40k general

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fIRST FOR nURGLE!

>>53097004
>plague marines getting somewhere first
Who else was going for it, Necrons?

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Where do the circled pieces go on the leviathan dread's cyclonic melta lance?

>>53096989

I can't even understand why people are getting worried about 8th.

Chances are it can't possibly be worse than 7th and even if it was would that really surprise you? This is GW we're talking about, you have to expect that things only get worse.

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>>53096989

Nth for Imperial Crybabies run everything

>>53097027
They just made the charge anon :^)

>>53097076
Where N=1 because only you care that much about it.

>>53097078
>nurgle marines rolling a fucking 12 on a charge
Welp, time to kill myself, I lost.

>>53097076
How will they ever recover?

>m-muh gullyman crusade
>i-imperator vult

Can't crusade if there's a moat made of hellfire that :blocks your path: :^)

DRONES! Why have you not liked my post about nameing an ant colony after the imperium? I shall crush your skulls! https://youtu.be/JXfGpy5hJkI

>>53097100
You understamite the power of bad writing!

>>53097064
It's the 6th /7th fags who have no context on how awful the game was.

>>53097167
Indeed all this 40kids having less than two decades of wargaming have no taste

>>53097167

I never thought I'd look back on 4th with fond memories but here we are.

I kind of hope 8th is a disaster, at least then some community projects will step up to the plate. We will never had decent rules while the people who write them also make the models.

Well, today my largely primed or unpainted Skitarii (haven't had much free time for the last couple months) went up against some rather nice Red Scorpions. Anyone up for a 1k batrep? I remembered to take a couple photos.

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>>53097327

Go for it.

>>53097327
Post away.

>>53097190
I liked 4th. It was truly beer and pretzel type of game where everything was really abstracted. I wish the codex of the time had better production value, but whatever.

>>53097327
Are you saying you want to put at least vaguely interesting stories on the 40k general instead of constant whining? What a dick.
please do

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Reminder
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/06/new-warhammer-40000-war-zone-cadia-may6gw-homepage-post-4/

also poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/12908554

>>53096989
>"Tyranid 6th edition will be awesome stop crying fags."

>last week: shitposting against xenofags
>this week: shitposting against imperialfags

Jeez, I wonder who might be behind the influx of ms paints images.

>>53097551
I'm hoping for a push and pull type thing. Chaos wins by destroying Cadia and splitting the galaxy in half. Imperium pushes back by reviving Guilliman, turning Cadia into a space fortress and creating NuMarines. Then the Daemon Primarchs leave their planets to finish their unfinished business with Guilliman. Then the other loyalist Primarchs come back.

And then, Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

>>53097052
There's a small area on the back of the shoulders on the leviathan for those pieces, gun arms use just the little vent, melee weapons have a cable that attached to the back of the arm

What I did since I magnetized the arms was I attached the vent pieces to the shoulders then using a hairdyer bent the cables for the arm weapons so that they would tuck into a gap right above the "elbow"

>>53097327
Pretty please.

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>>53097370
>>53097383

OK then.

So we both brought fairly standard lists, I wanted to throw in a little melee and he went for no vehicles at all.

AdMech:
Skitarii Maniple:
10 Vanguard, Omnispex, 3 Plasma Calivers and Pater Radium because spare 20 pts.
5 Rangers, Omnispex
5 Infiltrators, Omniscient Mask
Dunecrawler, Neutron + Extra Stubber

Allied Detachment:
Dominus with Eradication Ray and Conversion Field
3 Kataphron GravStroyers, Phosphor Blasters

Red Scorpions:
10-man Tactical Squad with Grav/Combigrav and Missile Launcher, Combat Squadded the usual way.
7 Sternguard and ML2 Geomancy Librarian in a pod, mix of combi-plasma and combi-meltas.
5 Bikers with gravs, ML2 Librarius Libby Warlord on bike with them.
5 Devs, 2 Lascannon 2 Grav-Cannon with Amps

Both of us basically took our 1850 lists and knocked off 850, which is why they look a little wierd.

He rolled up the Fury of the Ancients (S6 AP4 Pinning 20" Beam) and Null Zone (-2 to Invulns) on the Librarius, and Warp Quake (d6 S6 hits on units in a terrain piece) and Twisting Worldscape (Move terrain 24") on the Geomancer. A tad unlucky, there. WTs were nothing interesting.

I didn't photograph deployment, but I stuck the Kataphrons in a ruin in front of the Crawler, the Dragoons behind another building and not Scouting while the Infiltrators hid inside it, the Rangers on an objective and the Dominus leading the Vanguard straight up the middle.
He deployed the Missile combat squad onto the top of a ruin with Objective 3, the devs and other tacs onto a long ruin in his deployment and the bikes in front, in a line.

Turn 1, he Null Zoned the Dominus' squad and shot everything into him, but some lucky LoS and Feel No Pain on the Skitarii meant he got out of it on two wounds and four dead Skittles, including the Alpha and Omnispex.
The Sternguard landed right on the board edge and shook the Kataphrons up inside their ruin, then lit them up with Combi-Plasma for first blood. He saved the Meltas.

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First for Yvraine Queen regent of the Imperium of Man

CADIA MAY HAVE BROKEN; THE GUARD, HAVE NOT.

>Poised around the Eye sits a force of Space Marines rivalling that of the Legions of old, entire Knight Households, and of course, the orphans of Cadia themselves – more than 200 regiments of Astra Militarum shock troops eager for vengeance.

At this moment, Abaddon realized he dun fucked up.

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>>53097723
His Bike Libby had hit perils with Null Zone, losing a wound and the ability to cast it again, which was again very lucky on my part.

The Dunecrawler, despite no Doctrinas in effect, earned himself the Omnissiah's favour with the best shot he's ever made, killing five Sternguard and the Librarian in a blinding burst of Cherenkov radiation. The Dragoons swung around and impaled the two remaining Sternguard into their own pod, despite a melta blast only just saved on the Incense Cloud.
Dominus Xander Treides sealed his torso plating with his cutting torch and began chanting the Canticle of Binharic Omniscience, calming the machine spirits of the plasma and allowing them to drop two of the bikes and the Rangers nailed another one, before one of the remaining Carbine Vanguard bullseyed the remaining two with a strafing burst of fire. He has been recommended for promotion to Alpha.

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>>53097842
>more than 200 regiments of Astra Militarum shock troops eager for vengeance.
>carnac argued that pretty much all cadians died in the events of fall of cadia

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CHOOSE
YOUR
ALLIANCE

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How will GW ruin Sanguinius' sacrifice?

So does 8th starter box release 17.5?

>>53097880
He is the Saguinor gold guy?

Does anyone have any good names for a Slannesh chaos space marine warband?

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>>53097880
with ward's spawn becoming a complete reincarnation

>>53097911
Cenobites

>>53097723
That Marine army seems pretty bad, curious to see how it works out.

>>53097675
Ah got it, thanks. I got 2 of each arm (except for the grav, I don't play 30k) so I'll have to figure out how to make em all interchangeable. I'll try that out.

