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Pathfinder General /pfg/

How do you feel about Deadly Agility getting 1.5x to two-hander damage and 0.5x to off-hand damage?
How will you feel about everyone playing lucerne hammer/nodachi Polearm Dancer Dexfags? Maybe stalker Killer's Implements Dexfags with greatswords?

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Old Thread: >>53306815
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What all is immune to non-lethal damage?
What all is immune to mind-affecting conditions like frightened?

How can I get around those immunities?
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First for characters getting raped so hard, they shit from their mouth!
In PAST TENSE.
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>>53311013
I think that while dex faggotry should be supported, the sheer number of dex stuff should not be so much.
>>53311048
Undead and outsiders and dragons are usually the most common of those. There are certain spells meant to get through their mind immunities, but being immune to non-lethal damage means you need to cause regular damage or energy damage.
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>>53311013
See >>53311035
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>>53311118
stay salty
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>>53311115
It's for Enforcer+Sap Master memes on Hidden Blade. Are there any tools immediately available to not be a chump when something is immune to mind-affecting, or worse, nonlethal?
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Hey /pfg/, serious question, has anyone played DHB's classes? Can someone give me a run down on them? I didn't realize he made an initiator too. Is it decent? Did he write it for DSP?
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>>53311013
It makes me happy, I'm a strfag by choice but I want to play an agile asshole once in a while.

Wait, this makes me ask; what's the benefit from being STR anymore, now? Is it really just "saving" a feat?
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>>53311145
Yeah, there's tools.
I'd recommend starting with a shank and working your way up from there.
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>>53311013
1.5x a modifier to damage shouldn't belong on Dexterity, but that's just my opinion.
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>>53311145
Not usually, because all the non-magical effects you could use, they are still immune to those.
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>>53311185
Saving two feats (remember, Weapon Finesse for free is just a houserule), STR is easier to boost than DEX is, and your AC getting improved can be bought with money (just get better armor) rather than through your starting point-buy. Your initiative can also be mollified by a trait, rather than needing a 14 in DEX.
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>>53310713
>'Well you killed Robbie, but no hard feelings.'
Can a legend like The Rotten truly die?
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>>53311203
isn't there some black seraph thing I can use?
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>>53311201
I have to agree with
>>53311013
There is only one reason to go strength, and that is superior damage.
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>>53310976
>As for weregild that doesn't fix their dead friend unless they can squeeze the party for 25k gp since the party dumped the body in a river so that no one would be able to find it later. Even the finding someone who can cast true res is essentially impossible.
Neither does beating them up, and while revenge is sweet, gold lasts longer.
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>>53311185
>>53311209
Friendly reminder that in basically ALL /pfg/ games, Weapon Finesse is free.

Everyone gets an elven curve blade with that one wayfinder + ioun stone and then goes to town because they have to take only Deadly Agility after that.
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>>53311185
You save feats and aren't stuck with Piranha Strike and its no benefits for 2H unless Dexguy had 13 STR to get it instead.
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>>53311305
>talks about pfg standards
>casually mentions to use an item that'd cost 100% of WBL for a level 3 character, the level that most of those same pfg games start at
s h i t b u i l d
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>>53311306
Remind me again why I want Power Attack when I don't want to miss, because my hits deal like +2d6 energy damage from Elemental Flux Stance? And I can take Discipline Focus for +2 damage and +2 DCs?
You ARE in Elemental Flux Stance after the errata, right?
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DUDE
GREENHOUSES
LMAO
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>>53311216
One cancer didn't kill him and another shan't finish the job either.
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>>53311342
Why are you missing with PA?
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>>53311340
Not like you have much else to spend it on, eh? Mulebacks are only 1k.
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>>53311305
>Friendly reminder that in basically ALL /pfg/ games, Weapon Finesse is free.
And an asshole's reminder to you that /pfg/ games are NOT what people balance around when it comes to creating rules, and that we're a minority in the Pathfinder pool of design. What we like and what other people like/want are very different things; did you know that a lot of people don't like Legendary Vigilantes? I know, weird right?
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>>53311375
Because the GM is putting you against overCRed fights just to keep up with Path of War.
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>>53311381
It's 100% of WBL at 3rd, so that elven curved blade you want to use, the armor you'd wear or literally anything besides the one ioun stone you couldn't buy. How useful is an EWP if you can't even afford the weapon itself?
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>>53311451
Seems legit.
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>>53311305
>>53311342
Actually fuck off m8
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Got a list of shit from the Adventurer's Guide here. Don't be too surprised if you recognize a *lot* of it.

>Archetypes
Aldori Defender (Fighter)
Argent Voice (Bard)
Armiger (Fighter)
Bellflower Harvester (Vigilante)
Bellflower Irrigator (Rogue)
Blossoming Light (Cleric)
Brazen Deceiver (Bard)
Brazen Disciple (Monk/Unchained Monk)
Crimson Chymist (Alchemist)
Curator (Occultist)
Dashing Thief (Swasbuckler)
Devil Binder (Unchained Summoner)
Enlightened Bloodrager (Bloodrager)
Geminate Invoker (Barbarian)
Giant Stalker (Barbarian)
Involutionist (Spiritualist)
Halcyon Druid (Druid)
Lantern Lighter (Ranger)
Lore Warden (Fighter)
Magaambyan Initiate (Arcanist)
Magic Warrior (Magus)
Mantis Zealot (Warpriest)
Masked Maiden (Vigilante)
Name-Keeper (Shaman)
Qadiran Horselord (Cavalier)
Raven Master (Ranger)
Ringleader (Bard)
Rostland Bravo (Swashbuckler)
Runesage (Wizard)
Scion of Talmandor (Paladin)
Sigilius (Magus)
Sister-in-Arms (Cavalier)
Storm Dreamer (Medium)
Sunrider (Druid)
Tempest Druid (Druid)
Totem-Bonded (Hunter)
Toxic Talon (Rogue)
Winding Path Renegade (Brawler)

>Cavalier Order
Order of the Asp

>Equipment
Aldori Dueling Sword (20 gp)
Anderos Salve and Mulibrous Tincture (5 gp)
Applecheek (10 gp)
Boniface Paint (15 gp)
Branding Iron (2 gp (common), 10 gp (custom shape))
Breath of the Mantis God (1,500 gp)
Caparison (2 gp)
Cooking Powder (2 gp)
Elven Leafblade (40 gp)
Elven Thornblade (60 gp)
Gray Maiden Plate (1,500 gp)
Hellknight Barding (varies)
Hellknight Half-Plate (850 gp)
Hellknight Leather (30 gp)
Hellknight Plate (2,000 gp)
Lantern Honey (150 gp)
Mithral Horseshoes (550 gp)
Nostalgia Oil (80 gp)
Pathfinder Chronicle (50 gp)
Phantom Ash (10 gp)
Sawtooth Sabre (35 gp)
Scarsalve (10 gp)
Signifier Mask (75 gp)
Sparkle Smoke (25 gp)
Spices (varies)
Sunblock Kohl (10 gp)
Tiller's Gum (100 gp)
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Why use Strength over Dexterity other than carry capacity reasons?
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I need you, /pfg/.

I never got to play a game, so I don't know how that much damage sounds to you.

Level 3, expended 2 Feats, requires a charge attack and expending psionic focus.

