Assuming a Warboss manages to unite almost all orks in a giant

>>53063068
Yes. This has been outright stated many times.

>>53063086
More than tyranids?

>>53063095
Well, originally tyranids were an unknown factor since the implication is most of them aren't in the galaxy yet and nobody knows how many there are.

But then again they're an NPC faction who live to job nowadays,

>>53063095
Depends entirely on how many tyranids there are. No one knows though.

>>53063095

> 50k

> Orks vs Tyranids with fragmented pieces of the Imperium and Xenos empires struggling to survive against all odds

Fund it.

>>53063156
>Orks and Tyranids as the 2 super powers of the galaxy.
>All other factions are underdogs just trying to survive against the overwhelming hordes.

Truly the best future for 40k.

>>53063095
Given that Orks keep growing as they fight, eventually there will be gargant sized Nobs lead by larger warbosses ...
So 'nids would need to up their production of bio-titans

>>53063309
Bigger orks = bigger corpses to digest.

Orks v Nids is one of those situations where both sides win and everyone else loses.

>>53063309
Though that wouldn't be too much of an issue considering how much biomass they'd be devouring every time they kill a giga Ork.

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>>53063068
>Would it be the strongest fraction in 40k?
Considering da boyz are the largest faction in terms of sheer numbers and when you combine the Orks' reality-fucking 'WAAAAGH! psychic field', yes, yes they would.

I mean, the last time the Orks got anywhere near that level of strength was during the reign of 'The Beast', who technically 6 "bigger than goddamn stompa" 'Prime-Orks'although it's likely the Goff Prime-Ork was the 'Warboss' of the group, and those fuckers had FLEETS of bloody Ork Attack Moons WAAAGHIN around the galaxy using essentially the same technology the Tau do now.

If Ghazghkull Thraka managed to reach that level of sophistication (throne forbid surpass it), everyone else is pretty much screwed.

It's also worth noting I keep seeing a piece of alleged lore floating around these forums that the Imperium once tried sending a probe outside the galaxy, and all they could hear was Ork chatter. Meaning either a) the collective vox chatter of all the Ork empires combined is so damn loud it can be heard outside of galaxy, or b) there are even MORE greenskins lurking beyond the galactic fringes in supposed 'Dark Space' (who the nids probably didn't notice on the way to dinne-erm, the Astronomicon, since they're having so much trouble with them in Octarius right now).

Not sure if that's canon lore or not, but the thought of the largest race in the galaxy having MORE walking space mushroom muckin' about in the darkness of wild space is FUCKING TERRIFYING.

>>53063338
>>53063344
Consider the most damaging effects of the nid's "Shadow in the Warp" psychic power:
>The psyker or anybody with warp sensibility suffers severe headaches, uncontrollable screaming, bleeding eyes and unconsciousness.
>It blocks most astropathic signals.
>Complicates warp travel.
>Disrupts psychic phenomena.
Now consider the fact that the Octarius War is a thing and Orks from around the galaxy are somehow IGNORING THE SHADOW IN THE WARP and keep showing up to stomp Leviathan's nids in Octarius (both the planet, system and sector).

Yeah, Orks vs Nids is an unstoppable force meets immovable object kind of meat-grinder, but it seems that the Orks WAAAAGH! field is more likely to give them the edge in the end.

>>53063068
It has been outright stated in nearly every ork codex that yes, if the orks managed to unite and stop hitting themselves on the head in the grand scale of things, they would overpower and overwhelm every other faction. This includes codices written after the introduction of tyranids.

>>53063290

I'd seriously be down with this... Maybe we should start a thread to worldbuild this future, like the Nobledark 40k project.

>>53063621
Except the Orks united as a race behind the Beast, and then got defeated by the Imperium anyways.

Don't buy in everything in the codexes. The Orks are I2.

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>>53063309
When the time comes... when the next Hive Fleet arrives... when the Dynasties awaken in full... when the Immaterium swells and the Imperium prepares for its final defiance, the WAAAGH power of the Orkz, under the leadership of a new Beast, will be immense.

So immense that it will burn like a green beacon, and HE swill awaken from his ancient slumber...

DEFFBOSS

>>53063068
No. They tried that with the Beast and the Imperium beat them.

