Pathfinder General /pfg/

Making a dedicated magic-item crafting character since my DM OK'd leadership so long as my cohort stays the hell off the battlefield.

Class is 3.5's Artificer, so the basic item creation feats are covered.

What feats, aside from UMD/spellcraft boosters and Cooperative Crafting, are worth taking for such a character?

All PF 1PP is on the table, and I can definitely give 3PP a run past the GM if it's worth considering.

Repostan

My friend, who has GMed before but not Pathfinder, has decided that he wants to GM a game of Mythic Pathfinder.

I have tried to tell him this is a bad idea as someone who has GMed regular pathfinder before, but he isn't listening and thinks he can do it.

What should I expect? Are there any more... concrete examples than "Balancing encounters will make you want to murder yourself" of the problems here?

Alternatively, what class could I use to THATGUY the game in as comical of a way as possible?

>>53400187
Just Skill Focus and those kinds of check boosters, and that's about it.

>>53400153
>What goes into finding a character portrait for you?
As long as it looks like my character, or I can build a character out of it, I'm happy.

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>>53400153
It needs to look masculine and not trappy.

>>53400201
Just play a typical mythic vital striker, some kind of Fighter. Your friend sounds like the sort of guy who goes online, reads a tier list, and starts shitting about broken 9th level casters without actually knowing what makes them good or how to break them.

>>53400201
>Alternatively, what class could I use to THATGUY the game in as comical of a way as possible?
Wizard is always the first to come to mind, especially Enchantment or Conjuration specialist.

Sadly I know next to nothing about Mythic, however if you wanna see what a crazy encount is without mythic, just look at the stats for the Wendigo and try to wonder how to legit defeat it in a straight up fight

>>53400232
This, but not too bulgy. It's hard to find a guy who's masculine and looks like an adult but isn't a grizzled bearded meat-mountain.

Sometimes I just want to play a normal-looking dude.

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In case some Anons missed it yesterday, but Paizo put out some details on the Soldier Iconic.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lju2?Meet-the-Iconics-Obozaya

Fairly typical Fighter background, but I'm sure there are people out there who are going to go wild over the brain slugs.

>>53396025
>>53396103
PLS RESPOND

>>53400153
I have to want to fuck him.

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>>53400153
Checking weeb art sites until I find something I like.

Like pic related, which I'm going to use for my PotD app who may or may not be a team mom christmas cake.

>>53400250
I think it's more that he decided he wanted to run a campaign about Demigods, read the description of Mythic after playing a level 1 campaign I GMed, and decided this was the ticket. I don't think he truly understands how broken Pathfinder gets later on. He's also decided that he wants to run the combat tests with another friend while learning how to run games in the system.

I am developing something of a desire to educate him the hard way.

>>53400153
It has to look good and give me an idea.
The latter more so than the former, really.

>>53400250
>Your friend sounds like the sort of guy who goes online, reads a tier list, and starts shitting about broken 9th level casters
Where in the flying fuck did you even get that from?

>>53400299
I want Obazaya to femdom me while we're both high on brain slugs and careening through the universe at the speed of light

>>53400153
>What goes into finding a character portrait for you?
Looking through my stash of unused character inspiration pictures and picking one that speaks to me.

Anything I should know about making either a Sorcerer or a Wizard in Pathfinder?
I'm looking to make a Half-Orc spell-slinger of some sort and those are the two I'm most likely to play.

Game takes place in Numeria, this character is going to be a former slave who in his childhood was forced to explore the riskier parts of the space-craft. Eventually the group came across an artifact that did something like fuse them with alien DNA or something.
He was lucky and managed to hold onto his sense of self, and int the process the machine awakened his dormant magical talent.

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>>53400299
>tfw you will never cuddle with Obo after a long and hard day of fighting against the catfolk barbarians of Vesk-6
W H Y ?

>M. Kawase has applied to ensoulment
How retarded is this going to get?

>>53400479
Oh, this will get worse before it gets better.

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>>53400438
With that backstory you're looking for being a Nanite Bloodline Sorcerer, meaning you're going to specialize in Transmutation. Now, because you're a Sorc, you either need to MC+PrC unto a more combat oriented class to make the most of the spell choice, or you're going to mosly be using the more utility based transmutations to solve out-of-combat problems with your spells.

Sadly, I personally don't have much experience with Sorcs, so I can't help you anyfurther. Can another anon come in and provide more advice?

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You know, I'm pretty sure I over-thought this, but I think I have an idea to make Brain-in-a-Jar Anon's idea work easily.

Skip if playing Vesk:
>Parent's sent to a Colony world
>It sucks
>Vesk show up, all war-like and ready to blow stuff up
>Colony does not like people who sent them there
>Colony instantly 'gives up', forcing the Vesk to put money in and make the place work
>Colonists allowed to join Vesk military

Now for the real thing:
>Joins Vesk military
>Gets blown up, probably by something dumb
>In attempt to cover it, thank you politics, the megacorp hired to handle things offers him a sweet body at an expensive yet reduced rate so they can write the whole incident off
>Accepts, Universe weeps

>>53400550
Transmutation is one of the two god-tier schools. He should have absolutely no issues in combat with a decent selection of buffs, debuffs, and BFCs.

>>53400479
That's really up to protag and if he wants to give kawase a place at the table.

>>53400580
So basically Robocop/Deus Ex?
Whoever asked for this?

>>53400479
What is wrong with Kawase (as a player)?

>>53400550
I was actually thinking of going Draconic Bloodline. I know that there are space dragons and in that one of the many supplemental books that there is a way to personalize your draconic bloodline stuff.

Maybe I'd say that this machine had a tissue sample from one of these space dragons. or just go strait up alien with the Aberrant Bloodline. Or some other spacey bloodline.
I want to go for a more organic bloodline.

I can't believe Taveena is gone.

F

>>53400778
What

>>53400735
Like I mentioned, it's someone who wants to play as a brain in a jar with an awesome robot body. I think this is the most lore friendly way to do it.

>>53400778
F

I'm confused. A Flambard can be used as a Bastard Sword if you're not proficient with it? But a Bastard Sword is exotic too, except a Bastard Sword can be wielded as a martial weapon if you two-hand it?

If you're proficient in a Bastard Sword, can you wield a Flambard as a one-handed weapon? If you're proficient in both, do you get the sundering bonus with a Flambard wielded one-handed?

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Why are there no obyr—sorry, qlippoths, who teach mortals to be free of sin, thereby liberating the Abyss from the taint of the tanar—sorry, demons?

"Qlippoth who teaches virtue and altruism" seems like an appropriate character for a gonzo Abyssal game such as Dimensional Ark Abyssia.

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>>53400804
>TWO feats for a sundering bonus
AAAAAAAH

>>53400804
Yes.
If you're proficient with BS but not Flambards, it's a 1hand BS.
If you're proficient with it, it's a 1hand BS with a sunder bonus.
If you're proficient with neither, it's a 2hand BS.

>>53400816

Don't qlippoths hate all life, because it reminds them of how awful and revolting their own existence is?

