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>>53369643

>>53369695
this but unironically
>1 IP
hmmm

>>53369643
Excuse me, but what's with that pic?

>>53369759
I could have gone through the effort of changing networks to make it seem like TWO ips but i can't be fucked

What spells should a cleric use/have? What about a mage? From level 1 to 12.

>>53369824
>mage
Wizard you mean? Also a Cleric gets all his spells for free.

>>53369832

Yes, but which would you consider to be the most useful?

>>53369843
read a guide nigga

>>53369843
Prestidigitation
Grease
G. Teleport
Color Spray
Cloudkill
Fly
Invisibility
Wall of Wind / Force / Element
Prismatic Spray
Animate Dead
Dimensional Anchor
Major and Minor Image
Explosive Rune
etc.

>>53370154
solid list

>>53370154
I'd add Glitterdust onto that list, but otherwise this anon has the right of it.

>>53370167
The etc. is to cover shit I'm forgetting
Sepia Snake Sigil, Major Creation, and Contact Other Plane can probably make the list too.

>>53370154
Prismatic Spray is amazing

>>53370154
I'd put Finger of Death and Disintegrate on because of how much damage they can do (generally enough to OHKO any monster of your CR or very close) on a failed save.

>>53369643
Well i'm working on a character that kills people with Dice, so there's that.

>>53370208
t. broodie

>>53370218
Yes and.

>>53370224
wow rude

>>53370228
Remove the R@! C@ meta now!

>>53370197
Disintegrate is also one of the few ways in directly handling a Wall of Force short of a Disjunction. I prep it mostly as a utility option in the event that something manages to really impede the party or force a separation, but it really is quite one of the more damning damaging spells available.

>>53370289
I mean its kind of irrelevant, because Clerics can prep whatever they want.

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>>53370248
What do I have to do to play a good miqo'te scholar in Pathfinder?

>>53370289
>>53370197
Disintegrate also doesn't leave any corpse so Raise Dead doesn't work.

>>53370322
Bakeneko Catfolk of whatever variety you want, some spellcaster shit thats book based I guess go for it

>>53370324
It can also be a little bit of a double-edged sword if something you want is a part of the enemy you need to take down. Disintegrate would be fuckin' amazing to help take down a dragon if you don't mind never getting any of its scales.

>>53370377
Disintegrate is basically the "I'm fucking done" spell. It's good for when you finally lose patience with the team rocket tier assassin who's been stalking you and running away last minute for the past six months.

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>>53370393
Reminds me of when my GM kept sending a regenerating orc skeleton at my team based on Prak Jaws.

We killed that fucker nine times before finally just burying him alive (unalive?) and letting the weight of a mountain keep him from bothering us anymore. That didn't stick, so we ended up having to plane shift him to hell just to get some peace.

>>53370433
>weight of a mountain
So Son Goku?

>>53369776
Well, you see, the girl in question is one of five magical entities known as the Intoners, who seem to be harbingers and love, peace, and order on the surface, but are in fact merely simulacrums created by an entity known as the Black Flower, made in the image of the woman who called it into this world, a literal whore/murderhobo with no morals named Rose.

Drag-on Dragoon 3 tracks Rose - now known as Zero - on her journey to kill all of her so-called "Sisters" in an attempt to atone for the sin of enabling the flower to manifest in this world. As only a dragon can kill them, she enlists the aid of Mikhail, a white dragon whom she intends to have kill her once all is said and done. Along the way, she discovers her "siblings"'s various neurosis - in Four's case, as the OP pic shows, she doesn't view elves as people, and sees them as an acceptable target for her rampant sadism.

On her journey, she's joined by the boy-toys she steals away from her sisters, as well as a time traveling Android named Accord who is there to find a timeline where Humanity doesn't go extinct. Accord ties in with the Android's from Nier: Automata, as she is from the future of that game, and shares the androids' wish to see Humanity alive and thriving once more (as she is an Android herself).

>>53370471
>she's joined by the boy-toys she steals away from her sisters
based slut

>>53370471
Outstanding.

>Nier talk
How strong is it to have a floating book familiar that just gives free flanking? And has phylactery stats and a snarky mouth?

>>53370810
Sounds more like an Intelligent Item

>>53370810
If you grab a parrot or crow, they can do it. Then you just need a way to grant them reach, and they can fly around the battlefield providing flank bonuses for you and your party.

What races make more sense to appear in a notRussia/Muscovy setting campaign?

>>53370184
I want to prismatic spray all over your face!

>>53370471
How would you make an Intoner in Pathfinder?

>>53370958
Changelings, Hags, Hobgoblin T*rks that insist they're humans and Hobgoblin Khanates that know better.

>>53371138
DMPC

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Are zippers a thing in Golarion?

>>53371152

What about the traditional playable races such as elves and dwarves, would they make sense in any role?

>>53371266
No but belt buckles are so go ahead for maximum Final Fantasy.
Or Kingdom Hearts.
...now I kind of want to try and stay a Keyblade.

>>53371266
Unlikely but you could probably Major Creation them and fiat it away as having 22 INT.

>>53371266

Why do you want to make the life of craftsmen more miserable than they already are?

>>53370471
Zero > 2B

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>>53371266
Zippers weren't invented until 1893, when the world was really starting to pick up industrialization.

If zippers are a thing in Golarion, they're only in Alkenstar, where they have the factories and industrial base for it.

>>53371508
Why is Alkenstar best PF nation?

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>>53371312
After a massive FF14 and 11 binge, I almost forgot the prevalence of zippers and belts in some of the later games.

That said, I would totally play a cheesy Kingdom Hearts inspired campaign.

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Who else is going to make a robot for Starfinder?

>>53371508
>>53371523
I still kind of hate how all these nations are on the same planet
You know I guess it kind of fits the lore in a twisted way, but Golarion isn't a prison - it's a trash can.

>>53371277
Not really, they're more of a Swedish thing I thought?

>>53371508
I want to get hogtied by that Cowgirl!

>>53371598
>Golarion isn't a prison, it's a trash can

That explains just about everything related to the setting's SocJus ways.

>>53371558
Not me! I'm making a human brain-in-a-jar piloting a state of the art body he's still paying the mortgage for! In retrospect, I'm basically making a male Makoto Kusanagi with a different origin story.

Peeps, I have a question about Path of War multiclassing.
I'm about to start as level 3 character, Paladin 2/Zealot 1
I have a Practiced Initiator Trait, increasing my initiator level to 3. And so I have a question. When I take the first level of Zealot, will I take all 5 maneuvers as a 2nd level maneuvers? Or it works other way around?

>>53371312
Look up the Scepter of Ages. It is actually a keyblade.

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>>53371558
>dat bulge
Why?

>question
Only if I can be a loli cowgirl sniper.

Are Elans really supposed to be that good at being a gishy martial?

If you were a Psychic Warrior or some other manifesting martial class, not only are you immune to quite a number of effects that would normally apply if you were a humanoid, you can also use PP with no limit except your power point pool to absorb damage or boost saves

>>53372216
You'd be utterly amazing as a marksman. (Yes. Yes I am quite proud of that pun.)

>>53372216
That's more ninja cowgirl sniper.

>>53372216
What's the point of a cowgirl if she's a loli? That's like wanting a half-giant shota who's already taller, stronger and heavier than the woman who's corrupting him.

>TFW I want to make my Ensoulment character come from the Great Marsh just so I can make one of his languages Marshian

Few meme players seem to be applying to the most recent games.

Was it just that TSS killed them, or are we in an age of dark/light?