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>>53097731
>Queen regent of the Imperium of Man

STOP RIGHT THERE, YOU XENOS HARLOT!

>>53097992
If that's your magical realm then whatever, have fun.

>>53097871
No, I did not. Stop making things up. All what's been said in fall of Cadia is that there are only 2 million of them left and they are the only hope for the legend of Cadia and its bloodline to survive.

Unlike you, I don't make things up.

>>53097880

The absolute worst they can do is bring him back just to sell a model

But it won't happen Baal is going to get destroyed and the BA squatted

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>>53097911
>The Barbed Fists
>The Transgressors
>The Painrpetrators
>The Degenderanged
>The Fifty of Gib't

Is there a good way to run an Imperial Guard force with lots of Shotgun Vets without going full mechanized?

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>>53097864
The remaining Biker Librarian decided discretion was indeed the better part of valour and retreated behind the improvised gunline fort, channeling the Emperor's Wrath against the flickering battle armour of the Sicarians, which did an excellent job of attenuating the blast that flared through the ruins.
The Missile Launcher slammed a second shot into the side armor of the Dunecrawler, but again failed to penetrate, while the Devastators lit up the Dragoons, crushing one with the green beams of Grav-Cannon. More slashed against the Dominus striding forward through the gunsmoke, but his haloed Conversion Field turned them aside harmlessly.

The Skitarii didn't even seem to realise they were under fire, the Infiltrators content to remain ducked down inside their bunker (because I entirely forgot about them, embarrassingly) while occasional Galvanic Rifle fire did little to discourage the Marines manning the barricades, wounds sealed with the flick of a Narthecium. Neutron and Eradicator blasts pummeled the right battlements, sending two Devastators staggering back with their armour scoured of colour but no lasting damage.

>>53098051
Wait till 8th.

>>53098037
>blood angels have been one step from chaos with all the weird lore about them trying to fix the defect
>black rage is spreading
>all chapters being recalled to Baal for a full legion force, all the blood angels in one place
>mass slaughter of blood angels and their homeworld by tyranids

If the old rumor of one falling to chaos and another turning loyal, then Sanguinius/Sanguinor with his weird living saint style existence could be a thing. Though it would just be world eaters 2, electric boogaloo

>>53097911
The Beloved

>>53098051

I doubt it and I doubt that 8th will really change that. They'll need some form of transport, doubly so if you're giving them shotguns.

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>>53097911

Perfect Sons
Sons of Perdition
The Anointed Ones

>>53098051
Elysian Drop Troops have deep strike across the board if you're that desperate to not take transports.

>>53097136
This is scary true

>>53097100
This is the second time you posted the same post in reply to the same post. I call samefag.

>>53098051
Well, you're going to want some of them mechanised (or airborne) to get onto objectives. I guess the rest can act as counter-assault units or something. Probably going to want a fair number of heavy firepower units to make up for the lack of lasguns, but fortunately you've got loads to choose from.

The only thing shotguns offer over lasguns is the ability to charge after shooting, so you want to be ready to do that. Probably best to take quite a few units which can assist with that, because guard close combat is pretty anemic. Ogryns, bulgryns, rough riders and characters are about all you have. Of those, rough riders are actually likely to be the best simply for the ability to get where you need them. Might want to take some allies to make up for what you don't have. Skitarii are fairly decent; vanguard give you some more brutal close-range shooting and the ability to drop enemy T in close combat, while secutari and dragoons are fast and deadly. There's probably some shit in imperial agents that works well too and might be a bit more fitting for your style.

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>>53098075
The missile operator changed target, but had no more success as the projectile did little more than scorch the armour of the last Dragoon. Grav-amps and Lascannon brought down a Sicarian as they finally advanced, and two Skitarii plasma gunners fell to bolter fire and grav-guns.

With some of their famously precise aim finally restored, the Crawler and Vanguard again strafed the battlements, and the Apothecary grabbed the man he was treating and dived off the walkway as the other three battle-brothers were reduced to bone fragments and bleached Ceramite shards. The Rangers continued to attempt suppressing fire, but with only two Skitarii able to see their adversaries it was no more effective than last time.

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>>53098273
The Devastators slagged the actuators in the Dunecrawler's left legs, pinning it in place in plain sight of the other Tactical team, who once again failed to damage the armour plating. A psychic blast of energy slashed across the Infiltrators advancing through the ruin reducing one to chopped meat.

The Dominus continued his steady advance, macrostubber rattling across ceramite as his squad changed direction and fired on the Devastators, killing two. The Dunecrawler failed to adapt to reduced fire arc and missed completely, burning a neat hole through a ruined forge across the street from his target. The remaining Infiltrators eventually cleared the ruins, but charged into a volley of fire from the entrenched Devastators, downing all but the Alpha.

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Nth for the GreaterKnights; riven from the broodmind and rededicated to the glorious Ordo Malleus as the perfect psyker-soldier.

>>53098085
>>53098101
>>53098133
>>53098237
That's about what I expected. I'll probably wait and see if 8th changes things, but I may just need to go with lots of Chimeras.

The reason I'm hesitant is because I wanted a more feral/feudal world style guard army, and I'm not sure massed vehicles fits that

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>play tournament today
>roll so badly and get so ROFLstomped because of it that I'm too annoyed and disappointed to even take pictures despite wanting to do a BatRep

I suppose losing 1/3rd of your army turn 1 for 3 matches in a row does that to you.

>>53097911
The Perfected
Penetration Nation
The Aristocrats
The Decadent
Euphoric
The Gelded

>>53098389
Eldar, Tau, or did they go full skyhammer on you?

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>>53098169
Phonefag, but no samefag. Just bored and baiting. Will post more proof in a sec

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>>53098420

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>>53098389
Hah, sounds like any of the games I play. My marines have so little succesfull hits and saves every game it always feels like I'm playing Orks with ATSKNF.

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>>53098389
>Play casual game against friends Elysians
>He's using a Sky Talon to proxy an Avenger, something he's wanted to try using for the longest time.
>Turn 3 it arrives, does no damage and dies to when my Predators autocannon causes crash and burn.

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>>53098291
The Librarian finished off the disgraced Sicarian with another beam as the remaining Tacticals formed up next to him and opened fire from the ornate windows, now chipped and splintered from crude solid-munition machine guns and Galvanic Rifles. The other Tactical Squad fired yet another ineffectual missile before the Dunecrawler fired again, forcing them down but unharmed. A lascannon beam finally downed the Dragoon running across the roof, sending it crashing through the durasteel plate.

Dominus Treides smashed through the weakened door of the barricaded building, Eradication Ray burning away the Librarian's torso as the corpse slumped down against his bike. The remaining Tactical attempted to flee as the plasma caliver followed suit, but barely made it past the edge of the ruin before the Skitarius fired.
The Apothecary, turning to meet the Techpriest in combat took a Power Axe swing to the torso, Narthecium swinging up instinctively to seal the worst of the damage before he collapsed, sys-an membrane taking effect.

