How would our real world Earth react to The Imperium arriving

FROM THE LIGHTNING

AND THE TEMPEST

EMPEROR DELIVER US

I think as soon as the world powers realized that the imperium had both the capability and willingness to flatten our planet (or at the very least their country) from orbit, they'd bend the knee. If whoever showed up on behalf of the Imperium had a brain, we'd be pretty easy to divide and conquer. If someone resisted, it'd probably be as simple as to orbitally bombard one of their population centers and grant some privileges to their rivals.

I'd try to get on with my life and hope I don't get tithed into the guard.

>>53323162
Considering we have high tech industries and are nearly ready to exploit the solar system, we'd probably be mostly tithed raw materials more than anything. Maybe they'd take a tenth of our armies and turn them into guard regiments, we do have a shitload of professional soldiers and even a tenth would be huge.

>>53319828
Well of course many would die due to the forced 'abandon all religions theme'.

>There's an entire planet that knows everything about the history of the Imperium
>Commence orbital bombardment

>>53319828
>Terra, or, in the most ancient records, "Earth,"
>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Terra

Terra is literally future-earth. Learn your shit.

>>53323426
The Imperium meeting planets thinking themselves the cradle of man and not knowing about the Imperium is rather common, m8.

>>53323261
We're nowhere close to exploiting the rest of the solar system, the world is focusing ever more on itself than on what lay beyond.

We've lost our window for exploring the stars, and the locks are tightening with every shift of demographics or change in social policy.

>>53323464

In fact, it was the opening scene for the Horus Heresy novels.

>>53323426

Look at this dumb nigger

Look at this dumb nigger and laugh

>>53323426

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sixty-Three-Nineteen

>>53323328
>bring this world back into the fold
>they still remember their Imperial history
>they're... also up to speed on recent events
>they know of the Tau, they know of Chaos
>they know of hundreds of things it's heretical to even consider

We'd be purged, yes.

>>53323475
We have the means to grab an asteroid and bring it back here for exploitation. If the Imperium wants it to happen, it will. And if someone drops some tech or ships with the express purpose of exploiting the solar system, it'll go even faster.

>>53323569
Obviously we'd be purged.

>>53319828
I would die because no way I'm leaving my beliefs because an external force demanded.

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>>53323569
so the only way to save Earf is to have the entire world fall to Chaos?

>>53323601
How would that save Earth? The Imperium wipes out Chaos Worlds all the time.

>>53323612
it would have to become a daemon world before the exterminatus hits I think

>>53323475
What about the ambitious new space missions being planned by NASA and the rise of privately funded space flight in the West?

>>53323598
Billions would die. Just considering the sort of notions and beliefs which pass for standard between humans on this planet the whole planet would probably be destroyed and resettled with more amenable slaves.

>>53323624
Imperium's wiped those out too.

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>>53323655
sure

>>53323706
She's dead, killed by a Space Marine.

>>53319828
i'm pretty sure the internet would constitute a grave technoheresy and that we'd be bombed to dust.

>>53323722
Everything's been killed by a Marine.

>>53319828
Earth is a planet of Blanks.

>>53323655
They come back pretty regularly though.

>>53323808
That would be a neat concept.

>>53323775
There are plenty of imperial worlds with their own planetary info networks. Ours is just less strictly controlled and more patchy.

If anything would get earth put under exterminatus, it's the forays into primitive AI. Not that we're really far enough along for that to be an issue yet.

>>53323426

>WELL ACKSHUALLY

I think you're purposely missing the point of the hypothetical scenario in order to be a smartass. Or you're autistic.

Guess what anon - we know. You're not enlightening anyone by being a pedant. He said "our real world" probably exactly to try and avoid you assholes citing the obvious.

>>53323958

>If anything would get earth put under exterminatus, it's the forays into primitive AI

The imperium likely wouldn't use it that flippantly on a world that could be productive. Exterminatus is intended as a last resort, habitable, populous planets are a valuable resource.

Chances are they'd show up, go "Cut that shit out immediately or else", kill off most of silicone valley to send a message, shitcan whatever research we had, and get on with subjugating us.

>>53323808
>>53323953
How would that even be received by the Imperium?

>>53324120
would they be even capable of getting close to Earth? That many blanks would surely fuck up any warp travel around us.

>>53319828
More interesting would be how the Imperium reacts.

We have a more complete record of Imperial history - indeed, of galactic history - than the Imperium does. We also appear to be completely up do date on current events despite having no contact with anybody and having no psykers or mutants whatsoever. In fact, just the lack of mutants and psykers would be enough to make your average explorator under go an intense mindfreakening.

If this is the High Lords' Imperium, we'd either get purged or there would be extensive investigations into how all this came to pass. If Guilliman is Lord Commander by the time this happens, there's probably a lesser chance of purging, as I imagine he'd be intensely interested in just what the fuck is going on.

>>53324167
>Every Psyker dies upon entering our solar system

>>53324197
>"My lord. This planet has a complete history of the Imperium."
>"Everything?"
>"Everything!"
>"How is that possible?"
>"I don't know. But it gets weirder"
>"How does it get weirder than this?"
>"They have records of this very conversation already."
>"But....I....What?"
>"They even have records of what you're going to do to this planet."
>"Really? What does it say?"

>>53324238
mind fuck

>>53324238
>"It says you're going to let them remain free of the imperial tithe and cult, and import hot eldar waifs - I believe the word is waif - and assassin cue tees to to every man's doorstep."
>"By the Emperor, that does sound a lot like my typical generosity, doesn't it?"

And that's how Games Workshop saved the Earth.

>>53324238
>"It says you'll declare this planet off-limits and leave them alone."
Thank me later, guys.

>>53324492
>>53324498
Oh no, now we created alternate timelines. Maybe the Ordo Chronos will be finally be useful to unentangle this mess.

>>53319828
Honestly, they'd probably see our level of technology and drop a shit ton of tech priests here to try and figure out how we made all this shit.

>>53324238
>"I do not know, my lord. It seems to update itself periodically in an event the locals know as a 'retcon'."

>>53324543
They probably have the means to make most our stuff. If anything they'd burn a lot of our tech to the ground, and the Mechanicus would likely be horrified by the concept of personal computers and machine learning research

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>>53319828
The Rothschilds would be appointed planetary governor.

Guard conscription would be minimal. We have a population of 7 billion, thats about the same as most hive worlds.

Our great technological advances would see a large admech presence take over almost all industries in exchange for space age technologies.

Slowly, innovation would be stamped out, the new world order would consolidate control under the adeptus arbites which would be based in America.

Large numbers of anarchists would fall to chaos and anti chaos enforcers would be mustered in virtually every country.

The catholic church would be subsumed by the ecclesiarchy. They would for the most part be moderate rulers, atleast by 40k standards.

Every country with GW in it would have common lore imperium as a trained skill, and in some cases scholastic lore (legend). Those who play anything besides imperium would be sent to the work camps.

It would take literally no time atall for us to consider raising our own astarties chapter. However we would be stimied by the administratiums bureaucracy.

If your post number ends in a 6 you develop psychic powers and are plucked by the black ships. Constant daily migraines await you.

The planet would mostly be turned into an agri world, but would be quickly developing into a minor forge world specialising in missiles, mesh armour and fairly reliable machines. At first we would be extremely desirable and prosperous, however this would tale off as the admech stamped out our ingenuity and scientific method is replaced by rote memorisation.

>>53324200
That would explain why they haven't contacted us yet.

>>53324767
I'm pretty sure hive worlds are far more densely populated that Earth. It would be pretty disappointing if your incomprehensibly large arcology that reaches from possibly near the planet's core up to high in the sky could only house 7 billion people

>>53323482
There was one Dark Angels short story about Dark Angels making contact with a planet that was roughly at our stage of geo-politics and technology.

>>53324917
I think he meant hive city

>>53325035
>>53323464
>>53323482
Person that knows nothing about 40k here

How did this happen?

Pre-existing forgotten ancient human civilization?

Forgotten colony ships sent out a millennia ago?

A different species of human that evolved naturally?

>>53324767
if there is any truth to le rothschild conspiracy they would be purged for worshipping a kind of protoslaanesh

>>53325103
in the dark age of technongly humanity spread all across the stars and had increabaly advanced tech. Then warp storms made all FTL impossible and anarchy decented on each isolated planet. The Emprah revealed himself in a ruined terra united it and when FTl was restored after the stroms ended he reunited all the scattered human palce. Then bad shit happened fast forward 10000 years and we are at 40k

>>53325103
Forgotten colony ships.
At some points the extremely widespread and widely used AIs (Men of Iron) revolted and fucked shit up, and so did Chaos. An absurd number of colonies were lost and the Emperor had to start a great crusade to find them back and reconquer/integrate them. So yeah, bunch of planets lost their colonial history. The Imperium counts a lot of worlds that are still not more advanced than our dark ages or even stone age.

>>53325125
Well i think you probably dont get that smart without using peoples vices against them.

Sex is allowed in 40k, indeed its encouraged. See pleasure worlds.

>>53324767
But I already deal with constant daily migraines.

>>53325125
Half the aristocracy in many planets being about a mm away from falling to Slannesh is a fairly common theme in the fluff.

>>53323918
But never do anything meaningful other than die to Marines.

>>53323722
Chaos Gods keep bringing her back.