Or is this the power of finals week?

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If TSS and ROaB were both bamboozles, what if Ensoulment and Pilgrimage are both bamboozles too?

>>53372460
It's the power of "everyone is in a game".

>>53372470
This is what happens to your characters after they get killed

>>53372460
What do you mean? Disk and Sappy applied.

In the game i'm in, the DM seems to play a little lose with the rules considering what NPCs can do, such as disarming someone in a time-stop to steal a miguffin or just somehow knowing where we are and teleportation to us without any scry or similar ability.

This makes me feel like I'm just along for the ride in the story of some other powerful NPCs, and not really contributing to the outcome of the story.

How do I explain this to him and ask him to change it?

>>53372460
It's the power of being burnt out on the application process for games you don't actually plan on getting in. I'd rather set up plans for a character I actually intend to play, or even one I'm already playing. Especially when I know people interested in experimenting.

>>53372460
Two of them already applied (and will probably get in), and the apps only just started so I don't know why you're counting them out of the fight yet. I bet you they'll get into all of the games again.

>>53372593
If it were me, I'd ask "Are we supposed to be the main characters of this story or not? I sure do not feel that way" and then explain from there

This was not in DnD/PF system, once I left a roleplaying forum exactly because it feels like the players, who were put in place of mooks, with the idea that they eventually rise up to be heroes in their own right, are basically just spectators to all the spectacle that the GMPCs and Moderator PCs get to do. Eventually I left in disgust and the forum rotted away to obscurity

>>53372593
Say it outright.
Now that being said, are you sure he's actually being unreasonable? The baddie doesn't need Scry if the barmaid is in his pocket and has a token that lets her contact him, and Time Stop allowing for disarm should've been in the base game anyway desu

>>53372526
They become nurses that work for a corrupt doctor and then they are lured into a room where a school girl dressed as a cat, a schoolgirl in hers school uniform and their even more corrupted teacher, who is in cahoots with another teacher who makes money by mindbreaking schoolgirls and using them as prostitutes, whereupon the schoolgirl dressed as a cat flanks you and rapes then with a strap on?

>>53372714

Are we talking about PLD

Is this Cashmere

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>>53372714

>>53372395
>tfw I reversed the Quetzlcoaltl situation from Maid Dragon in my campaign
I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. The idea of a big dragon hiding behind buildings out of embarrassment was too much to pass up

>>53372714
baka can we not?

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>Broodie makes a gambler waifu for Demonlands

>someone else makes an uptight jerk that hates gambling

Just remember, Vult feeds on every bamboozle, his power grows.

>>53372643
Play Ensoulment of the Flower Corut, anon! Even if you're rejected your character will still be used!

>>53372980
>Your character gets pulled into something you'll never see, probably played from by the DM, as a minor sideshow compared to the good characters

Wow, its like a Honeypot game.

>>53372996
What's a honeypot game?

>when a manticore girl is ready to chargepounce you but she's already way too turned on for the dominate spell to work right and the dominator is kinda turned on too so she just pretends to trip on the floor

>when the kung fu oni girl named salt in wounds in fact, DOES have enough rock salt on her fists to put people into negatives

>when all the traps go off and they're not lewd AT ALL, except for the one that goes off when stealth is most important and then the smart party member is mostly jealous and anxious

>when you spl@ two r@s @ once

>when your enemy has an ojousama laugh

WotRaunchy in a nutshell

>>53373024
A fake game someone makes to mine for other people's creative characters.

>>53373024
At least 25% - and this is being very optimistic, it's likely far higher than that - of roll20 games and myth-weavers entries are solely about taking others characters and using them elsewhere, whether a different, "real" campaign or even a story.

>>53373051
It blows my mind that Flowers is straight up SAYING its going to take characters. Honestly my brain finds that to be a kind of violation, like fuck no you can't use my character, make your own character.

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>>53373028

>>53373068
>I'm angry someone wants to use my OC Donut Steel even after I give implicit permission

You're like CWC with Sonichu.

>>53373097

DarkDumpster scariest girl

>>53373028
I didnt know Cashmere was making guest appearances!

>>53373068
That's the point of Flowers
In fact I'd say it's one of the biggest draws

>>53373068
>>53373051
Guys, calm down.
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5059241/character-rules-tone-and-other-special-things

Last post, you get to play them when they pop up.

>>53373103
I mean I know i'm autistic but I just am not comfortable with it. Its just like, fuck off and get your own shit, ya know? Its put me off from applying at all.

>>53373118
I don't see how thats a draw, lets be real, you'll never know if your character is used or not in reality, and even if they are they won't really be your character because they're going to inevitably played different or altered in some way by the DM

I just don't get the appeal.

>>53373128
That just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

>>53373068
Flowers is literally the Mercy game
Protag is saying "oh no you didn't get accepted! But don't panic, because I'll let you play anyway!"

>>53373110
2hu is already making a guest appearance as Cashmere last time I heard.

>>53373132
>I don't see how thats a draw
Because you're the one playing them?

>>53373153
This sounds like a living world tier disaster

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>>53373138
>>53373153
>>53373165
Who's going to be the first person to try to suicide-bomb the main party during their guest appearance?

Who's going to be the first to try to Dominate Person the cutest qt3.14 in the main party?

>>53373138
I can already see it:
>Somebody "doesn't want to leave"
>They "put in a strong performance so one more couldn't hurt"

>>53373197
>3 months in its someone's turn to play

>they probably don't even REMEMBER their character anymore

>>53373211
Or plot derailments, like the infamous HV rape that crashed its first group

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What race and class should she be?

>>53373226
>Or plot derailments, like the infamous HV rape that crashed its first group
storytime?

>>53373197
Watch someone make a character whose personality makes them go from NG to NE upon public rejection and starts spamming Wail of the Banshee in the capital

>>53373243
Its been told before

Some shit was playing a Lamashtu worshipping vigilante thing

After first session they had a side-session with the GM, in which they raped the swordknight and murdered one of their kids

This player then never showed up to another session, and put the entire plot in a weird place where the party was trying to hunt down the rapist and people stopped showing up and it was a disaster that lead to it bringing in a new crop

>>53373277
Literally autistic screeching

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>>53373277
A good idea. Stock up on high CL scrolls of Gate and shit like that, then go to town with UMD.
Gate in a balor or something like that.

>>53373305
Very lethal screeching.

>>53373277
>Wail of the Banshee
How can somebody get that at level 3?

>>53373471
PRESUMABLY THE CAMPAIGN WON'T BE AT LEVEL 3 FOREVER

>>53373154

WHAT

>>53373471
Okay, it's not him but his big sister who's a level 35 Mythic Archmagus with the ability to summon the King in Yellow and all four horsemen at will

>>53373569
If this guy has a lesser deity for a sister why is the princess not just writing a bible about her

>>53373479
Presumably all rejected applicants are level-locked at 3 to try and prevent shenanigans.

Do I scrap my idea for one game and try to work the build/basics into another, /pfg/? I'm kinda at a dead end creatively.

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>>53373605
A level 8 scroll is 3,000 gp.

Do it! Cast that one level 8 scroll with UMD!

Let us list the reasons the most recent crop of games sucks

TSS: Rory

PotD: Autism

Ironfang: Bamboozle

EoFC: Honeypot/Suicide Bomber

>>53373605
>get pulled into campaign at level 3
>average enemy is so strong it can kill you with hardly a thought

S-sasuga.

>>53373659
Whats wrong with pilgrimage?

