At first I thought, "Games Workshop should just call this

>>53414770
Yes, it's a thing. Yes, it's stupid. All of this new fluff is stupid.

Strongly consider looking into a new game.

>>53414770

In the future all SM will be primaris SM

It was GW's way of changing the old models to new truescale ones without explicitly making the old ones to true scale.

The dragged the manlet marines for too long and now they are forced to subtly change them instead of whiping the old ones out.

Because SMs are what keeps GW running and half the fanbase would go otherwise.

Just look at the nurgle models. Old heresy armor but bigger than regular SM

>>53415640
the powers of chaos can make you a big guy.

>>53415721
For you

>>53414900
good color scheme

>>53415838
For you.

>>53414770
it's so they can sell you new chapter master models, all the named big boy space marine characters will eventually get new $50 primaris bodies

>>53415640
plague marines have always been bloated to the point of being bigger than normal space marines

>>53415838
I unrionically agree actually. Even if it would be a royal bitch to paint.

>>53417017
prime white, airbrush uthuan grey

xerues, gs pink edge highlights

white scar 50/50 uthuan on the shite areas, white scar edge highlight

Moot green with gaus blaster edge highlights

doesn't look that hard honestly

so long as you have an airbrush for that first uthuan coat

>>53417084
You would be able to get some wings from Pupperswar too

>>53414770
What's up with the shark?

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>>53414770

Holy shit Carcharodons Jetbikes are finally a reality?

>>53417571
>Plz spoonfeed me
Jumping the shark. Common trope for reaching the point where it's all downhill from there.
>Baited like a champ
Whatever, its late.

>>53417593
Oh

>>53417571
>really?!

>>53414900
I know you're being a faggot, but I love that color scheme, looks great.

>>53417603
Here, I sentence you to tvtropes for your reeducation.
May the God Emperor have mercy on your sleep schedule.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark

>>53414856
It's going to be all good. AoS went good, didn't it?

>>53414900
Thanks, doc.

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>>53414770
>gets invaded by the largest chaos force since the heresy era
>galaxy gets torn asunder
>new tech is discovered that could turn the tides of war
>this is stupid
/tg/ everyone.

>>53417710
Everywhere but here, just like D&D 5e. Face it folks, we're the cynical tabletop gamer forum. We're necessary, we're unpleasant, and we're not always right, but we at least counter-balance the overly optimistic views of other sites. That's always a good thing, right? Right?

>>53414770
gonna buy em because fuck it. Progression in the lore is a good thing. all my old minis will get cut up/ green stuff added and mixed in so my marines have variable heights. Thats right....A force of marines with various heights. From brother mantlet all the way to brother "Why did you truescale a primaris marine?!"

>>53417770
>and we're not always right
this is a pretty generous statement, considering /tg/ is almost never right.

>>53417694
>advocating for tvtropes
kys

>>53417849
Yes, but if I said we were almost always mostly wrong I'd get everyone mad at me, not just most of them.

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>>53414900
>When you find a great color scheme for your 3000 points of grey marines that surpasses what you already had in mind from a troll post on /Tg/

Thanks Anon

>>53417753
>>new marry sues pulled out of the ass
>it's not stupid
Matt, please

>>53418211
I-I'm not Matt, YOU'RE MATT. Yeah. I bet you have a fucking Store-Marine statue painted up like an Ultramarine in your bedroom don't you. With posters of every piece of UM art known, and a custom bust of Guilliman next to your shrine to Ultramar.

I don't have any of that. Fuck you. I'm not Matt Ward.

>>53417710
>AoS went good, didn't it?

AoS is a fucking awful dumpster-fire of a game that managed to strike a chord with the casual wargaming market. If all you want to do is push models around a table and roll some dice without having to think too hard, it'll scratch that itch perfectly. Otherwise it falls woefully short.

>>53417593
>>53417694
Go back from whence you came

>>53418327
>I don't have any of that. Fuck you. I'm not Matt Ward.
So you just from Reddit

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>>53414900
>>53418137
Anyone want to roll the guys up? I even got a name for them: Star/Space Rangers.

So when are we going to get Primaris Terminators?

Or is Terminator armour now just thinner than it used to be while still being as protective.

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>>53420535
I think Gravis armour is the new Terminator.

It's ugly tho.

>>53421060
looks infinitely better than current hunchback termies.

>>53421060
The only problem is the shoulders.

>>53414770
>old Space Marines could undergo a procedure to be beefed up into Primaris Marines.
Fuck they really are planning on a full replacement of old marines

>>53421060
looks more like regular Mk10 but with additional plating

Warhammer fantasy fan here, sorry to hear you guys are getting the age of sigmar treatment too. Remember that the universe you love was never real, and now exists as it always has; in your minds and hearts

>>53421463
that's cool and all but nobody is mad about 8th edition, they are only mad about bigmarines.

It is a thing because it will sell, not because it is good in any way, shape or form. I am in the same boat as >>53414856 .


Is Malifaux any good these days?