>>53323808
That would be awesome. A spot on the map that is just black and is not accesable with ftl. They need fly from outside the system and their navigator can't follow. We aren't conquered, but are instead highly valued as potential assasins.
That or we get insta exterminatussed because one blank alone makes people uneasy near them. What happens to an entire planet full of them

>>53323475
>We've lost our window for exploring the stars, and the locks are tightening with every shift of demographics or change in social policy.
We lost a window, don't be overly dramatic. Policy shifted away from manned flights and that is a damn shame, but we haven't just given up on space entirely. It is also helpful to remember that when we went to the moon it wasn't for scientific reasons, nor was it about extending humanities reach in to the solar system or the stars. It was a dick waving contest between the US and the USSR, and once those dicks had been measured, the US government lost the desire to really fund the programs any longer.
There could very easily be a shift by any number of countries, to send manned missions to the planets again. The Chinese seem set on attempting to set up a moon base (for yet more dick waving reasons), and NASA, ESA, and Russians all have active programs studying and refining proposals for manned flights to Mars. Public opinion isn't focused on space currently, but opinion never stays fixed forever.

>>53327304
>What happens to an entire planet full of them
Probably makes coming anywhere near the planet, maybe solar system, impossible.

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>>53319828
If they do a ground assault we'd probably win, the Imperium has worse military tech than us (no smart missiles, no reactive armor, no drones etc) the guardsmen would essentially turn into cannonfodder and space marines would just be encircled (since there's only 1k of them in each chapter and in most cases chapters divide themselves into groups of 100 marines on missions).

In space the Imperium would have a massive advantage because we don't have military installations in space. But since we'd probably steal some of the drop ships the space marines/guardsmen would use to descend we'd in a couple of months be able to reverse engineer them to be able to develop anti-space weapons.

As for xenos

Eldar would be easy to fend off since we aren't a threat to them and even if they try something their numbers are way to low to fight us.

Dark Eldar are the biggest threat out there,

Orks would be pretty easy to deal with, bio-weapons would wipe their spores and ensure that orks would never be able to infest Earth.

Tau would be a great thing since they'd give us technology for mercenaries and trade relations.

>>53329115
Hunter-killers and servo-skulls are smart missiles and drones. Also there's no reason to suppose reactive armour is the pinnacle of armour design.

>>53329115
Oh really.

You seemed to have missed the part where lasguns are as powerful as a .50 cal and can be recharded by sunlight. Our missiles have better guidance systems and are more numerous. However plasteel is far stronger than anything we have today, and thats what the flak armour is made of.

No, im afraid the reunification process would be so perfected after a billion worlds that we'd have no choice. That said, who would WANT to fight against the Emperor? You get a real god that DOES care about you out of the bargain. All else would be a tactical error.

>>53329357

That's not how lasers work, though. You could have 100% power efficiency via absolute-zero superconductors but there's no way you're putting manpack-sized solar panels (again with a spectacularly impossible 100% photo-voltaic efficiency) and getting that level of power out of a laser.

*Especially* not with a len diameter that small. That isn't how lasers work. That isn't how energy works.

>>53329688
Science has moved on in 30,000 years. Your primitve concepts of energy conservation don't hold.

>>53329823

They do, though.

Look, I can imagine some pretty advanced shit knowing things we know about physics. Such as computronium armor that uses programmable matter to detect a laser's incoming wavestate and react by altering itself into a reflective surface between that time and the particle component's arrival.

Or reacting to incoming kinetic penetrators by using zero-point field theory to create a reverse gravitic field phenomenon with a 1:1 ratio to incoming force, dumping a bullet's mass into vacuum decay. Guns that use spacefolding technology to drop kinetic rounds directly on top of a target after they leave the barrel that were developed to counter the above.

But lasers *don't work that way.* The sun generates a fixed amount of energy. Your technology isn't making the sun better.

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>>53319828
>implying we aren't already in the middle of a "soft" Imperial reintegration program

>>53329823
>Primitive concepts of energy conservation
>Energy conservation

If the imperium had the tech level to build anti-entropic energy condensers into infantrymen's rifle magazines, I don't think they'd even have any further use for conventional warfare. Or any other weapons. You could literally build cannon shells that start going faster when they hit things.

>>53329874
It's retarded but that's how 40k works.

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>>53323598
Christianity is close enough to the imperial faith to squeeze by. Some planets worship the sun, if they can live in the imperium so can earth.

>>53319828
Side question, which of the primarchs home planets is most similar to our current day earth? Wondering which primarch we could have gotten and which legion we'd be serving in

>>53329874
No that anon but you are a primitive so shut the fuck up heretic.

>>53330044

Here's how retarded, though.

A .50 BMG round imparts about 15,037 joules of energy at its' optimum range. Not all of this is transferred to a target, but not all of a lasgun's is either, so whatever.

So we can do a calculation we'll say a .50 BMG does its' damage to a humanoid target over a tenth of a second. That's incredibly generous, but whatever.

This requires 150,037 watts of power to generate, or about 150 kilowatts.

Since the guardsman will only see the sun for 8 hours, and probably can't carry a pack more than a meter squared in size, we'll say it has a 100% energy efficiency.

On earth (a habitable planet the guardsman might be fighting on), a given square meter of ground receives 4.8 kilowatt/hours of energy.

Our guardsman needs 31,250 hours of sunlight (or about 3906 days) to recharge his powerpack for a single shot.

>>53324516
If you don't think the time keeping order is useless then kill yourself.

>>53319828
I don't know, would we all he killed because planer of blanks, even if we're chaos/xenos-free?

Earths space marines would be the best marines.

>>53330191
The intense revulsion felt from space might lead to preemptive exterminatus.

>>53330122
Honestly, all three of the Abrahamic faiths would probably fly in the Imperium. God/Allah/YHWH could all be swung to be "aspects of the Emperor" and let slide. Whether or not the Ecclesiarchy would be cool with three different interpretations of the Imperial Faith on one planet is what's up in the air. That's a lot of bullshit to police.

>>53330168
Your right. I guess we have nothing left to learn. All possibilities have been shut down. Science is finished.

Also, its sci fi. Not sci fact.

>>53330026
Anon, DAoT humanity had weaponized singularities and created a spacecraft weapon that forcibly shoved the target a fraction of a second into the past, where it violently collided/fused with its previous self. The Imperium of Man is a bunch of dirty children playing with scraps. It's entirely possible that their lasers really are just that bullshit, but since some fuckhead on Mars won't let anybody look at the instruction manual nobody can adapt the technology to other uses.

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>>53330258

Moving the goalposts.

Again, the sun can't get stronger than that (or you would die), and you can't have more than 100% efficiency. You aren't allowed.

"Sci" has long since gone out the window. Your fantasy setting is written by people who haven't even bothered to sit down and figure out what a gun even looks like.

>>53330258

Addendum; I didn't even get into lens radius or beam diffraction over distance, either. I assumed all of those were perfect.

>>53330308
>Your fantasy setting is written by people who haven't even bothered to sit down and figure out what a gun even looks like.
Well, they're British.

>>53323311
>He can't imagine Christian, Muslim, or Jewish veneration of the Emperor as the image of God, fighting alongside one another at last in one massive Abrahamic crusade-jihad
pathetic desu

>>53330308
>Moving the goalposts.

Literally where? The argument hasn't changed. The fluff is retarded. You're retarded for taking it seriously.

>>53329280
>Hunter-killers and servo-skulls are smart missiles and drones.

Servo-skulls are worse than the current drone we have though, while the skulls only float a couple of feet above the ground our drones can fly anywhere from a couple of feet above the ground to 60,000 feet (Global Hawk UAV).

But you're right about Hunter-killer missiles, I forgot about them.

> Also there's no reason to suppose reactive armour is the pinnacle of armour design.

True, but I believe that having the ability to put an extra line of defense on a tank is better than to not have the ability to do that.

>>53329357
>Oh really.
>You seemed to have missed the part where lasguns are as powerful as a .50 cal and can be recharded by sunlight.

Not really, Lasguns are weaker than Heavy Stubbers which themselves are equivalent in firepower to M60 machine guns. So modern (actually using 'modern' might be a stretch since the M60 design is around 60 years now) weapons, firing 7.62*51, are stronger than the Lasguns Imperial Guardsmen use.

>However plasteel is far stronger than anything we have today, and thats what the flak armour is made of.

Plasteel is just an iron alloy so it can't be that much more powerful than modern steels.

>No, im afraid the reunification process would be so perfected after a billion worlds that we'd have no choice.

Most of those worlds where either conquered by a space marine legion (numbering in the hundreds of thousands of space marines along with Imperial Guard support) or where in a pre-industrial state of development.

>That said, who would WANT to fight against the Emperor? You get a real god that DOES care about you out of the bargain.

He doesn't even care about his own children.

>>53330209

Especially since ours would be picked from special forces unlike the other chapters that mostly reqruirt murderous criminals and psychopats (and then wonder why they switch sides to Chaos).

>>53330340

Then why the hell did you argue with me in the first place?

>>53330364
I'm not who you were arguing with. I'm just pointing out that you are, in fact, retarded.

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>>53330308
>Moving the goalposts.

Nope. Its sci fi, not sci fact.

Its always been this way, from the start. The goalposts have never moved.

