So what is this bullshit? Does that mean we're suddenly

>>52997996
that mean the price will most lilely increase 15-20% for yuropoor and britbong.
They try to make substantially more money despite The GBP loosing value

Where have you found that? I'm looking in the online store and I don't seem to be able to find it

Or is it only a Britain thing?

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>>52997996
>games workshop trying to devalue good boy points

>>52998053
Shitfuck. Some people were sayibg it was destined to people living in the "Rest of Europe" category on their website. I hope it is, the UK prices were the best on the market, while the US ones are understandable only because they need to ship the products across the world.

>>52998124
Just posted on Adeptus Astartes on fb. Some people received that email, others didn't.

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>>52997996
THIS IS THE NEW GAMES WORKSHOP

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>>52998130
Good thing I cashed out last week and begged mommy for a Switch

So this is the power of Brexit

>>52998147
with the pound falling so much they have to adjust their prices for europe it only makes sense

meanwhile they are finally letting the US use webstores starting may 3rd

>>52998053
>that mean the price will most lilely increase 15-20% for yuropoor
>>52998131
>while the US ones are understandable only because they need to ship the products across the world.
Shipping doesn't cost nearly that much money. Additionally shipping crossed the Atlantic (via boat or plane), is cheaper still due to all the commercial traffic that takes those routes.

This is a cash grab plain and simple.

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>>52997996
Its a yuge screw.
Looks like its time to make Britain great again and rejoin the EU now that you've learned about what you were talking about all along.

Believe me.

>>52997996

This would be a massive price hike.

>>52998053
> lilely increase 15-20%

I wish. A start collecting box is £50 in the UK and $85 in the USA.

Due to the weakened pound $85 is about £65. That is a 30% price increase.This might be one of the largest prices hikes GW has ever done for people in the UK.

>>52998460
Please EU, take us back in, I don't want my little plastic men to be even more expensive. ;_;

>>52998216
Nah, this is only the start.
But it is also GW taking advantage to line their pockets and pad the investors reports.

>>52997996
It does say "in your country" and a commentary on fb said people from Turkey received that email. Could it be thay only those people will see a price hike?

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>>52998495
>mfw May is actually surprised to see the EU leaders to come together and be tough bastards to negotiate with

>>52998510
Well considering this is the first time they've been anything other than spinless cowards...

>>52997996

source?

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>>52998568

>>52998253

The pound falling just makes the sales they make abroad worth more. This is just a stealth price hike.

It is also very odd as prices in GW stores and the GW website will be different now & it will confuse many people as people expect websites to be in the correct currency for their area.

So, I don't see any sense in this. Well apart from raising prices.

>>52998585

I'm from germany and I did not recieve such a mail.

>>52998585
Wait. So it's JUST for the EU and not the UK or both?

>>52998547
We're talking about politicians, after all.

>>52998604
Rest of EU is a category in the online store
Countries like Germany, France or Italy have their own section, so apparently they'll not be affected by this

I sure fucking hope that germany is exempt from this.

>>52998622
Christ, the comparison to the EU acting like a mob boss sure is apt, huh?

>>52998629
I think that's what it's all about. The "Rest of EU" category will see a price hike, and that's about it.

>>52998629

ah okay, I see. Thank you for the clarification.

>>52998629
So basically all of eastern europe, but with poland being replaced by portugaul?

>>52998497
Just another nazi crusader nation trying to provoke erdogun. he'll show them. he'll show them right

>>52998634
>I don't want to be part of your club anymore!
>ok but you don't get benefits from being in it anymore
>whaaaaa you're a bully

>>52998647
Show us what? His wikipedia page?

>>52998634
>Country gets pissy and wants to leave while keeping the cake, eat it, and get the shop's money while it's at it
>"WTF dude no,do like everyone elsr if you want the cake, pay up"
>Waaaah EU is being rude

It would have been extremely silly to not expect the EU to tell the UK to fuck off when trying to retain all the advantages while having none of the drawbacks, come on. I don't want to start a sterile political debate, but as of now, the EU is acting like every expert predicted it would. It's more like our politicians that are actually surprised that suddenly the EU can get its shit together.

>>52998497
Just another nazi crusader nation trying to provoke erdogun. he'll show them. he'll show them right

>>52998647
I have to admit, I laughed.

>>52998460
Or not.

>>52998652
>>52998664
EU should never have existed in the form it is now.

But that's perfectly fine, paying a membership to prop up other countries just for free trade that could be done without the political union that we have now is retard.

Guess their budget that helps with brainwashing people to be pro-EU is working.

But no worries, when German industry tells its politicians to shut the fuck up you'll see a change in their tone.

>>52998707
Let's not get in a political debate here, but rather jope that this price hike doesn't concern one of us.

Ah yes, Brexit

>>52998707
Don't worry my man, most european companies are pretty happy to see their brits competitors just fuck off from the market. They will be fine.

>>52998463
Damn, that's quite a lot.
Well, freedom from the tyranny of stable prices is all that matters, right?

>>52998607
Eu is priced like Britain, isn't it?

>>52998750
>Eu is priced like Britain, isn't it?
since the brits never adopted the same currency as the rest of the eu: no

>>52998750
Compared to
>>52998463
A start collecting box is 65€ in the EU, which would be 55£.

>>52998720
No business is ever sad to see it's competition vanish. The only exception is if it's cause the industry itself is dying

>>52998720
>>52998792
That being said, if its your suppliers dying as well you've suddenly got a problem

>>52998799
Suppliers ain't your competition. They're your suppliers

>>52998707
EU as a trade union is a fantastic idea.

EU as a cooperate attempt at dealing with international crime is great.

EU as a pseudo US is fucking retarded, and an idea that should never have been conceived in the first place.

t. Denmark

We even got kicked out of the international police partnership, because we didn't want to give the EU full authority to come in and make arrests, with 0 influenze or permissions from our country.

The EU is an abomination, and it is killing itself by acting like some evil organisation trying to take over the world. Like, we are hilariously close to being a carbon copy of some bad villain organisation from an old video game.