3d4+STR+1 +3d6+ STR + 1

Can be improved by two feats later for

5d4+STR+2 +5d6+ STR + 2

Fair buy or trash?
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>>53311463
Level 3 WBL is 3k mate.
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>>53311516
>Feats
Agile Maiden (Combat)
Al-Zabriti-Trained Horse [Animal Companion]
Aldori Artistry (Combat)
Aldori Dueling Disciple (Combat)
Aldori Dueling Mastery (Combat)
Aldori Style (Combat, Style)
Aldori Style Aegis (Combat, Style)
Aldori Style Conquest (Combat, Style)
Armored Ride
Aspis Partner
Cold Celerity
Cypher Magic
Cypher Script
Devil Sense
Diva Advance (Combat)
Diva Strike (Combat)
Diva Style (Combat, Style)
Duelist of the Roaring Falls (Combat)
Duelist of the Shrouded Lake (Combat)
Eagle's Resolve
Expert Boarder
Extra Spontaneous Spell Mastery
Falcon's Cry
Falling Water Gambit (Combat)
Fanged Crown Massacre
Forceful Charge [Animal Companion]
Garen's Discipline (Combat)
Gray Maiden Initiate
Horse Whisperer
Improved Forceful Charge [Animal Companion]
Improved Horse Whisperer
Improved Mounted Archery
Legionnaire's Inspiration
Mask Focus
Masked by Fear
Masked Intent
Mounted Blade
Mounted Onslaught
Nameless One
Perfect Style (Combat, Style)
Purifying Channel
Redistributed Might (Combat)
Ritual Mask
Rugged Northerner
Scarlet Rose Devotion
Scholar
Sinister Reputation
Siran's Masterstroke (Combat)
Sisterhood Dedication (Combat)
Sisterhood Rampart (Combat)
Sisterhood Style (Combat, Style)
Spirit Beacon
Spirit Rebuke
Spirit Sight
Storm-Lashed
Tag-Team Interrogation (Teamwork)
Tribal Hunter (Combat, Teamwork)
Tribal Scars
Twilight Tattoo
Unblinking Flame Feint (Combat)
Unblinking Flame Fist (Combat)
Unbreakable (Combat)
Unfolding Wind Rush (Combat)
Unfolding Wind Strike (Combat)
Untwisting Iron Skin (Combat)
Untwisting Iron Strength (Combat)

>Focused Arcane School
Deception (Illusion)

>Investigator Talents
Chronicler's Insight
Didactic Strike
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>>53311537
>Ioun Stone Resonant Powers
Clear Spindle
Dark Blue Rhomboid
Deep Red Sphere
Dull Gray (Burnt Out)
Dusty Rose Prism
Incandescent Blue Sphere
Iridescent Spindle
Lavender and Green Ellipsoid
Orange Prism
Pale Blue Rhomboid
Pale Green Prism
Pale Lavender Ellipsoid
Pearly White Spindle
Pink and Green Sphere
Pink Rhomboid
Scarlet and Blue Sphere
Vibrant Purple Prism

>Legendary Medium Spirit
The Twice-Damned Prince (Trickster)

>Prestige Classes
Aldori Swordlord
Argent Dramaturge
Asavir
Aspis Agent
Bellflower Tiller
Cyphermage
Death Slayer
Golden Legionnaire
Gray Corsair
Hellknight
Hellknight Signifier
Lantern Bearer
Magaambyan Arcanist
Mammoth Rider
Pathfinder Delver
Pathfinder Savant
Red Mantis Assassin
Rivethun Emissary
Sanguine Angel
Steel Falcon
Storm Kindler
Student of Perfection
Student of War
Twilight Talon
Westcrown Devil

>Psychic Discipline
Rivethun

>Rogue Talents
Aspexia's Mysticism
Careful Stab
Hairpin Trick
Knockout Queen
Silencing Strike

>Rogue Talents (Advanced)
Founder's Blessing
Shrinewalk

>Shaman Spirit
Mammoth

>Vigilante Talent
Team Player

>Wizard Specialization
Thassilonian Wizard
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>>53311520
To avoid a petty GM who puts a million STR checks everywhere that are designed simply to waste time.
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>>53311209
> STR is easier to boost than DEX is
No it's not.

Urban Barbarian Exists and mutagens can boost dex. We only use those things to boost strength because it had some niche protection.

This pretty much takes away the only incentive to be a strength based character. "Muh two feats" does not cut it, especially since you're most likely going to be a Path of War martial with this feat and those don't really need feats to work.
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>>53311516
>>53311537
>>53311559
There's also a bunch of spells and items which are, again, reprints. Or at least some of the items are, the spells might be new.
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>>53311516
are these like, erratas?

like lore warden?
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>>53311537
>Aldori styles
Aaaaaaaa
>Aldori feats
AAAAAAA
>>53311559
>New and improved Aldori PrC
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>53311520
smash from the air
strength drain more common than dex drain
CMB
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>>53311601
>smash from the air
Busted feat you can't capitalize on well because no dex
>strength drain more common than dex drain
Trivial
>CMB
Trivial
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>>53311572
It is, Str has a much higher upper limit for non casters because of Strength of the Beast and Power of Giants.
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>>53311516
>Masked Maiden Vigilante

Oooh, what's this?
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>>53311572
Enlarge Person is a better buffing spell than Reduce Person is.
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>>53311588
Also, have a bit of a moment that can be taken multiple ways.
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>>53311572
And this is why I'm going to revert the Elephant in the room feat tax on Weapon Finesse in games I run, if Deadly Agility grants 1.5x Dex to Damage. That, and let my players pick up some kind of feat that lets them use STR/CON in place of Dexterity for Reflex, Initiative, and AC (1/2 STR/CON mod for the first pick, full STR/CON mod for the second pick), and let the first iteration stack with Brutal Slayer so they still have an edge over others. That's fair, in my view.
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>>53311648
Is Valeriya gonna have to change her archetype?
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>>53311516
>>53311559
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9sjo/discuss&page=18?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Adventurers-Guide#880

Reminder that Augunas nerfed the Lore Warden fighter.

Reminder that Augunas also nerfed the wayfinder resonance thingy, ESPECIALLY the clear spindle resonance.

Is Pathfinder getting killed by foxes?
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>>53311630
>two situational buff spells you're not even guaranteed
So if you're playing ithPath fo War and want to be strength based pray you play with a vancian caster that specializes in buffing you and will take those specific spells.

That seems REALLY goddamn flimsy.
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>>53311667
Those aren't spells those are bloodline powers through eldritch heritage. Look up what you want to disagree with before posting.
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>>53311559
>Opalescent White Pyramid escapes nerfs
How's it feel that you can STILL get cheap Weapon Focus, eh?
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>>53311529
Yes, and so is the proficiency stone.
So at level 3, you either have the weapon or the proficiency to use it.
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>>53311693
I'm sorry every fucking Strength Build is going to need to take a VMC or waste a feat chain on Eldritch Fucking Heritage to justify existing now.
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>>53311516
>>53311537
>>53311559

So how much of this book is basically nerfs and errata?
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>>53311720
1.5k for the stone.
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>>53311655
Jessica Price is a filthy old hag!
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>>53311655
I wouldn't want unsubtle /pol/iticle bullshit on my boards either.
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>>53311721
You can just admit you started shit posting before knowing what you were talking about.

Every fighter should do this by the way. It's part of the path to 60 Str.
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>>53311740
OK, so you're spending your first three levels and a feat getting an EWP. And yeah, three levels of full casting to get a single weapon proficiency for your martial class really's going to work out great.

I will admit that if you're doing Gestalt that does make reasonable sense.
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>>53311725
Looks like about half. If someone wants to poke through the full list and map out how much is a reprint, that'd be interesting to see.

paizo.com/products/btpy9sjo/discuss&page=19?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Adventurers-Guide#938
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>>53311774
I made a mistake. Sue me. That still doesn't justify strength existing since now you're centralizing builds AND making being strength require more fucking feats and MADness.
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>>53311774
I thought fighters wanted high CON now these days, for Item Mastery?
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>>53311781
I like being able to, you know, use Acrobatics and Stealth.

