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Why do people still deny that altmer are the master race of TES?

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Why do people still deny that altmer are the master race of TES?

>based on morrowind stats they are nearly twice as smart as most humans
>naturally extremely adept at magic
>eugenics has made them resistant to disease
>millennia long lifespans
>basically 7 foot tall super aryans

Also

>annihilated the empire and cucked the nords
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But they're still evles so.
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>>53335430
>not hist

Let's see you survive to the next kalpa.
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>morrowind stats
literally not canon
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>>53335430
ok
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>>53335458
>muh racism

Um no sorry sweetie, try again
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>>53335430
As if Bretons didn't steal the best of your traits. On that subject, Brets are still chaotic decedents of Lorkhan, meaning their lives matter an iota. Altmer are just the metaphysical equivalent of tools and shills.
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>>53335430
Do you ever think Altmer in Tamriel make threads about the master race of earth?
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>>53335637
Their too proud for that

In sure the nords shitpost endlessly about how they was divines and conquerors and shit though
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>>53335631
Bretons had some good traits rub off on then yes

But their manlets and decidedly less magically inclined
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>>53335471
It's implied all the times that high elves are more intelligent and that certain races such as orcs and nords are slower
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>>53335541
>he thinksa mace will be useful against a mage that can vaporize your from 75 yards away

Ishygddt
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>>53335765
Why are they shorter than other humans, anyway? You'd think with elf genes they'd be between the two races, not shorter than both.
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>>53335430
Reminder that Bretons are the true master race of Tamriel.

>Naturally talented at magic.
>Naturally resistant to magic.
>Adept at martial skills to boot.
>Great diplomats.

Second place belongs to Wood Elves

>Best god damn archers on Tamriel.
>Have the best body coordination and martial skills among elves.
>Can use a ritual to shapshift into monstorsities to kill of their enemies as a last measure.
>Religion that makes them stronger - hunt for meat or die.
>Have the best looking chicks of all races.

Meanwhile Altmer

>Are weak to magic.
>Have piss skin.
>Can't breed for shit.
>Are the fantasy equivalent of Jews.
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>>53336059
>>Best god damn archers on Tamriel.
This is important because wars are decided on the mystic art of stealth archery
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>>53336100
Not to mention that Shapeshifting into monstrosities that devour everything.

Read up on Woolf-Deer.

Also the Wood elves slaughtered their way all the way across Tamriel to the middle of Skyrim just to kill that one arsehole who was riling up Nords to genocide them.
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>>53336100
And they are so exceptionally stealthy to boot.
But they're also basically one coat of body hair away from being Khajiit
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Reminder that All oblivion portals in BlackMarch had to be shut down by Dagon halfway through the crisis because while everyone else was getting fucked the Argonians decided to INVADE HIS REALM and were succeeding in their endeavor. They then proceeded to rape Morrowind and also succeeded in their endeavor.
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>>53335430
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>>53335954
He hits your in the balls from 100 yards away in such a way that all your children retroactively become effeminate khajiiti cuntboys.

Everything in TES is magic if you practice enough.
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>>53335954
>>53336425
>>53336389

>Elder Scrolls
>Magic doing anything

Everyone that matters will have 90% resist stacked on 80% absorb. Altmer literally specialize in something worthless.
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>>53335430
Because they are stuck up fags who act like spoiled children, Dunmer are way better.
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>>53335954
>implies mages are useful when even the elves still field foot soldiers who beat things to death with clubs therefore meaning they have not been rendered irrelevent by magic like how firearms rendered melee irrelevent IRL.
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>>53336480
Fireballs are for apprentices, you can't resist having the metaphysical rug pulled from under you by an asshole mystic with too much free time on his hands. Or by a lunatic who practiced martial arts so hard he can cut your hair with a quarterstaff.
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>>53336515
>like how firearms rendered melee irrelevent IRL

Which is hilarious, considering Longbows were the superior weapon to use during the period of musket lines and bayonet charges.

And Crossbows were always better then Firearms until cartridge firearms came about
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>>53336549
I can understand being this ignorant ten years ago, but nowadays I don't know where you people are still coming from.
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>>53335430
Elves die, Lorkhan laughs. Go play WE WUZ AEDRA AN SHIET somewhere else, Legolas.
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>>53336683

I know this is 4chan, but this is also /tg/

If you disagree, please tell me in what way, for my education, and your gratification
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>>53335430
>annihilated the empire

Funny way of saying "easily baited into having almost their entire army destroyed in one battle."
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I don't
I want to marry an Altmer qt to oudbreed my disgusting H*man genes and restore our Ehlnofey legacy that is best preserved by a glorious race of High Elves
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>>53336744
If I shoot you with a longbow, you will probably survive unless it hits something important and causes you to bleed out. You can also just wear a padded jacket and render yourself immune to most arrow lethality outside of point-blank range. And longbows only have an effective range of 50 meters.

Simmarilrily, crossbows inflict little trauma upon the body and will only kill if they sever something incredibly important, such as an artery. Even perforated organs may not kill you in the long run, certainly not in a couple seconds and you can still fight on after being shot with one.

Early firearms fire fucking .60 caliber lead balls that blow out huge chunks of the human body and go straight through it, and only incredibly thick plates will stop it that are expensive to mass produce. They will also instantly drop a man instead of merely wounding him and allowing him to fight on. You can still load and fire a weapon with an arrow embedded in your shoulder, such is not the case if the area that used to be your shoulder is now chunky salsa. Plus unlike bows, muskets can be semi-accurately aimed and sow terror better.

Contrary to /tg/ armchair general delusions, bows are not good weapons at all compared to even early firearms, which is why everybody and their mother was getting as many of them as they could either the second they became available or, in the case of the English, when they went up against firearms and realized how superior they were to archers.
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>>53336372
I want to complain bout something here, but I honestly can't.
>Red guards developed a sword technique that can literally split fucking atoms and cause a nuclear explosion
>Induril Neravar beat Ysgrimor by PUNCHING his shouts until he shouted his own throat raw and bloody, then decided death was for fags and reincarnated thousands of years later (I know that's not actually how mantling works)
>Argonians invaded Oblivion for shits and giggles during the oblivion crisis. Dagon had to manually kick them all out and close those portals because they were actually succeeding in taking over his realm.
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>>53336935

While everything you said makes sense, I simple don't understand how when things like the battle of crecy happened
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>>53336059
>>Naturally talented at magic
Not really, if they needed their magical talent to be raped into them.
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>>53335430
High Elves are weak-shit and so is anyone who thinks some beanpole bitch is gonna out-do the warrior mage orc who smithed a sword long enough to reflect his dick length.