>>53421501
>but nobody is mad about 8th edition,
Except people who loves game, not interactive dioramas

>>53421529
What game. 7th Ed is not a game. It's a model catalogue followed by a flowchart to see who wins. No need to set up models, there is no actual player involvement.

>>53421529

>implying there has been a 40k game since 3rd edition

>>53421647
>7th Ed is not a game.
Agree and why do you think 12 pages for 60$ from the same guys will be better?

>>53414900
>You don't want to be in the way when my Melta goes off.

>>53414770
>because if they are these "new" troops then how could they have gotten the experience already

bro, when you are going to open the rulebook, the fluff will be 200 years in the future and it will be stated that primaris are already a super force and that all chapters even the most reluctant, accepted them DECADES ago.

they are only "new" for you

>>53418913
So it's like WFB, but without the tedium in other words. With the added bonus that all the try-hards went to 9th age or x-wing so the playerbase is far less neckbeardy than before.

>>53421709
It can't be fucking worse, that's for sure. Parcheesi is an improvement over the current ruleset.

>"Games Workshop should just call this what it is, it's true scale marines"

True scale? Not bloody likely mate. GW has had a bad case of scale creep for ages. This is just the next step along that path. The guardsmen and guardians and whatnot are gonna end up this size too one day. At best GW might manage to keep the regular marines, if they stick around at all, smaller than these guys, simply so the designated cool face of the brand guys can remain bigger (yes, it's all about size, the imperial knights are here for the same reason wWrmachine got their colossals, every kdi wants to be the one with the biggest toy) than the old washups.

The fluff simply exists as an excuse for the models to exist.

>>53421827
>It can't be fucking worse, that's for sure.
It can be look:
- Doubleturns system
- Morale system
- More Special Rules

>>53421103
I'll take a massive upper frame over this one's weird beer belly stance.

>>53421797
>With the added bonus that all the try-hards went
They didn't, now they playing Sylvaneths, sigmarines and Tzeench
>is far less neckbeardy than before.
Yeah, redditos is such a good audience

>>53417803
For your chapter master you should track down one of those six inch marine display models

>>53421851
>Doubleturns system
Not in 8th

>>53421355
Slowly but surely. Every special character will See Reason and undergo Primaris treatment and get a brand new model, there will be Primaris versions of all the current range...and then they'll stop producing the current range's miniatures.
But it means that, eventually, there will just be rules for Space Marines and the current ones will simply be old models. All new marines are Primaris. All marine statlines are Primaris. Those shorter marines? They're veterans of a hundred battles, now, so they're just as good as a Primaris so get the same stats.
It's brilliant, really. They get to make truescale marines who are also bigger deals AND without having to redo the entire model range all at once, while having a reason for people to buy the new models (because they're a business) all while having an endgame of 'you can still use your old dudes'.

>>53418211
>I don't know what a mary sue is

>>53417803
>Progression in the lore is a good thing.

A quick look at things like Warhammer's end times and GW's little Horus Heresy bit and it's quite obvious that GW sure as hell shouldn't try any progression, because they have a pathological inability to progress in any direction other than down the port-a-potty. They could hammer AD2000 and Elric/Dune together into a reasonable setting, but they sure as hell don't have anyone around at the moment who can do characters and storylines.

I'll leave it an open question whether any wargame like this benefits from a progressing narrative, but the Battletech bunch seldom seems terribly happy about where theirs went, and Warmahordes appears to have settled for a lot of loud noises and buildup which then somehow always leads to nothing really changing.

>>53421851
"doubleturn" is something that exists in so many games it's amazing GW players never heard of it. I had to think hard to remember a game I play that doesn't have initiative rolls every game turn.

Turns out Gathering Storm was 40k's End Times after all.

The 40k universe wasn't destroyed at the end, but it was fundamentally changed beyond recognition. The setting/aesthetic is ruined. Now we have super duper marines in futuretech tacticool armor. I'm sure we'll soon have mega space orruks and super duper chaos marines (thanks to the warp fuckery) too.

Still looking forward to the new rules though. I'll keep playing my old marine army, having faith they will never be unsupported just like how GW said I could keep playing my Tomb Kings army. I trust them.

>>53417753
Much like the fantasy changes (elf to aelfinn or w/e) it's primarily being done so GW has an easier time with copyright in court.

>>53417873
Wait, if we accept the premise that /tg/ is almost all ways wrong, and that statement was made on /tg/, doesn't that make it so there is a good chance that statement was wrong thereby making /tg/ almost always right?

>>53421709
The core rules are free you dumb dumb.
Now the rules+fluff+subsidiary rules? That's another story.

>>53421981
>doubleturn" is something that exists in so many games
Yes and almost always it's shit mechanic.

So are csm just going to be trashies now lore wise? Since they shouldnt really have primaris.

>>53422239
Yep.

>>53422233
It's way better than losing initiative on turn 1 and being stuck as 2nd player for the whole game.

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>>53414900
Toy Story is my favorite movie, and I fully plan on making these.

>>53422247
Yeah because everyone hates hose people who use "high risk-high value" tactics

>>53422245
Guess my smol traitors are gonna get beaten up by a bunch of big-marines till chaos gets their own.