Watch as GB gets submerged the first chance the EU gets, to bomb them off the world map, because of "unwillingness to cooperate"

>>52998750

At least in italy you pay around 5 euros more

>>52998810
I think that attitude is surprisingly common amongst the brits. I mean their stance is 90% advocating for trade and nothing else, which is maybe a little too far, but I guess we'll see.

>>52998828
Yes, but if we stick to trade, then the EU cant force your military to dress up in evil uniforms, and March to an evil and ominous theme song, while invading the dirty Asian countries, while also suppressing "dissenting citizens"

>>52998810
If that happens then the US will probably come over to freedomize the shit out the EU and a good number of member nations would just up and leave the EU as a result.

>>52998861
Well in that case I think we probably need to make an example of the Brits

>>52998864
>If
I wish I had your optimism my friend

>>52998873
+1

The EU visible don't give a shit, likely because they are already planning how to murder the fuck out of GB.

We dont need to worry about price hikes.

>>52998792
Every business in every industry is happy to see its competition vanish, which will lead to a lucrative monopoly due to economies of scale, and all the benefits of a price fixing cartel. New competitors usually can't penetrate the market - if the barrier of entry isn't high enough already, the company in a monopoly position can just temporarily lower its products' prices until the small business goes bankrupt. The usual way to accomplish this is by simply buying every competitor, which is why antitrust legislation exists to prevent this natural outcome of capitalism and to promote competition.

>>52998886
Yes, thank you for elaborating. Econ major?

>>52998810
>>52998884
The conspiracy is strong in this one. The EU can barely agree on simple stuff, at most they'll be happy if the UK's economy takes a hit, but it's just plain autism to think of the EU as some evil organisation. I'm pro European, and even I can see it's at most a bunch of politicians that want countried to get along and economies to flourish and ar worst puppets for companies to not get regulations into their businesses.

>>52998919
>I'm pro European, and even I can see it's at most a bunch of politicians that want countried to get along and economies to flourish
Well of course you'd see it like that, that's not really a surprising statement if you're pro-eu

>>52998976
Except the exact same argument can be used against an anti-eu when it starts shouting on every roof that the EU is some kind of evil organisation ruling to dominate the world you silly.

Trust me, the EU is mostly harmless. The most "menacing" and actually harmful they've ever been was when they applied sanctions on Russia, and still it wasn't that much.

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>>52998981
>mfw the actuam survivors and fighters of WW2 are actually warning about the rise of the far right yet people don't listen to them

I swear people have short memories.

>>52998981
>and now every member state wants to cherry-pick the good bits and scream 'foreign domination' when it is requested to voluntarily cede its competences to the union.

Hey, I am all for separatism.
Idiots can only be taught by beating the hell out of them. Just let all these "nations" leave EU, NATO and see how long their clay remains theirs.
There's far too many artificial nations in Europe at the moment and they exist solely because of these integration policies.
They have no armies to protect themselves, no economies to benefit the world. All they have is some irrelevant patch of land they are horribly mis-managing.

>>52998981
Well yea. It was always the dream of socialist France to cripple it's neighbors

>>52999011

Well, you may be all for 'idiots can only be taught by beating the hell out of them', but as a European citizen, and one who knows that the pre-1945 history of Europe goes something like 'Nations national interests collided. War ensued. The civilian populace was massacred. Thousands, if not millions died.' repeated ad infinitum, I think that the 'beating the hell out of the idiot' approach has been quite exhausted

>>52999011
>mfw an independent Scotland and united Ireland might be a possibility because of Brexit
Not going to be so United of a Kingdom after that. I'd gladly support the Scots for a bit so we can laugh at the Brit's expense.

>>52998981
Britain signed up only if it would remain a trade union. Don't blame them for leaving when it starts acting like a nation

>>52999052
I'm pretty sure he didn't mean actively attacking a country. More like let it die out on its own because of the consequence of leaving the EU and Nato.

>>52998981
>(that were largely prevented from re-occuring due to the EU)
Yeah, nah
That was just due to having to pull together against the Soviets. The EU hasn't been around long enough to have prevented any serious wars yet.

>>52999055
>Scotland leaves the UK
>England no longer deals with the dead weight
>Europe has to deal with about 2 million overweight heroine addicts

So this means that are prices are even, all based off the US dollar? Feel our pain, its been like this a while for us burgers.

>>52999077
Only for the "rest of europe" store. Mostly eastern europe.

>>52999057

Well, no. Taking an enormous and complex issue such as 'reasons x joined the European Union' and giving a simple, easy to follow answer such as 'only as long as it remained a trade union' doesn't follow.

You know how the EU treaties have to be ratified by every member state to pass? And you know how the EU began to integrate politically with the Lisbon and Maastricht treaties? Who do you think agreed to that? (Hint: All the member states. Including the UK)

>>52999052
European citizen lol

>>52999052
>European citizen

Fucking state of you, mate.

>>52999085
Actually you can. Sorry europoor. UK sacrificed global trade in a time of austerity. They didn't do that to be told what do do by Germans

>>52999084
Either way, this will have more folks butthurt on prices. I just got into this, its hard to justify buting some of this and wil be making some of my own vehicles

>>52999071

The EU has been around in various forms for over half a century.

The first world war and second world war happened between 1914 and 1945, a period of 31 years.

No one can really say the EU prevented something from happening, because it never happened to be prevented, you know? So you look at the empirical evidence. How many wars have been fought between member states of the EU? 0.

>>52999085
And clearly the British people didn't like that, and are leaving.

>>52999101
Making your own shit is encouraged, anon. Go for it.

>>52998652
>I don't want to be part of your club anymore!
>ok pay us a £50 billion leaving fee goyim
>no
>waaah, you want to have your cake and eat it

>>52999085
>British government agrees to integration
>British people don't like the direction the EU is heading
>Vote to leave by small margin
Seems pretty sensible to me

>>52999107
Saying the European prevented wars is like saying umbrellas stop skin cancer.
Maybe in the most abstract way. But the biggest prevention of war is the diplomatic relations

>>52999109

Despite liking that and signing up to it in the first place lol.