Fucking knife ears. Get off of my Orcish Log-carving forum.
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>>53337038
>knife ears
>>>/v/
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>>53336991
Hit and run tactics, use of angles, and terrain advantage will always win out against arms superiority.
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Redguard! Now and forever!
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>>53336991
Crecy wasn't about longbows as much as it was about English being clever and French being the opposite of clever.

English picked the ground that favored their army composition while the French could not deploy their entire force or use their cavalry properly because they were sitting behind a giant dike.

English could put pressure on French infantry and mercenary crossbowmen because two thirds of their army were massive burly dudes with bows, and while an arrow can't puncture decent mail or kill a warhorse at long range 10,000 arrows per minute means a lot of lucky hits.

English knew how to fight armor with bows and set up their fire zones so bowmen could shoot advancing French knights in the flanks. This meant they were hitting thin plate and wounding horses.

French kept trying to charge the fortified English position uphill, and abovementioned massive burly dudes also had armor and swords and fought in melee alongside English knights and men-at-arms, meaning that despite having a bigger army the French were vastly outnumbered in each individual assault.

Capturing nobles for ransom was one of the major sources of revenue in war, so thousands of wounded French were captured during each sortie. Vast majority of French knights who died at Crecy were murdered after reaching English lines and being taken prisoner, because the English feared they would not be able to hold so many prisoners.
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>>53337342
>murdered after reaching English lines and being taken prisoner

The English aren't even human.
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>>53337395
Now you understand what the Irish were trying to tell you all along.
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>>53336991
What about them? Barely anybody died from archers in Crecy or Azincourt. Instead most survived and were taken captive, then executed both times when respective English realized they had more prisoners than their own troops and could be easily overwhelmed.

Hence this is why the Hundred Years War is called the "death of chivalry", as the English basically shat all over chivalrious conventions such as not killing stupidly valuable knights.
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>>53337395
A prevailing sentiment in continental Europe at the time.
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>>53335430
>.t thalmor
Nice propaganda thread faggot
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>>53337430
Just let that sink in for a moment, for all you ranger/rogue fags.

Archers had been pouring thousands of arrows onto the French knights. They killed their horses. But the knights still lived. The French knights then decided to charge on foot. And they got even more arrows hurled towards them. And the knights still lived.

The French didn't start losing men (which mostly were simply men injured, not killed) until the French finally reached the English lines and got swarmed because they lacked the whole momentum of a cavalry attack.
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>>53337430
>>53337515
Pretty sure absolutely none of the French knights that died at Crecy or Agincourt had even been slightly hurt by longbow men.

IIRC, Matt Easton has a video on it somewhere on Youtube, where he mentions some primary source of French knights writing about how longbowmen only hurt your wallet, basically. Having to get your visor fixed because arrowpoints get jammed in the view slits, ruining the design, or having to buy a new horse.
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>>53337515
Rangers are guys who range, as in roam.

And while you're technically correct, a warhorse is a huge thing of tough muscle and not easy to kill with arrows even when not whacked out on adrenaline.
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>>53337456
A sentiment in continental Europe at this time too.

>duurrrrr lets shoot ourselves in da foot becuz muh sovereignty

At least now those limey cunts can pay back the Irish for all the hurt they caused now the entire economic sector in London is relocating to Ireland.
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>>53337568
EU is a creaky, leaking ship piloted by USA and Germany, while jumping overboard is stupid it's also stupid to not be extremely concerned about how the journey will end.
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>>53337515
No some people certainly did die from arrows, like the retards who left their visor open (there's always going to be "that guy") or the freak shot to the armpit that penetrates a lung. But otherwise it would be minor injuries or at worst incapacitations. IIRC most injuries were actually caused by trampling.
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>>53337551
Destriers were BARELY bigger than Coursers. Contrary to popular belief "war horses' were not big horses.
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>>53337635
Pretty sure absolutely no one died to English arrows during those two battles. All knights were nobles, so if they died to something, it'll be in books.

You might have something confused with the regular soldiers, or the Italian mercenaries the French brought along.
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>>53336744

Even the earliest, shittiest firearms passed to their targets twice the kinetic energy of an arrow from the strongest longbow. In addition, that energy was passed by a lead bullet, which had much less propensity for bouncing from curved surfaces and could concuss the enemy even without penetrating plate.

Consequently, even if in total absence of armor, effective range of even the earliest, shittiest firearms was greater than those of bows. In fact, during the Imjin war the abiltity of Japanese arquebusiers to shoot up bow-using enemies from safe range (despite not wearing anything that could be called real armor) was one of their key advantages. In presence of armor, archers had to walk almost right next to the enemy to be effective.

Consequently, while early firearms were still too unwieldy to use in field battles, as soon as a proper arquebuse that "automated" placing the fuse to the powder, instead of awkwardly holding it in your hand, was invented in Europe, absolutely fucking everyone who ever encountered it and knew shit about war, instantly started using it in favor of bows, at least as far their ability to procure or make arquebuses extended. English, for example, completely abandoned longbows during XVI century.

As about crossbows, those that could compete with penetrative power of firearms were more expensive than firearms (requiring a complex winch) and took longer to reload.
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>>53337657
Also a note, armor often could stop gunshots, but even if your armor stops a bullet cold, a bullet hits really fucking hard. At the very least a defeated gunshot will knock the wind out of you, and break a rib at worst.
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>>53337643
My point was they are plenty big compared to humans, and arrows are already conditionally effective against a healthy human. You'd need to shoot a horse point blank if you want to cause serious harm.
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>>53337707
>Also a note, armor often could stop gunshots, but even if your armor stops a bullet cold, a bullet hits really fucking hard. At the very least a defeated gunshot will knock the wind out of you, and break a rib at worst.
How does that go up against say, mail, transitional armour, early plate and late plate?