>>53373659
How is Ironfang a bamboozle?

>>53372980
>don't plan on getting in our playing anyway, just want memes
>but dude just play the game you're automatically in for!

But that's stupid. If all I want is memes, why would I touch a game like that? I use these applications as prompts to try to flesh out ideas past merely being wads of numbers. The memes are a second draw, but I don't tend to wind up in the spotlight because I try to stick to shit I want to play, which usually means things that the thread doesn't obsess over.

>>53373619

Are you the one with the dojo punchgirl?

Pilgrimage gm here. Pm me, we'll talk. I'm at work, but I can at least communicate at a faster pace than via thread.

Just woke up and saw that people are misunderstanding my intentions with the "everyone gets in" clause again.

Once again, I mean that Players who weren't accepted but still proposed reasonable and interesting characters may be, if they are OK with it (I understand that many won't be, as the scheduling would be awkward and many likely wont like the idea of using there character for less than a full campaign), invited to participate in the campaign for a session or short arc.

Of course, we would plan their involvement together prior to this cameo. If you want to play with the part for a session because they are in your homeland or they are fighting for a cause your character feels exceptionally strongly about, that's good. If you want to kill the party, that sounds fun too, so long as I am aware of it and we plan this scenario in advance.

And if you get invested in the campaign after the cameo and want to keep going, I'm fine with you still contributing to downtime or doing stuff between session that doesn't require Roll20. The limiter here is that I don't want an adventuring party of more than 6 people on Roll20.

If this idea sounds stupid to you, just don't opt in for it. Your character will not be puppeted as a NPC unless you specifically ask me to do so.

I'm just doing this because I know how invested one can get into characters, and the sudden impact of uselessness they have after the app process ends is rather disheartening. If I can keep a few cared-for character's "alive" through a little extra work in few session here and there, I'd be happy.

Thanks, and here's the link for those who haven't seen it. The above is of course a relatively small part of the game anyway.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77814/ensoulment-of-the-flower-court

Wow that was a lot of typos, I shouldn't post so soon after waking up.

>>53373686
Based Protagonist

Might as well post a link to my game, too.

New week, new thread. Don't be shy, apply!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77276/pilgrimage-to-the-demonlands

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>>53373783
Can I still be Colette?

>>53373686
>they lie to you

>>53373814
>actually wanting to be Colette

absolute madman.

>>53373814

Sure why not, I don't really know what that entails though.

Never played Tales games.

>>53373848
>8 Int, 5 Wis

>>53373817
What do you mean? Who and for what purpose?

>>53373848
what I know
she is supposed to be sacrificed during the game

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>>53373890

Despite the accusations of autism, I have no problem with a thematically appropriate BRAIN PROBLEMS character

>>53373479
Name two pfg campaigns that have made it past level 3.

>>53373973
Dragons 1 and Dragons 2.

Checkmate.

>>53373965
God I fucking hated this bitch she was the worst part of that trainwreck of a show and was absolutely worthless, she's even at traitor, worst girl, shoko a shit, fucking awful.

>>53373991
She won the election, too bad she didn't win the erection

>>53373983
That's because SwimmingEagle is playing fast and loose with experience.

RotJR has been going on for half a year and they haven't even got a level.

>>53374045
>RotJR has been going on for half a year and they haven't even got a level.
Are you for real? God damn.

>>53373965
As someone with autism, you people have a weird concept of the autism spectrum.

>>53374045
Seriously? I'd kill myself.

>>53373973
WWW just cracked level 4.

>>53374054
>>53374071
Campaign has been going on since what, the end of January? And they're only just now finishing Book 1, out of 7.

This is why I fucking despise text based campaigns, they're snail-paced.

>>53374045
This is why I always get mad when you fucks talk about "oh b-but my build will click by level 6, then I'll be able to actually carry my own weight". Get your shit to work as early as the starting level, or at least level 3. You can't count on these things being remotely paced how you think they would.

>>53374102
That sounds more like a problem with the GM than text based

What the fuck why would it STILL be level 3

>>53374109
>tfw Investigator.

>>53374135
Exactly. Same with all those Ordained Defenders who said "i'll be the party face, b-but you have to wait until third" in Overlewd.

>>53374102
Only because of terrible GMs who are incapable of proper pacing. You get that issue in voice games as well, but text games have the baggage of amateur writers who insist on dragging scenes out for as long as humanly possible with nobody willing to put their foot down.

>>53374152
Investigator is just particularly infamous for not being able to fight for shit until fourth level (fifth if they're ranged)

though Polymath investigators are good regardless.

>>53374276
It happens all the time with people's shitty gimmick builds, not just investigators.

>>53374102
This right here is why I hate it, I HATE IT, when someone scoffs at the idea of a high-powered campaign or worse, says a campaign is high-powered because you "start at level 1, but you're going to be level 20 Mythic 10 by the end!"

Stop lying you filth, these are text based campaigns. You know how long you're going to stay in the golden zone of ability if you start at level 13 Mythic 3? Maybe a year, before things get retarded. Don't even get me started on the level 1 people, going from low to high is literally a component of the game, to say nothing of how that will be 3 years of agonizing crawling.

>>53374304
I love those people because they're smug annoying memesters who boast about their unstoppable prowess once they hit level 7, but for the next 4 levels they're kicking and screaming at how much things hurt for them.

>>53374102
To be fair, book 1 out of 7. I doubt anyone expected to level at a remotely decent pace here, when I don't think they're supposed to be 4 until the tail end of their book 2.

>>53374102
I blame having 6 players. Nobody wants to leave people behind, to the point that there's always waiting on someone to say something when you should really just advance the plot forward. Doubly so if you have that one person who just NEEDS to get in-depth questions and answers about every single thing.

>t. Person whose first ttrpg game ever was in the realm of 8 players

>>53374342
Aye, two years in a PbP campaign, gotten from level 1 to level 4. Still enjoyable because inter party banter is great, though.

>>53374357
Honestly if a build doesn't come online by level 5 I just refuse to play it.

>>53373973
PLD is level 4

>>53374342
Why not just use Fast experience speed instead of Medium?

>>53374410
Why not just use milestones and toss them out like candy?

>>53374410
Why not stop pretending that games below level 4 are enjoyable and viable?

>>53374410
Fast Experience doesn't help because you're dealing with a situation where XP is scarce to begin with, it only means you'll be waiting 2 years to get to a high level instead of 3.

>>53374428
Milestones are literally the only way to play

Experience is just a meme.

>>53374391
Yeah, this is a big part of it. Plus the simple fact that, well, people have lives--some sessions just can't go that long because someone has an exam coming up, somebody got called away to a meeting, or someone got sick.

Though one gripe I do have is that I'm getting pretty pissed at IRC as a format considering that it's impossible to tell when someone's just typing up a long message and when everyone's just waiting for the GM to advance things.

>>53374057
On 4chan, Autism is another meaningless phrase like Thicc. It once had a meaning, but now its so divorced from its original meaning that it now means "overcomplicated and stupid in an unaware manner"

>>53374439
I'm just getting angry at campaigns that start at single digit levels in general, I'm fucking tired of making yet another level 3 loser for a campaign that will die before level 6, BUT SEE IT IS OKAY BECAUSE IF WE STARTED AT LEVEL 13 THE GAME WOULD BREAK DOWN WHEN WE HIT LEVEL 17 THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

>>53374357
I like builds that have little jumps at certain levels. 3 is when a build should at minimum be functional. 5 Is when your gimmick should start to really show itself. 7 is when you should be able to expand the gimmick without having to wait and fill in holes in the core concept.

