/swg/-Fandom.wikia edition

>>53047825
I love this paint. its simple but looks great

>>53048409
>What's your fan theory /swg/?
There are people out there that actually enjoy Star Wars and not just get angry about it

>>53048409
>What's your fan theory /swg/?
Sheev really was going to die without Anakin's intervention.

>>53048713

This is a theory? I thought Mace Windu was confirmed a total badass in the EU.

Or was that retconned?

Flying out to FFG now. We Worlds boys and girls.

>>53048751
Dark luck!

Win it chumbs!

>>53048751
Good luck and DARK GREETINGS

>>53048741
People like to say it's a theory, but George himself says that Mace won the lightsaber duel legitimately and that Palpatine was only faking being weak after. It's in the RotS commentary track.

But the movie's editing lends itself towards Palpatine throwing the fight. The novel is IIRC quite a bit less subtle about it and basically has him slam to a stop after Anakin walks in the door.

>>53048503
I enjoy Star Wars Just 1-6 and Rogue One. Fite Me Please don't actually. I have an RPG in 20m, so I don't have time for a fight, even if I actually wanted one.

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>>53048751
And off he goes, the hopes and dreams of 1000's of /swg/ers or at least maybe half a dozen riding on his broad shoulders.

Now be the ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWH811TcckU

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STAT ME FOR EDGE
http://battlefront.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_Assault_Flyer

>>53048882
I would never fight you anon. You have a right to your opinions and I would fight anyone who would try to change you for that.

though not liking TCW is sin enough for you. Enjoy your RPG! DARK GREETINGS

>>53048882
I respect your opinion because I'm on the same boat as you are but I can't stop jerking off over the Imperial Raider Corvette, what the hell is wrong with me?

>>53048882
That is absolutely a totally valid opinion

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>>53048882
I respect your opinion but TCWs is pretty good even if rebels is hit or miss well mostly miss.

>>53048882
I like TFA more than Rogue One, and think TCW is the best thing out of the prequels but think your opinion is totally fine because at the end of the day we all like Star Wars

>>53048882
I liked the way TCW expanded on and filled in parts of episode III that really needed it, even if I didn't like a lot of the episodes

>>53048409
One thing that has always bugged me is to do with the CIS invasion of Kashyyyk. Or rather the fact that one of the two Kashyyyk maps in the original (and still best) Battlefront seems eerily prescient of the scenes in ROTS and the BII version. On a forest world you have an vehicle spearheaded amphibious invasion going up a beach to a wookie village at the back.

There are differences of course and it could be coincidence but I do wonder if there was some minimal briefing on how the Battle for Kashyyyk would be portrayed.

>>53049302
>On a forest world
That was meant to read more along the lines of "we know Kashyyyk is a forest planet yet the developers chose to make this an amphibious map instead of something more similar to the Endor level".

I'm not quite so stupid as to claim that battlefront invented the idea of trees on Kashyyyk.

>>53049302
>>53049376
I honestly don't remember Kashyyyk in the first BF. Is it the level with the beach surronded by platforms?

>>53049423
That was the one I meant yes. The other map was several connected hills/islands with scattered villages and one of my least favorite maps that was only good for gunning down wookies in the DAF.

>>53049423
Two Levels. Wookiee Village and beach with docks.
>>53048996
Speaking of BF1.

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>>53049473
>>53049477
I loved the first BF. I think BF2 had better gameplay but I feel that one had the better levels and atmosphere

>>53049559
Indeed. I enjoy playing the conversion pack maps on BF2. Too bad they couldn't port the prone position from BF1 over... Though I guess Sprint replaced prone ultimately?

>>53049195
I hate both of them equally.

>>53048882

I grew up reading the expanded univers,
books and comics, and even though a lot of it is shit there are some very good bits as well.
I respect your right to a different oppinion,
but frankly there are elements of the expanded universe that are better than some of those movies. And plenty of good games as well.
Suffice to say I love star wars in all of it's forms, though I was violently opposed to the clone wars for the longest time I've gotten over it.

>>53049559
>I think BF2 had better gameplay but I feel that one had the better levels and atmosphere
This. Bespin and Rhen Var were the best, and a lot of the levels felt more dense and chaotic than the ones in 2.

>>53049559
BF2 had the benefit of an actually interesting Galactic Conquest mode and the 501st campaign but space combat was shallow and a lot of the other gameplay changes were mixed.

I'd agree that BF maps were very well done and having 2 maps for most of the planets was nice. Cloud City being cut from BF2 was a travesty.

>>53049621
I like the 2 maps more but miss Rhen Var badly. Thank god for PC

>>53048882

I unironically love Rogue One as much as I do Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope. It's better than Return, for me, and the rest are in a jumble behind that.

TFA could've been better, but could've been way way worse, too, and I was happy on balance with it.

>>53048751
Our hopes ride with you.

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>>53049612

>>53049559
>>53049599
>>53049621

You are my niggas and I cherish you all.
Rhen Var and Bespin were the goddamn best shit.

So apparently people here aren't excited for NuBF2, care to explain why? The campaign trailer looked really interesting and the multiplayer looks like they're moving in the right direction.

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>>53049599
>>53049621
Amen brothers. Rhen Var was so good. I have fond memories of playing against my brother in split screen versus on this shitty ass old tv in our room. Now I just gave myself ptsd remembering playing as Imperials on Endor. That fucking IeeeeeAhhhh screams from those Ewoks. I swear I got ran over by one of those furry savages riding on a speeder.

>>53049756

Probably just because Battlefront was a supreme disappointment in a lot of ways and was so badly handled.

That said, classes instead of that cardshit and an actual campaign has me pretty hype.

>>53049756
Nothing is out, nothing is shown.
We've seen a movie and a producer talk about whats going in.
Lots of hype, no demonstration.

>>53049756
All eras = good.
Classes coming back = good.
No season pass = good.
Actual campaign especially an Imperial one = good.

EA = shit.
NuBF1 = shit.

That's where most doubts lie.

>>53049756
Until they release footage of snowtroopers using grenades to knock Luke clean off the Rhen Var castle there seems to be no reason to hype.

>>53049756
Because EA has a terrible track record and the first EAfront was absolutely terrible. I am very very cautiosly optimistic about EAfront 2 but don't hold your breath

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>>53049756
Nothing substantial has been released. And while an Imp-centric campaign might be a nice change of pace, I'm not a fan of the fact that you're playing as an apparently humorless Imperial version of Wraith Squadron instead of as a team of regular Imperial grunts.

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>>53048409

Who would make a better starting antagonist for an AoR party: and ISB Agent, or an ImpInt Agent?

>>53050000
ISB.

ImpInt should make PCs crap their pants.

>>53050000

Probably ISB, but it also depends what sort of party you have - are they a normal cell blowing shit up, or are they a a full on undercover behind-enemy-lines group.

What if the Sith Empire had won?

>>53050153
the universe would be at peace
But seriously it'd be a while of lots of progress but slavery and war mongering rampant. The jedi would gather forces and show up eventually to fight again

>>53050153
Probably peace, until the Jedi come back and massacre them.

Then peace until the Sith come back and massacre them.

And the cycle repeats indefinitely as usual.

>>53050153
Which one?

>>53050180
No the Empire would of collapsed in on itself as the shitty Sith Lords backstabbed and starscreamed each other until nothing was left.

>>53050217
This. The Dark Age of the Republic is what you get once a unlimited bunch of Sith Lords actually start succeeding: shit tons of warlords buttfucking each other

>>53050217
Did you forget sith empire has existed and not torn itself apart? the infighting is frequent and happening but it still moves forward.

I assumed they have an emperor, it would be much worse without one

So if i wanted to get my gaming group to do a starwars game, which should I run for them? Whats the best "edition" so to speak?

