Blood Bowl General

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>>53328590
Chaos Renegade can take an orc lineman now, and the Chaos All-Stars got retconned as a Renegade team.

>pic related

Fairly pumped for the new goblin positionals. Orc lino for pact is pretty cool, too bad about no S access for him (it'd be too good)

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So I've seen photos of new FW Goblin bombers, chainsaws and fanatics, but no pogo. Will they still be getting pogo guys in the new book?

>>53330595

Not sure, there is a Squig star player though

All sorts of optional rules that no doubt the NAF will just ignore too, including a less accurate Fireball Wizard

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For timescale too, taking a slightly longer break than normal until /tg/ FUMBBL League VIII.

>>53328590

Does Underworld get any new toys to play with?

>>53331108
does the wizard only have a nerfed fireball? or does he have lightning bolt as well? because fireball definitely wasn't the thing that made wizards bullshit, it was the lightning

Everyone's favorite Human/undead/orc coach here. Anyone else have a copy of DZ season 2?

>>53332086
Thanks m8

>>53331373

A squig star players they can permanently hire.

>>53331108
>>53333004
>squig star player
Squig Rider star player, actually. There's also a Rat Ogre with ball & chain which is cool.

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Willy Miniatures Nurgle models are pretty dope.

Though annoyed the worm styled beast doesn't have tentacles. Have to add some myself.

>>53333253
>also a Rat Ogre with ball & chain
what's the point? ball and chain already has st 7, how does he work?

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>>53334950
130k for 5729, B&C, Loner, MB, No Hands, Prehensile Tail, SW. He can be taken by Skaven and Underworld. Personally, I think someone at GW saw the conversion from the screaming bell Rat Ogre and thought it looked cool enough for a star player.

>>53332086
holy fuck, that's a lot of specialists

>>53335445
i don't know, i mean he is a ratogre and the only thing he has over a gobbo is MB, feels inconsistent(and 5ma but that's not the point). Also why does he have higher armour then a normal ratogre? Did you mistype that. Fluff aside looks like a pretty nice piece, 5ma is a lot.

>>53335813
Nag, he totally is av9 for some reason. People on fumbbl were wondering why too. Pretty cheap too for the rats.

>>53335813
>the only thing he has over a gobbo
He has prehensile tail. Good luck getting away from him.

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>>53335813
>why does he have higher armour then a normal ratogre?
Because he is half machine

>the NAF is still using the old edition

Why?

>>53338404

Because the newer edition isn't fully 'out' yet?

>>53328590
Why did GW reboot bloodbowl, yet hardly bothered making models for it?

Did the starter box sell so poorly that they didnt invest making most the other teams?

>>53328590
Thoughts on the doom rider and 'ooligan for the gobbo's, loo fun but are they worth it (and where to find models?)

>>53338929
Quite the opposite - It sold so well they scrapped plans for the elfs being in resin (upgrade kits for a plastic pro elf box, like the bright crusaders) to making them in plastic. It means that there'll be a longer wait on them though, as it takes more time to make plastic molds.

>>53338929
>5 new team kits plus big guys, star players and bitz packs
>hardly making models
Christ, do you just expect them to drop everything on us at once? The fact that they're doing rereleases of the classic teams shows they're at least trying (though the fact that the classic team rereleases are limited run shows they're being kinda douchey about it, but that's GW for ya)

>>53339177
>>53339457
Interesting, I didnt know it really took that long to make the molds. Figured theyd ramp up production by now.

>>53339732
I'm fairly sure pro elf and nurgle are coming out this year. I'd expect to see the three other elf teams next year, along with DZ3 which will have the rosters for whatever teams they're working on next.

>>53341105
>Nurgle

What makes you think Nurgle? Certainly not a complaint if they do, be nice to see what they make 'em look like.

>>53342103
Death Zone season 1 - Human, Skaven, Orc, Dwarf, Nurgle and all the Elves. They released DZ2 because all the teams in it can be completed with already released models (except they haven't released a minotaur or dark elf yet).

>>53342140
Ah, I never looked at the season one book. Well, here's to starting Nurgle at some point.

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New Dwarf and Skaven teams in the BB app, Dwarf Slayer and Clan Pestilens:

Dwarf Slayer Hold

0-16 Beast Slayers 6237, Dauntless, Thick Skull, 60k, GS
0-4 Troll Slayers 5328, Block(!), Dauntless, Frenzy, Thick Skull, 90k, GS
0-2 Skaven Slayers 5328, Breack Tackle, Frenzy, NoS, Thick Skull, 70k, GP
0-2 Dragon Slayers 5439, Block, Juggernaut, Dauntless, Stand Firm, Thick Skull, 170k, GS

Skaven Pestilent Vermin

0-16 Novitiates 6337, Disturbing Presence, 50k, GM
0-4 Pox flingers 6337, Bombardier, Pass, Secret Weapon, 50k, GP (M on doubles)
0-2 Poison Keepers 8337, Dodge, Stab, 100k, GA (M on doubles)
0-2 Cardinals 6338, Block, Horns, 80k GS (M on doubles)
Rat Ogre S (M on doubles)

Anyone have a digital copy of death zone season 2?

>>53342964

Beast Slayers are 6ma 3st 3ag 7av.

Dragon Slayers, chaos warrior that starts with block and a ton of other skills, holy crap.

>>53342964
st3 break tackle? surely would have been more useful on the dragon slayers

and 4 hmp access bombers on pestilens seems pretty good

>>53331143
fuck you fuck you fuck you start the new league you pussy

>>53341105
>>53342103
>>53342140

>teams in print are their release cycle

nope, just look at how gobbos came out

>>53338929
it sold well but not well enough for them to support bb

>>53339457
With the metal molds they do made to order so they can buy exactly as much metal they need and do one run of it.

These items aren't profitable as small-scale made-to-order so instead you get one batch of stuff, it would be nicer to have more information about what will be available for made to order (for example them splitting up the undead teams was retarded and weird)

>>53344985
Going to be starting anew league, seems the other players are going with humans and drawves, I have decided to go with goblins, not to win obviously (though as some of the players have never played and don't read rules I recon I can get wins on some players)

What do you think of this for a starting roster?

9 Goblins
1 bomma (due to a few drawf teams)
1 Fanatic
1 ooligan (fame modifier looks useful, though could switch for the doom diver)
2 trolls

4 re-rolls
1cheerleader
1 fan factor (could leave these behind if going with doom driver)

This will leave me with 100,000 for two bribes and give me a TV of 900,000, hopefully putting me in a good position to get inducements later one.