And the fact that you would try to use a critical thinking fallacy incorrectly to prove me wrong speaks of a weakmindedness. Im sure that with enough debate this can be hammered out, but i'd watch out for it.

Also, you must get really angry at the fact that chaos theroy exists. If order can spontaniously arise out of disorder, than a lasgun can charge faster. Afterall its not like the speed of light is constant or anything. Thats just what they tell kids.

>>53330362
Your wrong.

But i dont have to fix it for you. You can stay wrong for all i care.

>>53330387
>>53330384

*Sigh*

Both of you please stop posting and read the thread title.

>>53330408
>Your wrong.

The irony is that you spelled that wrong.

>>53330419
>*Sigh*

Please stop posting forever

>>53330419
Yes. And Real-life Earth loses to 38,000 years of Technobabble sci-fi advancement

>But muh laws of physics!

That'll be a valid argument in about 30,000 years.

>>53330458

Literally kys.

le ebindark 40k maymay, amirite? science is goof!!!

>Thread about how earth would react to imperial annexation
>'well what if war?'
>Anon tries to talk about how war would go technology wise
>'well imperium technology can't be compared to reality, you just lose because it's better'
>Stop posting,kys,wrong,fallacy fallacies

This is the special kind of cancerous shitshow I come to /tg/ expecting. You guys never let me down.

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>>53330429
The irony is that every person that says that to me is committing a straw man and thus is proving themselves wrong.

I almost leave it there intentionally now as an iq check for grammar nazis.

>>53329874
>The sun generates a fixed amount of energy.
Your ignorance is fucking astonishing, anon.

>>53330419
The thead has no title though.

40k has to work someway, otherwise they disappear in a puff of logic. Thus, if the lasgun power pack can carry enough charge to blow off limbs after being recharged by sunlight in universe, it just works in the current scenario.

Argue logistics, tactics, stragegy, doctrine. Not the science, because it leads to the fictional universe losing instantly.

>>53329981
So, the mysterious source of funding for far-right parties around the world over the last few years has been the Imperium of Man, not Putin?

>>53330505
Detractors moan after being proven wrong.

Now THAT is a cancer.

>>53330538
That's not a straw man.

>>53319828
We'd let them, be assimilated, steal every piece of their tech, improve the fucking shit out of it, and take over the Imperium.

Because the idea that "lesser civilizations are destroyed by greater ones" doesn't work when it's a sophisticated civilization being absorbed. We're not savages, we're not stupid, and we can innovate and deceive. Most savage societies can do none of those things.

>>53330573
Putin can be the middle man though.

>>53323808
Sound a bit op you think? With tjat many blanks they could farm for as many as they want. Hell they might try and make a blank chapter.

>>53330604
Right. I'm sure the Imperium has never had to take over planet that still had scientists and engineers on it. No doubt they'd just turn a blind eye to all the rampant tech-heresy and not turn anyone who takes apart a lasgun to see how it works into a servitor.

>>53330578
>"Detractors"

Is...40k a political affiliation now? The fuck.

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>>53330588
Your right, i mixed up ad homenim with straw man. I am better than that...

I will now commit habanero.

>all this harping over the "charge the packs in sunlight" thing
You realize that's not the primary (or even in the top half of the list) method of charging them, right? Using solar, like tossing them in a fire, is a last-ditch "oh no we've lost logistic support and the generator's dead" measure meant to just give you SOMETHING in the tank, even if it's just a half-dozen low-power shots. By any real metric it might as well not exist, but that's exactly the sort of feature the Imperium will hype up in the Uplifting Primer in an attempt to push the propaganda.

>>53330628

Blanks are incapable of being space marines.

>>53330680

If the powerpack overloads carrying that density of energy the detonation would wipe out the entire infantry segment.

>>53330636
So everyone in the imperium is psychic and knows what is going on? That doesn't even happen in the fucking HFY books about WH40K.

If they were capable of stomping out TechHeresy and removing all opposition, there wouldn't be a fucking Inquisition order in the first place, dipshit.

>>53330664
It always has been. If you dare to speak out agaisnt WH40Kid superiority, you are evil and wrong headed.

>>53330704
No, I'm saying that if you think that just doing science to whatever they give us is going to suddenly give us the tech to take over the Imperium, you're the one being dumb.

>>53330735

As an X-Com operative, I resent that statement.

>>53330809
You really think in 10,000 years, the Imperium has never brought a human civilization into the fold and then had them try to actually make progress?

Best case scenario, we get away with it long enough to make something useful, then get blown to hell because a world with improved Imperial Guard tech still isn't shit.

>>53330735
I did not specify that it would be immediate or even short term. If the im,perium was as all powerful and all consumign as you say, ther ewould be no Rogue Traders, no xenos, no Orks, and certainly no Heresy.

You're literally saying humans are stupider than humans and therefor cannot win.

>>53330846

Chill out man, I have 50 ballistic skill.

There's some veteran imperial guardsmen that could probably shoot better.

>>53330703
Yeah, thats basically what happens.

>>53330362
>Servo Skulls
They are flying candles to intelligent drones that can track a single target by "smell" whatever the fuck that means

>Lasguns and Heavy Stubbers.
Since you know nothing about gun lore and you are bitching about it I'll brake it down for you.

Stubbers and automatic stubbers are basically all modern weapons that use casing in their bullets

Auto weapons go from caseless, case base weapons, mini rail guns, to recoiless guns, a combination of the former or just brrrrrtt than an automatic stubber.

Lasguns on the other hand go from just poking a hole to blowing arms off depending on the charge of the gun. The main thing about las tech is that one battery fits almost any kind of pistol, rifle, canons respectively


>Plasteel
Even trying to discuss the future tech and magic bullshit of the inconsistent lore this material has is just retarded.
The bloody thing goes from breaking if you punch them hard to shrugging off a nuke.


Have your (you)

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>>53330419
>*Sigh*

summer fucking sucks

>>53330859
It has already happened, its called the Age of Apostasy.

It changed very little.

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>>53319828
>OP is butthurt that Nids lost the war, makes a thread against modern humans so his WH40 universe can win.

>>53330859
You don't need to be all powerful for this. It's just part of the process of joining the Imperium.

Tech priests are gonna come down pretty early on to sort out what is and isn't tech heresy. They're gonna be the ones doing maintenance and keeping track of everything.

Yeah, you might end up smuggling guns out, but how long-term are these plans of yours that you'll have enough scientists alive to figure out the tens of thousands of year gaps in technology? How many are going to want to risk their lives to try and make you a slightly better laser rifle? Once you have that all figured out, how many people are going to want to join you and not just turn you in after living so long under Imperial rule?

>there would be no Rogue Traders

And this just makes me think you don't know the setting, because Rogue Traders are specifically given a Writ by the Imperium to do what they do. They aren't enemies of the state.

As for the other things, wiping out all heresy and xenos everywhere is a tall order. Wiping out one planet of newcomers who think they're clever enough to outsmart the empire that's been doing this for longer than civilization has existed on their planet? Not so much.

>>53330573
Hi Hillary.

>>53330703
Using overcharged lasgun packs as improved antitank grenades is a well-documented practice. Unfortunately it's also considered tech-heresy and a waste of the Emperor's munitions, and as a result actually doing so will get you shot.

>>53319828
>Sir Guilliman, we found a human planet where it seems they know everything about the Imperium, the Chaos Scum and the Xenos.
>We even found that they like to play some games using miniatures that mimick the likes of our Adeptus forces! Or games where they like to "play" soldiers from the Imperial Navy Sir.
>Who in the hell would like to pla... I mean, do they have a miniature of me as well?
>Yes Sir.
>Does it look good?
>Well sir, you have to paint it yourself, but the basic model is kind of similar to your godly effigy.
>No Tithes.

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>>53330573
Theres only one group of people with a false sense of superiority im worried about.

>>53330859
RT is the equivalent of giving a politically and influential individual the title of Lord in the UK, they can't refuse the title, but once they are a Lord they lose the political power.

Becoming an RT is basically saying to someone to fuck off you got to powerful for your own good.

>>53330964
See, the thing that bothers me is that supposedly the Imperium is the most technologically advanced group of humans out there, and that no other planet has comparable tech or scientists that can match the Imperium at all.

Or are those things just lies?

>>53331106
40k is a grimdark setting for a reason. Tech stagnation is a part of that.

Any more technologically advanced societies in the universe got there by not joining the Imperium. And they don't take over the Imperium because it's fuckoff huge, and the advantages in tech aren't enough to offset that.

>>53331026
>implying they're not in on it too
Everyone's been assuming that all this "there is only one race, the human race" stuff in the media is a leftist plot to weaken the West. But what if it's actually about conditioning us to hate aliens instead of other humans?

Black and white team up against green.

>>53331106
Possibly somewhere in the Galaxy remains a complete, uncorrupted STC. This treasure would make the planet it is on the most advanced in the galaxy, where human technology is concerned, if it exists.

Other than that, Mars hoards all technology it can gets its mechadendrites on. And since they have the most, theirs is the most advanced human tech in the Galaxy.

>>53330362
Special forces soldiers would be to old to get implants but I can imagine earths chapter operating like them.

Not to mention a really large and diverse population to pick from and some of the technology advancements or modifications on the marines arsenal.

>>53324767

>Most Hiveworlds

A hive world can have tens of billions of people on it, some a lot more.