Whatever, my original point wasnt about Brexit, it was about the EU and some Danish guy and a flawed perception of why the EU exists. I dont want to feed brexiteers belief that England is the center of the world, so I want to veer away from discussing brexit.

>>52999121
The fact that the 50 billion has literally no reference to what that is for is hilarious

>>52999123

And the EU and diplomatic relations are completely unrelated, are they?

>>52999107
>How many wars have been fought between member states of the EU? 0.

A statistic like that is worthless without a baseline for comparison. How many wars have been fought between countries of comparable wealth and demographic makeup to EU members in the same time frame? Have switzerland, canada, australia, america, japan new zealand and norway fought any wars with each other or with EU members since the EU was founded?

>>52999136
As has been shown recently, seems like the EU is putting Europe at eachother's throats rather than pulling them together at the moment

>>52999139
Damn good point

>>52999139
Two NATO allies fought a war over Cyprus.

>>52999125
I mean 40 years ago we agreed to join a trading union, then all that happened with the government agreeing to it and the people disagreed and now we're leaving. And fuck off with calling the UK England.

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>>52998460
>Pay more for your basket of goods for foreign products

Or

>get payed less by real wage

Yeah no fuck off cunt move to scotland if you want to rejoin the EU

>>52999136
Considering the eu, not the countries themselves are now trying to cracking down on dissent. I'd say the eu has done nothing but ruin relations

>>52997996
I dont get it, if its an equivalent exchange by real value and not nominal isn't this just arbitrary or are they actually going to go by nominal value just to fuck people over?

>>52999139

Yep, welcome to the democratic peace theory. The EU promotes good governance, stability, economic growth and democracy.

Heres a couple of things for you to think about; when the Iberian countries emerged from fascism, which organization helped ease their transition into democracy and economic recovery?

When the central and european countries emerged from Soviet domination after the collapse of the Soviet union, which political organisation was it their overarching objective to join? Why did all these countries turn into stable democracies and not descend into violence?

I mean, come on, why, after Brexit, do you think that the Northern Irish peace process has suddenly become an issue after all but disappearing?

I'm leaving here because I have to work, and this is ridiculously off topic for /tg/ (sorry mods), but just think about it, do a little research.

>>52999174
They are going by nominal value.

>>52999107
This, its going to turn out to be the League of Nations 2.0 and do fuck all except wag finger at people.

>>52999121
>>52999131
Was it literally a meaningless number? I don't keep up with european politics, but that seems ridiculous.

>>52999052
>as a European citizen
So how fucking romania this days ??

t french that will hopefully GTFO of UE soon

>>52999183
>why, after Brexit, do you think that the Northern Irish peace process has suddenly become an issue
This one is literally because of the EU

>>52999195

The 50 billion number gets thrown around a lot in the British press, it was literally a spur-of-the-moment guess by Juncker as to what the cost of paying the commitments that Britain had already signed up for would be. As it turns out, he was more or less in the ballpark according to most people, so the number stuck around.

Brexiteers throw it around as a punishment tax, or a bill for leaving, but its literally just what Britain has already signed up for (and more than that, it was actually nothing more than a guess)

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>>52999183
>The EU promotes good governance, stability, economic growth and democracy.
>people still believe this in the year of our lord 2017

>>52999196
We won't, you stupid declinist cuck.

>>52998707
>But no worries, when German industry tells its politicians to shut the fuck up you'll see a change in their tone.
>Still believing Germany can force the rest of the EU to do things

How'd that go with the migrant crisis?

Face it, the UK will get a shitty deal and if you believe anything else you're either retarded or naive.

>>52999253
>How'd that go with the migrant crisis?
I mean it did go. Other countries that would otherwise not have been involved took a share of the migrants. It didn't work perfectly but then again what does?

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>>52999184
baka Games Workshop is the work of the devil

>>52999224
>the new right invents fake news
colour me surprised

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Is France concerned? I have not recieved anything and I must purchase 150€ worth of empire units

>>52999183
>Why did all these countries turn into stable democracies and not descend into violence?
Bullshit. Kosovo turned into a complete shithole immediately after the iron curtain fell. Get that EU cock out of your ass.

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>>52999272
>implying the new left is any different

Everyone has an agenda desu

>>52999290

Lol. And Kosovo was one of the countries under the influence of the Soviet Union, was it?

If anything, the stark contrast between the fate of the ex-yugo and the ex-warsaw pact countries should reveal something quite different about the EU and the benefits of its membership to you

>>52999276
You should buy a gun there Ratatouille.

>>52999224
>Junkers
>right about anything

UK owes the eu nothing

>>52999276
This, i am gonna pay 60 bucks for a Fire warrior strike team ?

>>52999276
No, France isn't in the rest of the eu store, you have your own.

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>>52999010
>far right

Bro you have communistsin Turkey and Fascists + Communists in Greece. If you think the far right is what needs to be worried about...

>>52999328
>>52999329

>>52999224
It was the number Michel Barnier (the EU chief Brexit negotiator) gave to all his diplomats and the leaders of the EU. You are misinformed, similar with the "you already agreed to pay", the 50 billion does not at all coincide with the figure in the 2017 budget, which has also already been paid, and the pension pot for British EU staff (we have 1023).

>>52998981
>world wars (that were largely prevented from re-occuring due to the EU)

Yeah, absolutely nothing at all to do with the fact that all the old rivals were in NATO together for several decades before the EU existed, right?

>>52999329
Oh cool, very Nice
I want to do a drawing to thank you
What do you want

>>52997996
Hang on, this would mean prices would drop in Australia. Could we finally see reasonable prices here?

>>52999343
Again, Greece and Turkey fought a war over Cyprus after both had been in NATO for decades.

>>52998131
>while the US ones are understandable only because they need to ship the products across the world.
Shipping costs should be part of the "shipping costs" at the end of a bill rather than item price.

>>52999319
Yeah. All the economies of the poorer eu states are getting worse. And that's entirely due to eu design

>>52999343

But the ECSC was founded only a year after NATO...

And countries such as France wern't even NATO participants for a chunk of its history...

