna exterminate jews!''

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>>53502724
>People are literally disagreeing with me like wtf

4chan is about free expression get the fuck off my chan

>>53503000
desu this: any marine, no matter how you insert them into our world?

The result is Thunder Warriors - Age of Strife Tera.

>>53503091
>4chan is about free expression
hah.

>>53503080
Holy shit anon

>>53503028
There's a difference between murdering everyone once and slowly painlessly murdering them. Ones barbaric and one shows a shred of kindness.

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I doubt 100 Space Marines can deal with several thousand anti-tank guns.

Also

> this entire thread

Wehraboos fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98P1AxQRUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNDhswF1GKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SdO-btKuds

>>53503091
>4chan is about free expression get the fuck off my chan

>My opinion is literal un researched garbage and I come to 4chan to scream it at people who want to talk about tabletop games
>every possible venue needs me talking about how much the Nazis ruled because i'ts free and when you're free you fuck everything up for everyone else

Thanks anon.

>>53503114
>sterilization is kindness

OK buddy

>>53503127
>all modern tech is based of nazi science
Isn't like 80% of it though
There's a reason the soviets stole nazi scientist when the war ended and made them work for them

>>53503114
A very small one.

Though I would argue a quick death is more merciful that a lifetime of slavery, which is what the Slavs would have been given if the Nazi's sucked less.

>>53502805
Objectively False

>>53503176
Slav comes from the word slave, we were enslaved before it was cool, we're used to it.

>>53503080
If you read Mein Kampf you'd know year yes one day the solution dawned on him and he has a revelation.

Fucking illiterate goy

>>53503164
No. Barely any of it is. The Soviets made use of German scientists because they were scientists. They did the same with scientists and doctors all throughout the Warsaw Pact. German rocketry, etc. was quickly outclassed by what the Soviets and Americans produced themselves.

>>53503164
Yes, it was because they wanted to win the Space Race, partially. And even then they just pointed their new bosses towards a brit named Goddard. Nazi tech was pretty much on par with everybody else's tech, this isn't Wolfenstein.

>>53503164
>Isn't like 80% of it though

No, really just very early jets and more obscure applications like infrared scanning (most of which was redundantly discovered elsewhere anyway). And a portion of rocket research, but rocketry had been a field for a while before WW2. Almost every real advancement since WW2 has come out of the US, Soviet Union (but jack shit from Russia), Japan, or the UK. Countries with significant university research economies.

Look at every device that surrounds you. Then drive somewhere and look around you. The Nazis meaningfully added to basically none of them.

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>>53503105
Ok, took it a bit too far there.
>>53503196
Thanks, mr Goldstein.

> Space Marines appear
> Allies, being tactically literate, quickly regroup and draw close once again. They stop bickering for a few weeks and then redeploy their forces to deal with the new threat
> Using massive numerical and strategic superiority, alongside massive air superiority, as well as the first atomic weapons, destroy a crippled Germany

Don't forget the Western Front had collapsed and German units refused to fight. Units were only fighting on the Eastern front to get to the Western front.

>>53503232

Don't forget, the Germans didn't even experiment with multi-stage rockets (a concept dating back to the late 1500s) and their own rockets killed more slave labourers than British citizens.

>>53503080
>The high ranking jews instigated the bongs to attack him.
This is some rich fucking gravy, I tell ya what.

>>53503080
> Polish genocide of Germans
> Jewish banking system

Germany destroyed it's own banking system.

There was no Polish 'genocide' of Germans.

You're a delusional fuckpuppet and bomber Harris clearly didn't go far enough.

>>53501055
If they suddenly appeared out of nowhere, they could potentially win the war.

If they took resources from elsewhere, then Germany probably still loses.

>>53502793
How am I a Nazi apologist

I was calling out the Holocaust denier

Are you a retard

And the Commies did kill WAY more than the Nazis, but that's mainly because they had way more time. Sure, not a single event, but still way more dead. That doesn't diminish what the Nazis did - I was pointing it out to put it in perspective for the Holocaust denier.