Not every challenge is combat, which Strfags are obsessed with.
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>>53311766
How is that political bullshit? The guy's taking a popular phrase and adding a spin to it.

This is like getting bitchy because someone said "Stay Calm and Rock On" instead of "Stay Calm and Carry On."
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>>53311801
No see it's okay because a Dexterity character has to spend just as many feats!
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>>53311657
You're that faggot who made the really overloaded str feats yesterday, aren't you?
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I don't really understand the Str/Dex hostility.

Dex does have too many things under its banner. The only things Strength has for it is carrying capacity (something made irrelevant by cheap magic items) and damage. The new deadly agility makes dex nearly a direct replacement to strength with nothing but upsides. Even for skills Str is woefully underrepresented, and worse has essentially no "apply str to this skill" traits. One of the only ones that does it is a fucking feat.

Str needs to be thrown a bone, one besides Big Numbies for damage and Cut from the Air.
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>>53311853
And strfags still think damage is the king. When the wizard invalidates combats in one round, how will your swim checks contribute out of combat?
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Here's a simplier STR feat

With your mighty thews you are able to deflect even magical touch attacks because you're so fucking manly

Strength calculates AC if it is higher than Dexterity.

Bam.
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>>53311853
It needs the same thing as dex has when it comes to STR based rolls: Feats, features and what not that allow you to replace dex mods with str.
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>>53311853
The creature starting these arguments has regeneration 5 (acid or fire).
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>>53311851
I am, and I'm reworking them for my own home games.
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>>53311853
Personally I think the PoW change to Deadly Agility makes sense if looked at from the context where you insert PoW into a standard PFS-style ruleset instead of a feat tax ruleset.
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So there seems to be a lot of Strength/Dex discussion again today. Some of my thoughts on it are the following:

Combat Statistics:
>Strength -> Initiative
This would be called Muscle Memory and be a single feat. We have a precedent from Noble Scion that replacing a stat for initiative is one feat. It would require 13 Str and in exchange for no bonus on knowledge skills it could be taken any level.
>Strength -> Fort Saves
This one is harder to pin down as feats such as Steadfast Personality, which only gives Cha to Will against mind-affecting effects. However, mind-affecting effects make up a majority of all will saves. I would say similar coverage should be under one feat. You need to decide some gap. Fatigue, Exhaustion, Sicken, Nauseated, Disease, Poison, Dazed, Stunned, Deafened, Paralyzed, and Petrified all are sometimes Fort saves. If I were to choose the gap I would leave out Petrification and one other, probably Paralyzed. Call it Strength of Body.
>Strength -> Natural Armor
This one I would be much more willing to make a two feat chain. The first would be a feat similar to Dodge, one that gives a +2 Natural Armor bonus. This would be +2 as opposed to Dodge's +1 as Natural Armor doesn't apply to Touch AC. The next would give 1/2 Strength bonus to Natural Armor. They would be called "Shielding Bulk" and "Toughened Muscle".
>Strength -> Spell Casting
This one is honestly something I simply want because I think it's cool. It would be a subdomain of Strength and replace your casting stat with strength.
>Strength -> Reflex Saves
This is another that would come down to feats, similar to Steadfast Personality. The question however is what should it apply to. The problem is that reflex saving throws are almost entirely based around damage. This is one of the things I would be more inclined to lock behind a class feature rather than merely feats.

(1/2)
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>>53311919
No
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>>53311901
I think the deadly agility changes are better for the game in all areas, other than the cucking of twf. All I need now is feats for muscle memory from brutal slayer and I'd call the two stats equal.
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>>53311625
Dying to 2 hits from a shadow or something instead of 5+ isn't really trivial.
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>>53311572
Muh two feats does cut it if you want to play anything other than human or want to hold off on dipping fighter. Being effective with 1-2 feats is always going to be more preferable that being effective with 3-4 feats when bonus feats are scarce or restrictive.
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>>53311919
Skills:
For skills I would mostly make them as traits. The problem with this however is that traits are a hot commodity due to limited selection within categories. That makes someone who wants to take Extra Traits to get more Str based skills essentially constricted of choosing only a few from the columns. Honestly in a perfect world Extra Traits would not have the same restriction normal trait selection does. That would be my fix.

Strength -> Intimidate (already a thing, but moved down to a trait)
Strength -> Crafting (Only metal called Hammerer)
Strength -> Heal (Called Bone Setter)
Strength -> UMD (Called Forceful Activation)
Strength -> Handle Animal (Called Stern Discipline)
Strength -> Escape Artist (It breaks what ever you escape from, called Shackle Breaker)
Strength -> Disable Device (Breaks what ever you're disabling, called Trap Smasher)
Strength -> Ride (Called Forceful Rider)
Strength -> Acrobatic (Called Strong Leaper)
Strength -> Perform (but only Act/Dance/Percussion called Mighty Performance)
Strength -> Fly (called Powerful Wings)
Strength -> Diplomacy (Only for humanoids of savage cultures and non-humanoids, called Impressive Physique)
Strength -> Profession (Called 'Hard Day's Labor', only applies to certain professions such as Farmer, Miner, Miller, Soldier, Woodcutter, etc.)

Besides these I don't really see a lot of others making easy sense as we don't want to end up with a Wisdom of the Flesh scenario, which I consider just a poorly made trait.
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>>53311853
Oh come now, anon! We both know muscles are not only unsightly, they get in the way of being effective in movement or being a slender, attractive low-wis character!
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>>53311901
I'd go a step farther, and argue the two should never meet. They're different ways of making martials better. You don't need both. PoW characters should have to pay their taxes.
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>>53311944
Oh yeah because 90% of campaigns are going to include those.
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>>53311967
>>53311919
I have posted these lists before, but has since added a few things to them.

Either way these are hard to balance as stat switches are almost always hard to balance. For skills they are much easier, but derived combat stats, such as Initiative, AC, Damage, Saving Throws, etc. make life hard. There isn't really a good answer for this other than redesigning how stats work at their base.

The distribution of skills and derived stats beed to be fixed with more importance placed on some than others.
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https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77276/pilgrimage-to-the-demonlands

Since nobody posted it in this thread yet
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I hope the PLD cast have fun today
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>>53311944
Shadows target touch AC.

Strfags suck at touch AC.
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>>53311919
>Strength -> Fort Saves
Eh. That's something that would just be a basic part of the system if you were going to make a new modern game based on d20. There's little reason for Strength and Constitution to be different ability scores.
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Honestly, if the only way to get 1.5 dex was through that one swashbuckler archetype, I would be perfectly fine with that. With so many things scaling off dex, why would anyone want dex to do even MORE damage?
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>>53312016
So is this Final Fantasy X or Tales of Symphonia?

Can I be Colette, pretty please? Everyone loves Colette.
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>>53312078

I literally have not played any of the Tales games.

also

>Colette

THIS TRIGGERS ME
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>>53312078
>colette
Literally worst girl
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>>53311901
Since when did Deadly Agility change?
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>>53312078
I'll be upset if there's no pure messiah archetypical character or a noblesse oblige princely type.
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>>53312129

Today.
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>>53312100
What's wrong with Colette?
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>>53312056
I would disagree.