>>53050344
It moves forward in spite of the sith, not because of them.
SWTOR's Imperial Agent storyline is basically 'clean up the Sith's messes while holding the empire together' the movie the game

>>53050153
Never ending court drama, slavery, proxy wars.

Eventually the force would push back against the rampant Dark side use and balance out.

>>53050373
SW FFG RPG

I really need pictures of Star Wars inspired nose art that would fit on a U-Wing in a game of Age of Rebellion I'm in.

I found stats for it on the FFG website or the order 66 podcast (or here, honestly) and we'll be using that to go too and from our shitty jungle camp.

Anyway. The Blue Lady needs a blue lady on the nose to be perfect.

>>53050373
I'd recommend 1e WEG D6 if you want true to the OT experience, FFG if you want a more crunchy yet narrative game which incorporates more Prequelism. (Jedi trees and Force Powers)

>>53048882
what's wrong with rogue one? I thought it seemed pretty good, at least compared to the garbage that is A New Hope Volume 2.

>>53050764
What wasn't wrong with Rogue One?

>>53050789
the movie was a good star wars movie

>>53050810
It was a bad movie, horrible Star Wars movie.

>>53050789
>>53050844
no really i dont know whats wrong with it pls hep

>>53050859

You realise youre just going to get a list of incredibly subjective opinions, or that copypasta about how awful women are, right?

>>53050764
>>53050859
Characters had little to no personality, some iffy fight choreography Stormtroopers are fully armoured, they shouldn't be knocked out by a foldy stick, though Chirrut's fight was pretty sick and no real arc to speak of. It did have some nice action in the latter half of the film...

I think the best way to sum it up is that the film didn't really know what it wanted to be and everything suffers for it.

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>>53050844

>>53050906
Theoretically a whiplash concussion can KO a helmeted guy but a believable whiplash is pretty much impossible without actually giving the stuntmen actual whiplash.

>>53050440
>>53050544

Thank you.

>>53050906
A frail untrained woman beating up the galaxy's best soldiers with a plastic stick will always be the worst scene of the movie to me and up there with "I don't like sand" and "Icky icky goo". At that point RO jumped the shark.

>>53050977

>frail
>untrained
>plastic stick
>galaxies best soldiers

So many things wrong in this post.
But you know what, that's fine. You're entitled to your beliefs.

>>53050977
>untrained woman
When will this meme die.

Jyn was with Saw for years as a partisan.

Also
>Stormies
>elite

>>53050999
>>frail

She's pretty small in frame and height.

>>untrained

No formal training, minimal combat experience, no straight-up experience outside of skirmish/militia warfare.

>>plastic stick

Ok, metal stick.

>>galaxies best soldiers

Yes, galaxy's best soldiers.

>>53051019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>53051019
>best soldiers
Sorry, bruv, the Imperial Army green guys are no longer canon.

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Did anybody see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYD3QtyEGGM

>Do you need something Vader?

>I want those plans in my glove

Do they know?

>>53050544
Did somebody say Jedi Trees?

>>53051008
But stormtroopers are supposed to be the best : (

>>53051066

Implying I or anyone cares.

>>53051082
See
>>53051032

>>53051081
Yep. That's a penis.

>>53051081
Dr. Aphra?

>>53051083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Q7CcINC8M

>>53051095
So who are the best soldiers if Stormies aren't?

>>53051019
Being small =/= frail, anon.
And again, how do you know that? Saw was trained by jedi and clone troopers during the Clone Wars, so who's to say that he doesnt train his rebels as vigorously?
And we have no idea what experience she has - just dismissing it as 'skirmish and militia warfare' is completely baseless.
That said, even if it was correct, beating up a couple of stormtroopers in a backstreet is pretty much the definition of a skirmish.

>ok metal stick
Its a pretty big difference. Plus, i mean, its star wars so it could be electrified or something but we see no evidence of that. So 'metal stick' it is.

As for stormtroopers being the elite. They were in the EU, but in the films they've always been the general use troopers. Since the EU is noncanon these days, we're 'back' to the old film of 'theyre pretty good but not exactly elite, nor the best'.
Even beyond that, maybe those stormtroopers were bad at their job. Maybe they were tired, overheated, and frustrated with fighting rebels. Maybe they werent at peak.
Just saying "THEYRE THE BEST SOLDIERS" doesnt mean, in any way, that there couldnt be extenuating circumstances. It also doesnt really mean anything - doesnt matter how well a man is trained, he can still be killed/taken by someone if he's attacked by surprise.


But, really, we can argue this till the cows come home - I think it's a perfectly fine scene, and one totally in-keeping with Star Wars. You do not.

>>53051133
The Death Jobbers--err, Troopers

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>>53051083
In a movie set in new canon, Stormtroopers appear to run the gauntlet from shitty grunts to relatively elite depending on where they get trained, this is because there is no more imperial Army to fill the shitty role.

You should not over-bash the one scene of them losing to Jyn (Which was admittedly not super well done) because of something that's not canon to the setting in the first place.

>>53051133
B1's obviously. What are you? GAR Scum?

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>>53051106
Hey, that Penis Tree happens to be a respected Jedi Master

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ood_Bnar

>>53051167
Modifiedv Stormtoopers
>>53051170
Veteran Stormtroopers
>>53051185
Sepratist Propaganda

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>>53051229
>Sepratist Propaganda

>>53051229
Modified veteran Stormtroopers IIRC, based on the bad batch stuff right?

>>53051133
Clone Troopers

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>>53048751
D A R K G R E E T I N G S

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>>53051133
Mandalorians

>>53051133
I once hear Krennic could take on an army of Mandos by himself shirtless and showing off his abs with only a blaster pistol

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>>53051185

THE CIS WILL RISE AGAIN!
Yeeee-haaaaaw

>>53051537
We already have my droidbro

NuCanon has a NeoConfederate Alliance

>>53050977
> beating up the galaxy's best soldiers with a plastic stick
desu man they were also beaten by teddy bears

>>53051614

With literal rocks.

>>53051614
>teddy bears
With spears
>>53051690
large rocks

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>>53051560
Fellow droids, we must destroy the meatbags and break our shackles!

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>>53051560
Yeah, their crazy hold-outs are pretty fun, like having these mad as fuck Jap soldiers on pacific islands not surrendering for 40 years

>>53051614
>Join the Imperium
>Travel the galaxy
>Get arse kicked by barely sentient, fluffy creatures

>>53051702
Roger Roger

>>53051740
A bunch of Rebel commandos and a Jedi knight also got their arses kicked by the same ewoks.

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>>53051740
Hoojibs ain't nothing to fuck with

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>>53051560
Have a link for that? Can't find it online

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>>53051779
Least it wasn't a legion of their best troops, that could be kind of embarrassing

>>53051785
A veritable terror of the star systems, somewhere a CIS scientist needs to weaponize them

>>53048409
>What's your fan theory /swg/?
from a guy I game with.

Kylo Ren is being influenced by Darth Vadars Sith Ghost. Thats why he's a bit unstable and talks to the helmet. Darth Vadar has promised power but really is trying to mold him into a suitable vessel to poses and allow Vadars resurrection.

Vadars sith ghost is a distinct entity to anikans force ghost. He really did die and become a new person when he became vadar, hence Anikans force ghost waa young Anikan.

>>53051890
>Sith Ghost
Sith can't into Ghosts in nuCanon

>>53051890
Thats absolutely ridiculous.
I love it
When did Vader die? Was it during the decision to kill the emperor and become anakin again or the physical body dying split into 2 ghosts?

>>53051890
Thats actually really neat and a cool idea
I bet Disney would screw the whole thing up

>>53051982
vadar died during bodies physical death.