>>53502939
Literally nobody claimed that. You started spouting off about that in response to a guy asking if you denied the Holocaust. You never said you denied it, of course, but given that his question was "Wait, so you deny the Holocaust?" and your answer was a rant about a straw man instead of responding to his question, it suggested that you do not believe the Holocaust was real.

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>>53503252
>their own rockets killed more slave labourers than British citizens.
Seriously?

>>53501055
>it's another thread about x universe vs space marines
Fuck, isn't there a bingo for this? Seems like the same replies happen every time.
Assuming the Bingo sheet is the standard 5X5 grid, what would you put on it?

>skubposting (Free Space)
>comparing GW's numbers to real life equivalents
>comparing something from 40k to something *similar* in real life
>ignoring futuristic materials present in 40k and/or SPACE MAGIC in general
>citing Rogue Trader-era fluff
>"Space Marines would run out of ammo before they could make an impact!"
>"Even without ammo Space Marines would completely destroy ANYTHING!"
>comparing either side to another faction from a different universe
>using Space Marine's performance on the tabletop as a source of evidence
>using Space Marine's performance in the fluff as a source of evidence
>two completely contradictory pieces of fluff being cited in reply to one another
>someone asking for citations on a every claim
>someone not being able to cite a claim
>"Everything in 40k is canon! The universe is so large and crazy it must'a happened at one point!"
>"Nothing in 40k can be trusted! Every story is just legend, here-say, or propaganda!"
>assuming all marines are the same
>using Ultramarines or Grey Knights as fair examples
>using Lamenters as a fair example
What else am I missing? Any help here guys?

>>53503164
Not really. The sector were the Germany was pretty advanced, such as rocketry and small arms, and some sectors of chemical industry(albeit the last two comes from before the Nazis even existed), but most stuff was either on par with allied stuff, or were actually kind of backwaters in some ways. The general stereotype of german supersicence comes more from the issue that Nazi germany was far more willingly to deploy untested prototypes in the frontlines, albeit more because of desperation than anything else.

>>53503393
Yes. This is the power of German engineering.

>>53503403
Armenia wasn't a genocide.
I know, the Jewish lobby told me so.

>>53502793
The cultural revolution was not that deadly, the "death toll" includes the people who weren't born and who "should have been" according to projected population increases.

>>53502998
Good point.

>>53501426
>Having space marines all of a sudden makes Nazi Germany have the experience, and logistics required to actually cross the English Channel or Atlantic ocean

Only thing that changes is that we drop the nukes on Germany

>>53504420
I'm pretty sure most projections I've read are just 95% starvation, and were very much living people.

>>53503512
The only argument I've seen was that it wasn't a genocide, because while it very clearly came close to the necessary result, it wasn't actually attempting to kill anyone, theoretically. The Ottoman army was ordered to relocate what they considered potentially-hostile-enemy-combatants to a region away from the frontline, and was totally incapable of handling its own logistics let along hundreds of thousands of civilians, resulting in break down of order, failure to feed these people they were rounding up at gunpoint, and epidemics among now-malnourished interned prisoners.

Of course, that doesn't really matter a great deal. I certainly don't know how jews were involved.

>>53503393
Yep, not to mention the allies had tours of duties with their pilots, rotating them back so then the vets can teach new pilots their skills. The Luftwaffe had a "muh knights of the sky fly until you die". Meaning that at the end of the war, most pilots were basic conscripts.

>>53501834
No single battles did not have a million russians in them

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>>53504602
>''muh knights of the sky fly until you die''

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>>53502673
>Howitzers can penetrate ceramite
nah

>>53505334
an artillery blast could approximate a krak or frag missile, depending on whether or not the marine is in the splash zone
if its frag, then the armor has a good chance of saving him
if the shell land very near the astartes, then you could claim its krak, and the sheer force could injure the astartes, although the armor will once again save his ass, turning him from liquified to merely injured

>>53501055
A hundred Astartes would conquer WW2 Earth in the name of the God Emperor of Mankind (until said Emperor reveals himself prematurely and tells them to fuck off for 28k years or so).
I don't see Astartes seeing eye to eye with Hitler's ideologies except that a certain class should rule all other classes and would probably depose him quickly.
And that's if the marines given are loyalist marines. Chaos Space Marines can and would burn the world to the ground.