>>53422233
People like you sound like very bad players.

A double turn is neither good nor bad

>>53422323
>A double turn is neither good nor bad
It's bad because it's nothing but a pure random, which forces you to play safest way as it possible

>>53421135
>The only problem is the shoulders.
pauldron fetishist detected

>>53421982
>>53421463
>we're getting End Times'd!
Guys, it's new models for Marines, with a decent explaination on how and why, not 'Chaos win all their battles easily, and the BBEG destroys the universe. THE END'

>>53421933
this

>>53422339
>Not setting up lure in advance

How does this differ if you're always 2nd player? You have to play more carefully than 1st player and you can never hope to change it.

>>53414900

Oh shit, that colour scheme really is dope as fuck. Now I know what to do with my Primarines when I get the box. I'll call them "Rangers of the Eastern Fringe".

>>53422359
it's more predictacle so it's easier to plan for it. Also, the chances your opponent moves/shoots twice as much is 0.

I ain't played since 4th edition. Are generic Marines 5 to a box now?

>>53422181
No. Quit being a little Shit.

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>>53414856
Your whining is funny

>>53422606
No. Still 10.

>>53422965

Right on.

>>53421103
You take that back. Bulldogs 4 life

>>53414900
>Adeptus Buzz Astrates
>Chapter Name: Space Rangers
>Battlecry: To Infinity and Beyond!
>Speciality: Jump Packs/Flight

And on this day, traitor legions had put down their weapons. They may have worshiped dark gods of Chaos, but nothing could make them shoot the hero of the favorite movie of their youth.

>>53414770
Why wouldn't they plan the process to be one they could also use on current Space Marines? I mean, it would be pretty stupid to not be able to give your most experienced soldiers every possible advantage, and they're already in peak physical condition and proven loyal by this point.

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>>53422718
>he made them from scratch in a few years in his basement
Whoever was using their account to write that should be fucking fired on the spot.

>>53423757

grow a sense of humor

>>53421867

better than you sad fucks

>>53421103

nah man original termies are the tits.

>>53422344
>Guys, it's new models for Marines,
It's new army

>>53423770
Then why you aren't going back?

>>53419363
>mormur annolux is chapter master of the space custos

>>53414856
>new fluff is stupid
>but old fluff isn't
Hahaha lol are we talking about the 40k setting? Because it was always stupid.

>>53414856
The old fluff was never "good" as much as it was just more entertaining and ripped off much better source material.

>>53422582
Normally, there are mechanics in place to avoid the "napoleonic" feel that 40k has.

>>drumbeat MOVE
>>AIM
>>FIRE!!!
>>CHAAAAAARGE!!!

That's an ancient mechanic

Bolt action has a bag with tokens from both armies that you pull from to find out who activates next.

Guild Ball has alternative activations. I move a mini, then you move a mini.

Infinity has the ARO reaction system to keep the reactive player in the game.

>>53419363
I actually did this one, fluffed up a Star Rangers chapter. They were Ultramarines successors and mostly codex adherent, fleet based, response chapter.

Buzz Lightyear lead first company, Rocket Crockett lead a fast attack oriented company. Their chapter master had an artificer cyber-leg with a plasma cannon in it.

The cartoon was a good source of fluff and characters.

>>53421060
>>53421135
>>53421437
>>53421103
Gravis is the new Artificer armor.

We haven't seen primaris termis yet.

>>53423844
Did you read "Primaris" somewhere on the Indexes? Because I didn't

>>53424257
I would be OK with units activations, but as long as you play all your army on your turn, being able to go twice in a row is absurdly powerful

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>>53414900
After Primaris Buzz lost his arm and realised he wasn't actually capable of flying, He went mad and started attending tea parties with the sisters of battle.

>>53424715
Epic had a good system. Army has an initiative rating, each turn you roll for who gets to decide whether or not to go first. Then you alternate activating formations, and they have to pass a leadership roll as well otherwise they can only do a basic action. If they pass, you give them orders

>>53425693
This.

It's almost a meme how every single specialist game has a better rule system than 40k.

>>53417753
nice try redshirt

>>53426035
The epic Armageddon rules are amazing. Very fluid and fun. Feels fast paced and tactical. Maneuvering matters a lot. Planning and positioning matter a lot.

It's nice to see 40k move that way with simple hitting and wounding procedure like the new strength and toughness chart, but yeah. The turn sequence always bothered me. One player doing everything and then the other player doing everything never made sense to me.

>>53414770

Box artwork is hilarious! My sides thank you, OP!

>CAPTAIN FONZIE

>>53421505
Best balanced game on the market. Solid models, if a bit fiddly. Thought provoking game play.

It's pretty much he opposite of beer and pretzels though. Playing in a day long tournament leaves you fried.

>>53424698
Maybe because they are not yet released, and "index" books are for models in production?

I think Primarii will be added to a new SM codex or will get their own one.

>>53424766
Now do a Deamon Princess of Slaanesh Mrs. Nesbit.