A hive world is a world litteres with scores of hives, a piece of fluff once said they tried to do do an audit of just one hive but gave up after reaching a few billion before they even descended into the lower hive areas.

>>53330419

>*Sigh*

>>53319828
I'd be simultaneously overjoyed and horrified.

>>53331106
>Or are those things just lies?

More likely a combination of propaganda and self fulfilling expectations. Remember that the Imperium of Man claims to unite all of mankind, but "lost colonies" are found on a regular basis. Also, remember that the Imperium with try to exterminate and society that engages in extensive "tech-heresy" like making AIs. Canonically, they are on record as having destroyed more advanced human societies using superior numbers/firepower.

>>53319828
Im run into the wood

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>>53324767
>We have a population of 7 billion, thats about the same as most hive worlds.

More like the same as most hives. See pic related.

>>53331844
Hive City.
Hive Worlds have multiple cities.

But then again GW can't into numbers with more than two digits.

Im an anarchist and i dont want to, kill everyone whit my RAGE, praise nurgle, or fall in hedonism. Mosts anarchists will probably fall to the changer of way or Malal

>>53324767
Im an anarchist and i dont want to, kill everyone whit my RAGE, praise nurgle, or fall in hedonism. Mosts anarchists will probably fall to the changer of way or Malal

>>53323808
It would explain why the fuck we keep murdering each other

>>53329115
oh look /k/ has arrived

>>53329115
Imperium has particular kind of exterminatus techniques, and one uses really strong bio-weapons that only leaves skeletons of everything they encounter, and yet, some spores can survive even that.

Also, I think it will be difficult to reverse engineer a whole ship, they are bigger than any other thing that humaity has ever saw, kilometers, and kilometers long, also we don't have the knowledge of machine spirits and all the logic behind them.

Saying months is being optimistic at best, and I don't think we will be able to last that long against the Imperium, also they can just say "fuck it" and destroy the planet surface if they think it will be a waste of resources.

Also, we don't have access to powerful lasers and bolter weapons and bio-engineer soldier made for combat that are taller than the tallest man on Earth with herculean strenght and durability.

>>53332511
Also, we don't have access to psykers, they do, and a psyker can stomp entire armies if they are powerful enough.

Just think that there are also psykers that are also the living tanks that I mentioned before

>>53329115
This is too optimistic. You drastically underestimate how god damned huge their forces are. Yeah, we've probably got better guns/armor but the sheer number of bodies that the imperial guard can bring to the table is just fucking ridiculous. Their smallest destroyer ships are about a kilometer long, Do you know how many people can fit on that ship? A fuck load. And thats not even the main ship in the fleet. We can't even risk shooting it down because re-entry would fuck us over. The amount of effort it would take to kill enough of them so that they'd leave is just staggering and then they'd probably just exterminatus us instead of let us live.

>>53332023
>admitting you're an anarchist
Pretty fucking embarrassing son.

>>53331080
That is so untrue I don't even know how to respond.
Being a RT gives you more power and freedom than the vast majority of nobels to the point where they can do pretty much anything they fucking want with almost no consequences.

We form XCOM and get our asses handed to us

>>53333568
No that guy but in the RPG they make a point about how being granted a writ can also be used as a tool to remove your political enemies. Rogue Traders are only that powerful outside of the Imperium, thats where they're meant to be. Giving a writ of trade to someone poised to become, say, a high lord, fucks over his decades or even centuries of plotting and removes him as a threat.

At least until he comes back having made his fortune in the uncharted regions beyond the Imperium and murders you in your sleep.

>>53331000
>The Tithes shall be in miniatures of Imperial forces for all the Imperial citizens

>>53332885
Why?

>>53323808
Thank you, I have a new background for the dudes I'm making for 8th.

I'm pretty sure as a planet full of blanks, we either get immediately virus bombed, or the imperium would rush everything to subdue the local populace and start tithing those sweet, sweet blank armies.

Once earth had been conquered, we would definitely have it pretty good compared to most other worlds. I would be fairly sure they would chuck a competent planetary govenor in command, make sure the tithe is paid and most everything else would carry on as normal except all your current jobs would be converted to more imperial standard work.

>>53324879
Requesting Writefags for planet of the blanks

>>53334749
Why would they purge a planet of blanks? Unless the person who founded it was a psyker Inquisitor with an itchy trigger finger for things that make his brain uncomfortable.

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>>53329115
>the Imperium has worse military tech than us

Laughable.

>smart missiles
>drones

Drones are only good against illiterate desert savages. Any country with an IT department can hack them. Just ask Iran. If Iran can hack our drones, then imagine what tech priests can do. One tech priest can probably crash the entire internet and electric grid.

>guardsmen would essentially turn into cannonfodder

They have better weapons, armor and experience then American soldiers.

>space marines

Are bulletproof. Only anti-armor weapons can even dent them. If a drop pod landed in the middle of the Pentagon, then say good bye to the Pentagon.

>drop ships
>we'd in a couple of months be able to reverse engineer them to be able to develop anti-space weapons

You are completely delusional. Apple can't even design a new iphone in "a couple of months". You think you can reverse engineer a fucking spaceship using science and technology you don't even understand, in the same time? Wrong. Maybe in a couple of decades you can figure out how its fusion reactor works. Maybe in a century you could build an energy shield.

>>53334853
Because the Imperium is fucking crazy and a planet full of blanks could easily be classed as mutant abominations and blown to shit before anyone with brains could tell then to stop being retarded.

>>53334906
We could definitely do better than the century timeframe, but yeah, decades at the very least to have some form of functional ship/advanced fighting force. At which point it's way too fucking late.

>>53334906
>Are bulletproof

The handcannon in the GW sanctioned 40k RPGs can damage them.

>>53335071
They aren't totally bulletproof obviously, but as far as storming buildings full of guys with small arms and maybe assault rifles, they would essentially be walking tanks firing small rockets.

>>53334749

This seems like a pretty sweat deal, our criminals and people desperate enough to volunteer would be our main source of tithe. It be easy to cover.

>>53335098
More like Humvees firing 25mm grenades. Again, the handcannon, which is well within the range of regular small arms in capability, can penetrate their armour.

>>53335119
And actually, it's more like 20mm grenades.

I don't know how the world at large would react to it but I know how I would.

Fabricate red robes out of whatever I have on hand and find some other fanatical crazy people. Take over the biggest transmitter I can find (possibly multiple ones depending on proximity) and send out a signal requesting evac for myself and the rest of the Omnissiah's faithful. Whenever I'm not broadcasting we'll run Imperial prayers on loop.

If I'm stopped by Imperial forces I can produce my uplifting primer.

So yeah, throw up the sign of the gear and hope for the best.

>>53324767
>The Rothschilds would be appointed planetary governor.
They'd likely go with the leader of the largest military power. They tend to try and keep the status quo on that front. The question is if Trump gets executed for incompetence, seeing as a lot of his gaffes wouldn't be an issue for a planetary governor.

>Guard conscription would be minimal. We have a population of 7 billion, thats about the same as most hive worlds.
The same as a small hive, maybe.

>Slowly, innovation would be stamped out, the new world order would consolidate control under the adeptus arbites which would be based in America.
Nah, would be based in Asia, More people there, and an overland route to Europe, the middle east and Africa.

>Large numbers of anarchists would fall to chaos and anti chaos enforcers would be mustered in virtually every country.
Not all rebellions fall to chaos right away.

>It would take literally no time atall for us to consider raising our own astarties chapter. However we would be stimied by the administratiums bureaucracy.
Not how that works. Planets don't get to petition to raise a new host of angels.

>If your post number ends in a 6 you develop psychic powers and are plucked by the black ships. Constant daily migraines await you.
1/10 people are psykers? Nah, if your post ends in 99 more like.

>
The planet would mostly be turned into an agri world, but would be quickly developing into a minor forge world specialising in missiles, mesh armour and fairly reliable machines. At first we would be extremely desirable and prosperous, however this would tale off as the admech stamped out our ingenuity and scientific method is replaced by rote memorisation.
Both are unlikely. We're more likely to be another Imperial world, with both some agriculture and some manufacturing. We managed to be undiscovered this long, so we're off the beaten track so the high-volume shipping in/out required for a more specialised world is unlikely.

>>53329115
>If they do a ground assault we'd probably win, the Imperium has worse military tech than us (no smart missiles, no reactive armor, no drones etc) the guardsmen would essentially turn into cannonfodder and space marines would just be encircled (since there's only 1k of them in each chapter and in most cases chapters divide themselves into groups of 100 marines on missions).
Ohwaityourserious.gif

>>53335071
Barely and only in some cases.
>All values here are repeated from memory so I could be wrong about any of them.

With that disclaimer I believe a handcannon does 1d10+3 damage while space marine armor blocks 8 damage on the body and 6 on extremities (damage values again based on memory and given for mark 7 aquila armor unless I've confused it with mark 6 corvus)

We'll assume the hand cannon is hitting an extremity and dealing max damage without righteous fury (because righteous fury means that hucking a brick at Kharn the Betrayer can theoretically kill him). So the gun deals 13 damage and we subtract 6, leaving us with 7 damage. Marines get unnatural toughness which means that their toughness modifier (subtracted from damage after armor) is doubled. The value is almost certainly at least 30 (giving them a toughness mod of 3 before unnatural toughness doubles it to 6)

This means that on a roll of 10 a marine takes at max 1 damage (again, ignoring righteous fury). This would be a pretty rank and file marine too since hitting 40 toughness for a marine is a goddamn cakewalk. At that point, even an extremity shot still takes away 14 damage from every shot, meaning the handcannon can't hurt them without righteous fury.