>>53505407
Hmm that's fair. Though given the ridiculous reaction times of Astartes I don't think most of the barrage of shells are going to hit Astartes in any meaningful (read: non-grazing) sort of way.

>>53501055
>how can he win the war?

By brokering a separate peace with the Western Allies.

Even then he'll be hard pressed to fight off the Soviets. Like any other Nazi wonder weapon, the marines would have a big tactical impact where they were deployed, but their overall effect on the war would be marginal.

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>>53501458
>culture tech levels
Mah man

>>53504500
https://mronline.org/2011/06/26/revisiting-alleged-30-million-famine-deaths-during-chinas-great-leap/


It's a quick read.

Do they have drop pods?

>>53502805
Did you forget that the fedora you wear cuts off circulation to your brain?

>>53501055
He could win, by changing Tactics. I hate to say it but 1 suite of space marine armor would beat out any small arms they had at that time. It is made to deal with much more punishing weapons than what they have available. The problem for the Hitler marines comes when things other than small arms come to bear. Heavier weapons and joint firing of these will take them down, but it will require dedicated efforts. That said, with only 100, and fighting on the shere number of fronts and engagements means there would be only one at each battle.

Of course if Germany gets 40k Space Marines...Tesla wins over Edison, and the US citizens pay only monthly equipment rental fees to the local power company for Unlimited "free" electricity. American heavy infantry get Shock guns and learn how to channel that annoying optimism into a weapon that lets any gun their men wield as long as they believe it will work, it works.

The Brits weaponize their depression and nilism and make use of Gauss guns.

Brits

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>>53501873
Out of curiosity I went back and Ctrl+F'd for any mentioning of Chaos Space Marines in the GG novels. I did not find that instance of Gaunt killing a termie, so maybe you misremembered or it didn't show up in my search.

>Book 1
2 Iron Warriors
1 killed by missile launcher.
1 killed by a close range full power lasgun to the head (he tanked a chainsword to the chest and 5 hotshot rounds)
>Book 2
7 World Eaters attack a column of 10 Basilisks.
1 killed by Autocannon pintle mount.
1 killed by something unknown. Probably an autocannon as he exploded.
1 killed by sustained lasgun fire.
1 killed ripping apart a basilisk with his bare hands and the ammunition stores exploded in his face
Rest killed off-screen. Implied they would've butchered the convoy, but Gaunt's Ghosts ambushed their ambush.
>Book 8
Not sure what legion. This one is probably the biggest bullshit moment, but to be fair, the Ghosts had everything in their favor and the CSM were spread out and distracted killing the locals in a fucked up swamp jungle that clouded their senses and sensors.
1 killed by power sword.
1 killed by satchel charge landing on his gorget and exploding.
1 killed by a lucky hotshot to the head
1 killed by a stolen bolter
1 killed by dozens of poisoned crossbow bolts to the (helmetless) head

>>53502390
>Yeah isn't it weird that spent so many resources sending several thousand men to round up 20 million people while a 3 front war was going on.
>Hmm.
Most of the people were already rounded up and imprisoned before the war began, stormfaggot. Stop trying to subtly imply that, "Hitler a good be, he dindu nuffin!", like we don't know what you're actually saying.

>>53501834
You are a retard aren't you?
OP never said the german army was entirely replaced with Space Marines. Germany still has everything it had before +100 marines. Those marines wouldn't need to win battles solo, they could let the german army engage the enemy and then charge into the most strategically important spot ad help turn the tide, just like they do when they fight with the Imperial Guard.

>>53501055
He can't.His Astartes would rape the Red Army until they broke down and caught fire in Warsaw.

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>>53501055
They will get eliminated by chapter master B.J. Blazkowicz.

>>53502854
You think it is just inevitable. 4chan was a place of freedom, but that same freedom damned it. You ether go to some modded forum and hope they don't run with an iron grip, or come to 4chan where everyone has a voice but not the sense to use it properly. Is this the curse of freedom? Letting all speak there by giving idiots a voice. Maybe or I could just be a faggot who is talking to much and should just go back to lurking.

