/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

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>>53328639
HAHAHAHAAH

MAGEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>53328659
>Fairest

Baba Yaga

I dare you to tell her she isn't.

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>We're doing the splat war thing again

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>Mages

>>53328707
What would you rather talk about?

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I just realized this is Dhaunae De Vir as well.

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>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all

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>>53328703
>I dare you to tell her she isn't.

She's dead, Jim.

>>53328725
Literallly anything. Why the jews are the real bad guys in WoD I don't care.
Talk about lewd stuff

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She could impersonate me any day

>>53328659
Absimiliard, before his embrace.

>>53328782
We know that the Underworld has ghostly orgies going on, but does the Shadow have places where you can fuck a spirit? Presumably while giving them your 'essence'?

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>>53328782
>Talk about lewd stuff

Let's talk about shitty vampiric puns and/or pick-up lines that we'd say to Damsel, and see how long it'd take for her to blow a fuse.

I'll start:

"You sound English. How 'bout I show you a BLOODY good time?"

>>53328826
I would assume so. I mean, it'd be easy enough to say the bacchus from that one greek/roman play was a real thing and those spirits live on to the modern day. Lust is a pretty easy emotion to rouse up, I imagine some spirit would get an orgy cult going.

>>53328639

Not even relevant. The Archspheres are too broad for that to even matter. Why didn't you post the other parts of the page explaining this?

What was bad about 1st ed Changeling the Lost that you would like to see fixed in 2nd ed?

>>53328863
Was she ever a real person in the books or was she original for the game? Also you might want to be careful about posting stuff like that.

>>53329036
Most of it was pretty okay all things considered. I just wanted to see redone contracts, those things were all fucking over the place. Some were totally useless some were pretty broken. I like the idea of the new contracts, still on one to five dot scale you buy any you want to, but can't remember off the top of my head if they were any good.

>>53329045
Everyone in the game except for Beckett and Jack were game exclusive.
I hope they somehow get them in V5

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>>53329045

Original. I think all NPCs except Jack and Beckett were made up solely for Bloodlines.

Redemption had Ecaterina, Rudolf and a few others from the Dark Ages: Vampire books.

>>53329081
>>53329086
>Jack and Beckett
Oooohh what were they're roles int he books?

>>53329066
I get you. Personally I thought the Pledge crafting system could have been formatted better and maybe streamlined a bit. Also, the penalties for high Wyrd seemed to mostly just be inconveniences that would bog the game down.

>>53329125
Beckett's kind of their signature character, he's a vampire archaeologist constantly on the look out for Book of Nod apocrypha, also the Gehenna novel has him as the main character.

Jack's a Brujah who dates back to the 1st edition clanbook and makes his living in the Anarch Free States- somewhat of a mentor to them.

>>53329125

Jack likes to stir up shit, because reasons.

And Beckett's a skeptical scholar investigating the origins of Kindred and all the myths surrounding them.

I just went to the wikia for WW stuff and got this list of where Smiling Jack is from:

VTM: Clanbook: Brujah, p. 66
VTM: Clanbook: Brujah Revised, p. 95
VTM: Encyclopaedia Vampirica, p. 152-153
VTM: Guide to the Anarchs, p. 161-162
VTM: Gehenna: The Final Night
VTM: Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
VTM: Clanbook: Brujah, p. 69

And this here is for Beckett:

VTM: The Book of Nod Bullet-pdf Bullet-nip (Commentary)
VTM: Lay Down With Lions Bullet-pdf (Second book of the Year of the Scarab Trilogy)
VTM: Land of the Dead Bullet-pdf (Third book of the Year of the Scarab Trilogy)
VTM: Vampire the Masquerade: Beckett Bullet-pdf (Comic Book)
VAV: Victorian Age Vampire Book III of III: The Wounded King Bullet-pdf (Contains probably the only canon sex scene he's ever been involved in on pg. 201-205)
VTM: Transylvania Chronicles IV: The Dragon Ascendant
VTM: Nights of Prophecy, p. 127 (House of Lies)
VTM: Time Of Thin Blood, p. 50-54 (Commentary)
VTM: Gehenna: The Final Night
VTM: Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
VTM: Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption (Online promotional material)

>>53328733

>that arm

>>53329045
>Also you might want to be careful about posting stuff like that.

Why? It's not like it's showing nipples or private parts, so it's SFW.

>>53329172
I really don't like the new pledge system. I get that it could get a little crazy in 1e and also they wanted to tone things down from demon contracts but I really liked them. Things like swearing to watch out for each other and the one that let mortals see you're true form were always really cool to me and I really liked that one marriage pledge.

>>53329337
I know, but mods are kind of inconsistent with this stuff. Sometimes even just a risque pic is enough for a warning or short ban for some random reason.

>>53329207
>VTM: Gehenna: The Final Night
Wh-what chapter? What's he doing in there?

>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all in the World of Darknes?

>VtM
Saulot

>WtA
Queen Ananasa

>MtA
Technocracy

>>53329351
Oh have they revealed the new pledge system? I haven't really been in the loop. I think 1e's pledge system was mostly just fucked up because poor book formatting.

>>53329738
Yup. Easy to miss, it was in that giant everything in one update
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2K8R3qXyDyoZEgzZ0U0V1M0Wk0/view
Basically nothing, just impose random penalties on someone if they promise to do something and don't. Oaths and bargains are what pledges used to be but a lot more limited.

>>53329712
He travels around the world trying to stop Gehenna.

He fails

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What makes mages ideal husbandos?

>>53329836
>Anything supernatural
>Relationship material
Have fun living in a nightmare world.

>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all in the World of Darknes?
Lucifer, of course.

>>53329796
Ah, I see. Thank you.

>>53328733
wtf is this pic?

>>53329836
I assume because they're the most human.

>>53328794
>>53328814
I love these, who is the artist?

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>>53329836
>>53329845
>Not dating a 9 feet tall bara wolfman
Shit taste desu

>>53329913
Christopher Shy

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Do you have cute apprentices?

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>>53331029
You can say that.

Any art/pictures of feminine female werewolves? Tired seeing the rebel gang look.

Are the Kuei Jin usually just bad guys or are there ever Kuei Jin PCs?

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>>53329836

>>53331101

Well there's a whole bunch of KOTE sourcebooks so I assume so.

>>53326572
Don't forget Hill posted about how OPP won't be paying him either.

