Anyone else relieved they bailed out of 40k and now can sit back

>>53475251
System-wise 8th is actually looking pretty nice. Fluff-wise it's also pretty good, Especially since all the Marinefags are rage-quitting because their Autism can't handle the new stories about plastic figurines being different than the old stories about plastic figurines.

Honestly... as long as you're not a Marines player who cares about fluff it's looking pretty good.

Go away, frogposter.

>>53475346
>As long as you ignore the garbage tier fluff and AOS non-rules it's a great edition!

As someone who bailed on 40k several editions ago, 8th is making me think about getting back *in*.

>Split fire for everyone
>Modified saves instead of ignored
>Anything can hurt anything
>Increased wound granularity

Fuckin' love it.

>>53475410
>As long as you ignore the garbage tier fluff it's a great edition!
FTFY

This edition is actually about the game this time. That's all I want.

>>53475432
These points exactly. There are several players I have spoken with who stopped a few editions ago because of the absolute shit direction the game was headed. With the arrival of 8th all of them are looking at 40k again as a playable game.

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>>53475251
Feels good as fuck man.
>>53475467
>This edition is actually about the game this time

>>53475525
>A TYPO
>GW BTFO
>40KUCKS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>53475564
>being so butt-blasted after one picture

>>53475502
I wish flyers had never been a thing, but it's not like they're going to ban some of their best selling models. Ah well, can't get everything we want.

>>53475251
It is a shame you decided to post that reddit /r9k/ /pol/ shit on /tg/.

>>53475601

He's not butt blasted, he's pointing out how ridiculous it is to use a simple printing error as evidence that it's going to be bad. And it is ridiculous. There are plenty of good reasons not to like 40k and 8th in particular, but that is not one of them.

>>53475525
How many soldiers do you end up with in a "battalion" or "brigade"?

>>53476062
AFAIK it's a fuckofalot either way.

>>53475251
I'm just laughing at all the fags that ever got involve in 40k in the first place. Fluff isn't too bad and the RPG's are fun. After that, it's mostly shit.

>>53475346
Not quite true. I've played marines since 2e. I'm glad the autist marines are bailing. Love seeing the man child tears over some new specialized marine units. Their mentality won't help the Indomitus Crusade.

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>>53476092
Wow, how accurate, thank you for answering my question with such overwhelming details.

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>>53475409

>>53476177

He didn't have to answer your question at all, dipshit.

>>53476177
I want to ejaculate on this woman's face.

>>53476236
>He
Implying.

>>53476298
Who doesn't?

>>53476033
>He's not butt blasted, he's pointing out how ridiculous it is to use a simple printing error as evidence that it's going to be bad
>GW cannot chose how many troops you should use
>it's just printing arror
Yeah sure.
Also, jut to remind to anons and shills, these rules cames from the same guys who made 6 and 7 editions and designed rules for Celestine.

>>53476748
Just to remind you that this will still replace everything on the 40k General when it drops.

Just a reminder that odds are OP didn't actually bail and is just fucking with all of you.

>>53476793
So what?

>>53475251
Complete opposite, I stopped playing many years ago and am now getting back into it specifically because of 8th edition.

>>53475251
yes please leave, and firesale all your minis on ebay, thanks

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>>53475251
>look at the dummies who don't piss off after some change comes along hurr hurr hurr

>>53477639
Better yet, burn them like that one fag did, and then 4 months later, spend hundreds on numarines

>>53477881
Let him run off. Less babies fagging up the game would be great!

>>53478005
>8+
>less babies

>>53478161
Many 8 year olds are more mature than 40k autist.

>>53475251
I only bought Black Library books (not Horus Heresy ones) anyway.
The new lore is pretty bad overall though.
>cadia gone
>shit pan-galactic warp rift

>>53479191
I wish this was a hyperbole

>>53475251

Not even a Hammerhead, but why the fuck does there need to be eight editions of anything?

D&D has been reworked more than your mom, last night, and it's still only on 5e.

>>53479427
Square bases for all models soon goy-I mean guys!

>>53475346
You clearly missed Nids getting royally fucked over again.

>>53480356
That was hilarious though.
>after giving several chapters an excuse to use a shit tin of primaris they all die

>>53480356
Not at all. I didn't mention it out of respect for the dead.