So yeah, they're not technically bulletproof but you can pump some pretty fucking big rounds into them without them so much as flinching. And this is while they're returning fire with oversized exploding rounds fired on full auto.

>>53329688
>>53330308
Canon says they've figured out how to make it work. Sufficiently advanced technology looks a lot like magic and all that. It doesn't matter that it's not possible IRL, it's possible in 40k and we know it because that's how it works in 40k.

>>53330232
Expect whichever faith comes around to calling God and God-Emps one and the same to become dominant and the others purged a bit before being let in.

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>>53319828
I'd summon the Eldar to kick Imperial ass.

Remember: Eldar never tried to exterminate alien life in their empire, Eldar have best technology, aspect armor is coolest looking armor, Eldar are less prone to Chaos corruption than humans. We can learn much from the Eldar if we give them a chance.

>>53335388
>t. retarded space elf

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>>53323475
This is a sad truth. We should be in an age of active manned space exploration right now! Instead all of society has their attention turned to how to make fags feel more accepted or how to make women earn an extra $0.05 cents an hour at McCucks. 3rd world immigration from places where people never even invented the wheel will make sure to turn more and more civilized nations into garbage heaps of human waste as time goes on.

We're stuck here. We're fucking stuck on this planet and it's bullshit.

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>>53335224
>his gaffes

You watch too much (((CNN))).

Barron Trump would be hailed as a newly found Primarch. Only ten and he's already taller than manlets. Imagine Barron in power armor, executing globalists for pedophilia and cannibalism.

How would space marines from earth fight in melee? Would we see a modern soldiers training method or something more akin to European knights or a mesh of a bunch of shit.

>>53335388
>Eldar are less prone to Chaos corruption than humans

Their empire fell to chaos and gave birth to a chaos god. Fail.

Submission to the Imperium will come after a relative short orbital bombardment; nukes prove insufficient as they merely force the smaller ships to temporally break off their bombardment before their void shields recharge and the bigger ships appear unperturbed by consecutive nuclear strikes against their void shields. Without means to stop the bombardment and facing systematic annihilation from orbit the leading nations call for armistice and afterwards submission after the Imperium concedes self-rule at a national level. Most nations follow their example, with a few just needing threats to comply and maybe North Korea being made an example after pissing the Imperial envoys.

The Security Council becomes the Planetary Council and while pretty much acting the same as before, sometimes they all push with their collective weigh in the same direction because they know they have to answer to the Imperium now.

>>53330168
You're not wrong about it being retarded, but your math is just as retarded.

Watts are simply joules per second, and just so, Joules are watts multiplied by time. A kilowatt hour is 1000 watts * 1 hour.
That's 1000 * 60 * 60 J
That's 3,600,000J, as much as 239 .50cal shots.
And that's terrible.

Of course, a lasgun pack is the little battery the size and shape of a detachable box magazine for a gun, so it's much smaller than a square meter, but I'd imagine if you left it in the sun for a month or two it'd gain a fair bit of charge assuming good efficiency.

>>53335525
>CNN
Wrong nation, buddy.

Regardless of what you think of his policies, he's managed a lot of foot-in-mouth moments. Not unsurprising for someone that's not a career politician, but that doesn't make them not happen. The IoM doesn't take excuses, but it's less likely to care what the populace thinks as long as he keeps them nice and subjugated and can make tithe. Unless he badmouths the IoM he'd likely be fine. Otherwise he might find out WRY it's best to keep your mouth shut sometimes.

Barron isn't big enough for Primarch and would have had to have to be a warrior of renown now to make Marine. Your scenario would be more believable with him being equivilent to a Spyrer, so it'd be a Hunter Rig.

>>53335535
They'd be recruiting from child soldiers, and teaching them whatever combat techniques the veterans marines teaching the new chapter recruits have. It's unlikely that our martial arts would make it in to a hypothetical marine that gets recruited from our planet.

>>53335665
Each chapter is shaped by it's recruitment world and the recruits that can make it have to be taught how to fight, wouldn't be absurd that they would carry certain earth bound techniques with them.

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>>53325103
It's kind of like how negros think they wuz 'gyptian n sheet. History gets lost, confused, or deliberately destroyed over time.

In 40k humans basically migrated all around the Eldar Empire and squatted on the land. The Eldar really didn't care. Humans are like animals to them so this is like a flock of pigeons spreading to different cities.

As the Eldar Empire descended into civil war warp storms sprang up around the galaxy. Entire systems were cut off for thousands of years. Most humans lost contact with their mother planet and many others. Some didn't have the best technology or resources so they stagnated. Other planets' gravity/environments affected human growth and produced creatures like the Ogryn, who are border-line retarded.

Their world or solar system became all that many humans knew of space. It's not surprising that many would assume that their species had always been there after producing thousands of years of history and not knowing anything else.

Around the year 30k Slaanesh was born. When he was born he killed almost all the Eldar. After his birth, the warp storms subsided and intergalactic travel was possible again. This is when the humans began reuniting. They immediately fucked it all up in the Horus Heresy. And now we are here, in the Age of Girlymen.

>>53335590
>Their empire fell to chaos and gave birth to a chaos god

After 60 million years of success, the Eldar fell.

Humans fucked theirs up in 200 years and have been in a constant state of nearly losing their shit since. Now Chaos has foot soldiers all over the materium. Fail.

>>53335700
In our case, we'd likely be one recruitment world of many, and most of our recruits wouldn't have been taught formal martial arts. Remember you usually have to be a warrior of renown before puberty is done with you. So we're talking child soldiers for the most part. There's a reason they tend to recruit from hellholes.

I guess they could get all Ultra on us and set up academies where the best and boldest could be recruited from though.

>>53335535
Earth Marines would be known as dishonorable bastards with a taste for brutality. In short some variation of Krav Maga only with more chainswords, powerfists and even fewer fucks given.

>>53329115
Fucking kek you just outright dismissed a chapter of space marines saying we would surround them? M8 they would drop 10 dudes into every major government headquarters or palace simultaneously and eliminate all of our planets leaders in minutes. No land troops would be able to stop them in time

Will the Imperium destroy all our chemical research facilities?

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>>53335535
My guess is that they would probably use picket signs to tell the enemy how they are feeling and that prejudice is not ok. Their red beaks and purple hair would serve as a warning to potential predators, "stay back!". After verbally beating down the enemy the Earth Marine would educate hostile planets on what pronouns to use.

>>53335646
He'd definitely be dumb enough to badmouth both the IoM and Emps. Hopefully somebody'd be smart enough to kill him there and then.

>>53335984
Yeah because all of the world's leaders are always in their government headquarters all the time. As if most of these asshats aren't out playing golf or flying in private jets on the taxpayer's dime. Good luck trying to find them.

>>53336014
I know this is a satirical post but it rustles me still

>>53331026
With their physical characteristics they are obviously tzeentchians

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>>53319828
I wonder how The Imperium would react to place like Thailand and Pattaya where you almost feel Slaanesh breaching the fabric of reality between Warp and Real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h4_WUnUi0

>>53334749
Unless we get found by black templars.

Would Imperial Humans even recognize us as human ? 38,000 years of genetic drift and genetic engineering probably makes us look very different to them.
Wasn't there a conspiracy theory that imperials are actually genetic androids that are descendent from humanity that went (almost) extinct ?

Would Africans be classified as humans ? Or as beastmen and put into penal legions ?

What about people like Aboriginese ?

>>53334749
>
Once earth had been conquered, we would definitely have it pretty good compared to most other worlds. I would be fairly sure they would chuck a competent planetary govenor in command, make sure the tithe is paid and most everything else would carry on as normal except all your current jobs would be converted to more

I don't think Rotschilds would have a governor. Security Council probably would become Planetary Council and the governor would be nominated from its ranks. China and USA are basically on the same power level today so its either their leaders or Putin if Imperium decides that a more capable military leader is needed.
I can see Russia being in charge of organizing military of the planet, China industry and workers and USA administration.
Countries with ultra-conservative populations like Visegrad Four(Poland, Hungary, Czechs and Slovaks) supplying police and shock troops, while Africa being supply of expendable labor and penal legions.
Rotschilds would probably try to sneak into administration and it would be fun to see Alex Jones being recruited by the inquisition.

>>53337020
>What about people like Aboriginese?
They're barely considered human by us why would the Imperium consider them so?

>>53337020
The Imperium counts a bazillion worlds, its humans already look very different from each others.

>>53336954
Slaanesh is about perfection, not being a fag. This shit is literally anti-perfection and therefore anti-Slaanesh. Tzeentch is the god of change, trannies belong to him.

>>53323311
This. As an unironic Christfag I would be choosing death over denying God. I like Emps, but he's no Messiah.

>>53337273
>Slaanesh is about perfection, not being a fag.
Slaanesh is literally a ladyboy according to the lore.

>>53319828

We have a rare, extremely valuable resource to share with the Imperium.

Actually competent tacticians, and a decent tech base that is untouched by Chaos, with accompanying scientists and engineers that can actually innovate.