Pathfinder, save for stuff like 2HF smasher gishes, don't follow this pattern very well, and that frustrates me immensely.

>>53374462
IRC and out-of-session Roleplay feels like an excuse for the DM to continue doing a shitty job at balancing roleplay, combat and experience.

>players take 4 months to complete book 1 in RotJR
>people complain
>LoBaF looks like it'll complete book 1 in a month and a half
>people complain
What do you people want anyway? It's like you want them to do nothing but still finish the book quickly. Have downtime a and fight at the same time. I don't see how you people would be happy.

>>53374439
I know they can be enjoyable because I have enjoyed them below level 4. Literally nothing you can say can convince I was only have "imitation" fun.

>>53374492
What are you wasting all that time with, cute little beach episodes or three hour sessions at the Rusty Dragon talking about fucking nothing?

>>53374492
>Have downtime a and fight at the same time
Why not?

>>53374471
I know but in the context of the post it had (very slightly) more meaning in terms of a mental disability. Disabilities can be a great way to flesh out a character in a roleplaying game when used properly. They just tend to be made into caricatures and it loses the impact on roleplay that it could've had.

>>53374512
Because if you're fighting it isn't down time.

>>53374529
Because you can't have character development happen in a fight, am I right?

>>53374529
And what is downtime to you? Because to me it's half a session of banter with a plot-critical NPC while PLOT is trickled onto you.

>>53374507
You know, some people enjoy eating shit. I believe that you enjoyed yourself, but you were still eating shit.

>>53374542
That's not what he said.

>>53374554
>badwrongfun
Kill yourself mate.

>>53374542
>he's a "let's have long monologues during combat" faggot
Repeat after me "rounds are 6 seconds long, keep your speech during combat well under that". Sure your character is displayed by how you fight but too many fucking people want to shout "catchphrase" in the middle of it.

Shit man even then that doesn't make combat downtime.

>>53374529
>>53374542
Personally I hate downtime. All character development should be done as part of the adventure proper if the DM and the players are good enough.

>>53374571
>dismissive meme response
Clever.

>>53374585
>personally I hate downtime (opinion)
>...should...(opinion)
>if the DM and players are good enough (being judgemental about the abilities of players and DMs who don't conform to your playstyle)
Nice.

>>53374585

That's how you get murderhobos.

"Lel ebin bantz natural 20 XD"

>>53374585
Which is what LoBaF are doing, and people still complain.

>>53374571
Yes because "you must love eating shit" is a clever response, eh?

>>53374588
They're both dismissive meme responses faggot.

>>53374588
What the fuck is there to not dismiss? Your entire argument is "I don't like playing like that, and if you like something I don't like then I guess you're eating shit!!!!"

>>53374610
Second was meant for >>53374588

>>53374542
No man, that's never happened to me no siree, next you're going to say you can have conversations and character growth during those periods between combat and plot or plot and combat!

How could you say these things? I need to spend twelve sessions developing this deep, complex character I'm making!

Protip: Quantity is not quality even if it sometimes is, insisting you need those downtime sessions to flesh out your character is like saying a movie would've been good if the director was only allowed to bloat it with an extra two hours of screen time.

Even then? We don't care. We don't fucking care. Sure, develop their personality and show them as having dynamism, but you're not writing the next great novel and you're not helping anybody by trying to act like it.

>>53374507
>>53374571
>>53374618

Liking something is not indicative of the quality of that thing. Do not conflate your personal experience with any objective qualities of something. Liking something =/= that something is good.

The opposite is also true. Disliking something =/= that something is bad.

Thanks for the rogue-ish knave advice yesterday, /pfg/! I'll look it over today and write something up.

>>53374517
personally, I think its because its hard for your average person to know and understand how an autistic/aspergers person thinks and is motivated, especially considered its less of a disorder and more of a spectrum. As such, its hard for some people to to know how to properly stat out someone with those issues and how they impact the character, especially since they usually only notice either the more extreme cases found in children, teenagers/young adults, and what the media tells them about it in shit like Big Bong Theory, and don't quite realize that in many of the more milder cases the individuals in question can learn to behave themselves and at least pretend to be normal in the adult world. There's also the fact that Autism also affects different individuals in different ways, and can be incredibly variable based upon the environment in which the individul grows and develops, as well as what kind of support they get to deal with it growing up. And that's if said individual even gets it diagnosed in the first place.

t. an actual asperger, who has spent a lot of time thinking on what exactly my condition entails, and has strived hard to properly understand my own faults and how to adress/correct them to better fit in society, and who has spent a lot of time observing other autists and fearing that had I not diligent in trying to correct my behavior that I could've ended up like one of those stagnant fools

>Newest flowers app is the brown spawn of an actual cucking.

>>53374605
Did you even read the rest of his post? Murderhobo is the result of shitty players or a shitty DM.

>>53374610
It sounds like Blingmaker isn't stopping for downtime when PLOT is available, and from the stories there seems to be plenty of character development.

>>53374668
>tumblr art too

>>53374668
>>53374731
>>>/pol/

Man, the flowers apps are... Pretty painful

>>53374666
So is the EotFC princess actually autistic or is it just memeing?

>>53374645
Ok so inform us about the objective quality of level 1-3 play. Because I'm guessing it's going to come down to "but muh character might die!".

There are things I can agree with about level 1-3 play, including the smaller number of options often make combat less diverse. However it's this same lack of options that force players to tackle complex problems in a more clever manner rather than having a magic solve button as often.

>>53374680
To be fair LoBaF were stuck in a 2 session long combat where they cleared essentially all of book 1.

>>53374742
>>>/reddit/

>>53374753
About half of them are basically placeholders it seems. And most of the rest feel very rushed, so probably polishing is incoming. but otherwise yeah I agree, the competition so far is weak.

So an idea for an app for flower court has caught my fancy.

A faceless enforcer vigilante who is the inheritor of the hereditary position of court executioner. Then taking the Crimson Dreadnought PrC from Legendary Vigilantes.

An executioner is a powerful symbol, particularly one with no face.

>>53374808
>>53374753
What's wrong with them.

>>53374785
>2 session long combat
Christ, do they even get any roleplaying done? Did they hit 4?

>>53374645
But it actually is when it comes to /tg/, that's the entire fucking point of gaming, to have fun. If someone decides to have fun one way then literally who the fuck are you to tell them that that's wrong and they're just unenlightened? Someone post that tripfag's screencap.

>>53374766
We can't say with absolute truth that players will actually be forced to solve complex problems in a clever way. It's entirely possible for them to just encounter unsolvable problems based on party composition and level.

The problems with levels 1 to 3, with the almost random legality aside, are exactly what you described. Characters are built very similarly in order to be effective at this level, with very little deviation either to impracticality or the lack of decision points at these levels. Furthermore, the amount of viable character build options are very small just because players don't have access to the tools needed to make their characters different.

>>53374828
I'm guessing the fact they have basically nothing for their applications beyond a picture and "stuff will be here soon!"

>>53374666
Asperger-san, you're so sensible! I want to give you a smooch!

>>53374742
The kid is LITERALLY a rape cuck baby written entirely around her skin color and Steven Universe tier perkiness.

>>53374851
>We can't say with absolute truth that players will actually be forced to solve complex problems in a clever way. It's entirely possible for them to just encounter unsolvable problems based on party composition and level.
That means garnering outside tools/allies. Not being able to solve everything yourself isn't a bad thing.