>>53480342

editions bloat over time as new rules are introduced and eventually the games become imbalanced and stale.

dnd5e doesnt release much new ruleswise, as it wants to avoid this, but historically companies release new imbalanced rules supplements in order to make more money.

new editions allow them to make more money but not ruin the game simultaneously.

>>53479748
I hear you. The hardest part about going through topics here is seeing the whining that could be solved just by discussing an issue with their fellow players.

All this whining about primaris replacing regular marines. If it's true, just say, "guys I spent a lot of money on old marines. I'm counting them as primaris. I am not spending a grand to rebuy my army."

>>53480486
Didn't work for AoS.

>>53480531
Wouldn't know about AoS. Haven't been into fantasy since 98'.

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>>53479191
We should have listened to Jaden

>>53480486
Inversely, it's hard to go "um, guys, I don't think these changes actually fix anything" without getting drowned out in the "Go away naysayer" hypetrain.

>>53481094
True enough.

>>53480931
They Would Also Type Like This Because This Is The Most Intelligent Way To Type. You Need To Emphasise Every Word.

>>53481502
If you're smarter than everyone then it stands to reason every word you utter needs to be emphasized.

>>53475251

>Bailed out after second edition

Oooooo yeah

>>53482311
I don't think that counts

>>53475525
>>53475564
>>53475601
>>53476033
>>53476748
>>53476793
>>53476912
Daily reminder that their rulebook is only 16 pages long, and they still fucked it up.

>>53480356

I did. What do you mean?

>>53482511
People are screeching "REE NIDS SQUATTED" because Chaos activity on Baal caused by K'banda's ritual spawned a warp storm that wiped out the Hive Fleet attacking and giving Guilliman an opening to push through. Baal got consumed though before they could rescue them, and 5 Chapter Masters died.

>>53482575
Oh no, they consumed a blasted wasteland that provided nothing and 5 unknown chumps were killed.
How tragic.

>>53482930
Assuming neither Dante nor Seth were casualties.

>>53475346
>Fluff-wise it's also pretty good,
LOL not even at all. But that's okay because the fluff has been worthless shit for almost a decade, it's not like this is a new issue. At least people can enjoy the rules again finally.

>>53482986
They would have told us if they were.
At least Dante, Seth I can see them do in like that.

>>53482511
Every bangles successor chapter save the lamenters [and including the traitor successors of theirs] came to the sector to fight the bugs away, but the bugs still consumed the entire sector save the Bangles' fortress monastery. They were saved when a warp rift, an army of daemons, and a crusade with smurf primarines at the head tag teamed Leviathan.

>>53483013
>enjoy the AoS rules
They're the Matt Ward of crunch.

>>53476748
What's wrong with the current Celestine rules? She plays exactly as her fluff, fucking hard to kill and hits hard but S5 AP3 limits her effectivness and she is not exactly cheap.

In fact I think she was one of the best balanced characters they released this edition. Also she looks pimp as fuck.

>>53483061
>What's wrong with the current Celestine rules?
She cannot play in SoB army.

>>53484695
Lolwut. I thought she could be an HQ in any army of the imperium?

>>53485220
Well technically she can be used in SoB army, but her abilities didn't allow use Act of Faith

>>53475251
I never played 40k outside of the ttrpgs. I'm having a laugh. Seeing these guys go "8th looks g-g-great. T-thanks GW!" is fucking hilarious. Hell, I even jerked off a few times because I'm into sadism and seeing them get fucked over so hard and their reactions to it got me riled up.

>>53480342
Because GW wants to rape you on codex prices and force you to buy the next series of OP models to make them big bux. That's all they do. Make OP and poorly balanced shit, sell it and force people to buy it to compete, and then do the same over and over again to make sales. They need to keep pimping models because that is the backbone of the game. Pen and paper games rely on imagination and can be modified on a whim, so there is no incentive to keep shitting out new editions unless it's a big change. Because you can homebrew and houserule away shit in pen and paper games, ya can't with a war game. So, GW has them by the balls and if they wanna play with those expensive plastic army men, they better pay up.

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Can someone explain why 8th edition is bad?