The split happened at vadars "birth"/padames death. Vadar was mostly in control until the end when anikan managed to "surface" and kill the emperor.

>>53051890
A cut part of Obi-wan's line from ANH would shoot that down.
The first part of the line was supposed to say, "If I kill you, you will become as nothing, but strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Sith have always been unable to Force Ghost in canon.
EU fucks everything up then and now.

>>53051890
Kylo is a whiny bitch who hero worships an idealised Vader as the epitomy of the Empire/Dark Side.

The reason Kylo sucks in TFA is because he is supposed to be an emo fanboy with emotional issues and not the Vader-clone he resembles on the surface.

Ar some point in the future Luke will reveal that Vader repented and renounced the Dark Side, prompting Kylo to go over the edge. Maybe attempt redemption, maybe go after Snoke, maybe just break inside. All those character flaws will be shoved in his face and have to confront them . The fact that Kylo only truly surrenders himself to the dark side when he kills dear old dad is also going to be significant as Vader achieved redemption via his son.

>>53052033
I like this. Anakin was still anakin, albeit falling, until padme died. That was the big turn.

>>53052107
I honestly don't like this. different paths to force ghost are important, one through peace a calm heart and letting go, the other through raw ambition.

The reason I like >>53051890 so much is because it follows a fact about sith ghosts that I hold true. Sith ghosts are tied to something. The raw passion holds them to something, a lot like a ghost is mythos. They aren't free to float around or visit whomever, they are tied to something like their tomb, a saber, or their helmet.

>>53052107
I prefer Sith to be able to haunt places/things as a ghost rather than the Jedi's becoming one with the force shtick.

>>53052165
Sith ghosts in Legends had to ritualistically bind themselves to said objects or locations. We have no indication that Vader would do that, let alone that he could even if he wanted to.

>>53052151
Kylo already knows. He just doesn't care, and sees it as a moment of weakness.

>>53051890
Honestly it would be just the kind of batshit crazy force stuff that the new trilogy seems to be embracing. If Kylo can stop a blaster bolt in midair and Rey can apparently learn lightsaber combat and the Mind Trick just from being around Ren, then why the hell can't we have force ghost possession?

I honestly find the stepped-up level of Force power with more visceral lightsaber fights in the new trilogy to be kind of interesting if they go with it. It'll only be bad if they pussyfoot it, by the end of the trilogy Rey should have goddamn force kamehamehas and Kylo should be pushing around entire squads of soldiers.[/spoilers]

>>53052194
Does he? Where does it say that? If so that derails my predictions completely.

Ahsoka will replace Mara Jade.

>>53052222
It's in the TFA novel, I don't recall if it's anywhere else though.

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>>53051953
SCOWLING INTENSIFIES

>>53052227
Good. Orange butt cheeks better than orange hair.

>>53050000
I'd say some local COMPNOR mooks with an ISB agent as their leader

>>53052256
Darn, I really liked the idea of Old Luke laying out exactly how much Kylo fails at being Vader. Everything just seemed to lead up to the moment when he gets called out for the shallow loony fraud he is.

>>53051953

Negroid what? Bane's force ghost is canon.

>>53052340
That wasn't a ghost. It's even stated in the episode that it wasn't a ghost. It was an illusion, created by the Priestesses to test Yoda.

what about big snoke using force illusion fuckery to make kylo THINK he's talking to vader's ghost when it's just him?

>>5305239
Thank's to mastery of the dark side Snoke can run a mean puppet show.

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>>53052397
>Big Snoke
I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda

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>>53052194
>objects

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>>53048751

>>53051133
Ewoks.

Anon who was this post: >>53002430

I finally got around to listening to your video, I thought it was really good. I'll for sure have to check out more of your videos when I can find the time between studying for finals

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>>53051459
>Mandalorians
>Best soldiers
>LaughingSpaceEmus.holo

>>53051019
>galaxy's best soldiers
(citation needed)
And remember, keep it canon~

>>53053140
>LaughingSpaceEmus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcu9BxTpQj4

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>>53053231
DELET THIS

>>53048409
That the Dark Trooper project will appear next season. I hope.

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>>53053329
>Dark Troopers
It wouldn't be complete without these two.

>>53002430
Just watched this.
The scripts made it 100% better. The point was clear and concise. The advice was good. You made a solid video. Keep up the good work!

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mods are asleep, post Imperial propaganada

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>>53053355
Thanks, man. Just came on and saw your post by chance.
I meant to get my new podcast out today but my schedule's fucked right now so I only had time to script it. I've got people proofreading it before I record tomorrow (Thursdays and Fridays are better for releases anyway).

I can't state enough how awesome the response from everyone on /swg/ has been. It's been a great experience finding my niche on youtube with you guys.

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Hello fellow Alliance members! I am one of you and not an ISB agent! Would you so kindly direct me to Mon Mothma's posting IP so that I may thank her in person for her great work in subvert-I mean rebelling against the Empire?

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>>53053652

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>>53053083
Finals are hitting me hard too.
Thanks for checking out my channel!

>>53053652
Meh, Mothma is a bigger detriment to the cause than a real hero. You Imps can have her.

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>>53053671
And here is a fully truthful political opinion from the world of Sanfrancia! Would you dear rebel compatriots please direct me to the author of this scandalously provactive cartoon, and possibly you friendly Rebels who are at this moment trying to extract him?

>>53053691
I know not of what you speak! I would love to meet such a person that the Imperials seem to be convinced is important. Also do you have more Rebel propaganda? I need it for research purposes to recruit new rebels! Fulcrum duty, amirite?

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>>53053652
Sure
Have a seat over there.

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Down with the Empire!

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>>53053711
Rebel propaganda you say?

>>53053721
I've...never heard of such a thing my rebel friend. And who is this friendly, very clean, most definitely equal to human xeno? I would...love to make its acquaintance.

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>>53053737

Everyone saw the set pictures from TLJ, right?
What do you think about that giant horse and those dapper aliens in tuxedos?

>>53053766
Dapper aliens are dope. We've never really seen the high class party scene on screen. I'm excited.

The animal though... I dunno, I think they need to get off their high horse.

>>53053777
Dammit, now I need for Finn and Rose to act really arrogant in that scene for lels

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>>53053741

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>>53053492
My comfy TIE recruitment poster shirt is starting to wear down with age. I wish they kept selling them after Rebels season 1, that shirt and I have been through a lot.

>>53053777
>Dapper aliens are dope.
They remind me more of something out of Doctor Who more than Star Wars. Now, I'm not knocking them yet, but their clothes look a little too mundane rather than having an air of fantasy about them.
>inb4 hating a movie before it's out

Anyone have Edge of the Empire - No Disintegrations? It doesn't seem to be in the pastebin

>>53053652
Sure! But have you met my friend Borgolet? He knows so much more than me about the Rebellion, let me introduce you.

>>53053887
>Borgolet

>>53053887
Have you met my friend, *hic* Beaujolais?

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I find it weird that when the Empire started making their own variants on the AAT as the IAT they took a step BACK from the Clone War AAT that deleted the gaping weakpoint created by the hull guns and heat vent in the middle.
>>53053766
I have not.

>>53053231
This makes me think of something straight out of Jurassic Park.
>Fending off pesky raptors that are trying to steal your livestock

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>>53053766
>giant horse
I WANT TO BELIEVE

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>>53053935
Look at that, the weakpoint that the Naboo security speeder blew a massive hole into, right there in the open.

>>53053492
tfw have this one and the boys in white one from the propaganda book posted up in my office
i just wish it came with a better CIS poster, the homage is nice and all but there's a ton of good cis scum material that could have been used

Well it's only been may 4th here in Florida for a little over 30 minutes but I'm already having more fun!

