Pathfinder General /pfg/

How can I make a loveable, dimwitted minotaur bard who is NOT for lewd?

>>53186588
By playing up the dumb, fun aspect instead of the huge horsecock or fat tits?

>>53186527
Have you ever considered not being a cunt?

>>53186588
Make him male and doughy.

>>53186588
1. Find a campaign that lets you play a Minotaur
2. Take levels in Bard.

Done.

>>53186527
If they wanted be to know them better they'd PM me.

I'm not gonna start annoying them when they barely tolerate my existence.

>>53186623
What if they're thinking the same thing about you? Two shits passing in the night.

>>53186623
We all barely tolerate our existences, anon.

>>53186527
You don't? I've added 2 of them on skype and discord, pretty sure I've also friended one of them on facebook and would probably meet them in person at some con if I went to them.

>>53186527
I think you guys should make another thread and not post in this one

>>53186645
It's time to send yourself a PM.

Would you allow a player to swap an animal companion for a familiar?

Would you allow a player to deliberately pick multiple features that got him animal companions and swap them all for familiars?

Would you permit multiple picks of the Extra Familiar feat?

>plan on being the ultimate skill monkey for Trouser Snake
>Investigator/Vigilante
>everything uses Int
>with Human/FCB/int/Class ranks/Background skills have 16 ranks per level
No one can stop me now!

What games are recruiting?

>>53186790
Depends on what the player wants to do with it.

>>53186790
>Would you allow a player to swap an animal companion for a familiar?
No

>Would you allow a player to deliberately pick multiple features that got him animal companions and swap them all for familiars?
No

>Would you permit multiple picks of the Extra Familiar feat?
Wouldn't even allow the first pic.

>>53186610
Have you ever considered not wasting the energy on being mad at anime? I bet it would free up a lot of your time and lower your stress by a significant margin.

>>53186836
I'm not mad at anime, I'm mad at 'let's keep going on about 2hu and dhb, and also lets keep telling people to pm their fucking discord crushes'

stop it.

>>53186820
I honestly have no clue what the player is planning.
They're doing a Raven Lord//Incanter gestalt, so I assume they want loads of ravens for some reason.

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>>53186527
>tfw will never get to play out my disgusting /ss/ cleric fantasies in game

>>53186889
I believe in you. One day you'll be able to play out your debauchery.

>>53186863
Should probably ask them then.

If they want it to do for fluff, let them. If they want to abuse it don't.

Just communicate, really.

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>LoBaF girls

>Gamze
EYEBROWS
>Essa
Onee-chan
>Aida
C@
>Iolanthe
MElf

Who is best girl? I want to lick Gamze's eyebrows

>>53186860
Oh, that? I can agree with that.
I don't even get why people get so involved with those two, even second hand.

>>53186527
>Have you PMed anyone in any of your games and gotten to know them better?
No. There's one I'd like to get to know better but I'm worried they resent or dislike me OOCly. So I don't want to push the matter.

>>53186916
You're reaching critical levels of tsun there.

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>>53186916
>I want to lick Gamze's eyebrows
what? why?

>>53186790
>Would you allow a player to swap an animal companion for a familiar?
Sure. Given how many convoluted ways there are to exchange one for the other, I may as well cut through the bullshit and just let them swap if they want.

>Would you allow a player to deliberately pick multiple features that got him animal companions and swap them all for familiars?
Probably not. Only one unless you can find a way to do it RAW. Don't strain the limits of my good will.

>Would you permit multiple picks of the Extra Familiar feat?
Didn't even know that was a feat. Probably not, but like anything I could be convinced with a suitably persuasive argument.

>>53186930
I love everyone in my parties! I might not be the best player or the most talkative, but I hold no grudges or anger-feelings towards my partners!

Jesus Christ can we not?

Anyways: I have a new player, and they are playing warpriest. They really struggle with the whole "prepare spells" thing. Anything I can do as a DM to help them?

>>53187139
Tell them this:
>before session starts, not every morning in game, make 2-3 lists of your 'normal list' with a few empty slots for prep during the day

Instead of deciding all their slots each in game morning they choose one of their preprepared lists. If they can't manage to make the lists then help them do so.

>>53187139
Tell them to look at each level of spell and pick two spells they think are the shit. Then have them put half their prepared spells in each one.

Alternatively, convert them to a spontaneous caster.

>>53187139
In what way are they struggling, just the 'all these spells to pick from' thing?

>>53187181
Basically

>>53187167
>Alternatively, convert them to a spontaneous caster.
I was thinking of doing this DESU, because they seem fine building a competent character out of game (travel domain for delivering a full attacking paladin...it is super good), but they seem to have decision paralysis in game.

How would you convert a 6th level prepared divine caster to spontaneous?

>>53187167
Seconded. You can use any of the other 6-level caster's spells known tables and keep spells per day.

>>53187139
Well, are they struggling with understanding how prepared casting works in the first place, or just struggling with deciding what to prepare?

>>53187081
I love everybody in my party, too!

How good is Daring Cavalier from an 'I'm the only melee character in the party' perspective?

What about Warpriest?

>>53187193
It's pretty dang easy: just tell them to ignore the Warpriest's prep rules and instead look at Inquisitor's spells known.

>>53187193
>How would you convert a 6th level prepared divine caster to spontaneous?
Simple option is to find another 6th level caster, except that it's spontaneous instead of prepared, and hotswap the tables.

When was the last time you had a moment where you realized you had been severely underestimating the enemy.

My players had this recently when they had misjudged the main antagonist. They assumed because he hadn't fought them he couldn't fight and used his lieutenants, so they went for a final rush sort of plan. Got a very warm welcoming when they busted into his audience chamber. The main villain was waiting for them and congratulated them for sneaking into his home past his guards, and even brought three of his lieutenants as witnesses, but told the party 'they will not be participating'.

>>53187081
A reminder that your party is not your friends in or out of character and that you should always have a plan to kill them in or out of character

>>53187209
>>53187227
The inquisitor gets a custom spell list though. The warpriest just uses the cleric list. I'm worried that the loss in versatility would be too big of a hit.

What about giving them bard casting from the cleric list, and giving them spell keening or something similar?

>>53187208
Warpriests are fucking amazing. Human FCB warpriest gets 2 few feats than a fighter, and you can swift action buff yourself each round.

>>53187251
What if I still count them as my friends and want to trust them even when I ALSO have a plan to kill them all if they should turn on me?

>>53187259
Spell Kenning limited to the Cleric List but usable a few more times a day sounds good to me.

>>53187139
I just can't even! Ugh!

>>53186972
What's his name?