>>53504495
Yes it actually does when you conservative no one can kill the space Marines and the US didn't invent nukes until 45, and it wasn't until 46 that they were armed for use. If Hitler is given 100 space Marines in 1939 he can conquer the whole damn world ffs

>>53503131
>Unresearched garbage

You're going to need to do something about that projection problem.

>People just want to talk about table top games

We are talking about a historical fiction scenario involving 40k. Holy shit you delusional liberals cant stand fun

>>53501055
If he had the tech to make all that how did he let the war to go that bad in the first place?

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>>53502652
What's sad is that /k/ actually has better janitors.

The retarded fucking farcry threads, or another one that an idiot made asking people what weapons they were bringing to the race war in Europe, didn't last an afternoon.

>>53503164
>>53503211
>Nazi science and Soviet rocketry
Also this, they actually had a good grasp of rocketry, they just focused on developing the technology in a different direction than the Nazis. They had pic related in 1941, which worked a hell of a lot better than the V1 and 2 rockets deployed against Britain, albeit those were strategic weapons rather than artillery.

>>53507458
>1 killed by a close range full power lasgun to the head (he tanked a chainsword to the chest and 5 hotshot rounds)
That might have been what I was thinking of, then, when I said Gaunt killed a termie.

And thanks for the full details btw, my memory is obviously a little rusty on the first two novels (if I'm going read one of my old GG books, I usually go with Necropolis).

Traitor General I've never had that much trouble believing though, myself. Mostly because of how they had everything in their favour, like you said, and also because that while the main characters do have a bit of plot armour (though not unlimited, as we've seen so much of), Gaunt also has his 'best' people with him for the mission. I always thought the World Eaters one was more far-fetched, but I was also misremembering how many there were.

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>>53501165
>Literally by sitting back and waiting for all 100 astartes to conquer the deep battle faggots aka the Red Army ,
Top kek they wouldn't even reach main positions

>people give examples of marines being killed by weapons in 40k like rocks, spears, and autoguns and other weapons available to world war 2 era humans
>space marine fans still can't admit that they'd lose

The only type of marine that stands a chance is chaos space marines, and only because by 1945 chaos gods existed and they could do rituals and summon daemons, corrupt people, etc. That gives them an edge to have major effects on the war effort while minimizing their own casualties.

Still not explaining why 100 marines would follow a delusional amphetamine addict.

>>53508536
Because in the OP's situation he supposedly made them or something? In this case, we can assume that since he made them rather than using some magic time bullshit or something else they'd have more loyalty to him/Germany than something else. It is just a hypothetical the OP wanted to imagine though.

People don't seem to realize that artillery is the King of the Battlefield. Doesn't matter if you are human or marine, even a 20th century shell will kill you and scatter your body. Power armor doesn't provide that much protection from that kind of force.

Why not 100 marines show up on earth in 1945? Shenanigans ensue. Why Hitler?

>>53508566
Because he's a /pol/fag

There isn't much difference, save for the bolter riddled corpse of some fascist leader.

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>march 1945
Sadly, there is no feasible way Hitler could have won even with astates past January of that year.
t. /pol/fag

>>53501923
awww hell yeah! I made that drawing

>>53508735
Correction, I drew the helmet and the dark angel stuff, credit goes to the anon that made the template of it. Which was a utra marine without a helmet.

>>53501055
apply anti-tank weapons.
Astartes gonna get Panzerfausted

>>53508655
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Truth

Do you even think about what you're saying before you say it, or are you just an assblasted leftist who saw this thread on the home page?

>>53501055
Germany still loses the war because Hitler fucking sucked at war. Even the best tools are useless in the hands of someone that does not know how to use them.

>>53502314
do it again Bomber Harris

>>53502314
Do it again, Bomber Harris!

>>53502071
Fucking kill yourself you commie sympathizer. Soviets were 100 times worse than the nazis ever were.

>>53502724
Did you know that there was a communist revolution attempt in Germany that was overwhelmingly led by jews beforeh Hitler even rose to power. Fucking look up what the jews did in Weimar Germany. They were practically chaos cultists, and germans had every fucking reason to resent them.