And NATO was an alliance specifically against the Soviet Union, in the event of a conflict between members, NATO is irrelevant. Look at the falklands war, for example, if NATO was such a guarantor of peace, all of its members should have responded to the Argentinian attack on British territory, right?

And the glaring example of the Cyprus war, where two NATO member states went to war, you'll just conveniently ignore?

NATO stopped the Soviet Union and prevented war against the Soviet Union. The European Union brought peace to Europe.

>>52999157
Look at this guy, thinking we'recommend bound from prosperity. Welcome to Pissland. You'll be dead within a decade, but at least you'll wrapped in an non-EU regulation compliant flag.

>>52999394
Are you trying to imply if turkey was in the eu. The Cyprus war would not have happened?

>>52999365
Do the radical genestealer cultist annoying Guilliman.

>>52998981
>xploiting the rest of the globe to obtain advantages over each other, like we had done since the ancient Greeks.

And now the rest of the world is exploiting the EU. Great.

>>52999390
Yes, thats how free trade unions and the Pareto Distribution works on an international scale.

>>52999411
Have a pic for the genestealer cultists ?

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Hopefully this means the rest of the world starts paying Australian prices for GW products. 70 dollarydoos for a Knight Venator, fuck me blind.

>>52999401
>bound from prosperity

*bound for

And i never said that, i think europe has some shit ahead of it and a lot if will be exacerbated by the EU and its empire mentality

>>52999370
HAHA!
No!

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>>52999370
>reasonable prices for anything in Australia

>>52999420
Proof enough the eu is a bad idea then

>>52999407

Well, yes, with free movement between Turkey, Greece and Cyprus, no border checks, little effective disruption to the life of everyday citizens, no concerns for the welfare of the Turkish minority under Cypriot law, theres a good chance that Turkey wouldnt have resorted to force.

Of course, its all 'what ifs', but the chances of Turkey invading Cyprus would have been significantly lower if Turkey, Greece and Cyprus were all EU members at the time.

>>52999010
You can probably find one or two saying the "far right is rising, panic", you can't find anything to say they as a demographic are particularly concerned about this and if you conflate "far right" and "anti-EU" as you seem to be, then they are signficantly more likely to be for the "far right" than the average population.

>>52999411
That's a point, in his crusade against the mutants and heretics he doesn't really seem to warrant enough focus on the hivefleets almost literally knocking on his door in Ultramar.

>>52999456
We'll. Confirmed German cucked then.

The Cyprus war was due to territory disputes by turkey. Not the threats of ethnic turks

>>52999407
Accession to the EU has a lot of political and economic requirements. Turkey was not and still is not ready for the EU, so that thought exercise isn't very meaningful. If Turkey ever did get in the EU, they'd be a whole different nation that would probably have a functional democracy and favor diplomacy over military action like every other country in the EU. Greece, for example, is not a military junta anymore like it was in the days of the Cypriote coup.

>>52999505
Tell that to the Germans then

>>52999505
So turkey would has still gotten North Cyprus because the eu would sucked Thier Muslim dick to fuck over greece

>>52998547
they're just being spineless serpents now
as they've always been

>>52998919
>it's at most a bunch of politicians that want countried to get along and economies to flourish
If they want to get a long, then they should keep their sticky fingers to themselves, and stop trying to enforce an EU police state, and acting like passive aggressive fuckers the moment someone disagrees.

>>52998981
No it fucking wasn't.

It was very explicitly a trade union. Nothing more, nothing less.

Go back to 3rd grade, holy shit. I knew this shit back then, and my country (denmark) wasn't even part of the EU back then, God damn.

How it EVOLVED is the whole fucking problem, because half of the countries involved never fucking wanted that, and that is why we are beginning to see people leaving it. That's why it startes picking up countries like Greece, which for exactly 0 of the requires criterias, presumably to get some additional votes to help enforce its power on the smaller countries involved in the deal.

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>>52999536
>snake people

Sounds like someone needs to do something about this Slaanesh problem irl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtujxT9rzA

>>52999107
Right, let's look at history to see how well unifying Europe has been.

Oh wait.

>>52999561
> That's why it startes picking up countries like Greece, which for exactly 0 of the requires criterias, presumably to get some additional votes to help enforce its power on the smaller countries involved in the deal.
greece got in because they blatantly lied about their economic situation i think
or was that how they got their greasy hands on the euro ?
but yes you are spot on , i mean when it started it was literally called the European economic community

test

>>52999538
But the thing is, the countries agreed to translate this or that regulation that the EU wants to enforce. Too many governments have turned the EU ito their scapegoat, claiming every success for themselves and putting every failure on the EU.
They have agreed to respect some fundamental values, yet act all high and mighty when the EU calls them out on their actions when they start opressing the opposition. See Hungary. The country is taking Turkey's path to totalitarism, and people bkame the EU when it tries to call Orban out on it.

Simply put, treaties were sign, thise treaties entails respecting some regulations. Respect them.

>>52999589
>greece got in because they blatantly lied about their economic situation i think
Literally everyone in economics knew this.

I worked in a local bank in an irrelevant EU country, and a quick glance in the general direction of Greece, in the other end of Europe, when they talked about adopting them, was immediately followed by laughter, because there was no fucking way they would be taken in with their disastrous economy.

We were bewildered whem they joined, ams watched in disbelief as we had to support the collapse of their economy.

Whoever was in charge of evaluation them, apparently jacked off instead of working. Because this was clear as fucking day, even from the second they even CONSIDERED bringing them in.

>>52999434

Yeah so London and the Empire mentality of the Tory cunts in command there have decided to exacerbate things early for the UK.

>>52999606
>claims anyone is totalitarian
>defends the eu

>>52999624
>cut your losses and start recovering

or

>wait until the big bang finally happens

Which would you rather want?

>>52999606
>Simply put, treaties were sign, thise treaties entails respecting some regulations. Respect them.
Wrong.

Treaties were signed, and then slowly changed over time, with subtle threats if you didn't sign the new ones.

Denmark has been called out for not participating in the european police partnership, and when we had to decide, they outright said "we will still have to overstep your borders if we feel it is necesarry, and that you might be hiding something of importance from us", so instead, we should give them the ability to freely control our entire police and military force. Yes, that sounds totally reasonable, and not at all malicious.