>>53063354
>It's also worth noting I keep seeing a piece of alleged lore floating around these forums that the Imperium once tried sending a probe outside the galaxy, and all they could hear was Ork chatter. Meaning either a) the collective vox chatter of all the Ork empires combined is so damn loud it can be heard outside of galaxy, or b) there are even MORE greenskins lurking beyond the galactic fringes in supposed 'Dark Space' (who the nids probably didn't notice on the way to dinne-erm, the Astronomicon, since they're having so much trouble with them in Octarius right now).
What do you think the Tyranids are running from?

>>53064359
I've never heard that piece of lore but it sounds like it might be a corruption of the piece of lore that says
>Human probes launched through the galaxy during their earliest days of interstellar flight are still picking up Ork chatter and howls everywhere they go.

Which implies that the galaxy is infested to every corner with Orks. I've never heard anything about Orks existing OUTSIDE the Milky Way.

>>53063068
Man, Gorgutz has really taken to the Bad Moonz lifestyle. Lookit that fat cunt. Guess he decided his bulky ass would prefer getting rich to trying to go fast.

>>53063837

Until 8th edition when they remove Initiative stats. When a unit charge the target they will hit first.

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>>53063068
Would still probably be behind:

>Necrons (including sleeping ones), Chaos undivided, Imperium of Man, Tyranids (those in our galaxy currently), Necrons (awake ones only), Dark Eldar and Eldar

Only real thing that would change would be Orks > Tau and just barely even at that.

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>>53064024
>Deffboss
>Not Galactork

>>53064538
They've existed for millions of years and automatically terraform any place they land on to be hospitable just by BEING there, so it's exceedingly likely that a band of Orks somehow managed to end up in other galaxies

>>53064717
It's been flat out stated you're wrong In most editions

>>53064105
Beasts waagh was just the biggest recorded, he didn't get them all

>>53065650
Orks uniting. Get the fuck over it. The Orks united in the Beast Waaagh! and they lost to the Imperium.

>>53065661
Biggest Waaagh! in history which united the Ork race. All Klans had Prime-Orks in it and it was a galaxy wide Waaagh!.

>>53065760
Where does it say the beast waaagh united ALL the orks?

>>53063796
Same, that sounds pretty fun.
How would you run it with Only War?

>>53065760
>Beast Waaagh!
is poorly written at best.

>>53065760
>galaxy wide
>All the orks

>>53065993
>>53065794
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/War_of_the_Beast#fn_1

Follow the citations.

>>53065940
Actually, it makes sense. No matter how powerful the Orks become, you only need to slay their war bosses to end their threat.

>>53063156
There is a 50k scenario where the orks ate nids and the orc waaaagh field infected the hive mind.

>>53066028
How about your read the first sentences of the article that directly contradict your position

>>53066099
>Majority of the Ork race

Because the stragglers would have made much of a difference, eh?

>>53066139
A majority is an amount over 50% but less than 100%
So yes, it could

>>53066028
>lexicanum
Anyway, it was 10k years ago
The Imperium was much stronger at this time than ANY faction is in 40k, the Beast stomp'd it hard, and would have stomp'd it to death if it wasn't for some wacky death star scenario.
It's pretty unlikely that orks have been decreasing in numbers since these days. If anything, with their reproductive system they can ONLY get more numerous. The next Beast WAAAGH could very well be twice as huge.
United orks would sweep the floor with any faction in 40k, and if you had just invested 2 braincells to think about the general context of the Beast's story, you would have understood that already.

>>53066259
Doesn't matter how large the Waaagh! is. Kill the Orks in command and it falls over. The Eldar in the novel explain it well. The Orks come and go like the waves an ocean. The smash on the rocks and then recede back never accomplishing anything. They are always mean to be a passing threat. This makes them a lesser threat to the true enemy.

>>53066788
of an ocean*
meant*

>>53066179
And during this time the Imperium was fighting;

>chaos demons
>chaos space marines
>minor but still hostile xeno races
>the tau
>the eldar
>the dark eldar
>orks who weren't part of the waagh

And the Imperium still won.

When the orks bring over 50% of their power and the Imperium only uses ~5% of theirs and still win it shows that the orks really aren't a threat.

>>53066788
Orks have an unlimited potential for growing bigger.
Beast Warbosses were nigh-unkillable monsters, that faced primarch face-to-face and lived, and YET we are sure they were not at their full potential since there were several of them. Good luck to kill the Ork who has grown big and tough enough to control a Beast-scale WAAAGH by himself.
And that is, if you even manage to get to him.
After you slashed through his WAAAGH of a fuckton boyz. And his Stompas. And his Nobz.
That Ork is smart enough to never put himself in serious danger in the battlefield, also. It's a requirement.