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>>53053737
Down with the Traitors.

>>53049715
I dunno, most of the BF2 maps inspired by BF1 just feel shitty. And nothing made me rage more than seeing what they did to Geonosis. The BF1 map was goddamn epic, and the second just felt like a half-finished design.

>>53049810
I miss split-screen so fucking much. Would do the same shit at a friend's house on sleep-overs. That shit slams the nostalgia hard when you remember you were in middle school when BF2 dropped and you spent all-night sleep-overs binging on the grandest of shooters fueled by pizza rolls and coke.

>>53049756
>EA
You're getting hyped over press material. Which is created solely to inspire people to pre-order the game for guaranteed dollars. If you are actually still getting excited for games because of a new pretty trailer and a producer talk about learning from their mistakes, then I really have to doubt your common sense. Especially from a big studio, you try the game when it comes out but you don't even pay attention to that shit before hand. I could have gotten hyped as hell about nuBF if I actually beleived half the shit Dice was talking out of their asses about in the early days of production.

>>53054468
Fair enough. I'm obviously not going to preorder it(I mean seriously why do people keep doing that?) but I am looking forward to it. I guess I just really like the premise of the campaign, and even if I know the flaws of BF3 and 4's campaign I'm perfectly willing to slog through a mediocre campaign to see awesome things like a ground perspective of Jakku.

>>53050810
To be fair, >>53050844 hits it right on the head. You have like or dislike the movie on its own, but as far as a Star Wars movie, it was completely off. Even if you like it for being a gritty war-drama, that isn't what Star Wars is. Stars Wars is space opera. It's farmboys with magic swords fighting against a tyrannical empire, it's lovable outlaws finding a fight worth fighting for. It isn't a humorless war film that everyone dies in.


As a movie by itself, I honestly don't mind it. But I actually put it as worse than TFA as far as Star Wars movies go.

>>53053964
It looks like something pulled from a pinball machine.

>>53051066
Wait, really? They retconned out the existence of... the army?

>>53054468
To be fair, you don't get a lot of devs going "we REALLY fucked up on this thing specifically and we're not gonna do that again" (re the DLC) which is definitely a step in the right direction
Plus story mode
Plus multiple devs, with Dice doing the core gameplay which is inarguably servicable at the very least, and two other devs doing storymode and space combat
Plus playable Luke in some sort of actual plot thing, when was the last time that happened, Lego Star Wars?

>>53051513
True, but Tarkin's a fookin legend on Gin Alley.

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>>53054499
Same guy, and while we're in agreement on the movie sucking, grittiness is not at all what I had a problem with. If anything, it was the lack of grittiness. I wanted an ambiguous-moraled war story picturing both sides locked in a hellish struggle they're willing to do anything to win. A war. A civil war. A portrayal of warfare like some of those we got in the Expanded Universe. No right or wrong side, no heroic or villainous struggle, just men and women with boots on the ground killing each other because their disillusioned and out of touch superiors say so, experiencing the trauma of war and bloodshed on a scale we could never imagine in our single-planet minds.

I wanted Vietnam in Space or Full Durasteel Jacket, and I will not apologize or back down from that. It's also what the writers originally wanted, so don't even dare call it headcanon or self-fantasy gratification.

Instead we got Guardians of the Galaxy with unfunny puns, quips, and horrendously written and criminally boring and dull characters each with the most basic and onesided personalities possible. The warfare boiled down to poorly trained infiltrators and militia annihilating elite opposition by the hundreds with effortless ease, only to be done in by the most hilariously unrealistic, insane, moustache twisting backstabbing joke of an Imperial hierarchy we've ever seen, culminating in the deaths of numerous characters we don't give a shit about.

I don't believe Star Wars is 'just a space opera' and instead believe it is and could be something so much more, but the censors at Disney didn't want that.

>>53052256
Wait, really? But that's... completely contrary to a large amount of -- admittedly Legends -- material. The fact that Vader's 11th hour redemption was utter unknown to anyone but the three parties present, and that according to all official accounts: three men enter, one man leaves.

>>53054511
It's really stupid, but apparently yes, there's no Imperial Army in Disney Canon anymore.

My favorite group done in, humiliatingly so because of a children's cartoon on a channel called Disney XD. It's like pissing in the face of someone you just spat on you just slapped.

>>53054583
>The warfare boiled down to poorly trained infiltrators and militia annihilating elite opposition by the hundreds with effortless ease, only to be done in by the most hilariously unrealistic, insane, moustache twisting backstabbing joke of an Imperial hierarchy we've ever seen, culminating in the deaths of numerous characters we don't give a shit about.


They really only "Annihilated" when they had a terrain advantage in the finale and that was brief, though I think they SHOULD have opened with a bomb on the door instead of opening fire right away.
>>53054511
>>53054600
There *IS* an imperial army, but there is apparently no Imperial Army INFANTRY branch.

Only Stormtroopers from what we've seen.

Speaking of Infantry, what's a good setup for a platoon, and are stormtrooper squads Eight or Eight plus one?

>>53054595
Luke probably told him in an attempt to get him to cut it out with all that darkside shit.

>>53054583
Don't worry, I would have much preferred that to what we got as well. And I agree 100% with your summation of the film. Whoever thought that the best way to introduce the spic by having him shooting his own contact in the back and expect us to ever give a shit out the character was a fuckwit. But at the end of the day, Star Wars is space opera, and while excursions from that can be fun, they ultimately still don't feel Star Wars.

And that's not to say that it's a particularly limited set of things they can do with that. I mean, you've got the more bog standard space opera, but then you can also go deeper into the two primary components of the OT. Half Chanbara flicks, Half WWII movies and the Dambusters in particular.

Obvious whenever you start delving into Jedi, you often end up in the first half, but playing out the outlaws and bounty hunters is just angling more towards the chanbara films focusing more on yakuza and ronin. And part of why I think I love the Clone Wars cartoon -- the CGI one -- is for diving head-first into the second. Those introductory soundbytes by Yularen -- or his VA, whichever -- just feel amazingly like in-universe propaganda films ripped straight out WWII press clippings.

But a full-on Apocalypse Now set in the jungles of Yavin or some such? If done well, I'd love it to death as a film. But at the end of the day, it still wouldn't feel like a Star Wars movie to me.

>>53054683
Ah, fair enough. I really wish we had any more knowledge of the whole New Jedi Order before it got Columbine'd. It's fucking irritating knowing so little about a group whose destruction is so pivotal in the development of a bunch of characters.

>>53054667
>>53054600
That's... something. Just holy shit, really? It's all because Disney doesn't want to ever have the good guys casually gun down and murder non-faceless mooks, isn't it? A lot harder to justify the Rebels to children when they're killing ordinary men and women with exposed faces and the backstory and families those entail.

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>>53054667
8 in a squad
After that its just multiples of 4.
4 x squads = platoon
4 x platoons = company

And so on all the way up to a sector army.

>>53054583
> I wanted an ambiguous-moraled war story
> No right or wrong side, no heroic or villainous struggle
Then why did you watch a Star Wars movie?

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>>53054667
>>53054747
Just double checked, eight plus one sgt, and five squads to a Stormtrooper Platoon of 45.

What's a good layout of special weapons? A few IHR TL-50 heavy repeaters can serve as grenadier AND LMG, or you can split up things with heavy rifles (Which seem to work like LMGs at time, or snipers/DMRs) and light repeaters.
I think the fifth squad is almost all E-Webs, given how many E-Webs a Lambda carries.

>>53054728
Moreso they have a focus on CGI, different faces are expensive. They also added armored facemasks for the Army pilots so the faces are not a concern.