>>53485750
It's the tiny minority who enjoy their bloated and broken rules of 7e who are whinging. Pretty much everything I have seen so far looks good, I don't like the removing of vehicle facings but hey it's a small trade off.

>>53485750
The thread has already said why. The rules are broken, and when not broken are AoS tier dumbed down, the fluff has so many asspulls that it reads like an 8 year old making shit up, and it addresses nothing and merely became yet another way to pimp out new models and they actually made space marine space marines.

This edition is so bad that I think GW either knows their audience is full of retards, or has so little respect for them that they think this "most playtested edition ever" passes as anything but GW shitting whatever comes to mind on a page and calling it a day while giving you fluff that is so bad a child can come up with better.

The few bright spots this edition has are eclipsed by the flaming heap of garbage that everything else is.

>>53475905

There is no reason for flyers to not be a thing. I can't wrap my head around how you could accept infantry and vehicles and yet expect aircraft to be completely absent. Wouldn't be surprised if they were seemingly absent or relegated to side games for so long simply because GW didn't have the resources to manufacture them in large numbers for what they viewed as a price that anyone outside of the FW range of player or collector would actually pay.

>>53479427

The rift is actually a cool concept though since it opens things up for a lot of potential. The only way it will be bad is if GW makes it ultimately not matter by making it hop over it something everyone can do. Guilliman showing up at Baal is not definite proof of this because an explanation doesn't really seem to be given or if one is it's the result of the Warp being the Warp, which is fine if used sparingly.

Seriously though the whole Baal affair was always going to have problems since in hindsight it was obviously written when GW thought they were still going to keep 40k on the cusp of the 13th Black Crusade. When they decided to move on they obviously couldn't leave the Blood Angels stuck in a grueling war that would prevent them from being used elsewhere. As is it seems like the BA possibly got shit on just as much as, if not more than, the Ultramarines did during the first Tyrannic War and I don't recall anyone calling that bad lore. That was responsible for shattering an entire Hive Fleet too whereas the what assaulted Baal is merely a tendril of Leviathan.

>>53485750
Vehicles attack in close combat, and can lock units in melee (or be locked). It represents them "trying to run stuff over", even if said stuff is as large as they are and even if the tank doesn't move.

tl;dr Baneblades are now Beyblades.

>>53485750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVPop0LsaQ

>>53485805
>It's the tiny minority
Nice try shill

>>53485832
The difference is that when Ultramar it was written halfway decently. With Baal it read like:

Awwww how kewl! And then like the BA are under fire! Pow pow pow! And then like the ultramarines went zooom and went in and punched everyone in the face, and then there was this big bad demon lord and chaos was there and just BAM'd the tyranids and then...

It's like the story a kid makes when smashing his action figures together.

>>53485918

It's likely written like that because it's part of a timeline of sorts. I will not be surprised if in the future GW does a campaign book or two focused on the whole affair.

>>53485951
Or maybe you should expect higher quality for the shit you are paying for. I have read /tg/ fanfiction better than this. Go to the 40k general and ask some random guy to make a greentext of fluff and I'd bet it is more interesting than what GW put out. And that is pathetic given these are the professionals paid to write out a somewhat decent story. Instead we get a series of asspulls all through 8th. That is just shitty writing and shows how little thought they put into any of this. They couldn't even be fucked to try to make up a reasonable bit of fluff.

>>53485994
I'm sure there will be a black library book that will describe it in epic detail if you want.

>>53485994

To me it sounds like you're the one who should expect less from something like a damn timeline summary of events, which to me read as par for the course until the end, the fault of which lies with the fact that as I said it was originally written when the thought was that 40k was going to remain in stasis and thus you have to really ramp up the doom and gloom.

It also bears worth mentioning that Baal was always going to be under two pronged assault from Leviathan and Ka'Bandha. The fault there lies with GW and perhaps the playerbase putting so much emphasis on the former.

For being on a website about talking about shit, and for you being both figuratively and literally invested in the shit you're talking about, there sure is a startling lack of actual discussion.

If you think something is bad, *describe why you think that is*. Don't just have a collection of different non-committal insults. That's not the same thing. It's just five, ten, twenty more words where you're flatly telling someone you don't like something.