>>53187289
I mean I really can't even at all. It's super like...terribad how weird these threads get.

Seriously though; this place gets way to degenerate sometimes. Remember that if you want a hobby to flourish you need to not creep the fuck out of normies.

>>53186916
>Gamze
I don't keep up with any of the games or anything, but is that a homestuck reference?

>>53187259
Can you sell me on Warpriest?

I've gone from thinking I'd be a Brawler, to thinking Slayer, to thinking Daring Cavalier, to now considering Warpriest and I am getting fucking confused.

>>53187357
Will do. Give me a sec though.

>>53187357
Warpriest is pretty much a fusion of Cleric/Fighter. From the Fighter side, you get Fighter-tier proficiencies and a good chunk of bonus feats. From the Cleric side, you get a decent spell list (Cleric up to 6th isn't anything to sneeze at, even if you're a bit delayed). Where you really shine is your Sacred Weapon and Armor, which allow you to buff up your gear, along with Fervor, which allows you to absolutely inundate yourself with self-buffs.

>>53187351

Surprisingly no.

Thankfully no.

>>53187339
You realize the post you replied to was making fun of you, right?

>>53187439
...you realize that the first two sentences of my reply were continuing the joke?

>>53187081
I still worry. What if you love me ICly but OOCly you just want me to crawl into a hole somewhere and freeze to death? I worry about those things. All the time.

>>53187351
No, thankfully. It's actually just a name (Turkish, I think?).

>>53187504
>Playing a character intentionally designed to be far removed from myself
I'm more afraid of people liking them too much than of people disliking me.

Remember to never let 2hu in your game, cause they'll cuck your players from you!

Anyone got Fool's Errand? Doc in the OP is locked.

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>>53186721
But what if that pisses yourself off?

Would (you) want to be disturbed by (you)?

>>53187504
I love you in both, silly!

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>>53187601
Here you go, senpai.

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>>53187357
>>53187365
Ok: Strap yourself in.

Attached is a level 12 warpriest. The only buffs present are greater magic weapon and magic vestments(turning your masterwork cutlass and armor and buckler into +3, huge money savings), both of which are all day buffs.

Now: as a SWIFT action you can:
>Spend (1 fervor, 1 first level spell) on Divine Favor to gain +4 atk and damage
>Spend (1 fervor, 1 first level spell) on Shield of Faith to gain +4 deflection to AC.
>Spend (1 fervor, 1 second level spell) on Ironskin to gain +6 enchantment to natural armor.
>Spend (1 fervor, daily limit) on Sacred Weapon and Sacred Armor to gain an additional +3 attack/damage for a weapon and +2 AC for your armor.
>Spend (2 blessings) on Destructive Attacks to give yourself +6 damage to your weapon.

You have 2 fewer feats than a fighter of the same level, you qualify for weapon specialization just like a fighter does, and oh, btw, you are a 6th level prepared cleric.

>>53187636
Thanks muchacho

>>53187636
Okay, one question. Is it worth taking Brawler (Contender) over vanilla Brawler or archetyped versions?

>>53187701
That's a pretty good load of stuff. Thanks.

Only starting at level 3, but that's a nice goal. The flexibility is very nice. I won't be able to rely on anyone else to do much in this campaign I'm thinking, so having solid damage, tank ability and some utility sounds good.

Also d20psfrd is wonking out, what levels do humans get their bonus feats?

>>53187851
Only at level 1.

>>53187851
For a warpriest, +1/6th bonus fighter feat per level.

>>53187796
Contendor is Schrodinger's Initiator. You trade half your combat feats, an x/day class feature that I've never considered to be good or worth it. You also lose Brawler's Flurry but that was just icing on the cake. I consider it a straight upgrade if you want to be a punchy, non-Supernatural, Wisdom-based initiator

>>53187884
Their favored Class bonus reads.

d20psfrd just reads Human Gain ? of a new bonus combat feat.

>>53187896
Thanks

So there was drama in Dragons 2 last night?

>>53187455
No, I didn't

>>53187935
The green text didn't make it look like there was any. Where the fuck do people pick up gossip like this? I want in.

>>53187935

None to speak of no.

>>53187901
Sounds delightful, then. Also, considering most of /pfg/'s games tend to be gestalt, do you have any ideas about what would go well with Contender?

>>53187952
I heard Valeriya wants to slay Ameiko and claim the throne for herself!

>>53187959
Honestly, pick a Wisdom-based caster for utility an then go to town. I'd probably pick Cleric, Empyreal Sorcerer, or some other caster class to give utility

>>53188013
but does she have the blood

>>53187953
You sort of implied there was on Discord earlier.

>>53188020
Alright, thanks. I guess I'll send that up when a new lfg pops up.

>>53188031

Mostly just me beating myself up for not being a better DM.

>>53188045
So something did happen?

>>53188045
I'll beat you up for not being a better boyfriend

>>53188077

Me forgetting the age old advice.

"Fade to black".

Everyone liked it, but we all agreed that it shouldn't happen in the future.

>>53188115
>another GM forgot that you need to F2B during session time

AAAAAA

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>>53188115
Who was it? Aurora?

>>53188021
The Amatatsu Seal gives you the blood.

>>53188115
>>53188123
Is a fade to black necessary if the entire party is in on the action?

>>53188132
No, it was Rory and Rorymei after failing numerous will saves in an ill-fated plan to honeypot a criminal.

t. Rory

>>53188148
....could we move the lewed stuff to a ERP thread?

>>53188132
Based on last night's green text there was a double dosage of Rorys.

>>53188148
Not necessarily.
It depends on the players.

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>>53188159
>failing numerous will saves

So pic related?

>>53188160
I don't get why these people don't go to the /erp/ thread on /soc/. Seriously. You can post porn there, post f-lists there and you can't get yelled at for being off topic since you're on topic.

>>53188132
A very attractive man tag-teamed Rorymei and Rory while Lio watched in arousal.

>>53188173
Yes.

Rory was disguised as a twink and Rorymei was wearing Gerudo Link clothes.

I believe it was number 3

can we not?

>>53188214
>>53188160
Could you please take off your name?

>>53188221
Yea sorry. On my phone it remembers it in strange as fuck ways.

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Hey /pfg/, what feats and other abilities are there that let you swap your BAB for your ranks in a skill? Advanced Armor/Weapon Training and Peerless Courtier are the two I could find, but are there others?

>>53188257
I don't know what I'm looking at but it's cute enough.

>captcha: park toilets

>>53188214
Have you not been here in a while?
With the current state of pathfinder the thread has almost entirely been dedicated to game shitposting.