>>53374843
What? Are you stupid? You can have all the fun in the world and your fun is legitimate, but that doesn't mean that your game system of choice is well made. Learn to divorce your good experience from the paraphernalia surrounding it

>>53374828
>>53374808

They're just universally weak

granted most of the Demonlands apps aren't much better

>>53374680
>It sounds like Blingmaker isn't stopping for downtime when PLOT is available, and from the stories there seems to be plenty of character development.

What stories have you heard? All I get in my time zone is Kyrasposting.

>>53374757
Hard to say just from the initial write-up. While her lack of being able to connect wth and understand the other people in the court is somewhat indicative, as well as her obsession of textiles and her specific mindset of culture and heroics, without actually seeing any roleplay it is hard to tell for certain. However, from my own experience I'll say that even if she is own (which again is only a maybe at thi point), its at worst a very minor case and she has obviously had a lot of strong support and teaching to mitigate the issues involved and allowed her to channel that capability into being a properly functioning and responsible enough adult who isn't completely disconnected with people and is aware enough to be able to mostly care for herself.

Basically, she's more of the Einstein-Savant kind of aspergers, rather than the non-functional Sheldon Cooper kind of autism. And again this is a big MAYBE since she may not even have it at all, and instead is just a somewhat quirky and artistically driven angel girl.

>>53374862
No thanks, I'm not one for casual fraternization such as that. I'd prefer a nice pat on the shoulder or back

>>53374890
>They're just universally weak
Why are they weak, besides not being made by your Roll20 waifu. Actually explain yourself outside of using flowery words.

>>53374824
How stupid of an idea is this?

>>53374891

Sleep is in it, and so is Cent, so it's bound to be a lewdgame regardless of public stuff.

Those two are confirmed terrible and sexually compatible.

>>53374886
That's highly dependent on the game situation, including the DM himself. If the DM doesn't want you to do that, it isn't happening, and thus it's not a part of the design philosophy of 1 to 3.

>>53374891
It's from the greentexts, mostly Andrik getting torn down from his idealism while discussing what it means to be a hero or even a good person with Viviana, while Franze and Antoinette do stuff about necromancy or their relationship? Not sure about Branwen or Kyras beyond Le Abyss Knight and Huge Tits.

>>53374830
No, DM is keeping them at 3 for the rest of the book.

>>53374926
Any game can be shit depending on your GM. Saying 'if your GM does X the game will be bad' is essentially meaningless.

What do you consider the level 1 through 3 design philosophy.

>>53374910
I'll pat you then, Asperger-san, and stew in my unrequited love until it kills me.

>>53374914
They're just absolutely boring, not a single one interests me with its premise.

granted that might also because the premise of flowers also bores me.

>>53374808
Aye, just finished properly writing up Aeldrannas and his faith.

>>53374925
That tells me nothing. Are you saying you heard stories about lewd couplings?

>we will keep you at level 3
Why don't these GMs actually play systems that are designed for lower powered things?

>>53374997
Because those systems aren't fun to them.

Or maybe because lower power means vastly different things to vastly different people.

>>53374936
>Not sure about Branwen or Kyras beyond Le Abyss Knight and Huge Tits.

I kek'ed. They're probably typefucking on the side. Are their characters frequently alone together for longish periods of time?

>>53374958
The design of levels 1 to 3 is very scarce. During this time the most basic features of a class are acquired, though usually in a highly limited fashion. Most characters of a class will play extremely similar just due to the lack of overall options.

>>53374887
Explainto me how a game system of choice can be poorly made when you're having fun with it. It suits your needs.

>>53375023
A vehicle that gets you to work on time, but gets 5 miles to the gallon and you have to re-inflate the tires in the parking lot is still a car! You may like that car a lot and it does get you to work in a timely manner. But it isn't a good car.

>>53375020
This is honestly why I'd rather start at level 3 and stay there for a while rather than start at 1 and grind up "normally". Those three levels are fucking awful and boring, and everything feels like the same shit. Casters are all samey, martials are all samey. Starting at 3 and staying there means I can fuck around with the early toys of my class and adjust while still having room to grow.

>>53374936
Are those three sets the pairings, then?

>>53375059
Yeah except that example doesn't apply. Want to know why? Because we have a generally agreed-upon definition of 'good car'. Efficiency is a positive. Lack of maintenence is a positive. Neither of those flaws have any upside.
You're literally wrong in saying it isn't a good car because 'good' is a general and undefined term. It is an inefficient car and a maintenence heavy car, but if all you actually give a shit about in your definition of 'good' is it goes fast and it has a top speed of 400 mph, then fuck you, it's a good car.

this is dumb pathfinder was a mistake.

>>53374873
>Steven Universe tier
>he doesn't know that Tumblr now hates SU for "betraying" them
But yeah I agree, this character is pretty shit. Mostly for being a completely boring character that has no actual personality, motivation, or defining traits outside of being a rapebaby. Heck, all we have is just a single sentence listing generic and vague adjectives that mean absolutely nothing on their own other than Paizo-tier "muh individualism!"

Seriously, its just shit. If you're going for a bastard background, at least have the balls to actually make the character decent or interesting in their own right, and not just be a sock puppet for some poorly thought of commentary. Heck, even Alistair from DA:O is more interesting and compelling implementation of this idea than this schlock, and I found him to be annoying and frustrating half of the time. That's because Alistair, unlike this fuck, actually has a damned character and some nuance to him other that "is royal bastard"

Seriously, these kinds of characters have so much potenial for interesting roleplay and interaction, yet it pisses me off to no end that instead of exploring that potential, they're picked up by faggots wanting to score more "speshul" points for their characters in the most tasteless way possible.

>>53375113
This. Holy fuck this. I agree "it's Fun" isn't a good argument, but just leaving it at that helps no one.

To have any meaningful conversation about the quality of a game we would have to talk about what the game in question sets out to do and does it accomplish that.

>>53375147
I liked the disappeared app for Pilgimage desu

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>>53375147
And of course I forget my pic I'm so upset

>>53375141
The funny thing is, everyone here will agree with you, though for many different reasons

>>53375168
>>53375147
Who is Steven Universe and what did he do?

>>53375164
What was it anyway? I missed it.

>>53375168
Oh it's the "hurf durf feggtz git off mai vidyer" guy.

>>53374936
To be fair, it seems pretty clear that the greentexts are being written by a particular player--look for who's getting the most description compared to the others.

In almost every game, nearly all the players will have good lines, character development, and some fun character moments. The thing about greentext summaries is that you tend to lose a lot of that because whoever's writing them won't remember or pick up on most of what happened, unless it's something like the GM going over the chat logs with a fine-toothed comb, and even then it's going to end up getting a bit of a biased perspective.

>>53374914
Not him, but as someone working on an application I'll offer some thoughts.
4 of them appear to be incomplete (Esmero hasn't been started, Derrin looks empty due to the backstory being in the link, Ceraphine and Plat are missing a backstory.)

Of the rest that appear to be complete:
Other offenses range from poorly-written (Felix) to acceptable-but-not-particularly-interesting (Orion) and poorly-chosen art (Julia).
Niccolo, Witch, Annette, and Ichabod are my favorites. Derrin, Aeldrannas, Orion and Petre are also respectable.
In regards to Julia, an obviously bastard daughter of a noble monster hero sounds good to me, but the art is very off-tone and there is no explanation for the clothing in the picture, the mother in the story just kind of disappears and the sorcerous power just manifests out of nowhere.