>>53509359
The Nazis should have also interned and killed the sailors, because the Kiel Mutiny was overwhelmingly caused by Naval personnel.

:^]

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>>53509316
> he actually believes this

>>53509410
Yes, I fucking do, because there is nothing in the world that I hate more than communists, and tge allied scum that supported them when those subhumans invaded my homeland. At least nazis aided us against the Bolshevik scum, while the allies were content on letting stalin destroy my nation and enslave my people.

The wrong side won the war.

>>53502268
>A pathetic loser couldn't do what Hitler did.
Killing himself after destroying his own country ?

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>>53509442
Which country would that be bucko? One of the Baltic shitholes that gleefully welcomed a people that planned to exterminate more than half the local population?

'Wrong side won the war' kek, good untermenschen.

>>53509478
He's probably the autistic finn

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>>53509478
Finn. We fought against you commie scum precisely because we saw what good agreeing with Stalin's demented demands did to the baltics. Nazis were our only allies in ww2 and had they won the war, world would objectively be a better place. USSR is the most horific and genocidal regime mankind has ever built and it speaks volumes of the moral character of the Allies when they sided with the communist scum.

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>>53501923
Heres a remake anon!

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>>53509518
> the USSR is the most horrific and genocidal regime

Cold War propaganda isn't history bucko

> Stalin's demented demands

It was the Allies refusal to agree to an alliance with Stalin in 1938 that forced his hand. Stalin offered to send a million men to defend Czechoslovakia from the German's aggression. The Allies failed to agree upon anything. When it was clear he needed to buy time, Stalin made temporary and ultimately disastrous arrangements in hopes of creating a buffer against the Germans.

Of course, who wouldn't prefer a world ruled by a corrupt, bureaucratic, nanny state where certain words are banned, entire ethnic groups disappear and countries like 'Finland' are further integrated into Reich bureaucracy because of some delusional pseudo-science racial theory. Don't forget - Stalin didn't even want all of Finland. The Soviets wanted a strip of land to increase the distance of Leningrad from the border. The Finns couldn't guarantee their neutrality in the coming war. That's why they invaded.

> Moral character

I'm sure the Nazis have a great moral character. Gassing children and their mothers in tiny rooms while forcing their fathers to work to death is a great sign of a 'moral character'.

This is also all made even funnier when you know that the Finns switched sides and during the war, held a great deal of contempt for the Nazis.

Don't forget it's 8th edition now, even the worst weapons will wound a space marine 1 out of 6 times! Pretty sure the home guard alone could take out 100 marines

>>53509518
Really? You're not even white.

>>53509518
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Volunteer_Corps_%28Winter_War%29
>only allies

>>53509518
Nazis invaded my country, annexed a part of it, stole everything, sent people in work camps when not killing them outright, rased entire villages just to prove a point.

All nazis deserved to die and all nazis sympathizers deserve the same fate, you filthy scum.

>>53509568
Kill yourself commie.
Hundreds of millions of people world wide suffered and died under your demented ideology and yet you are making excuses for it and trying to justify the blatant aggression the Soviets showcased towards neutral nations like Finland.
And Stalin very much tried to conquer whole of Finland but failed at ut because he ha purged his military command of all capable officers and relied on waves of men to do the fighting.

And we didn't switch sides voluntarily nor was there any contempt for the nazis here. We were forced to switch sides by the commies who eventually emerged victorious but we were still content to let the nazis retreat out of lapland at their own pace. Only when commies forced us, did we engage our former brothers at arms in combat. We dont have the same hate of the nazis here even this day that is characteristic of the utterly brainwashed west, despite constant demonizing propaganda about them. Too many men remembered how the nazis came to our aid in our hour of need, for us to buy into the blatant propaganda of the allies.

Though we thankfully avoided full on occupation of soviets, we still fell under their contemptible influence and even today, our institutions are full of fucking commie sympathizing traitors that should be shot.

Also
>believing in holocaust

>>53509600
"White" is such a murrican concept of identity. I identity as a Finn, and non finns, even if they have same skin color as I are still not my kin.

>>53509634
>few thousand volunteers are the equivalent of an actual alliance between two states.
Sweden was too cowardly to officially aid us in any military fashion.