Your point sounds very logical, but history and physics often work in weird ways, and I wonder if a handgonne can really break someone's ribs while wearing hardened plate.
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Just a heads up: what weapons were like in real life is actually not remotely interesting.
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>>53337568
The EU is a beraucratic mess that's going to have to reform or it will go down as a German dominated Socialist Dictatorship.
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>>53336981
>Neravar beat Ysgrimor

I don't think they existed at the same time.
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>>53338596
>Socialist
lolno
mostly agree on your other points tho
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>>53336189
Argonians really are the most successful.
Hey, remember the Thrassian Plague? Or the Knahaten Flu?

Or all those times that Black Marsh has been fully conquered by outsiders? Oh wait, that's zero.
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>>53338846
Remember that time where Argonians were slaves of dunmer?
And when Humans became rulers of tamriel, they let dunmer to keep them, because they never gave a fuck about lizards?
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>>53338596
It will go bankrupt long before that.

>>53338294
Mail is excellent against low velocity impact, but with war arrows and bullets you have a problem of rings breaking and letting the projectile through. I don't think it's possible to make mail that will protect against gunshot, you're better of wearing a brigandine and holding your fingers crossed.

'Transitional armor' is a bit dubious. You have mail, then mail with a cloth jacket with some plates bolted on (coat of plates), then you have a divergence to brigandine (leather coat with metal plates sewn to the inside) as lighter, cheaper soldiers' armor, full plate as expensive armor for rich assholes, and mail, because that thing had been around for 3000 years and every armory in Europe is sitting on a giant stockpile of it. Tempered steel plate is the absolute best medieval armor if you want shock protection, and that still wasn't enough in the end. The absolute pinnacle of plate quality also happened to be the time when firearms came into their own as the main weapon of every serious military. At that point plate was mostly used by rich soldiers to minimize the chance of getting killed by something trivial, rather than trying to facetank enemy gunfire.

> if a handgonne can really break someone's ribs
Kevlar jackets aren't rigid. Kevlar prevents penetration but you still take all the kinetic energy of the round. Plate is rigid armor, it absorbs kinetic energy. The only two ways to bring down a man in plate were either to wrestle him down or to somehow manage a solid blow straight to his helmet with a polearm; plate armor would turn nearly anything else into a glancing blow. But plate's rigidity also means it can't effectively hold against a bullet, so the round will simply go through, possibly even shattering, and mess up your innards.

So, plate either turns a bullet into a harmless glancing shot, or does almost nothing and you suffer a normal gunshot wound.
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>>53338887
Okay, remember when the Akaviri were gonna wipe a joint Nord-Dunmer taskforce, but an Argonian slave chick had a Hist-vision and led an army of Argonians to the rescue?

Or how about the time the Dunmer HAD to give a fuck about the Argonians after the Red Mountain exploded?
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>>53338846
They're the most successful, but at the cost they pay for it I don't envy them at all.
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>>53338783
Anon, it's basically a transfer union.
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>>53335631
Bretons are manlets though which means they're essentially worthless
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>>53335593
>calls someone master race
>calls someone else racist
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>>53335430
>lol let's accidentaly the whole world
>that's how you ascend, right?

WE WUZ GODS N SHIET
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>>53338910
You're still subhuman and only use from you is to make a shoe out of your skin.
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>>53335999
Trips here has a point
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>>53338975
>WE WUZ GODS N SHIET
Both Elves and Humans are decedents of aedra (GODZ), but everyone but Altmer got cucked and forgot their birthright
How dare Altmer to remember Ehlnofey legacy and not acting like other retarded races either worshiping daedra or dragons or fucking trees?
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>>53339006
Because the others are not trying to grape the world on an ascension gamble.
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I GET STRESSED

Wood Elves are a cool concept but I never play as one
Dark Elves are cool had Have nostalgia and magic and superiority over everything
Argonians are tough and badass and all

So which would I choose to be my favorite?!
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>>53339029
You always take Dunmer, you fucking Swit.
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>>53339006
The crux is why would anyone care, and how the fuck do you use that to justify committing genocide on every other race in existence and undoing the world because of your personal butthurt.
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>>53338978
And you're sub-Hist.
See, I can resort to petty name calling too.
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>>53339049
Unless you want to avoid the magicka/enchantment slot expenditure for Water Breathing. Then you go Argonian.
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>>53339053
Souls dont die but continue live in aetherius or oblivion
Altmer are doing a favor for everyone, but you being a cucked human, cannot comprehend this
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Swear to god to started reading this thread cause of ES, got side tracked doing homework and then started reading again and I couldnt even tell it was the same thread.
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>>53339097
What's there to do underwater in any TES game that would require more than a couple of cheap Water Breathing potions?
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>>53339129
Fistfight the Giant Slaughterfish like a real man.
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>>53339099
Why don't you all kill yourselves and go do your shit from there?
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>>53339162
Fucking this.
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>>53339157
Potions are enough for that.

Hell, in Toddlivion you get regenerating mana and alteration spells are dirt cheap, you can stay underwater indefinitely with even mediocre skill. Just accept that you have a scalie fetish and let's move on.
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>>53335430
Talk to me again when you guys become gods on earth.
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>>53339183
You're forgetting that in Oblivion they also came with full poison immunity.
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>>53335430
Who hasn't cucked the nords at this point?
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>>53339049
Truth
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>>53339209
Which is relevant how? I can't even remember anything using poison.

Also, still potions. You are not poisoned all the time. You're probably not poisoned 99,999% of the time. Potions are enough.
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>>53336059
>Have the best looking chicks of all races

Oh I would disagree.
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>>53339302
ikr
I mean, we all know that dunmer are best chicks, amirite?
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>>53339302
To be honest senpai. Argonian women are hotter than Khajiit women.
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>>53339389
>cold blooded lizards
>hot
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>>53339383
>>53338069
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>>53339434
If you put them out in the sun awhile yeah sure.
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>>53339437
>>53338146
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>>53339509
>>53338176
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>>53339389
>>53339389
Oh I like both in their own ways.
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>>53338938
The EU's crazy bureaucracy does remind some people of the former USSR so I guess I can see it.
But if you meant socialism as synonymous to leftism I disagree since I regard the EU's economic policies as typical of the neoliberal/late capitalist agenda.
>>53338906
>It will go bankrupt long before that.
What do you mean by that? Do you mean the Eurozone will shatter?
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>>53339222
And yet, they never stay down.