We've just about gone though everything pathfinder has to offer and paizo's dedication to the Ivory Tower has lead us to the "Is there anything good in this new thing? No? Fuck."

But when new stuff gets released, and it's filled with good and fun options the thread goes NUTS with it. Tbt, I blame Paizo for the constant shitery of this thread cuz no one is exited for anything new from them, and are very very pessimistic about it's future.

>>53188283
This is a boy.

>>53188320
>But when new stuff gets released, and it's filled with good and fun options the thread goes NUTS with it.
I'm honestly quite excited for Starfinder, since it sounds like a whole new genre's worth of content and inspiration we could draw from!

>>53188320
The 5.0 thread has literally no content ever, and they don't degenerate into ERP as often as we do.

>>53188349

We've been around longer to stew in our own juices.

>>53188349
I assume 90-100% of the ERP posting is just good old fashioned shitposting with the mask of game discussion.

>>53188349
One of these days I'm going to host a /5eg/ lewd campaign. Try to leave my mark on the board you know?

>>53188349
5e is also the edition full to the brim of normies and people who adamantly defend things wrong with their edition.

>>53188349
That's cuz nothing is coming for them either, right?
>>53188344
I am too, as dumb as it might feel to have faith in them making a fun system. But I really do hope it's closer to a PF2e then it's own system.

>>53188396
>as dumb as it might feel to have faith in them making a fun system
Wha? It's looking mighty fun so far, have some faith!

>>53188394
Mostly I've seen them shitpost violently about why PF is a bad game in here, though I assume it's just one guy with too much time on his hands.

>>53188390
Do it anon. Complete your destiny.

>>53186863
But if all you want are ravens and not familiar cheese, why not just get a bunch of Ravens and train them?

Same dude as >>53188320

I really don't mind the lewd posting, but I'm able to see the cause between the obvious tick up and the highs and lows of paizos releases. And even though I'm guilty of some of the off topic fun, I will agree that too much of it is an obvious problem. Like when someone comes for advice and gets drowned out by it. Which has started happening more and more.

>>53188394

How is this any different from the ten years of shit posting PF has to its name?

>>53188456
You know what would be super dope?

If we branched out, 3pp-wise, and started looking at publishers other than DSP/FFS/DDS

>>53188483
It would be nice if some of those third party publishers didn't publish exclusively shit and shovelware.

>>53188483
Legendary Games is good. They fixed mass combat and kingdom building.

>>53188349
That's because they don't host their own games, by /5eg/ for /5eg/.

That's our one up on them.

>>53188502
/pfg/ tends to like Gonzo.

>>53188503
Agreed, Legendary Games is top-tier.

Should /pfg/ make a Tier list of publishers?

>>53188483
That might help actually, some of the Games advertised even let some others in like >>53188503 and Ascension games(? might be the wrong name ?)

>>53188483
How about if we made more homebrew? Maybe make it a competition or something.

>>53188536
>>53188542
>>53188502


Little Red Goblin, Legendary Games are good.

I kinda like Purple Duck and Rite Publishing.

BLINGMAKER GREENTEXT NOW!

The Cast:

Kyras Czarny, LN Cavalier – The feared Abyss Knight! A rude dude hellbent on taking what he wants, and sowing terror into the heart of his enemies. At least, that’s what he wants you to believe.

Viviana D’Apparan, NG Mystic – An ex-thief on the run from justice, and her past. Soft spoken and gifted with keen insight, she’s doing her best to keep the peace and cool raging tempers, though not above getting in a few conversational barbs.

Andrik Kaminski, LG Warder – A simple farm boy, turned wandering Knight of the Realm and war--wanderer. A rock for the rest of the party to lean on, or occasionally hurl insults at.

Branwen Gwas Ddraig Du, NE Witch – The servant of a powerful black dragon, now unleashed to sate her greed upon an unsuspecting world. Shares the title of resident snarker with Antoinette, constantly spouting caustic epithets, usually responsible for the party’s problems

Franze Voigt, LE Gunslinger – A straight-laced cop from Port Ice, banished to the Greenbelt after kicking the proverbial hornet’s nest. Keeps the rest of the party in line with harsh words, and the occasional act of violence. Bodyguard for…

Antoinette Hearthsley, NE Wizard – A waifish wizard, exiled from her homeland, and now trying to make a name in the River Kingdoms. Constantly trades barbs with Branwen, possibly in a relationship with Franze. Also, a super lightweight (2 glasses of wine? Really?)

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>>53188560
The Kineticists of Porphyra stuff is top-notch.

It's also intensely confusing sometimes because it's by the same author as Legendary's Kineticist stuff, and they work wonders when combined.

Well, most things work better when combined.

>>53188574
Session 2 – In Which Our Heroes Take a Stand Against Banditry, and The Abyss Knight Encounters a Nascent God.

>After a series of late night encounters, the dawn finally arrives; finding Franze sitting upon a bench in the courtyard, preparing for the day ahead.

>Shortly thereafter, Andrik and Kyras awaken and throw on some clothes. With Andrik opting to join the marshal in the courtyard, while Kyras rouses the remaining party members.

>Viviana was already awake and didn’t take kindly to being shaken, Branwen woke cursing and spitting hot fire, while Antoinette was still a snoozing elf burrito.

>Kyras joins the two in the courtyard, and finds Oleg and Svetlana up doing the morning chores.

>In the interest of making conversation, Svetlana asks them a bit about themselves.

>Andrik tells them a little about his home town of Kamien, and his previous master

>Franze continues to be icy, giving the minimum amount of information required to not appear rude.

>The three women still in the bunkhouse finish their preparations, and emerge just in time to discuss battle strategies over a delicious omlette breakfast.

>The group plans on keeping the women up on the walls, initially out of reach of the bandits, while Kyras and Andrik ambush them once they approach the stables.

>Breakfast ends, and the mood grows decidedly somber; everyone except Franze and Viviana dreading what’s to come.

>After a few buffs, and nearly an hour of waiting, the 5 Bandits arrive, and the trap is sprung.

>One of the bandits draws a shortsword, and pulls Oleg close, using him as a human shield! However, Antoinette dazes the man, forcing him to release the shopkeeper, as a musketball from Franze shatters his shoulder.

>Kyras attempts to throw open the stable doors, in a dazzling display of martial prowess. However, he slips stepping through the door, and nearly falls flat on his ass.

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How do I do anything interesting as a witch? The base class and its class features seem perfectly contained on their own, and any character building flourishes strike me as pointless. Ability Focus on a Hex or two, Enchantment Focus, some metamagic and you're done. Maybe that's a sign of a well-designed class, but I want options, dammit.