Let us look at the six ability scores and their, at base, derived statistics:

>Strength
Melee Damage, Melee Hit, Carrying Capacity
>Dexterity
Armor, Initiative, Reflex Saving Throws, Ranged Hit
>Constitution
Fortitude Saves, Health
>Intelligence
Skill Ranks
>Wisdom
Will Saving Throws
>Charisma
None

Now with minimal investment these get added to certain groups:
>Dexterity
Melee Hit, Melee Damage
>Charisma
Some Will Saving Throws, Initiative
>Wisdom
Melee Hit

These are through weapon enchantments and feats, rather than class features. Charisma, for having nothing at base has by far the best class feature support.

Now, how would one distribute these to make it fair? One idea is the 5e route and making more saving throws. One is 4e and making it "the best of two" saving throws. Initiative, as it is done now, makes it hard to move around, along with AC, and thus has stayed in place.

One of the biggest offenders in my opinion are skills and skill ranks. Being dumb means you don't know how to climb a tree, due to a lack of skill ranks. It has always struck me as odd that Int governs the total and not instead each gives you ranks for skills governed by that stat.

Through 5e's way of consolidating skills and making it proficiency numbers based on class, not by Int score, does help solve this issue as well.

All in all, Pathfinder is a mess. I think this explantation got away from me.
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>>53312078
>throwing weapon user

WATER
BALLOON
FIGHTER
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>>53312155
Give me a link, senpai. Did the errata finally come out?
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>>53312110
>>53312100
Care to give us the short version? I don't do the Tales games.
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>>53312169
I don't really understand the 'water balloon fighter' meme. Throwing spears and javelins were a real thing that real people used.
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>>53312173
Colette mutates into an angel and gets autistic over how she likes her coffee.
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>>53312193
I don't understand it either, but it was the excuse given by a Paizo dev so it became a meme
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Its been all of one day

Lets rate the demonlands apps.
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>>53312193
tl;dr:
>Why are crossbows shit?
>SKR: because water balloon Fighters aren't viable and shouldn't be
>water balloon Fighters are better than crossbow Fighters though
>*thread locked*
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>>53312211
Where did they say that? It seems like context is important for this
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>>53312037
So far we are! We're college kids now!
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>>53312166
Yeah, you didn't actually present an opposing opinion at all. You just ranted about other shit, pretended you can't change the number of ability scores in a different game, and un-ironically listed carrying capacity as a significant upside of Strength.
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>>53312247
See >>53312240

I'm sure someone has the screenshot and possibly thread link, because it was already a legacy meme by the time I saw it.
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>>53312255

>college

>the crew gets raped by Chad and the frat bros at a party instead of monsters
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>>53312275
>Fighter Lives Matter removed on account of being a racial slur

Paizo, ladies and gentleman
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>>53312138
What meme player should make them? Tell us! Tell us!
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>>53312255

Glad to hear!
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>>53312240
>trusting what snake reynolds has to say
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>>53312293
>>53312275
For all the things I want Starfinder for, I'm sure the book is going to be full of these things. They'll be reposted infinitely
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>>53312318

>lactof-testes vegetarian

>lack of testes
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>>53312238
Why rate demonlands before Ironfang?
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>>53312370
Because I, personally, don't care about ironfang and thats all that matters
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What is the Death Slayer PrC? It sounds metal as fuck.
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>>53312257
Yeah I realized halfway through that my explanation basically got away from me and I made no actual points. I still think that they should not be combined on the idea of Melee Hit/Melee Damage/HP/Fort Saves together on a single attribute is too heavy.

Rather the 4e Save split where it takes the best of either, but keeps HP and Damage separate is what I would advocate for.
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>>53312238
You ever look at an app and think that it's definitely a really good app but you really hate it?
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>>53312421
Maybe it's a formatting problem
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>>53312138
Who are the most TALES applications so far

for my part I think Anyabelle and Swanne are
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When making sphere casters, is it intentional that you can multi class them like a mad man? It seems like almost all of them benefit from a dip into incanter/sorc/oracle to poach some stuff
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>>53312421
Name it and maybe we can tell you why

>>53312442
Not really, but its a flaw of the system.

You should try to avoid it because its cheesy
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>>53312442
>>53312451
>, is it intentional that you can multi class them like a mad man?
Actually, it is intentional. At least with Incanter. The dev has gone on record on saying that Incanter is supposed to just be a one level dip.

The system as a whole is made to a way more multiclass friendly.
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>>53312487
yeah but its like ultra-cheesy
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>>53312439
What's the metric for "Most Tales"?

Is it more like ~~Jesus~~Sorey, Velvet, Yori, Luke, or whoever that unmemorable Graces main character is?
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>>53312494
Not really. The end result usually isn't remotely broken and spheres is so generic it's not like there are fluff issues either.
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>>53311520
To romance cute witches with large breasts
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>>53312496
whoever just feels like they could be a tales character I think
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>>53312078
Why not best girl Raine?
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>>53312504
>>53312487
>>53312494
In the end it's not any different than a Full Bab character dipping into other Full bab classes to pick up nice things but they seldom have good class features either.
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>>53312496
Alright, who's up for playing a shota caster in a collar and a dress?
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>>53312576
And pantyhose!
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>>53312078
You want to be ditz Jesus instead of best character in all of Tales, Yuri? Shame.
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>>53312576
I promised myself I wouldn't cry ;_;
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>>53312585
Bloomers too, like a 2hu.
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>>53312591
But thats Velvet, not Yuri
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>>53312602
alway rember happy day
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>>53312078
I know who I intend to play!
just gotta PM the GM about some things...
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>>53312608
Infidel detected. Exterminating.
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>>53312631
Just the truth, they finally outdid him with Velvet

AND BEST GIRL
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>>53312512

How far are you willing to pursue such dangerous ideals, anon?
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>>53312617
If you do Zelos, can I dual-app as Colette?
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>>53312641
BIG
FAT
CAT
TATS
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>>53312516
All the apps, literally.

Tales has been pretty darn diverse that even a character like Slimebed could fit in as a mascot.
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>>53312255
Try not to shit yourselves again!
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>>53312653

LET ME SNOOZE RUSE OOZE
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>>53312512
Just fuck already, you two. We get it, Kyras wants Branwen and Branwen wants Kyras. Get to making the beast with two backs and end this charade.

Also, GREENTEXT WHEN?!
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>>53312617

Instinct tells me that's probably a man, but it's a narrow margin.
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>>53312642
That depends on how you feel about betrayal!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peItTotmpzg
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>>53312677
That is, bizarrely, probably one of the most manly men in the game.
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>>53312641
where is this cat from
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>>53312682
This is the real reason the DM wants to contact each player privately, they're going to find one and secretly run them as a traitor, and then have a hidden sixth player they run separately that takes their place in the party.
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>>53312703

I'll have to take your word for it.
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Why do you think it is that birds fly /pfg/?
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I hope WWW goes well and everyone has fun!
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>>53312641
To the ends of Golarion!
To infinity, and beyond!
For my ambition, I would go FULL degenerate!
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>>53312717

Man, Pilgrimage GM here. I watched that show for inspiration like less than a week ago. I'm not sure how much I got, but I'll tell you right now: Rokka no Yuusha is my fucking jam.

A typical shonen adventure that turns into a mystery? YES PLEASE.

MESOAMERICAN SETTING? HOLY FUCK, THAT'S MY GO-TO FLAVOR.