I admire that about the Nords, really. They just don't know when to quit. Falmer? Dragons? Chimer and Dwemer? Akaviri? Daedra? Cyrodiil, multiple times? Daedra AGAIN? Dragons AGAIN? Altmer?

Every time something knocks those bullheaded, woad-painted brutes down they get right back up, spit out the blood, and keep doing whatever irrelevant thing they were doing like they don't even care anything's happened.
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>>53339539
>Hexagons
>In fantasy

Just no.
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>>53336935
>gets pissed off at bow-wankery
>does a complete 180 and decides bows are worthless all hail muh glorious guns
>Not realising he is just as bad as the bow-wankers
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>want to destroy reality
>think you are the master race
you can't be better than anyone when everyone else is dead, you soft cocked mistakes
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>>53336549
nice bait
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>>53339544
>The EU's crazy bureaucracy does remind some people of the former USSR so I guess I can see it.
Yes, because an occasionally overbearing set of rules and regulations on commercial standards is exactly like gulags and bread queues and midnight visits from the nkvd because your neighbour was jealous of your Lada
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>>53339815
I'm not saying it's the same. I've seen some people who lived through the USSR compare it to the EU in the fact that it's a bureaucratic superstate structure that seems out of touch and autonomous from popular sentiment.
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>>53338783
Germany is a classless nation where the workers have the controlling share of all companies. It's literally a textbook Marxist state.
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>>53335999

Mountain people tend towards being shorter. Other than that, yeah, you'd think they'd be tall.
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Daily reminder that Bretons are canonically chivalrous questing French in western High Rock, making them best-race.
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>>53341802
This is bait, everyone knows that they are rape-babies of elves.
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>>53339129
I hear you, there should be more underwater ruins and such. As it is, about the only thing water breathing is good for is running away and hiding
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>>53342098
There should be more environmental obstacles in general. Morrowind really underutilized its magic system and later games didn't have meaningful exploration at all.
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>>53339222
Let's list those who did cuck them:

>Bretons
>Imperials
>Dunmer
>Wood Elves
>High Elves
>Redguards
>Snow demons
>Dragons
>Falmer (before Ysgramor returned)
>Dwemer (cucked them out of their god)
>Tsaeci (raided the shit out of them until Reman got them to submit)

Those that didn't cuck them:
>Khajeet
>Argonians
>Sload
>Maromer
>The remaining not!Asia races
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>>53339815
The problem is that the EU Beraucracy is slowly heading there.

Germans do ruin everything with their left wing politics.
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>>53335430
They can't be the master race if we eventually kill them all. Do your part, /tg/. Kill an Altmer, for the sake of humanity and every other race. They don't just think they're better than is, they think they're better than other mer too.
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>>53342633
Altmer are not real, anon.
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>>53342664
>You will never have an elven wife
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>>53336372
Dunmer is literally the best race, no contest. They can survive anything, just like the Argonians and Redguards, but above all else, they have the three most powerful Daedra on their side. The Argonians have the Just which is also powerful, and the Redguards are just stonecold badasses. They all grew up in hell while the rest of the races had it easy. None can compete with this holy trinity.
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>>53342664
Bro, did you forget you're on /tg/?
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>>53342680
>tumblr nose
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>>53342680
>fanart
>the same fanart every thread
Anon, you don't care about Altmer at all, but only about an idealized version you made up in your head based on a single non-canon picture you masturbate to. Please get over it.
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>>53342705
>adresses /tg/ directly
>is surprised when /tg/ shit talks back
/tg/ is a board on a chinese cartoon website, where supposedly people that play traditional games gather and talk about traditional games, in the real world. Where elves don't exist.
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>>53342738
>He tells this to a guy who played ~200H as an Altmer mage

>>53339509
pic related is for you
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>>53342764
Congrats, now go tell someone who actually gives a shit.
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>>53338618
It was Ysmir (probably) Wulfharth, not Ysgramor. Although Wulfharth is a badder dude in general if you ask me.
>YSMIR, the Dragon of the North, who always appears as a great bearded king, had powers innumerable and echoing. He was grim and dark and the most silent of the invading chieftains, though when he spoke villages were uplifted and thrown into the sea. The Hortator fought him unarmed, grabbing the Dragon's roars by hand until Ysmir's power throat bled. These roars were given to Vivec to bind into an ebony listening frame, which the warrior-poet placed on Ysmir's face and ears to drive him mad and drive him away.
From sermon 9
My personal favorite Chieftain in there though is Hoaga the Mouth of Mud because it sounds like the right combination of silly and intimidating
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>>53342769
Oh boy anon, you played a video game. You should by now know that they look like ayys.
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>>53342782
You care enough to respond, so there's really no need.

Have a (You) on the house.
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>>53342782
Apparatnly you, because you are feeding me delicous (You)'s.
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>>53342811
And what?
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>>53335954

Sorry friend that aint no mormal mace
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>>53342876
At least obsess about the actual lore and depiction of Altmer, because this can be interesting. Not the same goddamn image and low-quality waifuposting.
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>>53335430
>annihilated the empire and cucked the nords

Wait, is the empire canonically gone now?
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>>53335430
>cucked
This is /tg/, not /pol/.
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>>53342981
but anon, this is a """joke""" thread.
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>>53337342
Also IIRC the French were relying on mercenaries to provide ranged suppression, and the mercenaries bottled out when they realized half their equipment was stuck several miles behind them in the middle of a nightmare baggage train.

That said, while actual fatal longbow strikes were rare, there are a lot of accounts from Crecy of the longbow resulting in the deaths of French knights. Quite a few were trampled after being knocked off their horses. A downed steed could also kill the shit out of its rider if it collapsed in a particularly nasty way.