>>53375187
A cartoon with some catchy songs that got right wing people mad and left-wing tumblr people obsessed with it because it had brown people in it.

From what I understand it's about some weird asexual alien rock people that all look like women and feel romantic feelings and a human/rock person hybrid.

>>53375204
I don't remember much of it either, it just gave me a good impression when I was looking at the apps. iirc the gist of it is that the bastard is technically a valid heir but she gets shut the fuck out and PILGRIM'd because of political butthurt.

>>53375147
Alistair was a little bitch and I bullied him mercilessly. Made him my puppet bitch king, even.

>>53375187
Corrupted young people with his horrid gay agenda and pro-immigration attitude about illegal aliens as well as generally humiliating every white male in existence,

In reality he's a shallow main character of a CN cartoon about lesbian space rocks that is at large mediocre, yet has attracted a large following on tumblr who went out of their way to almost make a fan artist commit suicide for drawing a picture of one of the character thinner than she is.

>>53375231
Really? I heard it was basically DBZ fanfiction with a shitton of estrogen.

>>53375168
>Andrik is the designated Alistair character
>but Kyras is the bastard

What did they mean by this?

>>53375155
>>53375113
Let's qualify it, then. A good game accomplishes what its mission statement is. Pathfinder's mission statement is to emulate heroic fantasy as seen in popular fiction. Most of the options needed to emulate more than the most basic or low-powered fantasy fiction comes along between levels 5 to 10. Before level 3, classes have so few options that trying to match your character to his inspiration is very difficult and after level 10, the game begins to break down mathematically.

>>53375244
Go away pol. No one wants you here.

>>53375222
>clothing
I mean. Looks like pretty generic fantasy adventurer clothes to me.

>>53375164
Never paid much attention to Pilgrim, so I don't know what it was like. Heck, I didn;t even pay much attention to flower until I was intrigued by this comment chain and decided to look for myself to see whether it was just /pol/ being a shit or if it actually was shit.

And I'm sad to say that, unfortunately its a little of both

>>53375187
Current popular cartoon that's airing. /pol/ hates it because it look tumblr af and has lesbian space alien rocks. Tumblr hates it now because the writer keeps pushing the importance of family values, the value of life, and continues to make the more tumblr-like character more imperfect and flawed while also not turning the non-tumblr characters into strawmen but rather giving them realistic characters and motivation. Also it had an episode where a character that was essentially BLM was shown to be wrong and the main character had to stop them, as well as another episode that said that utopias where people don't feel sorrow or want are awful and you should feel bad for wanting them.

The fandom is also insane and rabbid

>>53375251
Well there is a lot of fusion involved from what I understand.

>>53375260
I was making of /pol/, dear anon

>>53374824
I like it as a backstory and its a unique concept. What exactly is the ideal you're going to stand for, though?

>>53375211
>look for who's getting the most description compared to the others

I didn't even think about that. Got links or copies of the posts? I wanna analyze for mischief.

>>53375244
>as generally humiliating every white male in existence
Except the show never humiliated Uncle Andy, and showed that he was really justified for his feelings, and steven has been trusting and listening to his dad more and more than he does even the Gems now.

You sure we saw the same show? OR are you dumb enough to argue about something without having seen it?

>>53375256
>Pathfinder's mission statement is
Ah yes and see here's the fundamental disagreement. I don't care about Pathfinder's mission statement, I care about what I, the DM, or the players want out of Pathfinder. The entire point I'm making isn't that Pathfinder isn't shit at late game or early game. The point I'm making is that it is meaningless to even pretend to qualify what makes a /tg/ game 'good', which is also the logic behind badwrongfun - there are SO MANY ways to play /tg/ that it doesn't even matter what the publishers intended, only what they put out, and since Rule Zero and homebrews exist even that doesn't actually matter that much.

>>53375296
I am baiting. I forgot Poe's law has reached the point here where nothing can be parodied without it being taken seriously.

>>53375208
kek you mad. What's wrong Halae, upset that someone tore apart your shitty snowflake and showed that someone already did the character better?

>>53375204
>>53375233
>>53375264
Didn't someone say he had a copy saved? Can that guy pastebin it?

>>53375262
The shoes and the shirt look modernized to me, but I guess I could be getting put off the the art style.

>>53375311
It sounds more like you just don't want to consider the issue, rather than having a principled stance.

>>53375296
>>53375260
>not understanding he's making FUN of /pol/s rabbid hatred of the show
I know sarcasm is hard to understand on the internet but
>In reality
Should tip you off that he's not being serious.

>>53375311
>you can't objectively measure anything man.
>reality is like...an illusion
>nothing is good or bad
Nihilism is a common place to retreat to when you get called out for your factually wrong bullshit.

>>53375315
Yea please don't do that.

>>53375315
I apologize then, Its hard to tell on the internet sometimes when someone is being facetious, especially since /tg/ has been experiencing a strong /pol/ deluge as of late

>>53373659
Mighty Quest for Epic Loot seemed to turn out well. Looks like its a fun enough time for them all.

>>53375286
Nope. My suspicion is it's Andrik's or Viviana's player making the greentexts, considering the last one was mostly about them talking while most of the work getting done by the other PCs got maybe half as much detail.

It's been the same in other groups--whoever's the designated greentext-maker tends to focus on what their character did or witnessed. It's understandable, really, though I think it's better for the GM to make greentexts since they've got a more objective view.

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>>53375325
I guess only /v/ermin would understand.

>>53375147
Not really surprising considering they were openly pressuring Protag into letting them have a super-special magical companion.

>>53375369
Yeah, sorry I didn't realize that was a meme. I don't really go on any boards other than /tg/, since this place usually already has everything I need.

I'll look into getting a different Alistair pic to as to avoid meme contamination in the future

>>53375358
>Senior rank memes lording over their lessers and embellishing themselves

Sad, but not surprising.

>>53375338
No, "good is not meaningful" *is* my principled stance. You can make any number of valid arguments such as "the game is unbalanced at level 11+", "classes lack distinction before level 3", or "the game with Mythic becomes too unbalanced without actually giving all that many features", but firstly these are at least somewhat measures of opinion and secondly it literally doesn't matter because another group might disagree with you on what constitutes good. Maybe they like it being an imbalanced wizardfest.

>>53375347
You can objectively measure things that people agree on measurements for. "Goodness" is not something you will get an obective measure on. Efficiency and Volume are. Balance is less obective but you can still quantify it. "Good" is a matter of opinon because the actual weight different players will place on different things is different, and some people might even consider X or Y to be bad instead of good.

>>53375397
Get one where he's sucking the Warden's dick, because that's about all he's good for.

>>53375393
That's another problem. The gorgon isn't mentioned anywhere. The argument used to allow it is that it's odd for Paizo to draw the distinction between magical and mundane beasts, and I'd agree somewhat, but I think the pick of a magical beast deserves at least a throwaway line.

>>53375281
>Primary
Pietas
>Secondary
Gravitas, Severitas

Stability and responsibility are the most important along. Social order kept through stern discipline. The idea for the statue is a man holding a snake that is biting his throat as he tries to devour the snake's tail.

There was someone asking for my DRP math spreadsheet. Are they still here?

>>53375356
oh yeah it does. Are there any greentexts for it?

>>53375407
What you're saying doesn't have an ounce of actual rhetoric in it mostly because you're trying to avoid defining any term so that it can be measured. You're avoiding a stance, brah, because you can't have the argument

>>53375417
Eh, to me the one thing he was good at was providing exposition on Wardens, and being a sacrificial meat shield during large fights.
I still told him to fuck off though when he decided to pitch a fit as sparing Loghain

And as mentioned earlier, even though he is a complete bitch, he's still a much better and more fully actualized character than that shitty app for EotFC

>>53375222
I want to give Witch a hug!