It was great.
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>>53312717
Reminder to NEVER EVER trust the spellsword. Not the first one. Not the second one. Neither of them. They're up to no good. If you put too much trust in them then they'll just break your heart
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>>53312712

Supposedly, she's a character made by an anon here on /tg/.
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>>53312789

The artist, last I checked, got massively buttfrustrated and deleted all their art and exploded their tumblr, though.
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>>53312712
>>53312789
I remember her being made in the short-lived OC Generals, she's the familiar of a Varisian wizard who passed away after giving her life and a humanoid figure.
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>>53312016
>>53312078
Should I play a snarky and smug geomancer loli?
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>>53312818
Eizen ;_;
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>>53312818
Edna wants OLD MAN DICK but isn't attractive to them

true suffering
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/pfg/ - Tales general I guess.
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>>53312682
How would you feel about someone BEING betrayal?
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House Cannith is gonna break our legs if we don't front the business paperwork. Tonight's session might be one of a little less peril, and for that I'm actually looking forward to it.

Have you ever had a break from the norm in your sessions, /pfg/? Was it welcomed?
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>>53312808
>>53312810
It's a cute cat
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>>53312766
>Rokka no Yuusha

So what 3pp do I have to bring out if I want to do pic related?
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>>53312078
I literally still have my original Tales of Sympohonia copy sitting on my shelf right now. Brings back good memories, it's the first J-RPG I ever played. Presea and Sheena are best girls.
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>>53312877

Honestly this dude just feels like an Investigator or Alchemist dialed up to 9000.
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>>53312878
Edna is best girl and she isn't even in Symphonia.

How do I stat her in Pathfinder?
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>>53311655
Where did this picture come from?
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>>53312878
Same man, I should probably get a TV so I can hook up my gamecube and replay it sometime. Either that or shell out the cash to play the updated version that's on steam
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>>53312905
Probably some sort of earth focused Kineticist with 3pp to make it not terrible, since Seraphim are basically blasterish
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>>53312864

Certainly. It's nice to have a slower session to decompress from a high-tension, high-drama arc, and it can help a light-hearted game to turn serious once in a while.
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>>53312877
>Let the fight begin!
>Only two people even try to block the easily seen projectiles

Like he's not even moving that fast, who are these chumps.
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>>53312905
>TFW SHE'S WEARING EIZEN'S BOOST

AAAAAH IT HURTS TOO MUCH
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>>53312878
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>>53312877
Polymath Alchemist?
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>>53312962
Best Anime Rivalries.
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>>53312951
Level 2's verses a level 10.
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>>53312930
Hrm I might do that with the steam version...
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>>53312995
>>53312930
Play Berseria its -really good-
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>>53312674
Puh-lease.
Everyone knows Kyras' one true love is ___Seht
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>>53313003
Personally I've only played Symphonia and Vesperia, most because they were available on the consoles I had at the time. I don't use consoles anymore, only ever bought a gamecube and an xbox back when they were big hits.
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>>53312938
Edna should just be 2hu's ALL DAY Stone Blaster.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48382763/#48382882
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>>53313020
Berseria and Zestiria are both on PC

Zestiria is pretty bog-average, but its story and world connects with Berseria, which is god tier.
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>>53312674
Nice try, Kyras
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>>53313041
Nope, >>53313016 was me.
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>>53312638
>ayy lmao smug jokester
>actually obviously depressed and cynical as fuck
Robin Williams?
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My friends want me to run a campaign next week. Can someone recommend me some modules that are for level 3 or 4? Last game I ran from a module was Crypt of the Everflame and it went pretty well.
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>>53313067
It's a standard anime archetype.
Raven did it too.
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>>53313067
Magilou is great though
>>53313086
NO THIS SHIP IS UNACCEPTABLE

RITA ESTELLE OR BURN
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>>53312674
Counterpoint to your argument: https://pastebin.com/RvkgD1av
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>>53312674
I thought Kyras wanted Andrik
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>>53313086
I don't remember the last time I saw a smug jokester who wasn't hiding cynical depression in any media.

Or real life actually.
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>>53313102
Edna in Zestiria is actually just a smug loli

Sure she's sad about losing her brother, but that never stops her from being a smug loli
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>>53313095
>NO THIS SHIP IS UNACCEPTABLE

>RITA ESTELLE OR BURN

Fite me.
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>>53312016
>Humans only
Fuck. I thought this would be the one.
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>>53312962
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>>53313120
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>53313065
Oh, good point. I forgot there was a one reply limit for Kyrasposting.

Bravo, Abyss Knight. You're an inspiration to us all.
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>>53313121
>boo hoo I can't play a super speshul aasimar.
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>>53313132
Want to duo app? You can be Rita, I can be Raven, someone else can be Estelle for a triple-app and I can cuck her.
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>>53313162
I already apped

I'm one of the known talesfags.
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>>53313016
>>53313100
Two of the most eligible bachelors in /pfg/ memeland, and he can't have them both! Doushio?
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>>53312674
Pretty it's just false flagging. The players would just PM if they were serious about a hook-up.
Probably a salty Anon that didn't get into the game.
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>>53313138
Whoa anon, calm down with those implications. You've seem to have taken my comment as a personal attack, when in reality it wasn't!

Have a nice picture of a spider wolf to calm you down.
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>>53313172
He could have them both if he just PM'ED THEM!
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>>53313196
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>>53311013
God dammit that's it.

Can we please just get a few Pathfinder general images that rotate in and out (Ones that SAY Pathfinder general), like the other general threads.
Two weeks ago it was really good anime art all in the same style. For 4-5 days it was some more modern western art cause someone got fed up with the anime, some one got fed up with that and started using PF official art. Now this. Now I'm fed up!

It's annoying when I just want to scroll and find it, and not have to do a double take because we decided to change the OP pic style again.
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>>53313294
just ctrl f pfg
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>>53313294
>he doesn't know how to search the catalog!
So how are you enjoying your first summer on 4chan so far kiddo?
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>>53313202
What a slut. He's been PMing everyone! Is there anyone that whore hasn't PMed?
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>>53313335
>>53313344
Ew, and ew. Should I stay up to date on the PF reddit too?
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>>53313492
Yeah, go back to /reddit/
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>>53313492
The fuck is wrong with you nigger, the catalog is a part of the fucking site. You don't have to subscribe to whatever fucking board culture but learn to use your fucking tools if you're gonna bitch.
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/psionic-powers/p/psychic-reformation

So

Does this turn the Wilder into a free respec machine for the whole team?

Do you get to respec about everything save for class and abiliti scores?
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>>53313177
I bet they're PMing right now about smooching! Right on her lips!
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>>53313565
You mean a psion, not a wilder.
And it's old news.
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>>53313294
>4chan.org/tg/pfg
There now quit your winge, you leaky vagina.
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>>53313565
this has been a problem power since all the way back in 3.5. It's not exactly new.

that said, yes.

>>53313589
Was the tittyfox really necessary?
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>>53313571
>smooching Kyras' mutant mouth

The possible logistics of this intrigue me
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>>53313571
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>>53313589
It's available for Wilders. Pay attention instead of shitposting.