You can't update the firmware on your plasma guns because machine spirit? No problem, here, you can start from Babbage and Turing and get back to your current firmware from first principles, then improve on it.

We could be the Imperium's Silicon Valley ere long.

>>53336064
Implying if 50 space marines dropped into the pentagon that wouldn't seriously fuck up any us resistance

>>53337323
He's made up of roughly equal male and female spirits so he's half male half female. He's not a tranny. He's not about change or Thaiboi sexual transitioning. Again, that's Tzeentch's realm.

>>53337289

I need to pick an unironic Christfag fa/tg/uy's brain at some point. I've ran a Left Behind quest set in the Millennial Kingdom, in which the players work for The Other Light, and wanted to see if there would be any way to do a VS game.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=left%20beyond (this iteration is complete)

>>53337366
As if that would stop the US military from retaliating. Since earth nations operate on different timezones space marines would be giving up the element of surprise by dropping in. Everyone else would have time to prepare. Space marines would lose badly.

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>>53337376
>He's made up of roughly equal male and female spirits so he's half male half female. He's not a tranny.

Whatever helps you to cope while gulping down that non-homo Slaanesh cock.

>>53337418
Space marines don't operate alone, it's not just 100 marines against 7 billlion of us, they hit high value targets while the IG do the rest, they would hit all of our world's military centres simultaneously while the IG take the brunt of our troops
Space marines would absolutely smash us m8 it's like fighting against an army with godmode and aimbot bot irl, any target they hit they would crush

>>53337481

> implying that /tg/ isn't /d/'s blue board

>>53324559
Ahh The Ordo Chronos have arrived I see

>>53329115
One Titan. GG earth surrenders, we have nothing that can compete with a Titan. Earth could potentially take down an Imperial Knight with MOAB/FOABs etc, but any Titan above War-hound class? Earth has nothing that can really work.

>>53330232
This is the Ecclesiarchy, who allow basically any interpretation of the God Emperor up to a point. They allow Redemptionists to exist alongside those who worship the Emperor as a sun-god.

>>53337563

Large, clumsy bipedal mech? Mines. Wire. Suicide bombers hugging the ankles with backpacks full of C4. Use firefighting planes to turn the terrain it's standing on into a mire.

>>53337418
What.
Starting from orbit using drop pods, they could target many critical places across the globe inside one hour, essentially simultaneously.

There is no time to prepare for that. Moreover, Space Marines are not all Tacticals or Assault Marines. Scouts with cameleoline cloaks could prepare the terrain and cause a lot of damage in less critical targets within the same timeframe.

And that's assuming they would give up an advantageous position by dropping down when they have the high ground where they are untouchable.

>>53337600
firefighting planes need to fly pretty low to be effective, and would be shot down, just like anything else in nearby airspace.

>>53337623

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 As long as they deliver one payload...

>>53330232
>Honestly, all three of the Abrahamic faiths would probably fly in the Imperium

But the Imperium wouldn't fly with the three Abrahamic faiths.
Muslims deny the Christian God because their god doesn't have a son.
The Christians believe, among other things, that muslims worship satan, not God, because they kneel to a being that claims to be god but doesn't have a son that was Jesus.
The Jews denied Jesus, the very being they waited millennia for, simply because the way he fulfilled all their prophecies wasn't immediate or materialistic enough for them.
If the three groups who are supposed to technically worship the same being can't agree on who has the right version when there is only relatively small variances between them, there is no way that they would believe that the Emperor is actually God, when he shares so little in common with Him.
Sure, some people could fake that their Sunday worship of Christ is actually a version of the Emperor (especially as old GW fluff decided that Jesus was Big E) but any real adherent knows this is (actual) heresy.
And while the muslims and the jews have taqiyya and whatever the Talmudic version of that is, Christians aren't allowed to renounce God even under pain of death.
Not trying to pick a fight,
just clarifying as far as my knowledge goes

>>53337600
Large Bipedal mech with void shields. Made of stuff that ignores most anti-tank weapons. Something so large it considers Chimeras to be a minor annoyance if it steps on them. The strongest anti-tank mine would put a comparatively small dent in a Titans foot. Wire would snap. Fire-fighter planes need clear skies to work, which would be almost impossible if the Imperial guard are anywhere nearby.

>>53337662

High caliber artillery. Aim around (not at) the feet. The shockwave would disgregate enough earth to mire it, after which you just keep hammering one side to make it topple. Since Titans don't really have much in the way of a proper srimech, eventually you'd be left with something tough to destroy, but relatively harmless. If you're in a hurry, use nuclear artillery.

>>53337692
Pretty sure the Void Shield would just send the shells straight into hell. You would have more luck using nuclear mines, really.

Also, this supposes the Titan is going to stay still for prolonged periods of time.

>>53337289
God is actually Emps and Jesus was a psyker who didn't actually know it but still managed to draw on his powers by accident

There, keep your life.

>>53337692
Have to be pretty high caliber. And this is assuming that the Titan does not have support. Warhounds could easily catch and destroy artillery, then a few Valkyries come down and pick up the titan, which only needs some buffing. One Imperator would laugh at nukes though, which is why Im focusing on Warlords due to fairness.

>>53337719

Modern artillery can be timed with great precision (a couple seconds or less), and that's the problem with a bipedal system - if it's going anywhere, only one foot is on the ground, usually in unstable equilibrium.

There's a reason why the military looked at two-legged robots and went "nah".

>>53324120
The Inqusition takes over and we all become culexus assassins.

>>53337722

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheSalvationWar Since we're on that topic, let's see how Earth's armies circa 2008 fare against the legions of Hell and Heaven.

>>53337738
The point about the shells disappearing still stands. You can't have the Titan fall if you can't hammer into it directly, and you cant create a minefield for it to walk into because its going to be really obvious, unless it was lured into it.

Sure enough, in reality a mech cannot work due to its very high profile and balance problems. But they are not necessarily helpless even then, in sci fi.

>>53337781
I think that Dies Irae from Legio Mortis had 4 legs, so there is some variation in design. But its been quite a while since I read Storm of Iron.

>>53337748
Best ending.

>>53337781

Oh I'm pretty sure that Earth's resistance would last minutes to hours, just... Titans are dumb.

> pro battlebot guy, 2015 and 2016. Did the weapon for Bronco.

Frankly there would probably not be a fight: everybody in power, except maybe the Orange One, would understand within minutes what an orbital bombardment can do. Good luck to the Imperials when it comes to "winning the peace" though, they'd probably have to glass a few countries, Afghanistan coming to mind.

I think the Pope would end up becoming planetary governor, personally.

>>53337813
>Titans are dumb.
Sure enough, but these theads are only entertaining if some leeway is given to the sci fi forces. I mean, making the Titan fall is feasible, provided it can be lured in a proper position. Problem of course being luring it there. Although using infantry to drop mines in place right under its feet could work just as well, since they can just go right through the shielding.

On the other hand, using things as advertised in the source material leads in general to an overwhelming victory or a defeat before is has even begun due to the completely unworkable aspects of the technology.

So we have to assume a modicum of competence even if it goes against demonstrated strategies.

Beyond that, forcing worlds into compliance is not all that difficult when you can just glass parts of it with no remorse. It just means it will be repopulated with already indoctrinated and obedient people.

>>53337800
lolno

>>53329115
Oh boy, this naivety again.

Here's what really happens:

The Imperial navy surrounds the planet and proceeds to blow up all our satellites. There goes a huge proportion of our global communications.

Then Space marines are dropped onto significant military and infrastructure targets. All those dams, power stations, military depots.... All nice juicy targets unable to defend themselves. Imagine a bunch of terminators teleporting into NORAD while at the same time drop pods wipe out the Pentagon. You ran into a hardened target? Drop a beacon and let the Navy blow it to shit.

So here you are, your coms are dead, your leaders are dead, the power is out.... You'll basically be back in the 19th century. The enemy gets to strike wherever and whenever they want. You got better tanks? Who cares, they'll probably never see combat. When combat does happen, you'll have Imperial troops descending on you while you have no idea what's going on, who's in charge or who fuck these assholes are to begin with.

And then the infighting starts. We are not a unified planet. You think there aren't plenty of people out there who wouldn't enjoy joining the Imperium straight away or at least cynically switch sides?

As usually, you assume that the Imperials will land in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and there's going to be a set piece battle or something. At best, you're going to lose very quickly and then your best hope is a drawn out insurgency. But then again, how realistic is that? The Imperium doesn't really ask that much. Pay a tax, stay loyal, control your psykers. Everything else is handled locally. Our religions would be reinterpreted to include the Emperor. We'd get a handful of Arbites to keep an eye on the ruling class. Hardly anything would really change.

>>53337880

You could do a whole book/movie around present-day military forces taking down a Titan and its attendant forces, and then five pages from the ending, the forces in orbit vox something like "Okay, your military has Guard potential. Now surrender before we glass the whole place".

I still think that our main contribution to the Imperium should be expertise.

>>53337904

> tfw this already happened in the 1980s and They Live was a documentary

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>>53337905
>>53337904

>>53337905
>I still think that our main contribution to the Imperium should be expertise.
Well this falls again into the whole idea of admitting that the sci fi forces are not drooling retards and incompetent at their jobs, even when they demonstrably are.

So I agree that from that point of view Earth could provide some people of value to the Imperium, which translates politically to long term benefits.