How do I play a space rock lesbian

>>53375068
Why not start at level 7 instead?

>>53375464
Oh, he was great for bants. I kept that bitch around so him and Morrigan would gripe at each other constantly. Still wish Bioware would've let them fuck it out though.

But I bullied the shit out of him all the same. Played the depressed city elf card every chance I get to belittle his alleged struggles in life and make him feel like a total dork.

>>53375456
Have you considered that I'm not refusing to define a term but observing that it is not globally defineable? Are you arguing with me on whether or not I personally think you're right on your criticisms of early play? Because that's not what I'm arguing, I'm telling you that whether or not I personally agree you will never fucking have a globally applicable definition for 'good'. Cooke obviously thought that making martials suck Wizard cock made for a fun and good game, many people disagree, but you can't objectively call either side wrong.
If you're going to define something as nebulous and entirely opinion-based as "good" globally then you may as well just say that I'm wrong and you're right and that's that.

>>53375490
Witches are always for hug and cuddle. Big witches, little witches, smug witches, nervous witches. Just something about the word "witch" implies that one should mamoru their smile.

>>53375493
Step 1. Be an Oread or that TOTALLY NOT SHARDMIND race from Bloodforge 2.

Step 2. Have the character be from space

Step 2. Have the character be a lesbian.

>>53375513
They eat kids! That's not endearing at all.

I hope the PLD crew are having a nice college experience.

What are their majors?

>>53375091
Seems like it, unless someone pounces on someone else after realizing the thread is saying all this stuff.

Which I don't see why they would, Branwen x Kyras and Andrik x Viviana was fairly popular for a while.

>>53375493
Port the Oreads into Starfinder, then just copy the character Diplomat iconic

>>53375505
tl;dr
>That's just, like, your opinion man

>>53375068

>me every single time i play a level one campaign

oh gosh golly i invested time and effort into this level one character and i spent hours of my time writing a story for them

>nat 20 crossbow bolt
>ded instantly
'FUN'

>>53375535
That's right kiddo, glad you figured out that your opinion isn't the truth of the world.

>>53375525
That's lies and slander!
And this Witch is not a Witch but an Oracle!

>>53375529
Fuck off Vult/Wist/IKiD

Stop attention whoring.

>>53375253
Are you suggesting Andrik is a hidden bastard of Rogarvia?

>>53375525
It's probably that he's referring to PC witches.

Hags and villain witches eat kids. PC witches are shy, sheltered moeblobs and snarky, tragic tittymonsters.

>>53375444
Buildposting, you're a umonk guy if knowledge serves, how terrible of an idea would it be to play a tiny-sized umonk, assuming Dex-to-damage.

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>>53375505
Holy shit, this is the absolute most sophist thing I've read all week

>>53375434
>>53375281
>>53374824
A little bit more info:
>the Order mentioned in Crimson Dreadnought is going to be the character's family
>the executioner does not show his face, it is hidden behind an identical helm/armor, so you merely know it is a member of the family
>taking http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/combat-traits/steel-skin/ because it specifically is a great helm of your family
>the symbol of the family is a snake, the helm modeled after a snake
>my character is hiding the fact that his father is too sick to perform executions himself, and that his uncle a drunken fool who doesn't care about the family tradition, so the task has fallen solely to him
>might try and adapt a Martial Tradition to the family so my character can be a part of it
>character is in terror because if he dies before producing a male heir the sole member of the family able to carry on the traditions is his uncle, so he is desperate to marry as soon as possible (but can't reveal why)

>>53375552
Wist is GMT+8 dumb cunt it's like four in the morning there

>>53375547
Bro, brah, broseidon...That's not a valid stance.

>>53375555
Oh hey, they're even more like brothers now!

>>53375570

Stalker, much?

>>53375563
>>53375572
How is the stance of "you literally cannot define this shit objectively because someone will disagree and then you have no counter to them" not a stance? I'm not saying that no definition exists, I'm saying the literal opposite - there's so fucking many of them, all valid, that it's impossible to even narrow it down.

>>53375505
>waaaagh nothing in life is true, therefore I'm exempt from ever justifying myself ever!
That's not how the burden of proof works you little shit. I don't know what liberal-arts class taught you that, but in the real world attempting to use that as an argument generally means you don't have a valid argument, so your point is false and has no value and can be discarded.

>>53375595
Anybody who disagrees is clearly not mentally well-off.

>>53375595
It's because stances like that are a declaration of your lack of intent to analyze, examine, or critique anything. You're not having or presenting an argument, you're refusing to engage.

>>53375559
Like....not at all. It would be fine.

>>53375612
>>53375623
>>53375643
So are you arguing that your literal, arbitrary opinion of what is good is universal?
Explain to me how a game can be 'objectively bad', using a global definition literally everyone on the planet accepts. You can't do it.

>>53375643
No, I'm willing to engage critque in say the unbalanced nature of high level play or relative blandness of low level play. I'm not willing to engage in critque about the objective "badness" of high level or low level play because badness is an arbitrary term.

>>53375595
>you literally cannot define this shit objectively because someone will disagree
That's the wrong part. If they disagree with something despite the ammount of evidence posed to them doesn't magically make the arguent null, it means the individual disagreeing is both wrong and being wilfully ignorant, and refuses to accept the evidence posed towards them as a counter because of their indignation. We call those people flat-earthers, or sophists, and upon realizing them we stop trying to counter them because it is made apparent that they're so far up their own anus that no amount of discourse will change it, because such individuals are looking to be right rather than actually desiring to know the truth.

I mean holy shit how retarded can you be to believe any of the crap you're spewing?

>>53375557
>he thinks Bran-Bran doesn't eat kids

Do teenagers count?

Can we make a new thread already.

These autists arguing about arguments is an eyesore

>>53375669
We had attempted to define the quality of a game based on its mission statement (what the game sets out to do), but you rejected even that. You're fucking hollow, mate. You haven't said anything other than you don't want to listen.

>>53375669
>You can't do it.
Of course I can't! I can't very well expect to cater to the unwell, the demon-possessed, the subhumans or whatever other ills they might be afflicted with that render them incapable of understanding me. You, for example.

>>53375676
Person A says a beef dish tastes good, presenting a bunch of arguments about how the meat slides around and how it's just tender enough etc. etc.
Person B shrugs and says he didn't like it that much.
Is Person B objectively wrong because he didn't bother to present 'evidence'?

>>53375697
>>53375701
But who cares about its misssion statement when people can and have used Pathfinder to play combatless fucking intrigue games or god forbid kingdom building politics? You're defining 'good' on how well it fits paizo's ideas, ergo how well it achieves what it nominally is supposed to do. Not everyone cares about that. I can agree that it actually is shit at that, but the point I'm making is that that definition is not one a lot of players would care about.

>>53375680
Nah, teenagers are just cannon fodder unless they're the inexplicably hypercompetent blonde virgin.

Everyone else is bound to get eaten or murdered sooner or later.

>>53375680
But Branwen is also a teenager. Granted she's probably taken miles of dicks by now, but still.

>>53375649
The issue of reach seems like it would be a problem element.

>>53375735
>Is Person B objectively wrong because he didn't bother to present 'evidence'?
Actually, yes, that's how an argument works.