>>53328730
... how did you NOT realize that was Dhaunae?

>>53329712
Beckett? He's traveling around the world investigating Gehenna and getting involved in all kinds of shenanigans like the Camarilla's fall, and Caine coming back into the world as a chill dude posing as a Malkavian.

Jack has fucked off to join the Thin Bloods as a hippe Gehenna prophet and gets murdered for his trouble.

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>>53331522
Forgot my pic

>>53331581
Couldn't he honestly just have sucked it up and stuck with it until the shit was out and he got paid?

I mean goddamn, some people are fucking shitheads, especially Zak.
But enough to throw away your payment over?

>>53331852
Who knows. I don't know what goes through his head, personally. I've looked in and out of his twitter. At one point after he quit he was going to make a vampire game 'about monsters, but not written BY monsters' and he stopped doing that, then he's made a 'Southern California Vampire' novel. He talks incessantly about politics and shit which makes no sense unless you're hyper-left.

>>53331917
This is your brain on Communism

>>53331412
The heart wants what the heart wants anon

>>53329036

You know, changelings got their kiths loosened or supposedly erased entirely, but Dave couldn't even make Warlocks of Arcadia canon.

How are the different werewolf tribes likely to react to a group of humans killing one of the host.

>>53332092
Mostly, good job human, I guess? I don't see why they would prticularly care beyond it being mildly impressive.

>>53332092
Other than the whole "the prey must not know", or them getting pissy that they'd done it on their home turf, I can't see any reason they'd care other than perhaps being moderately impressed.

Also from a meta perspective, are Hosts just weird spirits, or creatures from the Lower Depths?

>>53327308
Bane: Young boys in tights.

>>53331852

Think about how long it takes for an OPP book to come out even without delays. Then remember that you only get paid when the book gets published if you're a dev, and half on final and half on publishing if you're just a writer.

Might as well ditch the pay if you're not enjoying the work anymore, since the rate of pay pretty much means that things don't change very much.

>>53332757
I'd guess they're just their own thing.

How about Jack Skellington from a Nightmare Before Christmas as a Namtaru Predator who has Kinship with Changelings, Sin-Eaters and likely more? He is probably the Apex of whatever game he is in. Halloween Town is his Lair, with Chambers being shared with other Beasts of his Brood. He would impose the Wondrous (Halloween Decorations And Monsters) Lair Trait on the Hive. His plan to kidnap Santa Claus was due to his identity crisis over being a monster that has to spread fear over and over, but he eventually embraced who he was and defeated a much worse Beast (Oogie Boogie), possibly earning his Incarnate Inheritance in the process. Santa might have been a high level Changeling who was kidnapped through the use of cold iron and his Frailties. Jack's mortal identity might be a party organizer and wise aristocrat, as a reference to how much he loves holidays and books, as well as that classy look he has.

It could be interesting to make Jack a regular but powerful Beast, and he asks the PCs to help him kidnap Santa. He could use his high social standing to do all kinds of favors for them in return, and the PCs could take the plot of the movie in alternate directions if they wanted. They might end up with an Incarnate Jack as a friend, or an enemy. You could even set up Oogie Boogie as a rival Beast who tries to bribe the PCs to mess up Jack's plan. Oogie Boogie could be a Namtaru Ravager. He poses as an owner of respectable casinos and such, but he's actually a crook who loves to make people think they can win easy money and then ruins their lives by crushing them with debt, sometimes even secretly hiring his victims as "assistants" (read: criminals). And he has a grudge against Jack because Jack built his reputation on shutting down some of Oogie's operations.

>>53329721

But isn't that what YOU'RE doing, anon?

:^)

If a spirit has claws that deal lethal damage does a vampire take lethal damage or bashing?

>>53333315
Stuff like that is ultimately up to ST fiat. But if the claws or whatever are represented by an actual Numen, I'd say there is room for aguing that it deals lethal to vampires.

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>>53331412
The Hunter wouldn't be too bad. I'd get to comfort and treat my wife after she's had a long day kicking supernatural ass. Also Buffy jokes, so many Buffy jokes.

>>53333515
Didn't DaveB say that Buffy is closer to a Deviant?

If you used any of the CoD fansplats in your games, which would they be and why?

>>53331565
I heard those Gehenna novels were shit.

Would it be wrong to say they are going by your summary?

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>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all in the World of Darkness?

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>>53328659
Whoever this is.

>>53333804
I really enjoyed the Gehenna novel, but it's mostly Beckett bouncing around like a pinball and things getting crazy. I wouldn't call it shit. It's not the best of them, but it's servicable and entertaining.

>>53333315
Vampires "transform" lethal damage to bashing damage only in the case of bullets (oWoD). Usually claws from supernatural beings deal aggravated damage.

>>53334056
He's talking NWoD, that doesn't apply.

>>53333900
This is one of the dumbest looking images of the entire white wolf books. Jesus fucking christ. I hate this fucking chick so much, it burns.

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>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all in the World of Darkness?

>Who's the swolest of them all?

>>53334246
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Can anyone please explain to me why the developers of Changeling The Lost 2ED were changed recently? I thought it was almost done. No rumors, please.

>>53334661
David HIll quit because NuWW hired a person to write their mobile game, and ostensibly work on V5, who Hill claims harassed him when he lived in the US (note that Hill lives in Tokyo).

They were apparently expecting this and having someone do rewrites on parts of the book near the end there and apparently there was some double work being done by Hill and someone else.

>>53334721
That's awful. Here's hoping that Hill is OK.

>>53334752
He's fine. He rants 24/7 on his twitter about politics, due to his self-affirmed Communist views. He chose to quit and not get paid, becuase it's work for hire what he was writing.

>>53334774
All I remember is that the guy hill says was stalking him is apparently some megacunt.

What books go into detail on 6+ powers?

>>53334774
I'm not a huge fan of his work but he deserves better than what Swedish Dracula is doing

>>53329902
Purified girl. They can see spirits in twilight, the one on her shoulder is her familiar and the hornets are some sort of pest spirit that eat people's thoughts

>>53335120
Six plus what? Gifts? Disciplines? Arcana? Do you mean WoD or CoD?

Anybody got V20 Dark Ages Companion yet?