Its just a little silly in a versus scenario, because between the WW1 tactics, the bravado and the schizophrenic tech, Earth would stand a very real chance to win (or force the Imperium into glassing the planet), as outlined in that post higher in the thread. And that does not fit the fluff, where a few Earth like planets were brought into the fold of the Imperium very easily.

tl;dr, I agree but this does not make for an interesting discussion.

>>53323162
>bend the knee.

I hate this meme

>>53337954

Yeah, but if you remove all that stuff, you don't have the Imperium anymore, you have the Culture.

Heh, the Culture conquering us would be a step up for everybody. Including tank fetishists.

>>53337751

TSW is 3edgy5me. Try this instead. http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.Tripocalypse.html

>>53337904

There wouldn't be any Marines, but the rest of your point is spot on.

People think Russes are garbage because "hurrrr muh WWI tech" without accounting for the fact that they're made from metals devised in the year 30,000 and are strong enough to repel lascannon and railgun blasts.

This is to say nothing of the fact that Imperium fighters and bombers are space-capable, and the average Guardsman is going to be as hard a motherfucker as combat veterans from elite Earth militaries.

>>53338171
This! Guardsmen are only shit against literal superhuman horrors from space. Against other humans theyre probably about as good as soldiers get.

>>53326570
Good news! You've got a black ship ticket waiting for you.

>>53337813
>I think the Pope would end up becoming planetary governor, personally.
Current Pope is a heretic though who supports globalism, white genocide and refugees

>>53338268
This
I'm not sure if he worships slaneesh or tzeentch, but he sure as hell isn't on our side.

>>53338268
That doesn't make him a heretic, the refugees are all humans, the Imperium doesn't care. It's not like he's letting Taus in.

>>53338268
Well, the Imperium would want a unified planet and they don't give a crap about race and refugees would simply become regular Imperial citizens. Sees like a solid fit.

>>53338315
>>53338322
>Rapefugee apologists: Activate!

At least we can out them as the death cult they are, and let the Arbiters or =][= deal with them.

>>53319828
The middle east would be destroyed. Inb4 /pol/, you know Muslims would never submit to imperial rule

>>53338363
Oh hey, silver lining!

>>53338315
>the refugees are all humans
Says who ? Pretty sure an argument could be made that some of them would be considered Beastmen by the Imperium
>Well, the Imperium would want a unified planet and they don't give a crap about race
If they don't, then why majority of humanity is white in 40k?

>>53338388
>>53338351
>>53338268
Feeling pretty /pol/ in here all of a sudden.
I honestly don't think we can assume that the Imperium adheres to any modern ideas of race that we have. Hell, as long your reputation is good, command doesn't care where your regiment comes from.

>>53338446
>. Hell, as long your reputation is good, command doesn't care where your regiment comes from.
Chaos does that. Imperium is based on the idea of purity and hunting down mutations.

>>53338472
The imperium has literal abhumans. You're desperately trying to stir shit; fuck off.

>>53338472
Again. Imperial conception of Mutations =/= Race. There are hive worlds with way worse socio-political populations that still make up the bulwark of imperial conscripts.

>>53338485
>>53338502
So a large portion of Earth's population could be classified as abhumans?

>>53338472
Yes, human purity. The Imperium doesn't give two shits about its subjects colors.

>>53338526
Yeah, and they'll get removed, starting with Stormfronters that clearly have a too high neanderthal content to be considered proper Imperium material.

>>53338539
>The Imperium doesn't give two shits about its subjects colors.
It does. Most of its population(I would say 95% even) is white.

>>53338549
Prove it.

>>53338502
>Again. Imperial conception of Mutations =/= Race. There are hive worlds with way worse socio-political populations

Race is determined by biology not by "socio-political" conditions.

>>53338558
>Prove it.
How many Somali or Aboriginese Space Marines/Imperial Guard have you seen ?
Just look at WH40k artwork and figures.

>>53338526
Seriously, this is getting old.
Planets in way worse shape population-wise have been accepted into the imperium with no conditions but making Tithes, handing over Psykers, and being drafted when called upon.

>>53338571
Looking at family pictures I have, I conclude there are no black people in my country.

>>53338575
>Planets in way worse shape population-wise have been accepted into the imperium with no conditions but making Tithes, handing over Psykers, and being drafted when called upon.

They might have been in worse shape, but they were probably white.

>>53338571
You mean the Talarn? In artwork we mostly see Cadian, Vostroyan, or Catachan. Just because we follow the events of those legions doesn't mean they're the only ones.
It says in lore that the guard come from every planet with a spareable population. Hell, there nothing in lore that says every planet only has one color either.

>>53338590
There are 5,000 black people in my country. Probably same percentage as in Imperium.

>>53338598
Bit of a dissociation there, don't you think?

>>53338606
>same percentage as in Imperium.
Do you have a source for this statement?

>>53337366
Chain of Command exists for a reason. All 50 states, territories, and bases go into martial law if the Pentagon gets attacked.

And it'll only make the Americans stronger.

>>53335388
>Eldar never tried to exterminate alien life in their empire
wrong
>Eldar have best technology
wrong
>aspect armor is coolest looking armor
wrong
>Eldar are less prone to Chaos corruption than humans.
wrong
>We can learn much from the Eldar if we give them a chance.
wrong

>>53338688
Still, would be interesting to see people theorize about the imperials.

Like, if they look like us does that mean earth-like conditions would naturally create human-like beings.

As fans we know about the age of strife and the age of technology, but what if this belief that humans are predetermined to conquer the stars took root as a result of one such theory?

>>53337652
I'm going to clarify a bunch of shit in your post.

Muslims do not deny the Christian God, the Qu'ran straight out says Jews and Christians worship the same God as them and should be treated nicer than non-followers of the same God, they are just not following the proper teaching to worship him.

Second, Muslims accept Jesus not as the son of God, but a prophet and general good guy.

The Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, but believe him to be a pretty okay guy, who got buttfucked by Romans and the hebrews who were acting like shits at the time. Some consider him a prophet as well, depending on the faith.

>>53338738
Took Muslims Studies at university, can confirm the Qu'ran makes an active effort to bridge the understanding between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam through an understanding of what God is.

That being said, modern religious understanding would most likely make the idea of a physical being the embodiment of divinity absurd. So there would be conflict there.

>>53337366

Marines won't be involved. Most Guardsmen will serve their entire career without ever hearing about Marine involvement in their warzone, much less seeing it.

>>53338688

The Guard would kick the shit out of the US military with ease. Numerically, the US would be horribly, horribly outmatched, and the average Guardsman will be a much more capable soldier than the average US infantryman. As far as the air goes, Marauders and Thunderbolts will be more durable than US aircraft and comparably maneuverable, even if they are significantly outranged, and can strike at US airbases anywhere on the globe whilst their own spaceborne carriers remain inviolable.

Anybody who thinks Earth would stand a snowball's chance in hell at repelling a planetary-scale Imperial invasion is kidding themselves. You can't even cling to the hope of a guerrilla movement, because the Imperium would have no problem slaughtering entire cities to the last man, woman, and child in order to eradicate an insurgent movement.

>>53338804
I don't think anyone's arguing that our modern military stands a chance against the Imperium.

But I wouldn't argue that an average Guardsman is a better soldier than a typical Infantryman. Better equipped maybe, given what we know about the setting (not what makes sense given our current understanding of science)

>>53323808
Are there varying degrees of being Blank? Could explain how some people just have a "punchable face"

>>53319828
>>>53338804
>I don't think anyone's arguing that our modern military stands a chance against the Imperium.
>But I wouldn't argue that an average Guardsman is a better soldier than a typical Infantryman. Better equipped maybe, given what we know about the setting (not what makes sense given our current understanding of science)
Hey Op just as a fun little side fact EVERYONE of us would have the equivalent to a Thousand Forbidden lore.
But I would personally mount up and assuming 40k is how it is currently, bunk down and wait till guilliman makes his verdict on the world. Or what Ever RT tries and take us get destroyed by a bunch of VERY angered Jewish people.

>Earth is human dominated planet doing okay by itself for billions of years with humans being born on it naturally.
>Some space faggots think they should rule over us with their totalitarian dick just because they look like us, when they hardly understand the technology they posses.
>Imperium is from a further point in the future than modern Earth is and so we come become before all the Humans in the Impeirum.

Fuck the Imperium.

The US is the most technologically advanced army in the world and even it incorporates about 1.5 million troops.

IG don't give a fuck if they lose twice that on a gamble.

>>53338843
>But I wouldn't argue that an average Guardsman is a better soldier than a typical Infantryman.

Sure they are. Many brand-new Guardsmen already have years of experience in killing, or at the very least, years of elite and rigorous training.

Remember, most worlds in the Imperium are hellish dystopias where it's a daily struggle just to survive. Compare this as a recruiting baseline to comfortable middle-class America, or even lower-class, and there's simply no comparison. You need to be a real motherfucker to survive in 40k.