>>53098414
Game 1 was a deep-striking Dreadnought roasting my entire PlasCal Skitarii unit and one of my Kataphron units running 12" off the board after losing 1 dude.

Game 2 was Tau hiding in the farthest corner on deployment out of reach and then jumping forward, also cleaning the PlasCal unit and a Kataphron unit and proceeding to outgun me from there.

Game 3 was Smashfucker Deathstar roasting the PlasCal unit with a Land Speeder and clearing one of my Kataphron units with a direct hit Orbital Strike.

Nobody had any real fun playing any of those matches because all of them were absolutely decided by turn 2 and I was lucky if I killed more than 2 units.

>>53097911
Just make a haiku.

>>53098469
thought his base was a poker chip

>>53098356
I feel like someone has done the "Grey Knights are GSC's" thing before.

>>53098429
>give Skitarii BS7
>roll 15 shots
>results in 6 hits
>not a single wound
AMAZING GAMEPLAY

>>53098493
Heh, that luck. Reminds me of when a friend and I jumped on TTS to play eldar vs orks for shits and giggles. I managed to roll so bad and he lucked out with so many card draws for objectives that while I still managed to do more damage pointwise it was a complete tactical victory for the orks. I avoided scat bike spam but holy fuck I got pushed into a corner with his bikers and the tarpit game was real.

All in all it was pretty satisfying because the horrendous rolls turned it into a pretty interesting game. I just wish that I got actual useful objective cards that game. Fuck that card that requires holding literally every objective.

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>>53096989
>Brings a Titan formation to a "narrative" game
>T 20
>W 50
>SV 2+
>each
>Opponent sends fabious bile into combat with them
>he hits first due to assaulting
>hits
>wounds on 6+ (because everything can do that in 8th
>I fail my save
>His weapon is Instant Death
>Remove Titan from the field
>Remove other 2 Titans after failing battle shock

Let's go 8th!

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>NuMarines are called Primaris Marines
>Guilliman started the Primaris Marines project back during the heresy to combat chaos-infused Traitors because normal marines were losing ground vs chaos-powered brethren
>They are Bobby G's geneseed crossed with methods of making Custodes and added AdMech Tech
>only Cawl and Bobby G knew of the project
>Thousands of Primaris Marines we created and stored on different worlds across galaxy in cryo-pods ready for deployment(remember the teaser video)
>Fulgrim vs Guilliman happened and the Primaris Marines were never launched
>Cawl didn't want to launch them without the word of Bobby G
>Cawl's actual main objective was to get these marines to launch, but the objective of rezzing Guilliman came first
>These marines are to help bolster chapters that are low in numbers
>Some will reject the Primaris Marines as abominations because they are not made with X Primarch's geneseed
>potentially cause a rift in the Imperium

Gamewise:
>They are THE answer to Truescale marines without replacing the entire range(and pissing off customer base), so they can be used as Truescales OR Primaris Marines
>Primaris Marines can be fielded along side other Space Marines
>Primaris Marines can be fielded as a standalone force
>More points heavy than GK
>Primaris Marines have exclusive access to some new weapons
>1 type of weapon per squad, so all 5 guys get the same weapon
>The Starter set is Ultras VS Death Guard (You do get Primaris Marines, too.)
>Starter set should include roughly 56 models
>Under $150 USD
>5 Books at launch, Space Marines, Imperium, Chaos, Xenos 1, and Xenos 2, each serving as a printed compendium of the "all released at once" rules update for 8th with faction exclusive updates coming later

Source: local blackshirt

>>53098359
>The reason I'm hesitant is because I wanted a more feral/feudal world style guard army, and I'm not sure massed vehicles fits that

A lot of the imperium has high and low tech side-by-side. Knights are some of the most advanced warmachines produced by man, but they come from worlds which are distinctly medieval.

So maybe try to find ways to make your vehicles look like they are crewed by primitives rather than remove them altogether? Wooden pallisades for gun shields, lots of candles and torches, wooden barrels rather than fuel drums, that kind of thing. Maybe have them decorated with heraldic symbols. Steal some shields and accessories from fantasy kits.

>>53098612
yeah thats totally how its going to happen

>>53098612
>Hurr, look at me trying to mix 7th and 8th rules to show how 8th is retarded!

>>53098638
>neomarines have presumably different (and superior) stats to normal marines
eugh

>>53098656
>>53098658

Stop giving him (you)s, and he'll eventually get bored.

>>53098638
So the assualt, devastator, captain and librarian rumoured to be in the starter are not likely to be Primaris?

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>>53098469
Well, that was that. Had to go get dinner for five mins there. Slightly wish the Infiltrators had actually done anything other than soaking up all the convenient S6 AP4 powers, but whatever. Ended in an Admech victory by three points, thanks to the Rangers and Dunecrawler sitting on objectives all game, despite the Rangers killing literally one bike. Dominus was a star, tanked fucking everything even with Null Zone. I realize why Grav is so scary now, never really had to fight it in volume before.

I feel bad for the Missile Tactical. Got five consecutive hits and then failed pen rolls against AV12 and AV11, someone loaded his launcher with duds. He tanked two turns of Dunecrawler shooting (I need more of them if that's how they're going to perform consistently, what with the oneshotting 5 Sternguard and a Libby), and never missed a shot, so it's clearly not his fault.

>>53098521

Nah, just painted a cog on there messing about one day. He was my second model ever, so I didn't really know about basing them. When the whole army is done I'm going to base them all at once, but getting rid of all that ugly primer and plastic is first priority.

>>53098638
brool cory, sto.

>>53098689
Screencap it then, son. Make a meme out of me if I'm wrong.

>>53098638
Blackshirts get told almost nothing. Looks like guesswork to me.

>>53098493
I had a really rough game as demons right before the 6th ed codex came out. It was a mirror match. My opponent wins the right to force me to go first (fuck), the wrong half of my army is forced to deploy first(fuck), my deepstrikes almost all scatter poorly with my opponent getting to choose where to place 2 units(fuck), since my opponent has 0 units on board my army does fuck all turn 1. Opponents turn 1 they get the right half of their army(fuck), none of their units scatter at all, and they alphastrike off everything but 2 squads.

T2 nothing of mine comes in, my units retreat and I have to pray my opponent whiffs on rolls to avoid getting tabled. My opponent gets the rest of his army in T2, I am reduced to a single Horror(T3 4++ model) who manages to pass like 4 saves in a row.

Game was basically over from there.

>>53098663
We already knew this about the Guillicast Eternals. GW's made no secret of it.

>>53098702
It's what he said he "could feed to me". May 20, June 3, June 10, June 17, and June 24th are ALL big release days.

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>>53098700
>M-make me immortal!
You are not worthy of our gifts.

>>53098727
May 27th*, not 20th.

>>53098612
How many of these are you going to post?

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>>53096989
>8th will be awesome
I've seen nothing to sway me from a stance of very cautious optimism. Especially since the Sigmarines rumors are real.