>>53313610
A problem? That sounds super crazy OP
>>
Serious question for you /pfg/: how much did Rory's TSS bamboozle stunt set him back? It seems like he was just starting to round the corner on the leaked logs and people were starting to forgive him and think maybe he was ready to be a productive member of the general. Did he just put himself on the outs again? When Blood Mountain finally comes around will anybody actually trust him to not pull the rug out again?
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>>53313686
There's no reason to be a wilder when you can be a psion.
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>>53313658
What, you never wanted to make out with Dario Brando?
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>>53313675
I will trade you yours for mine.
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>>53313700
>people actually trusting him

He could become a literal saint, singlehandedly fix PoW, and save SoM tomorrow and people would still hate him. I sincerely doubt anyone was actually taking TSS seriously.
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>>53313700
What will the next great bamboozle game be?
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>>53313734
Really, just how terrible is SoM?
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>>53313700
Bloodmountain just seems like another version of WWW so
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>>53313700
Rory offered his time to run a game and this general shat on him for it. He's not the one who should be sorry, the anons who put in joke applications and shitted up the thread should. Some of us were really looking forward to the game and a few bad apples shit all over the bunch.
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>>53313766
EhnJolly said about 2 hours ago
I am reading over these suggestions, and something I want to note here is that so many of these are a radical overhaul to the system that we couldn't implement these in a reasonable amount of time. We only have so much time to work on this, and massive system wide changes like this are going to change so much about the mechanics as to delay things much more than we'd like. At this point, we're hoping to try and implement smaller changes to fix existing issues such as focus cycling, although with the amount of strong swift actions we have, we'd like to think that choosing to regain focus or keeping one's swift action is still a difficult choice in and of itself.

MichaelSayre said 4 minutes ago
We don't really agree that there's any fundamental flaw in focus, just some issues with the current way things interact that we're working on fixing. A complete rewrite of the book simply isn't going to happen, both because we don't agree that such is necessary, and because we don't have the time or money to throw out a perfectly serviceable and functional system for something that a majority of players may or may not consider "better". More than that, many suggested "fixes" are actually things we already tried and discarded for various reasons early in development, so while we're not going to go around telling everyone "sorry, tried that and it sucks", there are suggestions we aren't going to be able to run with because we've already been down that road and we know how it ends.

They're not fixing it. They'll shovel it out to hit the Kickstarter release date...
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>>53313700
I always knew Blood Mountain would fail.
I'm glad that the people who actually had hopes for it were spared the long term disappointment.
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>>53313787
Shut up Rory.
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>>53313753
I sincerely hope it'll be Bloodmountain. Not by Rory though. Nice long app process. Lots of good applications. Picks are made and then... nobody shows up for the game. Rory reschedules with his backups, everything gets confirmed and then... nobody shows up for the game.

>>53313787
Hi Rory.
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>>53313753
I bet the RotJR is the ultimate bamboozle.

As soon as Nualia lay dead, a great fissure shall tear the Earth, and from it a six headed beast crowned with all the nations of the world shall loose a mighty and rancorous sound, "Bazinga."
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>>53313791
That points to a bad mindset, but that explains only a few of the problems they aren't fixing. What else is wrong with the SoM stuff?
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>>53313658
>>53313731
If she can not smooch him on the lips, she will smooch him on other places!
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>>53313809
>As soon as Nualia lay dead, a great fissure shall tear the Earth, and from it a six headed beast crowned with all the nations of the world shall loose a mighty and rancorous sound, "Bazinga."

>The Saturday group takes down Nualia and then proceed to take the place of each of the Runelords
Who gets which sin?
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>>53313787
Man, I don't care about Rory at all and if he ran a game I was interested in I'd apply no matter how bad his rep was, but practically every game has to deal with joke apps and meme shit.

If he can find four apps he can run for a game he wants to host, he should run them. Who gives a shit about /tg/. I'm not about to disrespect him for the game that didn't happen, but I am for his giving up on it.
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>>53313787
>Vult takes all the PLD hate and personal attacks to his face during the app process, spits back at it and powers forward to run his game how he wanted it with the apps he liked
>It's going well to this day

>Rory gets some joke apps but some genuinely enthusiastic apps, and nowhere near the same level of disdain for his game concept
>Makes excuses and gives up
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>>53313830
Like the cheek, or the ear, or maybe...maybe even--Gods willing--the forehead!
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>>53313818
They've got all these options but the best SoM builds are the ones that just do fuckoff big damage.

Especially Alchemy. Holy SHIT, Alchemy is fucking bonkers, it makes pre errata Broken Blade look balanced.
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>>53313853

....Was Vult the hero we deserve?

Also when's the next game where I can shit myself.
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>>53313853
>wanting to have anything to do with PLD-scale memes
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>>53313853
I can't really hold it against Rory that he didn't want to become Vult 2.0
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>>53313861
Well, are the sub-optimal SoM builds still better than average? If so, that isn't too bad.
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>>53313830
>>53313856
there are all sorts of places to smooch
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>>53311516
>Don't be too surprised if you recognize a *lot* of it.
Given they didn't pimp X New Y! all over it's product description, I'd rather guessed it was a rules/data compilation like Ultimate Equipment.

Though, I'm sure there's still a billion things floating around in the 15$ splats that haven't been pulled togather into a single book.

Though, everything that matters is SRD open content anyway...
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>>53313889
I maintain that if Rory really wanted the game to go well, he should have made an alternate roll20 account and hid his identity.
The RotJR GM did all the Q&A through PMs and the lfg thread, never revealing who he was in the IRC until picks were made.

The fact he ran it as Rory shows part of his motive was always an attempt to boost his reputation.
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>>53313940
Or that he's an absolute idiot
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>>53313929
All of those pictures focusing on 2b's hands. This artist is a cunt.
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>>53313929
Where would you kiss your Roll20 crush?
For me, it's forehead, cheek, lips, neck,
back, and toes
in no particular order.
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Stat him.
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>>53313972
What's wrong with her hands?
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>>53313705
Instead of talking about the subject, you're just saying stupid, unsubstanced stuff.
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>>53313700
He's in a race to the bottom with Vult, and it's anybody's game!
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>>53314045
2 powers known at level 3 and still only level 1 powers.

Wilder is shit.
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>>53313985
Who is your crush?
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>>53313856
She should deepthroat his tail
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>>53314040
This is an actual spoiler. You have been warned. 9s gets disarmed by a number of 2b replacement bodies infected by a logic virus and replaces it with a 2b arm, but not before he caresses himself with the disembodied hand.
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>>53313985
On the tip of his lance
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>>53313833
>Aranha
Sloth
>Casimir
Pride
>Corwin
Wrath
>Onryou
Gluttony
>Seht
Envy
>Valeriya
Lust
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>>53314122
You should tell your crush that in a PM! PM THEM!
>>
Have you ever wanted to be a real villain. Do you want to catch a hero, like a real paladin? Do you want to wear a disguise?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77329/something-wicked-comes-this-way
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>>53314099
>mfw I wanted him to be forced to start replacing more and more of himself with 2B parts until he he was, for all intents and purposes, another 2B but crazier.
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>>53314151
>Casimir with his ugly jew nose
>Not greed
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>>53314093
Little hint: It'd be awkward for him to kiss her on her mouth.
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>>53314208
>way of the wicked

sigh.
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>>53314208
>voice only
>3pp AP with an INFAMOUSLY shitty and unfun opening

Yeah, no.
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>>53314208
>way of the wicked
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>>53314243
Well yeah, it's hard to smooch things with muzzles.
>>
>>53314258
Look who's talking shit.
>>
>>53314248
>>53314258
My group's having fun with it. We even managed to get out of the prison without any losses...

Though, my character almost didn't.

We're halfway-ish into book 2 now. Though, we're at around 1/2 to 2/3rds WBL...
>>
>>53314392
APs are infamous for almost always being below WBL,
>>
Does anyone have a link to the Path of War errata? Apparently it came out today but I can't find it anywhere.
>>
I do not believe that most of the people who claim "things were like this in x edition" and want it to go back to that ever actually played those editions.

Yes, I'm calling someone out.
>>
>>53314537
Kitsune fag where are you
>>
>>53314445
Unsurprising, likely doesn't help that we're 5 PCs, who've set aside a 6th share for mission-task uses. When most APs are balanced for 4.

Eh, we're still smashing encounters. And, more importantly, having some fun RP.