>>53188591
>The being we who would soon be known as the GODBANDIT saw the black knight’s fumblings, and struck true with a blow that would have decapitated a lesser man. (Nat 20 to hit, and to confirm, for max damage.)

>Branwen’s mastery of Witchcraft drops the leader into a dreamless slumber

>Andrik rushes to his friend’s side, and cuts into GODBANDIT, while one of the bandits makes for the ladder, towards the (relatively) vulnerable casters.

>Figuring Franze can barricade the ladder, Viviana jumps down, and exploits a weak spot on the bandit engaged with Andrik to get a clean strike. The blood spilt satisfies the bargain, and Kyras feels his wounds close slightly.

>The rest of the battle continues with few issues, despite the near constant stream of Nat 1s from Kyras and Andrik, along with the crits from BANDITGOD.

>Notable occurrences include Andrik and the bandit he’s fighting both getting their swords stuck in the door frame, Antoinette failing to touch with a spectral hand, and Viviana nearly killing the Bandit Leader with a crit Spark Strike.

>With the battle over and all their gear stripped, the party begins to debate the fate of the captured bandits. With Andrik and Viviana against killing them, but the rest of the party firmly in favor of it.

>>53188613
>Disgusted with the senseless slaughter, ashamed of the life he took, but out-voted, Andrik promises to bury the dead. An endeavor Viviana joins, more to keep the boy from being alone than because she believes they deserve a burial.

>Franze heads to the bunkhouse to strip off her bloody armor and clothes, but is interrupted before she can get dressed by Antoinette, who bitches her out for abandoning them with a bandit on the wall; but stops upon noticing the wounds Franze has from the battle. Antoinette insists on healing them, while Franze emphatically refuses. Franze uses her superior strength to dress herself with one hand, while keeping the elf pinned to a wall with the other.

>AntoinetteLike.jpeg

>Branwen and Kyras discuss how to hold the Bandit leader, who they left alive, and then turn to rationalizing their actions.

>>53188575
>>53188560
>>53188546
>>53188542
>>53188536
>>53188503
>>53188502
>>53188483
http://www.strawpoll.me/12945772

>>53188627
You can talk all day about villainy and savagery, but it's realizing that you had to teach your new friend a harsh lesson about warfare that makes you feel like a REAL heel.

>>53188638
That's... Not as easy as I thought it was.

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>>53188660
>>53188627
* Andrik...
* In this world, it's kill or be killed!

>>53188627
>Franze uses her superior strength to dress herself with one hand, while keeping the elf pinned to a wall with the other.

It's just like my Manchurian stonecuttings!

>>53188638
GONZO WHERE?

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>>53188627
>Disgusted with the senseless slaughter, ashamed of the life he took, but out-voted, Andrik promises to bury the dead. An endeavor Viviana joins, more to keep the boy from being alone than because she believes they deserve a burial.

You're gonna carry that weight, boy.

>>53188627
>Andrik is rightfully upset about something so horrible
>All these Evil chucklefucks are all nonchalant and shit, and start rifling through the deads' possessions and schmoozing shortly after the butchery

Yeah, he's going to be the real Big Bad. I can see it now. To purify the land and cleanse it of the profane influence of his vile former comrades, he will go to any lengths!

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>>53188627
REEEEAL FLESH.

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5014057/chargen

Trouser Snake Chargen has been updated with various rulings on stuff

How's PLD going? Has Temera joined the group yet?

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Who'll be the BBEG of your first Starfinder game?

>>53188835
Who knows? I don't.

>>53187701
Hey Buildbro, could you elaborate on the order for feats/spells to take in this?

Cutlass as starting weapon as well? Any particular reason for it over any other crit range weapon?

>>53188733
Why, is she resting her breasts on his head while he's working?

>>53188835
The Solarian Conqueror-Queen and her power armoured Knight-Consort.

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>>53188835
Well that partly depends on what ship rules are available

Only about an hour and 20 left until Overlewd!

>>53188850
That's impossible. He's 6'7". No one can rest anything on his head.

>>53188948
>>53188850
>she
I think you're thinking of the wrong person. Somebody else is going to be laying something heavy across his head--a long, thick sword. Stupidly long and thick, in fact.

>>53188835
A CEO!

>>53188948
She could boob-hat him when he's digging the graves, you know!

>>53188974
But she's too busy using them to smother the bandit leader until he talks.

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>>53188987
Viviana went with Andrik, not Branwen.

>>53188997
But wait, since when does Viviana have a rack big enough to boob-hat someone?

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>>53188997
>Viviana
>Having boobs big enough to boob-hat anyone

>>53188997
True. It's the Abyss Knight giving the young lady a boob-parking spot.

>>53188958
Andras is Love

>>53188785
Facing Sigmund's killer.
He shoots Gloriana with Sigmund's rifle and crits.
Does more damage than Sigmund ever did in one shot.

The mental wounds hurt more though

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>>53188759
>To purify the land and cleanse it of the profane influence of his vile former comrades, he will go to any lengths!

This sounds like anime.

>>53189099
Press F to Pay Respects

>>53189110
Yeah. Y'know what'd be even more anime? A dramatic final confrontation with the man he once thought of as his sworn ally!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzCXb3AaSp8

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Y'all niggas are thirsty as fuck.
Developed and cool characters Over sexualized characters

Any
Day
Of
The
Week

>>53188785
Not as her character no, but she's in the fray

>>53189137

I'm partial to this, myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0

>>53189157
How's that work?

>>53189144
Por que no las dos?

>>53189144
Green text can tell us how sexy someone is but it'll never show us the nuances of their roleplaying.

>>53189144

PFG has too many turbo thirsty hard subs. Don't see the appeal at all, they'll never know the joy of a well developed relationship blossoming into a physically intimidate one. They'll never know the satisfaction of teasing.

Are subs utter scum pfg? Do no work, just have hard working doms come up with elaborate scenarios for them to enjoy. The ultimate in instant gratification, their media addled minds can't understand anything but having their whims met instantly.

>>53189144
I agree with you, but hot damn...I love me some thicc bitches.

>>53189162
>>53189137
Their duel should be at the start of winter.
>Hey look, Sir Andrik...
>Here comes the snow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjwXI0n5-I

>>53189192
Oh fuck and Kyras even has one red arm.
This works so well it's scary.

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>>53189186
>physically intimidate

THROG THINK YOU HAVE NICE, PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE, CHARACTERISTICS.

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>>53189144
>Developed and cool characters Over sexualized characters
There is literally nothing wrong with boob-hatting, it's often played for laughs and can even be something you see in a completely conventional campaign. The rest of the posts seem to be honest hype at character interactions.

>>53189176
Has control of one of the NPCs

>>53189211

Another NE dick delivery system! I rate this app, 0/10!

>>53189220
That and boobhatting isn't even implied by the greentexts.
But imply that there's a female character ANYWHERE in the campaign setting, and she's automatically in a hentai rag.

>>53189144
Why not both? My current party met a cute sorceress on their journeys and dragged her along, she's been slowly opening up to them about her past while also sleeping with the ranger. Characters can have short skirts and interesting personalities, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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>>53189220
Who has the best boob hats? Is it Elsbeth?

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>>53189211
THROG HAS BROUGHT CORPSES OF COLOUR GRASS AS GESTURE OF ROMANTIC INTENT!

THROG WONDERS IF YOU RECIPROCATE THROG'S DESIRE FOR PHYSICAL INTIMACY!

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>>53189251

>>53189251
There is more to boobhatting than large breasts, you need to be smug and overly confident in your figure!

I'm a Magus in an all-melee party, what are some good ranged spells for backup? Is magic missile okay to get a flying douchebag or a distant threat off my back?

>>53189110
I'd watch it

>>53189305
What spell level?

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>>53189299
>implying

>>53189344
6 or 7, i'm finding out next session

>>53189344
>>53189354
oh whoops, i didn't read SPELL level

level 6 or 7 is my character so maximum level 2-3

>>53189221
Is it a cute NPC?

>>53189365
At 3rd fireball is the tried and true classic. Scorching Ray will be up your alley too at level 2.

>>53189372
No, it's one of the dudes working for the Martels, Gloriana was REALLY convincing that it's the nobles doing the evil magic

There'll probably maybe be an actual greentext

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>>53189110

Does the knight get a cute lil squire who's actually a dragon in disguise?

>>53189365
Scorching Ray, Ray of Enfeeblement, Blind/Deafen, Molten Orb, Gloomblind Bolts, Silver Darts, and Major Image or Audio-Visual Hallucination are all good ranged spells to fuck with enemies.

>>53189407
i'll check them out and have them ready just in case, thanks anon

Is Decapitate a useless spell?

>>53189454
When the spell Explode Head exists?

Probably.

>>53189454
You mean decollate? No. It is great for faking deaths and executions, and fighting balors who have 4+ vorpal attacks a round.

Trouser Serpent is up to 19 apps in four days.

Which are your favorites so far?

Link is here: https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/5014066/applications

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What traits, physical and personality, would you expect to see in a "stereotypical shapeshifter"? Do you think the "so lost in all the forms they start to lose track of who they really are" or the "cunning social manipulator who effortlessly flows between disguises" is more lame?

Also, should true forms be hideous and monstrous or something unexpectedly beautiful?

>>53189480
>>53189491
Found it. It's really situational.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/decapitate/

>>53189526
Oh, it's for Kensai critfishing magus. No one else would have a use for it,.

>>53189245
They are here though.

>>53189522
I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't both a manipulative sociopath and hedonist.

They're basically all CEOs

>>53189672
So what should a cheerful, genuinely nice shapeshifter be like? Would it just be creepy, you think?

>>53189522
I like to make one as a tinkerer/ultimate boy scout. To him, its important to always have the right tool for the job, so he takes a utilitarian approach to his own body, and uses his adaptive powers to always have the right solution whether it be combat, infiltration, or movement.

As for the true form, I'm a fan of their true forms being wuite dull and plain, but with a great creativity underneath.

Another style you can go for is making one that's a kind of artist/expressionist. To them, their own body is the perfect clay and canvas to express themselves and their emotions, so they take seek to develop that skill to maximise their creative expressiveness,

>>53189736

Constantly making little changes in hopes of being more like you want them to be, and feeling increasingly confused and sad when it doesn't work.

>>53189747
A shapeshifter that takes a purely utilitarian approach to their own body is pretty much the opposite of the typical hedonist, but to be honest... it sounds bland and uninteresting. Some kind of artist though, that's a neat idea. Sounds like a confident and charismatic person who knows they can rock any look, and likes to wear a different face every day just to keep things interesting. I'd say they should have a "live every day like it's your last" approach but that veers too close to hedonism stereotypes.

>>53189186

Relationships are hard.

People on /pfg/ don't want to play a relationship. They just want their smut and then move on like it barely happened.

It's almost as if they all got their start on F-List....oh wait, most of them did. Especially the hardsubs and turbosluts.


I'm into lewd play. But I'm all about the stuff that happens leading up to sex and afterwards. The act itself isn't that exciting to me. I adore relationship stuff in many forms, and exploring character's motivations and emotions.

I really don't like the current erotic meta of /pfg/: "Monstergirls and furries and fetishes and hooking up, oh my!"

I mean I get it. It's hard to do an adventure with that kind of dynamic, and it involves deep roleplay between PCs or a PC and NPC. But that's where I find my fun in the realm of the erotic. It's not about dominating a woman and getting your rocks off for me: It's about exploring the dynamics of a willfully unbalanced relationship.

>>53189786
A sad and lonely shapeshifter that just wants to be somebody's friend?

>>53189830

Same thing-hard to tell the difference with skilled shapeshifters.

>>53189807
Is /pfg/ devoid of doms?

>>53189851
Ahahaha
No.

>>53189851
Yes.

I want XS to come back and play.

>>53189830
Go home, Rory.

>>53189851
Vult is here

>>53189851

It's easier to get into a game with a female character. Do the math.

I can deal with anime pictures, but the outright Japanese apps are weirding me out.

>>53189883
Fuck off Rory

>>53189891
Women can dominate the shit out of people.

>>53189897
What do you mean by that?

>>53189851

No.

It's just that I don't really make characters who are intended to have 'dominant' as part of their main draw because I don't really apply to erotic games since I'm aware most people's tastes in play won't intersect with mine.

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>>53189522
>>53189736

A Kid who just wants to be helpful, and has th skills to do it

>>53189939

Woman doms are shit, they're almost always automatically the same tier as tryhard male doms.

>>53189851
Nah, there's plenty of doms.

It's just you never see them because that shit shouldn't come up outside of the bedroom.

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>>53189970
>tfw no switch-dom girls with beastly sex drives who have mostly happy vanilla sex

>>53189970
t. voice of inexperience.

>>53190061
Got an Exhentai link for that, comrade?

>>53190061
What's your ideal Switch to Dom ratio on that? Because I think I inadvertently made one of those.

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>>53189807
For what it's worth, it sounds like Casimir and Valeriya are really taking their time to develop their relationship, same with Onryou and Seht.

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>>53190091
>"develop" their "relationship"
Sure, anon. Sure.

>>53189807
Honestly, ERP itself is weird and awkward as fuck. It's not really that fun most of the time, and I'd be way more into things if it was just trying to let a relationship develop naturally rather than immediately jumping to having thing #1 smashed against thing #2. Maybe you can have some fun development by skipping a step, but for fuck's sake if I wanted to do that I'd be playing a bard.

>>53190091

>Onryou and seht

After watching them interact for a while... Onryou X Aranha seems more likely.

>>53190131
Life is dull without the blessing of sensation!

>>53190145
God dammit anon, he's not suggesting you spend the entire campaign holding hands, or the only thing you ever seem to do is kiss.

He's saying you shouldn't just go from introductions to bending the girl over in under three sessions. Even if the girl's a shameless slut and the guy's all over that, you should expect at least one or two sessions of flirting before an opportunity to sneak off presents itself.

Anyone who's actually trying to give a damn about laying the foundation for a long-lasting relationship should keep things clothed and chaste until at least halfway through the first "book" (so the first 2-3 levels from campaign start) and even then, sex itself should only happen at the end of the book or the start of the second.

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>Player is seperated from the party
>Has to sit out as they go try and rescue him
>I (dm) plan an exciting re-entry for them
>They fall asleep before they come back in
>Session stops an hour early because I didn't realize they were asleep

>>53190183
Quinn and twins spent six sessions just holding hands and comfy touching, they're the new bar for pure /pfg/ relationships.

>>53190183
What about characters that aren't laying a foundation for anything? Characters of a less-than-scrupulous bent?

>>53190183
aaaaaa i want an unrequited love

But I'm also super game for a romance that doesn't have any resolution until the very end of a campaign, that's cool too.

>>53190212
I want to snuggle both players at once!

>>53190183

Meanwhile, Cent had at least two pregame sessions with their rape corruption impregnation fetish character for Overlewd before THE GAME'S EVEN BEGUN according to what they said yesterday.

>>53189851
If by "dominant" you mean "dangerously nihilistic" then yes!

Hit the creature with a pipe while sobbing and reciting bible verses. It's that easy!

>>53190242
>aaaaaa i want an unrequited love

Every. Single. Time. Anon, I already told you, I love you.

You're good. There's unrequited love. Please stop ignoring me! It's breaking my heart...

>>53190208
I want to find a sleepy player and lay an extra blanket over them so they don't get too cold!

>>53190263
>Hit the creature with a pipe while sobbing and reciting bible verses.

Is this Bioshock?

>>53190226
>What about characters that aren't laying a foundation for anything?

See what I said before about just that scenario.
>Even if the girl's a shameless slut and the guy's all over that, you should expect at least one or two sessions of flirting before an opportunity to sneak off presents itself

A foundation for casual sex is still a foundation. Flirting, innuendo, even stuff like reciprocated touching and rubbing and sexually-charged moments are useful. Don't just scurry off to a private channel and do the dirty without suggesting in the IC that the character is interested in the dirty in the first place.

>>53190077
No, but it's just Comic Kairakuten Beast who are just all about thirsty girls.

Hey everyone.

How is your evening going?

>>53190307
So as long as it was suggested and the necessary flirtation occurred, you're golden?

>>53190328
Horribly. I've only PMed three people so far, too busy working on some things. I'll fix that before the night is through, though!

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>>53190344

JUST END IT.

>>53190290
If it's a brass opium pipe, count me in.

>>53190330
Pretty much! A good gauge for doing it "right" is if the rest of the party can tell they're going off to have sex, or they clearly are or are very soon to become an item.

>>53190384
Would that fall into the trap of dwelling in that kind of content and soft railroading the IC conduct of others into acknowledge the pre-relationship and subsequent relationship? Isn't that a cardinal sin too?

>>53190365
Sorry, Anon, I'm editing smut right now. Maybe I'll PM you later. What are you interested in?

>>53190384
>>53190307
How overt does the flirting have to be? I feel that it might be a problem if I change my character too much just to make it clear that I have an interest in someone.

>>53189496
Priscilla is GOAT waifu and the shipping memes better be dank.

>>53190444

Awkward, unsatisfying intimacy as a means toward showing trust and affection.

>>53190460
Huh, that's certainly unique! Post some contact info; odd things make the best practice because they take us away from our comfort zones and challenge us to think outside the box.

>>53190455
There's a /fitlit/ single dad being submitted

>>53190444
>What are you interested in?
gangrape, forced prostitution, drugs, scat, body mutilation

>>53189496
Lord Cornelius has best jungle vibes going. But I am also a fan of kobolds.

>>53189496
I'm rooting for mostly male apps at this point.

I'm setting myself up for large amounts of disappointment.

What the fuck is pfg's discord?

>>53190494
>scat[/spoiler
If I wasn't a meme, I'd be coming for that booty

>>53190518
>I'm rooting for mostly male apps at this point.

Which ones?

>>53190454
>How overt does the flirting have to be?

Enough that the players make quips in the OOC about their compatibility, or react to the flirting in such a way that says, "Yeah, he/she's clearly into them."

Shit, son, this isn't rocket surgery. It's just compliments with a distinct romantic angle, like saying a man's got a solid arm or a woman's smile could light up the room. Flirting does not equal a true interest, but if you keep making them and try to hang out around that character than yeah, it should be fairly obvious you wanna bone.

Hell, if your character's a bit more shameless you can get even more overt than that.

>>53190530

https://discord.gg/HPbXj

>>53190580
>Enough that the players make quips in the OOC about their compatibility
This seems like a poor thing to recommend when it's such common practice that everyone in every group makes jokes about shipping based on memes.

If we used that as a benchmark, I'd be fucking the only other guy on the team.

>>53190494
Hmm...a few of those could be interesting. Post some contact info, and we'll see!

>>53190608
I don't see how you could resist. He's so dreamy~

>>53190428
>Would that fall into the trap of dwelling in that kind of content and soft railroading the IC conduct of others into acknowledge the pre-relationship and subsequent relationship?

I... Don't know what you're asking here? If you're trying to start a relationship with someone than of course people are going to react to it, half the fun in starting these things is seeing the reactions and how it alters or enhances party dynamics.

>dwelling in that kind of content

It's like, maybe two or three lines of dialogue exchanged by PCs with an overtly romantic or sexual angle to it, that's maybe 10-15 minutes out of a session, and by the time the relationship or fling is "established" you don't even NEED to have the dialogue, it can all be done in PMs or mentioned off-hand how they wander off to get frisky or a billion other things.

>>53190638
>he doesn't know
>REEEEEE MY SHITHEAD FELLOW PLAYERS KEEP FORCING THEIR SICK FUCKING ERP SHIT DOWN MY THROAT REEEEEE
>FUCKING HANDHOLDING PIECE OF SHIT FUCK

It's like you've never been here before. People will complain about ANYTHING.

>>53190608
>This seems like a poor thing to recommend when it's such common practice that everyone in every group makes jokes about shipping based on memes.

You're a human bean, I'm a human bean, we should both be able to recognize the difference between a joke ship and a serious ship. There's a huge difference between, "Hah, they want to compare swords" and "ah they're going to fuck!"

>>53190638

This.

When Vult gives more pretext than the average ERP in a lewdgame, you know something's wrong.

>>53190608
Teach them a lesson by fucking him, hard!

>>53190549
Cornelius, Gaius, Aurelion, mine.

Of the females, I like the kobold witch and Sapera.

I like some others but don't like the idea of them going on an indiana jones adventure. That's what is drawing me to the males. Cornelius is an english big game hunter, Gaius is a scholarly duelist looking for his tribal waifu and Aurelion is begging to be let in as one of the few actual natives among the apps.

>>53190608
Which group, I wanna get my /y/ ship on.

>>53190705
Give me the shitpost summary of your opinions on as many apps as you can be assed to think about.

>>53190693
hey man, Vult's fetish is immersion as much as anything.

The lewd logs cut off all the setting context that he and the players have

>>53190602
>https://discord.gg/HPbXj
ty

>>53190777

It's a shame he has to use his powers of autism for evil instead of good.

I can't bear to play with him if he runs something NOT terrible now.

>>53190705
Yeah, a couple are perfectly related to the jungle, specifically the witchdoctor, the catboy, the native, and the treasure/big game hunter. The asians seem kind of out of place since most are not even asian treasure hunters.

>>53190760
In time, I might.
Gotta finish up mine first, thinking of ways to make him more interesting in case DM decides to go three waifus one guy.

The problem is that I'm probably a bit to focused on this being like a schmulzy 1920's-40's adventure serial with a lewd twist.

So, /pfg/: the cost formula for potions and wands is patently absurd and becomes increasingly absurd at higher levels. What is a saner formula that more closely reflects the usefulness of finite-use magic items?

Also, is there any reason not to abolish the arbitrary cap on spell levels for potions and wands?

>>53190923
>finite use
>50 charges
>make casters even MORE powerful
Fuck off.

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Well, the party thus far for Together We Rise features:
-Dhamphir VMC Fighter/cleric (Fext)
-Human Soundstriker Bard (Vamire Spawn)
-Elf Wizard (Morgh)

>>53190923

Wands are REALLY efficient at low levels. Not sure they need a fix.

Potions? Just give them double uses(or more!) and they become infinitely more attractive.

>>53190923
Its actually very even for wands and I like it like that. Typically because high level wands are expensive because high level spells are expensive and powerful.

For potions, consider crafting one of the multi-use potion items. One off the top of my head is the flask of infinite sake which lets you use potions too.

>>53190945
>only casters can use wands
>Use Magic Device doesn't exist
>only casters can use potions
>how the fuck do potions work?

>>53190923
It's not arbitrary, it gives scrolls a reason to exist.

Anyway, you'll never pin a cost on a consumable item that feels appropriate. No matter how little it cost, it will feel like a waste of money after it's used UNLESS in using it you recouped at least as much as it cost to acquire, gaining something you otherwise wouldn't have.

So, find a way to make them less consumable, in other words. Perhaps you just want to make a "spit the potion back into the bottle" feat? Another option? Make it so potions have an automatically scaling caster level. The more powerful the drinker already is, the better their body draws out the liquid's magical effects. Have potions work at a caster level equal to the imbiber's HD. Now they have an interesting niche, one that makes them stand out compared to scrolls more than just "no UMD needed!"

Also I don't think you need to fuck with wands much.

>>53190760
Not him but
>Cornelius
Great for this campaign, but not really my thing otherwise.
>Rekannas
Cool dude but pretty unexciting
>Raimi
Love me some tengu, and looks like a fun character to have around
>Caleni
I liked her at first but the writer cute-shilled her so damn much on the discord I have a bad taste about her.
>Aurelian
Well written but pretty boring
>Krim
That's a penis
>Param
Retarded Weeboo. Would play with.
>Priscilla
mcwaifu, but the best written one I've ever seen.

Haven't read the rest.

>>53190923
Wands are stupidly good, what are you on about?

Potions could use a buff, but probably not in the way you'd think. I'd like to see some more exotic potions that do things magic can't do (which isn't much but still).

Poisons and Construct Crafting need buffs too.

>>53190976
>MAKE CASTERS INFINITELY MORE POWERFUL
>good idea
Pick one.

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>>53191036
>It's not arbitrary, it gives scrolls a reason to exist.

>>53190923
Consider staves since they regenerate.

Level 4 Avowed, sniper type build, vs 3 CR 3s, fight starts at range

Even odds?

>>53190953
Got room for a holy/unholy gunner?

I'm not entirely sure how the whole god thing works out, going from good to evil to possibly back to good.

>>53191036
How exactly is buffing wands and potions, both of which can be used by non-casters (yeah okay you need UMD to trigger a wand, point stands), a buff to casters that makes them "infinitely" more powerful than non casters?

Surely, this should be a global increase in power(thus no relative increase), and a buff in utility to non-casters? A rising tide lifts all ships.

>>53190953
Could you link? I would like to apply. What days is it running?

>>53191042
Go on, explain it. How am I wrong? What would the point of scrolls, a magic consumable that requires UMD to use, doesn't allow you to set the caster level or save DC, and is more expensive than a wand per individual charge, be if not for the fact that they can reach into higher spell levels than anything else? True, they're more cheaper than potions. But that's because potions are overpriced, and really should be knocked down to something more reasonable.

Are there too much STR based punchgirls? If there are, I'll make a cuddly punchguy.

>>53190923
Replace all wands with Eternal Wands.
Replace all potions with some sort of Eternal Potion that has 1 use per day.
Do the same for all other consumables.

>>53191088
>>53191144
Apps go here
https://app.roll20.net/private_message/m/2113902/intro-app/#message-2113954

>>53186889
Tell me more.

Is there any way, other than the Filcher rogue archetype, to get the ability to use Sleight of Hand for steal combat maneuvers?

>>53190923
Replace all wands with 5e wands. Have potions be magical bottles that can be refilled by spending the appropriate spell slot.

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I'm about ready to ban any of my players from using PCGen ever again. Husband and wife pair bring me their starting character sheets, 4th level.