>>53375530
I thought Andrik and Branwen was more popular, or Andrik and Antoinette, actually. Maybe a time zone thing?

>>53372460
Have you seen the Ironfang game? It feels like there are only memes there.

>>53375588
>not wanting to snuggle Wist

I think you're the minority here, friend.

>>53372996
Not how it works. You'll be invited to play an actual session as your character in a guest appearance, not have your work be shamelessly stolen to be used without you there.

>>53375735
>I can agree that it actually is shit at that, but the point I'm making is that that definition is not one a lot of players would care about.
The point I'm making is that those people are fundamentally not human and nobody would miss them.

>>53375555
I think I am, Quad-kun.

>>53375760
No, Person B is less convincing and sounds like he might be disagreeing just to be contrarian about a famously good dish, but surprise: you can't be objectively wrong about personal taste. Person B does not claim that the beef is 'bad'. Person B claims he didn't enjoy it. Unless you can read his fucking mind and notice he's outright lying, you can't actually say he's wrong. Woah!

>>53375814
You are irrelevant to them as they are to you.

>>53375839
>You are irrelevant to them as they are to you.
Exactly. Once they're dead I mean nothing to them and they mean nothing to me.

>>53375570
I'm just guessing it's one of the many attention whores associated with that game.

Seriously how transparently needy for attention can you get so that you constantly have to bring up your fucking game

>>53375583
Does that mean they won't fuck now?

>>53373659
I don't think Ironfang is an intentional bamboozle, but you have to wonder if it will actually start with all the shit meme apps it has.

>>53375861
Nothing is written.

>>53375669
>Explain to me how a game can be 'objectively bad', using a global definition literally everyone on the planet accepts. You can't do it.
That's because its impossible for someone who is being wilfully ignorant and refuses any perspective other than their own to agree because they're so far up their own anus that they refuse to even consider their own viewpoint to be wrong, even when it is demonstrated to be wrong.

A game is "objectively bad" when it is incapable of being able to deliver an overall mechanically balanced product on its own and meet the promises that the system made and set out to fulfill on its own without vigorous consumer overhaul.
If we were to take this concept and apply it to say vidya, we know that there are games that are objectively bad due to failing these prerequisites, such as Ride to Hell: Retribution. Now, just because it is bad doesnmean people don't enjoy it. However people enjoying it doesn't make it a good game, but rather because those people are enjoying it IN SPITE of it being bad. As such, while it is possible for a game or system to be objectively bad and still have people enjoy it. The problem lies with retards like you though who refuse to realize and recognize the quality for what it is, and try to justify your own enjoyment of a horrible product by attempting to twist and make quality meaningless so that you can never be considered wrong for liking something in your own mind. Because you can't stand the idea of something you like being bad, afterall how can it be bad if I LIKE IT!!!1!, you muddy and ruin what is defined as good and quality, until it becomes difficult to actually tell what is good andbad in your eyes and you've convinced yourself so thoroughly of your own sophist relativist mindset that discourse and evidence becomes innefective atyour willfully ignorant mindset.

tldr you are an ignorant fool who happily eats shit and try to convince other people that eating shit is ok

>>53375744
Did they mention dicks in the app? I can't remember.
Or did you mean in the game? Oh god...did she fuck Oleg?

>>53375693
No anon, when threads go to shit you have to let them run down or else it'll carry over to new threads.

On the verge of page 6 though, I fear we can't avoid the bad future.

>>53375839
>No, Person B is less convincing and sounds like he might be disagreeing just to be contrarian about a famously good dish, but surprise: you can't be objectively wrong about personal taste.
Wrong, it just means that Person B just has shit taste that is nonindicative of quality and is unjustified and should not be trusted to judge meat.
t. a certified Kansas City Barbecue Association judge

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Making a character. I accidentally made a harry potter scar. Should I do something else or is this ok? I realized after the fact that I made harry potter.

Character background, Traits, Foul Brand:

>>53375947

Cringe.

>>53375981
I'm asking for advice

I've never done this before and we're not all hemingway right away

>>53375735
>Is Person B objectively wrong because he didn't bother to present 'evidence'
Yes, that is how the burden of proof works. And if you disagree, you are disagreeing with the entire process of scientific peer review, experimentation, and verification, and should probably never pursue a STEM degree or ever ever trust in any form of scientific theory or concept.

If so, then go fuck off and live in a mudhut, because modern society has no use for you

>>53375882
>A game is "objectively bad" when it is incapable of being able to deliver an overall mechanically balanced product on its own and meet the promises that the system made and set out to fulfill on its own without vigorous consumer overhaul.
Okay, but that would make 5e better than 3.5e, which while true for some is untrue for others, who perhaps find Bounded Accuracy henious.

>eating shit is okay
You know what? If the shit isn't literally toxic and they enjoy eating shit, literally what is wrong with eating shit? It becomes just another food. That's like saying someone is objectively wrong for eating oreos when he could be eating chocolate chip or vice versa.

>>53375934
>should not be trusted to judge meat
The only person you should trust to judge meat is yourself with your own tongue, or second best a judge / magazine who has consistently matched your own perceptions of taste. Welcome to personal taste, where fact is literally relative.

>>53375222
I'm actually surprised that someone likes my character, given that she's a mess of clashing ideas and I hate her so much that I'm going for a full rewrite.

>>53376013
Except that arts and sciences are different for a reason. Cooking, in this case, falls under an art.

I literally work in a lab currently, probably in a less fru fru STEM discipline than you. Your entire posts reeks of someone desperately trying to find some high ground to stand on. No seriously, go fuck yourself.

For Ensoulment, DHB's martials are allowed. Are they any good, or would it be better to choose an official class?

>>53375947
I'd recommend being more concise with things here and there, unless the particulars of the black skinned figure are really important to you, you should just call it demon-like, or maybe just leave it at figure if appearance is unimportant enough to let your DM fill out.

Sarenrae, not Sarenrea.

Your tense is inconsistent, so make sure to get it down on a rewrite. You probably don't need quotes, just the intention of what's been said.

I don't have the expertise to say much about the concept unfortunately, though I wonder how important it is to detail all this instead of revealing in during your game. That'd probably come down to your DM.

>>53376013
>scientific peer review
I am in a hard STEM field you dumb cunt. Do not spout meme terms you don't understand.
Scientific peer review is understanding methodology and checking for errors. The entirety of the scientific method rests upon the assumption that observations are globally applicable, which is why they fall apart when subjected to individual shit. No matter how much someone justifies why he likes the color red and no matter how much someone else justifies he hates the color blue, neither of them can be right or wrong because it's about what you personally think. I hate shitter undergrads like you who suddenly believe that science is some sort of silver bullet that can objectively tell you that you're wrong for liking or hating pineapple pizza. At best we can tell you whether or not it statistically is liked by over X% of the population or whether it seems to lead to a longer life.

>>53376079
>I am in a hard STEM field you dumb cunt.
Typical STEMfag. I can't wait for the machines to replace your sorry ass.

>>53376052
>Cooking
>art
>Not studying the chemical reactions that give food their optimal flavor, based on endorphin production after the food stimulates the taste buds

We've reached peak autism

>>53376101
Molecular gastronomy is more flash than substance at this point.

>>53376090
If they do then power to them.

>>53376101
Endorphin production for different chemicals is noticed to vary between different people in terms of sensitivity, and there are groups of people who are likely to like X product less than others. For example asians are noted to not really like cheese, but europeans generally love the shit.

>>53376120
Thank God the thread's dying off.

>>53376177
Worst pfg in awhile