>>53335220
Any and all please and thank you

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>Who is the fairest of them all

>>53335236
The only one I know is the Imperial Mysteries supplement for Mage The Awakening 1ED, which gives instructions on how to play Archmages. It also has a sidebar with suggestions on how to roughly measure the stats of entities with Rank 6+.

>>53335240
What's this from? Also is this a jojo reference?

>>53335346
>What's this from?
Innocents. Can't have bad things happening to kids, even in WoD.

>Also is this a jojo reference?
I assume so

>>53335120
>OWoD
10 dot Disciplines were defined in the End Times books I believe.
6 dot Spheres were mentioned in Horizon: Stronghold of Hope
10 dot Spheres were exemplified in Masters of the Art.
6 dot abilities are also made explicit in both Werewolf & Mummy, but the supplements elude me.

The various high-level abilities were not made with balance in mind; Archspheres blow 6+ Disciplines out of the water by miles.
Use them at your own risk.

>NWoD
Only Mages have 6+ capabilities as described in Imperial Mysteries.
A much more coherent system.

There's a book that describes 6+ spirit powers in Nwod right?

okay but where is Rio tho

>>53335437
Ssshhh

You don't need Rio

Ssssssshhhhhhh

>>53335437
Does your life depend on it?

>>53335437

Someone go ask atamajakki.

>>53335424
Yes, Imperial Mysteries

>>53335522
No I meant Spirits, not Mages

>>53335523
Imperial Mysteries has subtle rules for 6+ entities.

They're not set-in-stone but are used for the ease of convenience.

>>53335353
Well I went and checked and it's from chapter fiction where the spirit defends the girl from a pedo so that's bleak.
Also why doesn't the main game use faults and assets? Seems pretty nice to me

Realistically, would a Methuselah/Antediluvian ever antagonize an Archmage?

I'm talking lorewise here.

>>53335692
You can't antagonise an Archmage. They can overwrite reality so that you never existed in the fist place.

>>53335231
check the archive, some anon uploaded it in a previous thread

>>53328659
Marianna of Balador, of course.

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>>53328659
>Who is the fairest of them all in the World of Darkness?

Why are these threads so dead lately?

>>53336507

All the namefags quit.

>>53336507
Nobody has any interesting questions or topics.
And there's nothing new out.

Give us Signs of Sorcery already!

>>53336507
Magefaggotry

>Vigor
>Persistent Ability grants an extra dot of strength
Does this apply to weapon requirements? I'd love to have a Vampire with fighting finesse using his 1 dot of vigor to substitute for strength requirements.
Also does the activated attack ability of vigor apply to weapon finesse attacks?

>>53336583
>Give us Signs of Sorcery already

According to RichT in the comments to this week's Monday Meeting Notes, DaveB is unfortunately dealing with some serious personal issues.

I wouldn't expect Signs of Sorcery to leave Development, no less complete editing, art, layout, approval and publication, any time soon.

>>53336695
PERFIDIOUS ALBION

Anyone else realize that the Yakuza/Ryu Ga Gotoku games are perfect as Vampire campaigns.

Hell the real estate royale side missions in Yakuza 0 are a campaign in and of itself. Just throw in rival vamps like anarchs or sabbat and boom you got it

>>53336583
>>53336695

>samefag

>>53336695
What is it even waiting on?
I mean, I had thought it was pretty much all written.

>>53336749
Nice try

>>53336749
>What is it even waiting on?
>I mean, I had thought it was pretty much all written.

I believe Dave's attention was probably diverted when he became the Deviant developer, and given Rich's comments. Dave's probably not worked much on either line for months.

>>53336788
I'd rather have a well thought out supplement that takes time to put forth than some milked product.
You might as well complain about George R R Martin's writing pace, anon.

It will happen when it happens. Patience is a virtue.

>>53336808
Yeah, but it's so much easier to trigger your vice.

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Can a Vampire regenerate a split open head?

And if so how many times?

>>53337296
As far as I know, a vampire can regenerate any wound that is not immediately fatal or a stake through the heart, as long as they have enough Vitae. Surviving a wound that should kill a human is a Breaking Point for Humanity in Reqiuem, though.

>>53337476

Stake to the heart only paralyzes them, no?

>>53337476
The way i read the rules a thing that kills a human sends them into topor and only aggravated damage can deliver the final death

>>53337500
If you keep tearing into a vampire lethal damage becomes aggravated eventually.
So if a vampire is in torpor and you keep spraying gunfire into their coffin they'll hit final death eventually.

>>53337553
Yea thats what i thought too

>>53337489
It sends them into Torpor, yes

>>53329036
>What was bad about 1st ed Changeling the Lost that you would like to see fixed in 2nd ed?

Get rid of dreams shit. It was pointless and didnt contribute to anything.

>>53337560
Vampires do heal from damage notoriously fast though, as well as being ridiculously durable to the point where shooting a vampire is about as effective as punching a human. You CAN shoot a vampire to death, but you can also punch a human to death.
As long as a vampire has blood and isn't in torpor he can heal, and some vampires won't torpor if they're frenzied.

Alright im the guy who asked for advice a couple of days back and im doing Milwaukee by Night with my group right now
>group of 3 malk, toreador, tremere
>malk + toreador players having fun
>tremere just muted his mic after 2 hours (we're playing over teamspeak) did the rolls but didn't put any effort into playing the game
>i asked him what was up he just clammed up
>after a while he said he didnt like something about the game and the way i gm'd
>i asked him what specifically was wrong so we could change that in the future
>he just ignored me

Now a part of me is really upset that he disrespected me the group and the game and another part of me is worried

Do i kick him out or do i try to force him to tell me what the fucks going on

What would the various Groups Of Interest from the SCP Foundation universe be in the CoD?

Foundation = Hunter Conspiracy

Global Occult Coalition = Another Hunter Conspiracy, likely part of Task Force VALKYRIE. They'd have access to Second Sight-like Endowments and more.

Are We Cool Yet = A bunch of mortals with advanced magic item crafting abilities organized in a dadaist, 4chanesque way

Church Of The Broken God = large scale God-Machine Cult

The Factory = God-Machine Infrastructure co-opted by the Abyss or a Lower Depth?

Herman Fuller's Circus Of The Disquieting = A rag tag bunch of misfits travelling and perfoming together for mutual protection and being in a family, has beings and items from several splats

Marshall Carter & Dark = Ashwood Abbey turned up to 11

Serpent's Hand = a Nameless Order of Mages and lesser sorcerers that make their base of operations in a Mysterious Place that connects many points in the cosmology and holds vast arcane knowledge.

