So if the Guilliman's new real scale Marines turns out to

xD

Plls dooo eeeet!! My cocky ocky neeed z eeet!!!

Well this went to hell quick. Wouldn't mind it personally though.

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>>53141885

>tfw can't wait to rape gamer gurls and their space marines with my Imperial Guard.

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>>53141885
REEE NO GIRLS ALLOWED!

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>>53141997

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I heard their periods attract chaos.

KHORNE CAN SMELL THE MENSTRUATION

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>>53141885
>female space marines
Isn't that what the bolter bitches are for?

>>53141885
Meh I've got no problem with that. Just throw in a couple of vaguely female heads in the sprue. No need to create more feminine armour, once the implants are sorted they're all muscle and no sex organs anyway

There are no female space marines. Play Sororitas. Enjoy your -4 str.

>>53142134
But these are nu-marines, they don't need to follow the same rules as the old ones.

Just make it so the only difference is the actual chromosomes, all marines actual sex organs are ripped out in their creation to stop them interfering with the process, it's not like a marine needs mammaries so they come out during the black carapace implant, they all go through the same mind wipe and indoctrination process.

Basically I'm saying make them functionally genderless and it just happens to be that some come from female stock not that it make any practical difference.

>>53142130
>Just throw in a couple of vaguely female heads in the sprue. No need to create more feminine armour, once the implants are sorted they're all muscle
This.
>and no sex organs anyway
What ?

>>53141885
I'd quit.
Female Space Marines has always been my litmus test for the SJWfication of 40k.

The game will be better for you having left it.

>>53141885
It's certainly an option. And there's a precedent in the fluff, given how "the Emperor making all the Primarchs dudes was a mistake" has been voiced.

It'd also be interesting to see the friction between regular marines and their new, vat grown(?) siblings. It was already going to be there, but if you've got male and female nu-marines that's really going to hammer home the differences.

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>>53142617

>>53141885
Normally I'd be for it, but the Sororitas already exist and female Marines would obsolete them. Sororitas are cool as shit too, so I'd rather they stuck around. The reason for their existence is made null if fem Marines become a thing.

>>53141885
Those are sisters of Battle. Not marines
At least do proper shitposting

>>53143157
This. If more females had been in the position of power the Imperium wouldn't be in such dire straits to begin with.

>>53142235
marines have genitals. it has been NEVER said in any lore in 30 years that they dont.

>>53141885
Female warriors have always been a bad idea. 40k has enough Mary Sues as it is.

>>53143344
Male Sisters when?

>>53141885
Fuck off loser. Fighting for equality in a table top game isn't going to get you finally laid champ.

>>53143671

Listen champ, kiddo. Top kek cuck, guy. Alright sure, okay friend.

>>53143487
Space Wolves definitely do. And I believe some Slaaneshi raped or somesuch on Terra.

>>53141973
>that pepe
the barrier won't hold
don't trust magnus

>real scale
True scale is probably the worst trend of recent years.

It worked fine in inquisitor where you only had to compare them with infantry-sized characters. It doesn't work when you're also making vehicles and non-human monster miniatures.

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>>53142617
How unfortunate

>>53143650
Misters of battle

>>53144049
kek
>>53143344
I agree with that, femake Space Marines would probably mean the end of Space Nuns, and I quite like them

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>>53142617
I'm in for the meltdowns

>>53143399
The fact that there arent women in positions of power means that they dont have what it takes. In the grim darkness of the future, things arent handed to you to fill diversity quotas.

>>53144067
Unless you are also slowly updating your lines. You know, like companies sometimes do.

>>53141885
sage

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>>53141885
Swiggitty Swooty I'm coming after that non-consensual booty.

Also that delicious neckbeard rage and tears.

I hate you sjw fags.

Girls like to bitch and complain about video games, movies etc.
Then the companies pander to them and fuck up all their characters and upset the existing male fan base.
Then guess what happens? THE GIRLS DONT BUY THE FUCKING PRODUCT ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY DONT CARE ABOUT IT.

Oh thor is a girl now? All time low sales
Oh ghostbusters are girls now? Movie fuckin bombed
Oh Ironman is a black female? low sales

Sisters are shit. Female "real scale" would be shorter than men anyway. they aren't meant for combat roles.

t. 30 year old anthropologist

>>53144347
>t. 30 year old virgin

FTFY

>>53144118
Sisters are servants of the Ecclesiarchy. FemMarines wouldn't necessarily serve the same masters.

>>53144347
Cry more. Your tears are delicious.

Girls don't care because the attempts to pander to them have been shit. A meaningless choice is no choice at all.