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>>53400769
>Or some other spacey bloodline.
Starsoul? Its kinda cool, plus the arcana is a godsend for Evocation Blaster builds. Or if you wanna focus on instead bringing out his own magical potential, you could grab the Orc Bloodline. If not, Abberant is still a fine choice, or you could even Crossblood anything with Arcane to grab a Brute Familiar who can make better use of your Transmutations

>>53400790
I was making a reference silly, sorry

>>53400816
Because Qlippoth are beings of pure cosmic CE, even more so than Demons. Destruction and Corruption is at the very core of their nature, and they have no faith in the weak will of sapient mortals to actually be useful in eliminating demons.
Also fuck you and your trap bullshit

>>53400816
That was actually what I was going to use one for.
A deranged wizard and one of them created an entire empire of tieflings in a grand experiment to see if they could create life without the ability to sin. It worked, but too well.
Most of them aren't destructive or evil, and have an unusual understanding of druidic magic and shamanism.

>>53400868
That looks like it's meant to pastiche Disgaea portraits!

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>>53400864

Qlippoths hate demons and mortals primarily. Demons, for occupying the Abyss, and mortals, for spawning demons via sin.

>>53400880

Qlippoths also want their home back. If they just kill mortals, who knows how many more demons will spawn in the Abyss? That simply will not do.

Better to teach the mortals to be free of sin and kill them only then.

>>53400328
Dude, just make her a legitimate mom.

>>53400580
>but I think I have an idea to make Brain-in-a-Jar Anon's idea work easily.
I'm here! I'm here and I'm loving that idea! I'll totally be putting this on the ole backburner while we wait for more rules on creating characters.

>>53400208
But why? Crafting DCs are trivial, all you need is ranks in Spellcraft and you can make pretty much anything you want by taking 10.

>>53400880
Any suggestions on spells to pick up or general advice?
You all have been really helpful so far.

>>53400929
Cool. I was just in line at the store and it wouldn't get out of my head. Hopefully you'll find a campaign to enjoy it in!

>>53400880
Sorry I didn't get it

>>53400915
But she was too focused on her career to settle down. Besides, I think she couldn't leave to adventure if she had a little one to still take care of and raise.

>>53400778
>>53400786
>>53400797
>They left the discord

Oh, damn.

>>53400909
>If they just kill mortals, who knows how many more demons will spawn in the Abyss?
That's why qlippoth want to not only kill all mortality so as to dry the well, but also destroy all heir souls, or otherwise lock the Abyss away from the rest of the planes.

Also they want to kill the Daemons too for creating the Demons in the first place.

And remember, most Qlippoth are barely even sapient to begin with, so very few would even know how to teach mortals. Combined with the fact of thir cosmic nature of beings of pure abbysal taint as stated in>>53400880, te idea of them trying to do something completely impossible such as teaching all mortals to be free of sin, which is completely impossible for mortals due to all of them having free will, and antithetical for Qlippoth to attempt to do because of their Chaotic nature. Honestly, the onle race of fiends that would even attempt to force mortals to live without sin would be the Devils, and only because that was the whole reason behind Asmo going on his autsim-fit

Also your pic is not what a Motherless or Wlippoth would even look like at all! Its more of a Pitborn than anything else.

Also your taste is shit and get your shitty traps and the poor justification for them out of here

>>53400986
Yes, because people can't keep their mouths shut about DON'T LEAK THINGS OUT OF THE DISCORD NUMBNUTS

>>53400975
The Pilgrimage isn't adventure, it's duty. She'd know she was going to die for a long, long time.

But, man. I love the thought of an older, possibly middle-aged career woman. Maybe make her 40, possibly 45?

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So, Event Horizon style scenarios are go with Starfinder. How do you think a Viral outbreak would be handled? Perhaps a research group of Mystics and scientist trying to find biological immortality unwitingly creates super organisms out of some viral strain picked up from space somewhere and the virus got out when the Lich CEOs got wind of it and wanted it shut down or the research under their control.

>>53401012
Taveena had said a number of things about the errata in these threads with her trip on, too.

>>53400974
https://youtu.be/CXpuRIZzJog

>>53400955
For Cantrips, always get Presdigitation. Also, what spells you're going to grab depends heavily again on what Bloodline you pick. However, by the time you get 3rd level spells you should have at least 1 reliable damage/combat spell, and 1 reliable movement/utlity spell

>>53401042
Tav wanted feedback in order to keep her mind from going numb from being the only sane individual working on errata. Bossman didn't like that and told her to stop, then took a hit out on her, just to be safe

>>53401015
I don't think I could do 45, but she is officially a cake at 26. And yeah, adventure might have been the wrong word, though you might tell a child that anyways.

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>>53401056
F

>>53401068
>but she is officially a cake at 26
That doesn't feel like "career woman" is what I'm just saying, you'd give up on seeing a woman get married if she was still single, still devoted to her career, and in her late 30s early 40s.

>>53401082
Well then, I guess she won't be a career woman then.

>>53401032

Sounds about right.

>>53401082
Anon, most people settled down a lot earlier than 26 before the mid 1900's. Being single at that age due to focusing on your career in a society that isn't that far along the demographic transition is basically a "career woman"

>>53401082
It certainly feels like a "career woman" to me.

>>53401032
In a bid to reclaim her deityhood, Lamashtu started up her own megacorporation, Rain Poncho Inc,. Focusing on mostly basic drugs, she does fund a few, outside, groups to come up with things. Some times, those things break out.

Through several proxies, the PCs have been hired to clear it out, unaware that they are also being evaluated for Lamashtu's future plans.

>>53400328
>>53400975
So you're attempting to make Franze?
>Older Woman
>Used Goods
>Acts Motherly
>Focused on her Career

>>53401170
Who said anything about used goods?

>>53401189
>virgin christmas cake
Good. As it should be.

>>53401155

Oh boy, I can see that.

>PCs hired to inspect an outpost owned and operated by Rain Poncho.
>The outpost has been silent and word has only reached back as a smuggling outfit has launched a complaint about the silence and wanting due compensation
>PCs land to discover BOWs have taken over the station and a new life form has formed wanted to excape and spread
>One of the PCs gets infected but soon treated with a vaccine
>Rain Poncho executives evaluate trying to capture the PC for further study

>>53401170
Why are you so focused on shitting on this one anon? What did they ever do to you?

>>53401170

Nobody cares about your shitty donut steel ERP avatar

Get this celebrityshit outta here

Okay, assuming Feat Tax rules in place, what feats are necessary for a Monk to take that that wants to focus on Grappling, aside from Grabbing/Kraken Style

>>53401207
Yup.

TPKs result in the next group fighting your mutated remains.

>>53401445
Is there a "not being a monk" feat? That'd top my list.

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>>53401475
>>53401445
I forgot to mention that its for a UC Monk. Sorry, I figured that'd be a given.

Have a punchgirl as an apology for my lack of details

>>53401445
Are you an Unchained Monk? Because that's important.

>>53401445
you want improved grapple, greater grapple, and throat slicer.

chokeslam people and break their necks.

>>53401487
Yes

>>53401492
According to Feat Tax rules (scroll down to the comments) Improved Grapple got rolled up unto Unarmed

>>53401506
ah, sorry. the other suggestions still hold water, though.

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Playing a Gunsmoke Mystic in an upcoming pathfinder game - going for maximum crunch.

Anyone have any tips on where to begin? I'm just dipping my feet into Path of War and Path of War extended.

Basically, any source goes as long as it isn't something super unknown and jank.