Doctor Wondertainment = Godlike Spirit of Toys and Fun? A Genius? Malfunctioning God-Machine Angel?

>>53337764
correction: he muted his mic after 4 hours of play then we just stopped - we planned a 6 hour session

maybe it was because he was tired but later he told me it was "multiple reasons" without mentioning anything specific - which annoyed me to no end

>>53337764
Bastard isn't expressing himself. Kick him.

You'd think that maybe he was just shy, but he sounds like a total douche.

General opinions on the fansplats for CoD?

>>53338228
Only one I've read is Genius.
And that reads like a shittier version of Ascension.

I've mostly just heard that Princess is too odd to mesh with the rest of the universe, and that the rest are utter shite.

>>53338263
There is a team of people on the Onyx Path forums trying to fix Genius and update it to 2ED.

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>>53338336
>trying to fix Genius

>>53338263
I feel like Princess is actually pretty good, matches the darkness of the rest of the universe even if the characters don't realise how dark the world around them is.
Nothing says a Princess has to be a little girl either.

>>53338346
Their discussion thread has 657 replies, and they have preliminary rules in Google Docs. I say there's a chance they can do it.

>>53338336
>fix Genius
I hope they've at least ditched the "Mulder's Lament" concept.
That they don't bother to hide the existence of their super-tech from the world, in a setting filled with Supernaturals who go to extreme lengths to hide, was pretty retarded.

Also the focus on retarded super-soft sci-fi concepts was entirely stupid.

The thing I love about Awakening is that it accepts almost NONE of the shit it uses symbolically actually works. It's the metaphor it stands for that they use.
They don't wave their mystic wand because that DOES anything, they wave it because that symbolically represents their command of the universe, which they can slot into their imago to reinforce it.

>>53338393
OK, I must admit that I'm a part of the team. Regarding the need for a stronger masquerade in Genius, we are considering bringing back the Secret War, but keeping it open ended and customizable in order to maintain that toolbox feel of the CoD.

The focus on disproven scientific theories as frameworks for Wonders will likely be removed, as well.

>>53338393
Thoroughly reading into the various sources of magic in fictional works is always a pleasure.

I do love the symbolism behind Awakening, surely more so than the consensual reality of Ascension.

>>53338459

I prefer Imagination as the source in either game, Symbols and Belief are just language used to communicate it.

>>53338459
Yeah, we no. You sprayed your tism all over these threads about it last week.

>>53328935

I'm pretty sure one of the books has an example Shadow cult that worships a Pan/Bacchus-like spirit. It had its members become a debased pleasure cult.

I can imagine such a spirit being the one to bargain with if you want to become luridly attractive or seductively charismatic.

Would Amaterasu from Okami work as an epic Werewolf? I'd call her a Royal Avatar of Helios, but apparently Helios and Luna do not create Royal Avatars.

>>53340039

She might, yeah. Be weird for her to have a solar connection as a woof, but it's a good example of the sorts of things they might achieve.

>>53340082
Yeah, Helios is known for not liking Werewolves very much and for almost never changing his mind. Which makes the fact that she gained his favor even more epic.

Orochi and the true final boss, Yami definitely work as Idigam.

>>53340164
Female form of Yama?

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>>53338228
I generally prefer oWoD to CofD in almost all things, but I'd have to be the biggest liar on the face of this planet to claim that CofD's fansplats don't easily outclass oWoD's. Princess the Hopeful in particular is my shit.

>>53340406
I don't remember any character from Okami or Werewolf with that name.

>>53340605
It's the feminine equivalent of Yama the lord of death and the underworld in Hinduism, Buddhism, and other Asian religions.

>>53337764
I'm the guy who suggested Milwaukee by Night a few days ago.

Oh yeah... never let your players roll malks for their first character. As for your Tremere player? Give him one more chance and then cut his ass.

>>53340865
The malk is actually working out pretty well

Hes doing a split personality malk and im just the split personality while hes the normal guy lol

Hope tremere guy puts some effort in next time - if he plays next week

>>53336808
>George R R Martin's writing pace
But he's slow and his books are trash.

What do you guys think of the idea of Supernatural Merit Templates presented in Hurt Locker? Have you had any ideas for Supernatural Merit Templates of your own?

>>53331939
>>53331917
>>53331852
>>53331581
>Constantly posts far-anarcho-leftist bullshit
>Complains when he doesn't get paid money for his capitalistic labour

Is this what irony is?

>>53335898
Found it, thanks, fucker made it a chore to find, but at least I can read it!
Post number >>53316026

>>53343545

All current labor is capitalist labor, so no, not really.

>>53343545

He's a full-blown Marxist, not an AnCom. Not like the fuckers would know the difference these days.

>>53344083
Well, his Twitter icon for the longest time was the Anarchist Arrows (or whatever you call it) and his bio mentioned something about anarcho-collectivism at one point.

>>53343951
If your professed political philosophy denies personal property, then he shouldn't give a fuck about being paid to stay logically consistent.

At least the Eclipse Phase people release their PDFs for free because of their belief in post-scarcity economics.

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What would pic related be in the CoD? I think they would be Sin-Eaters. Sans' Geist would be W.D. Gaster, but I don't know about Papyrus' Geist.

>>53344247

>denies personal property

Wanting to be paid for personal contracted labor is still compatable with not believing traditional landlord systems and managerial business organization to be personal property. You can participate in a system you hate while still criticising it according to your worldview. Most libertarians still pay taxes, most socialists still participate in a capitalist market and most dominionists still operate in a secular state.

Eclipse Phase is an IP that the people who release it for free own. Hill wants money for a work for hire project because he's contracted to get some for working on a property he does not own. Don't let your personal dislike of someone on the internet make you say silly things, it means they're taking up too much of your headspace.

>>53338263

Best Fansplat coming through Ayy Lmao

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-fPVMwMZdnrJZiJkUVIYKCHTQnfmq0fiLqUhlLBGif4/edit

>>53344427
>Don't let your personal dislike of someone on the internet make you say silly things, it means they're taking up too much of your headspace.

Well that is a good point, I suppose. Thanks, David.