By the way, your Eldar quote is retarded, as expected from knife-ears and from people who trust knife-ears.
To compare orks to waves? That's a fucking superlative.
Waves are the most destructive force of nature. Waves smash on things and they actually get shit done, unlike the rocks which apparently represent the rest of the fucking galaxy. Waves erode, retard. Waves reshape things.
And there's always a big enough wave that comes up and sweep everything in its way, fucker.
If I wanted to diminish orks I'd have compared them to fucking volcanoes.

>>53067426
It also shows that the whole "the Imperium is beset on all sides, barely surviving" thing isn't as true as GW says.

>>53067426
Where the fuck did you pull 5% from? Your ass?

>>53067426
Confirmed for knowing nothing. Tau were literally not a thing during the beast waaagh and the necrons were barely a blip on the radar

>>53063156
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:The_Shape_Of_The_Nightmare_To_Come_50k

>>53063492
Orks' gestalt field has nothing to do with the warp.

>>53067542
You're an idiot that doesnt fucking read
Remember how one of the FIRST things that happened is the imperial fists chapter became the imperial fist marine?
AND how the orks actually got to terra?

>orks is the biggest and the strongest
>hey guys if orks was the biggest would they also be the strongest!??? :O

And people call greenskins dumb geez

>>53067706
It's Warp related, you moron. It's Orkish psychic activity manifesting in the Warp.

>>53067426
It's incredible, every time you say a thing you get more retarded.
The beast besieged fucking Terra.
Can you imagine, that, at this moment, the Imperium saw this and thought, fucking chaosfags being irrelevant chaosfags in the eye of terror are actually more important?
If they had not sent MORE than 50% of their troops they would have been retarded.
Beyond this point, you adding more shit to this thread would be self-disrespecting. I suggest you GTFO and lurk more.

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>>53063134
>implication

>>53063068
orks tyranids and necrons could be the largest factions in 40k yes, but chaos is still the biggest threat because they have an infinite number of demons from other dimensions.

infinite > finite

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>>53067743
>>orks is the biggest and the strongest

Tyranids are both bigger and stronger.

>>53067796
Never heard them say it once so it can't be true.

>>53067771
Actually, the Beast series hammered the point that Orks are a lesser threat to Chaos throughout several books starting with Throneworld.

>>53067784
Except that orks, nids and crons all have a natural resistance to chaos shit. Nids because they're mindless, necrons because they're soulless, and orks because they don't really fear or desire anything

>>53067838
You chosfags really don't know when to give up, do you?

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>>53067796
Have the nids been mentioned at all in the latest fluff?
Face it junior, you're both competing for the tertiary villain race here.

>Orks are a threat
>A single dark eldar woman kills an entire ork homeworld in a week

Does this mean that the dark eldar are actually the biggest AND strongest?

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>>53067881
I know

>>53067859
Do you want me to drag ever quote in the series that said that Chaos are a lesser threat?

>>53067838
And in the Beast series, post-Horus Chaos besieged fucking Terra?
It's not because some shitty chaoswanking GW writer say "Chaos is still TOTALLY better than this ork warboss who accomplished the same thing that Horus did but better" that it is how it is.
Maybe they accidentally established orks as the definitely greater threat, but they did.

>>53067796
From where is this pic?

>>53067934
Chaos Legions were still recovering from the Scouring and Abaddon was mobilising the first black crusades at that time. The books says that you shouldn't let the Orks distract you from the real threat. Chaos is on the raise and they must be stopped etc.

Now look at the state of the galaxy now. This what happens when you ignore Chaos and focus on xenos.

>>53067934
Anyway who cares about what is a threat to Chaos?
Chaos is going to be a threat to fucking no one when the Warp is filled with Gork and Mork and incessant Ork ramblings.

>>53068001
When you ignore Orks they besiege fucking Terra.
Sneaky gits.

>>53063068
>Likes combat a lot.
>In the Grim darkness of the far future.
If not the strongest, then the happiest.

>>53068001
Forgot something. Vulkan read the mind of the Beast and found out that he made some sort of deal in order to get this all going.

What sort of deal and with who? How come the Beast spoke in fluent Gothic rather in an Orky manner like the rest of the Orks?

>>53068036
This sounds like a slice of life waiting to happen.

>They were in control of everything, until their two new roommates showed up.
Or something written in a less pathetic manner.