I've been playing with the weapon creation rules a little bit, seeing what I could make with it, since gnomes have a master tinker alternate racial trait which lends you proficiency with any weapon you could make, so far I've considered;
A 2-handed exotic melee weapon that deals 1d2 slashing damage (1 small), 18/20 x3 "Crit-fisher"
A 2-handed exotic melee weapon that deals 2d6 piercing damage (1d10 small), 18/20 x2 "Extra-greatsword"
A 2-handed exotic ranged weapon that deals 2d6 bashing damage with a range of 110 feet, x2, "Boulder tosser"
Is there any other silly weapon design's I haven't thought of? Probably something involving the spring-loaded feature, perhaps.

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>>53401615
there's some neat stuff in Villain Codex that I have here in pic related. you may also want to look at some of legendary games' books. Treasury of the Machine is a particularly good resource if your world has the tech level for it, as there's both high tech and modern equipment in there.

Past those resource suggestions, a couple things; remember that there was recently some nerfs to the way ranged combat works, so you'll need to enchant specialty ammunition for various purposes when you don't want to fire the basic bullets created by your anima.

Also, lean heavily on Solar Wind and Elemental Flux maneuvers for your damage. Tempest Gale is good, but it's all about control, and lacks damage.

If you can find a way to consistently have Named Bullet cast, do so. Automatic criticals are insane with guns, and you want to make as much use of that fact as humanly possible. Preferably on called shots.

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Does Erastil allow females to act as clergy.

Starfinder is a mistake and will sink the company.

>>53401526
>>53401492
Man, Throat slicer is pretty OP
Combined with Greater Grapple, and possibly Crane Riposte, and you essentially just pull one of these numbers
https://youtu.be/OlnBvrV8IW4

>>53401737
Yes.

>>53401737
No, only as breeders

>>53401737
I can't wait for Erastil's alignment to be changed to CE because he's a misogynist.

>>53401782
I hope it does.

>>53401812
G for lyfe

>>53401734
Bless you anon. It's a start.

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>>53401737
As long as they also can provide for their family just as well as they can the community, I don't see why not.

Every village needs the wise-woman who knows her herbs, helps the younger couples with their relationship problems, watch the villiage kids when their folks have to go to market, and take a switch to the troublemakers behinds.

>>53401809
tumblr pls go and stay go. You're breaking your granny's heart

Why does everything hurt.

>>53401854
Because you haven't killed yourself yet

>>53401845
>Every village needs the wise-woman who knows her herbs, helps the younger couples with their relationship problems, watch the villiage kids when their folks have to go to market, and take a switch to the troublemakers behinds.

Anon... Sandpoint has that woman.

She's not an Erastilian, she's a Pharasman.

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Character died. Making a new one for Reign of Winter Campaign. About level 9ish.

Any suggestions?

>>53401891
A wizard. You're officially out of sucktown so you can go hog-wild.

>>53401891
>Any suggestions?

Level 9... You're in the Caves, or are you somewhere else?

>>53401891
What's the rest of your party look like?

>>53401872
We weren't talking about Sandpoint anon, we were talking about in general.

Besides, Erastil and Pharasma only slightly overlap, in that Pharasmins are only concerned with midwife work, healing, and undertaking, whereas Erastil is concerned about addressing the needs of the community, the family, and frontier/agricultural settlements. Saying "X has this instead" is a non argument.

Or are you saying that Erastil doesn't actually do anything at all to work his portfolio because "muh pharasmins"?

>>53401975
>Or are you saying that Erastil doesn't actually do anything at all to work his portfolio because "muh pharasmins"?

If a Goddess of Revolutions can steal half of Erastil's profile, I think Pharasma has a shot!

>>53402011
Milani is a hoe!

>>53402043
I want to put Milani in the family way, and NEVER call her!

>>53402055
And now anon is a hoe!

Ya'll degenerate muthafuckas need Erastil

How often are /pfg/ games adventure paths? I wanted to play Reign of Winter or Iron Gods with you guys.

>>53402118
I'd say they're APs 45% of the time.

>>53402134
Have they run one of those recently?

>>53401734
>recently some nerfs
No, ranged combat never let you use your +x from your weapon to determine the +x of your ammo. People just misread the rules then got butthurt when they were told they were wrong.

I mean, I agree that it's a dumb thing, but when nothing changed rules-side that's not a nerf.

>>53402169
I wish!

>>53402169
Nope.

Someone tried to start IG a week or two ago, but left after /PFG/ caught wind of their asinine character creation rules.

>>53402169
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77293/ironfang-invasion-aventure-path

>>53402191
To be fair, those rules were amazingly asinine.

Anyone got any suggestions for making a deathless master build that doesn't suck balls?

Best I can come up with is using the orc fighters FCB to have fuckloads of negative hp

>>53402218
I'm still really curious about why he chose his particular bans. It wasn't targeted at power level, and I don't think it was all flavour bans, so I dunno if it was all preferences or if there was a pattern I missed.

>>53402211
Not super interested in signing up for an unreviewed AP, or a roll20 normie game.

>>53402237
Someone called Halae asked him about a random archetype and why it wasn't allowed, and it basically just boiled down to flavor, so it seems the vast majority of what he decided to disallow was based on personal preference.

>>53402248
>or a roll20 normie game.

What's wrong with normies? Some of my best friends are normies.

>>53402293
>Halae
The same fuckface responsible for Mouse. And wouldn't you know it, Julia was meant for that Iron Gods game.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53276827/#53281691

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What kind of campaign would your PC run if they started to DM for the rest of the party? Did they want to run or did they get pushed into it because nobody else would? What are the other PCs playing?

>>53402327
You've really got a hateboner over Mouse, man.

>>53402310
>friends

REEEEEE NORMIE GET OUT

GET OFF MY BOARD

>>53402327
Are you the same idiot that was spouting like you were rabid about her?

>>53402328
Probably a pretty cozy game set in his homeland of the Linnorm Kings, focused on... guess what, slaying linnorms, saving maidens, and having a good time.

>>53402327
who?

>>53402327
Did you seriously hunt through archives just to find an image so you could bitch harder about a player?

>>53402339
No, I'm the original guy who went on the long-posts rant about how Mouse was a complete waste of potential and insensitive to the subject matter. Hopefully the author said they would try to fix it o actually make the character have a personality and character, so I"m waiting for that

Though there is the potential that>>53402327
might just be that one /pol/lack who kept getting triggered about "muh keks background" who deserves to be shot

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Guys I'm hyped on like a bunch of energy drinks and I need to direct this energy towards something.

Give me ideas for a Starfinder setting, I'm open to ridiculous but I want something you think sounds really heckin' cool.

>>53402405
Star fox and macross

>>53402404
Halae added a personality blurb to Mouse's app, if that's what you're looking for.

>>53402429
I'll have to look at it then to see if its any good now

would it break anything to give the Bloodrager a bloodline feat at 3rd level

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WHY
ARE ALL
THE RECRUITING GAMES
SO
SO
SHITTYYYYYYYYYYY?

whats the list of all the current recruiting campaigns

>>53402456
Nah

>>53402461
I like demonlands

>>53402468
Demonlands seems to be more philosophical than adventure.

Wait, isn't the second feat in the Kraken Style chain a trap option?

>>53402488
Ensoulment is the philosophical one. Though demonlands has that "but it *is* a suicide mission, right?" feel.