>>53344985
Yea it kinda sucked that to get a full necro team you had to order 2 sets

>>53345217
you need a chainsaw on a goblin team

>>53345217

4 re-rolls is probably unnecessary.

>>53345396
I was thinking that, but as half the league has drawves, I thought, do I really need a chainsaw?

And I was thinking 4 re-rolls might be unneccesary, could always switch one out for a looney, but still not sure a chain saw will be that helpful against the drawves

>>53345288
It's like that for 99% of the GW teams, even 3rd party teams often have baffling lineups

>>53345217
https://fumbbl.com/help:LRB6RaceStrategy

>>53344927
Except Goblins are part of the orc team and were released simultaneously with DZ2 which has rules for Goblin teams, Goblin and Skaven Teams and Human + various teams.

>>53345560
>https://fumbbl.com/help:LRB6RaceStrategy
Thanks, the problem with old strategis is that they don't take into account the ooligan and doom diver (no idea if they are any good, but should try them out to find out)

Though looks lke 4 re-rolls isn't too much, so will probably keep that. Most of the line up looks similar to what they have, quite simialr to variation 3 though I have traded pogoer for ooligan and saved up some money for more inducements by having 4 instead of 5 re-rolls

>>53345793

General consensus on the 'ooligan so far seems to be poor. While Goblins do like having the advantage on kickoff results, in general it seems like paying 30k extra for just that is not great.

The Doom Diver seems neat, but maybe a bit flawed in premise as Halflings are the Stunty team that are most likely to be using the TTM attack method, rather than Goblins who have plenty of other, less unreliable options for player removal (which is saying something because all the Goblin methods of player removal are already unreliable).

>>53345793
Doom diver looks great, the new skill basically makes him better at being thrown, at the cost of losing some if the benefits of stunty

>>53345793
if you think paying 70k for a goblin is good strategy then I've got bad news for you

I love the ooligan and the dd because they're funny and flavorful but they're not good

>>53346000
>Not wanting to use dd's for touchdown shenanigans

>>53346000

It's Goblins. The whole team isn't exactly the WAAC players first choice.

>>53346092
There's a difference between WAAC and intentionally playing sub-optimally

>>53346092
if i pick undead because its the best team but only use zombies is that waac

>>53346035
sure the dd helps 1TTDs but it's a lot of TV to give up bribes and other things the goblin team needs

>>53346000
To be fair, we can theory craft that they aren't good. But it is difficult to say they arne't good without actually trying them.

I understand the theory of why they arn'et good, disturbing presence on one dude is useless, need more of it, and the +1 isn't wrth 30,000

But...and listen to me here, if I have a 'ooligan I can model him like a prick (how to convert a 'ooligan, and the doom diver for that matter other than using an old night golbin doom diver)

>>53346572
Id take either some gretchin 9r a govlin from the booster and use greenstuff to give him a batman cape, or use toothpicks and green stuff to make an umbrella

So I've always heard talk about putting more than 11 players on the pitch as a goblin team. Is there a rule I'm missing, or is it some unspoken thing from earlier editions?

>>53347147
i think this was something people talked about for ogre team snotlings? not sure. don't think anything like this was an official rule, though

>>53347147
>>53347300

The titchy rule used to work along the lines of: At kickoff, roll a d6 for every player with the Titchy rule.

0-1 player is ejected.
2-4 place another player with the Titchy rule from the reserves onto the pitch within the TZs of this player, within the team's half (and I think they couldn't be placed in an opposing player's TZs).
5-6 Place two players in this fashion instead.

>>53347300
>>53347347

I remember that for a number of rules infractions regarding setup, like not moving your turn counter, you can be penalized by docking a reroll. Maybe what I was thinking of was just goblin players being encouraged to play the cheating up to the hilt for the sake of flavor.

Any website with older and alternative BB stuff in the US? Always find really awesome models or widgets or something and it's almost always coming out of Europe and I get raped by shipping.

So BBG, Halflings or Ogres? Assuming a continual league rather than a tournament, with the new DZ stadium and sponsorship rules.

>>53349529
ogres if you want multiple big guys

flings if you want three treemen and a better chance at winning

though if you're playing against noobs ogres can be really tough

>>53349529
ogres are straight up the worst team in bloodbowl, you need hot dice to win. however if your league is very heavily lightly armored (elves, skaven, stunties ect) then ogres could be good in the long run once they get a bit more reliable and can start pitch clearing teams

>>53349839
ogres or vamps?

>>53349839
vampires are better than ogres, and vampires actually get really fucking good once you get high in the really high tv ranges. 6 skilled up vampires can be pretty unstoppable. but vampires struggle early on

Can anyone recommend a good, relatively cheap Norse team?
Living in Aus is suffering, I don't want to have to pay $150-200 just for a new team to play.

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>>53351466

Get wooden cubes and put stickers / stick player details on them: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1036987/homebrew-blood-bowl-21-teams

>>53351695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwdTPdKd1aA

>>53351466

Just buy a box of plastic vikings or Anglo-Danes or something from Gripping Beast.

If you need them to look more like sportsmen, follow this excellent modelling tutorial.

http://sirskofisworkshop.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/tutorial-how-to-use-green-stuff-from.html

>>53345498
>but as half the league has drawves, I thought, do I really need a chainsaw?
A chainsaw is as good as Claw and MB vs dwarves (for breaking armor)
if you give him dirty player he is better.

>>53351695
>that retarded Spaniard who couldn't play bb with his friend because he was too poor to buy minis and his friend was too poor to buy a computer so he printed jpgs off fumbbl to play

>>53354770
>Hating on people being creative and resourceful

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>>53354770
I still haven't done it but it may happen soon, stay tuned for real life poorfagbowl

Stunty Squigs and Gnoblars:

https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=970830

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>>53354860

I suggest getting pre-colored blocks, that will save even more money.

>>53351695
Huh, looks like the stats on on top of the cubes too. I'd tag it a practical alternative as well.

But I can say it's a bit annoying trying to build a Bretonnian team from spare and found bits. Not a lot of knightly models not on a horse, and if off a horse are super bulky in their armor. But I've managed to find alternatives.

Why do you still play on that eurotrash FUMBBL

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>>53359600

https://fumbbl.com/p/group?group=10263&op=view
https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague

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>>53360186

https://fumbbl.com/help:ForestT

I need my goblin spider riders.