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>>53068092
>Orks somehow made a deal with chaos gods
>Orks actually managed to besiege fucking Terra for them
>Orks actually didn't need 10K years of preparation to pull a threat on the Imperium
>Orks actually got shit done quick
>Orks are better chaosfags than chaosfags

>>53067844
again, infinite > finite.

necrons orks and nids don't have an immunity to swords and bullets do they?

>>53068111
They were in control of everything, until
>WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Who the fuck let the Hive-Mind in

>>53068161
The Chaos Legions were broken from the HH and the Scouring.

The Orks similarly got defeated and it took them 8K years to produce the heir of the Beast.

>>53067763
It's a gestalt field.

Psychic does not inherently mean of the warp.

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>>53067891
No that would be the Necrons
Is it weird that I prefer to see them win, if anyone wins at all?

>>53068205
Necrons dont, but they did create pylons capable of containing the Warp
So, they at least have the tech to fuck over daemons and such

>>53063134
Literally every faction other than space marines and ynnari serve no function other than to lose and make space marines and ynnari look better.

This is the current state of GW lore.

>>53065878

Sadly, I've never had the good fortune to play Only War, but if I were running a campaign set in 50k the players would be a group of Imperial Guardsmen and/or a Rogue Trader attempting to survive a harsh galaxy, teeming with hostile xenos hordes. They would have control of a single archeotech* ship to their name, and would be able to build it up over time.

*ancient 40k tech, not golden age tech

>>53063068
>Would it be the strongest fraction in 40k?

Soft Yes.

I think if the Orks threatened the continued existence of the other races the chaos gods would unironically intervene and begin to directly aid the human/elf factions if only because without these people most of them (Slaanesh & Tzeentch *specifically) would either cease to exist or see a dramatic loss in power to the point of irrelevancy.
*Khorn and Papa Nurgle (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) both get a decent chunk of faith/psychic energy from Orks doing Orky things- enough that I wouldn't see them shifting gears to preserve other races as a food source.

>>53063068
no. only I2

>>53069086
IG exist to job so that chaos look scary, chaos exist to job to space marines and mary-sue space elves. Everything is just there to set up the hero characters.

>>53063068
Yes. Each other race owes its survival to the fact that Orks spend most of their energy and manpower fighting each other. Not to mention the fact that the larger a WAAAGH gets, the more powerful the Orks at the top and their equipment become, causing it to scale multiplicatively in strength with the nuber of involved Orks.

>>53069568
also they are becoming more kunning too as they grow.

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The admech sent a probe into space to explore outside the galaxy and it still sends back ork signals. Much how the insects will inherite the earth, the galaxy belongs to the orks.

>>53069368
literally why Eldar is the worst faction in lore and tt

>>53068940

Humans because humanity fuck yeah is the only true answer. Or the Old Ones coming back because they were the first. Or unfuck the C'tan and let them rule and repopulate somehow. Hell, even chaos is a better answer. Necrons were fucking puppets and got asshurt they died young due to living around a shitty star that irradiated them. They don't deserve to rule shit.

>>53069897
>Orks existing everywhere confirmed
Well zog me, it IS real.

Wez INTERGALACTIC nao boyz!!

>>53069952

Eldar, of all varieties, make up like... 10%, MAYBE, of everything 40k related.

Space Marines, not the Imperium as a whole, just SPESH MEHRENS, account for about half of all models, artwork, promotional stuff, etc., and are almost never portrayed as losing. Pure cancer.

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>>53070329
Why would they lose?

>>53068092
>How come the Beast spoke in fluent Gothic rather in an Orky manner like the rest of the Orks?
He/They took nightly speaking classes ya silly git.

Ya know what's fucking terrifying? Ghazghkull doesn't speak Gothic. He speaks FUCKING HIGH GOTHIC. Scared Yarrick half to death when Ghazzy started speaking High Gothic like it was natural and told him to get Armageddon ready for the 'best fight'.

There's a reason Yarrick is so dead-set on stopping Thraka. The greenskin's well-on track to becoming a "Prime-Ork" (which was probably accelerated quite a bit since he jumped headfirst into the meatgrinder that is the Octarius War, meaning Ghazzy's a LOT bigger than he was when we last saw him.)

Would would win tg?

The Beast that killed Vulkan or the Swarmlord?

>>53070804

No need for that power armor when you've buried under a mile of plot armor.