>>53402461
I wish I had applied for Mighty Quest. The greentext makes it seem interesting

>>53402461
What's your problem with them? Ironfang suffers from being an untried AP, but I like the chargen. Demonlands has weird chargen but it looks like it's being handled nicely to me. My only complaint about Ensoulment is that the DM being so easy going worries me.

They don't seem any worse than the last batch of games to me.

>>53402532
I'll take these ones over the joke that was Overlewd.

>>53402495
Its more options in a grapple, along with more damage. Does not seem like a trap, and did not feel like one when I used it on my sumotori

>>53402405
A solar system where the dead corpses of ancient, planet-sized space leviathans have been colonized. The system is at peace, or at least as peaceful as a solar system-spanning civilization composed of several distinct nations, organizations, and cultures can be. But then some asshole necromancer comes along and figures that if he wants to cross the barrier separating this reality from a higher plane of existence, he needs to animate the carapace skeleton of one of those leviathans because he managed to learn that they came from that higher plane of existence and died because they were stranded in this lesser level of existence.

>>53402532
>They don't seem any worse than the last batch of games to me.

Don't put too much stock to what I'm saying, just the complaints of a guy who doesn't like the current smell of the seasonal brew.

>>53402405
S O L A R

T A R R A S Q U E

>>53402575
It's not like I'm a DM or invested into any of the games but I think it's worthwhile to have a discussion about your issues even if they're strictly opinion.

It's a good topic, between being about games on a level beyond who wants to fuck who and possibly giving info for aspiring DMs to work with.

Come on anon, tell us what's bugging you about them. Are the premises just boring to you?

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How scared would your character be if they saw a gongorinan coming after them from 120 feet away?

Snippety snappity.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/qlippoth/qlippoth-gongorinan

>>53402595
>Are the premises just boring to you?

Yes! They're standard level 3 campaigns with fairly "eh" stories that lend themselves more to solid, grounded characters than something fantastical!

It's boring, very boring. I'm the guy who's been bitching and moaning about wanting a proper high-level campaign and these are just more of the same.

>>53402612
My character doesn't have the perception modifier needed to see one of those 120ft away.

>>53402619
I've been wanting a high powered game for so long. Would it kill some of these GMs to start at 8th or something? I'd run one myself but I'm already doing that with some non-pfg friends

>>53402619
DAA is still supposedly around, if you want to take a chance on it

>>53402619
>I'm the guy who's been bitching and moaning about wanting a proper high-level campaign and these are just more of the same.
So put your money where your mouth is and run your own game. Show us how much fun a proper high-level campaign would be.

>>53402619

I'm gonna be real here: I've been thirsting for things that are more conventional and less "Lewd Anime badasses fight and fuck".

This is a good time for me.

>>53402651
The problem is that pathfinder isn't very fun once the party approaches 10th level, as combat becomes a game of nuclear arsenals. Whoever attacks first, wins.

>>53402656
I'd need to find a partner.

>>53402666
Agreed, it's just too little too late, you know? But that's just me complaining, I hope you have fun!

>>53402651
>Would it kill some of these GMs to start at 8th or something?

The worst part is any argument of balance falls apart when you consider the game collapses around level 15 without DM supervision, and to go from level 9-15 is like... A year.

How many /pfg/ campaigns have lasted a year?

>What goes into finding a character portrait for you?

Well, the most difficult part is finding one with the the exact anal circumference.

>>53402699
>The problem is that pathfinder isn't very fun once the party approaches 10th level, as combat becomes a game of nuclear arsenals.

... Really? Because the last two campaigns I've been in that reached level 12+ were still incredibly fun for combat.

>>53402699
PF isn't designed for PC vs PC combat.
Most bestiary monsters are meatshields with lower damage, to counteract PCs who are fragile with high damage.

>>53402699
>The problem is that pathfinder isn't very fun once the party approaches 10th level, as combat becomes a game of nuclear arsenals.

You're thinking of PvP or DHB-tier optimization.

>>53402699
Depends on how optimized the party is, really.
Most enemies do not have 1 shot kill methods unless they are built like pcs.

>>53402726
>>53402742
pvpmind

>>53402724
That's probably because you're not playing with a party that's optimized to the 9's and a GM who sends out monsters based off of a CR randomizer and no precepts of how strong y'all are.

>>53402726
>tfw Paizo are too shit to take a note from monster vault scaling

>>53402612
>THAT CRAB HAS A KNIFE!

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>>53402705
>to go from level 9-15 is like... A year
>RotJR's pace

>>53402699
One could argue level 10 combat is more fun because of the options used by GM and PCs. You will almost never find one hit kills used by general enemies past level 1 to 3, and most of those are just x4 crit weapons.

>>53402705

And why is it too little, too late exactly?

I get what you're saying: We're the ERP anime game general now. Both Ensoulment and Pilgrimage have very little interest.

But why aren't you exactly promoting or applying, then?

All you're doing is bitching and tearing these games down.

>>53402705
You can always try for the solo slot, and there's a thread there for folks looking for app partners too!

>>53402792
Shit son, RotJR pace would be 3 years. I'm talking the "lightning brisk" pace of LoBaF or Blingmaker.

>>53402705
I've been in a game two years and we've only done 1-10

>>53402817
>3 years
Isn't that a little optimistic considering they're still level 3?

>>53402705
My standard campaigns that last a year usually get to level 20 about 8 months in. Of course we play weekly and sometimes biweekly since we are what you call, losers.

>>53402839
The GM is slowing initial leveling to account for the fact the AP expected them to start at level 1.

>>53402839
Well, it's taken them 5 months to get to the point where they could advance a level, right? So crunching the numbers and assuming like 30% of the time it's getting delayed I'm getting 3 years.

>>53402866
>Of course we play weekly and sometimes biweekly since we are what you call, losers.
These games are weekly and sometimes even all-week too!

>>53402771
>you're not playing with a party that's optimized to the 9's
I actually was in a game whose feel was basically ruined because full casters showed up later in the game.
I will never not be salty about it.

>>53402878
>was
Did it already die?

>>53402877
Are they text or voice

>>53402926
Text, because the people here can't stand conversation?

>>53402705
>I'd need to find a partner.

I'm sure there'd be plenty of people for you to apply with! Who are you?

has anyone uploaded bestiary 6 yet?

>>53403016
Ages ago

>>53403019
which trove is it in?

I've combed through the pdf upload directory thingy and have yet to find it.

>>53403035
it's in the core line of Trove 1

>>53402903
This game happened several years ago, and the DM had to cut it because the day of the last session, his wife literally broke water.
The DM, however, already told me that he intends on bringing it back to resolve the last great battle before us. My only grib is that the remaining players are the 2 casters, myself, and my bro.
And no, the game did not implode on itself, because the DM doesn't take it so seriously he freaks out when casters do their thing or feels the need to "compete/challenge" players, the feel was different.
Before the casters showed up, the party was an unchained monk, a 3.5 crusader, a 3.5 warblade, and 2 paladins, from levels 1-10. We got by on using a host of skills, being gutsy and being creative. We hired priests when dealing with undead to yell litanies at them while we smashed faces, we kept a hired ne'er do well to do our trap hunting when we plumbed forbidding haunts, engaged in diplomatics with city leaders to gain their support and led armies out to take on the various major threats in the land.
I really enjoyed how much we accomplished with only a smattering of magical ability in a game that assumes someone WILL have it, especially in all the situations where I though, damn, if we had a caster, we could do X so much easier, but we went and got shit done anyway.
>I'll bring up how the DM also had a low wealth situation going on up until level 6, so we used homegrown alchemy for a lot of shit

How much of your character sheet do you prefer to have finished for an app? Are you the kind of person who enjoys building enough to complete sheets that might never see play, or do you just have enough done to show what you're getting at?