Zak Sabbath is a bigger faggot, and you generally write better material anyway. Come back to OPP, pl0x

>>53344247

That's really stupid, though. A person might believe the best society is collectivist but it doesn't mean it's smart or sane to give away all their property with no guarantee of reciprocity.

>>53339305
>implying only one person prefers Awakening to Ascension

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>>53344683
Go back to Atlantis, Aquaman.

>>53344083
>>53344218
>"Anarchist"
>Supports Japan's gun control policies.

Fuck the police... except the ones that enforce gun and minimum wage laws. They're cool.

>>53328684
Where is that from?

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>>53344781
SOMEONE SAY AQUAMAN?!?

>>53344922

Get out of here, Black Manta, you don't even have a splat!

>>53344781
>he doesn't know that atlantis isn't the true name of the city
>he doesn't know that atlantis is just an allegory for hubris, the central theme of the game
>smug anime girl
Quality shitpost, anon.

>>53345037
Deep sea Beast, Aquaman is his Hero.

>>53345171
WHAT? Have you ever seen Black Manta? If anything, it's the opposite!

>>53345257
Yeah, you're right.

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>>53344781
>>53344683

>Implying hybridizing the two for ultimate magefaggotry isn't the best answer

On an unrelated note, I'm running a Mage/Demon chronicle and have noticed how ridiculous contracts can get when the other party is a Mage.

We have a Demon and a Mage who have a setup where the Mage uses his magic to make bank, become famous, or whatever the Demon needs for a cover and trades it for things like longevity, the true names and social security numbers of prominent Seers, locations of artifacts, etc.

So if it only takes six dots in a sphere to kill Caine. Why does he still exist?

Do archmages know of him?

>>53345484

Of course they do.

Do archmages care about him? No, not really.

>>53345484
>Do archmages know of him?
Yes. They know of him. Gaining primordial knowledge isn't difficult for sufficiently competent Mages.
Voormas acquired the dagger carved from the stone Caine used to kill his brother Abel.

Theoretically, an Archmage COULD (definitely so) annihilate Caine, whether it be six dots or above, but they're too far gone and lofty to really give a damn.

>>53345484
You could end Vampirism entirely by lacing Forces 9 with Prime 6. This includes Caine.

You can't defend against the universe being thrown at you.

>>53345467
I can't believe I didn't think of that before.

There has to be a way this can go wrong.

Is Caine actually weaker than an Archmage or is this just nonsensical Mage wanking?

Do aliens exist in CofD? I'm putting together a minor order/group of allied legacies for my game called the 'Tellurian Travelers'. They travel the universe in arcanotech spacecraft trying to find a world free from paradox and if other life forms can awaken.

They occasionally return to earth to recruit more mages and share whatever oddities they've found. Think a mix of Star Trek, Jules Verne, Event Horizon, and Dune.

>>53345675
Go and have a look at Masters of the Art. It's a terrible supplement and reads like a beta product.

It is however overpowered beyond recognition.

>>53345579

Well the Seers are eventually going to figure it out, find a rival Agency, and start doing it too. That's a given. They may even be better at it.

More immediately, there is a group in Mage called the Austere that I've always viewed as G-M sympathizers.

One of them already lost a Cyborg on Cyborg deathmatch with the Transhuman Engineer, so I'm sure they'd love to find a way to fuck the cabal/ring back.

>>53345743

I posted >>53344430 earlier, but it's a fansplat. That said, between Faeries playing pretend, The Greys in Summoners, references to Aliens running Cheiron in Mortal Remains, and other vague hints, I'd say they don't want to give a definitive answer.

>>53345675
Are you asking this because you're a biased vampfag?
Or perhaps you're just genuinely curious?

I wonder what would happen if everyone unanimously agreed on Archmages being better than Caine.

Would the Magefags lose their purpose?

>>53345850
That implies that magefags are the primary instigators

>>53345850
>I wonder what would happen if everyone unanimously agreed on Archmages being better than Caine.
>Would the Magefags lose their purpose?

No, because the archmages vs. Luna argument would still remain unresolved.

>>53345743
There is no such thing as world free from Paradox/Quiescence/Dissonance. The Exarchs are responsible for maintaining the Lie, and they are not planetary in scope, they are cosmic.

However, if you want Awakened Space Opera, you can simply portray Atlantis as a vast Space Civlization with members from human and alien species. However, the Sundering scattered them all over time and space, and the Exarchs have been trying to keep us from reuniting or even coomunicating, since that could cause a massive increase in the number of Awakenings.

>>53345916
>archmages vs Luna
>unresolved

I'm pretty sure the majority edged out in favor of the Archmages.

>>53345930

That sounds fucking cool, I would play that.

>>53345850
I don't know. Maybe? I only ever support the Archmagi because I value common sense over bias.

>>53345916
You only need Transfiguration to beat Luna by permanently enchanting yourself in various ways to counter spirits of any quality.

Or just get up to Spirit 10 and slap her an automatic Ban.

>>53345467
>>53345579
Gotta remember that the strength of the cover is based off the power of the connection.
So walking into a job as an investment banker with fate and tidily making bank for a week before selling it on wouldn't provide much of a buff.
The demon, if they want a strong cover, would be tempted to go after stuff like family members, closest friends, childhood memories, etc.
(that said if the goal is just making bank, or done over a long period of time, you can easily set up a very tidy little scam.)
But the mage'll always get that little ping on their senses when the pact is formed, reminding them that they could get arcane xp if they just *figured out how this works.*

>>53345930
>There is no such thing as world free from Paradox/Quiescence/Dissonance. The Exarchs are responsible for maintaining the Lie, and they are not planetary in scope, they are cosmic.


I understand. I probably should've given more details about my setting. There exists a legend about an entire planet that was created during the time before a place that escaped whatever the exarchs did. It's considered to be a myth by the majority of awakened but mages that have explored space have found unexplainable phenomena that keeps the myth alive.

>>53345850

Magefag chiming in to say I never cared for the wanking, and "better" is subjective.

More powerful, sure.

However, Caine is a more interesting character than most archmages.

Dante is a garden-variety messiah, Porthos is extremely dangerous comedic relief, and Asswad is just "you lose" with stats attached. Medea's kind of fun, though.

Especially if you show her Caster from Fate.

>>53345981

And somehow avoid the rest of the Pax skullfucking you to death.

>>53346005

True, though it does result in the demons having access to the ability to add "High-paying job," "Windfall," "Fame," or whatever else they can magic up to any existing cover that a demon wanted it for.