>Start league a couple months back
>Have yet to have more than a couple games
>Learn the rest of the players were all college kids and left without word or warning once school ended

So does this mean I win the league?

>>53362958
only if you're the commissioner

So what team does everyone plan on picking up again once the new kit novelty wears off and we all realize none of us actually like goblins?

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So how's everyone making their Chaos Renegade teams? I'm using the extra linemen from the human team I bought to fill out the positionals and converting them using the old chaos mutations sprue.

>pic related

>>53364561
Hey, I like goblins.

But I like winning more often than not, so I'm wondering what new Nurgle stuff might be down the road.

>>53364957
I'm probably gonna be lazy about it and just paint the non-human positionals in the same scheme as my humans.

>>53364561
I love goblins and underworld

>>53364561
Hey man, I actually like goblins. Now Dwarfs, that was the team that gets boring quick.

I didn't pick up any of the models because I knew that I would not be able to stand playing an entire league with them.

>>53365916

And here's a good underworld team: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/green-ratz-fantasy-football-team#/

>>53332086
>Disturbing Presence

So we're all sure that this is a typo and they actually meant Dirty Player, right?

>>53366420

>DP

most likely, Black Gobbo had that as well, so most likely a typo.

>Underworld team
>$95
>literally an entire goblin box, a skaven box and a troll

Can you imagine if they did a Chaos Renegades team the same way? A Humans team box, an Orcs box, a Skaven box, a Goblin box, a Dark Elf box, and 3 big guys... It'd come out to like $250
I get the feeling GW isn't gonna be doing separate positional blisters, mostly due to how they've been designing their sprues, all the figures and bits tangled up with each other and hard to keep separate. Guess FW's got the ball...

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>>53366420
>>53366449
I dunno; I'd be pretty hesitant to attack this guy.

>>53366449
>>53366420
it's not a typo, he's an 'ooligan

he just shouts and screams so it distracts players

>>53366274
>two goblins for thirty euros

ahahaha, you're joking right?

>>53367086
>>53367152
No way. He's a fan favorite. The fans love it when he fouls other players.

>>53367270
the fans love it because he's a loud goblin who screams and jumps around

he's basically a cheerleader on the pitch

Anywhere I can find decent minis for stuff like coaching staff and inducements and stuff? Most third-party stuff seems to be shit.

>>53364957
Khorne Blood warriors have a good blood bowl look as far as chaos humans go. Its a shame they're pretty expensive and don't come with any mutation stuff.

Who is the most beautiful player

>>53369872
I like the kairic acolytes personally.

>>53369247
you could always convert minis or just use generic townsfolk minis

>>53369872
you can get three for like $15, so your positonals would be $30

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>>53370943
Is there any question?

Autism ranking when

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>Goblins finally released
>buffed
>mfw

I have been waiting literally years for this. Time to derust and find a Lgs again.

>>53373655
>goblins buffed
no they weren't

>>53346109
By that logic anon, only use the saw, two trolls, rest gobbos. Get doc, 3 rr and 4-5 reserves. Playing optimal goblins is fun, I did it for years but it runs counter to the intention of the team: causing mayhem while having a blast at losing.

>>53373869
>not taking a fanatic in optimal gobbos

it's like you don't even WAAC

>>53373833
Ooligan and doom diver add more options without taking away anything. It is a buff especially how dirt cheap it is to make a full starting gobbo roster.

>>53372280
Wrong

>>53373882
My fanatic strangled himself too many times. Either gang banged by bashers or danced around by elves.

>>53373892
they're expensive gobbos, the DD is nice for a dedicated 1TTD piece but he's too situational to be a straight up buff, a lot of the time he's just TV bloat

>>53373957
But anon thats literally all the gobbo positionals sans pogo. Chance of working, chance of suicide. Same way chainsaw "buffs" their foul game or bomma buffs their pitch control, fanatic for offensive scrum, doom diver buffs 1tt potential. His only danger is being eaten or crash landing.

Its not a buff in the regular semse bnut in the gobbo sense that it adds options.

>>53373957
>the DD is nice for a dedicated 1TTD piece
Not without stunty it isn't.

>>53374074
It says in the image he has stunty.

>>53374170
Swoop negates the positive effects of it, so it only gets the part where it's more easily injured.

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The concept of a pure Goblin team which doesn't cheat intrigues me.

Are these guys worth getting?

>>53374234
>>53374234
I dont see any positive of stunty being thrown? Also i dont have the new rules. What does swoop do exactly?

>>53374291
I think for minis sure. I ordered them too. Goblins who dont cheat intrigues you? Fluff or ingame?

Its actually possible to play with 0 weapons and just gobbos with trolls but its hard as crap. I used a saw.

>>53374352
A bit of both.

I don't need to win, but don't want to auto-lose.

I've never actually played BB though. Is the vidya a good tutorial on the game?

>>53374326
Changes from d8 scatter to the throw_in template

>>53374474
Ya its nice. Fummbl is free but pixel tier graphics. Plays identicallyi but community its up its own depending.
If you want optimal,

>3 RR
>12 Gobbos
>2 trolls
>1 chainsaw
>1 doc
>30k cash reserve

Lots of bodies, good safety net with doctor and 3 rr is stable. 30k means you can either save up in case you lose too many gobbos or push to 16 man roster

>>53374326
It's not the being thrown you need stunty for, it's dodging through tacklezones to get to the endzone.

>>53374639

You could argue with the swoop rule it's easier to avoid tacklezones altogether unless the opponent has gone full TTM1TTD defence. Under which circumstances you don't field the Doom Diver and play normally.

>>53374534
Nice, thanks.

>>53375004
most people do a full 1ttd defense when you would field the doomdiver

swoop negating stunty really ruins the dd piece, makes him not worth it at all

>>53376374
Lets be honest here. As mixed as the doomdiver is, you got to asmit some funny plays could be had even in standard play.

Plus its goblins. Playing a waac goblin team is a bit counter to who they are. By thast logic, you may as well play a normal team.

>>53376446
there's a difference between WAAC and intentionally gimping your team

The DD is almost two bribes of TV

>>53376446
Doomdiver would probably be really good for divebombing a cage and little else, but it should be 40-50k for that.

anyone yet with the epub or a pdf scan of the release ?

>>53376446
big problem with the new positionals isn't that they're bad, it's that they're pretty overcosted. 70k for disturbing presence and +1 to kickoff events, and 60k for a piece that's going to sit in reserves most of the time

>>53376982
Ah well. Worst case just save up!