So guard are officially stuck. No reboot. Same characters. Only trying to retake cadia. I won't be too hyped for 8th until I see something promising about guard. Most rules actually fuck them over too. Only good rule is maybe falling back from CC to shoot.

>>53098702
nnnot exactly

Depends on the size of the release and the personal network of the blackshirt in question. This is a major release only a month out. It won't be long before some stores get their copies of shit to get ready before release.

And if they've got even a tangential connection to head office (and, you know, a good reputation for keeping their fuckin' mouths shut), they'll know this stuff months in advance.

>>53098773
>No reboot
new model line for plastic steel legion when we hit armageddon and the release of angry ron and Margaret

>>53098773
If we keep saying 'Steel Legion plastics when', maybe we'll get our wish.
Though, I'd settle for Catachan being back in stock.

>>53098612
He posted it again, the absolute madman.

>>53098793
Wtf are you going on about?

Do you think we'll get the transcendent C'tan back in the new ruleset?

>>53098844
the next big warzone teased was armageddon. It is thus not to crazy to think that GW might release plastic steel legion. They wont, because GW hates all things good in their universe, but there is still hope.

>>53098542
Last game I played my GK paladins were dying to cultists. With just autoguns. They even had a apothecary ...

>>53098844
We're assuming - hoping - that increased action on Armageddon that they're fluffing up means that we'll get some sort of release related to it. Supposedly, CSM are showing up to the fight, which means we're getting Angron. (Not sure who Margaret is, is that part of Ghazkull's name?) And in theory, that would be when we get our new Plastic IG.
>tfw Guard player but still sad about Cadia not going boom because I thought we'd phase out their look for a while.

>>53098878
They need to do this. Creed is dead/Mia. Yarrick will probably fill. Which is also dumb because he's played out at this point and Killy IG chars are counter to what the faction actually does

>>53098773
AFAIK guard seem to benefit from the rules. Nu leadership skullfucks multiwound models but is otherwise old fearless and guard are W1. You get to leave combat and shoot so you can hose melee armies. Guard arent effected significantly by the loss of formations because they can take like 5x as many units as everyone else anyway. Guard vehicles MIGHT be worse off due to loss of AV but on the other hand you can't get exploded with like 5 meltaguns AND MCs have no way of killing even a single Leman Russ in combat, let alone a squad(Dreadnoughts are AV12 HP3 and got T7 W8, leman Russ are AV14)

Just assume for a moment that your tanks all got the statline of a dreadnought for defenses. You would actually be harder for an MC to kill that ever before

A daemon prince has what, 5 attacks? and he'll be wounding on 5s or worse and hitting on 3s so assuming he rolls perfectly it will take a minimum of 2 rounds of combat to kill a single vehicle.

>>53098878
>It is thus not to crazy to think that GW might release plastic steel legion.
I don't even play guard and I would fucking cream myself if they did this and probably start a guard army on the side.

>>53098905
>Not sure who Margaret is, is that part of Ghazkull's name?
There's a meme that Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka was named after Margaret Thatcher but it's been clarified that it was generated randomly on an ork name table.

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>>53098638
>inb4 my Black Templars can't use either Libs nor Primaris Marines
>inb4 their Chapter Tactics are still not nearly strong enough to make up for it

EBIN

>>53098638
I can assure you /tg/ that I have spoken personally with Mr. Workshop and he has told me with great vigor that this post is "Hootenanny".

In related news he has also told me that Mr. Guilliman is actually seven grots in a set of power armor. That's why the model comes with a helmet.

Do not trust this poster. He is likely several grots in a neckbeard suit.

>>53098866
I think we'll get the Monolith back:

>High T and good save, over a dozen wounds (basically land raider statline)
>No more deep strike scatter, so no stupid mishaps
>Eternity gate lets you bring guys up from the back line still (hopefully)
>Can move and fire all weapons properly

I'm so ready.

>>53098972
Just use the vanilla marine codex you special snowflake.

>>53098638
This all sounds really dumb and bad

If any dawn of war fans are here, please bless our general with more blood, thank you and emperor bless
>>>/vg/176056627

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>Deepstrike terminators
>lose one to lascannon
>squad dies to battleshock

>>53098612
>Brings a Titan formation to a narrative game
> - is a cuck

>>53099016
Battleshock is only in melee you fuckbucket.

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>>53098913
Oh, Commissars have a pretty good kill rating, anon.

>>53099023
what? that's not true at all, is it?

>>53098804
>If we keep saying 'Steel Legion plastics when', maybe we'll get our wish

Yeah, 'cause that worked for SoB

>>53099004
Fuck off with your bad game.

>>53098997
Jokes on you, we've been for a few editions.

>>53099023
"The mechanics are simple – any units that suffered casualties in a turn must take a Morale test at the end of it. You just roll a D6, add the number of models from the unit that have been slain, and if the number is bigger than the unit’s Leadership, the unit loses the difference in additional models."

>>53099016
>lose 1 model
>D6+1 -Leadership = battleshocked models
>Terminators have Leadership 8

Yeah, no.

>>53099023
>>53099030

Battleshock is only at the end of the turn in 40k. You can lose 99% of your unit and still do something with them before the turn ends and the rest gets battleshock'd.

>>53099039
We can all cry together.
Over Brettonia's grave.

>>53098928
Oh! I forgot the removal of initiative. This benefits low I armies and is brutal on high I armies. Think of like a keeper of secrets with I10 or eldar, slaanesh stuff in general. No I means that powerfist is going to fuck shit up in a guard blob and there's nothing 'fast' armies can do about it.

Initiative was essential for the glass cannony stuff. Now even a random guard sergeant has really good odds of killing a space marine sergeant or say - an eldar autarch(not that everyone didn't just take farseers anyway).

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>>53097878

This is still a thing?

>>53099064
>Think of like a keeper of secrets with I10
Have "always strikes first no matter what" special rule.

>No I means that powerfist is going to fuck shit up in a guard blob and there's nothing 'fast' armies can do about it.
Unwieldy weapons still have a drawback we haven't been told about other than that it exists.

>>53099070
Eh, only so many shitpost images, eventually you recycle. I expect to see the lovely young tween couple showing up to freak people out again soon.
Though, I figured we'd be onto reeee-ing about Cadia being dead-not-dead.

>>53099064
they already said that slaanesh would get stuff to get to go first, that unwieldy weapons would still go later, and in general high I armies are also high M which gives them a much easier time getting off the charge on their opponent versus the other way around.

>>53099039
Plastic greatcoat guardsmen is actually a longer standing meme rumour than plastic sisters of battle.

>>53099086
>Though, I figured we'd be onto reeee-ing about Cadia being dead-not-dead.

That was last thread.

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>>53099086

>>53099041

It's all the Dawn of War games you fucking idiot. Dawn of War GENERAL.

>>53099119
Oh okay, in that case, fuck off with your vidya shilling, but enjoy your sort-of-good DoW1-with-mods.

>>53099136

It'd be a lot more enjoyable if people actually were talking about it.