>>53400816
>>53400909
Where is this from and is it a boy?

>>53403101
If your sheet isn't complete, you should not have applied at all.
This includes backstory blurb and cliffnotes about where you would like to take the character in terms of strengths of plot.

>>53402958
Text moves about 100% slower than voice, even more so for combat.

>>53403101
Enough that it's clear what my character does, and how they do it.

For me, fully filling out a character sheet involves spending hours spending my money on all kinds of mundane/alchemical gear, factoring in carrying capacity, purchasing animals, etc.

>>53403101
I always complete my sheet first, and then write the character's backstory.

>>53402958
Not true, they don't mind conversation, it's just harder to really get into an ERP scene with your virgin-slut loli waifu onee-chan, when you can clearly hear a guy on the other end.

>>53403125
Not especially. Voicefags can slow a game down just as easily.

>>53403101
I tend to not do equipment heavily but everything else gets done

>>53403173
Text is inherently slower.

That is undeniable.

>>53403173
Text is slower one hundred percent dude. If you prefer it thats fine, it can have merits (like imagining your waifus as pure) but it will never move a game faster than voice

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>>53402405

Pic related combined with Outlaw Star. Intersteller do anything for any price group who'll take out your trash or assassinate some pesky low key criminals the big crime organizations arn't going to be too miffed with loosing.

>>53403181
I do this. The fine tuning of the sheet usually lies in spending the gp on the non-critical items.

Is there a way to aid another for attack/AC with ranged attacks?

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So session was pretty chill tonight, don't expect tales of battle. But hey, plenty of intrigue!
>Aida runs back to the House of St. Vardishal to tell boss-lady Amina the good news
>The tower gets looted in the meantime
>The rest of the party starts getting their drink on after piling up their unconscious prisoners in some of the tower's gladiator cells.
>The three rogues who refused to fight the PCs--a human man selling alchemy stuff, a human woman selling drugs, and a dwarf selling survival gear--make it known that they'll barter with them
>Andrus and Osman, the rescued Chelish adventurers, chat up Iolanthe a while
>They got a tip from the Pathfinders that there was treasure hidden under the village Temple, but got ambushed by gnolls on the way there
>They don't know where their scout and bard went, assumingly they either got away or were run down and killed
>Meanwhile, everyone at the Monastery is thrilled to hear the mission went so well
>Except Kassim
>He's surprised but seems afraid and rushes off to scout ahead before Aida can stop him
>Back at the Arcade Tower, Iolanthe is shipping Shanan and Wahida the harpy, and shipping *hard*
>Wahida lets it slip that she doesn't understand what a shower is
>Seems surprised that her would-be beau doesn't like the smell of blood
>Everyone's having fun over the misunderstanding when Amina leads the caravan in and spots the gnoll tending bar and the harpy fawning on Shanan
>"What. Are those."

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>>53403301
>The PCs are told very firmly that anything the "monsters" do is on their heads. Wahida is unceremoniously kicked out of the tower, and barred from returning at any time after dark.
>Wahida tells Shanan to visit her at the village tannery sometime
>Haleen starts telling Orlan about how her clan had to sell Gamze to city folk when they were on the brink of starvation
>She's convinced the girl needs to be with her real family, but at least she's softened a bit on Orlan, or "Alien" as she keeps calling him in Kelish
>Orlan sings with Haleen and Aida for a while before he goes to see the caravan's doctor
>It becomes clear the man is not actually a cleric, though he goes on a tirade about how he's still ordained, thank you very much!
>Kassim doesn't return to the caravan until late into the night, hours after he could have reached the tower.
>Iolanthe, who's been drinking with some of the mercenaries, notices he's missing his walking stick.
>Kassim tries to brush her off by saying he burned it
>Iolanthe gently asks him why he would have, Aida straight up calls bullshit
>He starts talking shit about how the PCs moved too fast and he had to make sure nothing happened to Amina.
>I mean, the Caravan. That nothing happened to the Caravan.
>Amina is pleased to hear Kassim's report--the gnoll tribe is disorganized, leaderless, and easy pickings from here on out
>They apparently fear the nearby waterfall, so that's good if the PCs can leverage that somehow
>The ruined fort north of town definitely has nobody living in it. Hasn't had for years.
>Essa literally saw campfires burning out there the night before
>And Aida can tell Kassim smells like gnolls
>When Kassim gets told he's free to stop smiling at Amina and go about his business, Aida tells Amina he was lying
>Amina had told them to secure the village Temple, but this shit isn't going to stand
>New plan: Kill anything they find in the fort.
>Amina starts chugging a bottle of wine as Aida is seen out.

>>53403161
That just makes this worse, games here being text because people want to play their kawaii uguu.

So /pfg/, I need some advice.

I'm rolling a Saurian Shaman archetype Druid in a new Pathfinder game. The DM had us roll for stats, so my array is 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17 (I can also reroll all of these once, but I'm not sure if I want to risk losing these stats).

I'm pretty torn on my character's concept/build. On one hand, I can focus on summoning dinosaurs and battlefield control by being a caster Druid with an animal companion. On the other, I could focus more on being a melee fighter by shapeshifting into a big ol' dino. There's also maybe hybridizing a little?

I'm not sure which I should do, everything sounds appealing. Could someone weigh in on this please? Outside opinions would be nice to hear.

>>53403173
Never. This is a blatant lie.

I've been in three voiced campaigns with total randos from Roll20. All of them started at level 1-3, all of them ended around level 16, and all of them ran between 9 months to 1.5 years.

Every text game I've been in, for comparison, had spent 3-6 months on the first level before dying due to fatigue.

>>53403200
>>53403225
Oh, from a raw time optimization standpoint, text loses to voice speed-wise, no doubt. But "can" is, very very often, not what actually translates into reality.

>>53403363
Good for you. I've attempted to play in multiple voice games that collapsed due to the participants preferring to turn it into a hangout rather than actually play.

>>53403301
>>53403323

The plot thickens.

>>53403386
Sounds like a problem with the players, not a problem with the method of gaming.

>>53403348
Summoning is almost always a more powerful option in exchange for it being a fucking pain to run the game for.
Do the melee, spare the DM and players the time it takes to manage your summons.
>>53403386
You are complaining about players bantering during a game?
Really? Have you ever played a irl game?
Further, it's up to the DM to coral the game when players get sidetracked.

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>>53402405

>The Bone Sages of Eox are concerned with an immergent power within the criminal and corporate underworld known as the 10 Dead Kings.
>It is said that these individuals are various, anonymous individuals who have influence in various industries both legit and illegal and are most known for their secret meetings where the individuals meet with black hoods and intricate noose tied around their necks and around their bodies.
>During various raids upon such meeting pulling the hood away from the person instantly resulted in their death and the person underneath the hood was found to be an average citizen with voices and mannerisms not at all in keeping with the person portrayed while the hood is on.
>The Hood and rope are found to contain and unknown but powerful necromantic spell and apparently would take someone of considerable talent and magical power to make.