>>53377031
it's not about saving up, it's about tv management, taking these positionals denies you bribes and other things the team needs

in addition to losing bribes you're getting overcosted goblins who don't really do much

like sure they're "fun" and you can take them if you want, but they're like minotaurs on a chaos team -- they're bad

>>53377081
The bribes i feel are overrated. Like ive played leagues with just the saw (not even a pogo) and beat gobbo bribe addicts just cause once you hit a weapon, chances are they are gone so your bribes are fecked.

Id rather a bribe and babe than two bribes for example. Plus tv management i get, least in a matchmaker environment but if you are using all three weapons, tv management sort of goes out the window considering how erratic they are.

Plus your trolls will be levelling too.

>>53377225
bribes are really good for fouling though, fouls become such a safe option with an extra bribe lying around

Having two bribes for example lets you saw even on defense and foul every chance you get

>>53377325
Ot course. They arent useless by any means just for me one bribe seemed fine versus many who legit just get max bribes and pray.

Still solid choice of inducement in itself.

On a slighy different note I cant wait for my team and book to arrive. I hope the gobbos get fun new fluff.

>>53374291
you could field ratmen with them.

>>53372423
TOMORROW, A RAINBOW OF RANKINGs.

ALSO CMONKEY WINS STALL.

KING_AUTIST

>>53377706
>a 3 year old won

>>53377476
squig starplayer

NEW STALL WHEN

If I were to try and assemble a complete set of team tokens/bases/figures, what would I need?

Like 16 bases, numbered 1-16. #/X of each allowed position. All available star players available to the team. Like 4 cheerleaders, etc.

I want to make a complete box set for any given team that can accommodate any configuration.

>>53381764
You could make due with like 6 linemen, 4 blitzers, a big guy, and then three star players, stunty star player, normal star player, big guy star player

you'd also need proxies for positionals outside of blitzer

>>53378846
I hope you aint rusing me. Is he any good or fun? Any news on Mr Bolgrot?

>>53381911
Hes a squig rider with wild animal, leap and claw - maybe something else. ST4. Bolgrots in the book, not sure he changed.

>>53381949

And going by death zone season two, where you can hire star players onto your team. The squig rider costs 30k each match to have them a part of your team, permanently.

>>53381949
>>53381997
That sounds disgustingly good but with loner id be afraid of leap. Bolgrot being back just makes my day.

>30k for perm squig hopper star

Misprint? Thats dirt cheap.

>>53382072

30k for each match, you have to pay.

It's 10k per 50k star player cost. 170k so 30k, very useful extra strength for Goblins and Underworld.

Hell, the rat ogre ball and chain is 130k so 20k per match, but with secret weapon.

>>53381911
>>53381949
IN DZS2 Ripper is 270k for 4619 grab, loner, might blow, regen, and TTM

>>53382072
Madcap Miggz is 170k for 6438 break tackle, claw, leap, loner, no hands, VLL, wild animal for gobbos and underworld.

what that means is that you need 170k to induce him for one game. Or you can buy him onto your roster for 170k and then pay 30k per game to keep him (but he still costs the 170k hit to tv as long as he is rostered).

It is like rostering a big guy except only 1 of each player per league, he can't get spp, and their is a maintenance cost.

But like how Orcs will sometimes use a troll as a 140k inducement or dorfs will induce death rollers, but not roster them.

>>53382206
Thats pretty awesome. Granted as much good as that sounds id be tempted to recruit Ripoer Bolgrot instead. I remember fighting Ogres with him, and my two trolls years back.

9 big guys fighting in the middle. Got a good crowd too. Somehow the Trolls won.

>>53382206
so if the costs are rounded down all stars under 100k cost only 10k per game? 10k for zzharg or fungus seems pretty fucking broken honestly

>>53382530
You've got to pay the hiring fee first. I'm assuming that inducing a star player doesn't count.

>>53382530

Maybe, don't know. Just want my squig.

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Something im amazed people havent mentoned about the doom diver:cage breaking.

Guy can either splat the ball carrier or a corner. Because a dead or failed TTM isnt a turnover, it opens up the box for a chasinsaw to snipe the carrier.

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Considering Dark Elves as my next team after Goblins. Are the assassins worth it, or would I be better served with two more blitzers instead?

It is stupid and fun idea to use Throw Team-mate as throwing attack?

>>53384561
they're pretty bad unless you're going against lots of av7 pieces with blodge like gutter runners or wardancers, and even then they become obsolete when you get tackle on a couple blitzers

>>53384639

Halflings do it all the time.

They're better suited to it than Goblins, though. Trees are better throwers and Halflings are more expendable.

>>53384639
It's an incredibly stupid idea. It's also an incredibly fun idea. These two points are related.

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Anyone know the cost of Black Gobbo? He looks pretty good for a gobbo star.

>>53385924
he's free if your opponent gets the dwarf star player for free as well. don't know if you can buy him normally outside of that

>>53385924

How much is he?

>>53386783
No cost just popped into a local retail store. Sadly he is only fieldable vs certain races and they must field the white dwarf. He also has a kickass rule where his own foul action doesnt count the teams and on a 3+ he can bribe for his team if they get sent off

>>53385924
Can't field him in normal League play

>>53386875
>>53387302

Well, he seems okayish. The real takeaway here is Bombardier with no secret weapon. The free foul is niceish, but if GW REALLY wanted a fouling monster then they should have given him chainsaw + dirty player + sneaky git.
He seems kind of weirdly unfocused desu.

What are the stats on the White Dwarf?

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>>53387475
See pic related

>>53387302
Can actually but its up to the comissionar to allow it. Has rules for league play.

>>53387475
>chainsaw, sg and dp

Yeah thats what you call overkoll. One or the other but both is just crazy.

>>53387549

The skill aura is pretty good, his statline is pretty mediocre and his skills are mashup of all of the Dwarf teams starting skills (apart from the Deathroller, which would have been funny) But it feels like the Black Gobbo is somewhat more useful.

>>53387603

I think the combo would be less crazy if it was on a Star Player who can't be taken by a team with 50k bribes.
Like, just give Lord Borak a Chainsaw. He's already got dirty player, at -4 to armour rolls when fouling when is Sneaky Git EVERY going to come up? Plus isn't their art of Borak rolling around with a Chainsaw already in Blood Bowl?

>>53388094
Nah I think you are thinking of the Chaos Warrior with a chainsaw. He had his own thing. Borak was always fistycuffs.