>>53099106
I hope this image gets so crowded in shitty edits it becomes impossible to recognise the original photo

>>53098612
Despite the fact that this is bait, I'm still going to illuminate all the things wrong with it for people who are just joining us and have no idea what the rules in 8th are:

>Brings a Titan formation to a "narrative" game
Formations no longer exist, and narrative games don't mean "unbalanced games where you can do whatever you want", that's Open games

>Opponent sends fabious bile into combat with them
>he hits first due to assaulting
>hits
>wounds on 6+ (because everything can do that in 8th
We don't know everything Wounds on a 6+, it could be like SWA where you need to roll a 6 and then the 6's need a second roll of 4+ or more to stick.

>His weapon is Instant Death
No longer a thing, weapons can deal multiple Wounds per hit or even Mortal Wounds which ignore saves and don't need to roll to Wound, but you'll never be removing a 10+ Wounds model in one hit with anything.

>Remove other 2 Titans after failing battle shock
Not even remotely how battleshock works. Titans aren't going to be squadroned together and even if they were they're not going to have a Leadership lower than 7.

>>53099186
And then becomes the new 40k general OP image.

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>>53099106
Do you really get blocked for posting even the edited version with nids?

>>53099239
comparing nids to nigs is offensive and needs to stay on /pol/

>>53099082
Keeper of Secrets do not have ASF in AoS, nor do any of the High-I characters I looked at. Yes they could/did have it, along with all Elves and Daemonettes in WHFB 8th.
it was completely removed from all units that had it.

>>53099082
Since the units with ASF don't have it in AoS it is unreasonable to assume that they will magically make ASL in 40k.

>>53099088
ASF does not exist on Daemons in AoS. you might have +1" charge but you will not be getting rules for that.

You further can't say that they will get different rules as the Daemons 6e/8e books literally made both rulesets identical until AoS gave them new profiles. That would be like saying that Iron Hands are going to have S5 T5 standard statlines. It makes literally 0 sense.

>>53099239
No the block was from the other night when the genestealer cult slut was posting almost-nudes and some butthurt janitor got mad.

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>>53098638
As a Dark Angel player, I doubt we'll get some fluff wise. I can't see Dark Angels sharing or borrowing from anyone. I guess Gulliman may make some using the Lions since he is the only Primarch whose whereabouts is known really. And since Lion is the next loyal primarch to come to plastic after Mortarion.

>>53099290
>Keeper of Secrets do not have ASF in AoS, nor do any of the High-I characters I looked at.
Didn't Slaanesh get squatted in AoS? In any case the article in the Fight phase literally stated KoS have a special rule to always hit first.

>it is unreasonable to assume that they will magically make ASL in 40k.
Not everything is being ported straight from sigmar and they already confirmed there is a penalty to using unwieldy weapons. Considering that fast weapons like Whips are said to have ASF then precedent is already there for slow heavy ones doing the opposite.

>>53099309
thanks doc

>>53099319
>Didn't Slaanesh get squatted in AoS?

No, just missing, all the daemons and mortal followers are around and either trying to replace Slaanesh or find it.

It's tied into a story with the Aelves and their gods kidnapping Slaanesh.

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CELEBRATE WITH ME BROTHERS!
CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF FORMATIONS!

>>53099345
>tfw can't make "kidnapped and raped" jokes because Slaanesh would be the one molesting its kidnappers

D'aw.

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>>53099357
FUCK DAEMONS AND THEIR STUPID FORMATIONS YOU FUCKERS CAN SPEND AN ENTIRE THREAD SHIPOSTING ABOUT RIPTIDES, BUT A FORMATION OF TWO FMC'S REROLLING 1'S WITH INSANE PSYKER POWERS ISN'T SO BAD

FUCK DAEMONS, LONG LIVE THE DEATH OF FORMATIONS!

>>53099357

You know how in Apocalpyse and AoS you had to -pay- for formation benefits in points?

I want that.

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>>53099357
This is the one formation I am legitimately going to miss.

Shit was fun as fuck and balanced itself out by how much it cut down your number of units.

>>53099290
>ASF does not exist on Daemons in AoS
It says in the fight article they put out that slaanesh will get something that lets them strike first. I'm not speculating, I'm repeating what GW has actually said.

On facebook someone specifically asked them whether or not unwieldy weapons will be able to strike first and GW said there would be "some penalty" that they did not elaborate on.

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>>53097551

>And now, I finally take my revenge upon Fenris, and OUCH, LOGAN, STOP! I'M SORRY!

>Maybe I can try to invade Terra using Guilliman to- OUCH, GUILLIMAN! STOP! I'M SORRY!

>Bwahahaha! You thought all I was there for revenge!? It was all so I could teleport my planet into Imperial space! From here, we will have an unprecedented advantage to... What's that? A warp rift has just opened up? Across the entire galaxy?

My opinion of Magnus has fallen quite a bit lately.

>>53099378
They literally locked her up in a dungeon and milked her for elf souls.

>>53099381
Daemons are strongest in CAD, their formations tend to the mediocre with a couple exceptions that aren't much better than straight CAD.

Tzeentch and Malefic Daemonology are getting fucked up hard though, which were the actual problems.

>>53099412
Man, Fantasy Slaanesh is a wimp.

>>53099001
Really? Seems much more palatable to me. Means you can't make thousands of marines at the push of a button.

>>53099402
Whips. It's gonna be whips.

And maybe perfume too in the case of Slaanesh daemons. Or the raw power of boobs.

>>53099393
Personally it's that and the Holy Requisitioner that I'm sad for - Skitarii Maniple will probably just be either an alt force org or allow us to take Enginseers or Domini for CAD equivalents, but I'll miss Scout and Crusader to give us the mobility we really needed and deepstriking troops for flanking. Hey, we may even get some new shit if that Mars End Times thing was correct, hopefully we don't just get slaughtered as normal.

>>53099408
Magnus has always been pathetic. That's why Ahriman is the guy who gets shit done. Who made the rubric in an attempt to fix the mutation issues of the thousand sons? Who is out there doing shit trying to bring about change? And which one spent 10k years in a tower crying over how the emperor got pissed when he lied to the emperor and rekt the emperor's webway project, letting a jillion demons into the imperial palace?

>>53099426
Have you seen the Khorne formations from Fenris? I could barely kill a bloodcrusher with my GK. Anything larger than a cavalry daemon is out of the question for being able to be killed by my GK. Between retarded luck and good statlines, my Dreadknights have never killed a single greater daemon except for 1 or 2 Soul Grinders across a ton of matches.

>>53099412
That mental image alone is worth at least three faps.

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>>53099357
FORMATIONS ARE DEAD
LONG LIVE NOT!FORMATIONS

>>53099486
Simultaneosly. Saanesh deserves nothing less.

>>53099507
The sign of the Aquilla is a cute.

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>>53099486
>>53099515
>3
>not 6

Do you even indulge in excess?