>>53509636
What nation? Because if you are a pole, you brought the war upon yourselves.

>>53509670
>Also
>>believing in holocaust

But what about the 5 and a half million people? Surely you wouldn't dispute that 5.5 million Jews were unjustly killed. Only it was 5.5 million jews, thus making it about 6.somthing people.

What about the 6 million Jews anon? Are you anti-Semitic or something you racist bastard?

Only it was more like 11 million people taking other factors into account. That's 11 million Jews and uncounted number of other people, but who cares about those.

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>>53509670
> this entire post

How can one man be so spooked?

> never forget the fiftyquintrillion people

I'm sure those numbers are academically supported

> human waves

Another Nazi myth

> We didn't switch sides voluntarily and were content to let the Nazis leave at their own pace

Considering that the treaty with the Soviet Union made it clear the Nazis could leave if they wished to. Not really a shame they didn't in the end because the only good fascist is a dead fascist

> muh brotherhood and honour and the brainwashed social studies students

Fuck off Fascist.

>>53509729
Starvation and sickness towards the end of the war explains the death toll of the concentration camps quite fine. The evidence for organized industrial scale operation to kill people is so fucking flimsy that it is laughable. Also, the fact that even questioning the details of the official story is fucking illegal in many countries puts the whole story into doubt.

And I am not particularly fond of jews. The more I learn about them, the less I like them.

>>53509754
I suppose that having a crematorium larger than the one for a 2-million inhabitants city in a concentration camp housing a few thousands of people at best is totally normal. You know, just normal living conditions and shit.

>>53509747
You are the very definition of a useful idiot.
Fascism is preferable to communism any day of the week.

I'd gladly exterminate every single one of your ilk for your ideology brings nothing but suffering to the world and has failed every time it has been attempted. Go to fucking Venezuela to enjoy your socialist utopia.

>>53509784
Both are scum and both have only brought suffering, misery and death to the world.

>>53502501
>not praying to the god-emperor
Everyone on earth would be considered a heretic.

>>53509795
Indeed, but given the choise between the two, I'd pick fascism. At least under fascist rule, I wouldn't be sent to the gulags for the crime of being born into a wealthier family than the average peasant.

>unironic commies in this thread.
You niggas need some Peterson.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rys45B4OhV0

>implying Astartes wouldn't switch to Stalin

>>53509764
>evidence
>flimsy

Nuremberg Trials? The Nazis themselves kept meticulous records of everything they were doing, countless witnesses were called, and even the defendants (sometimes cheerfully) admitted what they had done. Shit, the entire nation of Germany knew what was going on, as did most of Eastern Europe. It was even being reported in Western newspapers as it was happening, but no one gave a shit.

The truth of what you call the "official story" is so completely established that the only grounds for denying it is malice. Which is why you're breaking the law, son.

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>>53509862

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>>53501165

>>53509840
Nope, we don't need any more morons in the thread.

>>53501834
>Hitler was an insane idiot and kill him, taking over

that is subjective

>>53501055
He cannot win the war by 1945. At best, the Astartes must be produced, trained and deployed by the Normandy Invasion, and, in all honesty, would have to be ready for the Spring 1942 Russian campaigns.

>>53509862
Nuremberg trials were utter fucking kangaroo court and they said even in their manifesto that they would not be bound by evidence or proof.
I don't believe anything that came out of those trials.

And I am not denying there having been camps. I am denying the existence of cartoonishly evil industrial scale extermination having taken place, because the "evidence" for that is so utterly flimsy.
The 5 million non jews that supposedly died in the camps is a fucking made up number for one, intended to increase the sympathy of non jews towards the holocaust "victims". Fucking look it www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

If they just pulled such numbers out of their ass, what prevented them from inventing more aspects of the story when the sole goal they had was to demonize the germans?

>>53509951
>Peterson
>moron

Guaranteed that he is far wiser than you and whatever marxist professor who brainwashed you.

>>53510027
Nope he is some stupid old fart that is living in a past that never existed.

>>53501055
If marines can be killed by a shoota, they can be killed by a Browning or DSHK, or failing that a bofors

>>53510065
This site is for people who are above 18 little buddy.