>>53389931

Max Spleenripper right? Yeah I guess.

Which races don't have Chainsaw access at this point? I know Slaan for sure don't. I think Lizardmen don't either, Amazons and Norse do though I think?

>>53390314
So, what would you recommend for goblins v drawves tactics, aside from getting shit pushed in?

So far only, will there be a heavy reliance on secret weapons and trolls, and setting up goblins slow them
Down and trying to let them only get one tackle a turn, through blitzing (wearing down their numbers seems difficult)

>>53390561
if he's dwarfs he probably only has 11 or 12 players, so gangfoul the shit out of whatever goes down to get numbers advantage. dwarfs are probably one of the worst teams to have players down with, since they need to mark players heavily to not get bogged down and their cage stopped.

>>53390314
Slann and Lizardmen get Helmut Wulf for chainsaw.
It's the elf teams and skaven that don't get chainsaws.

>>53338404
>meticulously tested by fans
>thrown together by new GW

Which one would you choose?

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>>53391944
the one that's supported

>>53393890
Blood Bowl is a complete game, it doesn't need support.

>>53394036
that's why no one buys models or mats, or dice right?

>>53394060
3rd parties have been making all those for years.

>>53394096
And the argument wasn't about models or gaming aids at all, you can use new Citadel models with old rules just fine.

>>53393890

>the NAF are looking at each new change on its own merits, and are sticking to the solid ruleset they have looked after for a decade, in which time BB has stayed as a big tournament game
>"nu"GW are basically selling retards the CRP piecemeal with some zany™ stuff and limited edition crap thrown in

The CRP then?

>>53391664

>Skaven, the only faction in WHFB aside from Dwarves MOST LIKELY to engineer a chainsaw and crazy enough to actually use it don't get one

Seriously?

>>53390561
Gobbo player here. Assuming you only have two weapons, or one like me, put 3 gobbo line of scrum ALWAYS START AS KICKER, and deploy 2 squares from the end zone.

Let the dwarfs come to you. Use one troll to blitz but not engage and a second troll screened and behind ready to counter attack the inevitable brutalization of your first line of defence.

If crap hits the fan keep your gobbos prone and let him score. Snipe slayers and remember to keep a deep bench. Dont waste RR on tackled failed dodges.

>>53396344

This sounds pretty solid. Dwarves cannot reposition easy and if you get anyone around him with the ball that TD is as good as scored. The deeper in you trap him, drag out his line, the better.

Save you're ReRolls for doging, get that Pogoer through the lines, throw that Goblin when you need to, and you can do this.
Oh, and gangfoul the shit out of him when possible.

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Anyone here going to make any of the 'new' teams from the BB app? Clan Pestilens seems fun with their mutation access linemen and four bombers with passing access:

http://imgur.com/a/aZ2j8

>>53396870
wew GW making new teams? do they even have models?

>>53390561
For offense try to force a wedge up the side lead by a troll, keep the second troll mid field and knock over his line.

If you knock over two dwarfs, mark both with a gobbo and slowly move up the side. Keep ball carrier well screened mid pitch and be rteady to break through either through the wedge up pitch or break off opposite. Keep gobbos spread and screened by two. Keep saw close to ball carrier at all times and dont use him to attack unless the dwarves have broken through and are actively threatening your carrier.

The danger of saw > using the saw.

Good luck.

>>53397091

They are 'race packs', basically new teams teams that have models out already.

Currently there are:

Humans: Human Nobility:
Orcs: Savage Orcs
Dwarfs: Dwarf Slayer Hold
Skaven: Clan Pestilens

Be interesting to see what the alt team for Underworld will be. How would you do Goblins differently?

>>53397787
Night Goblins

>>53397808

Also known as half of Underwo- You know what, goblins and squigs, goblins riding squigs, yes.

Hopefully hilariously awful like the Fumbbl team:

https://fumbbl.com/help:SquigT

>>53328590

Are there any major rule changes in the new edition, or just new/changed rosters?

>>53398035

No wizards, you can elect three players on your team to receive MVP then roll a d3. Pilling on requires a reroll and is now an optional skill:

https://www.thenaf.net/2016/11/from-crp-to-bb2016/

>>53396870

Beast Slayers stats seem a little high. Movement 6? On a Dwarf? Ag3? If it was a positional I'd understand, but as a standard Linedwarf? No, that moves too far away from the standard Dwarf lineup.

I also feel they should have Frenzy instead of Dauntless. I like the positionals a lot though. Not sure the Dragonslayer shouldn't have Frenzy either.

>>53346109

>intentionally playing sub-optimally

e.g. Playing goblins in the first place? Yeah, there's an optimal way to play them, but what's a little less optimization when you're playing gobbos?

>>53398187
>>53396870

The more I look at it, the more I scratch my head and wonder what they were thinking.

Frankly I'd do it like this.

Beast-Slayers 0-16
M:5 Str:3 Agi:2 Av:7 50k
Frenzy, Thick Skull

Troll Slayers 0-4
M:5 Str:3 Agi:2 Av:8 90k
Block, Dauntless, Frenzy, Thick Skull

Skaven Slayer 0-2
M:5 Str:3 Agi:2 Av:8 70k
Tackle, Disturbing Presence, Franzy, Thick Skull

Giant Slayer 0-2
M:5 Str:4 Agi:2 Av:8 170k
Block, Frenzy, Dauntless, Claws, Mighty Blow

Hopefully you can see where I'm going with this. Skaven Slayers are meant to act as safeties, using Disturbing Prescence and Tackle to stop recievers, with Agility skill access allowing them to take Pass Block on a normal skill roll.
Giant Slayers on the other hand are meant to kill Str5 big guys.

Weaknesses: Everyone has Frenzy and your LineSlayers are armour 7, nobody is Movement 4, but nobody is Movement 6 either.

https://fumbbl.com/ffblive.jnlp?spectate=971572
secrets - nonfarm edition.