>>53403371
So like how people say monks are a bad class, but in actual play they end up good right

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>>53403363
>>53403386
>voicefag vs textfag bullshit again

It's 100% on the people involved, regardless of medium, to keep the game running smoothly. Shitty people will turn everything into a slog and make things miserable, but if you find a good group then pacing will come naturally with time. Your personal experiences do not mean that the method you use is superior, just that you prefer your chosen style of play and have put in the effort to find people who you fit with.
TL;DR we've run in a circle of arguments again, next up is either screeching about Good Necromancy not being a thing, or something related to "GIB LOGS NOW"

>>53403301
>>53403323
So is anybody banging yet?
Is Shanan going to baste and stuff the bird?

>>53403501
They are serviceable with high PB and all the extra stuff paizo released. Lots of neat tricks.

>>53403534
GIB LOGS NOW

>>53403386
Same, the voice games I'm in often devolve into 3 hours of jokes. Text maybe slower but people are more focused.

>>53403534
Good Necromancy is totally a thing, but I can't post the logs that prove it

>>53403534
Good necromancy can't exist if its specifically about raising the dead. It can exist if its something else, since necromancy spells are very varied.

The act of raising dead however is an act of evil, even if its done with good intentions. Even if you raise the bodies of animals, it damages their soul, and many undead in one place can create spontanious dead, and those create holes in reality to let the worst of undeath to come

>>53403561
>3 hours of jokes
You lucky sod. I had to deal with an entire session of politics last time I was in a voiced game.

>>53403371
On one hand, with text you don't have to worry about accidentally talking over other people or play the "you go first - no you go first" game that remote voice can be.

On the other, it's harder to tell if the others are giving it their full attention, and you can run into the opposite problem with everyone waiting on someone else, thinking the other person is typing.

>>53403561
This is my experience too. I mostly play in voice games if not meat games, and I prefer text just because it's easier to get into a serious tone. I have confidence in my voice and acting but no confidence in my ability to keep myself focused.

>>53403501
>a white silhouette of a fish on a black background next to a silhouette of a hook, declaring said hook to be an object used to lure one into a trap by means of an enticing consumable

>>53403576
Not this again, those aren't guaranteed to happen every time because magic is weird.

>>53403578
Man, if it were normal jokes, it would be nice. But it was just sexual harassment directed at a poor girl who just started getting into roll20. It's why I don't do voice anymore.

>>53403593
Yeah, okay, that's actually worse than political circlejerking.

>>53403587
Don't forget it's fucking hard to tell tone immediately from text

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>>53403501
Base monk is shit and requires high PB, and needs you to use certain archetypes and/or high levels of optimization to actually play it properly. Unchained Monk is functional, but still suffers without either crazy high PB and/or easy access to Deadly Agility.

>>53403576
The joke about "Good Necromancers" is that it depends massively on what the setting is and how the fluff actually handles it. The default for PF/D&D settings is typically "Undead-related necromancy is full evil because X, Y, and Z things are true. Full stop".

>>53403588
>no confidence in my ability to keep myself focused.
Why isn't the DM keeping you on track?

>>53403588
>easier to get into a serious tone
How? I find myself nearly unable to focus or get in the right tone or mindset if it's text. I do my best playing when I'm actively involved in the conversation and nuance of discussion and interaction. Plus it's easier to convey meaning through tone and other nonverbal cues

>>53403587
The whole waiting to speak is still very much a thing for text if not worse. I often caught myself waiting for the message "[User] is typing" to go away before posting my next message.
Some players are a real bitch about too, stop-and-type that took 5 minutes getting their words out keeping everyone waiting.

>>53403677
Probably because I do a lot of writing as a job but I find it easier to get immersed when I read and write. It is also easier to put my imagination into writing than speech.
Beside, my voice sounds like a dinosaur guzzling gasoline so that can be a real turnoff.

>>53401170
>>53401189
I'd like to use Franze's goods

>>53403650
Because the DM is only human, and we're not getting distracted by 20 minutes of joking, we're getting distracted because every 5 minutes there'll be some quip we need to take a moment to compose ourselves after.

>>53403677
Text play is just writing, as long as I'm paying attention I can check my own dialogue and edit if any blocks pop up that'd change what I'm doing. It also avoids the sometimes awkward issues between separating speech, actions, and OOC comments.

Sometimes when another player is taking a long time to respond I'll type up some large silly thing to do in a notepad and copy paste it as a joke.

>>53403714
I'm the opposite. I can talk, describe, lecture, and act for days, and I learn and immerse best when I'm actively involved. Yet I'm a slow typist and can't write for shit without several gallons of water and Prog Rock pumping through me. Plus there's something nice about spending time playing make-believe with your buds and getting really into it

>>53403796
>every 5 minutes there'll be some quip we need to take a moment to compose ourselves after.
>Hey guys, cut the wisecracks and stay focused
>>53403807
This.
I can do both easily, but I understand some people simply can't.
The way I see it, the GM calls it, players can deal with it or cut.

>>53402070
>>53402043
Milani isn't a hoe! She and Iomedae are pure maidens and excellent friends!

>>53403161
Isn't the only teenaged girl in Blingmaker a huge slut? Hardly virgin waifu material.

>>53403862
Branwen's exceptionally greedy and evil, but when was she a huge slut?

>>53403889
Hell if I know, Anons here keep talking about the campaign like it's some ERP party. I figure the busty witch is probably a slut, right?

Text is superior to Voice because you can play terrible, loud music while you play by text, AND the other players won't hear how much you've been drinking in your voice as long as you're good at drunktyping, which is hella easy.

>>53403917
So which night club back alley do you play pathfinder from?

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>>53403796
That sounds less like playing and more like writing a novel or taking notes in class. Also it's not hard to transition to OoC as long as you know how to actually engage in conversation and can just go "hold up guys, Out of Character"

Playing by text just barely feels like you're playing with others, and more like you're mimicking play at a computer screen. And I'll tell you one thing, I got sick of that shit quickly during my middle school days on the fanfiction.net RP forums

>>53403845
Keep wishing and someday you'll be a real boy, pinnochio

>>53403927
Alley behind Great Expectations. Owner was havin' a giggle.

>>53403936
A reminder in brackets is usually just something you read and move on from. If you need to transition into OOC everyone needs to take a pause, the advantage of structure in voice play IC is exactly what holds it up when you need to clarify something. I'm probably going to wait for my turn before I ask any questions I have during combat with voice, but I can just slide a few lines in while someone else is taking theirs in text.

In regards to how much players actually interact with each other, that's always going to be strictly a group by group basis.

The real big advantage of text is being able to trivially send a message to just one person while not worrying about it.

Has Demonlands been utterly cucked by Flower court?

>>53404033
Not exactly...Flower Court's chargen rules are much more lenient than Demonlands. Regardless, we still have about a month for both games.

>>53403845
Milani is a kleptomaniac who steals socks and underwear from Cayden and Erastil, and enjoys causing civic unrest.

Iomedae is a prideful and lonely little girl way in over her head, and would rather lash out and hurt others than admit she needs help. What she needs is a good steady who can anchor her, support her, and get her to open her heart to others.

I vote for Sarenrae, that girl is both fiery and gentle enough to tame anyone. Anyone else have any ideas for a date for Iomedae? Maybe reignite the flame with Apsu?

>>53404076
Iomede had a thing with Apsu? Do tell!