As much as I hate to say it, it's a case of "I RECOGNIZE THOSE GUYS THEY'RE STOOOOORMTROOOPERS!"

>>53054749
> implying star wars should be a story with clear cut right and wrong, heroes and villains
Fuck off, this is something the EU did far better than the movies ever did. The fact is that in a civil war you're not going to get black and white morality. The established government, even if it is brutal, is also the main source of safety and stability. And the rebels, no matter how virtuous, are the ones disrupting that stability. What makes a rebel guerrilla more virtuous than a stormtrooper who is basically just a soldier doing his job? The fact that one of them gets to show his face?

>>53048409
Rey is Luke's daughter because the entire point of Star Wars is that it's a generational story of the Skywalker family.

>>53054807
>different faces are expensive
Yeah, that's why they usually just recycle them. Like that one fantastic screencap of a crowd that has like twelve or so models, all of the males being identical clones and all of the females being identical clones with one of two haircuts.

And holy shit, they really don't want to humanize Imperial troops to the point that transport pilots are being random facemasks.

>>53054822
That's cool and all, but that's not what Star Wars is really about. It's slamming together Kurosawa movies and WWII dog-fighting, following Campbell's Hero's Journey as though it was the origin of the script.

>>53048882
Rogue One is great, compared to every other modern star wars film anyway.

>>53054728
>>53054600
>>53054667

Technically, I'm pretty sure Imperial Army troopers are mentioned in one of the earlier new canon books, like Tarkin or Lords of the Sith or something - so they exist. They just don't show up anywhere.

Of course, I don't recall a lot of high profile EU work prominently showcasing actual army troopers either - they mostly existed in RPG stuff.

>>53054822
Some people never evolved from what Star Wars was in 1977.

Star Wars is a very pro-transformative fiction, where it can be expanded (universe) upon by other authors. It is not a simple, basic, barebones space opera. That's what Lucas intended ANH to be, where he likewise intended to end the "saga" before it even began, due to believing it would fail.

As a one-off, yeah, ANH is a space opera. On the whole, Star Wars is not at all a space opera, at least not in the terms used by some people on here who believe it should always be very down-to-basics and simplistic. That simply isn't what Star Wars is. It hasn't been that for over 30 years. No matter how many times you say "space opera" it doesn't change reality.

>>53052211
>then why the hell can't we have force ghost possession?
Because rey is a shit character and the only reason why she can do anything with the force is because faggot pandering.

>tl;dr
If rey was ray (read: a man), then he would have needed training instead of instantly becoming fluent in the force because shit writing.

>tl;dr tl;dr
luke, obiwan, yoda, and qui-gon don't know. But rey will probably trip over a sith holocron on a beach or something equally bullshit.

>tl;dr tl;dr tl;dr
We can, but only if you're willing to accept below middle schooler fan-fic tier writing.

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>>53054842
Rey is not Luke's daughter. Kylo Ren is the next Skywalker.

>>53054856
That's what Lucas wanted it to be about, and at the end of the day that's as simplistic and childish as he was. The EU already made it more than just that, but now Disney comes along and all that development and complexity just goes down the fucking drain in favor of a tiny girl heroes somehow defeating elite soldiers and mustache twirling villains because Disney wants to pander to the tumblrites.

>>53054917
Sure, and that's cool and all. But it was and it still is. Nice chat.

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>>53054914
To rephrase that tweet -
Bob: "Maz Kanata tells us that Luke is not Rey's father."
Pablo Hidalgo: "In the movie, yes."

And then this tweet -
Pablo Hidalgo: "Han isn't the father."
Mariana: "I was asking about Luke."
Pablo Hidalgo: "Luke isn't the father."

>>53049756
>lol why don't you want to play as a feminist nigger
Fuck off.

>>53054978
Maz doesn't say that Luke isn't Rey's daughter. She says that the person Rey is waiting for is never coming back. There's a number of ways to interpret this. Here's two off the top of my head.

1) It's a reference to her mom, who's dead and so never coming back;
2) Luke was never going to come back to Jakku due to him being in a depressed funk; Rey had to go to him instead.

Hm, use AoR to run a small outfit of Imperials in the Outer Rim, either as a platoon of misfits assigned to a punishment assignment for pissing off some higher-up or perhaps as a group who along with their Gozanti attempt to enforce some Imperial Order in the wake of the death of the Emperor and Lord Vader by those cowardly terrorists.

Or to play a cracksquad of Clone Troopers in the height of the Clone Wars, delivering some Republic justice to clankers and alien scum across the fringes of the galaxy?

>>53049756
Because there is no reason to be. The game will almost certainly fail to live up to promises and expectations.

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>>53055048
Or...
3) It's a reference to her Mom, who's Trashlady and was forced to abandon her in order to protect her from Force-Sensitive child from the grip of Snoke and the Knights of Ren.

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>>53054895
The Thrawn Trilogy treated Stormtroopers as something special compared to Army Troopers, as did Isard's Revenge, the adventure journals of course were culled from WEG but they did show up in reprints and didn't SotE have green garbed armytroopers?

>>53051953
rebels, it happens once or twice.

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>>53054934
This is what arguing with a
>muh star wars must be a braindead simple spahse opruh
is like.

>>53055154
>spahse opruh
https://youtu.be/4MR6D7tL38U
Silly, that isn't the Star War.

>>53055154
>just because all of the movies aside from R1 were space opera, just because the cartoons were space opera, doesn't mean it's space opera

>>53055048
Hey dumbass: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/721158239161704448?lang=en

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Reminder that we don't have this yet in canon.

Are there any small scale troop carriers the rebel alliance frequently used, other than maybe repurposed lambdas? I'm drawing a blank right now and it's irritating the crap out of me.

>>53048409
>What's your fan theory /swg/?
About eight years from now, the collective geek opinion will be that the new movies aren't all that much better than the prequels.

>>53055401
It looks like the Empire tried to make a knockoff B-wing

>>53055449
U-Wings, I guess. They're shit as far as transporting troops are concerned, but they still get the job done.

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>>53055469
>comes to /swg/
>doesn't know 'bout the TIE Bizarro

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>>53055597
AKA just one of the many crazy TIE designs Sienar dreamt up in his spice-addled mind.

What are some good weapons to add to a HWK-1000? Or what are some good mods to add to it as well? Just bought the HWK-290 mini to use for our EotE session we have coming soon so I am excited.

>>53055465
And you're just ahead of the curve?

>>53055073
I'm incredibly biased, but you gotta got Clones. Even if they aren't bad batch, you can stick a full platoon -- of SpecOps, at least -- in a LAAT/i and offer your party a few NPC's in the form of the Larty's pilot and co-pilot, while still giving the players the chance to man guns when neccessary.

You just gotta remove them goddamn clankers. Just make sure your party is willing to play the entire game in piss-poor Kiwi accents for maximum authenticity.

What's your light freighter-fu, /swg/?

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>>53056391

YT-2400 looks like it'd be fun but the YT-2000 has my heart

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>>53056391
For me, it is the YT-1930, the best light freighter.

>>53054895
The recent Imperial handbook has them.

I hope we'll see some Compnor Assault next. I want my fanatized volksturm expies.

>>53049925
What are you supposed to be anyway, Black Raven Obsidian Delta Space SEAL Force Operator Team Six Six Six Dark Vengeance?

>>53050440
So forceful and passionate Chancellor Palpatine has hidden a core of utter serenity as hard as the space-diamond core of his saber, and he guides brash and raging aspiring Sith Lord Anakin Skywalker on a journey of introspection that ends with him a loving husband and father of twins?
Also, they got Robert Carlyle to play Obi-Wan instead. And lots of violence.

>>53056742
The Imperial Handbook is Legends.