>>53502652
I'm so bummed I couldn't get an application in time.
I just want to clean the board from bai threads and make sure threads stop derail so much.

>>53510082
Then get out.

>>53510098
I'm not the one posting teenager tier "arguments" like this.>>53510065

>>53510111
Boo fuckity hoo. You're still no better. Fuck off.

>>53510132
So this is the level of discourse you have been taught.

>>53510088
Thank god for that. We don't need another autismal board police around.

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Space Marine armor can't withstand a nuke
The nuke was intended for Berlin
Hitler knew nothing about it and was preoccupied with russia
America nukes Berlin in surprise and Marines
War ends late 45 early 46
America and USSR reverse engineer 40k weapons
Fast forward 56 years, jihadi marines with 1970s 40k weapons fly a Stormraven into the twin space towers

>>53510010
How do you explain the mass graves filled with noncombatants?

I'm not all that bothered by inflated tallies. Whether you kill some hundred thousand people or millions of people, you're pretty cartoonishly evil.

>>53510187
Why are all the marines in Berlin?

>>53501587

The fuck kind of tactics do you think they'd employ ? Just run at them and shoot their bolter ?

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>Hitler gets 100 marines
>100 ARMORED MARINES, and deploy them with full gear, instead of making melta artillery or mass produce lasguns
>He then splits then up in 5 and 5s, sending them on suicide missions until they die from overextended direct artillery hits
>Still lose war

>>53510139
Don't pretend it's better than 'wahh wahh you talk like a stupid teenager get out reeeee'.

>>53510211
>I don't care even if I'm being lied to
K the, suit yourself.

As for mass graves, illness and starvation can result in tons of dead bodies that have to be disposed of.
Not that I deny the idea that nazis killed civilians. Of course they did, but so did the allies. Nazis weren't uniquely evil in that regard. I am denying the industrial scale extermination program the holocaust story claims took place.

>>53510234
It's bloody well better than denying the validity of someone's arguments without even knowing jack shit about him or his position, like this fag did
>>53509951
>>53510065

>>53510111
So I am on the mark about you being underage? Let me sum up Peterson and other morons like him for you: WAAA the world is not like the show leave it beaver, even that real 1950s was not like that show and everything is left and the kids fault even that old farts on the right have been in power and things got fucked up.

>>53510277
That is funny coming from a dumbass that called those you don't like commies, even all they did in the thread is say they don't like Hitler.

>>53507896
Yup, German army was absolutely capable of of doing anything other than being pushed back in March 1945

>>53510281
Nice showing that you got no fucking clue about Peterson or what his position is.

>>53509840
>dat Harrison Bergeron tier understanding of what "equality" means
Not even that guy, but he's definitely fucking retarded.

>>53510281
>can't even use reduction without resorting to an unrelated strawman
Never really cared about Peterson, but for this alone, fuck off.

>>53510340
M8 did you fucking miss the faggot excusing soviet atrocities earlier in this thread?
>>53509568

>>53510406
What breed of equality do you advocate, equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? Because communists and the modern far left are advocates of equality of outcome which is a reprehensible position to take.

>>53510395
>>53510418
So what is the moron's position other than blaming the "left" for the world not being like a 1950s that never existed?

Triggered.

>>53510464
Position on what exactly? He isn't against the "left" in general. He is basically a classical liberal that values speaking the truth as the highest moral virtue.
He opposes post modernists because he accurately assessed that post modern philosophy is fundamentally antithetical to to founding principles of western society and culture.

>>53510421
He is not really excusing soviet atrocities he saying it did not happen or at least it was not that bad.

>>53509808
You'll just be sent into concentration camp if your ideas differ from the boss. Or even if they don't differ but the boss decides he doesn't need you anymore.

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Sorry /tg/, i never meant for this thread to be this cancerous. Can you ever forgive me?

>>53510547
No.

>>53510528
Ah yes, the old I am a liberal even if I all shit I say fits in with the right wing dumbasses act.

>>53510528
Vid related.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FTxmKc80wUw

>>53510537
That is fucking excusing soviet atrocities.
He also claimed that stalin was justified in invading neutral nations.