Any Demon who wants such a thing for a cover could get it through them.

The Seers will probably set mortals up with these things and force them to sign them away in exchange for things that benefit the Seer. Because, while Mages are bastards, Seers are extra super-duper bastards.

>>53346072
Hey, it's your game, you do you. Personally, I would like to play that. But what would happen if the Seers found out about this place? That's plot hook right there. You gotta be mindful of the implications of stuff like this.

Hay anyone here got the old CD for vampire. You know the character generator and reference one.
I can't find it anywhere and white wolf refuses to sell it.

>>53346238
>Especially if you show her Caster from Fate.

Please, don't taint these threads with anything Fate related.

>>53346238
>And somehow avoid the rest of the Pax skullfucking you to death.
Sure, but just because an action has consequences doesn't mean it's impossible.

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>>53336006
Witch, please.

>>53346357
He didn't say it was impossible. He said it would antagonize the Cold War of the Cosmos.

Having the capabilities to do something doesn't mean you should actually do it.
Killing Luna 1v1 is a serious possibility for a high-level Archmaster, but it won't happen due to the consequences of such.

>>53346392
>Having the capabilities to do something doesn't mean you should actually do it.
>Killing Luna 1v1 is a serious possibility for a high-level Archmaster, but it won't happen due to the consequences of such.
But that hubris tho

>>53346376

inb4 hurl gif

>>53328684
Does this mean a suitably powerful werewolf or vampire can no-sell high level spheres?

>>53346242
>But what would happen if the Seers found out about this place?

Yep. Wizard space pirate ships battling each other on the accretion disk of a black hole. Attacks by space leviathans horrific spirits that live outside the zones of Luna and Helios' protection. Bizarre lifeforms that would make HR Giger lose sleep. etc.

>You gotta be mindful of the implications of stuff like this.

What I love about Mage is the sheer scope of the setting. My hope for the story arc is to instill in my players a sense of dread about their insignificance compared to the scale of reality.

>>53346467
Only with abilities appropriate, yes. Which will nearly never be the case.

But the possibility is still there.

>>53346467
Depends on what is being used. Story considerations etc.
Anon didn't bother to post the latter half of the page explaining this.

Certain Archspheres are absolutely impossible to defend against.

>>53346480
>Yep. Wizard space pirate ships battling each other on the accretion disk of a black hole. Attacks by space leviathans horrific spirits that live outside the zones of Luna and Helios' protection. Bizarre lifeforms that would make HR Giger lose sleep. etc.

That's fucking awesome. Will you storytime that? If so, when and where?

>What I love about Mage is the sheer scope of the setting. My hope for the story arc is to instill in my players a sense of dread about their insignificance compared to the scale of reality.

Try not to be too on the nose about it. Even the supplement for Abyssals advises against it.

What's the most overpowered ability in OWoD?

>>53346670

Forces / Entropy 9, or any Sphere at 10

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>>53346670
Depends, which edition and which game line. But but really all of the spheres other than prime and correspondence. Also celerity was one if not always up there. Opten and demutation were sometimes the most op. 3 dots in the shperes I listed and with like one prime or the other it just can't be beat.

Was there a reason for handing out galaxy busting powers to players? Archmages seem a bit much from my perspective.

>>53346710 just reinforces my views.

>>53347010
Because they demanded it, and it all came about due to a fucking typo

>>53347033

>t. Satyros

>>53347010
It's thematically appropriate, entirely so.

Supreme and unlimited power is focal in Mage.
Both old and new.

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>>53347065

Here we go

Time for a new thread?

>>53347941

We haven't even hit autosage.

>>53332900
I might as well post the sheet I made for this interpretation.

Family: Namtaru
Hunger: Prey
Life: Shy + Scholar
Legend: Unexpected

Mental Attributes: Intelligence 5, Wits 3, Resolve 5
Physical Attributes: Strength 3, Dexterity 5, Stamina 4
Social Attributes: Presence 6, Manipulation 4, Composure 3

Mental Skills: Academics (Holidays, Literature) 4, Computer 1, Crafts 2, Investigation 3, Medicine 2, Occult (Beasts) 4, Politics 2, Science 3
Physical Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 2, Drive 1, Firearms 0, Larceny 2, Stealth 5, Survival 2, Weaponry 0
Social Skills: Animal Ken (Canines) 2, Empathy (Fear) 3, Expression (Oratory, Singing) 4, Intimidation (Shock) 5, Persuasion 3, Socialize (High Class) 4, Streetwise 1, Subterfuge 2

Merits: Area Of Expertise (Fear), Encyclopedic Knowledge (Academics, Occult), Eye For The Strange, Indomitable (Advanced), Interdisciplinary Specialty (Fear), Library (Academics 2, Occult 2), Professional Training 5 (Socialite: Expression, Socialize, Academics), Tolerance For Biology, Double Jointed (Advanced), Iron Stamina 2, Parkour 4, Allies (Several), Barfly, Contacts (Several), Fame 1, Fixer, Inspiring, Iron Will, Resources 4, Retainer (Zero 3), Staff (Socialize 3, Politics 3), Status (High Class 5), Striking Looks 2, True Friend (Sally), Hunger Management 3, Dark Walker 3 (Advanced), Find A Vein (Glamour 5, Essence 5), Wandering Soul 4

Willpower: 8
Defense: 7
Initiative: 8
Speed: 13
Health: 18
Lair: 9

Atavisms: Alien Allure, Dragonfire, From The Shadows, Infestation (Shadowy Bats), Looming Presence, Needs Must, Relentless Hunter, Shadowed Soul, Siren’s Treacherous Song, Unbreakable

Nightmares: Behold My True Form, Run Away, You Are Not Alone, Fear Is Contagious

Horror Traits: Power 12, Finesse 12, Resistance 10, Size 14, Health 19, Defense 8, Initiative 11, Speed 29

Lair Traits: Crosswinds, Echoing, Fog, Poor Light, Sealed Exits, Thunderous, Mirages, Wondrous

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>>53346005

Of course, there are easier sources of such things than a mage or demon.

>>53346345

A bit late for that. See

>>53344781
>>53345467

Been out of the loop for a while. What's this chronicles of darkness stuff?