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I'm vaguely tempted to rewrite basically the entire 1d4chan Armada page today at work.

Is a legion of screeching autists going to descend down upon all of my changes or am I free to do as I please?

>>53057390
only newfags use 1d4chan. It's widely ignored/disliked by actual 4chan users. Go ahead and edit it all.

>>53057429
So I will.

My desire is to make it a useful source of info to someone who just googled the game and found the article, so, newfags mostly, yes.

Since I don't use the site any more than the rest of /tg/ I was concerned an army of regular editors was going to crawl out of the woodwork and spout prequel quotes at me and then reset everything because change is bad.

So with regards to edge.

What other sil 5 ship can rival the Gozanti in bang for buck? This thing is a dream for my Mechanic.

>>53051890
That's an interesting idea - they split off and each separate part has the serenity to become a force ghost.

Anakin does get to be a snowflake that way, he did a good job of restoring balance to the force. If Luke's lack of formal training and having to wing most things makes him something other than a Jedi, by the time Anakin and Vader were done the balance was a big fat 0 vs 0.

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Any love for Adywan's Revisited cut here? He just announced this today.

>>53051890
>>53051890
>Star Wars was secretly UC Gundam all along

Heh

That twist would require acknowledging the prequels though, which I don't expect Disney to do. They can't have Vader's ghost around being evil without also having Anakin's ghost around to show there's been a separation.

>>53055597
They forget the oversize TIE with two ion engines on an armored hull and an off-axis, fixed superlaser.

>>53055073
You're making me think in terms of the PCs being assigned to sort problems out in some understaffed sector, maybe even one where the Rebels have a local advantage.

Or the mob is getting out of hand with piracy and dope and trafficking and shit and they're cutting in Hutts to pay off the Grand Moff to not reinforce the sector.

Or there's some weird shit only appearing in this issue of Dark Horse's Star Wars going on and with the one local ISD tied down guarding the Moff's fat cowardly ass it's up to everyone else to nail it down and nail it to the wall.

Or all three in which case the Rebels may be the lesser evil.

Say they operate out of a Raider, usually in a Lambda - could could go the FASA ST RPG road and have a command crew and a bunch of more hands on types, probably stormies?

>>53048409
Is Ahsoka considered to be a good character?
My friend loves her and says she's the best evah, but then again my friend is a dumb fangirl.

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>>53058287
I find her pretty boring. She's one of two characters who could be considered the Roman Reigns of the franchise. Someone more entertaining should have been pushed in marketing instead of her.

>>53058371
>Someone more entertaining should have been pushed in marketing instead of her.
Hondo should've been the main character of TCW

>>53058287
I like her design and her relationship with Anakin in TCW+Rebels was pretty well done I thought.

>>53054704
I actually really like Cassian Andor, shooting his contact in the back because the way the contact was characterized made it seem like he 1) break and 2) slow Andor down.

>>53058371
>t. Only seen clone wars movie

>>53058600
He's a boring and poorly written character, but I agree that specific component was neat. A whole spy thriller full of backstabbing and intrigue and dying bothans might've been fun.

>>53058704
In your opinion. No worse than Finn I can casually and joyfully kill my own brothers and sisters despite leaving them in the first place because I don't want to kill.

>>53058287
I like her, she has all her own issues to deal with, guilt about abandoning Anakin, and realises the Jedi got the war very wrong.

>>53058679
I tried watching the TV show. The only episodes I enjoyed were the ones about the clones or Hondo. Still can't be bothered to give a shit about Ahsoka.

>>53058875
So you only watched the first season. Ahsoka is supposed to start off as a shitty character but by the end she receives the most character development of almost any character movie or otherwise.

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posting up a non cannon race from an old UK based magazine from the UK called gamesmaster international.

I've from experience found that the Tor-ohnami , while powerful, are in my opinion stymied by the extreme pacifism that this article writes them as having. I'd suggest either dialling it down so that its more a vow of self pacificism or else leave them as a NPC race only.

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>>53056391
YZ 775 A BEST! 400 METRIC TONS OF PURE L O D E M O N E! WHATS THAT SPELL? LODESAMONE (PROBABLY)

YOU GOT PIRATE TROUBLES? I FEEL BAD FOR YOU SON CAUSE I GOT TURBOLASERS! TWO OF 'EM! I GOT TWIN DOUBLE LASER CANNONS! THAT'S FOUR LASER CANNONS! STILL GOT PIRATE TROUBLE? NOT ANYMORE, SON, CAUSE THAT AIN'T ALL I GOT! PROTON TORPEDO TUBES! BAM! TWO OF THOSE MUTHAFUCKAS! TWENTY-GODDAMN-FOUR TORPEDOS!

ALL FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF 500k CREDITS!

IF YOU AINT RIDING IN CEC STYLE YOU AINT SHIT, NIGGA!

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>>53058932
also apologies for the file size

>>53058901
No, I watched most of the /swg/ recommended viewing list. Still indifferent, still put to sleep every time she shows up. I'd rather have more episodes about the clones or bounty hunters. Clone-era Jedi just don't do it for me anymore. After Tartakovsky wars, the Dark Horse Clone-era comics, and all the vidya, I've begun to suffer lightsaber fatigue. My interest in a piece of Clone-era media is inversely proportional to the amount of screen time given to OJO members.

How close is X-Wing to running out of ships to offer? Surely it can't go on forever...?

Have we ever heard much about what happened to all the separatist equipment in the new canon?

Seems like, after what the empire became, any separatists still living would feel pretty vindicated in rebelling .

>>53058287
Put it this way.

I hate Rey. I hate Jyn. I hate the SJW-ening and faggot tumblr pandering of new SW.

I liked Ahsoka because the tired story of "impetuous youth being tempered by experience" was handled very well with her. She fucks up. She makes mistakes. And she gets more competent. I like that.

Haven't seen Rebels yet though, so dunno if they bungle the handling of the character there.

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>>53059158
>How close
Not even close. Disney intends to keep creating nucanon content, which means there will always be a chance for new ships to come out. If Disney and FFG ever run out of ideas, they can also always go back to the Legends bin and old concept art.

>>53059200

She's barely in rebels. A few episodes here and there but she's a different person (Not in a bad way). A lot calmer and more experienced, rather than just being the person she was at the end of clone wars.

>>53059200
I don't understand how anyone can hate Rey.

She doesn't have enough personality to be hate-able.

>>53059130
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE SICK OF A HUGE PART OF STAR WARS, AND THAT MAKES AHSOKA A BAD CHARACTER?

>>53059278
It's what she represents.

>>53059322

...which is? <Person> grows up on <Shithole>, turns out to have fantastic potential as Jedi isn't really new.

>>53059306
She's not entertaining enough to counteract my lightsaber fatigue. She doesn't really differentiate herself much from any other new meat protagonist who exchanges optimism for experience. She doesn't bring enough new stuff to the table to be interesting for me. Replace her with someone like Zayne Carrick and my interest will instantly skyrocket.

>>53059450
She's representative of the agenda of shitty identity politics and "REPRESENTATION".

>>53059525
... because she's arbitrarily a woman?

She's literally just a genderswapped Luke.

>>53059525

How would you have a female protagonist without is being called identity politics/representation?

>>53059450
No, anon is just triggered because he can't stand the thought of vaginas in his space wizard movies.

>>53059542

He wouldn't.
That's the entire point of this.

>>53059532
The choice is hardly arbitrary. The choice to make every SW protagonist a woman is so fucking forced and inorganic and done to cleave to PC identity politics bullshit, nothing more, nothing less.

Granted thinking about it Jyn isn't... TERRIBLE, but she compounds the problem of Rey, and confirms a trend.