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>>53328590
>>53342964
>>53397091
>>53397787

Okay, these are the teams for all four of the new official Blood Bowl teams, say if there are any mistakes:

Human Nobility (Humans), 60k rerolls

0-16 Retainers 70k
MV: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Fend
GA SP

0-4 Bodyguards 90k
MV: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Guard, Block
GS AP

0-4 Throwers 70k
MV: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Pass
GP AS

0-2 Princeling 110k
MV: 7 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Catch, Dodge, Pro
GAP S


Savage Orcs (Orcs), 60k rerolls

0-16 Linemen 60k
MV: 5 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Frenzy
S GAP

0-4 Blitzer 90k
MV: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Frenzy
GS AP

0-4 Brutes 80k
MV: 4 ST: 4 AG: 2 AV: 8
Thick Skull
S GAP

0-2 Throwers 70k
MV: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Frenzy, Nerves of Steel, Pass
GP AS

0-1 River Troll 130k
MV: 5 ST: 5 AG: 1 AV: 9
Loner, Always Hungry, Mighty Blow, Really Stupid, Regeneration, Throw Team-Mate
S GAP

>>53399268

Dwarf Slayer Hold (Dwarfs), 70k rerolls

0-16 Beast Slayers 60k
MA: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Dauntless, Thick Skull
GS AP

0-4 Troll Slayers
MA: 5 ST: 3 AG: 2 AV: 8
Block, Dauntless, Frenzy, Thick Skull
GS AP 90k

0-2 Skaven Slayers 70k
MA: 5 ST: 3 AG: 2 AV: 8,
Breack Tackle, Frenzy, NoS, Thick Skull,
GP AS

0-2 Dragon Slayers 170k
MA: 5 ST: 4 AG: 3 AV: 9,
Block, Juggernaut, Dauntless, Stand Firm, Thick Skull,
GS AP


Clan Pestilens (Skaven), 70k rerolls

0-16 Novitiates 50k
MA: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Disturbing Presence
GM ASP

0-4 Pox-Flingers 50k
MA: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Bombardier, Pass, Secret Weapon
GP ASPM

0-2 Poison-keepers 100k
MA: 8 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 7
Dodge, Stab
GA SPM

0-2 Cardinals 80k
MA: 6 ST: 3 AG: 3 AV: 8
Block, Horns
GS APM

0-1 Rat Ogre 150k
MA: 6 ST: 5 AG: 2 AV: 8
Frenzy, Loner, Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail, Wild Animal
S GASPM

>>53399268
For the humans do you go

2 reroll
4 body guard
7 retainers
(that is 970)

Then get apo, reroll, and then the princelings

like some retarded dark elf team

>>53399380

Pretty much, the princelings aren't that good.

>>53399407
>>53399380

I'm pretty sure it's just the Bretonnian Team list that's been floating around with the serial numbers filed off isn't it? The Linemen with Fend is a pretty big giveaway.

>>53399437

Yup, but with linemen with +AG and GA access. Despite being designed as not agile in the original team...

Also MUCH better blitzers (guard and block, damn).

Some throwers and worse princes.

>>53399285

Would 3ag be good enough for dwarfs on the linemen as dwarf teams don't have that much ag normally.

>>53398163
Wizards are back in season 2, but the fireball scatters and there's no lightning bolt

>The one place in town to buy and play Blood Bowl is closing in July

Time for one last hoorah. A short season to bloody our noses and fumble balls.

>>53402434

Nope, that's a coach wizard, similar but not quite the same.

>>53402798
Not saying You're wrong, but what's the difference? Its still an inducement, you still cast a spell... Aside from the nerfs, i dont see a difference.

>thought /bbg/ was dead because I didn't search for "Blood Bowl" instead

Anyone got the Death Zone Season 2 pdf yet?

>>53402888
The difference is that it doesn't replace the wizard, which has been confirmed to be coming back (probably in whichever death zone also has the dungeon bowl rules)

>>53405717

Unless you find it on Google, nope.

Where are my autism rankings?

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I wanted snu snu amazons , nor another skeleton team

>>53410516
More like Glamazons, am I rite?

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>>53410516
>tfw no hip or bust slider

What's a good defensive team that isn't Dwarves?

Dwarves are sooooooo boring.
Score once,
be greedy fucks with the ball
bash everyone while refusing to be bashed
win with 1-0

or it's skaven that I can never catch

>>53410726
nurgle, khemri, developed vampires (hypno gaze lets you cagebreak super easily) slann, wood elves, skaven if you have a cagebreaking rat

>>53410516
I wanted athletic Amazons, but those are anorexics with netherealm levels of manjaw.

>>53410516
WHERE ARE THE STUNTY TEAMS?!

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/wip/ on my first lineman for the Baltymor Brave'unz

>>53410726
most "defensive" teams do pretty much exactly that and go for 1-0 or 2-1 every game. if you want higher scoring games play elf ball or skaven

>>53412829
thanks doc

>>53412829
still haven't figured out my scheme for my Orc team

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>play Bb after years with friend
>gobbos vs humans
>chainsaw duds and gets one shotted
>1-0 down
>second half
>completely cornered off against line
>troll gets super lucky with a blitz to open a gap
>ball carrier needs 4 dodges and two gfi to break out
>mfw he makes it and other gobbos dodge succesfully to screen him for the 1-1

God I missed me blood bowl.

>>53415572
i think a lot of people don't realise how powerful stunty is. going anywhere on a 3+ is really fucking good, especially on underworld where you can get 2 heads on a normal and have a cagebreaking god

>>53416153
Absolutely but playing gobbos primarily makes you mega catious. Some days thry dodge like ninjas, others they fall every other attempt.

Was nice though and Trolls are as hardy as i remember.

I am so happy claw pomb was nerfed in the newest rules so underworld is actually played as meant to.

>>53415572
>>53416153
daily reminder that with av7 gobbos are some of the best stunty pieces

>>53410516
>amazons

I didn't realize creative assembly wanted amazons to be trans

>>53416711
>CA

uh...

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OI /bbg/! Tell us your favouritezs Big Guy and why or I iz gonna make dis squishy gobbo to even squushier!

>>53416827
Chaos Pact

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>>53416827
is this even a question?

>>53416827
definitely a toss up between chorf minotaur or deathroller

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>>53416827
The Gobbo Troll. Stupid, unreliable but tough as nails and can hold a scrum remarkably. 1 turn touchdown potential too. Tanky as hell and look funny. I also like the extra need to babysit them as a gameplay and fluff element.

Can even have chance to regenerate and they tend to stick around in terms of survival a fair while bar extremely unlucky circumstances which I like. Tough nuggets.

>>53417208
Extremely tanky until they die playing vs Skaven.
While part of an orc team.
Going For It to blitz the ball carrier.
wasn't me playing
I'd have laughed my ass off if I didn't see the guy's look first
still couldn't help but grin

>>53342964
>bombers with P acces and start with pass

>>53417508
To be fair I think nearly every player is just as capable of falling over and dying/ being chosen by Nuffle. Why I gfi with most players hardly ever, you just never know! Sounds funny but brutal at the same time, poor guy.