This is about as unsubtle as you get, and it was killed because of how utterly ridiculous it was.

>>52999654
Why would you not want to cooperate with the police of other member states though?

>>52999428
$190 dollarydoos for 10 custodes, I weep for the future of my country

>>52999694
Police forces do that anyway. If I remember correctly, the treaty put the data exchange between forces under the control of an EU body, which denmark wasn't keen on.

>>52999528
Just like Spain didn't get the piece of clay they've wanted for hundreds of years, known also as Gibraltar, but instead a mutually beneficial agreement between the UK and Spain allows for the flow of goods and workers to easily cross the border every day, Turkey probably wouldn't have "gotten" North Cyprus, as in annexed it. If all Cypriots had the rights of free movement they have today due to the EU, and if Greece wasn't an authoritarian junta that organized a coup along ethnic lines in an attempt to annex the island, there'd hardly be any need to fight a war, would there?

NATO didn't stop that war because its only accession requirements were an anti-communist regime. It didn't actively try to encourage diplomatic solutions to disputes, it's solely a military bloc formed against the Soviet Union. It did nothing to end Greece and Turkey's long history of violence and ethnic disputes (see also the 1923 population exchange). The EU, on the other hand, made sworn enemies, like the French and the Germans, not want to murder each other. This was unimaginable in as late as the 1940's.

>>52999589
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Financial_Audit,_2004

It was as the EU's own statistics agency saying "these figures Greece gave us are wrong" twice before going "well if we look at the figures with a methodology we used to use but have since rejected, we can get them to be under the level we want them to be". Greece wasn't exactly honest about their finances but there is literally zero chance that the governining bodies of the EU were hoodwinked rather than complicit in the deception.

>>52999717
Uh, that explains it.

>>52999721
>he thinks the eu was what kept Gibraltar from Spain.

>>52999723
I do wonder why they did it though. Why the sudden expansion? It's not like Greece was near Russia and in the danger of falling under communist rule once again and whatnot.

>>52999742
It sure as hell isn't the british army (do they even have one ?).

>>52998463
> price hike for britbongs
And no tears were shed

>>52999742
No, what I said that Gibraltar wasn't given to Spain as soon as they joined because EU bureaucrats sucked Hispanic dick to fuck over the UK, like the anon I replied to implied.

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>>52997996
Euros BTFO

>>52999761
A good chunk of their defense budgent goes into the Trident program, but yeah they do. It's actually one of the few EU countries that is within the guidelines of EU spending on defense, along with Greece (in ordet to avoid another attack by Turkey) and a few other countries, mostly eastern Europe.

>>52998707
>But no worries, when German industry tells its politicians to shut the fuck up you'll see a change in their tone.
you mean the German industry that said they are fully behind the decision of the EU?
It is funny how delusional you guys are
https://www.ft.com/content/8eef080a-d72d-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e

>>52999761
Are you saying the Spanish do?

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>>52999770
>just look at other multicultural countries and their glorious military history
>like Austria Hungary

Makes me kek everytime i see this

>>52999776
So they're willing to accept double tariff fuckups in the name of socialism. Lol

>>52998799
> I don't understand basic market theory: the post
Bro if you don't know what your talking about, shut up. And let's not pretend like the UK is some great supply exporter. That's a fucking joke

>>52998053
That's a load of shit, they're a British company for fucks sake

>>52999793
They are for specialist machine parts

>>52999792
More likely they will buy their stuff from EU companies and not from brit ones.

It's not like the UK is known for its irreplaceable products.

>>52999773
1) The EU does not require a minimum level of defense spending. You might be thinking of the NATO.
2) NATO's agreed upon level of spending, 2% of GDP, will begin in 2024 according to the agreement, so the guideline will be relevant in seven years.

>>52999773
It's one of the few in Nato that covers Nato's 2% threshold, does the EU even have defence spending guidlines?

>>52999706
They're fucking toy soldiers mate calm down

>>52999808
>>52999812
Ooooh yeah, my bad! NATO guidelines not EU.

EU doesn't have anything on defense, it's actually something they tried to establish but the UK stopped it ever time.
Nowadays a common defense budget is supported by pro-EU parties, especially in the EU parliament, like the ALDE group. Maybe the Brexit will allow this to happen. Common EU defense budget and policies would help cooperation between countried and give it more xeight on an international scale I reckon.

>>52999812
>does the EU even have defence spending guidlines?
It doesn't the EU is pushing for a unified EU army which would be better than every nation having their own army.

>>52999107

I voted leave. I'm a history graduate that specialised in European warfare. I'm firmly of the opinion that the EU doesn't prevent any wars, the threat of mutually assured destruction from nuclear warheads does.

"Well we've had no wars since the formation of the EU!"

Yes. The same point that every major european nation had the capability to wipe someone else off the map.

Also: Doesn't help smaller wars. Didn't stop the Serbs bombing fuck out of each other in the 90s. Didn't see the EU there waving their massive magic peace cocks around.

>>52999717
Not just that, they demanded the right to actively take control of our police forces, completely skipping any kind of governing instance.

They could theoretically just assume control of the police force, and completely remove the Danish government.

The very idea that such a thing was even a remote possibility was enough to shut it down. Because that is fucking stupid.

The EU tries to overreach far too much, like a retarded kid who keeps doing stupid shit, to see how much he can get away with.

>>52999846
>It doesn't the EU is pushing for a unified EU army which would be better than every nation having their own army.
>he hasn't read Machiavelli

That is absolutely horrible if you like things like self determination and freedom and the like. Rome used to have an international legion occupy places they had not emotional connections to so they could put down the slightest dissent with ease.

Daily reminder that were it not for the US' addiction to military spending in NATO the Eu would be broke and have disbanded by now.

>>52999807
Britain is Germany biggest importer of goods as well as Thier biggest contributor to their engineering needs.

This will hit Germany hard. Who else is going to buy Thier shit? Poland?

>>52999792
>So they're willing to accept double tariff fuckups
You really are oblivious.
Name me one thing that the British produce that cannot be produced in any other EU member state? All those companies that reside in Britain at the moment that rely on EU trade will move to another EU country.

>>52999761
Britain is either the first or second military power in Europe, the other being France (they're both fairly evenly matched and swap around every other year regardless of who's ranking you use).

>>52999883
Space Marines.

>>52999883
Complex machine parts for cars

>>52999882
>Thier biggest contributor to their engineering needs.
The things that are produced in Britain can be produced anywhere else most likely the companies in Britain will move to another EU country. So have fun with the tariffs on German goods.

>>52999883
Canoes, swan fritters

>>52999866
When was that?
And there is a big difference between what is proposed and what is passed. I mean, there are plenty of dumb law that gets proposed even in national governments every year, before getting refused categorically.

>>52999901
Oh? If that is the case. Why have they not moved already?

Oh that's why. Most of the firms that produce are English joint companies and the engineers won't relocate

>>52999893
Good lord. ANYTHING BUT THE SPACE MARINES.

Seriously though, the UK's biggest strength is the City, not its manufacturing sector.
Wether or not the UK will take a hit depends on wether the banks, companies and the likes stay in London or not.

>>52999920
And they're not moving.

>>52999895
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-germany-autos-idUKKBN12H0NW
"As long as it's unclear whether Britain will have unhindered access to the European single market after a 'hard Brexit', we have to reckon that investors will hold back in the UK," Matthias Wissmann said in an emailed statement.

"It could be that production sites in the new EU countries would then be more attractive," he said, adding that a "hard Brexit" could create uncertainty for between five and seven years.

However, Wissmann, a former transport minister and powerful lobbyist, emphasised that the VDA's priority was to keep the EU's 27 remaining members together.

"The UK is an important market for the German car industry, but the cohesion of the EU27 and with it the single market is more important for this industry," he said.

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>>52999816
Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>52999930
For now, which is normal, no one knows what's going to happen.
People from both sides of the argument using any tiny news to celebratr their views or attack the other is plain silly.
We won't see the consequences of Brexit before at least 10 years, if not more. Justlike the austerity German reforms didn'tbring prosperity and money immediately. We just have to wait it out to seehow they do.

>>52999947
>could be
>if only to tow the eu meme

Sure. Show me how they'll recruit tons of new engineers in bumfuckistan and how they'd compete with an already experienced country of engineers

>>52999930
they are
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-21/what-the-biggest-banks-are-planning-as-may-sets-brexit-timing
>>52999916
>Oh? If that is the case. Why have they not moved already?
Because you still haven't left the EU.

>>52997996
>Play tomb kings
>Have a complete army
>Havent needed to add units in years because the army became competitive in AoS

How can skinbags even compete?

>>52999977
Literally the Lloyd's conference proves bloom burg wrong

>>52999765
No, lad, just most of eastern europe.

>>53000005
which conference?

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>>52997996
>Bongs screwing over Slavshits
ABSOLUTELY
BEADY

>>52999895
The french will jump on the market and you know it. Tariffs on your shit make their industru competitive again.

>>53000000
Nice digits

>>52998664
The problem is not being tough business partners, but people like Juncker gloating how they deny trade pacts that are mutually beneficial to both parties, just because "you either get the whole package or you don't".
That's childish behaviour you'd expect from children in a sandbox, not in politics.
Even if you are so petty as wanting them to regret leaving you, that is not the way to do it.

>>52999010
German here, the far right isn't rising, but what once used to be liberals in the 90's and 00's are now just declared right wing to far right.
It's weird to see how many SPD people are in the AFD

>>53000147
>Even if you are so petty as wanting them to regret leaving you, that is not the way to do it.
then what is a way to do it?

>>53000185
Yes for the children of Merkel.
Tell your daugthers boyfriend (Mohammed) and you wifes boyfriend (Muhammed) I said hi.

>>52999882
>Britain is Germany biggest importer of goods
?
2016:
1. USA
2. France
3. Netherlands

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>>53000201

>>53000204
>Nosauce

>>53000185
Doesn't that mean they are rising? Like, by definition?

>>53000219
>Nosauce
http://www.heute.de/wirtschaft-deutschlands-importe-und-exporte-haben-2016-ein-neues-rekordhoch-erreicht-46509758.html

and yours?

>>53000219
No, it means the definition is shifting away from what it means in reality.
I never considered equality of the sexes a far right idea, but i guess that's how it is in current year now.

>>53000219
>>Nosauce
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/158445/umfrage/rangfolge-der-wichtigsten-handelspartner-deutschlands-nach-wert-der-importe/
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2876/umfrage/rangfolge-der-wichtigsten-handelspartner-deutschlands-nach-wert-der-exporte/

>>53000147
But it wouldn't be beneficial for Europe. That's the thing. Behind the doors, every country sees great opportunity in Brexit, possibility to get their hands on that sweet sweet City money.

It's also easy to understand why one is unlikely to try and give a good situation to the brits when they have been an absolute pain in the ass to deal with and wouldn't have had all those benefits without many drawbacks if not for their economic power. Why would you bend backwards for someone who's been nothing short of a cunt for 30 years when suddenly he decides to fuck off and realise that he might not get all the advantages he used to have?
Welcome to politics, everyone tries to fuck over everyone else. Even in the EU, countries might not be at war physically, but they still try to be more competitive than the others.

>>52999920
Absolutely. This whole thing about financial services moving to Frankfurt is BS.

There's too much invested in the London market over the last several centuries to haul everything up and relocate.

>>53000282
>This whole thing about financial services moving to Frankfurt is BS.
Why would the Banks stay in London when Britain leaves?
There is no reason to stay. Also why are all the Banks searching for new locations in Dublin and Frankfurt if they decide to stay?

>>53000282
>There's too much invested in the London market
The banks aren't in London because of the London market they are in London because of the market of the European Union. If London is not in the European Union anymore they will also leave London.

>>53000282
Oh you never know.
It's litteraly a matter of moving a select few people where the legislation is the most advantageous. Banks and the likes will have no qualms whatsoever to do so. What's a building when you can move to another country and get more profits?