>>53404112
Her herald is apparently their kid. Kinda wonder how much alimony he has pay and what the custody agreement is

>>53404112
>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Peace_Through_Vigilance
>Peace through Vigilance is a unique celestial gold dragon in the service of the goddess Iomedae.
>He refers to his patron goddess as "Mother Iomedae", which has created the rumor that he is the offspring of Iomedae and the dragon god Apsu.

>>53404171
>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Hand_of_the_Inheritor

The Hand of the Inheritor is her Herald.

Peace Through Vigilance is merely one of her Divine Servants.

>>53404180
>His name is literally Peace Through Vigilance

Wow Iomedae's fucking garbage at names.

>>53404206
He's a smug dragon that's also a celestial being.

He almost certainly named himself to try and impress mommy.

>>53401485
No UC monk, you'll want tetori because otherwise grappling has too many hard counters to be viable.

>>53404213
>"what are you drawing dear"
>"It's my OC momma! He's me, but as the coolest, smartest, and bestest of your servants, though of course you're even more best!"
>Iomedae puts the crayon drawing on the fridge

>>53404280
If I don't see a crayon drawing pasted up somewhere during my WotR campaign, I'm gonna be very put out.

So, Plant Blessing polearm Warpriest. What are prime feats for such a build if Feat Taxes are in place?

>>53404450

Combat reflexes and Improved Trip.

How and why was Arazni turned evil by a dude who's the same class and level as her and doesn't have Mythic ranks?

So how are the Flower Court apps looking, anyone built teams yet?

>>53404464
She was dead. He resurrected her, making her Evil because she was raised as an undead creature with one of those Always Evil metaphysical qualities.

Now she bullies the shit out of him because he isn't stronger than her, but he "made her Evil" because she was dead as fuck when he found her, so he could have his way with the body all he wanted.

>>53404475
We've got over a month leeeeeeeeft! Stoooooop iiiiiiiiiiiit.

What kind of backstory works better for a tiefling slayer with student of philosophy trait coming from a semi-nomadic culture from the steppes?

>>53404500
Cultural Exchange/ Political Prisoner Swap.

Mix and match who gave you the Tiefling genes to your hearts content.

How many generations removed should a character be from an infernal duke, lesser demon lord, or daemon harbinger before being acceptable as a character? 5? 10? 25? 50?

Dear pfg,
When you begin to build a character to apply with for a game, what do you start with? Specifically what's the trigger mechanism that makes you wanna play a certain character in a setting? The spark of your creativity? The cornerstone of your character.

>>53404558
A contradiction.

Two distinct and important facets which don't fit together. Then I make them fit.

>>53404547
10 to 25 is good for a character to be a tiefling or even just a human with infernal characterists, 50 is too much and it might as well just be like 'yeah one of my ancestors MIGHT have been ghengis khan' 5 is too soon because you might still have templates at 5

>>53404475
Itsuko's background mentions a brother, so there's something at least.

>>53404558
95% of the time it's a build. I start from there, and build the character around it. The other 5%, the setting gives me a character idea and I make the build around it, then flesh out the character.

>>53404558
Sounds lame, but I usually have inspiration hit me at random times.

Occasionally, I do want to try something broad, like an Entertainer, and stuff just starts falling into place.

>>53404558
A story. It usually ends up as a facet of their backstory, their life, the things that make them who they are, but it's always a little snippet, some conflict, struggle, or encounter.

>A man driven to madness by fear, paranoia, and dark magic succumbs to monstrosity and nearly destroys the only thing he loves

That seed became an ultimately accepted app.

>>53404558
I almost always build backwards from what I want to do mechanically, shamelessly so. I think it shows since I've only ever been picked up when I started character first, but I can't help myself even if it kills my odds.

>>53401782
I disagree.

Space Ameiko aside, most of the Iconics and class notes we've gotten have been decent. We've already got campaigns lined up here, everything from Star Fox to Outlaw Star and the eventual Star Fox versus Outlaw Star, featuring GGG.

It might get to the point where we tell people to ignore the Pathfinder clases and just play the ported Starfinder ones

At what point is a GM going to ham and is just trying to kill you. We're level 6 and traveling over some snowy mountains. As best as I can tell we're being perused by a Werebat Ice Troll. It also has some other template, but I don't know what, and some class levels. I'm pretty sure the class levels are bloodrager (Elemental Ice bloodline maybe?). In any event it's like CR 9-11 but it feels like we're out of fucking hope because it's not fighting fair. At no point is it coming for a real fight. It flies in, lands, tries to grab someone, and fucks off the second it thinks its in danger.

We managed to down it once, but didn't know it was a troll, so it just stitched itself back together and came back.

It doesn't want to fight, it wants to separate us and pick off who ever it separates.

>>53404819
Giving your DM the benefit of the doubt, maybe your DM is trying to soft-railroad you into his plot? Or maybe to get you use more brain in fighting.
Pessimistically, DM is probably just burnt out and going for a TPK to end the campaign.
At the end of the day, DM can just say rock fall, you die. At least yours is putting in the effort. You can always try telling him it is boring and sort out your problem.

>>53404863
Basically what has been happening is small towns have been terrorized by something, we're now pretty much convinced that this troll is what has been doing it. We're now trying to make it over the mountain to a big town on the other side to seek safety. However we already had to find a new route because it caused an avalanche. We're in a snow storm so just flying isn't really an option (plus our wizard doesn't have enough spell slots).

>>53404888
Then it may be a soft railroad. You probably are supposed to find some sort of clues or even finish the subplot of killing the troll before the DM lets you advance.

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Well, finally finished the preparations. Here's hoping you guys like my idea for a campaign, it's a pet project of mine I've been working on for some time and finally decided to turn it into something.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77201/essentia-forgotten-home

In a gist, it's a floating island with a weak anti-magic aura. Big political drama split up the nation, and now we have religious freaks vs tech freaks vs angry nobles and traditionalists slapping each other and trying to put their own values above others.

Hope it's not too much of a read, and I'll stick around for questions if anyone has any.

>>53405007
At a glance? Sounds cool. I'll give it a read and see what I come up with.

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>>53405007
>Path of War not allowed
>Spheres of Might not allowed

Why do you hate martials, you fucking casterfag?

I'M GOING TO USE GRANBLUE ART AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME.

>>53405058
>All ARCANE full-casters are forbidden
Really makes you think.

>>53405078
>everyone plays a cleric or druid

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>>53405007
>All traits, unless they state otherwise, have a -2 to all saves vs spells, spell-like affects and similar, to represent the weakened resistance in people's mind against magic over the years.

Oh shit, doesn't this mean everyone should chuck around save-or-loses?

>>53405058
The spheres* weren't permitted from inexperience, not because I find them imbalanced, I just haven't had the time to look into it as a system on it's own yet. Potentially might open them up at least.

I've had bad experiences with PoW and don't particularly like the style of changes it introduces to martial combat, and am pretty firm about sticking to not allowing it.

>>53405087
Sure. The method of winning combat isn't entirely important, and combat won't be the focus of the campaign anyhow, but it is worth mentioning that one of the three factions are particularly resistant against spells, and employ mage-hunters aplenty.

>>53405007
>weak anti-magic
>Its low arcane magic 1pp

aand dropped

>>53405119
>I've had bad experiences with PoW and don't particularly like the style of changes it introduces to martial combat

You mean you hate martials and don't want them doing cool things.