>>53485994
For example. Let's see what makes a better story.

>butthurt imperial priest launches Damocles Gulf crusade and gets shot down by the Tau. Showing the Tau just how big the Imperium is and shows the Imperium that the Tau are rising

New fluff after the retcon
>GIANT TAU COCKED ANIME MECHA destroys the TINY DICK imperial fleet ever seen and easily win with no consequences and wreck their shit

And I can go on. Rather than make an interesting bit of fluff, GW just reaches down and wanks everyone so fucking hard that it is almost embarassing to read.

And another but older one
>Ollanius Pius dies and shows the Emperor that Horus is truly evil and has forsaken all he swore to protect, a heroic sacrifice by a normal human changes the day

New fluff
>Horus faces 3 titan legions, the missing primarchs, all the custodes, and an entire horde of guardsmen and wipes them all out as Ollanius is now an immortal and borderline demigod

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>>53485610

>I've never played 40k
>I somehow am laughing at a new edition even though I understand nothing

Keep playing Dark Heresy over the internet, you friendless wonderfag

>>53485827

What is the flaming garbage though, for real? Like...it just seems like 7th edition only they removed every USR and unit types?

>>53486154
>it's impossible to enter 40k threads and see what people have been saying about the game

Yeah, it isn't like anyone would even have a chance to comprehend all the subtle nuances of a basic wargame or how rules may be imbalanced. Only the truly elite 40k fans who shell out countless dollars for plastic toys and even shittier codexes have access to such forbidden knowledge.

>>53485864
The overwhelming consensus on /tg/ is that it is looking really good except for some retarded new muhreens.

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>>53486211

Negro, this hobby doesn't cost money, it makes money.

I find it absolutely fucking fascinating that 40k threads attract so many shitters who have never played the game, and who never INTEND to play the game. Obviously you like rpg's, which I correctly assume you play exclusively over the internet. Would you take any stock at all in the opinions of someone who breezed into your discord session from a counterstrike server and started talking shit about your game?

Would buying a whole bunch of dark imperium boxes day one and getting all my units broken up and onto eBay as fast as I can net me some nice money?

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>>53486059

... is this literally your first time in /tg/?

>>53486312

Doubt it.

>>53486312
it depends on what you buy them for, I'm sure the people who break up Betrayal at Calth and BoP sets are getting them cheap. But if you're paying retail fuck no

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just a general question... does anyone still play this game and enjoy it? i'm a little tired of 7th but i don't think i will hate 8th. the fluff changes are silly but tolerable. its not like there will never be any good fluff written again ever.

numarines are just GW being GW, is anyone surprised at this point? well i guess SM players are surprised because its been a long time since they've been really obviously fucked over.

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Pic is people who like 8th.

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>>53486364

its funny how people said that about AOS and there are people playing it and enjoying it.

i read the rules for 8th and my face didn't melt off, i'll probably start a campaign around release. does this make me a daemon?

Question.
Who is stopping you from continuing to play 7th edition?

>>53486402
There are also people who enjoy My Little Pony. Just because people like and play it doesn't make it good. AoS is one step above shoving action figures together and making fighting noises. If it wasn't for some dice it'd basically be that.

And if you find that fun, go ahead and enjoy it, but some of us aren't toddlers.

>>53485918
>It's like the story a kid makes when smashing his action figures together.

...Has this ever not been an accurate description of 40k lore?

>>53486402
>and there are people playing it and enjoying it.
Yeah people with bad taste exist.

>>53486429

honestly the lure of 8th edition for me is going back to playing games over 10,000 points and possibly finishing them in under 8 hours. and on that note..

>>53486430

have you even read the leaked core rules yet? all that insanely stupid shooting and melee complexity has been removed. none of those things made playing the game good, they were kneejerk countermeasures to keep people from finding loopholes and exploiting the rules. as a toddler i can assure you that after playing 5 editions its a welcome change to get back to basics.

>>53486466
There is a difference. Back then 40k was meant to be pulpy sci-fi fun. Basically making an over the top setting and having fun with some sci-fi tropes. That can be fun. But then GW wanted to be taken seriously. You can have cartoony and over the top or serious, you can't have both. And when GW tries to be serious, but ends up using cartoony logic to make up for their lack of creativity and really only is a joke because of how bad the writing is; it goes from fun and goofy, to just being boring and pathetic.