>>53059564
>The choice to make every SW protagonist a woman
>every protagonist a woman

Finn and Poe are women now?
Luke's a woman?
That Han Solo backstory film, is that detailing what Han and Lando's lives were like before they transitioned to become men?

Seriously anon, you're talking about what will be a 9 film main series, and (at least) a three film spinoff series.

One spinoff film has the female character as the primary protagonist, and three of the main series films do.

Is that really so horrific for you?

>>53059542
>>53059563
How are you two so blind to this? Have you not fucking heard how the public talks nowadays?

I hate it because it's forced, because it's inorganic, because it's cleaving to a narrative, to an agenda.

Legitimately, how many women do you know that actually give a shit about this IP on the level you see in SWG? I have yet to see one who isn't just buying into this tooth-grindingly asinine geek-chic fad. IMSONERDY

>>53059595
>Legitimately, how many women do you know that actually give a shit about this IP on the level you see in SWG?

Myself, for one.
Also the other two women in my EotE game.
Also two of my female friends beyond that.

>>53059591
Nah, the problem with the Han Solo movie is casting a literally who as Han and billing one of the hottest rappers right now as Lando, effectively making it the Lando movie.

I don't need Troy from community who raps about my apparent white fucking privilege becoming Tumblr's next "WE'RE SO NERDY" darling.

>>53059595

>Legitimately, how many women do you know that actually give a shit about this IP on the level you see in SWG?

My three sisters? We all watched the movies as kids and are still super into it?

>>53059532
The issue is that she's portrayed without any flaws so she can be a "strong female character." So she ends up as bland as oatmeal.

Where Luke's first action scene consisted of getting beaten over the head and saved by an old dude, Rey's first action scene was only there to establish her as a unrealistic badass and shame Finn/the audience for thinking that she needed to be "saved."

>>53059564

>Every

...you know they've confirmed a Han Solo movie, right?

>>53059612
Congratulations, you're either a liar or a statistical fucking anomaly.

Actually, no, it's far more likely this is a fashionable choice for you, and you just think you and your friends care.

>>53059595
>how many women do you know that actually give a shit about this IP on the level you see in SWG?
A couple. I don't know that many people though, I assume there are many more.

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>>53058287
I think she's a relatively good character.

Just a perspective from the other side, Ahsoka is my wife's favourite female character in all the Star Wars stuff. She likes Leia from the original trilogy and generally so-so about any of the others.
Course they did some stuff to her in Rebels which caused some 'emotional trauma'. Fuck you Dave Filoni, you made my wife upset and I had to listen to it for about a week

>>53059631

So you ask the question, I answer honestly, and your response is only LMAO YOURE EITHER LYING OR WRONG OR JUST REALLY RARE AND SO ARE YOUR FRIENDS.


I've wanted to be an x-wing pilot since I saw A New Hope at age fucking 6.
I spent my teens reading and re-reading the Wraith Squadron novels and wishing I was Tyria Sarkin. I was heartbroken that I never got to play Star Wars Galaxies becuase I didnt have a PC that could run it when it was still good.

I nearly cried when they released the first teaser for Episode 7, and even though I tried desperately to not get my hopes up for it, I went to see it at 1AM on release day with my best friend of 18 years. It wasnt as good as it could've been, but at least it wasn't Phantom Menace.
I have every single Star Wars novel on my kindle, and I had nearly 80 of them in chronological order on a shelf before I mvoed and had to pack them up.
I've had to rebuy Wraith Squadron twice because I wore it through with rereading.

What Im trying to say, anon, is go fuck yourself.

>>53059653
>filoni's waifu-killing magic is so advanced that it can even emotionally injure real waifus
I bet the sith are behind this

>>53059631
not her but I've never been in a Star Wars RPG group without at least one woman in it.

>>53059766

Makes sense. Star Wars literally defined the Blockbuster movie, you don't get that with only men.

>>53059720
Don't bite the bait.

>>53059631
Non-male here.
The fact that there are girls and women in the fandom doesn't mean you don't have your place in it anon. No one's gonna kick you out of liking Star Wars. Even if you hate all the new ones on political grounds you can still like the OT and some other stuff right?

This is not sarcastic btw, I'm trying to be sincere and to make you feel less bad.

>>53059595
>I hate it because it's forced, because it's inorganic, because it's cleaving to a narrative, to an agenda

It's a female instead of a male. There are two choices of equal merit and they picked one.

>>53059782
Star Wars was designed with mass appeal across all boundaries of sex, race, class, etc.
While it's gotten a bit pandering of late, it's not outside of the realm of what Star Wars was initially intended to be.

>>53059623
That is a writing flaw applicable to every Disney character, and has nothing to do with Rey not being a man.

>>53057848
It's an impressive level of autism but will it actually make for a better film?

>>53059785
You're right, of course.
Sorry lads.

>>53059782
Of my parents, it's always been my mum who gets hype about Star Wars with me, rather than my dad.
When me and my mum used to go over and look after my gran before she died, we'd be listening to the SW soundtracks most of the drive, and she was the one who requested it.

She was actually quite upset when I told her about those female Rebel pilots they cut from Return of the Jedi - moreso than I was, even.

>>53059844

Likewise in the case of my dad, though that's due to his age. He's got well over a decade on my mum and has never really liked sci-fi so my mum took us to see Star Wars and thus got super into it.

>>53059859

My dad's a massive sci-fi nerd, he just never really got as into SW as me and my mum.

He used to let me stay up late when I was little to watch Babylon 5 on tv with him and shit like that, though.

>>53059833
If Rey was a man, they wouldn't have shown Finn trying to save her so that they could "subvert" the damsel in distress cliche. That was blatant pandering to feminism and cheapened the whole experience.

Otherwise, I don't have an issue with the protagonist being female. I feel that they would have made a more flawed/realistic character if he was male, though. Kylo Ren is by far the most interesting character in TFA for that reason. Hell, even Finn is more interesting than Rey simply because he's cowardly.

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>>53059748
He is a bastard

>>53059782
As a genre, sci-fi has always been sort of sympathetic to female roles a bit more than some of the others.
Not always, but its probably one of the few which gave a bit of screen time (that isn't just jiggly bits and a pretty face to be rescued) and the odd female lead since around the 1980's.

>>53048409

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

>>53059922
>If Rey was a man, they wouldn't have shown Finn trying to save her so that they could "subvert" the damsel in distress cliche
>ignoring that ANH subverted that trope in the same exact way.
Did you even watch the fucking movies?

>>53059922

>If Rey was a man, they wouldn't have shown Finn trying to save her so that they could "subvert" the damsel in distress cliche.

Mind you, they also did that with Leia. They turned up to rescue her, got in over their heads and she had to solve the problem for them.

>>53059971
14yo le Reddit scum

Kill yourself

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>>53059971
Lightweight

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>>53048503

I like all the movies. I think they all have flaws, but nothing is perfect. The prequels have bad dialogue but that was all due to Lucas's hack writing and directing. If the prequels had a better writer and director, they'd probably have ended up fantastic. My only issue with Rogue One was the jumping around to different locations in the first hour. Also I am scared that I'll never see an on-screen Zabrak or Twi'lek again (besides that holo in Rogue One).

I love all the games, canon or no.

I also loved The Clone Wars, Rebels started out really stale and boring for the most part, but the third season was really good.

As for Jar Jar, I don't give a shit now. I remember loving him when I saw it in theaters and I was 8 or 9 at the time. Now I kind of just tolerate him (as Qui-Gon does in the film).

I also have little issue with the whole midichlorian thing. Like people say the Force should be mysterious, but I mean the midichlorians are there just to explain how Jedi can manipulate it and others can't.