Nobody wants to play Token Female or Princess Porno Tits. Well, maybe a neck beard.

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>>53144118
SoB are less female Space Marines and more the in-game representation of the Ecclesiarchy. And the fact that they're all female is a pretty good bit of fluff and satire unlike unlike the technobabble nonsense explanation for why Space Marines are all-male.
>>53144347
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I wouldn't be against the idea of female space marines. The only concern I have is when that would happen. Let's assume that these space marines only have guys in it, yet years later GW decides to create some sort of sister chapter to this one, that could be a good idea if that were the case. If they were to do that now however, the aforementioned concern would thus be that if the SJW:s caught wind of this and kept a close eye on the development and start rallying up and start causing trouble if there's something that they would find offensive of how they're portraying female space marines. I'm not all into all that SJW drama, but I assume it's slowly dying off and the movement is generally considered something you'd take a grain of salt to regarding on what they're conveying.

>>53144200
Nepotism breeds nepotism. If you gender-segregate space marines, and people are supposed to look up to them, and if the man-emperor of mankind is not there to set them right, they're going to become patriarchal.

>>53143399
You want to know how the Badab war started?

>>53142383
>What?
Atrophied to the point of uselessness.

>>53144347
How does being a MGTOW at 30 feels?

>>53141885
Ultimately, I think the problem with female space marines is the current cultural climate. If they had been introduced ten or fifteen years ago no one have given a shit, but everyone so ready to yell SJW and fascist today that there's no way GW could handle it well.

>>53144347
Whats new. Give girls the attention they want and thats mission accomplished for them, they dont give a shit anymore. Theyre just justifying their vain nature. Of course there are exceptions, but anecdotes dont make statistics.

>>53144695
Empire needs no justification.

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>>53144795
>ten to fifteen years ago
>Unreal Tournament 2004 had BOTH skubtastic armoured bitches and vaguely accurate portrayal of women in power armour

>>53144795
HAHAHA WHAT the only reason people are complaining now is because the things theyve loved for years are being attacked by a generation of people who have made a profession out of bitching to get what they want.

>>53144907
You are a good example proving his point.

>>53144241
except that would necessitate updating every single vehicle model in production. Yeah, they can do it, but right now every rhino or chimera sold is pretty much pure profit, since they've long paid for the molds in question.

>>53145228
Admitted. But even the best designed & maintained molds will eventually wear or or begin to give too many poor results.

Or, someone will get a burr in their butt about modifying their design & demand a change. Think: special snowflake director who doesn't mind shelling 1mil on a new mold.

Business is full of stupid decisions. I keep hoping for ones that fall in favor of the customers.

>>53144752
Go on

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>>53144875
>Give girls the attention they want and thats mission accomplished for them, they dont give a shit anymore. Theyre just justifying their vain nature.
>anecdotes dont make statistics.

>>53144596
>unlike the technobabble nonsense explanation for why Space Marines are all-male.
Its just that men on average are bigger than women.
>>53142130
there's no point changing the firmly established fact that space marines are all dudes if you're not going to make it noticeable, Honestly that's the worst possible option since the people who wanted it barely get anything. At the very least make some named characters

three ways of doing it either have some sisters be allowed to get space marine implants for some reason giving them a marine type unit
or
have specific chapters adopt female marines for cultural reasons, If i was going to pitch it then space wolves Shield maidens but in space would be my first idea, maybe throw some femarines into the blood angels so they can act as the Mary to Sanguinius's Jesus, you know really cement the space catholic vibe
or
a mostly female chapter because their recruiting world had a really low male birthrate so they ended up using women and it worked despite the possibly higher failure rate and now they are there if anyone wants to use them but otherwise they're a small detail in the lore, like the far sight enclave

>"Gene-forged beyond the capabilities of their brethren"
>"Weapons befitting of their stature"
>To the chapter dying and shit "we offer rebirth"

Stop denying it, female Space Marines are happening.

>>53141885
>Look mommy? I posted it again.

>>53144347
>>53144347
>>53144347
>>53144347
>anthropologist
>girls like to bitch
>never spoke to a woman, since he believes that they are all SJW's
>believes SJW's are only girls
>oh wow

>Turns out all the extra organs remove all feminine features
>Like half of all marines have been female the whole time

Literally all that needed to happen

>>53145647
I dunno man, men are easily more disposable/stronger to use for super-soldiers. If you had super-solder women, the question is why not make a super-human race which would become the master race because its superior in every facet.

This shit just opens problems up.

>>53145291
>I keep hoping for ones that fall in favor of the customers.
I don't think buying rhinos at land raider prices would be a change that benefits the customers much.