>>53510572
Americans use "liberal" as "leftist", but that's because they can't speak their own language properly.

>>53510572
Are you fucking incapable of actually presenting arguments or having a discussion without immediately resorting to butthurt strawmen attacks?
Or are you seriously just angry with Peterson because he refuses to use the made up pronouns pushed by a small clique of post modern activists?

>>53510572
liberalism is a specific political doctrine, read a fucking book

>>53510456
>Because communists and the modern far left are advocates of equality of outcome
Honestly, they got rid of this around the 70s.

>>53510613
In his mind liberalism probably means "progressivism"

>>53510216
wherever they are they get nuked, america had two nukes, and started to stockpile real fast

>>53510619
No they did not.
They switched the battleground from the economic (proletariat vs the bourgeois) to that of identity politics (oppressed minorities vs oppressive majorities) because the former was not catching on in the west.
These "neo marxists" still push the same equality of outcome bs, just with race and gender politics (as in for example 50 percent of CEOs have to be women otherwise it will not be equal.) They vehemently oppose meritocracy.

>>53510610
So I am right about him being a right wing dumbass?
>>53510613
Maybe you should try that.

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>>53506539
>mfw (semi) religious
>mfw still understand how useful religion was in keeping the common people complacent and obedient
>mfw some mad cuck calls me a fedora

>>53510679
No, you are not. You have no fucking clue of what you are talking about.

>>53510663
That's litteraly only a thing in anglo countries you know

>>53510689
Being pushed here as well, despite my people having been under the heel of foreigner for over 800 years and never having oppressed anybody.
t. Finn

>>53510681
Now that religion and Jordan Peterson have been brought up, I highly recommend you all to watch his lectures on his Maps of Meaning book. It's some quite illuminating stuff.

>>53510701
You scandis are basically anglos, you hate your own culture so much and gobble so much american shit it's surreal.

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>>53510725
>Finns
>Scandi

But you are correct on some level. The amount of murrican influence here is fucking disgusting.

>>53510010
>what Erlass über die Ausübung der Kriegsgerichtsbarkeit im Gebiet „Barbarossa“ und über besondere Maßnahmen der Truppe is

>>53510738
It's not simply influence lad. At this point I'm pretty sure your English is better than your Finnish. You accultured yourselves.

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>>53510789
>At this point I'm pretty sure your English is better than your Finnish.
>mfw I have trouble writing grammatically correct Finnish these days, after years upon years spent shitposting in English on this site.

Fugg :DDD
Societal collapse can't come soon enough

>>53510456
That's funny, since the last time this came up I was on /k/, and when I said I believed in equality of opportunity I was called a commie and told I deserved to die.

>>53510663
>They vehemently oppose meritocracy
Considering the right wing's (including "classical liberals") opinions on the rights of women and minorities, they don't exactly promote meritocracy either.

>>53509796
You DO know almost all Astartes know the truth and don't consider him a god? It's one of the reasons cucklesiarchy hates them. They revere him for what he is, the greatest human being to ever live.

>>53509670
>Hundreds of millions of people world wide suffered and died under your demented ideology
Just like in capitalist part of the world
At least commies didn't allow war criminals walk and live free in exchange for military research

>>53510724
>illuminating
That's a funny way of saying something is blindingly ignorant.

>>53510829
>classical liberals
>right wing
>against meritocracy
Jesus fucking christ. Is anything right of Mao right wing to you?

Left's advocacy of women's and minorities rights boils down to quotas and lowering standards if enough women or minorities don't get into certain fields, which is as anti-meritocratic as you can get.

>>53510843
Have you even watched let alone undetrsood any of his lectures?

>>53510686
Nope, I think I got things here, if you know anything about that dumbass you would see his view fit in with right wing morons. He started whining about Marxism when some bill with some gender pronouns thing came around.

>>53510870
Do you know WHY he opposed that bill?

>>53510837
Yeah, because in commie land, war crimes didn't exist so there were no criminals to prosecute :^]

>hurr communism is bad, durr Hitler dindu nuffin wrong
Meanwhile in USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJgNKXXhHe8