>"Why do people constantly shout "fire" when

>>53182361
We've had this thread before

The answer is who cares

>>53182361
What if they're fire arrows?
Is it then appropriate to say "Fire!"?

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maybe

>>53182361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzONBHJYeo

>>53182361
Yes, he's correct. But I would like to mention two points.
1. It's a necessary anachronism, used so modern audiences understand what you're talking about and what's going on. Clarity of information trumps historical accuracy.
2. Immersion is no one's responsibility but your own. If you're so much of an autist that little things like that immediately shatter all credibility of a piece of media, then that's on you.

I've read a couple of books where the order given is "Loose!", which is the appropriate terminology but lacks some of the oomph.

>>53182361
Saying that something ruins immersion is the same as admitting that you are incapable of being immersed on your own and require others to maintain your immersion for you.

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>>53182361
>"Why do people constantly shout "autist" when you're pointing out painfully dumb and obvious facts? What does "autist" mean to a youtube commentor? He would probably think there's an actual someone somewhere calling for him and would try to shush it away with a bucket of sand. The word autist belongs to the age of the finno-korean hyperwar, the youtube comenters were using derogatives, not non-ableist words. The correct words to use are special needs, superpowered or indigo kid. So stop shouting autism, it's really annoying and ruins my tendies."

Is he correct /tg/?

>>53182361
Let's play a game called "Find the Real Topic" it's one we've done hundreds of times before.

The goal is to discuss the bait subject we hate and cannot ignore because muh autism until someone manages to shift the direction of the conversation entirely.

>>53182552
>Shout fire
>My trusty arrowmen set their arrows on fire and fire upon the enemy wooden assault vehicles

What is the best system to command large-ish swathes of armies? I'd like to have the PCs be basically warhammer heroes leading regiment(s) and all that, I feel warhammer/tabletop games are too simple for players and don't offer a lot of personalization.

>>53182429
>Hiding thread will make it disappear
And closing your eyes will make you invisible, right?

reminder that Lindybeige claims:

>no one used swords, axes
>no one used horses
>no one used throwing knives
>no one used double strap arm shields
>no one used scythes
>no one used mail coifs
>no one used torches
>Pikemen didn't fight each other
>no one spoke French during the French revolution
>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
>battle of Zama didn't happen
>Romans carried one pilum
>Vikings weren't real
>berserkers weren't real
>climate change isn't real
>stagnant social mobility isn't real
>castles were defended by three soldiers
>butted mail is better than riveted mail
>operation market garden was a success
>Napoleon was literally Hitler
>The Churchill was the best tank in WWII
>The English won the Hundreds Years' War
>british naval guns on Malta could lanuch projectiles into space

>>53182508
It's a two way street. You need a certain suspension of disbelief, but the creator need authenticity or it will be hard to immerse yourself

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>>53182361
>Is he correct /tg/?

Yes, he is. I honestly think that Lindybeige should be compulsory studying material for people who are interested in D&D and fantasy/historical roleplay in general.

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MODS, DO YOUR JOB.

>>53182823
>Pikemen didn't fight each other
As a Spaniard this makes me angrier than it should.

>>53182936
As bad example you mean, right?

>>53182421
>fire arrows
he's got something to say about that too, dude...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTd_0FRAwOQ

>>53182943
Saludos compañero rolero

>>53182942
>being this butthurt about a thread

>>53182976
¿GURPS: Alatriste cuando?

>>53182988
Lindybeige is almost exclusively posted for bait or for people to circlejerk about how much of an idiot he is

>>53183036
Hay reglas caseras por internet. Pero oficial no creo que llegue jamás...

>>53182588
Song of Fire and Ice tabletop does this rather well.

>>53183082
Se que hay un systema de alatriste,
aun que no lo he mirado y me estoy metiendo en gurps, un gurps alatriste seria low tech y poco mas.

>>53182588
>the camp has been set ablaze by enemy saboteurs
>shout fire to alert the troops that the camp is burning and have men try and douse the flames
>my archers set fire to their arrows instead

Your system doesn't work.

>>53183176
>having archers this fucking stupid
maybe you should invest a few more copper pieces a day to get people who are not retarded anon?

>>53182936
>compulsory studying material for people who are interested in D&D and fantasy/historical roleplay
for D&D? yes. for other fantasy roleplay? god, no.

>>53183042
prove it

>>53183134
Hay un homebrew ya hecho en gurps, pero no lo he probado. Yo hace años que no juego GURPS a ver cuando reúno un grupo estable...

>>53183259
Senpai, jugas online?

O en barna?

>>53183269
estoy buscando piso en barna de hecho

>>53182535

Fuck off retard.

>>53183312
haha estas jodido, vivo solo a 600e en un buen piso, pero es chungo, tienes discord?

>>53183240
No.

>>53182823
What? Half of those are clearly untrue and the other half are insane and would never be said by a real person. Are you just taking his words to the absurd or are these real things he said?

>>53183341
ese es mi presupuesto para alquiler y busco para ir solo, estoy buscando en hospitalet ahora porque los precios son más bajos y llega el metro. No tengo discord (diría) y estoy desde el teléfono hasta el sábado por la tarde...

>>53183394
fuck, kik o algo por el estilo?

Also busca pisos antiguos en lugares tipo sarria,
etc... donde hay caserones hyper viejos vas a tener que currarlo un poco eso si.

>>53183380
A lot of it is out of context. For instance the scythes thing was the guy saying those grim reaper type scythes weren't used in war, instead scythes were converted into something closer to a spear like thing

>>53183380
Prove to me that he didn't say any of this

>>53183478
I'm not saying that. I've never listened to the guy, or maybe once, his face seems familiar somewhat. I'm just incredulous that someone who sells themselves as an expert on the subject of medieval warfare (I'm assuming that's why everyone is angry) would say such things.

>>53183417
¿ #6798 esto vale para discord?

>>53183528
Nombre includio senpai, no funciona sino.

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>>53182361
Friendly reminder that LondonBulgar is historically inaccurate himself and needs to be thrown in prison for it.

>>53182823
> >Napoleon was literally Hitler
You mean Napoleon wasn't a charismatic leader who managed to unite his country and perform successful fast strategic invasions, only to lose because he got involved in a land war in Russia?

>>53183553
melon-pan
me he hecho una cuenta de 0, no he conseguido recordar la otra

Why are British people so dumb and bad and bald?

>>53183612
Sent

>>53182447
people won't understand what's happening when the people in the movie say loose instead of fire.
Anon I know most people are stupid but they're ot that stupid.

>>53182361
>"Why do people constantly shout "fire" when they're using bows?
Who's doing this? Like, I don't think I can recall any piece of media where this happens that isn't an objectively bad piece of media. In fact I can't even recall any piece of media AT ALL that does this, even the shitty recent seasons of Game of Thrones always use the standard "Knock/Draw/Loose"

Fuck off lindy, you suck.

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>>53182823
you really need to pay better attention to his videos.
Or shut up and kill yourself

>>53183695
The Lord of the Rings movies did it. But those have plenty of problems anyway.

>>53182361
Who gives a shit what people say when they're firing arrows?

>>53183848
It breaks immersion

>>53182823
>>no one used swords, axes
yeah
>>no one used horses
not until the 1400s
>>no one used throwing knives
meme like the katana. oo much goldeneye I think
>>no one used double strap arm shields
nope
>>no one used scythes
except for grim reaper
>>no one used mail coifs
mail queefs more like
>>no one used torches
yep
>>Pikemen didn't fight each other
of course not
>>no one spoke French during the French revolution
nope it was english
>>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
nope it was classical
>>battle of Zama didn't happen
correct
>>Romans carried one pilum
yeah, look at their kit
>>Vikings weren't real
false they still exist today actually
>>berserkers weren't real
false
>>climate change isn't real
false
>>stagnant social mobility isn't real
mobility = mobile = movement. You mongo bastard
>>castles were defended by three soldiers
well 6, one for each corner and two in the middle
>>butted mail is better than riveted mail
yep. Try it. t. Mailman here
>>operation market garden was a success
yes
>>Napoleon was literally Hitler
not literally but yeah Hitler copypasted Napoleon as himself
>>The Churchill was the best tank in WWII
DUH
>>The English won the Hundreds Years' War
correct
>>british naval guns on Malta could lanuch projectiles into space
correct

Not difficult mong-bas. That means mongo-bastard and thats you

>>53182361
>In the past, when there were armies of casting wizards, when you wanted your wizards to all cast firebolt, you would say 'fire'.
>So then everyone else started to do it.
Done.

>>53182361
Why do people use modern English words when Old English is more appropriate? You shouldn't shoot somebody with your bow and arrow, you should telga ðâs wið êower flânboga nymðe str¯æl.

With that said, I do find "fire" to be particularly egregious, because it's so colorful and obvious where the term comes from. I don't make a fuss about it, but anytime somebody says that they fire their bow, it does sound distinctly wrong to me. It's sort of like if somebody talked about driving their horse around.

So in general, I think that folks should loosen up about anachronistic language, because none of it is going to be appropriate, but there are some things like firing bows that are obviously wrong and should be avoided when possible. Still, it's not as bad as when a lick lord sends a stone gollum into mealy combat against your skimitar-welding puh-laddin and you have to use your healing drought or fall comma-toes. Because that really sucks.

>>53182361
I would say he is wrong for the following reason.

Languages evolve over time. You can argue that historically, commanders never yelled fire like in movies. But then again they probably didn't say most of the other words from that movie either.

If you could bring back an actor in time to command a group of archers (assuming both are from the same nation), said actor would fail to order the archers to launch their arrows. Not because of the fire/loose confusion but because they would not have undertood a single word he said.

So yelling "fire!" Is ok because the actor is not speaking "ye old english" anyway. In modern english "fire" and "loose" are synonyms.

>>53183987
>muh high fantasy medieval settings with wizards n dragons n shiet
Not everyone plays in such shitty settings with no shred of realism whatsoever

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>>53184003
i like you.
i'll let you live.

>>53184003
>Languages evolve over time.
Yes good goy, don't preserve your language and culture, just speak a globalised bastardised form of English

>>53183606
Well, France was quite united already when he got in power, so no.
But mostly Napoleon was a much more classical conqueror with little racial or ideological motivations. Which is bad enough I guess, but still not Hitler.

>>53184157
That argument might have some merit were it a language other than English. But English has been bastardized since birth.

>>53184091
It's the bog standard for dee uhn dee, like it or not.
Personally, I long for the day of pointy hat burning. But people will sperg out if you can't fry your enemies with your mind, so we make do.

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>>53183650
FUCKING SPANYARDS

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>>53182361

>>53183478
>disprove my postive claim.
prove to me where he said any of these things.
you are the autist who makes and posts this copy pasta in every thread

Virtually all media that's set in medieval times is "translated" from old english/french/german etc in order to make it comprehensible to a modern audience. I can understand preferring the translation to be slightly more historically accurate just because you like it that way, but acting like saying "fire" is some egregious historical oversight is silly. It's like complaining that Stanley Kubrick is an idiot because he had the Romans in Spartacus speaking English.

>>53184157
>english
nigga you are saying this in middle english
>low english, celt, anglo-germanic
>high normand
Why do you think we say shit like BEEF
english is 90% loan words
or are you saying you are not a man but a VIR

>>53184157

There is literally nothing you can do to stop this. It's a fundamental law of nature that things change over time, language and culture not excepted.

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>>53182823
please stop making this thread. it's getting really boring

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>>53183977
>except for grim reaper
Pic related, you mong. People used scythes to fight, they just didn't use farming scythes.

>>53183924
Not unless you're autistic.

>>53182823
>no one used throwing knives
but he's right, they aren't a feasible weapon to use on a mobile target.
>50% of the time it lands pommel first
>40% of the time the blade is angled badly and does superficial damage at best

>>53184408
I do wish every modern hail caesar epic was performed in Latin though.

>>53182482
Isn't it 'nock, draw, loose'? Or is that made up too?

>>53184287
Good to see my work still getting use.

>>53184580
with english pronunciation? no thanks

>>53184512
1. isn't that just a pole arm
2. lyndie was examining a martial arts book that had agricultural scythes depicted.
the claim was common, agricultural scythes unmodified from the field would not be used in any European martial discipline.
3.
>mong
>other anon uses term mong
>this is a bait thread
hrrrrm

>>53184513
it's like /k/ and clips

>>53182823
>no one spoke French during the French revolution
>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
Wait, what?

>>53182361
Rule number one
>You do not answer Lindy threads.
Rule number two
>You DO NOT answer Lindy threads.
Rule number three
>YOU DO NOT ANSWER LINDY THREADS!!!

>>53184790
the claim was the intellectual elite of rome was in love with greece and the greek langauge.
with France he was saying that before the unification you had a lot of minor variations of the language and until the unification you had no true french language
this anon posts this shit in sound bites, sound bites suck, lyndie is an idiot but atleast hang him on his proper stupidity

>>53184871
>the claim was the intellectual elite of rome was in love with greece and the greek langauge.
This is a pretty stupid claim. Weebs are in love with Japan, but how many actually know and speak Japanese?

>>53182823
Let me guess : he's a britshit

>>53184871
>with France he was saying that before the unification you had a lot of minor variations of the language and until the unification you had no true french language
This is wrong, and was wrong since François Ier.

>>53182823
>climate change isn't real
>stagnant social mobility isn't real
So he throws idiotic modern-day politics in with his historical silliness? Link?
>>53184871
>>53184897
More importantly, how many EXCLUSIVELY speak Japanese? Because if he's claiming that they didn't speak Latin, that's different than saying they also spoke Greek.

>>53184897
From what i remember there is proof from what i remember that the roman aristocracy absorbed the intellectual tradition of Greece. most of it being in greek
he did say something mealy mouthed about it but no citations, i've got a class on the roman transitional period (ironically dealing with the absorption of Greece and punic wars) so i think i'll talk to my prof about it when i get a chance and update you on it

>>53184918
my point.
it's not Nobody spoke france but faux academic jargon

>>53184902
he is.
the teeth should be a dead give away.

>>53184966
>the teeth should be a dead give away.
His ugliness is enough. He just need a fat trashy gf and he's a walking stereotype.

>>53184959
>More importantly, how many EXCLUSIVELY speak Japanese? Because if he's claiming that they didn't speak Latin, that's different than saying they also spoke Greek.
i don't think that's really all that applicable
if it did become a snooty aristocractic way of differentiating themselves from the plebs they would likely do it just to stand out as the ubermench.
but like i also said, he didn't claim that.
it was some mealy mouth shit about, them preferring greek for the reasons i outlined above and being greekaboos

>>53183519
I'll clear this up. He didn't really say any of that. His video titles are pure troll bait click bait however.

>>53184959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZHnjDJpkVc
He's right on this instance, man made climate change is bullshit

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>>53185243
He actually said half of all that

pic related

>>53183693
Are you sure about that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

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>>53185263
try harder next time

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>>53185333
> Mfw

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>>53185420
>no argument whatsoever

>>53182361
Obviously they do it to confuse enemy spies.

>>53182823
>Horses
That was a clickbait title, and he says as much at the start of the video. The video was about the monumental task of raising/training horses to use in warfare, before it had ever been done.

I only watch LB once in a while, and haven't seen all of the relevant videos, but I'm pretty sure most of your other posts are similarly dishonest claims.

>>53184897
> This is a pretty stupid claim. Weebs are in love with Japan, but how many actually know and speak Japanese?
It's doesn't sound really off the mark.
Remember, the language of Russian nobility until, like, 19th century was actually French.

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>>53184709
>isn't that just a pole arm
Halberds, war scythes, pikes, and glaives are all polearms differentiated by the design of the striking head. Glaives have a outward curving blade, scythes have an inward curving blade.

lindybeige is right more often than not and makes sure to point out when he's just conjecturing.

...I don't get it. This thread is like, concentrated autism. Why does this guy trigger this board so much?

>>53182361
Asshat

>>53185716
I think it's because he's a better reflection of themselves.

>>53182447
>Clarity of information trumps historical accuracy.
False

>>53182508
Suspension of disbelief is entirely the responsibility of the creator, never the audience. If you ever have to willingly ignore something to force yourself to be immersed in a work, the work is in fact not immersive, and your standards are horrifyingly low.

>>53185716
Because /tg/ is predominantly inhabited by teenagers who not only think that coolness trumps realism, but are also in denial about it and so attempt to prove that their idea of coolness is in fact realistic by calling people who say otherwise retarded.

>>53186092
Lindy, honey, you need to find a better way of convincing yourself you're not an ignorant retard than by posting anonymously on 4chan about yourself.

>>53185627
They weren't french you dumbass. If anything, the Rurikid were Norse. They did speak French, however.

>>53186170
Can you read english ?
Are you retarded ?
Do you simply shut you brain off every time you see the word "French" ?

>>53182361
He's right in this regard, much like a broken clock is right twice a day.
Remember the old Lindybeige flowchart:

1. Is Lindybeige talking about classical or medieval warfare?
>No - He's wrong
>Yes - Go to 2

2. Is Lindybeige talking about Britain or the British?
>Yes - He's wrong
>No - Go to 3

3. Is Lindybeige talking about France or the French?
>Yes - He's wrong
>No - There's a 50% chance he's wrong

>>53184512
shut the fuck up you fat gay mongobastard. He >>53184709 answered for me

>>53185716
It's pretty much the same on /his/ and /k/. I guess it's because he has a very British accent so people think everything he says is concrete fact while he never claims that. Clickbaity titles and mild British bias are part of it too.

I mean we had threads were we argued about something Lindybeige never even said or mentioned.

>>53184918
>This is wrong, and was wrong since François Ier.
Ouiaboo here. François/Francis was important to the language in the sense that under him modern "French" arose as the dominant language in France. By which I mean that the French nobility and those educated in law moved away from using Latin and towards using French, which would eventually supplant Latin in international politics (to the point where even the Japanese learned it as part of their "Dutch learning"). This did not, however, mean that the majority of French actually spoke the Parisian dialect we know as French today. That would only happen in the 20th century, mostly because a republican France* needed to effectively "create" a French people. This is also why Macron's comments about there being no French culture is utter bullshit: if there is no French culture, there is no French Republic. There was even a saying during the Revolution which went more or less as follows
>Federalism and superstition speak low Breton, emigration and hatred of the Republic speaks German, the counterrevolution speaks Italian and fanaticism speaks Basque. Let's break these unfortunate and mistaken instruments...

*I'm going to consider Napoleonic France Republican, because if Augustus can get away with it then so can Napoleon damn it

>>53182361
He's right about certain things. He's bad at distinguishing between actual facts and his retarded dancing teacher fanfiction. Furthermore he's an absolute autistic piece of shit when losing an argument.

>>53183478
Fuck off.

>>53186416
>This did not, however, mean that the majority of French actually spoke the Parisian dialect we know as French today.
This is somehow implying that people can't be bilingual. A very anglo point of view if you ask me.

Protip : even basques spoke both french and basque before the revolution, as shown in the Cahier de Doléances sent to the Etats Généraux. Jacobins only forbade to speak the local dialects in schools, but everyone was speaking and learning french way before that.

>>53186509
>but everyone was speaking and learning french way before that.
Sauce on that? Out of curiosity.

>>53182361
"Knock, Draw, Release"

That is the partially historically recorded way.

Like many things Hollywood mass appeal has given the inaccuracy a wider reach and cemented a historical legacy no one is going to get rid of.

Moaning about it basically means you've got so much free time and are so bored you no longer recognize how wasteful you are being and are basically useless to society.

>>53186528
As I said, the Cahiers de Doléance are a good proof, Toqueville also mentions it in L'Ancien Régime et la Révolution. In a more anecdotal point of view, most old plaques found in medieval places are in french, albeit old, even in Savoie (which became french after Napoleon's defeat) or in Provence.

>>53182447
They used "Loose" in Braveheart. I'm sure people can understand.

>>53186509
People weren't. In 1880 only eight million of France's 40 million inhabitants spoke French as their first language, and French wasn't used at all in 53 of the 89 départements.

Historically, common people haven't been bilingual and have instead spoken their local language or dialect regardless of how their supposed rulers spoke.

>>53184157
>don't
FUCK YOU FOR USING CONTRACTIONS! YOU ARE MAKING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IMPURE AND VULGAR!

>>53186793
Source ?

>>53184157
Mælan Englisc, æwbreca.

>>53186793
That's not what he said trough. I can't find any source for your insane claim except an article from the telegraph (britshit tabloid, well-known for its french-bashing). Moreover, not speaking it as a first language doesn't mean not speaking it at all.

>>53184157
>just speak a globalised bastardised form of English
You mean... English? You know, with it being almost entirely made up of languages that don't have their origins in the British isles (Saxon, French, Latin, Greek)? If you want to see what language the Britons would be speaking without foreign influence, look no further than W*lsh.

>>53186947
>well-known for its french-bashing
It's not french-bashing to point out that the current language evolved from the Parisian dialect - more specifically the langue d’öil variant - which wasn't commonly spoken anywhere else in the country before that. Every modern nation state has seen a similar evolution where the dialect of the capital supplanted, and in some cases forcibly eradicated, local languages and dialects.

>>53183977
>>no one used swords, axes
>yeah

IF they didn't use them, why would they make them? They were tools like any other, regardless of how overplayed they are in media.

>>no one used horses
>not until the 1400s

Didn't the Romans have so many German auxiliae because they specialized in light cavalry that the legions lacked? Didn't knights evolve from this northern European cavalry (i.e., not specifically the auxiliae, but the emphasis on cavalry from the Germans)?

>>53187011
I have a question : is english your native language ? Because it seems that you have some trouble reading and understanding it.

My point was that the only source for that claim was from a tabloid that is known for its french-bashing, I didn't say that this one claim was french-bashing.

>>53187018
I thought knights as a heavy cavalry and as a social structure became a thing because stirrup made them really powerful when it got introduced in europe.

>>53184897
Many Romans did speak Koine Greek in addition to Latin. I think it was in vogue with some in the Patrician class, but it was the lingua Franca for the eastern part of the Empire, so it was fairly common. Mostly though, they spoke Latin.

>>53187018
Pretty much all of medieval society was based around how hard it was to raise horses.

>>53187188
I thought heavy cavalry came later, but I was wrong. They were considered heavy cavalry then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cavalry#Western_Europeans

They were powerful before the stirrup though, since before its introduction, having a horse was still advantageous and (>>53187255) expensive

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>>53183977
>>>no one spoke French during the French revolution
>nope it was english

>>>The English won the Hundreds Years' War
>correct

Lindy you fouckeing rosbeef! May your filthy English pecquer rot and pluck off while you fuck a fouckeing sheep.

>>53186044
There is no such thing as an immersive work, only immersed readers. How would you even distinguish an immersive from non-immersive work, purely on literary basis?

>>53182975
>Arrow instantly burns your hand when you fire it so is stupid
>Arrow doesn't instantly burn you when it hits you so is stupid
What did he mean by that?

>>53183176
Of course the system works! We'll fight fire with fire!

>>53187188
>stirrup made them really powerful when it got introduced in europe.
That's a myth because before the stirrup cavalry used the roman saddle which was as good as stirrups. Also the late Romans (Byzantines) and Persians had heavy cavalry (cataphracts) and they didn't use stirrups.

>>53187419
An immersive work is one where you don't have to personally decide to ignore jarring details to "stay immersed". It doesn't have to be hyper-realistic, but it has to make sense within its own rules so that you don't ever feel the need to question the existence of magic or how exactly it works for example.

>>53187532
Byzantines used stirrups since the 7th century, and europeans widely by the 8th.

>>53185463
It's been many years since the burden of proof was on our side, friendo

>>53182823
>berserkers weren't real

But he never said this. What he really said was that the modern idea of berserkers as bloodthirsty naked maniacs was false.

>>53187586
He was sort of wrong and sort of right. He made them out to be special lieutenants but that was kind of bullshit. The only correct thing he said was that "berserker" means "bear shirt."
In actuality the term comes from (mostly mythological) warriors who would don the fur of a bear and take on the bear's qualities (ferocity, endurance, savagery) during battle to varying degrees whilst losing their own personality in the process.
So, like, he's right that our idea of berserkers didn't exist, but he's wrong that it's not the correct idea.

>>53187548
>but it has to make sense within its own rules so that you don't ever feel the need to question the existence of magic or how exactly it works for example
So real life isn't immersive?

>>53187582
Not him (I think climate change is real) but the burden of proof is always on the person making the positive claim.

>>53187651
You are correct, but climate change scientists have passed that bar decades ago (and are adding evidence each day).
At this point it's the other side's turn to present evidence, because now THEY are the ones making a claim that challenges the status quo.

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>>53187443
What do you expect?
Even more so when armor is a thing

>>53187622
Also they were believed to get coked up on mushrooms before battles

>>53187401
cant argue with that logic though

>>53187640
Have you ever considered that magic might actually be real? If so that's probably more a sign of your quickly deteriorating mental health than anything else.

>>53187747
I know that's a widespread belief, but I'm not sure how much evidence supports this.
Like, I don't doubt that SOMEONE has done this in the history of warfare, but I'm not sure OC berserkers would have. I do believe they used things like fasting and exposure to heat.

>>53187401
Every time I see this pic I'm mirin his marinière. I have a lot of them but none is this cool.

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>>53187670
>I would provide evidence, but people already did that years ago, so I won't.

Anon, have I told you about how the Jews are ruining everything, I would give you evidence, but someone already did that for me years ago. I mean, I don't really care about this argument, but the burden of proof is on the person stating that something is happening.

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>>53185716
Because he viral markets his channel weekly when he should just buy an ad.

>>53187899
>low-quality baguettes
dropped

>>53187881
>The Earth revolves around the Sun
>POSITIVE CLAIM BURDEN OF PROOF REEEEEEE
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. Once something has been established the burden of proof shifts to the other side

>>53187946
You must be pretty lazy if you can't be assed to provide proof for something so blatantly true then.

We can't even rely on the scientific method anymore because we've gotten finance and politics grubby mitts into it. This is why we need partial AI, so impartial entities can do experiments for us. Testotron doesn't care if it gets published and has no use for money or tenure, it derives sexual pleasure from arithmetic.

>>53187996
>We can't even rely on the scientific method anymore because we've gotten finance and politics grubby mitts into it
Speak for yourself, humanities major.

>>53182588
Flag signals + Yellers.

Flag signalers send and receive messages between the Leaders of battle groups that are otherwise to far to communicate while yellers shout commands to the troops within the battlegroup.

That or you just plan out everything with your Captains beforehand based on the info you have on the enemy army composition. Battles weren't as dynamic as they are in modern times and armies mostly just had one strategy that they slammed against their opponents till one side broke.

>>53188158
Also musicians. This is one of the things Napoleon was very good at IIRC, the logistics of using flags and marching bands to disperse orders in order to maintain control. He also payed exhaustive attention to scouting and intelligence. His major defeat, Waterloo, happened when he was too sick with diarrhea to do either of these things.

>>53188094
Unless you are one of the Mathmen, you are just as fucked.
Specially the engineers.

>>53182361
What a pleb. My game is set in medieval France, therefore the NPC archers say "Tirez!" and talk entirely in Old French.
I bet he's a little pussy who would translate in-universe NPC speech to modern English for his players to understand what's going on.
Hell, I bet he'd be too scared to enforce Old French only in-character conversations like I do. The guy is not welcome at my table. Old French only, bitches.

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>>53188274
>Medieval France
>Speaks French

Stupid frog, don't you know the French speaks English in the middle ages? It's simply logical since the Romans speak English and they spread English during their expansion.

>>53184592
Probably made up. Splitting "draw" and "loose" is pretty peculiar, because it implies people are holding their bows fully drawn between those commands. Which isn't something you ever want to do.

>>53188695
That makes sense, otherwise why would the movies say otherwise.

>>53188380
They're Spanish.

>>53188919
I hate it when you see movies where all the archers are standing their with their bows drawn for long periods of time, waiting for the command to shoot.

>>53183478
The burden of proof is on the positive claim not the negative

>>53189218
Prove to him that he did didn't say any of that.

>>53185948
In a medium of entertainment not education you bet your autistic ass it does

>>53189565
Are you actually retarded?

>>53182734
That's not an equivalent statement at all.
A better one would be "closing your eyes makes other people invisible," which, depending on how literally you take the definition of "invisible," is arguably true.

>>53190723
Okay, then prove to him that he did successfully fail to say any of that. I mean, what's he supposed to do? Prove to you that he didn't successfully fail to say any of that? That hardly even makes sense. Come on, man.

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When I used to practice archery (weirdly as a sporty youth not a larping neckbeard) the word "fire" used to drive me mad.

Picture of clip unrelated.

>>53188380
Yeah, gotta keep these Portuguese at bay, right

>>53182823
You appear to have missed the point of some of those videos.
>No one used X
These in particular.

>no one spoke French during the French revolution
Modern French has done away with a lot of dialects that existed during that time
>no one spoke Latin during the Roman Republic
Greek dialects were more common than Latin. This carried on through the Empire
>Vikings weren't real
Vikingr is Old Norse for pirate
>berserkers weren't real
Berserker is Old Norse for Champion

Don't take this to mean that I'm a fan, or anything. I still think he's full of shit, but he's not the snake oil salesman you portray him as. I thought the videos where he makes minis and props for wargames and RPGs were pretty good, despite the rest of his content

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>>53193934
>Vikingr is Old Norse for pirate
>Berserker is Old Norse for Champion

>>53182429
>don't like don't read ;D

>>53183318
LOOOOOLLLLL I TROLLLLLL UUUUUUUU

>>53182823
>climate change isn't real
*man made

>>53189661
Why not educate your players instead of simply entertaining them with poor inaccurate writing and half-ass improvisation.
But then again "Depends on Setting"
If your setting is that in which all media entertainment tropes are real, then I don't see a problem in the slightest.

>>53187443
It's dumb because a practical fire arrow would just injure the archer. At the same time, the fire does almost nothing to the guy you actually hit it with.

>>53184287
Now do one for big daddy Easton

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>>53193934
>Berserker is Old Norse for Champion
The funny thing is that to reason this, Lindy had to refer to a French translation of a Norse saga. Not saying his methodology is wrong, it's a solid argument for his case, I just think it's funny that the man who hates the French so much he even dislikes French apples would know how to read French, and not justify it away as reading a "Norman" translation of the saga.

>>53185333
Why are Americans the way that they are?

>>53187443
Like he said in that video; fire arrows are highly impractical, are worse at killing than normal arrows, and only about 2% of the ones that hits something flammable actually sets it on fire.

They were used in sieges and in naval battles because if you fired a whole bunch of them into a fortress you would force enemy soldiers to search for those 2% of arrows and make sure that no fire got hold which meant less people defending the walls. They were never used in open warfare because they're bad weapons.

>>53196048
>highly impractical
>bad weapons
>used in sieges
so you're retarded, catapults are useless as well?

>>53186947
>your insane claim
Which claim did you find insane? That France wasn't a unified nation with a single language until long after the revolution? That common people weren't bilingual until recently in history?

Neither of those claims are insane. The first is not only fact, but common sense considering that every other modern European state has seen similar developments in the last two centuries.

The latter is really just common sense as well. Common people didn't get an education, and there was no real way for them to pick up a second or third language other than being exposed to it, and for most medieval Europeans the only language they would ever be exposed to other than their native tongue was Church Latin.

Yes, there must have been a period in large parts of Europe's history where bilingualism was more common as the natives learned to speak Latin from the Romans, but even then they wouldn't have spoken in "perfectly" (at least according to Romans), and local dialects would have run rampant. We know Vulgar Latin was a thing because grammar nazis existed even in Roman times and they spent no short amount of time writing down how common people kept mispronouncing their "perfect words".

>>53195224
Still real, keep trying tinfoiled faggot

>>53196145
If you watch the video he speaks specifically about their usage in open battles as depicted in Hollywood movies. The point of his entire rant is to explain why that idea is stupid.

They were used as a distraction during sieges. They were not used as weapons in battle.

>>53196194
i did watch the video, just pointing out that your comment was wrong

>>53196231
If you reread my original comment you will see that you misread it. The fault was on you, not me.

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>>53183977
>>>castles were defended by three soldiers
>well 6, one for each corner and two in the middle
>>>butted mail is better than riveted mail
>yep. Try it. t. Mailman here

Top kek, Anon.

>>53184408
this black person knows whats up

I saw Lindybeige at a convention recently, he never smiles

>>53184205
It's not a valid argument for any language. Languages evolve constantly, and not just because of exposure to foreign words either. Even a completely isolated language spoken on a tiny island would change and eventually become unintelligible from its original form.

>>53186947
>>53187063
I honestly don't believe you even touched a search engine, here's the University of Ottawa on the matter.

https://slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=french_history

>>53182734
No, but it will save me from being forced to look at your dog ugly face.

>>53182823
Also
>what the english did to the Affrikaaners in the second boer war wasn't genocide

>>53196829
>the english invented concentration camps meme

>>53182823
He also thoughtI brexit was a good idea. It's funny how if you say utter bollocks in a British accent people think it has more authority.

>>53184790
That Anon is stretching the shit he says in his videos to the breaking point.

For some actual Lindy retardation just watch him struggle with the concept of abstraction in DnD. I think those videos tend to be his most disliked too, for good reason.

>>53198534
His criticism on DnD seems really valid, though. The video on the initiative system for one is 100% on point. It is a stupid system, and it is embarrassing that DnD and so many other systems still use it even though so many better alternatives have been explored since.

>>53182361
As an even more absurd counter, why care about immersion? I'm nearly incapable of what everyone else describes as immersion. While I might enter flow state while playing a game, I've never forgotten myself so much that I felt I was part of anything I played. I still have lots of fun with tabletop and other media regardless. Maybe I'm just a sociopath.

>>53198842
Maybe you have afantasy?

>>53183994
Driving comes from the process of moving livestock were you want.

Cattle-drives etc.

You also drive the animals that pull a conveyance - i.e. the man who drives the horses on a stage coach, the "coach-driver"

>>53200137
Yes, but driving a horse is not the same as riding a horse, and you certainly don't "drive [your] horse around."

>>53198219
>brexit is bad

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>>53203107
It's good in the sense that Britain has regained its autonomy, but in the short term the economic consequences are pretty disastrous according to almost everyone with any credentials in economics. Someone on /int/ posted some PDF report about it a few days ago (can't find it right now, I'm on my mom's computer) but even the most optimistic scenario (the so-called "Norway option") will see Britain's wages, total GDP and GDP per capita shrink.

That's the bitter pill we need to swallow: the only good part about the EU is the free trade area, which Germany keeps swinging in front of European countries like a carrot on a stick. If it was just a free trade zone it'd be fine, but it comes bundled with some retarded Fourth Reich multi-culti bullshit bundle.

There's nothing Germans don't ruin. Even the beer they're so proud of is inferior to Dutch and Belgian beer.

>>53184618
Personally I would prefer to not have a need to use that image ever. But I have it, so now I use it.

Also, since this thread is keep going, I suggest the standard procedure with lindyposting then - shitting it up so hard it reaches bump limit and disappears.

>>53203535
>Regained autonomy
>Still will have to deal with EU structures
>Now as outsider with no voting rights
>Scots are getting seriously agitated to bugger off
>Pound lost value so bad it can't even think about bouncing up
What a massive win!

And rest of your post isn't even laughable as /pol/-tier bullshit - it's just sad.

>>53194103
Well the first one is true, the second one is a loose translation, a more direct one would be something along the line of "Bear fighter" or "bear man" or something

>>53195268
Because your players most likely didn't show up for a history lesson. They came to have a good time. I mean, if they showed up to hear you rattle on about the entire history of the war of 1812, that's totally cool. But that sort of shit isn't for everybody.

>>53188380
Yeah, build a wall between here and Spain, good idea.

>>53182361
>loose

We're talking about medieval archery, not your mother's cunt

>>53203993
I am sure Trump is retarded enough to try something like that.

>>53186697
Yeah, I thought "let loose an arrow" was what they said in medieval times

>>53203535
>EU
>free trade
Yes that's exactly why they have a billion regulations while they also are currency manipulators

>>53204273
The EU exists mainly to uphold free trade within Europe. Having regulations that all member states have to follow is an unfortunate consequence of this goal, as all member states have to have similar health standards and so on to be able to sell products across borders unproblematically.

The Euro was an incredibly poorly implemented concept, and I have heard (though it was years ago, and I don't feel like googling for a source on it) that the economists responsible for it intentionally did it badly with the idea that it would eventually cause a crisis that would force the member states to band together and form an actual United States of Europe.

>>53185284
>according to Monty

Is he trying to say that because the commander of the operation that said commander pushed for said that it was a success, that is proof that it is a success?

The fuck?

One day, we will have a thread covering a topic that was at some point covered by Lloyd that doesn't dissolve into a thread about Lindybeige as a personality and making up a bunch of shit he never said.

This will likely be in 2032 after the Mushroom People have taken over, but still.

>>53184573
You don't know how to throw a knife if it spins.

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>>53183318
fucking amazing

>>53204846
Lloyd is literally just Matt Easton with autism.

>>53206426
Now, this is a proper fun insult. It's evocative, it's got truth in it, it references other sources, and it's funny.

Much better than claiming he denies that Romans spoke Latin or that Zama happened.

>>53203826
>>Regained autonomy
This is good
>>Still will have to deal with EU structures
Just like every other country that deals with the EU. And the EU will have to deal with any strictures britain wishes to impose. Its called international trade
>>Now as outsider with no voting rights
Popular votes actually mattering in the EU?
>>Scots are getting seriously agitated to bugger off
Truth. Scots have always been homosexual sheepshaggers
>>Pound lost value so bad it can't even think about bouncing up
A currency losing value isn't necessarily bad. Why do you think China artificially depresses its currency?
>>What a massive win
Yes

>>53206731
China artificially depresses its currency to attract overseas investment to build factories at incredibly cheap labor prices. Unless you're implying that Britain can beat China for slave labor costs, that comparison doesn't really hold water.

>>53204040
We'll pay him.
We also need one around ceuta and melilla.
In fact just fucking wall us off the world.

>>53208231
In a controversial move, Iberia has been declared as a forward base for the US Military in the coming conflicts.

>not a single post of "let fly" as an alternative

>>53195483
What's wrong with Matt Easton? He at least seems informed?

>>53182823
>>no one used swords, axes
Pretty sure he only makes this statement in regards large formation military combat, in which case spears are almost always superior.
>>no one used scythes
Other than perhaps peasants. And war scythes could just as easily be considered a type of bardiche or something.
>>Vikings weren't real
Are you sure he's not just calling issue with fantasy styled, horn helmeted modern interpretations?

>>53182823
>climate change isn't real
Aww, look at the faggot who can't do math. You, that is. Global warming has long been proven false.

>>53183977
>no one used swords or axes
[laughs in Vargarian]
>no one used horses
[laughs in Greek]
>pikemen didn't fight each other
[Laughs in Swiss]
>No one spoke french
[laughs in seven different regional versions of French]

>>53198745
The main one I remember regarding his initiative was a complaint that he couldn't knock someone away with a thunderblast and then run away.

Regardless of what you think of the initiative system, that particular argument for why was wrong, hence why he can't into abstraction. He could have cast thunderblast and then scarpered, but he chose not to during his turn or would have used his movement to run in and cast it. Alternatively, if he had caught said enemy by surprise or knocked him off his feet with the force of the spell, his strategy would work since the enemy wouldn't be able to react accordingly during that round.

It's not so much a failure of the system in that case, and more just either a disconnect between what is going on in his head vs the GMs, or just him not being able to accurately map his intentions to the system - abstraction.

Another off the top of my head was his complaint that systems don't generally incorporate chase scenes, when things like CoC or 4e DnD do have specific mechanics for this in mind.

>>53203826
>>Now as outsider with no voting rights
but it cuts both ways, you massive faggot. you lose influence over the EU but more importantly Brussels loses influence on London. that was the whole fucking point.

>>53210803
>>Vikings weren't real
>Are you sure he's not just calling issue with fantasy styled, horn helmeted modern interpretations?
He was saying that 'Viking' isn't a proper ethnonym because it was a part time occupation instead

>>53211077
What Lindy said happened was
>He ran in and cast Thunderblast
>The enemies fly away and land on their backs
>On their turn they stand up and pounce on him
>He tries to run away
>DM says he can't because he's "busy"
>The only thing his character is busy with is waiting for his next turn

The main problems with the initiative system is that characters are too passive when it's not their turn, and that the whole idea of people taking turns to hit each other is silly.

Better systems have you defending yourself when you're not the attacker, and great systems have a system where who's the attacker and the defender is determined each turn, based on things like how intimidating the character is and what kind of weapon he's using, or other circumstances such as if you knocked your opponent on his back in the last turn. Winning initiative shouldn't be you getting to sit on top of a list of participants in the battle, it should mean that you force your enemies to be on the defensive that turn.

>>53211351
That's not wrong you know. The ethnonym is Norse.

>>53203535
>according to almost everyone with any credentials in economics
so noone who we should consult or whose opinions we should take seriously

>but even the most optimistic scenario (the so-called "Norway option") will see Britain's wages, total GDP and GDP per capita shrink.
pro tipp: as soon as money or ideology is involved, the value of SUPPOSEDLY objective and unbiased scientific research decreases dramatically, son.

>the only good part about the EU is the free trade area
agreed. t. German

>If it was just a free trade zone it'd be fine, but it comes bundled with some retarded Fourth Reich multi-culti bullshit bundle.
you're obviously too young to understand the nuances of what happened. the OTHER nations (particularly France) forced germany into the currency union after the german reunion. germany consented but only under the now often broken promise of debts remaining a strictly national problem. later the german conservatives under merkel turned into socialdemocrats. and if both big parties of an influential nation subscribe to the same bullshit ideas, they might end up pushing their ideologies on everyone else, which is what has happened here. and they were only able to do so because southern europe took on way too much debt.

so, 4th reich my ass. the problem is cuckservatives (and that includes british tories) sucking the left's dick because they don't have a spine to stand up for their own values. conservatism would logically be for a european confederation. but they are so cucked that they are advocating a european superstate.

that is the actual problem: conservatives around the globe without spine. i mean, just like at republicans in US congress. just spineless.

rant over.

>>53211365
>Better systems have you defending yourself when you're not the attacker
What do you think AC is supposed to represent? Pro-tip: even an unarmored character has an AC of 10 in D&D, higher if you include DEX and other non-equipment factors. The initiative system isn't perfect, but it ensures everyone gets to do something without devolving into some kind of simultaneous play which will inevitably end up in chaos to the point where you'd be better off freeforming.

>>53211393
>That's not wrong you know
Yup

>>53211365
>and that the whole idea of people taking turns to hit each other is silly.
They're not taking turns. Everything happens simultaneously and turns are just there because you can't achieve full simultaneity with just pen and paper

I suppose you could use tick system as in Exalted but that's a huge pain in the ass

>>53211396
As long as we're passing blame Britain is far from innocent in this scenario.

For example, the EU laid down the idea of external and internal border patrols several times to better control the refuge crisis. Britain used their veto every single time, because "that would give the EU too much power".

And then they leave the EU, because "the EU can't handle the refuge crisis."

>>53211446
>What do you think AC is supposed to represent?
An abstraction, but it's a flawed one. For one, it never feels like you actually dodge anything. It always just feels like your opponent has missed.

>>53211476
>Everything happens simultaneously
Except when it clearly isn't. If I knock someone on their back on my turn, and they stand up on theirs, that's clearly not simultaneous actions. Moreover, if they actually were simultaneous there would be even more reason to incorporate defensive maneuvers as it's stupid to assume that everyone would always respond to their opponent's attack with an attack of their own.

>>53211482
>As if the EU would actually use those competences to keep "refugees" out
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/13/eu-migration-centre-africa-6-million/

Keep in mind that this is the same union being led by Germany and Merkel. The same Merkel who VIOLATED the Dublin Agreement to bring refugees into Germany, and the same Germany that reacted by expressing majority approval and giving AfD only about 10% of their votes (projected for the next elections). Fucking hell, Front National originated as a literal Nazi sympathizer party and even they managed to get 44%.

>>53211519
>For one, it never feels like you actually dodge anything. It always just feels like your opponent has missed.
Distinction purely in description

>If I knock someone on their back on my turn, and they stand up on theirs
What, do you propose to introduce air time?

>Moreover, if they actually were simultaneous there would be even more reason to incorporate defensive maneuvers as it's stupid to assume that everyone would always respond to their opponent's attack with an attack of their own.
What is Dodge action?

Also, D&D combat is supposed to represent combat as it was in Errol Flynn movies that Gygax liked so much. If you want to play system with HEMA combat, use GURPS

>>53211540
>The same Merkel who VIOLATED the Dublin Agreement to bring refugees into Germany
That was because Greece refused to pay for the border patrols around their coasts, and said that "either Northern Europe pays for all of it, or we'll open the gates and let all the refugees into Europe."

Germany called, but Greece wasn't bluffing.

>>53211550
>What, do you propose to introduce air time?
No, as I've already said, I believe the best systems are ones where if you lose initiative you don't get to be offensive that turn.

>>53204273
the billion regulations are necessary for trade to happen, if you didn't have that, every country would have different standard for everything, and you couldn't sell shit outside of your own country.

>>53211584
Does it mean that only one character per round does his actions?

If someone has an actual rebuttal for the pike and spear argument he had I'd like to hear it.

That is to say, the first line in the square is shitfucked no matter what since the whole enemy square will hit them first and it doesn't matter if you get paid more if you're guaranteed to die, and there are enough renaissance battles with low casualty counts, and a few with zero casualties, to show that it obviously isn't just about masses of men rushing at each other like this is some kind of retarded miniatures game.

Obviously the pike square is really good at dealing with horsemen, since having 10 pikes into your horse for one attack on one guy in the square is a shitty deal, and horsemen were obviously a big thing up to that point.

But I've seen a lot of autistic wailing about the argument, but nobody is actually saying why it's wrong.

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>>53183977
>Battle of Zama didn't happen
U wot

>>53211617
It means that people declare which enemy they intend to fight that turn, and then each participant rolls their initiative. The winning side gets to be offensive that turn. So, no, not just one person gets to attack. Two or more people can decide to fight the same enemy and if they both lose initiative against him they will have to defend, but as long as one of them wins they both get to attack.

>>53211650

That's retarded. There are a lot of strategies that rely on the idea of counter attacks, or waiting for your enemy to over extend themselves and leave an opening, or on using an enemies attack against them.

>>53211650
That is pointlessly complicated.
Also, play GURPS, you'll like it
Or Phoenix Command, hehehe

>>53211665
And that's something you can still do. You win initiative and use it to bait out a careless attack.

>>53211540
germany is a nation of go-alongs. that hasn't changed since wilhelm II. nobody here wants to be an outsider. in fact, people are afraid of it. add to that that the media might turn on one of the two big parties but never on both of them

t. AfD member

>>53211637
Can you confirm that Zama exists?

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>>53211365
The DM hasn't done it by RAW then, unless the opponents were particularly agile and able to stand up quickly, or were very close.

Again, that word. ABSTRACTION. Characters are not passive when it isn't their turn, I mean he just made a video recently about "back attacks" when what he really was talking about was opportunity attacks. Reactions are a very important part of DnDs action economy. All that action is considered concurrent but for the sake of tactics and book-keeping people take it in turns. Armour Class isn't just armour you're wearing, which is why lightly armoured characters can parry and dodge when they are considered the defender.

>>53211476
I like Exalted's system, particularly how initiative shifts around. But at the end of the day it boils down to the same thing for book-keeping, with people acting to a list based on initiative. My main issues with it is it can be a headache to track especially when you have to remember who crashed who etc.

>>53203826
>>Scots are getting seriously agitated to bugger off
They literally aren't though? All polls suggest the majority do not want an independence referendum in scotland, and if there was one they'd vote to stay in the UK like they did in 2014.
Scotland can't join the EU even if they left, their economy is not good enough, it's worse than greece.
The only reason to suspect the scots would try and leave is because the SNP (the party primarily of scottish independence) holds 90% of the seats but this is going down, they used to hold all seats and the conservative party is slowly taking seats back because the SNP has done next to nothing in the past few years. The only reason they ever got a majority was because the people that voted for scottish to become independent all would vote for the only party pushing for independence. This means 45% at least of the votes go to the SNP, and 55% is split between every other party. In first past the post this means the SNP wins the seat almost every time.


Scotland will never leave, some of them aren't idiots.

>>53211689
>I like Exalted's system, particularly how initiative shifts around. But at the end of the day it boils down to the same thing for book-keeping, with people acting to a list based on initiative. My main issues with it is it can be a headache to track especially when you have to remember who crashed who etc.
I was referring to 2e initiative (which is just ATB), never got into 3e even though I was dumb enough to back their cockstarter

>>53211689
>All that action is considered concurrent but for the sake of tactics and book-keeping people take it in turns
Here's a suggestion that Lindy made which, according to him came from Runequest. Each player simultaneously declare what they want to this turn and roll for it, and then the GM improvises how it plays out.

>>53211676

Except you can't do it on a player because they'll know it's bait.

>>53211691
Why do you bring /pol/ to /tg/? Are you just retarded?

You replying makes it more your fault than his.

>>53211681
There's the roman records of it.
There's the fact that despite Quintus Fabius Maximus' death, Scipio would never have wrested as much political power without decisively defeating Hannibal
There's the fact that without having his veteran army crushed Hannibal wouldn't have been considered a non-threat for the next few years between the end of the Second Punic War and having to go on voluntary exile.

>>53211735
Seems fine, outside of having to roll initiative each round. But you'd assume under such a system each round would carry more weight towards the outcome of the battle.

But that still doesn't mean DnDs Initiative Order is particularly flawed or poorly thought out.

>>53182361
Don't they usually say "loose" in TV/movies? I don't remember anyone saying fire on anything I've watched.

>>53211776

I prefer the D6 initiative every round method. Its good for the idea that the moment to moment decisions matter more. You can be strong and fast, but the guy with quicker reflexes and a good knife can still hit you at least twice before you've even turned around to counter if you're taken by surprise.

>>53211776
>outside of having to roll initiative each round
I don't know if Lindy's suggestion even requires an initiative roll.

>>53211760
I don't think they would have much choice in the matter.

>>53211735
Initiative from OWoD:
1) Everyone in the scene rolls Initiative, the higher the better
2) Everyone, starting with the lowest initiative, declares their actions
3) All actions are resolved, starting with the highest initiative

>>53211798
Well whatever you name the "roll for it" described in that post. You would have to roll it every time people declare, before actions take place.

Potentially annoying for book-keeping but at least it easily removes any worry about breaking action economy which is something DnD does struggle with (Ranger pets in particular, for example)

>>53211761
If I wanted to bring /pol/ to /tg/ I wouldn't try and make a reasonable post. I'd just say "haha fuck niggers #maga praise kek fellow dudes!"

/pol/ can't talk about politics except with buzzwords and memes

>>53211817
>Well whatever you name the "roll for it" described in that post.
Lindy never said that though. That wasn't part of his suggestion. Your conflating it with something else.

>>53211798
>I don't think they would have much choice in the matter.

Not to take the bait. If they lose the initiative and someone tries to bait them, then they can just do literally anything except a straight attack and it'll work.

Bait only works if the one you're baiting doesn't know. But the moment you know so transparently you're being baited the entire idea goes to shit.

>"Hmm, me and the three other guys attacking this boss lost initiative, but the GM is letting us attack anyway. This is obviously a trap and we'll be attacked the moment we step into range to attack. So we'll keep out of range and wait a few seconds to ACTUALLY win the initiative, and clobber him when he can't attack us!"

>>53211879
No I'm responding to that post. He said you declare intent for this turn and then everyone rolls.

So that turn passes, then everyone needs to roll again. What am I conflating here? I'd call that an initiative roll, said system could call it whatever it likes but the point is you will be rolling it every single round before any action even happens.

>>53211895
You roll for the actions, not initiative.

>>53211893
It would presumably work something like
>you won initiative
>you choose to bait your opponent
>your opponent must make an attack
>you get a bonus on defense against it
>if you succeed in defending against you get some other bonus against him the next turn

>>53211906
Oh I see. So the whole system is just scrapped entirely. That does sound like a lot of pressure put on the DM though. Without knowing context, it could also pull away from certain archetypes, like veteran soldiers/commanders or fast-thinking rogues/assassins. Though I imagine those things could still be easily handled within the system.

Also sounds more like it would fit into FFG or aforementioned Exalted style systems where dice measure degrees of success, since then failures on an action could count as not having acted quickly enough.

>>53210964
Where's the proof? I've never found any good sources for that that cannot be debunked with few google searches. Most of climatology papers that have been published in last 20 years on journals that are not shit seem to say otherwise and I usually tend to trust physicists over random people on the internet.

>>53182361
>Radiohead knowing anything about anything.

It's "nock", "draw", "release"/"away". Course, it'd be in old English/Frankish, so this whole discussion is moot.

>>53210964
No it isn't. The scientific community around the world agrees that man made climate change is real.
Only lobby paid murrican "scientists" and morons deny it.

>>53210964
Holy fuck, you have proof? Get it in a journal or something, holy fuck.

>>53186044
Wrong. Like, Holy shit, are you one of those super entitled players who "has never had a good GM ever."?

Any audience needs a certain level of suspension of disbelief. We know there WILL be things that go against logic or common sense. That is the basis of the entire medium - why would a group of PCs be worth shit, ever? Why didn't someone else do it? Because fuck common sense and logic. If you don't, every game will be about no name peasants who never achieve anything.

To drive a story forward, you will sometimes have to employ a suspension of disbelief to keep the flow rolling.

If you want magical and supernatural abilities to affect the world, you are already forced to use suspension of disbelief. Anything fantasy or scifi is simply not functional without it.

Regarding initiative. I like how WoD does it. You declare your actions in reverse initiative order, that way the faster one knows what everyone else intends to do. But you resolve in initiative order, so the faster character can react faster to what the others intend to do.

Why do you repost bait? What? Lindysperg stopped making new videos you need to reuse old ones?

>>53182361
>Is he correct /tg/?
Why did you change your question? The old one was at least under my filter. Now I still have to watch that ugly shit with stale bait

>>53187981
Like the other anon said, you don't have to prove something established as true. You must prove it when it's the other way around. Say you want to say "Earth is round". Since that's accepted and confirmed truth, nobody has to prove anything anymore. But say "Earth is flat" and you have to prove it.

Why /pol/tards don't grasp basic reasoning and proving is beyond me, but they try time and again to force people to prove truth, while leave their own bold/retarded claims with no support whatsoever.

>>53186328
>Lindysperg
>mild British bias
>mild

>>53186283
Ah, people are still using my upgraded flowchart

>>53185627
>Remember, the language of Russian nobility until, like, 19th century was actually French.
So was the language of ANY European nobility, since French was the language of diplomacy up until WW2

>>53184495
>Shit-tier viral marketing by LindyBulgar
>Clickbait attatched!
>Surprised it's boring
Anon...

>>53206731
>Popular votes actually mattering in the EU?
No, but voting in the European Parliament does. Guess what you can't do when you are outside EU.

And you apparently know jack shit about currency and monetary politics if you put pound decreased value due to shit-tier political decision and destabilisation of their own economy with planned and intentional monetary skirmish Chinese are doing for past 25 years.

>>53198745
Haven't watched it, but I detest initiative in the D&D system.

>Master of Speed attacks at initiative 56, way before everybody else.
>Second fastest goes at initiative 15.
>Mr. Master of Speed struck at a blinding speed, after which he stood around awkwardly, quietly jerking off, until everybody else finally got around to acting.
>After they finally did this, he then attacks with a sudden burst of Speed, once again going so much faster than everybody else, before going back to jerking off.

I have implemented the initiative system from Exalted into EVERYTHING I run.

>>53211274
Only that Brussel had no control over London, you massive faggot. That's the whole point. Brits literally chopped their arm off because they had a cramp in the finger.
Your claim, boiled down, equals to "Who cares if their lost any influence they had in EU policy making, if they are no longer forced to follow policies they weren't following in the first place and there was no way to force them to". They've basically fucked themselves over TWICE, since they still have to trade with EU, but can't shape internal affairs. When one of the kids gets fussy, packs his toys and leaves, the play continues, but without that kid. And the kid is ridiculed for a reason.
This is same shit, but in high-end politics.

And glory days won't return for UK no matter what, since the empire collapsed loooong time ago, but not everyone realised that even today.

>>53211691
>Bending reality this hard
Do you by chance come from Sussex? Surrey maybe?

>>53182429
Saved, thanks

>>53182988
How new you are that making random internet nobodies recognisable doesn't piss you off?

>>53213854
>little englander argument

>>53213881
>Implying this is not a correct argument when someone says "Scots totally don't won't leave" or claiming "Scots didn't vote out last time, because they like us and not because we promised to not leave EU"

>>53213840
Have you read initiative rules for 2e?
That was the last time when D&D was even trying to apply at least some tactical thinking into combat. Granted, it still failed, but at least they were trying back then.

>>53213892
But even now polls show a 60/40 split in favor of no second vote. The majority of scots want to stay because they know even if they leave they will not be in the EU.

>>53183606
By that logic you should rather say Hitler was literally Napoleon. Then laugh on your retarded claim, realising you've just compared actual tactician and able strategist with some racist sergeant

>>53211934
>fast-thinking rogues/assassins
The very first Lindy brings up in that video is that dexterity shouldn't have anything at all to do with your initiative.

>>53213928
>if they leave they will not be in the EU.
So say the English.
Not the EU.

Gee, does this mean another retarded propaganda ruse by the Conservatives?

>>53183380
I've seen his 'No Vikings' video and he does acknowledge that there were Scandinavian societies that went sailing and raiding but on the most part he was ranting that there was no 'Vikings' as in a specific kingdom called Viking.
He never names a single society that is referred to when the umbrella term 'Viking' is used nor does he even address the fact that the umbrella term exists in the first place or why.
Or even what Viking means really. Literally 'to go forth' typically in a sailing sense or for conquest

Just spends the entire time ranting that 'Vikings' didn't exist.
If you don't watch the entire thing and actually listen you'd seriously have the impression he thinks Vikings are a complete ahistorical fiction.

>>53213928
>>53213944
Even if the EU says no they would likely still be welcome in the Nordic Council.

>>53182361
Everyone hates Lindsey, but I like him cuz he asks questions and brings up topics I didn't even think about. His problems begin when he tries to give an answer in something he doesn't have any experience in or hasn't done necessary research in.

>>53213909
2nd edition was the first edition I adopted rolling initiative for.

It makes no fucking sense that a dagger with a negative initiative strikes the same amount of times, as a fuckhuge great weapon.

>>53195224
The actual term is 'Advanced Climate Change' and it is undeniably real.
The only idiots that still think it's false are those that have personal agendas to push, are to stupid to know better, have their heads up their own arses or a mix of all three.

>>53213964
>Literally 'to go forth'
That is not what the word means. The exact meaning is unclear, but that is not even one of the commonly suggested answers.

A way more likely explanation is that it means "to pirate in bays", as "vik" means "bay", and a "viking" or "vikingr" thus would be someone who lays his ships in bays in search of things to steal.

>>53213876
>lindybeige
>nobody
he has almost half a million subs

>>53213944
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/independent-scotland-would-have-to-apply-to-join-eu-commission-says

Even the guardian makes a terrible case for scottish independence.
>Scotland has to take the Euro
>Would take 4-5 years to join anyway
>Still has to apply

How would a completely independent scotland survive for the 4 years before they can join the EU? Their economy isn't very good and they won't be using the pound.

This is of course assuming they will even be able to join the EU, it's all well and good saying things but doing them is different.

>>53214038
And that still makes him a dance instructor pretending to be historian pretending to have knowledge in vast swat of subjects. That still means he managed to get fired from a tenure job.

And that goes without mention his sub influx is chiefly based on threads like this one.

>>53214046
>Let's quote Guardian, British newspaper always loyal to the government, as a proof
Not even him, but seriously?

How about you check EU materials on the subject, rather than newspaper article?

>>53214099
The guardian is the most left leaning pro-eu major newspaper the country has.
It gives quotes in the article from EU officials saying they would let scotland apply but it could take 3-5 years meaning joining in 2022 assuming the independence referendum in 2019.

Do you have EU papers saying scotland will instantly join the EU and have no application process? Because if you don't everything I said is exactly the same, scotland will have several years of being unable to support itself meaning huge debt or huge cuts to public services.

>>53214089
>That still means he managed to get fired from a tenure job.
He never worked at that university he was a volunteer.
>And that goes without mention his sub influx is chiefly based on threads like this one.
You really think that a few threads with a couple hundred anons is enough to give him 500k subs? That's absurd

You're just jealous because he's making money our of being an autist and doing something he loves

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>>53214175
>Guardian
>Left
Let me guess - Daily Mail is the most respected British newspaper?

>>53214253
Um... jeleous of what exactly? Being an ass in front of camera? I'm making a pretty penny on doing stuff I love and I don't need to be autistic for that nor lying nor making things up for clickbait, desperately looking for attention to earn for living.
And when I need advertisement, I just go pay for it, instead of shitposting on /tg/. If you seriously think there is absolutely zero relation between his subscribers and those threads on /tg/, where /tg/ singlehandly made him "someone", then you are stupid, simply put.
It's like you don't understand basics of viral marketing

>>53215142
Ah yes the guardian is truly a centrist newspaper

>>53215298
What would you say is a good british centrist newspaper?