>>53145962
You really had to dig deep to think of a shitty argument, didn't you?

>>53146024
Dig deep on what? the conversation was about scaling vehicles up. Larger vehicles unsurprisingly cost more.

>>53146067
No shit Sherlock, but your example is ridiculous. I'd pay a bit more to have maybe a 5-10% bigger Rhino (which has always been ridiculously small).

Don't worry neckbeard. Nobody is going to take away your precious manlets.

>>53145647
>Stop denying it, female Space Marines are happening

I wouldn't mind it. It wouldn't effect me at all. I'd love to see them even as another faction - think humans run off by the Great Crusade or someone trapped in a pocket that had accelerated time to develop new tech.

Face it, the only thing coming out of such a change are new magical realms for the deviant to inhabit.

>>53146154
>immediately resorting to a personal attack
cute

>>53146280
Actually it was all the way at the end, but thanks for playing.

>>53141885
>release female marines and say its because you want to be more inclusive
>internet alt-right and biotruther loveshys set themselves on fire because of muh feminism
>actually, you only did it to sell sexy space marine chicks to horny teenagers
>everyone buys it regardless

If it happens, this is how it'll happen

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>>53142092
Well isn't that just great.

You hear that GW, CHAOS.

>>53146364
Teenagers?
what kind of modern teenager has the disposable income and patience for a hobby like this

>>53143650
Frataris Militia are already in the fluff.

Scions probably qualify too.

I personally wouldnt care

But we DO have female space marines, they are the Sisters of Battle. And even better they have their own theme, their own glorious history and their own niche in 40k. Simply copying pasting tits would be insulting to me if i was a female.

Now granted there could be more to do to make the SOBs competitive and have cool ideas... Greater Deamons of the Emperor, Sisters singing hymns to grant different bonuses... my favourite idea Ive seen around here was amalgamating them with the sisters of silence and taking a much sharper focus in their role in weeding out rogue witches. Maybe have their own bound psykers they use as suicide bombers. Or maybe the sisters being largely in charge of the black ships of the Imperium.

>>53146404
Teenagers with rich parents, presumably.

GW's previous CEO spent all his time at the company chasing after the dollars of bizarrely rich teenagers. I'm not saying it' s a sensible marketing choice, but it's something GW has a track record of doing.

>>53146475
GW will always be insanely costly even compared to other games & other miniatures. But, it seems like someone over there has started taking marketing & pricing classes because GW seems frighteningly reasonable ... for GW anyway.

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>>53142092
>>53146396

>>53146475
If thats the case then those teenagers wouldn't be interested in female marines since I assume most teenage boys cant enjoy a power fantasy if the character they are supposed to identify with is a woman

Have some copy pasta.

1. Fiction is not reality, there are functionally no finite bounds of how much fiction can exist. There is concern for representation in a finite real space like a nation's government because it is finite and has the power to impact others, but nothing about a group indulging in its own fiction fundamentally deprives another group of anything. There is no necessity to rewrite Brokeback Mountain to make one of the characters a FtM transgender person. Twighlight is dubiously "taking" space from Otherkins/Furries/Pagans with its Werewolves. If an African author wants to write speculative fiction about a future in which the West collapses and some Pan African Union rises in its wake, that would rather seem to be there prerogative to do so without Whites, or Asians, or anyone else judging them for doing it. What specifically is wrong with this subset of a piece of fiction catering to a specific group?
2. Nothing says female or non traditionally gendered characters can't be included in the setting. Of the dozens of groups and thousands of subgroups described, only a handful specify gender as a requirement. Marines, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Wyches, and Icubi. Yes there are also various cults, cultures, or orders in the larger canon that have specific gender recruiting practices but these overwhelming fall in the territory of some incarnation of them swinging whichever way is pleasing. Of the groups that specify gender none do so specifically to profess a message of one being superior to the other in reality or in this case, the fiction where they all explicitly exist to fulfill different roles they excel in for that matter.

>>53145904
I dunno, I'm just quoting Guilliman in the new video.

The video says nothing about them being bigger than traditional marines. "Weapons befitting their stature" does not imply female space marines are bigger than dudes. However they are likely bigger than average humans, so they probably need a XL bolter compared to the Astartes XXL bolter.

And this is where you're wrong about men being a better choice- since men are a more disposable resource for super-soldier and even normal IG, women are a underutilized resource for the Imperium. For years all the badass boy toddlers were snatched up by the Marines. Now the badass girl toddlers can be snatched up to make Guilliman's new female army.

Also, the "rebirth" to the dying chapters is likely literal. They are probably gene-forged to have sex with male space marines and give birth to a new generation of warriors.

>>53147242
3. If gender is important to identity then what is wrong with part of a fictional group's identity including specific gender? How is it anything more or less than one more trait amongst their others that contributes to defining them, and how would changing that, and thus changing their specific identity that is already important to other people be justified? Is there an ethical imperative for an Asian Lesbian author to make sure she includes white male characters in central roles in her literature? If gender is not important to indentity, what is your argument for changning it in this case?
4. If this is about the rules of the game that go along with the fiction, it is explicitly written in the rules that you are free to convert and to a wide extent, proxy models. If you want to make Female Space Marines, or Male Sisters of Silence, nothing is really stopping you on this front. If you don't care about changing things already written that other's have based their work on, why do you care if they accept yours? Alternatively the existing lore does nothing to exclude you writing a group that uses the rules from an existing army but that occupies some other fictional space. You want to make an Amazonian Empire that surived the Age of Strife and fields a sisterhood of power armored Warrior Priestesses, go for it! Or perhaps an elite unit of superwomen bodyguards fielded by the inquistion, cool! A host of engineered eunuchs that replicate the effects of the Pariah gene to nullify psykers, sounds fun!
5. There are ample methods to include whatever you want in a still massively open space without invalidating what others have carved out of a particular corner of it. What neccessitates doing so?

>>53142235
If these marines were a project in the works since the Heresy, they would still have been working specifically on men, there's no real way to change it without it feeling shoehorned in.

>>53147252
The imperium isn't running out of people enough to even need to use women

They could always just say one of the missing matriarchs was a girl so her gene seed can make femarines

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I hope it happens.
The tears of angry grognards would be delicious.

>> /bant/

Seems like a great way to torch the IPAD to be honest.

There's already a faction of power armoured warrior monks, and already a faction of power armoured nuns.

What's the point in mixing them again ?

I don't see a lot of girls in the hobby anyway. Do we need to change it up to make them happy, or the hundreds of girls who keep a five mile distance from the nearest game store?

>>53148203
IP **

>>53141885
Id say they should just expand the SOB. They slready have different orders, just make those differences more than just color schemes. Give them upgrade kits like chapters get for asstarts. And have RB expand their role in the imperium to be near SM tier. Then people don't bitch about muh boys club Marines or muh representation.

>>53141885
Stop making this pathetic stupid fucking thread every single day you virgin.

>people want roided as fuck indistinguisable from men "women"
We aren't talking about fit girls, no, we're talking about non femenine hulklings here

Also
>Implying GW is going to want to face the backlash from both feminist groups and fans

Oh boy I can't wait to read about all the pretty femmarines getting their guts hewn out by ork warbosses and chaos marines plastering their mangled splayed corpses over the front of their rhinos and screaming as they're flayed apart atom by atom by necron killbots.

Why are waifushitters such disgusting gurofags?

>>53144883
They were even "geneboosted" too.

>>53146404
Who didn't start this hobby as a teenager ?

>>53144695

And the imperium being patriarchal is bad because?

>>53148891

The hypothetical that any society could exist anywhere, fictional or otherwise, that does not solely exist to let women do whatever they want, whenever they want, and guarantee to indefinitely subsidize the results of those decisions is hateful.

>>53148203
>>53148226
Na torch the Ipad still works its a good image actually setting fire to something that works just fine

>>53144781
spacewolves cannon have dicks why wouldn't the others

>>53148777
This is different from normal GW how? We've had his with SoB for ages now.

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>Genetically engineering the perfect super soldier
>perfect super soldier
>female

>>53141885
I like the idea, as scientifically it IS possible, it's just that the female marines are objectively... inferior. Just by negligible amounts when it comes to the way that they're deployed and used. They can fulfill shock troops to the fullest extent, it's just that they have a tendency to... I don't know. They're pretty much equal in every way. It's just that -2 str is pretty negligible when you're adding 40 points to the stat anyway.

The sole reason why The Emperor made it so that the primarchs and marines were male was because it was his ideal that women should be cared for and care for their kin, while the men would fight, just as we have done since ancient history. That was the only reason.

>>53145535
>no point unless noticeable
that's exactly the point, having mixed genders generally shouldn't be a point of pride it should be the norm. No need to go showing off about it. This isn't about celebrating women or diversity or what have you. It's about recognising that one genetically engineered killing machine is more or less interchangeable with another. Honestly I'd have them still refer to each-other as brother regardless of chromosomes to demonstrate exactly how many fucks they don't give.

>>53143487
nu-marines my friend nu-marines. doesn't matter what came before. I'm saying if you're going to make nu-marines and make them gender equal do away with the genitals, it's not like marines need them for anything. Fluff it by saying that the testosterone/oestrogen interferes with the implants so they're yanked out and replaced with something more reliable.

>>53147347
A lot of dudes Marine and Mundane died during the heresy, in order to recruit quickly for the project the gender requirement needed to be circumvented. Cawl discovered that the Ossmodula and Biscopea actually worked more reliably on all test subjects when their sex organs had been removed and came with the added benefit of providing the materials for new control subjects and the selective breeding programme.
-fluff that a bit and you've got yourself a handwave

>female models will be purely pandering to SJW !
Welp, I know the brand of retard we have here.
>women are inferior
...ok.
>women make worse soldiers
Yes as far as infantry goes, but they'll be vat grown soldiers with gene engineered muscles. Any strength difference between man and women will become unnoticeable.

>There are stores that serve hamburgers, hotdogs or both all over the place

>Walk into one dedicated to hotdogs and demand a hamburger, they say sure and happily make you one anyway.

>Pitch a screaming fist throwing tantrum that they didn't immediately remove half their existing menu items, replace them with hamburgers, and force half of all patrons to order from the new hamburger menu.

>>53141885
Eh, fine. I could really care less. If we lose some grognards who are so easily offended, I wouldnt want to play with them anyways.

>>53152364
Exactly nobody is doing that.

>>53152522
Me again, always thought it was kinda stupid, anyway. Imperium is literally underutilizing their population, if you're fighting for survival, are you really going to ignore using HALF of your population?

Why not just release new plastic sisters? why do we need female space marines? just take sister heads and put on your space marine models

>>53141885

Warhammer 40k is the SINGLE piece of media that has remained untouched by the plague of "tolerance" in our society. If that is stolen, there will be nothing left.

>>53152783
this

and I also love sisters of battle. they are fucking awesome. GW just needs to release plastic sisters.

>>53152695
>are you really going to ignore using HALF of your population?
Sisters of Battle, Scions, Imperial Guard, Inquisition, Mechanicum, etc. All employ women because they can. Women can't be turned into Astartes so they don't.

But it's irrelevant since these new Marines appear to be vat grown, and as such population ratio has no influence on their frequency, and could be potentially of any gender.

>>53148891
>picking your leaders based sex/race/sexuality rather than efficiency
Probably that.

>>53152940

What if its all an elaborate troll and the new vat marines are explicitly genderless and use Xe as a pronoun?

>>53152783
>Warhammer 40k is the SINGLE piece of media that has remained untouched by the plague of "tolerance" in our society. If that is stolen, there will be nothing left.
It's not and that's one of the most retarded reasons I heard about forbidding people in the hobby from getting the models they want.

>>53152997
Who cares ? What difference would it make ? Neckbeards like to jack of to the superiority of man but Marines were always pretty much genderless outside of their pronouns and titles, not having a sex drive on interest in anything but duty. There are some exceptions like the Wolves but that's it.

It's not like the new Marines will change the old Marines - GW is sitting on a shitton of boxes of Tacticals and shit they want to still sell so they will both be kept separate. The new Marines could be their own thing, men, women, neither, both. All that would be lost is some sperg recording himself burning his army and screaming "SJW MARINES, girls ruined my hobby!".

>>53141885
I've simply never understood the call for gender diversity in space marines because it seems like anyone who would care about that would be more bothered by the setting. A world with only war where people are consumed like fuel to keep the fires of a totalitarian theocracy burning so it can continue its xenocidal march across the galaxy. That's all fine apparently.

But they they find out that within this hellscape of a setting there is band of psychotic child soldiers turned in hulking genetically mutated warrior monk zealots that also happen to be all male and suddenly that faction needs some girls in it or the setting isn't PC.

It just seems like a really arbitrary place to draw the line.

>>53153097


All trolling aside? And as much fun as it would be to mine salt? I suppose its that it gives an inch to the notion that any media attaining a sufficient level of popularity has to run down some kind of diversity checklist and purge itself of any controversial element. On the flip side I guess I'm honestly looking forward to the day that social justice starts coming full circle and I get to see seething internet rage about the lack of Asian representation in the Atlanta rap scene or something.

>>53153197
Nobody is pitching female marines for social justice or any kind of political correctness. Instead the concept has always been there since GW had that Sister Sin pic back in Rogue Trader days.

The concept has been there since the beginning (even if the Sister Sin thing was/wasn't a female marine). People started making FemMarines all the way back with beakies.

>>53151537
Except space marine candidates aren't vat grown, they're selected from the most robust children they can find, and even then most candidates don't survive the implantation process.

So yeah if anything mortality rates among fem-marines would be so fucking high why would you even bother?

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>>53141885

>female chosen

>>53145904
Men dying impacts the population growth way less than woman dying.
That's the single most important reason woman don't get sent into war.
In the 40k setting, humanity can only fight every single other faction all at the same time because we have insane population growth.
If the imperium started conscripting females and women started dying even a fraction of the usual male death toll, the impact on the population growth would be crippling.

>>53152994
Sex, race and sexuality are important factors over efficiently fucking it up.

>Sex
Men are more giving than women are. Picking women means you're leaders are likely to be more selfish, defensive, vindictive and self serving. Especially women who don't have children so have no stake in the society. Remember when invasions happen men die, women jump on a different cock. War bride mentality means female leaders are less loyal to their tribe than male leaders are by fact of biology. Pay attention to real world politics and the response to the happenings in Europe. Notice how those most willing to go along with it are female lead or have a lot of women in their cabinets.

>Race
Multiracial societies don't function well but lets assume a white guy is put in charge of an Asian country. His personal interests are to his group not the Asian group. He will instinctively go "muh DNA" which means his ability to be a good leader is hindered by his own biological desire to spread his genes and not the Asians he shares fewer genes with. He will try to build a society good for white people, as he'll be trying to build a society that would be more pleasing to himself not the other racial group.

>Sexuality
Sexuality matters more than both of the above matters. Homosexuals simply don't make children. Any leader with no investment in the next generation has less incentive to make sure a society functions well. I want my children to live in a good society vs I want to have a good time and fuck the future. And this is without going into a shit storm of the mentality homosexuality exists in.

Efficiency isn't the most important factor in a leader. It's having the best goals that is. If I'm a bus driver do you want me to get the school kids to their homes safety or do you want me to be hyper efficient at driving off cliffs?

>>53153368
The concept hasn't always been there if you understand anything about GW's fluff.

GW has always had but 1 stance. "If you want it to be canon then it is canon, to you". The universe is designed as such a cluster fuck that they're going to let you do anything you want with it. It's a setting where the truth is unknown and every narrator has a reason to lie to you. For all we know in the real 40k universe all the Space marines turned to Chaos, the Nids don't exist and the guard is made up exclusively of abhumans and robots.

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>it's a MUH female marines thread again
jesus

>>53153097
>Neckbeards like to jack of to the superiority of man
you know little or nothing about neckbeards
these were the same faggots who wanted female marines for MUH FAP APPEAL and autism
and given gw they will likely give them that, see the storm cast female.
>It's not like the new Marines will change the old Marines
>it's not like we've had threads of NUmarines will be better than old marines and Numarines are going to be stormcast.

>>53152695
>f you're fighting for survival, are you really going to ignore using HALF of your population?
REPRODUCTION.
also females do fight in the armed forces
marines only take the strongest humans they can find.
and as the old saying goes, some women are stronger then some men, no woman is stronger than all men

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>>53147720
>communist space marine cosplay.
>that bulldyke haircut
>shit

>>53154839
The whole argument is kind of irrelevant considering women are already conscripted into the Guard.

>>53156490
Not in the same amount as men.
And if they do, that's something that realistically makes no sense.
Conscripting women as much as men would destroy any population, especially in the IG case where they serve as meatshields and die like ants in every single fight. Unless they reproduce artificially via laboratories.

>>53144875
You're fucking retarded. There are around 3.5 billion women on this planet and you're trying to define a behaviour that all these people follow because they have a vagina.

>>53156612
When 40k talks about sending in billions of guard, they're not talking about billions of guard all from the same world. They're billions of guard from 10s of thousands of worlds. They're not really having any major impact on any single world's population.

If there is large-scale conscription on a planet, it's because the planet is under imminent attack and they need to fill out the PDF. Civilians aren't going to be evacuated. So it's either fight or die, regardless of gender. Having enough women for repopulation is never a major concern of any planet in the Imperium, they can always ship in more people after the battle is over.

>>53141885
No. Female marines are a retarded fetish of a few degenerates and nothing more.

>>53156758
But aren't regiments recruited from the same area?

Even so. If half of those billions were woman, there would be a significant impact in the population anyways, doesn't matter that they don't come all from the same world.

>>53156612
>Conscripting women as much as men would destroy any population
a single hive planet will have thousands of trillions of people living on it

they have so many people that they literally cannot count them, and shipping billions off to certain death is a way of making sure they don't run out of basic necessities and have to deal with mass starvation

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>>53144347
>>53142617

No reason to rock the boat. This can only end poorly.

>Emperor made male-only SM
>implying Emperor was wrong

>>53144670
Reminder:female blood angels can only fight three to five days a month. During this time they are very likely to be effected by both the chocolate thirst and the black cramps

>>53145535
The real answer would be to make it a Chaos thing. Have Fabulous Bill finish up his experiments and crank out a prototype for giggles, then some Slaaneshi Chaos lord orders a big batch so he can have an army of battle-sluts. Then one of them kills him to take his place and boom bam, amazon chaos warband, plenty of potential for successors.

Maybe have them be in one of those time-accelerate worlds near the Great Rift so they have even more time to recruit, stabilize, and expand. Then you get splinters of them branching off, going other places, forming other warbands of other gods.

And all you need for that is one female Chaos marine kit. Heck, not even that, just make a new Chaos marine kit and throw in 2 female torso bits on top of the 10 standard ones.

Then if it's really popular, have the Inquisition grab some samples and make some secret loyalist successor chapters.

>>53149164
They have wolf dicks, their human dicks fell off.

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>>53155078
>The concept hasn't always been there if you understand anything
Seriously fuck your opinion & your shitty writing style.

>>53156807
What are you? The fun police?

>>53157527
They don't even HAVE to be imperials to occupy the same idea space. The powered armor troops of the Interex weren't Imperials & had similar tech.

We're a good writer away from a faction of Kelly-087 types (HALO female Spartan). Not Cruddace or Ward.

"Marine" is more about what they do. It's more about powered armor super soldiers. SoB obviously took some cues feom the old Sister Sin pic but went in a different direction - normal humans in power armor.

>>53147720
Bueno!

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This shitshow is 150 posts deep and nobody's posted these yet?

>>53161273
>not thousand sons
>>53161284
>not space sharks
>>53161294
This one is at least accurate, she was a yiffer after all

>>53141885
If they could fix the male only issue I see no reason not to do that. If they can rebuild a scrawny little shit like Lexandro d'Arquebus into a hulking tower of muscle a bit of relative size shouldn't be an issue.

I always assumed there was some mystical quality involved with the Space Marine process, probably linked to the Emperor being a man. That could well change. It's not like Belisarius Cawl would be able to remember if he was originally male or female without looking it up after all.

A question, is the huge number of failed Space Marines a recent thing? It sounds like unnecessary grimdark to me. "Your supersoldier process kills 50% of candidates? Well, mine kills 99%! 99.99% for my superpsionic supersoldiers! HA!"

I suppose a steady decrease in survival rates could work - heck, Ultras could have a real edge if they'd stayed with procedure, done their maintenance for thousands of years and now they can recruit from a much smaller part of the absolute top candidates. Keeping society working in Ultramar as an actual strategic advantage?

>>53161724
>failure marines
Yeah that's been a thing since 2nd ed I dunno about rogue trader. Failed doesn't necessarily mean dead though. The chapter serfs are (in part) made up of the failed recruits although serf could vary from basically a servitor that happens to use from fleshy part from failed recruit up to basically a full fledged marine that rejected one or more of the implants. Not forgetting the hunters and stalkers that use bits of serf brain to act as targeting computes

>>53162119
I don't recall the chronology but Watson's _Space Marine_ was a big part of early fluff. Rogue Trader said very little, the process was described in (IIRC) Chapter Approved.

I recall early mention of "test-tube slaves" (?) used to breed glands, unsure if those were failed candidates or just selected for genetic purity and shoved in a tank forever, lol grimdark.

>>53162199
>I recall early mention of "test-tube slaves" (?) used to breed glands, unsure if those were failed candidates or just selected for genetic purity and shoved in a tank forever, lol grimdark.

GW's fluff has never been consistent but I recall seeing mention of these vat grown & basically lobotomized bodies to speed grow progenoid glands - which normally take 5 & 10yrs to grow to maturity. The idea being you could speed grow stock to make entire chapters quickly instead of waiting for normal extraction.

>>53148777
Would lady orks be Girlz or Femboyz?

>>53163455
would female orks also have a 3rd ork god called Nork

>>53142130
Why even throw in vaguely female heads? They'd probably get them shaved or have mohicans or whatever, and long hair is easy to greenstuff.

>>53156829
All of those worlds together make up trillions of people. A few billion isn't going to make a dent in the population.

Has anyone thought about how this would work out in-universe?

Like, let's say the procedure is a success and female space marines are a thing. How would most currently existing chapters react? Would female marines be integrated into their chapters, or would they form their own separate chapters? Would they be heavily scrutinized, or treated like normal Space Marines? Would it be considered heresy against the Emperor, or would it be accepted because Gulliman/someone with authority said so? Would they turn to the Sisters youths for recruits, spelling the end of the Sororitas - or in doing so causing strife by getting the Eccliesarchy pissed that they're going to lose their only military force?