>>53476062

>battalion

300 - 800 men.

>Brigade

3,200 to 5,500 men.

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>MFW 40k gets DoW3 treatment in 8th
>All these buttblasted autismos that say it doesn't "feel" right anymore

>>53486490
You're right. AoS is fun! Don't forget to neigh when you have to literally pretend to be a horse!

GW slapped WHFB players in the face with that charades bullshit. You are either a shill, retarded, or have a humiliation fetish if you are defending any of that shit. And that isn't even including how they took a game with some measure of strategy and made it a game of grown ass men having to play charades and dumbed it down to the point where I wonder why they bothered to even make rules and call it a game at all.

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>>53485723
This. I tried to houserule some stuff in 7E that I didn't like and Tom Kirby kicked in my door and beat me with a tube sock full of onions. Warhammer can only be changed by a new edition, since it has salt as a casting reagent.

This thread is causing the salt market to collapse.

>>53486585
99% of wargamers don't only play with friends. They buy in to play with a lot of people at tournaments or game stores. And houserules don't fly at those venues.

Pen and paper games are designed to be played that way and half the rulebooks encourage it. Wargaming is different. It would be like saying that because I can play chess variants with my friends, that means I can go to a chess tournament and try to play crazyhouse. If anyone wants to play with a larger community they are forced to adhere to those rules as it is the only common ground.

And don't tell me most only play with friends. There are cheaper hobbies than spending hundreds of dollars on a single game to play with a few friends. You can buy a cheap ass chess board and pieces and have years of fun and even variant games. 40k minis are for one game.

>>53475346
>Honestly... as long as you're not a Marines player who cares about fluff it's looking pretty good.
yesterday it was revealed that hive fleet leviathan was deleted from the universe

>>53486626
Come to think of it, that reminds me of a much better thread.

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>>53486626

glorious, glorious chaos.

>>53486634

oh crap, i am the 1%

oh crap, i am a toddler daemon!

meh, it's too hot.

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>>53486634
>I cannot play my homebrew rules outside of the community based around my home

If I showed up at a DnD league with my handwritten tables they'd tell me to fuck off. The original point was "Warhammer cannot be modified via houserule," which is flatly untrue, no matter how far the goalposts are moved. No one is being held at gunpoint unless they follow RAW, and if people actually discussed their ideas with their opponent or the store community, they might find people are more receptive than they thought.

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at this point i'd play games in nothing but a diaper if it meant my daemon toddlers would get buffed and be playable again.

*shoots an evil glance at 80 berzerkers collecting dust*

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>>53485837
As they should be.

>>53485837
Even drop-pods?

>>53475251
Yeah except I did that with 6th. Could have been 5th, they all just blend together. 8th actually looks less shit. But less shit is still shit.

>>53483028
While AoS rules are shit in fantasy, they actually work well in 40k

>>53483028
While AoS rules are shit in fantasy, they actually work well in 40k

>>53485723
>compete
>in 12+ child's game
I bet you also play yu-gi-oh professionally

Competitive players are are the true cancero of tabletop games

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>>53485837
I thought all units could leave combat in their turn now?

>>53485837
IT EES DE BEEEYBLEEEEEYDHE.

>>53486559
>xDDDD DOW 3 is accurate to the table now
>infantry takes 3 rounds of shooting to blast off the table

Sure buddy.

>>53475251

I'm glad I'm out, but I don't mind that the new edition has fans.

>>53475432
>Anything can hurt anything
>Increased wound granularity
also characteristic tied to wounds
that's some RTS tier shit and shows their market target

>>53475251
Yes. It's less of a shitshow than the previous edition and GW's been making promising noises lately, but I'm still glad I got out years ago.

>>53485827
>>53485723
>>53486570
so much this
GW needs to eat too, but I'm not paying for their lunch.
Fuck, I remember 3/4ed, and fantastic specialist games like Battlefleet Gothic or Epic Armageddon.
It was time when GW had actually heart, now it is about income only.
It's no game for old man like me anymore...

>>53486645

Yeah, and other hive fleets are still doing fine. It ain't over till it's over.