We've got a Machiavellian damphir, aiming to become full vampire. With a "You killed my father" angle on going after the king. [Mesmerist/Arcanist, with a dip into Swashbuckler's rapier archtype.]

A slutty teifling cleric/antipaladin who's pushing the "religious freedom" aspect of Asmo. Yet, wants to become a lich.

An Ifrit Antipaladin who thinks he's both a tiefling AND Asmodeus' prophet. He's aiming for full demon, and shared the ritual he discovered with the party. The other two of whom are presently onboad.

A male witch who's into some kinky shit, including creating horrific fleshwarped abominations.

And a spoiled princess Slayer from a fallen Asmodean branch of the Victor's family, seeking to reclaim the privileges of nobility.
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Tell me /pfg/, instead of scouring and combing the internet for something close enough to your character for art, why do't you just make them using the character creator and mods in Skyrim and post pics of them? Surely, there are enough mods out there that can let you make your silly characters
>>
>>53314187
I already did. It was magical! I want to go back for another round soon, though.
>>
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>>53314612
Because a 3D model is one of the cheapest, sleaziest ways to make a character, and it's not like good artwork is rare on the Internet.
>>
>>53314612
Because it's trash and doesn't have everything?
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>>53314644
W-What did you talk about? We want details!
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>>53314537
Would Pathfinder be better if it was totally replaced by 4e?
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>>53314688
Mostly about you, anon, and how you'll never have a snowball's chance in hell
>>
>>53314692
3.5e's only advantage over 4e was the multiclassing. PF killed the viability of that.
So yes.
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>>53314692
just fix the shitty skills system and the retard linear alignments, and it just might
>>
>>53314485
It's not out yet, one of the devs just blew their load super early.
>>
>>53313985
I don't have a roll20 crush but I'd kiss just about any lady on the feet if she told me to
>>
>>53314730
Taveena is currently in the DSP gulag awaiting discipline and execution from Chris Bennett, sole author of PoW1.
>>
>>53314842
I keep reading ErrantX's real name as Chris Benoit.
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>>53314869
I can't believe Benoit murdered Gareth
>>
>>53314730
You can blow your load super early in your sock you degenerate.
>>
>>53314869
>awaiting discipline and execution from Chris Benoit
Well that's good, because I'm pretty sure Taveena and him aren't related, so she's fine.
>>
>>53314688
You know how it goes, Anon. Only a memedog kisses and tells.
>>
>>53314692
Pretty much, yeah. Just whip up a 4e clone, incorporate the math fix, and call it done.
>>
why does the latest application to demonlands look like Saddam Hussein?
>>
>>53314688
>>53314711 is only joking anon
we really joke about how sad it is you still haven't PM'd them. . . while cuddling
>>
>>53313732
Ah. somebody made one before me. Ha!
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>>53312664
LET ME SNOOZE RUSE OOZE
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>>53314688
THICK
STRFAG
COCK
>>
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>>53313162
Y'all need a Yuri and Judith in there.
>>
>>53314208
>voice only
lol
>>
>>53315243
T-they're all supposed to be distant cousins please no
>>
>>53315281
We're all distant cousins when you think about it.
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>>53315281
What's the problem with distant cousins? Genetically speaking 2nd cousins is practically strangers already.

Let two battle-junkies find love
>>
>>53315299
And besides

Mikleo X Sorey is the real OTP :^)
>>
>>53315299
You got a purdy mouth when you think about it
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>>53315309
I didn't know ogres could type.
>>
>>53314392
>>53314606
I'm in a way of the wicked game that's managed to still be running, I'm currently well into book three and it's been a lot of fun. According to the GM book 2 was a bit experimental, it definitely drags on a bit because of the way it's played out as a base builder. it wasn't a lot of fun and felt like a wasted opportunity because the base get's destroyed anyways and you move away from that after book 2 is done.

>>53314258
>>53314248
Honestly with the 7th book and some modifications it can be a bit of a fun start. I wish I could say more, but I've literally played through the prison break scene of that AP 5 times already... it wears you down man, that game is cursed, all five times the games got cancelled or poofed, in my current game of WotW I dodged the bullet by joining half way into book 1.
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>>53315281
Result don't look deformed to me.
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>>53315299
Didn't stop Azura from being the canon love interest in Fire Emblem!
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>>53314730
Can you give me a link? I'm interested in seeing just how much of a load he blew.
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>>53315330
Well, you'll find there's a lot about ogres you didn't know once you peel back their layers
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>>53315234
SHUT UP, STRFAGS ARE LIMP-DICKED LOSERS. YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE DONE THAT.
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>>53315374
POWER ATTACKED HER CERVIX SO HARD SHE SHIT HERSELF
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>>53312078
Sheena is the real angel.
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>>53315374
Branwen's going to take some STRfag love.
>>
>>53315386
THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET SUCH ACCURACY IS WITH FURIOUS FOCUS!

AND THAT FEAT NEEDS TWO HANDED GRIP.
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>>53315409
FURIOUS FOCUSED RIGHT INTO A DAZZLING DISPLAY IN HER SPHINCTER
>>
Whoever makes the next thread, please use this updated unified link repository link: https://pastebin.com/PeD1SMUZ
>>
>tfw don't care if not optimal
>tfw prefer QUALITY over any singular aspect
Tell me boys, how do we make Quality builds great again? The only way I can think of doing so is using those Finesse AWT options that just double your Str to damage
>>
>>53315445
Fractured Mind Exciter can get QUALITY Rage, but that's the only other thing I can think of. If you want to go Quality, you need to go ranged, which is just plain and simple the name of the game.
>>
>>53315443
Bump.
It checks out. REMINDER FOR NEW THREAD
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>>53315394
I didn't realize Svetlana was a Strfag. Must have been hiding her power level so Oleg didn't feel embarrassed.
>>
>>53315338
Well, my group alternates weeks with Pathfinder and Dark Heresy.

So, the Balentyne part of book one took several months. Though, I think we ended up sacking the place totally on week two. But there was so much side RP and trying to come at the problem sideways that many sessions barely moved the clock forward a day.

The weekly timeframe of book two has gotten a bit faster, as there can be more abstraction and assumption of daily things. Though, we're only to week 4 or 5 now.

I will say, the Prison break does seem to come down to some chance, and not being stupid.
One of my group had done it before, and every time his teammates failed by trying to burn the field outside the keep... So, what does my group do as I try to talk them out of it and the other guy is audibly biting his tongue in frustration not to metagame?
>>
>>53315445
Vigilantes with Lethal Grace; by 20th level, your bonus damage would be equivalent to if you had 30 DEX.
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>>53315502
>mfw Svetlana becomes Branwen's new mom
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>>53315443
What's the update?
>>
>>53315445
Lethal Grace Vigilantes are absolutely Quality, they even outscale Deadly agility because they get 1.5 str boosts
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>>53315533
>outscale Deadly Agility
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>>53315425
Critical hit, roll to stun.
>>
>>53315521
What's the female equivalent of Dicky Daddy?
>>
>>53315521
Oh, on the contrary. Svetlana's the one who's been squealing "Mommy~"
>>
>>53315548
Muffin Mommy, last I checked.
>>
>>53315548
Cummy Mummy
>>
>>53315543
Vigilantes are the holders of quality
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>>53315544
I rolled a 19!
>>
>>53315569
I'm not contesting that point, I'm saying dex vs strfags are REEEEE-ing because 1.5x deadly agility might be reality
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>>53315552
You know, it does surprise me some that Svetlana's this young, doting wife to Oleg and it's never actually explained why she hasn't had a kid or two by him between them getting married and the start of Kingmaker. I'd say it's because they're afraid of putting children (especially unborn ones) in the way of violence, but they've kinda been doing that in previous APs.
>>
So one of my fellow players is a big fan of this class, which I think is on the pretty busted side:

https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/conversion-info/classes/artificer

Am a wrong? Am I being anti-fun?