However, as I said, we won't see the actual consequences on the economy any time soon. By the time it is actually discernable, the EU might be very different. More integrated, or on the contrary destroyed, with different tiers of integration, fuck knows.

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>>53000000
SKELETON SUPERIORITY CONFIRMED

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>>53000248
I'm not him, I just wanted your sources

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Now! After this nice little shitstorm, how about we start another?

What are your thoughts on the New Marines we're getting? Do you think they'll do just one kit of tacticals, or a whole range of tacs, Ass, Devs and Termies that are massive as fuck?

>>53000369
Perfidious

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>>53000000
this is now a Tomb Kings thread

>>53000405
Death new battletome when?
The new skeletons for the Spiredawn game look pretty good at least.

>>53000321
Nigga what? They're in London because Investment banking is done around investment and London has always been the capital trading city of Europe.

>>53000321
Until they move the London Stock Exchange to Frankfurt ( which is unlikely compared to moving to Geneva ) London will still remain the dominant Financial City in Europe, Russia and Africa.

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>>53000000
>>53000000
>>53000000

>>53000447
>Financial hub moving to Geneva
Yes please. I really want an excuse to find a job in Switzerland. I really love the country.

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>>53000000
>>52999999

>>53000425
>the capital trading city of Europe.
Yes that is what I said if Britain is not part of the EU anymore there is no reason for the Banks to stay.

>>53000468
So how do you explain London being the capital of trade BEFORE the EU?

>>53000447
>which is unlikely compared to moving to Geneva
Why would it move to Geneva? Switzerland is not in the EU.

>>53000485
Because the London Stock Exchange is a company, and EU laws would make it illegal for the London Stock Exchange to merge with it's German counterpart.

This was fairly modern news because the London Stock Exchange has already tried merging to create a "European stock exchange"

At the very most, you would see a branch of the London Stock Exchange open in Germany. So German finances would STILL be dominated by London.

>>53000458
Well, all the posturing by German Media and Business is exactly here to prevent that; Switzerland has been a bane on the German economy for centuries; they'd loathe to see their next Economic rival gain the advantages.

>>53000326
Investment banking goes where the money is, but usually in very select areas, hence why we have cities like New York, Hong Kong and London.

Financial Banking however is a fucking nightmare to uproot, for example the Lloyds banking group ( or former ) would take billions to move all it's vital functions from Britain to Frankfurt, for relatively little advantage.

>>53000473
>So how do you explain London being the capital of trade
Because it is an easily to reach port located on an island and the UK used to be a big Empire. Which it isn't anymore.

>>53000565
So what makes Frankfurt more suited for the next economic capital of Europe over say Brussels or Amsterdam?

If your answer is "because it's German" then you'll see why all the posturing is exactly that, Posturing.

Frankfurt isn't even considered a world city for finances.

>>53000565
It also has the world's third largest stock exchange as a privately run British Company.

Why would they ever move out of a city they literally moulded by themselves.

>>52999052
>European citizen.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>52999055
First off, Scotland isn't leaving the UK. The SNP are dropping in opopulairty and opinion on Scottish independence are pretty much as they were back in 2014. Remember a million Scots also voted to leave the EU.

>>52999085
We were promised a referendum on the EU Constitution, like several other EU countries had (they voted No to it), so they changed the Constitution to the Lisbon and Maastricht Treaties instead.

>>52999906
The "no" vote literally just took effect.

But here's the thing; if you go up to a sales guy, and immediately asks them to sell you their wares at a 80% discount, you get laughed out of the building, and you now have 0 chance of negotiating anything.

This is the same shit. If you come as a foreign entity, and expect to throw a completely preposterous proposal at someone, you won't get any kind of counter proposal, other than "go fuck yourself".

You can claim it was a first draft all you want, but the first draft assumed the recipient was completely fucking retarded. That's a terrible way to start off any negotiations. Hell, this is one of the main things that sparked the "maybe we should just follow the Brits." , Because holy shit, these EU guys are actually stupid as fuck.

>>52999183
>Economic recovery.

The economies of Southern Europe have seen no growth since they joined the Euro. Unemployment is rampant and youth unemployment is over 50%. Their industries stagnate and are uncompetetive and they can't control their currency, so they continue to suffer.

The EU's drive for integration at all costs without properly laying the foundations for a peaceful, democratic decision to unify into a single state has led to massive economic problems and a great rise in political radicalism.

>>52999624
>MUH TORIES.

They're basically New Labour, I don't know what you're complaining about.

>>52999744
Because it coincided with a drive for further integration, expansion and move towards the creation of a European state.

Ignore all economic and political realities and look at it in this context.

>>53000458
fuck off we are full

>>53000773
I think the problem the EU tries to cover up is how the EU has actually ruined many economies.

Places like Italy, Spain and Portugal are teetering on the edge of economic implosion. It doesn't help that Italy's stock exchange is owned directly by the London Stock exchange.

>>52999977
They're not moving, they're establishing offices in preparation to ease trading.Why is it a surprise? This is like someone pointing to a company opening an office in New York or Singapore and screaming THE WHOLE OPERATION IS GOING TO RELOCATE THERE.

>>53000821
Fuck you I'm rich.

>>53000846
As a person who actually works in Financial Banking.

This is all a hilarious scam and Brexit is set to make people Billions behind all the noses of morons.

>>53000094
Except the French industry is not nearly as adaptive or competitive to quickly replace it. In addition, if there are tariffs placed on British goods, there will be tariffs placed on German cars. Britain isn't the largest market, but it is a major market, accounting for roughly 10% of the German auto industry. That loss will cause a contraction.

>>53000864
And what else is new?

>>53000870
The guy blatantly does not understand how intertwined the British and German Automotive industries are.

Many British motor companies are owned or partly owned by German ones. Huge tariffs on British goods mean parts designed by the British Engineers within these companies get hit, and I think it's upwards to 60-70% of German cars contain British parts.

So the cost of manufacture of German produce goes up, because the EU wants to feel angry at Britain.