One is a Barbarian Librarian with a big +1 book that deals 2d6 damage per swing, three books of returning that deal various elements of damage, and a +2 armor that can store a spell, using Vampiric Touch as the stored spell. Oh, and he somehow has STR, DEX, and CON of at least 20, and a CHA of 3.

The other gives me a catfolk Rogue with two +1 sickles that also do +1d6 Fire or Frost Damage, and Elven Chain.

And this is supposed to be 4th level. After seeing how they gamed PCGen to make this a reality, I gave a hard no and told them both to try again with the proper amount of funds.

And that's not even going into how this Barbarian isn't acting like a Barbarian at all.

>>53191345
>After seeing how they gamed PCGen

The fuck are you even talking about? All having a character generator app does it make it easier to keep track of things. They could just build the same characters by hand.

Also,

>2d6 is a lot of damage

lol

>>53191187
If high-level wads would intrude upon the gameplay niche of scrolls, why do low-level scrolls currently have a reason to exist alongside low-level wands?

Are you saying that wands should not exist, or that scrolls should not exit? I'm not sure you can make an argument about "reasons to exist" that demonstrates why both should occupy the same design space only not really.

>>53191344
>>53191265
Why not use staves?

>>53191281
Ah, here. nvm
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76914/together-we-rise

>>53191345
how the fuck

>>53191383
I mean that Barb has way more enhanced items than he should, but you are right. I think the big problem is those ability scores.

>>53191393
>tfw wish wand is 1364750gp

>>53191414
So they cheated. You can cheat on paper too, man. This is exactly the same shit as writing items you couldn't afford into your inventory line on your character sheet.

>>53191383
>The fuck are you even talking about?

They somehow made those items cost less than 6k gold, that's what I'm talking about. I still can't figure out how they did it. If nothing else, I'm not letting anyone make a character for my campaigns in a vacuum ever again.

>2d6 isn't a lot of damage

No, but 2d6+20 at 4th level certainly is.

>>53191345
That barbarian is amazing. Keep it up.

>>53191445
Did you give them actual chargen rules? Because no sane person with actual chargen rules should be pulling that shit.

>>53191414
What rules did you set for ability scores?

>>53191345
>>53191445
>>53191414
>my players cheated and they're too strong
>what do I do?
Not let them cheat retard

>>53191458
I'm fine with having Conan the Librarian in Gnome form, but when you start acting way too lawful to be considered a Barbarian, I've got half a mind to declare him a Fighter instead that gets really mad about people staying quiet around books.

>>53191393
Scrolls fill the niche of high level spells. Wands fill the niche of cheapest-per-charge. It would be weird flavor is scrolls were limited to something like "fifth level and up" though, so they still exist for low level spells.

Besides that, scrolls do have one other advantage over wands, even for low level spells, now that I think about it- they're faster to craft.

Normally the minimum time needed to craft a magic item is a day's worth of crafting time (four hours, eight hours, I don't really recall) but scrolls costing less than 250 GP can be crafted in 2 hours.

>>53191467
25 point buy, 6k gold, nonevil alignments preferred but can be discussed based on what you come up with.

>>53191506
>Scrolls fill the niche of high level spells. Wands fill the niche of cheapest-per-charge. It would be weird flavor is scrolls were limited to something like "fifth level and up" though, so they still exist for low level spells.
So you're saying that low-level scrolls exist even though there's no useful gameplay niche for them?

Is this different to the way in which high-level scrolls might exist, alongside high-level wands, even though there is no useful gameplay niche for them?

>>53191542
Oh. So they fucking cheated. Slap them upside the head and tell them to stop sucking so much dick.

>>53191445
>Made the items cost less than 6k gold
The armor alone makes that impossible, +2 and spell storing?

They are bold faced lying to you, anon. Even crafting that would cost 4500 gold assuming best price. Each of those returning books would run 1000. That's 8500 just for that while also assuming he could find someone who could craft it and not charge him a work fee.

>>53191345
Where in the world would they find weapon stats for a big book?

Is that something that exists within the game or did they just make it up?

>>53191549
No, I said they exist because if they didn't it would be difficult to justify from a fluff perspective- the same doesn't work in the opposite direction for wands, it's easy to say that particularly powerful magic can't easily be contained in bulk with a fragile stick. And you're also ignoring my other point about faster crafting. As minor a benefit as it may be, it is still a benefit.

>>53191144
The plan is for it to run on Friday nights

>>53191582
Apparently he modified a Greatsword. I pointed him to the Greatclub instead after unfucking his stats.

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>>53191445
>2d6+20 at 4th level
>a lot

You don't even know how this game works, do you?

1st-level half-orc barbarian, Str 20, plain greataxe, Power Attack, and Rage is 1d12+13 damage. At first level.

Bump that to 4th level, add a +1 greataxe and the Animal Fury rage power, and the barbarian is attacking for 1d12+17 damage with his axe and 1d4+16 damage with his bite every round.

This is literally the simplest combat build in the entire game.

>>53191445
They blatantly cheated, that or ask them what the fuck happened. Also 3 CHA is literally subhuman.

>>53191601
I'd give him an improvised weapon penalty on that, or make him take Exotic Weapon Proficiency at the very least.

>>53191588
>No, I said they exist because if they didn't it would be difficult to justify from a fluff perspective- the same doesn't work in the opposite direction for wands, it's easy to say that particularly powerful magic can't easily be contained in bulk with a fragile stick.
From a fluff perspective? You can justify anything you want from a fluff perspective. We're talking about literal magic here; this is a weak argument.

>And you're also ignoring my other point about faster crafting. As minor a benefit as it may be, it is still a benefit.
Yes I am, but the reason I'm ignoring it is because it helps my case more than it helps yours and thus is not relevant to our disagreement.

>>53191631
>"You want to use interesting fluff? Fuck you, take a penalty"

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>>53191609
1. Gnome, not Half-Orc

2. Abuse/Ignorance of point buy rules

>implying everyone uses the optimized builds
>mfw

>>53191582
>>53191601
The holybook or living grimoire inquisitor gets a book as a weapon with stats. Maybe use that.

>>53191611
A head of cabbage or ooze has that much charisma (unless its one of those sorcerer oozes)

>>53191394
Because muggles can't drink staves.

>>53191646
It's a book. A book is not a real weapon. You don't get combat training to fight with a book. There are no book fighting classes.

I think it would be cool to fight with a piece of furniture but I don't ask my DM to houserule impractical shit for me just because I think it might be fun. It's an improvised weapon.

So how do I go about making a waifubot golem?

>>53191718
Wait for the new golem maker book to come out in like...July?