>>53345981
>You only need Transfiguration
>only
Anon that isn't really a super low hurdle there. There are probably like less than 20 people who have ever gotten to spirit 9, let alone cast the spell.

>>53346467
I'll let you in on a secret
High level stuff like that has literally always worked on plot device and ST say so. If in some game out there a mage fought caine the stats of the two really don't matter, the outcome is always decided by the story.

>>53346670
Tie between politics and expression. An argument could be made for persuasion.

>>53348571
World of Darkness brand was bought again, and they decided to release more oWoD shit.
So to differentiate nWoD from their new "One World of Darkness" brand, nWoD was renamed as "Chronicles of Darkness".
Which was followed with a bunch of shitty old grognards saying that CofD was not the "real" world of dakrness

Personally, I don't really mind.
Means people don't immediately think "oh yeah, that Vampire the Masquerade thing", then I talk about it.
Plus it further distances CofD from the shit of oWoD and its horrendously awfuls devs.

Also means that people don't have the same immediate expectation that it's about the same kind of themes, or in the same universe.

>>53348571
nWoD second edition. Mostly minor mechanical updates.
-Conditions are a new thing. Exactly what they sound like, either last for a scene or permanent, various affects, you get XP if they get incontinent. Replaced derangements.
-Semi proper social system now. 'Doors' equal to resolve + composure, roll an extended action based on the targets disposition, a few other permutations. I wish it was a bit more versatile but then again, rousing speeches only have so much of a place in horror stories.
-Combat got a few tinkers. All weapons do lethal, damage rating is now automatic damage with a success instead of adding to the pool.
-Morality is gone, integrity is in. Less good vs evil more how crazy are you from general wear down from doing stuff
-Individual new stuff across various gamelines, to much to go into in once post. Of note is integrity equivalents are now not just morality+ anymore.

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>>53328659
>Fairest

So is the shadow like the warp from warhammer?

>>53350678
The Shadow is more like Silent Hill. It's a reflection of our world, as our world's issues cause spiritual problems in the shadow, and the shadow's spiritual problems can cause real problems in the real world.

>>53348571
2e edition of NWoD

Mages are still the strongest like always

WHENS MUMMY 2E

Mages aren't the strongest shut the fcuk up

fucking retarded

>>53350678
Kiiiiiiinda? It is psycho-active, and is probably in the shitty state it is because of how reality's pretty fucking nasty and dark in CofD.

However the Shadow isn't really "evil", just predatory.
However one of the most important factors, is that the more people there are, the thicker the gauntlet which holds them back is.

Though we do make really lovely shells for more powerful Spirits to wriggle their way inside and fuse with to prolong their existence within the mortal realm.

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>>53350808

Here's a curious question that invokes some interesting perspective.

If you could redesign CofD from the ground up wholesale, which splat(s) would you make the strongest and why?

>>53328684
Shame they won't say it for nWoD.

>>53350872

Hunters

>>53328733
Aha! Someone mentioned it! Now I can ask: Aside from the one that makes them spirit-chrysalids, and the one that turns them into sort-of-kuei-jin-sorcerer-poets, anyone seen any good fanworks on them?

>>53350872
Existing splat? Mages. The entire point of the game is about being a powerful motherfucker, and tempering that with Wisdom, or going crazy with power and leaving everyone else holding the bag.

Followed by the other existing splats in the order of Demons, then Mummies, then Prometheans, then Werewolves, then Changleings, then Geists, then Vampires, then Hunters.

Fuck Beasts. Literally. Bind them up in the Astral and leave them there for later use.

>>53350886

>the samefag doesn't even know what it's typing anymore

>>53350886
>"the easiest method"
Christ on a bike Anon, easiest doesn't mean best.
Your mother is living proof.

>>53350872
Vampire. We were here first and deserve special treatment. Every other gameline came after because of US not you.

I don't know where Mage got the "UNLIMITED POWAH" idea from

>>53350942
will never be top dog cos only able to actually do anything 1/2 the fucking time.

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>>53350942
>"my splat is better just because"

And people wonder why Magefags antagonize Vampfaggots so much.

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>>53350942

>ars magica came out in 1987
>vampire came out in 1991

>>53350872
My super special Donut steel's, who the fuck do you think?

>>53350916
>The entire point of the game is about being a powerful motherfucker
Sadly, everyone who doesn't play Mage likes to ditch this core concept.

Bias is like religion.

>>53350872
Obviously Princess.And I'm only half joking. I have a hard on for noble heroes in grimdark settings making a difference. Baring that I might make not-imbued.

>>53351011
>I have a hard on for noble heroes in grimdark settings making a difference

I bet you watch a lot of anime.

>>53350942
This is why you fat goths need to put in your place.

>>53351019
Not especially no, hell none currently. Besides most of that nowdays is straight edge.

>>53350872
Beast :^)

>>53328684
So what's the deal with Mages being uber-powerful and almighty? Wasn't the reason Tremere became vampires because it was becoming increasingly difficult to use magic even in the Middle Ages?

>>53350942
Why should undead bloodsucking societal parasites be above the obsessive power-hungry scientists of the hidden magical world?

Because they just should, right? Jesus Vampire players are insufferable.

>>53351079
It was a failed bid for immortality

>>53351079
Tremere wasn't a quality mage in life.
His original plan was to reap the benefits of Vampirism without any of its drawbacks.

He failed.

>>53351079
Dude fucked up, and tried to make some lemonade with those lemons.

>>53351011
For real though, current princess charms are pretty weak. I've been thinking of doing a rewrite of sorts honestly.

>>53351115
And created a weird little thematic rift between the more shamanic koldunic sorcery and the hermetic magic of the tremere. Whee.

>>53351081
You don't get it. Vampfags have to have the strongest splat to get back at the jocks in high school and the nerds who completely surpassed them after high school. Who are represented by werewolves abd mages respectively

Ascendant >= God >= Oracle >= Celestine/Incarna >= Exemplar >= Archmage > Caine > Antediluvian > Methuselah >= Mage(Master) >= Earthbound > Mage >= Vampire(Elder) > Werewolf > Vampire > Mage(beginner) >>> Changeling

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>>53351158
>He still plays Old

>>53351087
>>53351093
>>53351115
So the Magic never waned? I thought it was somehow connected to people's belief in supernatural.