Longbows aren't god weapons, but they did what they needed to do - they incapacitated the enemy.
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>>53342902
>YOU CANT LIKE WHAT I DONT LIKE

again, pic related >>53339509
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>>53342902
Wait a minute, you're the one who is sperging in Eldar waifu threads arent you?
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>>53342902
>>53343116
Oh boy, now its obvious
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>>53343103
I'm not telling you what to like, I'm telling you why I find the things you "contribute" annoying and boring. I take someone that is autistic about the lore over someone that jacks off to the same pic and pretends he is a fan of the race the fanart is based of. At least get a new picture.
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>>53342680
Those are Chimer.

Altmer by that artist are pictured top left here.

>>53342902
Fuck off mate, nobody wants your derpy Skyrim models. And stop demanding that everyone pretends eldar are tall greys because of one piece of art. I know it's you you faggot.
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>>53343182
Canon > fanart
You are just outing yourself as plebs.
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>>53335430
Perfection breeds jealousy.
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>>53343174
nah, feck off, m8
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>>53342738
>>53342811
>>53342902
>>53343174
>>53343218

Sweet Jesus, you are more subhuman than ikibey on /int/
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>>53343400
That's way too tumblr.
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>>53343218
Skyrim's concept art is starkly removed in many ways from that of the rest of the series.

It's one take on the concepts in the series among many, and one that nobody likes.
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>>53343586
The concept art works pretty with what you see in the game, it looks more accurate than this deviant art.
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>>53343703
Even in the actual game, the elves don't look like that. The idea that they're like this goes against the lore, too - characters like Barenziah wouldn't be legendary beauties if all the elves looked like ayy lmaos.

And pic related here is just as canon as this stuff.

Stop sucking the dick of Skyrim's shitty design team.
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>>53335430
They're a bunch of whiny nihilists.
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>>53344047
hes an obvious troll, baiting for yous.
just stop replying
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>>53335430
You'd think with all that eugenics they'd manage to make themselves attractive.

Fuckers are hideous.
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>>53344167
m8, they are angels by skyrim standard
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>>53344047
>Even in the actual game, the elves don't look like that
I think they pretty much do, as I said it's still closer to this one deviant artist.
>characters like Barenziah wouldn't be legendary beauties if all the elves looked like ayy lmaos
Is it this hard to believe that she could be beautiful while looking a bit ayy?
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>>53335430
Millennia? Wasn't it around 300 years (for all mer, except the tusked pigmer)?
Well, I mostly agree with you. Altmer indeed ARE the masterrace, but I don't think they are as great as the Aldmer. Maormer and Bosmer are neat, too

Also, their plan of undoing reality to shift themselves back to divine status isn't the best course of action one could take.
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>>53344448
>Is it this hard to believe that she could be beautiful while looking a bit ayy?

No. It is pretty much impossible to be beautiful if you look as ayy as that concept art, though.
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>>53335430
>t. butthurt assfaggot who was probably kicked out of /tgesg/ for being a shitposting loser with no life
Also, proof of Breton Superiority coming through
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We all know who the superior race is
They could out magic the Altmer
They could out war the Dunmer
They left the mortal plane because fuck you that's why
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>>53345299
>They left the mortal plane because they lost to everyrace they hated and decided to ragequit into a pool of autism and bronze skin to power their contrarian fedorabot
ftfy
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>>53343132
>Dark Eldar
>No piercings
>White sclera
>No body mods period
>Not drinking own period blood
>Wearing anything more than black underwear
END THINE EXISTENCE, MILKSOP
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>>53345712
Nice "fan"art, right.
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>>53335430
cause they're cunts
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>>53335430
They look fucking stupid, their ideas are inane, and they die from a hedge mages fireball.

Real elves have 50% resistance to fire.
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>>53346144
Only from being shoved into Oblivion's asshole by better races you shitty ash nigger
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>>53338965
The goyi- I mean mean men men are starting to catch on, SHUT IT DOWN!
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>>53339002
Because only the smallest, weakest, and most liberal humans would get fucked by elves.
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>>53335430
>OP wants to shill Altmer
>posts a rare Chimer beauty

What did he mean by this?
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>>53347442
He's a retard. Welcome to the parts of /tg/ that doesn't play traditional games.
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>>53335430
... Except Orcs, Redguard, Bretons, and Dunmer are all still objectively better than them at just about everything. Bretons and Dunmer are better magic users, and a single Orc or Redguard can literally mow through dozens of Altmer 'warriors' with ease. That's right, I said it. Orcs are better than Altmer. Orsimer, the literal Shit Elves, are superior to the weak-ass gold-trash Altmer.

And that's not even mentioning the Argonians. Remember the oblivion crisis? That hting that threatened the entire world except their homeland? Because when Oblivion invaded Blackmarsh, the Argonians invaded back, conquered all they saw, then fucked off back to their swamps to float around and enjoy the loot.
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>>53336059
>Have the best looking chicks of all races.
That's the Dunmer, you dolt
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>>53345712
There is no DEldar there, you retarded monkeigh
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>>53344807
>>53344047
>characters like Barenziah wouldn't be legendary beauties if all the elves looked like ayy lmaos.

Perhaps other races and cultures have their own standards of beauty? Mayans had a thing for slanted forehead, crossed eyes, and huge noses.

Some people like the skyrim art because it breaks the mold of 'nordic person with pointed ears' that's been beaten to death.
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>>53351064
I like how the elves look desu

I like it alot
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>>53347592
Altmer live 20 times as long as orcs, have twice the intelligence, and mages canonically fuck all but the most plot armored warriors hard.

Orcs are free the niggers of mer
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>>53347592
Altmer live 20 times as long as orcs, have twice the intelligence, and mages canonically fuck all but the most plot armored warriors hard.

Orcs are the niggers of mer

>b-but muh beserk that lasts for one minute
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>>53336480
Gameplay bullshit, I could argue that any mage worth his salt will have potions that fortify destruction damage ten thousand fold.
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>>53336515
Not all altmer are magically gifted, and you need foot soldiers to protect your lighter skirmish troops.
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>>53336729
But they wuz Gods and shit

Lorkhan fucked over men too
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>>53336769
Last time I checked there's no blades any More, thalmor agents act freely across the empire, and talos can no longer be worshipped.