I was considering playing a Pagent of the Peacock cheese bard, but now I feel like I want to play either this class as well, just so I'm sure I'm on the same power level, or some horrible Frankenstein of features that can always outdo it.

It's going to be in a kingdom building game, so time is no object when it comes to crafting...
>>
>>53315614
Fairies stole their kids
>>
>>53315597
Which is a shitty thing. If the only way to get 1.5 dex to damage was to stay only available to that one swashbuckler archetype, then all would be well.

The only reason to go strength is higher overall damage two handed
>>
>>53315597
that will probably change the math away

They really shouldn't give deadly agility 1.5 dex to damage when 2handing, its a bad idea.
>>
>>53315621
There is a 3pp artificer class on the pfsrd that might be what you are looking for. Makes magic items and even has it's own temporary superitem that it can make, but the bonuses to standard magic item crafting of that artificer MIGHT be too much for a game with so much downtime. (Or maybe not, who knows. I haven't played artificer like that since 3.5)
>>
>>53315633
>Swashbuckler archetype

What fucking swashbuckler archetype are you thinking of, the ONLY SOURCE of 1.5x dex is Unchained Rogue. It's literally the only reason to even PLAY a fucking Rogue anymore.

>>53315639
Meme power, and hopefully Brutal Slayer's Muscle Memory getting turned into a feat chain.
>>
>>53315667
that would be a good thing actually the muscle thing..
>>
>>53315678
I can guarantee it probably will never happen from DSP because paizofags would REEEEEE, but this won't stop me from wanting it anyway.
>>
>>53315633
Strength still has the advantage of needing fewer feats and having a much higher ceiling. Still though, RIP TWF
>>
>>53315621
>>53315661
Don't use the artificer, use the artisan it's a lot less busted:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/drop-dead-studios/the-artisan/
>>
>>53315667
The ronin has the ability to apply 1.5 when wielding their sword in two hands, but reduces the precision damage granted by swash levels by half.
>>
>>53315722
oh, so an archetype from Everyman gaming, something which I have seen exactly nobody ever use.
>>
>>53315711
>Strength is still relevant because it saves you a feat

Woah, woah! A feat! I could spend that on Improved Initiative, Armor Mastery, Armor Mastery+2, and Lightning Reflexes to get on-par with Dexterity!
>>
>>53315661
>>53315713
Well that's my point. I want to match them in level of busted.
>>
>>53315743
>a feat
It saves you two feats, both of which have to be taken almost immediately in order to avoid being useless until you come online, it is easier to increase than Dex, and on top of that is STILL necessary for power attack.
>b-but piranha strike
Inferior to the real thing.
>>
>>53315748
Then let your DM know there's a version of your friend's pet class that has the same feel but is less busted.
>>
>>53315791
>It saves you two feats

>4717 AR
>Expecting a campaign that allows PoW to not also allow feat tax

>both of which have to be taken almost immediately in order to avoid being useless until you come online

Yeah, and the aforementioned feat tax coupled with what is commonly a level 3 start means you come online right away, with a feat to spare.

>it is easier to increase than Dex

Lies

>and on top of that is STILL necessary for power attack.

Then pump your Strength to 14! Any decent STRFAG knows to do that with Dex.
>>
>>53315791
>, it is easier to increase than Dex
No it's not. You're either relying on buff spells from a vanician caster or wasting points on charisma and spending feats on Eldritch heritage for this to be true.

It's a dumb fucking decision.
>>
>>53315801
They know, and there still letting them play it. But I've decided that if this is going to be the power level for the group, then I might as well have one at the same level.
>>
Can someone give me a lit of recruiting games?
>>
>>53315515
Yeah if you're alternating on games with it, it's book two is definitely going to go slow. I played it weekly and by the time we hit around week 5 or so we stopped really doing day to day RP and just chugged through the weeks, minion actions, and encounters.
>>
>>53315851
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77276/pilgrimage-to-the-demonlands

I know this

And someone is running Ironfang?
>>
>>53315822
>This isn't a thing when you also use a bunch of other homebrewed rules
Nice!

>>53315825
>You're either relying on buff spells from a vanician caster or wasting points on charisma and spending feats on Eldritch heritage for this to be true.
What the fuck else is new? When were martials NOT sucking the casters off for favors? And it's not wasting points if you can further increase your strength by doing it.
>>
>>53315825
>having to suck off casters for buffs

wow who would have thought a martial relied on the caster for things
>>
>>53315968
and when does the caster suck off the martial for shit?
>>
>>53315978
In my experience? Through PMs.
>>
>>53315941
>When were martials NOT sucking the casters off for favors?
When they started playing with Path of War.
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>>53315825
>No it's not. You're either relying on buff spells from a vanician caster or wasting points on charisma and spending feats on Eldritch heritage for this to be true.
Yes because 17 charisma at high levels is so difficult, right?

I'd spend 4 feats on +12 Str, +4 Con, and a size increase on demand. Plus +6 to survival, but that's just a bonus.
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>>53316006
>>53316006
>>53316006
>>53316006
>>53316006
>>53316006
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>>53315978
levels 1-3, in order to carry shit.
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>>53315941
>Nice!

Do you seriously think ANYBODY here will be in a game where Path of War is allowed yet those homebrew rules somehow are not?
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>>53316008
>>53316008
>high levels
>mattering
Bercause I'm sure we give a shit about what happens at level 17.

And what if you're not a Charisma based initiator, disphit? Now you're even MORE fucking mad than the Dex fag was.

That's also way more fucking feats than required to get Deadly Agility online.

Eldrict Heritage isn't a valid justification for Deadly Agility completely invalidating STR now. If you think it is you need to get DSP's cock out of your fucking mouth.
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>>53316030
I'm in such a game.
Talked my GM into permitting PoW, on the grounds that man, full-attack every round is boring as shit.
Failed to talk my GM into feat tax and background skills on the grounds that he trusted Paizo's balance.
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>>53315897
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77293/ironfang-invasion-adventure-path
Doesn't look like it is popular here on roll20 despite daily shilling.
>>
>>53316177
*meant pfg
>>
>>53316177

I'd apply if it was any day other than Thursdays and Saturdays
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>>53316177
>>53316188
It's surprisingly not very popular on roll20 either, though. Compare it to BitF which had double the number of apps by this point, many of whom were roll20 randos.
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>>53316239
Probably got burned by the bamboozle
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>>53316239

3PP scares off normies
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>>53313787
A good chunk of those apps were pretty serious.
So in doing what he did, he screwed, what, 5 maybe 10 people out of the time spent writing up those characters and getting their hopes up?

And what did Rory lose? 5 mins copy pasting shit from the player's guide?

Not enough good apps he says? How long was the app period again? 3 weeks right? How long before he shut it down? A week? Maybe less?

Fuck Rory, we all know he was doing this as a grab for attention and never intended to run the game in the first place but those people didn't know any better and got fucked over because some faggot wanted people to talk about him.
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>>53316310
Shit. Probably should have just posted 3pp allowed with approval and vet shit as they come.
>>
>>53316310
>>53316551
That wasn't the case in the least with BitF. Normies were jumping over one another to see what kind of grimdark shit they could put out with PoW and psionics.
>>
>>53315982
I can attest from personal experiences with sucking off martial hunks
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