I remember using Chaos and my mino was on a blood streak. 4 cas. Final turn go for a 3d blitz. All push, he follows up then trips. Then dies. The doctor tried to save him. Dead.

Nuffle apparently did not like him.

my first lizard man game went pretty poorly today.

1-1 tie but a skink died. a saurus got the ball twice but i couldn't score until with them so the skink got it.

>>53420085
>but a skink died
Why is this a bad thing?

>>53420102

I mean it's not really but it did leave me at 10 players all game since it happened turn 1

>>53417690
Too many times have I GFI and then rolled a stat injury or even death.

Only time I've bothered is bottom of second half and a square from a touchdown.

>>53410516
Is it just me or Amazons can never win a league?

God, armor 7 is such balls.

>>53422167
amazons are really fucking good at 1ktv, but that's about it. once you face teams with mighty blow tackle amazons just implode

>>53422167
Amazons won the /tg/ rookie league. Granted it was because their coach took a tv 1200 team to play against fresh rookie teams

>>53423620
I think he meant when you start going mid to high tv, 1350+. Zons get eaten alive then. At least the stunty teams got mega stars to compensate in the long run and easy tier budgets. Zons arent either cheap or expendable.

>>53330595
Pogo is still there as well as two new special Gobbos; The Diver (Doom Diver) and the 'Ooligan (some obnoxious faggot).

>>53335813
It's a Rat Ogre that also lost Wild Animal on top of the other stuff, so activations won't be completely random with it.

>>53423928
I havent used the pogo in years on my roster since he was buffed. For 70k is he actually worth it?

Sign ups starting next monday and will run for a week as usual!

Sorry for the delay, my wife's son has just graduated from high school and I was too thrilled to care for anything else in this past weeks. Poor Tyrone has been through too much but he made it through!

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Bump

>>53423698
Zons are cheap and expendable though. You only care about your 4 blitzers unless someone rolls something nice.

>>53426920
Solid

Someone explain dark elf assassin's purpose to me. It just seems like you are paying a premium for stab, a skill that's only useful if positioned badly for block and even then, unlikely to hurt actual high armored guys.

>>53429732
The purpose is it's a noob trap. Or a "FUN" trap.

>>53429821

But don't you like FUN anon?

>>53429849
FUN is what is killing blood bowl. Look at the newest edition.

mauled has abandoned us, only pizza can save us now. Someone light the toxic e-celeb signal.

>>53429898
The new edition seems fine?

>>53429821
>Stab
>Noob trap

Spoken like a true scrub, stab is op

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>play as gobbos vs my friends humans
>lose 4 gobbies first half
>fine as 4 man bench
>trolls consistently hold ground
>1-1 thanks to some stunty dodge magic
>fight him with chaos
>front line dissolves
>minotaur useless, knocked over and has tantrum
>completely out of position when he gets up
>chaos warriors caught in a trap and picked apart
>2 depitched
>mfw lose 2-0

Feels bad man.

>>53432157
>minotaur useless
Nothing out of the ordinary there.

>>53429732

Literally all he needs is +1 MA or +1 AV.

So that Shadowing is actually halfway useful, or he can survive being punched when Stab fails.

He'd still be sub-optimal, but no longer a "laugh in your opponent's face if he brings one" choice.

>>53432157
rookie chaos are shit and the minotaur only make them worse. definitely one of the worst non stunty teams at 1000 tv

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>>53432229
>minotaur being useless is normal

Please explain.

I use Trolls as defensive speed bumps/blocks which seems to work great. Mino is meant to be the offensive powerhouse right?

>>53433144
The thing is that chaos has enough strength that they don't really need one of the less reliable big guys, if not the least one, and using it just increases your chances of a turnover by a large margin.

>>53433144

Most teams that can take a Minotaur don't lack for the strength it brings one way or another. Chaos Pact will often take one because they lack a lot of skills at the beginning, and use it as a substitute blitzer until the Marauders start getting skilled that way. Afterwards, they'll often fire it.

Chaos Dwarfs don't need it, the Bull Centaurs and the Chaos Dwarf Blockers cover the strength the team needs well enough. Chaos doesn't need it because

>4 s4 players, 7+ more potentially s4 on blitz players

Sometimes Chaos teams that have managed to be efficient with their TV will take one purely to give it Tentacles and act as an anti-Skaven/Elf measure. It's a pretty uncommon move, though.

Whats your favourite starting roster for norse?

>>53436343
2 ulfwereners, 2 blitzers, 1 runner , 6 linemen and 3 rerolls. if in a league maybe drop 1 blitzer or the runner and get an apo

Just got my Gobbo team today. Blood Moon Bombardiers, Blood Moon Buccaneers, or Blood Moon Grenadiers?

>>53436922
Of the choices, Bombardiers, I'd say.

>>53436966
Any other suggestion to go with Blood Moon?

>>53437031
Been working on an Underworld team name myself. So far being lazy and doing I'm With Stunty.

>>53437031
Blood Moon Bullies, Blood Moon Bashers, Blood Moon Brawlers

>>53431295
>>53426920

Don't worry lads, it's coming.

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Whoever wrote the new fluff needs a raise.

Ripper Bolgrot is now

>a hyper intelligent, well spoken gentleman
>"sports therapy" turned him from an average brain dead troll to the star he is today
>enters into a lawsuit with Urgoth Bolgrot, the Orc chainsaw star from previous editions for sharing the same surname
>he (Bolgrot the troll) wins but is attacked and murdered in cold blood after a match by Bolgrot the Orc
>Bolgrot (the Orc) is banned for life "Wasting Violent Behaviour outside of Play"

I didn't know I wanted this, but I did, and it works so well.

>>53438798
I like Blood Moon Bullies

>>53439988
Enjoy so! I just got my team of Gobbos today too with the DZ2 and Troll. Got to decide on their name too.

>>53437031
>>53437433
I'm calling my goblins the Gritzburgh Stealers

>>53437031
>>53436922
pretty sure there is a joke between the ban blood moon meme and gobbos getting banned, find the pun.

>>53344126

Would have been broken on dragon slayers. The skaven slayer is supposed to be able to break off an elf pick and murder a backfield player, or catch a turn 8 quick pass while in tackle zones then frenzy blitz/dodge toward the endzone. It's also probably the most natural ball handler on the team. None of this is saying much since frenzy is the only thing that makes them not strictly worse than a human lineman in all of these roles, but it's easy to imagine seeing one of these guys turn into bullshit with a lucky promotion or two.