They lost, infact men would have probably gotten shoah'ad had they not pulled off that battle you mentioned
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>>53337038
Orcs are niggers

Nords are canonically bigger and stronger, all orcs can do is rage for a little bit.
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>>53342943
I believe it was implied skyrim is independent now, the empire still has cyrodil, highrock, and some other province tho
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>>53347592
Warriors a shit, and its known that altmer warriors are actually very good as they have hundreds upon hundreds of years to master their skills.

Bretons and dunmer are statistically weaker at magic.

Also im not counting the argonians, the argonians and the hist are powerful but they don't descend from the aedra.
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>>53335430
It does not matter to M'aiq how strong or smart one is. It only matters what one can do.
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Imagine the contrast between your cum and her ash skin. Who needs godhood when you have that?
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>>53335430
>>>/vg/
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>>53353160
Amen to that
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>>53335593
welcome to the elderscrolls where everyone hates everyone who ain't them
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>>53336480
>Elder Scrolls
>Magic doing nothing
Every mage that matters will have 10000% fortified skills stacked on 100 Chameleon. Altmer literally specialize in something priceless.
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>>53335430
Nice try Thalmor.
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>>53353195
>>>/pol/
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>>53342246
>>Snow demons
who
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>>53335765
>>53338953
The US is hilarious
>hate manlets, yet pay them gazillion bazillions for a chance to make sex symbols out of them
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>>53343182
>that laughing Dunmerfu
I've always wanted to redo her in Skyrim but I fucking can't
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>>53335430
I can think of better elves who'd practice eugenics consider themselves top-tier.
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>>53353449
>>>/trash/
I don't even now what you are about.
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>>53353537
>"I can think of better elves"
>posts some orcish/uruk-hai looking motherfucker

You idiot.
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>>53335430
I agree with all of those points. You forgot their major drawback though:

Their faces.
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>>53335430
Because a big Argonian Warlord could bit their head off without issue.

I have absolutely no idea why Argonians are primarily a DEX race.
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>>53345712
>>53345792
Your tears taste surprisingly sweet.
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>>53353537
this >>53353559

Dude stop posting those orcish looking guys IN AN ELF MAJORITY thread.
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>>53353537
>spoiled their chance to create a literal Kwisatz Haderach because some elf king was faggot and couldn't get it up
>their current leader has the personality of an edgy 12 year old that makes his avatar a Grim Reaper on all the forums
>destroying perfectyl fine potential colonies by permanent frost just because they wanted to go sightseeing
>their king and 3 generals were killed by a hobo with a sword
>their interdimensional army was killed by bunch of drunk vikings and roman wannabies
>"better" elves
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>>53353590
That woudl require anon to actually play the games, which I doubt at this point.
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>>53353626
Well guess what, nobody gives a fuck about your opinions
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>>53353622
>their interdimensional army was killed by bunch of drunk vikings and roman wannabies

Make that "their interdimensional army was killed by bunch of typical drunken slavs." So yeah, basically an army of macho-bara-beefcake elves/scandinavians got beat by basically pic related.
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>>53353634
But thanks for (You), really appreciate it.
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>>53353600
Because in game they're primarily stealthcasters, maining Conjuration.
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>>53353481
>mfw when I live in a world, where my dunmer wife wont cuck me...
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>>53353160
But that's not how Dunmer look at all.
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>>53353714
>inb4 not taller, normal human looking face, normal human looking eyes, its shit.
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>>53353736
Her eyes aren't normal and Dunmer are in the middle when it comes to the height of the standard TES elves. Please use your autism more carefully.
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>>53353778
Even though that guy is a retard, I have to agree with him regarding eyes: Dunmer eyes should be fully red. Thats one of their charms
And for Hells sake, stop replying to that guy
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>>53353820
>And for Hells sake, stop replying to that guy
To what guy?
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>>53335430
Shut up, Toby. We've had this argument 40 times and even included the professor.
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>>53336059
>Bretons
Have a history of getting raped by:
>The Nords
>Redguards
>Orcs
>Empire
>Ayleids

>Wood Elves
>got repeatedly raped by fucking furries

>any of these
>master anything
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>>53343495
>crossposter
>turns out to be cancer and has cancerous opinions

WHAT
A
TWEEEEST
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>>53344047
>>
I want to make a TES VR just to fight and die for my dream : Dunmers and only Dunmers everywhere. On tamriel, Nirn, Oblivion, Aetherium, shit we'll also invade the fucking god-head then escape from his nostrils and invade again and again untill all of reality is by Dunmers of Dunmers for Dunmers.
Telvanni rocks.
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>>53339302
Yiff in hell, Nords and Bosmer a best
ohmes best khaijit
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>>53354818
>Bosmer
>Cannibal lunatic treehumpers.
Shyggalag diggalag
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>>53354840
>steaks and giving elves hot dickings
nigga please, they're best waifus or husbandos
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>>53354869
nah
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Please don't bump the thread if you don't have anything to contribute.
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>>53356732
You mean like you just did?
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>>53356790
>he doesn't know about sage
Please stop being a newfag.
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>>53336935
>this faggot actually thinks 1 bullet = 1 kill

watch less hollywood m8, you can survive getting sprayed by most guns and still be able to shoot back from the ground
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>>53342692
>The Argonians have the Just

Brendan Fraser voicing the Hist confirmed for TESVI
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>>53356860
bump
My contribution is fuck you.
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Bretons are based on the Anglo-Saxons, so it is obvious that they are the most powerful race in TES.
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>>53357575
Not while the !NotRomans are still around
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>>53357575
If anything Nords are more Anglo-Saxon. Just look at the Reach where you have Pict Bretons oppose Nord settlers.
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>>53335430
>altmer are the master race of TES
Name me a single altmer that successfully achieved CHIM. Go on, I'll wait.
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>>53336981
I totally 100% believe all of this, but what're your sources? I want to read up on this crazy shit.
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>these idiots talking out their assessment about longbows and their range
You know European longbows had an effective range of around 350 meters right?
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>>53335750
No I mean they make threads on the master race of OUR earth, not Tamriel's.
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>>53361233
What's CHIM?
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>>53337758
Horses are giant fucking babies.
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>>53362129
>CHIM is a state of enlightenment. When one learns that all of existence is the “dream” of the Godhead (an unknowable entity), they will come to one of two conclusions—that they do not truly exist, or that they do exist as themselves in spite of all logic to the contrary. While the former realization results in them ceasing to exist (called zero-summing), the latter (that is, saying “I am” in the face of “You are not”) results in achieving CHIM. Achieving CHIM is very difficult and only Vivec and Tiber Septim are known to have done it.