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>>53405119
>combat won't be the focus of the campaign anyhow
Why aren't you allowing Path of War then? It's not like combat's going to be the focus, eh?

You're just dicking over martials for no reason.

Should I trust my GM when he tolds us that the "Midboss" bad guy is reported to be killed "off-camera"?

>>53400479
>bringing in discord shit again
>app isn't even bad (afaik none of his apps were actually bad)
>literally obsessed
Do you know the bogeyman in real life or some shit nigger?

>>53405176
Calm down buddy.

I know you're used to level 3 starting gestalt only PoW games where you fire ICBMs at anything that moves, but come now. Don't throw a fit because someone wants to do something you don't like.

So my players know they are fighting a literal master of disguise. He has now been with the party for two sessions, having taken the place as an NPC, and none of them have thought to make sure that the guy doesn't impersonate people relatively close to them. I don't know man.

>>53402808
>Both Ensoulment and Pilgrimage have very little interest

>>53405176
Not a focus, but a part it still is. I feel like PoW brings in too much specific power, and would like to encourage other, non-DSP martial based classes to be viewed at in my game as well.

It is also good to note that arcane casters have their own limitations, and a generally bad reputation in the world.

I have nothing against martials, I just dislike DSP content so far. I'll likely give Spheres of Might a look sometime this week.

>>53405241
>I feel like PoW brings in too much specific power
"Martials shouldn't be good at fighting."

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>>53405241
>It is also good to note that arcane casters have their own limitations, and a generally bad reputation in the world.

What if I'm an alchemist? A psionicist? One of those psychic guys?

Oh shit, I could be a psychic, couldn't I?

>>53405259
I personally agree with the guy. Martials need something. PoW is not that something. Besides a good portion of initiators aren't Martials, just spell casters worth a different name. Supernatural disciplines outnumber non supernatural. Same reason the UC monk is edging out of pure martial into a non casting hybrid.

>>53405274
Considering that stuff like Ki is literally just Asian mana?

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>>53405274
>Besides a good portion of initiators aren't Martials, just spell casters worth a different name.
FUCK YOU

>>53400479
>How retarded is this going to get?
Well, let's take a look...

>Age: Older than you. Kneel.
Probably pretty retarded, yeah.

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>>53405267
2/3rds psionics is allowed, yes. Both are seen as equal to the use of magic.
>>53405274
This is also one of my concerns, PoW is very "magical", and would be much more difficult to define in the world.
>>53405283
Ki is in a bit of a weird spot in my mind as well, not exactly sure how i'll handle it ingame, but they aren't outright banned. (Yet?)

>>53405301
what the fuck?

>>53405301
Reminder to report and ignore shitposting

>>53405303
If you want such a low magic setting have you considered using another system? Not being ironic.

>>53405313
The campaign will only begin low magic. It fits very well into the "heroic fantasy" archetype that Pathfinder strives to accomplish. Only, it will probably have a much more gritty/dark tone, and a lot of political drama. The exact direction will be dependent on the party, as I tend to DM in a very player-centric way, rather than telling a specified story.

>>53405313
The issues people have with Low Magic in pathfinder are usually it turning out to be 'Low magic for the party and nobody else' or them expecting the party to face threats that the game assumes you'll have magic items for.

If the DM is adjusting things properly And I will concede there is a fair amount of adjusting to do, since CR stops being flimsy and starts being completely useless then I don't see a reason it wouldn't work.

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>>53405303
>2/3rds psionics is allowed, yes.

And what about PSYCHICS? Psychics, not psionics.

>>53405301
>Haven't even started falling off the board yet
You're scum.

>>53405367
If you're talking about the occult classes, then they still have to follow the 2/3 caster maximum as per arcane casters. Only Divine casters are an exception to this.

>>53405296
>Heroic Flaws: Hyperēphania
Come on mate, it's on purpose.

>>53400479
Who is Kawase and why should I care?

>>53405400
The latest Discord boogeyman.

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I want to put together a Polymath Investigator that is Basically Sherlock. What with extracts, maneuvers, and talents to choose from (including alchemist discoveries, and unchained rogue talents), there are a lot of things to fine tune with this character, and a ton of options. What are some essential features that a Polymath Investigator should have when emulating the detective?

>>53405454
>essential features
Get an item that lets you Contact Other Plane
Sherlock is less a deductionist and more someone who knew the answer from the start

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>>53405454
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>>53405454
Do you know what Sherlock doesn't do? Fight people. Reconsider your class choice.

>>53405521
Investigators don't do that either until level 4.

>>53405544
kek

>>53405549
he's not wrong.

>>53405600
He's only wrong because being an initiator allows you to kill anything you desire.

>>53405624
Eh, polymaths really only have Primal Fury

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If a Fighter takes a dip in Barbarian and is wearing Mithral Fullplate will he his Fast Movement work?

>>53405662
"A barbarian’s land speed is faster than the norm for her race by +10 feet. This benefit applies only when he is wearing no armor, light armor, or medium armor, and not carrying a heavy load. Apply this bonus before modifying the barbarian’s speed because of any load carried or armor worn. This bonus stacks with any other bonuses to the barbarian’s land speed."

"Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light."

yes.

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>>53405676
Thank you.

>>53405463
Fucking lol. Yeah, this concept is definitely more based on adapting characteristics to how they practically apply in the game. "Basically Sherlock" means INT-based features, widely knowledgeable with areas of expertise, keenly observant, trained in alchemy, proficient in martial arts.

>>53405521
He is reported to be proficient in singlestick, boxing, wrestling, and fencing, and has impressive physical strength. Sounds like a bit of a Sue, tbf. Anyway, if that's an aspect I'm emphasizing for practical purposes, then I'll do that, but Sherlock was perfectly capable of fighting. He just didn't, you know, punch Orcs.

>>53405637
Could always take Unorthodox Method trait if there's something worth switching out. In any case, what sets Primal Fury apart from Solar Wind and Steel Serpent?

>>53405814
Primal Fury is good

I'm just gonna accept that I'm retarded and ask here.

I'm playing an Avowed and I want to take the Empowered Spell-Like Ability feat. How does it work with my aether pulse? What is considered a "variable, numeric effect" of the SLA?

>>53405847
Whenever something says roll xdx.

>>53405847
damage dice, yo.

Does the Magic Missile spam build from 3.5e still work in PF?

>>53405873
describe said spam

>>53405873
Twinned, Repeat, and Triplet Magic are gone o no.

>>53405845
Go on.

>>53405873
No

>>53405891
Primal fury is good, steel serpent isn't, and solar flare is ranged which investigators suck at

>>53405881
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Magic_Missile_Stormer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

>>53405886
Yeah I noticed, there's a lot of missing metamagics
What happened to Delay Magic anyway?

So how close to functional is thrown weapon combat with PoW?

>>53405902
It's things like this which are why 3.5 was shit.

>>53405900
That's fair enough, thanks. If one were to switch out one of the two, then, it'd probably be Solar Wind. In that case, which other disciplines would work well? Perhaps Broken Blade would synergize better with Primal Fury?

>>53405928
Not really, that build is one where the buildup is so obvious that the DM can kick its ass easily
Also literally all it really has is Magic Missile so a Wall of Force between them stops it outright.

>>53405933
Don't use broken blade unless you're a faggot

Scarlet throne

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