>>53442613

I thought the 3 ag lineman was a typo. Never mind any of that, these guys are almost worthless.

Anyone play fumbbl on linux and able to tell me how to set this up?

>Ubuntu 17.04, x86_64
>Firefox 53 (64-bit)

>>53445848
Its as simple as having Java. Be wary Firefox no longer supports it so you need to use Google Chrome but its pretty basic. Go into "Current Games" up top, try to spectate a game and it will download the client.

Rolled 6 (1d6)

gfi

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>start up Chaos team in Matchmaking League
>play 8 games
>5-2-1
>record wise doing great
>2 Chaos warriors died in melee, 1 crippled so had to be replaced
>numerous other beastmen crippled or killed
>minotaur crippled and saved from death to niggling
>mfw

I-is this a sign from Nuffle or the Chaos Gods? Have my Chaos Warrior blockers been cursed with cardboard armour?

>>53446457
>as simple as spectating a game and it will download the client
Not quite. Seems chrome no longer supports the latest java stuff either.

I can download the jnlp file, but trying to java -jar is results in invalid/corrupt.

>>53450003
>Seems chrome no longer supports the latest java stuff either.

Anon I literally just downloaded Chrome today and it works. Are you 100% absolutely sure you have the most updated Java?

>make an account
>login
>try to spectate a game

If all else fails, I'd suggest asking the FUMBBLERS themselves.

>>53450036
The problem isn't chrome/firefox. The problem has to do with my java installation.

>>53449919
Hey, just another way to curb your team value

>>53450111
Oh. In that case anon, go to the java website, the official one, uninstall the last one (it should happen automatically during the install process) then run it.

>>53384662
I would say they are worth to replace a lineman who gets fired/killed. Shadowing makes them a nightmare for certain teams to play against, since they can force the ball carrier to block, which either holds the ball up, or it spends their blitz which lets you be far more mobile. And stab is good as a throwaway risk free armour roll. If it doesn't work, it doesn't matter. If it does, it often wins games.

>>53384662

It'll be interesting to see how people play with Poison Keepers from Pestilens, since you'll want at least one on your team with or without stab.

>>53450161

How many mens should a good chaos team play with? Like you want 3 rerolls, no mino, 4 Chosen, but how many beastmen?

Do you build the chosen for guard or just claw pomb spam? And how many beasts do you want leveled?

>>53451213

Seven with subs to taste? I don't know how else to answer this.

>>53451213
high tv you probably want 12 or 13 beastmen, maybe more if you have dirty players

>>53451577
You man 12-13 mans. If you 12 beastmen + 4 chosen would be 16 men

South City Scum, Rebel Risers, or Badlands Board of Orthodontics for next season?


http://www.strawpoll.me/13050024

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I know I was told the Mino for chaos was trash but am I just unlucky in terms of injuries?

>9 games played
>Minotaur has received 8 injuries

Guy can take on average two hits but sometimes he would just get one shotted. Also his claw and mb doesnt seem to kill much.

Whats up?

>mfw already replaced 3 warriors due to death or major stat injury

>>53453057

Murphy's Law. You can have av8 linemen that never get injured, but because Rat Ogres, Yhetees, and Minotaurs aren't av9 or better like the other Big Guys, that means they will suffer far more injuries.

>>53453115
I get the logic but jesus at this point I feel even with claw and mb the extra muscle and tv isnt worth it.

I also find it weird how a huge ass mega ripped minotaur has av8 where a fat pot bellied dopey troll has av9.

>>53453197
I assume it's tied to Trolls natural regeneration.

Trolls always felt more of a defensive piece. Especially since I started playing Underworld. Getting tentacles on one makes him into a nice piece to hold elves in place. So having them be tankier makes sense, while minotaurs are big bull men with claw that want to hatefuck everything.

>>53453197

They have tough hide and regenerate all but the worst wounds (and they often regenerate the worst wounds off the pitch)

>>53453197
In the fluff Ripper gets his fucking head cut off (and it grows back)

does this mean no more orcs having chainsaw access?

I'm playing dwarves and my Runner has just gotten his second levelup, which also happens to be his second double. Obviously I gave him Dodge on the first one, but considering he doesn't have Block yet should I just skip the double? If not, what else do I give him?

>>53455686
Guard and Side Step are possibilities.

>>53455697
Didn't even think about guard actually, that could be a solid choice. I'm not sure though, he's relatively squishy and possibly too important to shove in a scrum

>>53450003
>java -jar
There's your problem. You need to use javaws.

>>53452510
where's the git gud option

>>53455714

He's also the fastest player on your team, so he can actually get where you need those assists to be.

>>53453695
>chainsaw access
Unless Nobbla comes back out of retirement or Urgoth gets unbanned, I donf think its looking likely.

>>53455686
Jump Up, Sure Feet, Side Step, Guard

>>53456183
Jump Up on a Runner seems like an odd choice

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Stand back boys.

>>53456822
I prefer Junior.

>>53456822
I was confused when seeing his art piece first time in the book. He is literally a giant, adorable rat/hamster. Even that miniature looks really cute, minus the warpstone drool coming out of him.

Reminds me of Bob from Tekken.

>>53456870
>prefer junior
>prefer armoured Stormvermin with a claw
>over a giant adorable obese rat

Wow

The coming Forge World secret weapon goblins look pretty meh (well, fanatic looks alright), and being FW it's a price point I don't want to spend.

Any solid alternatives out there? The few I've seen looked rather bad or had some theme to them making me just not like them (Greebo Games being asian themed).

>>53458352
Too bad you didn't get in on the rcent willy miniatiures kickstarter. They had any stunty for sale for 5$ each. http://willyminiatures.com/product/goblin-star-players-secret-weapons/ http://willyminiatures.com/product/goblin-secret-weapons-4-models/

>>53458505
Not too keen on them, but hell I'd spring if they were still $5.

But seems Willy (even their old ones) are my best bet.

>>53458640
my buddy lucked out. They sent me 2x the secret weapons set when I wanted one of each. They allowed me to get another set at the same price and I sold off the weaps to a buddy.

>>53458744
Nice.

Also thinking on the Willy gobbos, could add some bits to them to make them match a little more to the newer goblins. Spikes on shoulders, big obnoxious bladed helm where I can.

Though have to ask, what is the bombardier holding? Looks like a squig or something.