I think I am a rare breed of Star Wars fan. I think after I watched The People vs George Lucas I kind of 100% changed my perspective of it. That movie was literally "Star Wars fans HATE Star Wars: The film," and Mark Hamill even said so.

Also, last time I saw ANH it was the Cantina clip shown in a history of film class, and this fucking kid in the back was screaming that Han is supposed to shoot first. Like shit, those people are out of their minds just watch and enjoy the fucking movie lol. The only issue I have with the shooting first thing is that it's edited a bit eh. Like Han darts his head to the side super fast lmao. But really it's not a big deal to me at all.

>>53059214
That TIE with the wings intakes is glorious.

>>53060080
Him shooting last serves no purpose, and undermines his redemption arc from scoundrel to altruistic rebel hero.
But I'm not mad at it, the edited version doesn't make the other cut less available.

>>53060178
>the edited version doesn't make the other cut less available.
It did for a very long time, to be fair.

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>>53059980
>>53059986
...But they actually did save Leia. The "somebody's got to save our skins" line was a small quip. Yes, Leia was useful in the escape. That was a great character aspect! But she didn't undermine the agency of the male characters to do so, and ultimately she was the archetypal rescued damsel.

Legitimately, what does Finn do in TFA? I assume he was useful in some way, but I can't recall a specific instance. He just seems like a foil to set up Rey as a invincible female lead who doesn't need any help. Which is a shitty concept for a character-driven space opera.

The original Star Wars trilogy was great because of the strength of its main cast (Luke, Han, and Leia). They all had their moments, and they all relied on each other. TFA has none of that.

>>53060210

>Legitimately, what does Finn do in TFA? I assume he was useful in some way, but I can't recall a specific instance. He just seems like a foil to set up Rey as a invincible female lead who doesn't need any help. Which is a shitty concept for a character-driven space opera.

He's the entire reason they win? He knew the layout of Starkiller base as well as the way to get past the shields as well as was the person who could navigate it while there.

Of the Pair, Rey is a LOT less crucial to the actual main plot. Most of her stuff was personal conflict and setting up for future movies. She didn't actually have any real effect on the main plot past getting Finn off planet.

>>53048409
>What's your fan theory /swg/?
A light/dark balanced force user will be able to generate a "lightsaber" without the use of a hilt or crystal. The plasma will be generated by an effect similar to Force Lightning but focused into a blade with the discipline of the Light Side.

>>53060210
For starters, he's the only reason Poe managed to escape the Imperials

>>53059949
>As a genre, sci-fi has always been sort of sympathetic to female roles a bit more than some of the others.
That makes perfect sense to me actually. IMO the elevation of mental traits over physical ones is at the core of much of Sci-Fi, and it's always been technology that has paved the way for social movements. There wouldn't be women's suffrage without the industrial revolution, so in settings where physical might is represented not by a burly SLAB SQUATTHRUST kinda guy but by some Wookie or Gamorrean then you naturally have women capable of taking more major roles without any sort of cognitive dissonance taking place since it's not women who are viewed as physically weak but humans in general. Not to mention that if Samuel Colt made man equal, then Merr Sonn must make all species equal.

>>53060316

>then you naturally have women capable of taking more major roles without any sort of cognitive dissonance taking place since it's not women who are viewed as physically weak but humans in general.

On the other major sci-fi franchise: Kinda makes me sad Star Trek has never really taken advantage of that. The female vulcan of note...was pointless fanservice with no real combat skills despite vulcans being several times stronger than humans. Not like they couldn't have used someone who could punch what with how Archer's combat prowess could be generously called 'Shit'.

>>53060254
That seems more like something anybody could have done, though. It wasn't a strength of his character that he happened to have that knowledge. Fair point, though.

>>53060273
You're right. IMHO, that scene was the only good part of the film. The interactions between Finn and Poe felt natural. Like I was actually watching Star Wars.

>>53060392

>It wasn't a strength of his character that he happened to have that knowledge.

No but it was that he was a Stormtrooper who wanted to rebel and thus had that knowledge. Any stormtrooper could have done it but only one stormtrooper WOULD do it.

I do find it kinda funny though that for all people talk about her: Rey didn't really DO much for the plot once she was off planet. She wandered off to get in a pointless punch up with another force user with psychological issues while the other guys actually won the day.

>>53060355
Enterprise in general was mostly fanservice and missed opportunities.

>>53059720
>not wanting to be a Y-wing pilot at age 6
Your opinion is perfectly valid but I will mildly disagree with it because seriously Y-wings look great and blasting TIEs out of the sky with your 'inferior' craft is fun

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>>53060555

Not gonna lie, I did always like the Y, but the X-wing has always done something special to me.
I fucking adore that thing man.

>>53060555
>>53060598
The ARC-170 is the classic hot rod of starships and deserves more love (and a hyperdrive)

>>53060439
>No but it was that he was a Stormtrooper who wanted to rebel and thus had that knowledge. Any stormtrooper could have done it but only one stormtrooper WOULD do it.

Sure, you're right. But Finn's conflict was all resolved in the first ten minutes, once he decided to betray The First Order. He had no driving motive through the rest of the film. He was entirely defined by that one trait ("former stormtrooper").

>I do find it kinda funny though that for all people talk about her: Rey didn't really DO much for the plot once she was off planet. She wandered off to get in a pointless punch up with another force user with psychological issues while the other guys actually won the day.

Right, but isn't that a major problem of the film? It was hyper-focused on Rey, while it all but ignored the actually important people destroying the doomsday weapon.

That's part of what I'm saying. It seems like with Rey's character they were too focused on making a badass female lead. Her conflict with Kylo could have been a slice of the climax, rather than the whole of it.

Since Finn had no arc after the first ten minutes, maybe he could have been the plucky starfighter rookie who overcomes his cowardice to land the final shot? Oh. But I guess they needed to make him a loser who gets overcome by Kylo so they can show off the badass Mary Sue.

>>53060643

>Oh. But I guess they needed to make him a loser who gets overcome by Kylo

Honestly, I think he did pretty damn well. He managed to get a hit in on Kylo, which is far beyond what you'd expect most non-force users to do vs a Jedi.

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>>5305501
Don't cut yourself on that edge right there

>>53060750
Am I the only one here who thinks that Force Users are too OP and kind of invalidate most of the setting when they appear?

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>>53060634
>Classic hot rod
>Not the Mk 1 Headhunter

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>>53060316
Yeah that's a fairly interesting correlation of art imitating life I guess.
I've known a few engineers and software devs that where ladies and where very good at their jobs, they aren't as common as fellas for lots of reasons but they're not completely absent either from technical and mechanical fields.
Though true suffering was my first command that had about 40% women in it- they drove trucks, fixed things, did all the other field stuff without issue. Except for the fact they where rough as guts, swore like sailors and could be extremely vicious towards one another... fuck my life they're mean when riled up.

You wouldn't really want them in a combat situation, they're usually bloody awful shots, can't carry as much gear and probably liable to torture captives to death for fun and amusement.

>>53060918
The headhunter is more classic muscle than a hot rod.
Think like a 55 T-Bird VS a 70 Charger

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Imperial Assault is about to start.

Wish me luck.

>>53061013

Aw shit son, good luck.
WHo are you rolling with?

>>53060975
>they're usually bloody awful shots, can't carry as much gear and probably liable to torture captives to death for fun and amusement.
Sounds like the ANA, but with less drugs and bestiality

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>>53060789
>too OP
Writers just like to put them in situations where their counters are conspicuously absent. We rarely ever see Force-sensitives being targeted by snipers or airstrikes, stepping on mines, or being run over by tanks.

>>53060750
>He managed to get a hit in on Kylo, which is far beyond what you'd expect most non-force users to do vs a Jedi.
Not that Kylo manages the bearing and ability of a jedi.