>>53098390
>the aristocrats
yes

>>53099408
Don't worry

He will be retconned to have worked his magick all along for the aperture of the rift without anyone knowing

it was all just as planned, of course

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>>53099529
The comet was more kawaii

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>>53099507

THE THUMBS ARE SUPPOSE TO BE HOOKED NOT FLAT AGAINST EACH OTHER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53099451
Yeah, those two formations always seemed like some of the best uses of the entire Formation concept and the kind of things they are supposed to be used for. Really hope they'll offer some way to field units in a way that changes their play style and usage a lot like these did.
The main issue I always had with a majority of formations was that they didn't force you to use the units any different from what you normally do with them and just had you field stuff that played exactly the same as without the Formation but got free rules.

>>53099408

That's how being a Tzeentch worshipper works.

Come up with a complicated plan, grandstand and brag, fail horribly, pick a minor side goal you achieved and brag how it was your plan to do that all along and the main plan was clearly a distraction.

>>53097136
Underrated post.

>>53099640

Praise be to Yevon.

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Hey Imperium cunts!

My eyes are open.

>>53099357
>the entire traitors hate/traitor legions book is now invalidated
:(

>>53099564
Wow the nips sure do love drawing sigmarites
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=1&tags=v_over_eye

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>>53099239
The trigger happy mod is back, we are in dark times.

>>53099296
Almost nude? It was simple underboob.

Hell I've gotten ban for posting Sisters Famulous legs. There is a mod that hates women, Musulman, beta male or a combination of those.

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>>53099753

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>>53099768

>>53099803
S-Sauce?

>>53099640
if they were flat in the picture the thumb would reach further

it doesn't, they aren't

In 8th ed Tyranids and Leman Russ tanks will finally be great again

>>53099803
whore

>>53099646
Emperor's Wrath was cool though, right?

>>53099803
>muh prostitutes
Enjoy your ban.

>>53099809
... Is that guy pretending to hold an invisible cat ?

>>53099848
disregard this post
it was done by an idiot

>>53099880
It's a religious bow/way of saying hello in FFX

>>53099843
Young Vietnamese Girl Jenny, everything is behind a paywall. If you can find something better be my guest.

>>53099860
I know she is not wearing pants! Since it an Ao dai, and those have pants

>>53099874
To be fair it was just used under a Sister Famolous thread it was already whore and super salty bolter bitches.

>>53099737
That's how everything Chaos works, really. Unless you go full Khorne, killing for the sake of it is a rather one-dimensional thing.

>>53099898
>>53099880

It does however originate from miming holding a ball for their weird water Quiddich mess.

>>53098638
Lol this sounds like it could actually happen.

>>53099266
can I do it because I'm Turkish and we used to enslave white people, therefore I can only offend white people?

>>53097136

>if something happens in the story that I dont like its bad writing

grow up

>>53099981
It's specifically the pose for "victory"

So did they just forget about the Nids on their way to come and nom nom on my Blood angels?

>>53100003
You can do it because turks have the good sense not to give a fuck about how much they're offending people's feelings.

>>53100003
Well, us white people also enslaved white people at some point. It was actualy seen as quite normal in ancient Greece and the Roman Empire.
But Black people also enslaved other black people. And the yellows ones weren't much better either ...
Pretty much everybody enslaved everybody at one point or another. More proof that all humans are equal one can hardly ask for, lol.

Dark Eldar aren't that much off from what we're up to ...

>>53100003
HOL UP
YOU BE SAYIN
WE WUZ SLAVERS N SHIT?

>>53098878

I would no joke start a Guard army if they gave us plastic Steel Legion. Guard needs something other than the Cadians or Catachans. The Cadians were fine for their time, but look awfully dated in the modern GW era, and the Catachans are too much of a meme.

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>>53098121
praise be to Leviathan

peace through pain

order through chaos

>>53100099
I remember reading something about how if romaj slaces had children, then those children weren't slaves. Or was it greeks?
Idunno, one of those old empires.

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>>53099737
So basically Armless the Harmless with his Black Crusade:

>1st, Imperial pyrrhic victory
>2nd, Imperial victory
>3rd, Tactical Chaos defeat, strategic objective achieved. (We lost everything but lol secretive objective victory)
>4th, Imperial victory
>5th, Chaos victory (Only one)
>6th, Drecarth was betrayed (An entire crusade just to team kill his ally)
>7th, Eventual Chaos withdrawal. (Welcome to fanboy territory)
>8th, Abaddon gains Tzeentch's favor (In other words he sucked his dick like every chaos cumdumpester)
>9th, Chaos ravages a Sector. (Of civilian and poorly defended worlds, he had a hard time facing undefended and unarmed civilians)
>10th, Chaos retreat (not even lol secretive objective)
>11th, Chaos retreat, Ork victory. (Yes orks won a Black Crusade, suck it nids!)
>12th, Imperial Victory
>13th, Imperial Victory in space, Chaos foothold in Cadia.
>14th (13.5th Rewrite edition), Cadia destroyed.

>>53100069
Who ?

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Oh man I just found a bunch of old Ork stuff that I had back in 5th edition. I haven't played this game in years.
>Ork Warboss with power klaw
>5 man nob unit with three power klaws and bigga choppas
>Painboy
>30 man unit of slugga boyz with power klaw nob
>10 man unit of shoota boyz with a big shoota
>Unit of Tankbustas
>20 gretchin with a grabba stick on one and a grot-prod on the other
>Deff Dred with big shoota and flamer
I hear there's a new edition coming up. How prepared am I? Anything in here illegal now?

>>53100191
... we don't know yet, because it's a new edition?

Most of that shit will probably be fine though.

>>53100191
Looks good to me!

>>53098094
>If the old rumor of one falling to chaos and another turning loyal
Calling it now, Blood Angels turn to Chaos and Alpha Legion reveals themselves to have been Loyal the entire time.

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>>53100161

Meanwhile in Fantasy: only one setback and even that was retconned. Black Legion confirmed asinine mortals.

>>53100244
Why is his helmet made out of glitter

>>53100264
CHAOS XD LOL SOO RANDOOOMM

>>53100205
>>53100210
Oh good.
Time to strip 'em and repaint them!

>>53100244

That's a funny way to spell "Bailed out by a whiny vampire".

Would love it if people PROPERLY created the threads. Needs a /40kg/ so we can actually find that shit reasonably.

Also, I hope they stop doing these stupid lore reveals. They don't add anything to the story we don't already know, and the rules are 1000x more important.

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>>53100244
>I want to destroy the world and all gods
>there're now more gods and worlds than ever

even abbadon is a better villain than "I keep screaming but god won't answer" archaon

>>53100414

Especially since the lore is creeping in a distinctly "PRIMARCH PRIMARCH PRIMARCH PRIMARCHS also some other guys were there I guess but they weren't important" direction.

>>53100429

Archaon was pretty cool in the old world, but he's lost all credibility now by turning into "OH SHIT THE WORLD BREAKER IS HERE AND HIS HORSE IS THREE DRAGONS NOW AND THE GODS PEE PEE IN THEIR PANTS WHEN HE LOOKS AT THEM"

Impossible to take seriously or care about.