God Tier
>Archmage

Top Tier
>Prep Mage
>Loud Demon
>Fresh Mummy

Middle Tier
>Mage
>Demon
>Sin-Eater
>Mummy
>Werewolf
>Beast
>Changeling

Lower Tier
>Promethean
>Vampire
>Surprised Mage
>Prep Hunter
>Hunter

>>53351181
It was waning. Tremere just wanted to circumvent the strain on his immortality potions.

>>53351200
I see.

I can only imagine how bad these wank wars would be if WoD was a comic book series instead of table tops.

>>53351181
Consensus WAS turning against his Magic, so it was waining.
He had a plan to juice up his immortality potions with Vampire juju.

But was such a fucking retarded he ended up drained, and raised.
But managed to get Vampire Magic out of the deal.

Was Cappadocious a mage originally?

>>53351268
no

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>>53351268
Thaumaturgy was a niche practice until House Tremere made the jump across splats. They didn't invent it but they refined, expanded and proliferated it.

>>53335697
you cant antagonize someone of that power level. they've never existed in the setting.

>>53351232
'magic'. Less magic, more 'rotting reality with a slight warping of the concentrated force of god's disdain that all filthy bloodsuckers bear'.

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>>53335692
Vampires of that age are basically fantasy dragons. Incredibly self assured, for good reason, of their utter superiority to anything that isn't Daddy (pic related).

So yeah, absolutely. Sure, an Antediluvian (probably) can't spin off a pocket universe and make it their own bizarre creation like an archmaster, but they've got their own fuckabouts.

>>53351577
It only takes one Antediluvian pissing off an Archmage for them to find out that there are things out there tougher than even "Daddy".

>>53351648
it also requires archmages to actually be able to walk on earth or you know canonically exist.

>>53351648
Nothing is tougher than Daddy. He's so wonderful. And orange.
>>53351717
I kind of want to know exactly where that's coming from. I know this is trollfest 3000, but I'm kind of curious.

>>53351717
>it also requires archmages to actually be able to walk on earth
Some are powerful enough to do so.

>or you know canonically exist
Not sure if serious.

>>53351733
uh in MtA archmages were basically all in the umbra when it got cut off from reality. they cant get back. then theres the fact that in the entire existence of the game line theres been like 4 archmages and not one with a power above a 6. this super impressive archmages that everyone keeps talking about with 9s in everything dont seem to actually exist.

>>53351771
So, uh, they do canonically exist and there were always examples of them walking in reality. You know it, I know it, anyone who picks up any of the more wanky books knows it. They usually just have to sit down and shut up or get bitchslapped by the cosmos. Right.

Less bullshit, more actual trolling. It's not like the game line is light on stuff for that.

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>>53351771
>this super impressive archmages that everyone keeps talking about with 9s in everything dont seem to actually exist.

lol

>>53351790
there are no actual examples of any of them still walking in creation. they're to pathetic to be able to exist here.

>>53351771
>uh in MtA archmages were basically all in the umbra when it got cut off from reality. they cant get back
Except some are still on Earth. Medea, Voormas, Senex, Dante, Al-Aswad (The Unnamed) and his various cohorts.

>then theres the fact that in the entire existence of the game line theres been like 4 archmages and not one with a power above a 6
There are a good half dozen mentioned Archmages having went above six dots.

>>53351802
so the only thing you have to point to is a guy who gets possessed by something vastly more powerful than an archmage and only exists in the non cannonical end of the world scenario.


please tell me more,

>>53351816
pretty sure everyone you listed is offworld as of the last edition,

>>53351817
>so the only thing you have to point to is a guy who gets possessed by something vastly more powerful than an archmage

He wasn't possessed by anything. He's the first of the Nephandi. A Qlippothic Oracle.

>>53351828
Voormas, Senex, Al-Aswad and the other Aswadim were all prominent in Revised post Avatar Storm.

Medea is currently too insane to even acknowledge the modern era.

>>53351841
pretty sure voormas was out on jupiter or some shit. thats not really earth.

>>53351856
Nigger where did you buy the tractor to hook those goalposts to? Seriously. You've got so much rich in universe troll material that nobody could dispute because it's published, and this is the hill you choose to die on?

>>53351856
No. Voormas has had his Earthly moments. The Consensus can be bypassed at times. Medea is naturally immune to it.

>>53351816
>There are a good half dozen mentioned Archmages having went above six dots.
there are like 3 and they're all only during the actual end of the world. other than that you have a handful of asshats walking around with a 6. this isnt quiet what the boards would have you believe.

>>53351876
>the consensus
whats that have to do with the avatar storm blocking them from leaving the umbra? have you actually played this game? rtfm

>>53351895
You're an utter moron

>>53351895
You've been given examples of people with more, and that's just the Qlippothic oracles. They exist outside of EOTW scenarios. The signature characters, too.

>>53351907
>whats that have to do with the avatar storm blocking them from leaving the umbra?
The Avatar Storm locked access to the Deep Umbra and the reverse access to the Consensus.

Either you were on Earth or you weren't.
The most powerful of Archmages aren't affiliated with any of the factions and are off in space somewhere.

>>53351895
Archmages with nine dots explicitly exist. No names are given, but they're out there.

Nine dots of Mind being the rarest.

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>>53351908
why, because i've actually read the books?

>>53351933
>Archmages with nine dots explicitly exist. No names are given, but they're out there.
sauce on bullshit. i'll wait...

>>53351945
Man, just give the people a few page numbers then. Easy.

>>53351945
I'm inclined to believe you haven't.

>>53351956
The archmages book?

>>53351956
Archmages of Mind are literally defined as extremely rare in Masters of the Art.

Go read the book.

>>53351913
>You've been given examples of people with more,
mmmm nope. i've been given examples of 2 people who had 6s and then got higher during the end of the world non canon scenario.

One doesn't even need example Archmages when the Archspheres are already exemplified in Masters of the Art

:^)

lousy troll is lousy

>>53351970
the one that doesnt give a single example of an archmage with a sphere at anything past 6. i guess i missed the page where it said you can just pick up people with 9s across the board at any 7-11.

>>53351993
>the book with 6 - 9 dot spheres
>still needs proof

Are you even trying?

>>53352012
Bible mentions Jesus, show me proof he existed?

>>53352082
Jesus was the Messiah, you heathen scum nonbeliever

Any speculations about the content of Deviant?

It seems we've hit autosage. Time for new thread?

>>53354087
nobody cares