>>53071437
The Beast (aka the Goff Prime-Ork) wins easily, even if the Swarmlord does what it did to the Avatar of Khaine on Craftworld Iyanden and throws 12 Carnifexes at him like a coward/smart commander.

Thing is: at the end of the day the Swarmlord is just a smarter-than-average Hive Tyrant who crippled Papa Smurf.

The Beast, on the other hand, killed a PRIMARCH.

There's just no comparing the two.

The only reason Orks are a relatively minor threat in the grand scale of things is because they expend all their energy in constant civil war.

>>53071889
>The Beast, on the other hand, killed a PRIMARCH.

In fairness Vulkan wasn't permakilled, afaik only primarchs that had their souls rended like Horus and Sanguinius died for good.

He did however permakill the Imperial Fists chaper

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>>53067891
Dark Eldar are a major threat even when they're roughly 0.000000000000000001% of the galaxy and goofing off in material space because their hormones are acting up.

The fact that Eldar have the smallest population and are regarded as a major faction says it all. Eldar are master race.

>>53072380
Aren't they getting butchered by daemons after Vect left them to deal with the Gate of Khaine?

>>53071889
Vulkan is the Krillin of primarchs, he even is capable of rez'ing just so he can be put down again

>>53072649
>Vulkan is the Avatar of Khaine of the Imperium

>>53067526
The efficiency with which you expose Eldar bullshit made me smile

>>53064105
He almost krumped Emps.

>>53070161
>He doesn't like deicide.

Necrons are literally the most metal faction in the game.

Who else would make a faustian bargain with elder things beyond space and time and then kick their asses?

Chaosfags ,Impericunts and Eltards are plebs who worship for salvation and strength. Even the Tau have to rely on dogmatic nonsense.

Necrons burned a whole in reality through sheer will and hatred. Because no one tells us our fate, you propethic shit stains.

>>53074384
I mean, ironically, they are the only race in the galaxy with free-will... So maybe a soul is just a crutch?

>>53069107
Khorne is the only one that can get any psychic juice from orks, and that's only because he pretty much just steals the foam off the top.
Gork and Mork are probably still the strongest beings in the immaterium, it's just that they're usually preoccupied with one another to do anything

>>53074488
>and that's only because he pretty much just steals the foam off the top.
It's probably even less than that. The only psychic juice from Orks I can see Khorn getting is from Khornate Freeboota-types, and that's about it.

>>53070814
>ork triumvirate with giant ghagzkull

>>53067796
>The biggest thing is the pic is ork.
>State that nid a bigger

R E T A R D
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>>53072756
>>53072649
>>53072114
>tfw GW hates your favorite primarch

>>53068722
>>53068722
Yes, it does. The rulebook says all psychic power comes from the Warp one way or another.

>>53063354
Pretty sure the entire universe in current lore is just a fuckload of "Eye of Terrors".

That doesn't mean that you are wrong, but those Orks in other galaxies are all about Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh. Not Gork and Mork.

orks have no place in even GWs brand of 'sci fi',

get over it

>>53063290
>Tyranids mount another Hive Fleet against Ultramar
>This time, even with Roboute, the Ultramarines are vanquished to a man and all biomass absorbed
>Hive mind eats the Primarch's super human mind and is enlightened to understanding that logistics and maintaining the Galaxies it consumes is more effective then just scouring them clean
>Begins maintaining Gene Stealer rebellions as forms of government over toppled Imperial regimes

Fund it.

>>53067426
1) This was right in the middle of the internal Black Crusades. Imperium weren't fighting much in the way of chaos at the time.
2) Minor xenos races like.... who?
3) The tau, seriously? They didn't exist at the time, and they have never been a threat.
4) The Eldar, not really.
5) Dark Eldar, yeah remember that time the Imperium had a war with the Dark Eldar? Except not, 'cause it's never happened? The Dark Eldar are almost as much of a footnote as the Tau are.
6) Orks are still orks, why wouldn't you count them.


And then there's the part where the Waaagh! made it all the way to Terra and the writer of the novels couldn't think of a way to credibly win at that point, so he pulled an asspull and killed most of the Primorks off-screen.

But sure, keep believing that Imperial propaganda. Are you a Ward fan, maybe?

>>53074452
Except pretty much most of the population are just slaves and automatons.

>>53078188
So they're not really part of the race anymore are they?

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>Tfw a single big fucking Ork has a higher Primarch Kill Count than a good portion of actual Primarchs