So as I'm finishing up my CSM army I was thinking about doing the Dark Eldar next. Is the best place to start the Start Collecting box? How good are bikes?

>>53100441
But the important guys are the Emperor and the Primarchs. Even the customers think so, look at any forum discussing Horus Heresy releases, their most common issue is about how the new Primarchs will be. The normal humans are a sideshow at best.

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Since we're getting Chapter Tactics and Legion traits in 8th, will we get Clanz rules back too? Will the Snakebites finally not be overlooked and forgotten?

>>53100414
The rules are over a month away and there's only going to be twelve pages. They're just trying to stretch it out and get people hyped over whatever they haven't talked about yet.

>>53100469
>Archaon was pretty cool in the old world
nah, he was completely upstaged by crom

archaon's only claim to fame is a real nice model

>>53100469

So if a villain wins he's boring and OTT, if he loses he's a joke with no arms. GW just can't have the /tg/ audience.

>>53100414
The lore reveals do sort of help hint at what releases and updates we're going to be getting.

>>53100490
Maybe. But I think a lot of players just want good Ork rules period first.

>>53099357
CELEBRATIONS, AHOY !

>>53100191
Should be fine. Honestly it's about the best possible time to be looking into coming back.

>>53100501

>So if a villain wins he's boring and OTT, if he loses he's a joke with no arms. GW just can't have the /tg/ audience.

Yes that's my problem with AoS Archaon and not the narrative constantly sucking his dick as he rides around looking ridiculous.

>>53100501
The problem is shit like this: >>53100161

When they win is a retcon or against some worthless crap. GW can't write good bad guys.

Hell the Tau vs Imperium where the Imperials are the bad guys the entire Imperial army lost in such retarded ways it was shameful and when they won it was silly. Looking at you anti-psyker used against non psyker space alien pope.

>>53099408
How can you not root for the underdog ? He's adorable.

>>53099408
Fucking TTS I read that with the Magnus voice.

>>53100490
>Blood Axes
>Stormboyz at 0-1
But that's wrong.

>>53099737
I mean, that's how I play my games as T-Sons.
I just don't have the body count to win objectives buuuut I can kill all your characters
>Bwahaha I have robbed your chapter of its leader hood, just as planned! I never wanted the 6 macguffins of power

>>53099408
>From here, we will have an unprecedented advantage to... What's that? A warp rift has just opened up? Across the entire galaxy?
Bringing the planet of the sorcerers in was one of the primary reasons WHY the warp rift was able to be a thing. It was kind of explicitly spelled out in Wrath of Magnus.

>>53098075
>discretion better part of valor

So sick of that term, read it every battle report and cringe every time

>>53100582
>Looking at you anti-psyker used against non psyker space alien pope.
Culexus Assassins work against anything with a soul. Tau have souls. Reeee

The thing that's really some bullshit is how a whole Execution Force failed to do anything of note, aside from the Culexus.

What kind of offering to the Emperor do I have to offer to actually get a glimpse at Land Raider rules tomorrow for the "big stuff" rules?

>>53100679
Land Raiders probably aren't going to be covered tomorrow. It will be Lords of War.

>>53100676
Or how the Vindicare missed twice! At least say the Battlesuit was a different version and so the shot fell short of a kill. Not fucking missing the target twice! This fuckers are so OP regarding shooting that they can shoot down Eldar bikers without needing to look.
Also the fucker got blinded, the fuckers that can't be blinded unless it is warp fuckery.

It was silly, none of the assassins that fail, failed like those assassins would fail.

>>53100702
>inb4 Land Raiders are now Lords of War

>>53099768
NON FW R&H RULES AND SUPPORT WHEN???

>>53100480
I don't mind them explaining some lore things, but it shouldn't take up space for rules which are more important. They can release the lore on the side without interrupting rules leaks.

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>>53100679
3 faps for the soon-to-be-squatted-god(dess)

>>53100743
When new multipose cultist models get released. I have high hopes after seeing what they did with neophyte genestealers.

>>53100180
Oh

>>53100722
Wasn't the thing with the Vindicaire that the first shot hit the shield generator, knocking it out, then the second was a bodyguard jumping in the way?

Hard to call that missing.

Honestly, whenever I see someone complaining about this stuff, it feels like they only read the memes on 1d4chan instead of the actual book.

I bet you also think the other two lost in melee.

>>53100755
>Not 6
>Slaanesh wasn't even squatted in AoS
>Is just being 'milked' for souls by the elves.

Slaanesh must be having the time of his/her life

>>53100490
>blood axes
>not storm boy fanatics

>>53100822
You do know Vindicare shots can ignore shields? For that to happen it would require an unprepared Assassin, but this bastards can stay years preparing the perfect shot just to avoid said things.

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>>53100180
>>53100801
Please, this is getting old real fast.

>>53100490
I'm hoping they realise how popular chapter tactics and legion traits are, and expand on them.
Clan ones for orcs, craftworld for eldar, kabal/cult for deldar etc

>>53100829
>his/her
you mean their.

nirs, vis, eirs, hirs, zirs, xyrs are also acceptable

i hope the new marines will be gender neutral. we need to spread awareness

>>53100490

That is some seriously high resolution artwork you have there.

>>53100863
I just want to know about the valiant but fruitless efforts as the Blood angels homeworlds get devoured by the nids so that i can have a good reason to switch to nids...

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I'm the only one that thinks this is just a plan to make Fantasy compatible with 40k in the long run.

8th looks like AoS second edition. Fixing stuff from AoS.

>>53100871
I think a way to institute "Create a Klan/Craftworld/Kabal/Cult/Sept Tactics" could be the Command Points system.

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>>53100885
Hush, you.

>>53100907
You could model your nids pooping out ruined red power armor. That would be hilarious.

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>>53100885
That was painful to read.

>>53100885
Nah for gender neutrals I personally use 'It'

Slaanesh is both.

>>53096989
>No army builder in the op
Yeah, can someone share this link? op is a faggot and doesn't realise that some people is playing right now and 8ed haven't been released

>>53098638
>More toys to loyalists
Yeap, it all checks out

>>53100947
Is that a...Tau Culuxus?

>>53100956
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator#%2FrosterCreator
There you go anon.

>>53099322
Kek

>>53100947

>Tau Culexus

What?

>>53100855
You do know that Vindicates have different bullets for different things?

Plan seems simple to me. One shieldbreaker shot to go through any energy field and disable the projector, the next an anti-armor shell to take out the guy inside the xeno dreadnought armor

>>53100885
I'm going to objectify my daemonettes and there is nothing you can about it!

>>53100956
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=40k+roster+creator

First result you lazy fuck.

>>53100885
What about flis/flyr chiss/churr piss/purr?

>>53099309
Thats not true... We know Sanguinius's Whereabouts. I am sorry

>>53100918
Dear christ I hope so. GW should be moving towards 'your dudes' since its arguably one of their games major selling points. Since most of the other miniatures games with even a fraction of their audience all focus on specific named characters. With limited/no army customization.

>>53101001
My pain and confusing when reading that PC stupidity.