Any of these ideas could be cool and a great way to make female marines not only existent, but distinct and interesting. But I doubt GW would care to go to all that work.

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>>53164247
after getting pumped full of test and GH their faces will look male anyway. Look at female body builders

>>53152783
>tfw you realize some people have came to think of 40k as their personal safe retreat against the eebul SJWs
Wew, we really live in interesting times.

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>>53152783

>>53164395
Male's safe space are vdya games and tt games
escapism is normal.
you cant kill your boss in real life so you act out aggression in fantasy medium

>>53141885
If they are changing it for the sake of diversity or inclusiveness, fuck off I don't give a shit.

If they are changing it plot-wise because it makes sense to tap the other 50% of the population to help you fight a galactic war with the fate of not only your entire species but all non-rape-disease-murder-rape-chaos-rape lifeforms, and a by-product is diversity and inclusiveness, sure go for it.

Change for the sake of change is dangerous AND stupid.

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>>53164395
>YFW you realize this is actually pro painted and has a lot of effort put into it

The rape of an eldar.
>Finally score a girl at a bar
>Hey anon lets go to your room
>Oh look metal posters on your wall... ok I can deal with that
>Oh cool you have painted army men, that's alright I guess, everyone can have a hobby.
>Oh whats this one?
>why are these men raping a woman?
>.... uhh I forgot something in the car anon... err or my oven is on, ill brb

>>53164484
It will just bite them in the ass if they try it, don't worry.
Look at the shit sales of all the recent SJW films and comics.

People want big men in power armor.
Female basketball gets 0 ratings
Female wrestling gets 0 ratings
Female superhero movies get 0 sales

If you give me females that are snipers, have technical skills etc, I can buy it. You cant have femme IG or speezmahrines though. A male would always be stronger AND have a mentality BREAD for violence.

Who is the female Genghis Khan? Oh there isn't one.

>>53164248
It's not about people dying, it's about less and less people being born.

>>53164553
If they half ass it like womens basketball & other shitty attempts at diversified marketing then if will bite them in the ass & we can all justifiably laugh.

>>53164602
What? Do you just not understand scale or something?

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>Spending more resources in making females into space marines

Literally what the fuck would be the point?
Anything a female space marine could offer a male one would be able to do twice as easy, for 10% of the cost.

Fuck off.

>>53141885
I wish the tide of 8e inspired shitposting would leave already.

>>53141885
>female marines

What is the point? Even if it happened it's not like hordes of women are going to want to play 40K because they were missing the female army they always wanted. If they were going to play they'd be playing already.

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>>53164553
>snipers
>no femme IG

Are you implying the Imperial Guard doesn't have snipers?

There's unironically nothing wrong with female Space Marines and giving people more options is almost always a good idea. Plus my gf would appreciate the ability to include a few.

>>53141885
>tall amazonian women
Yes.

>>53164553
>female superhero movies get 0 sales

Wonder Woman hasn't even come out yet.

>>53167514
>Synderverse DCEU movie
Doomed from conception.

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Well it's space marines, or newmarines anyways, so who gives a shit.

I don't mind me some beeg wimin. Besides, if they can make it make sense in lore I couldn't give a shit, more for the wank bank.

>>53167536
Exactly. It's not helping that they've stopped marketing it.

The original reply says female superhero movies don't make money, but female superhero movies haven't been made in the first place.

>>53142092
>Demons of Khorne are gonna eat out like ice cream sandwiches once your Red Rage begins

>>53166633
Self fulfilling prophecy

If you market like shit the public won't bite. Shitty & hamfisted attempts at diversity won't create diversity in your market. They'll come off as insulting & destroy what good will you've built up with them.

>>53168516
Seriously, what has there been so far? Catwoman? No shit female superheroes get no sales, no one has actually tried to make one yet.

Captain Marvel has some talent behind it at least.

>>53152783
Is this game some sort of secure locale for you?

A space of safety, as it were?

>>53155034
And your proof for literally any of these huge assertions comes in the form of which historiographical texts or empirically verifiable arguments or anything not-retarded...?

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Why should GW introduce Femarines if we have Sisters of battle who need attention? Just develop Sisters of battle more, give them Femarines experimental models, bam, everyone is happy: sister fans, "no girls allowed" grognards and people who wanted Femarines are happy.

but we all know that noone will ever be happy about that as there is only salt in the grimdarkness of the far future