>The state of CHIM is being a part of the dream that has “woken up”. To achievers of CHIM, reality becomes a lucid dream, and they can shape or change it to their whim. For example, Tiber Septim used CHIM to change the jungles of Cyrodiil into more habitable temperate grasslands.
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>>53339117
Welcome to /tg/.
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>>53353160
> cumming on someone instead of in someone

Lame.
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>>53335430

They burn like paper, and are physically weaker than the Bosmer. They may have more raw poer, but the Bretons are better mages.

Also, they want to un-make the universe, and are clueless as to why anyone would have a problem with this, so, yeah, they can't be *that* smart.
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>>53364446
They don't give a shit what non-Altmer think, and they think unmaking the world will free all the spirits, aka mortals, to be gods again. Though the truth is that they have become so weakened and debased that they'd dissolve instead of being able to survive, though they don't know that.
>>
Fuck humies
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>>53369249
Why the bump?
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>>53339699
>I don't understand history
Gee it's almost like guns were so superior that, after their refinement, they rapidly replaced bows and archers when available.
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>>53361233
Name a single man that's done that

Answer wisely
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>>53353600
Because they are treedwellin seni-aquatic lizards.
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>>53357104
You can survive modern firearms because they are focused upon accuracy and penetration. .60 caliber arquebus/musket balls or .70 are actually far more damaging than modern day bullets in terms of the cavities they carve out of flesh. Shit in accuracy and penetration, but they collapse organs and blow chunks of meat out of a man. This is part of the reason why they replaced bows in terms of sheer lethality, along with cheap training periods compared to the decade spent making an archer.
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>>53361843
Oh, well they probably sympathize with the nazis / nordics the most. Maybe the east asians
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>>53369354
This, muskets are brutal against small targets

They wont do shit against anything bigger than a horse though, bears routinely take large amounts of musket shots before going down.


And elephants take 40-100+ musket balls to take down
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>>53369349
Tiber Septim?
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>Elves
>Not being annihilated wherever they're found
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>>53369446
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>>53336981
Aragonians only got that far because the vast majority of Dagon's forces were in Cyrodil.
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>>53338910
>Or how about the time the Dunmer HAD to give a fuck about the Argonians after the Red Mountain exploded?


>Wow those guys got rekt by explosions time to show them our superior ability to defeat them
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>>53369476
absorbs your spell
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>>53371084
*25 percent of my spell

>vaporizes you with lightning storm
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>>53335593
anyone who calls anyone on this godforsaken shithole "sweetie" is a tranny
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>>53336935
>>53337657
>>53336744
I think another factor was training time, wasn't it?

It took years and years to be good with a bow, months and months with a crossbow, but with a gun you only really needed weeks.
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>>53335430
Other races might be statisticly and lorewise better, but is any race as fun as khajiit?

>sneak up to someone in broad daylight and they still can't see you for shit
>steal so hard you even steal their sexual identity so they think they're a little girl.
>proceed to ride away on your brother who is a cat the size of a house because lunar lattice
>go home and proceed to get so high you may or may not end up on one of the moons
>also: out punch even orcs in bar fights
>and your wife squeezes out a housecat kitten for a daughter, also because lunar lattice.
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>>53369349
BIG JUNGLE
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>>53372512
They are pretty good.
I just like Argonians a bit more.
Still go outta my way to help them out when I see them, though.
Especially in Oblivion.
DOWN WITH COUNT CARO!
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>>53373410
Oy vey
>>
I think now is the time to let the thread die.
>>
In strange eons even death may die, but this thread won't.
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>>53376760
Well TGESG did just die
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>>53339193
Friendly reminder that a literal nobody could easily kick both your and Slutmalexia's asses despite your "godhood".
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>>53369349
That'd be Talos, you pathetic little milksop faggot.

Care to try making something of it?
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>>53335999
They're not just the product of Altmer fucking Nedic slaves. They're a genetic engineering product, the Dinnari intentionally controlled the breeding with their slaves to get the result they wanted.
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>>53339815
>occasionally overbearing
>Threatening Poland if they don't take in murderous muslims.
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>>53338846
>Thrassian Plague?
Not Argonians. That was Sload.
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>>53336059
>>Are the fantasy equivalent of Jews.
Nah. They're clearly the fantasy equivalent of Anglos.

>All the same characteristics as the Jews
>Live on an island nation
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>>53341802
Don't forget how even small children know and play with magic, and basically everyone is a hedge mage or witch.
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>>53343182
>And stop demanding that everyone pretends eldar are tall greys because of one piece of art. I know it's you you faggot.
He seriously does that? Despite all the more recent art being different?
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>>53379093
But the Argonians were unaffected by it, is the point I was getting at.
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>>53378105
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>>53379600
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>>53380759
Would be better if it was next to a statue of Auriel desu
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>>53372370
It is an ebin may may
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>>53376760
We are on our way to 350 posts lad
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>>53380759
That's just console command tho