Let's consider the Guard regiments we know of:
>Cadians - trained from birth
>Catachans - live on a deathworld
>Valhallans and Tallarns - live underground in warrens on hellishly inhospitable planets
>Mordians - trained almost as well as Cadians
>Kriegers - do I even need to say it?
>Savlar Chem Dogs - see above
>Steel Legion - absolute scum of the earth hivers who have slit a hundred throats even before being recruited
>Vostroyans - elite training here too
>Elysian Drop Troops - see above re: elite training

I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting, but you get the point. People love the "flashlights & T-shirts" and "muh human waves" memes so much that they forget that, when not being stacked up against Space Marines, Guardsmen are hard motherfuckers. Many Guardsmen are in fact trained extremely well, and many of those who aren't still have a high degree of innate competence thanks to the conditions in which they live. See the Tanith First-and-Only, for example.

This is to say nothing of the fact that many, many of the Guardsmen will be veterans of at least one campaign, and that's experience in a kind of all-out warfare that no active-duty soldier on Earth currently possesses.

>>53338843

While it is funny to laugh at imperial guardsman meme remember that planets send their best soldiers to join the guard as tithe. Rest are the PDF. I would say pdf is the equivelent of what you would call an average Nato soldier.

>>53338804
>Numerically, the US would be horribly, horribly outmatched
Not necessarily. But if they somehow lose that battle (maybe if there was only one regiment of half trained green guards from a primitive world?), the second that'd come maybe hundreds years later would have much more.

>>53338934
The Imperium isn't really totalitarian, it's down to planetary governors. We only see the worst of the worst (hive worlds, slaves, etc) and the best of the best (occasional pleasure world, nobles), we rarely see the boring and uninteresting average worlds where people live lives much like us. Unless they're about to get attacked by tyrannids or something.

>>53338957
>most
No Anon, most Imperial worlds are painfully boring. We see the extremes because it's more entertaining.

>>53338982
>No Anon, most Imperial worlds are painfully boring.

>"Following the emergence of the Cicatrix Maledictum, no world in the Imperium has been untouched by war, and there are many thousands of planets that cry out for aid and reinforcement."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/16/new-warhammer-40000-the-dark-imperium-may16gw-homepage-post-4/

Sure sounds boring to me.

Remember anon, in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.

Also, you seriously think that the Imperial fucking Guard isn't bringing more than 1.5 million men for a PLANETARY invasion? What are you smoking, anon?

>>53339008
Fuck the new lore, it has no relevance in any lore related discussion.
If you want to discuss age of guilliman go elsewhere, if you want to discuss 40k it is as that anon stated.

>>53330209
No, not space marines...

Reasonable marines! Maybe /k/ will join in and be the angry marines! Those Tumblrites might wanna join in and create the (not) pretty marines...

>>53330688
Why so?

>>53339143

>butthurt 3ed fag detected

>>53339143

>the lore has no relevance in any lore related discussion

Sorry your headcanon was shattered, bub.

How about "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war". Do you consider that "new lore" as well?

>>53339227
Heh, haven't heard about that in a while...

>>53337652
The Imperial Cult has much more in the way of variance and schisms than that. If it's politically expedient, they'd get them all in.

>>53338982
>No Anon, most Imperial worlds are painfully boring. We see the extremes because it's more entertaining.
Most people live on Hive Worlds, which are
shitty. It's a different kind of shitty from top to bottom, but it's shittty all the way through.

>>53338982
>The Imperium isn't really totalitarian, it's down to planetary governors. We only see the worst of the worst (hive worlds, slaves, etc) and the best of the best (occasional pleasure world, nobles), we rarely see the boring and uninteresting average worlds where people live lives much like us. Unless they're about to get attacked by tyrannids or something.
The IoM overall is Feudal in it's organisation, but is also Fascist. It doesn't sweat many details, and doesn't mind if individual planets do things differently, but it does demand a state religion, that planets exalt the Imperium, and that when demands come, that they are to be followed unswervingly. The Imperial worlds might be boring by the 40k mileau, but they'd be fucked up weird places by any real world measure.

>>53339466
>>53339555
You mean the actual canon was shattered. I mean, it can't stick to the classic opening pitch, the original creator has said that they don't get it and haven't for years, what more do you need?

>>53339143
Opinion discarded

>>53338549
Yes because the fucking Emperor is super white right?

>>53339555
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Pleasure_World
Fuck off

>>53339143
This guy gets it.

>>53340180
Actually fuck it let's just keep linking wiki articles about the banal boring worlds where life isn't a constant hell like faggots tend to shill 40k as being
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Civilised_World
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cemetery_World
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Shrine_World

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>>53338982
>The Imperium isn't really totalitarian

>>53323569
>tfw owning a copy of Dark Heresy means you get to play Dark Heresy irl!
Unfortunately, you're playing the part of the heretic that the acolytes track down and kill.

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>>53338934
>they hardly understand the technology they posses

Do you? Can you build a tank? Can you build a computer chip? Tech priests can.

>>53335506

Why not combine these issues and send 3rd world immigrants into space?

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>>53334323
If you need to ask if you are retarded... You know how it goes. Also, you have to be 18 to post in 4chan. Fucking summer.

>>53340294
>implying Civilized Worlds can't have war (Elysia is a Civilized World whose PDF is constantly at war with pirates)
>implying that Shrine Worlds can't raise extremely effective Guardsmen (see: Maccabian Janissaries)
>implying that insanely populated hive worlds or fortress worlds don't contribute far more of the Guardsmen under arms than sparsely populated memorial planets
>implying each rulebook doesn't remind us that the Imperium is the "cruelest and bloodiest regime imaginable"
>implying that not every planet in the Imperium currently is touched by war
>implying that your headcanon is valid

>>53341633
>implying you even read any of the IG books where the various guard regiments have taken leave on completely peaceful planets where everything is fine.

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>>53323261
>Considering we have high tech industries and are nearly ready to exploit the solar system
>>53323594
>We have the means to grab an asteroid and bring it back here for exploitation

Are you an alien? You definitely aren't talking about Earth 2017. If we are lucky, if, then we'll make it back to the Moon in a decade.

>>53332556
Psykers capable of taking on whole armies would be alpha or alpha-plus level, and those are the kind of guys with such ungodly power their minds just crumble under the weight before they explode and turn the whole planet into a warp storm. Zeta and Epsilon level get a similar deal except they just go insane. The only psykers who can hope to control their abilities are the ones with mediocre levels of power

>>53341764
>>completely peaceful planets

That entire argument is completely pointless. Imperial Guard regiments from peaceful planets don't stay there. They are deployed to active war zones. Compared to fighting chaos, orks, tyranids, etc, etc, fighting primitive humans with 5.56mm rifles will be a walk in the park for the Guard.

>>53342013
The fuck are you even talking about, how is that a pointless argument? That is literally the entire point peaceful planets do exist in canon, that faggot before was saying EVERYTHING IS ONLY WAR AND SHIT EVERYWHERE FOREVER.

>>53341848
It's economically unfeasible at the moment, not impossible. With the moon landing, you're talking as if we've magically lost tech we've had for almost 50 years

>>53319828
Panic a purge would begin, holycrap there are so many people that would be screaming out for chaos as they wave around their commie dildos spreading grids and progress, hopefully the loyal get conscripted and we could take part in the cleansing, ya know they might want to do a low key purge not orbital there's alot of things they might to want secure

>>53342054
>you're talking as if we've magically lost tech we've had for almost 50 years

Remove the word "magically" and that would be completely correct. Humans cannot reach the Moon anymore. Nasa doesn't even have rockets anymore. If it wasn't for Putin and Elon Musk, then we wouldn't even get to the space station in low Earth orbit. Hence the Nasa trampoline.

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>>53329115
Real life isn't HFY where we can somehow reverse engineer tech that we don't have a base or format for in a couple years, then somehow produce the factories able to create a space fleet. In addition, Cadians will fucking destroy.

>Eldar would be easy to fend off since we aren't a threat to them and even if they try something their numbers are way to low to fight us.

Good luck dealing with MBTs that can reach 500 miles per hour, while also having holofields to be even harder to hit, guardians who are just militiamen being on par or greater to our infantry, and aspect shrines decimating any high-value targets.

>>53333606
>Implying even the Imperium can stop the juggernaut that is the Commander and his prophet, Bradford.

>>53337786
Wtf did you smoke

>>53338000
[x] genuflect

>>53330142
maccrage, the other planets are either infested by monsters, have hellish climatic conditions or are just straight-up hive-worlds

>>53324167
They'd have to arrive outside the system and drift in, and they would probably be incredibly uncomfortable and dislike the lot of us... assassins temple would be interested

>>53324767
>7 billion
>Same as most hive worlds

You need to brush up on your lore anon, some of the biggest hive worlds have 100-500 billion. Most average in double digit billions easily

>>53319828
I for one welcome our imperial overlords

>>53341764

And what have they taken leave from, anon? That's right, fighting wars on countless war-torn worlds.

Tanith is a great example of what happens to "peaceful" worlds in the Imperium.

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.

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>>53337481
>The Tzeentch worshipper just found out his god supports transgenders
k

>>53338571
I actually can't think of a single non-white I've ever seen in 40k artwork. Unless that negro from DoW1 counts.

>>53338738
>the Qu'ran straight out says Jews and Christians worship the same God as them and should be treated nicer than non-followers of the same God
Don't forget it also tells muslims to force a Jizyah tax on Christians and Jews to steal their money. You have to literally pay them to be allowed to worship your own God.

>>53339143
Fuck yeah! Age of Girlymen get to your containment thread. Well said.

>>53341499
Pretty sure we used to do that. First person in space was a monkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkeys_and_apes_in_space