>>53100069
All successor chapters have been summoned to Baal, so you have legion strength on the way there. I assume that's going to be one of the first plot points once 8th drops.

>>53100429
>Implying chaos isn't about self-sabotage and self-defeatism
Anon please

>>53101035
Nigga it was an obvious joke post making fun of PC stuff, if you felt pain and confusion it's from your own stupidity.

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>>53101008
Thanks, you insufferable asshole.

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>>53099357
>My CSM are back in square one

r/ing picture of guilliman chasing some alpha legion

>>53101060
I'm not sure anymore

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>>53097911
The Porcelain Ones
Idols of Perfection
The Pure

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>>53099357
But...they really didn't get rid of formations. As soon as they do faction specific stuff they're back.

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>>53101092
>People assuming all armies will remain in the same power tier next edition

>>53101123
Just as planned ?

>>53101138
Is that Imperial Officer ok?

>>53101143
Unless you have to pay for faction specific benefits using command points.

>>53101156
Hes either in a horrible pain or in the most pleasure he has ever felt in his life.

>>53101125
I know there's a lot of it around, but if you can't really tell shit like that then then you have some issues.

>>53100947
>anti Psyker Tau
I could get behind it

>>53101148
thank you battle brother

>>53101148
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if CSM or Tyranids were to stay the same or even get worse over all

>>53101170
>either/or
Why not both?

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>>53101162
So formation bonus under other name.

I really need to see. I hope 8th is just bad and not a complete and colossal failure resulting in salty bitches dividing the player base till next edition.

Side note I can't wait for this to be mediocre and not just bad.

>>53101186
Literally all I want is bikes to be fucking gone. They're just completely unfun to face. At least against stupid shit like Eldar you can screw around. Bikes just ruin any possible enjoyment.

>>53101199
I feel the same about Bullgryn. I'm hyped for them to be worth taking sometimes.

>>53100918
I figured it'd be like marines currently, where you just say it's a break away/successor, and move on.
It'd be a cool way to do it, though.

>>53101211
Oh wow you hate fun.

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>>53101148
I fucking love it.

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Going to get into 40k for 8th, trying to decide which brand of angel I should go with, Blood or Dark. Which should I pick? Why?

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>>53100890
For some odd reason, the old magazine scans I've found scattered here and there on the internet aren't the best quality.
But here, have another.

>>53101188
I mean if you into that... I am

>>53101241
Blood angels because we are prettier and also we arent traitors.

>>53101241
Baal Predators sound hilarious considering new rules for 8th.

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>>53101241

Play Ultras

>>53101236
I hate units that are good at both movement, melee, and shooting while having no real drawbacks. Meanwhile also getting to abuse the retarded jink mechanic.

>>53101241
If you like jump units, assault all day, and hand flamers? Blood angels. They also have fast vehicles.

If you want a better chance to hit on overwatch and strong bikers that can bring in scatter-free terminators, Dark Angels. Be warned that they're the space marines with the lowest body-count, other than Grey Knights, because their focus is powered up versions of normal units at a scaled-up price.

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I don't know what to think of Super-Ultra Marines. Making a stronger, meaner and better marine just shits on what arguably are already a bullshit powerful fighters of Humanity.

Considering all that has happened with chaos and shit, I think "blank" marines would have been a better ass-pull, but I guess it wouldn't sell models like Super sons of Girlyman

>>53101148
Brilliant

>>53101241
Which do you prefer the lore/look/colour scheme of? We can't base anything on strength currently, so it's pretty much aesthetics and trappings.
That said, can probably get Dangles cheaper due to Dark Vengeance stuff on ebay.

>>53101283
Melee? They get the toughness bonus at a higher cost without the options of special weapons, and if they jink they're not gonna be good at shooting.

Drawbacks are cost, and customization, especially now that heavy weapons don't snap fire every time someone moves.

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>>53101241
Dark Angels for their cool aesthetic and staying true to the Grimdarkness of the 41st millenium.

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>>53101278
>>dat metallic blue
Pretty sweet, but also pretty alpha.

>>53101307
>Melee?
Chaos Bikes have in build CCW, access to special weapons and Jink has now drawbacks if you wish to assault

>>53101307
Not him but "cost" is not by itself enough of a drawback. There need to be trade-offs that make it more interesting than "less models or more".

>>53101307
Special weapons aren't necessary, they wipe shit without them. Jink is broken and the 'drawback' of it doesn't come into play half the time due to the first turn rule.

They're way too strong for their costs and what they can do, and are completely unfun to fight. Ergo, I would like them removed or gutted.

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>>53101246
Nice. Do you have more of those scans?

>>53101361
How would you nerf bikes to make them not auto take anon? One of my BA playing friends has often lamented the fact that jump pack units are almost strictly worse compared to bikes, but he's never been able to offer any real nerfs.

>>53101352
I meant heavy weapons, sorry fucked that up.
>>53101354
Meh, it is for me. It's a fucking space marine on a bike, he doesn't stop being a space marine because he's sitting on something. Do you need a drawback when you buy a jump pack for a model? Hell, a bike is an option to throw on most generic HQ choices, it's not a different type of unit it's just an addon. It wouldn't make sense to take shit away when you're literally just plopping him down on a piece of equipment.

>>53101390

Remove the Toughness improvement. There's honestly no reason why sitting on a motorbike should make you harder to wound. The increased movement and jink is enough to make them worth taking.

>>53101390
No grav.

Gut jink.

Get rid of their ignore dangerous terrain. There is absolutely no reason for them to have it. If anything they should be effected by terrain MORE. (IE. Difficult becomes dangerous, they can't climb buildings, etc.)

>>53101361
You realize they're rebuilding the point cost on everything specifically so that things aren't getting more than you pay for, right? Asking to remove someone's dudes because you don't like their current balance of power is some sad shit.
>>53101431
>no reason
You mean the fact that you're more likely to hit the bike itself than the marine at most angles?

>>53101419
Because that equipment makes you faster on some terrain but less maneuverable on others. Infantry should have an intrinsic advantage over bikes in some situations and disadvantage in others, that creates varied play and counterplay.

>>53101461
>You mean the fact that you're more likely to hit the bike itself than the marine at most angles?

Then give them +1 to armour saves when on a bike.

>>53101454
Difficult does become dangerous, though, that's already a thing. If you've been playing against people who pretend no bikers have to treat difficult terrain as dangerous then they've been breaking the rules.

>>53101489
They've been playing "Skilled rider" spam, which completely ignores terrain.

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>>53101320
>>53101278
>post yfw cato sicarius is an alpha legionnaire

>>53101484
Yup. And bikes should give a negative armor modifier in melee.

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>>53100722
>Or how the Vindicare missed twice!
he only actually missed once, and that was while he killed an entire pathfinder squad completely blinded

The eversor and vindicare probably had the best showings of any imperials in the entire book. Yeah, unlike the culexus they both get ganked by entire armies and die, but they flex their super-assassin muscles well.

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Have you done your duty today, guardsmen?

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>>53101511