Justiciars annihilating talos fags daily is cannon
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>>53361233
Reminder that Vivec's CHIM is just the heart''s powers.
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>>53382388
I don't think that's true, anon.
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>>53382730
Page 11 bump
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>>53384580
Why?
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>>53361734
And could barely hurt armored men for most of that distance. Energy loss is a bitch.
>>
This is a really stubborn thread, innit?
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>>53385476
Innit?
>>
Except altmer aren't the masterrace in the lore. The lore is very very fucking definite on the imperials being above everyone else.
>normal ass humans compared to half-breeds and snow giants and universe travelling nuclear sword people
>they are the special snowflakes by being normal as fuck
>they have taken over the world time and time again despite this
>Lorkhan obviously favors them since every known shezzarine is imperial
>TALOS mantled lorkhan and is at least 1/3rd imperial, Ysmir was a DB nord but Hjalti is said to be both a breton and an imperial, while Zurin was without a doubt one
>Imperials fractured the akatusk, something the elves could never do
>elves have never outnumbered imperials
>only imperials could control the red diamond
>P E L I N A L W H I T E S T R A K E
>Elves live longer, yes, but imperials outnumber them ans are several times stronger than any elven race
The lore is pretty straightforward that
>altmer try to end the world
>bosmer work with altmer knowing they are a huge threat
>khajiit are brute forced into helping the altmer
>nords do what imperials can't physically
>bosmer do what imperials can't do magically
>dunmer act to disturb this balance through conflict with the nords and khajiit
>Argonians are bodies to protect the hist, the hist catalogues history between kalpas
>redguards are the imperials of the previous kalpa who escaped the destruction of AKA
>imperials are the "chosen race" that must control the world for better or for worse, at least in the current kalpa
>>
A brief history of the Imperial Tharn Family
1e
>HEY FUCK YOU ELVES
>AKATOSH IS NOT AURIEL
>he proceeds to chant this thousands of times until Aka actually fucking breaks apart into several pieces
>him and the rest of his order go around screaming and chanting knowing they have eternally fucked time, and they are proud of it
>a thousand year dragonbreak happens because of this
2e
>HEY FUCK YOU EMPEROR
>he sides with mannimarco in fucking the empire, summoning Molag Bal to the mundus and causing the three banners war
>it was a literal inside job
>decides he wants to side with the empire again
>helps defeat molag bal begore fucking off with Chim El-Adabal never to be seen again
>his 17 goddamned children were all necromancers, emperor regents or high ranking generals
3e
>HEY FUCK YOU AGAIN EMPEROR
>sends his ass to the motherfucking shadow realm
>turns himself into the emperor
>spends literal years shoving his cock into the throat of the empire
4e
>nothing that we know of, yet
>>
>>53339302
>>53339389
Yiff in hell.
>>
>>53338910
>but an Argonian slave chick was possessed by a tree and led an army of mind slaves to the rescue?
FTFY
>>
>>53388425
I love Jagar Tharn and his comically evil ways.
>>
>>53388338
>Imperials actually are the chosen people
>>
>>53388338
Fracturing of Aka was said to be by members of all the races who worshiped some aspect of the deity, who were all joined together in the Marukhati for their mutual hatred of each other and desire that they shouldn't share the same deity.
>>
Why was Almalexia such an uninteresting character?
>>
>>53388895
She's a shallow bitch and her story reflects that.
>>
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>>53388425
>2e
Abnur was still the best of the Five Companions though in terms of dialogue.
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>>53382730
If it isn't why did he flip his shit and scrambled for piece when someone who actually had CHIM came along.
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>>53389907
peace*
>>
>>53336059
Not to mention, Wood Elves have the best vampires too. Valenwood Vampirism is fucking METAL compares to regular TES Vampirism.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire#Valenwood
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>>53335430
Can't tell his Altmer form his Chimer.
Stupid n'wah.
>>
A reminder that Children of the Sky are the Masterrace

>Shor gives your race a personal paradise for fighting for him against the other gods provided you die honorably
>Kyne has a dragon teach you the Thu'um
>descend from fucking giants
>kill all the Elves in Atmora
>move to Skyrim, kill all the Elves there too
>500 Companions genocide a race of Elves that were basically cold Altmer
>spend your afternoons BTFOing elves, using your Thu'umcunts to just up and fucking shout apart the gates of shitty elven cities
>start the first Empire of men on Tamriel (imperials forget this)
>Imperials are basically half-Nords
>by the events of ESV, Nords are the only race of men besides Redguards (also incredibly badass) who aren't willing cucks
If you take the human philosophy to mankind and his place in Mundus, the Nordic tradition is the only way to go. Everything else is a shitty compromise that doesn't do the overall dynamic justice.
>>
>>53390267
He's a waifufag, don't expect anything.
>>
>>53390325
Oh yeah, I almost forgot
>overthrow fucking dragons
>>
>>53335430
Because they're ugly
>>
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>Builds city under the 10th page.
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>>53392977
You won't gain anything from dragging this thread to autosage.
>>
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>>53393123
k
>>
>>53393209
Have another bump.
>>
>>53392977
I don't care what anybody says, but these are elves.
>>
>>53393261
Well yeah, that's why their name has mer in it. Just like the orsimer.
>>
>>53339815
Guess you lived in USSR then.

What kolhoz were you at, comrade?
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RAWR BRING ME MORE DUNMER WHORES
>>
>>53390325
>Bunch of warmongering special snowflake savages
>Turn homeland into shit with constant war
>Bring this to Tamriel and kill the Native inhabitants
>Steal their writing script
>Become mama gods gud bois and get special shouting powers
>Still lose to Mer and throw away the Thu'um after it didn't work once
>Fade into irrelevancy
>Get absorbed by Reman Cyrodiil who has to save you from Akaviri
>Even the Nord founder of the empire realizes how awful Skyrim is and moves to superior Cyrodiil
>Chimp out at the Empire at the most important moment

Nords are the worst race
>>
>>53390122
Fanciful tales.
>>
>>53396300
>>Bunch of warmongering special snowflake savages
Greater mankind, name of Elves
>>Turn homeland into shit with constant war
Since when was Skyrim peaceful that didn't involve f*lmer
>>Bring this to Tamriel and kill the Native inhabitants
Elves had it coming
>>Steal their writing script
You speak a Germanic language with a Latin script
>>Become mama gods gud bois and get special shouting powers
Kyne best goddess
>>Still lose to Mer and throw away the Thu'um after it didn't work once
Because it's meant to honor the gods, not to fallate yourself
>>Fade into irrelevancy
Wrong
>>Get absorbed by Reman Cyrodiil who has to save you from Akaviri
Imperials are half-Nord
>>Even the Nord founder of the empire realizes how awful Skyrim is and moves to superior Cyrodiil
Up next: Japanese Emperor visits Manchuko
>>Chimp out at the Empire at the most important moment
Imperials are cucks
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