>>53000829
I don't think it's the EU directly. But rather a consequence the global economy. The economic cris of 2008 has hit the EU pretry fucking hard, and the fact that the ECB doesn't act on its own but rather always a step behind the US federal bank make it so that we're always a step behind. In turn, countries like Italy see theit own debt go into panic mode and many companies get hit hard in turn because of how connected the economy is.

>>53000864
The question is, for who? Th5r brits or the EU? That's the great question.

>>53000000
Skinbags confirmed for lesser, all hail the tombkings and their digits!

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>>53000864
>As a person who actually works in Financial Banking.

As a person within the top9 9th percentile of wealth for the western world i can assure you that Brexit is also a complete scam.

Topkek these fucking normies, now if you excuse me i have some anime to master bait to.

>>53000932
Mostly? The Brits 100%. The London Stock Exchange is not moving. Euronext isn't going to lose it's London component.

London Stock Exchange owns Milan Stock Exchange.

Euronext is Lisbon, Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels

Next biggest in Europe is Deutsche Beorse.

Now, fun fact. Deutsche Beorse was set to be merged Into the London Stock Exchange But the EU didn't want a Monopoly in the hands of Britain.

In short, the London Stock Exchange is held at bay entirely by the EU regulators.

The EU might not be able to regulate the London Stock Exchange when it leaves the EU.

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>>53000998
TLDR

The eternal anglo is back and beadier than ever

>>53001012
Pretty much. Almost every single business in Europe has money flow through the LCE eventually.

The Germans wanted the LCE to try and pull from London to Frankfurt, yet you can hardly argue as the smaller party.

The "Hard on the UK" stance Germany has is probably entirely because they thought they could push around the LCE during the merger.

>>52997996
Get fucked Euroshits, now you understand how we feel.

>>53000998
For a moment I thought you were saying a private monopoly would be a good thing and that the EU antitrust regulators were the bad guys.

>>53001108
>Wants to be a single nation state
>Promotes an economic policy to encourage this
>Doesn't allow unified stock markets or financial control because it's taking place outside of Frankfurt where they decided it would be.

>>53001108
Well it depends really, Euronext could easily step up if they started in the German market, but the LSE is so big and half the reason why London is a big business hub anyway.

Monopoly's are always bad because they lead to stagnation, but the EU cracking down on the UK because Germany went sour on a deal that the EU itself broke up is contradictory.

>>53000219
>Doesn't that mean they are rising? Like, by definition?

By a certain fucked up logic. Like
>The people I don't like are rising
>The people I don't like are nazis
>Not actual nazis, I just call them that and I'll call anyone who disagrees with my application of a false label HITLER
>Thus, the Far Right is rising

>>53000850
You are more than welcome then, buddy!

>>53001251
Not that anon, but you can't deny the rise of the far right.
I'm taking the French election as an example. The FN has tried for years to lose the bazi image is had, and seems to have partly won in that regard, considering it is in the 2nd turn of the presidential elections.
However, as much as they want to give that image of a nice party, they are still undeniably far right. Their partisans, the hard core of their voters are still skinheads, neo-nazis, hardcore christian voters and generally racists.
I can't pronounce myself on other countries, but there is definitely a rise of a far right party here that, lo and behold, has a majority of voters in the poor and uneducated people.

>>53001299
Knew we could come to an agreement.

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>>52997996
What is the story regarding overseas trade embargo? When can we buy from the UK again here in Aus?

>>53001304
This is largely because there's no alternative. If there was a classical liberal party that was eurosceptic, i'd vote for them, but there isn't, so it's Le Pen or more of the same.

>>53001346
There is DLR, but they had to whore themselves out to the FN.

>>53001304
I am far from being a far right voter, but this is because the left betrayed itself. Is the same story for Trump in the USA; a big number of people was left betrayed by globalisation. I am educated, I have a PhD and I can work in the whole West and beyond, so in a way I take advantage of the situation, but is not the same for everybody.
Many were left in the dust and even if is true that they should be mad at the elites, is not completely false that immigration has a role, because is used, not always legally, to lower wages to the point that the aboriginal working class is being displaced.
And when the left does not step in to fix that, the masses swing to right populism. History teaches us that.

>>53001346
Different doesn't mean better. Especially when it means trying an economic program that is called out as one of the worst of the campaign and on which Marine Le Pen is already backing out. It's like the 350 millions of pounds every week to the NHS for Brexit.

>>53001251
Well if the votes for those far-right parties are increasing, then surely it doesn't matter if all the voters or supporters are ((liberal)) or whatever, they're still supporting those parties.

>>53001453
The whole idea of that thing was to show that we could take the money being paid towards the EU, of which we only got partially back from us (unlike the overwhemling majority of EU states) and spend it ourselves. Except that campaign managers don't think people could understand that and instead went for the simple emotive argument of MORE MONEY FOR NHS which is what 95% of politics in this country comes down to, it seems.

Personally I think the NHS is a huge blight on Britain politically. It's a sacred cow that people refuse to consider reforming and that every politician latches on resulting in shit like that bus.

>>53001473
>I'm not racist BUT...

>>53001473
But these parties are only gaining support because the EU keeps fucking up and no one wants to challenge it.

>>53001453
>Different doesn't mean better
Doesn't matter to a lot of people. If you don't have a job anyway, or your neighbourhood is filling up with immigrants, its very easy to take a 'the only way is up' attitude and push for anyone who promises to change things

>>53001500
But I don't understand how that comes from the original point of 'these parties aren't REALLY growing, theyre just growing because of more people voting for them'

A vote is a vote.

>>53001494
But then we go back to that age old debate of how the UK gets money thanks to the EU, not directly (although it still does) but through th economic benefits of being in the EU.

I don't want to express myself on the NHS as i know top little about it but I know that I wish the state would stop reimbursing every single visit to the doc here in France for example.
Like fucking hell, with old people going thete as soon as they THINK they have something, it quickly racks up tremendously.
My grandma (who's admittedly pretty hyponcondriac on top of having some health issues) goes to 3 different doctors every fucking week. It's all rembursed by the Health service, sogood on her, but one can only imagine how much she costs in the end. And honestly, her visits are pretty much pointless. Add to that all the meds, the machines and whatnt that are reimbursed, and she probably cost 500-1000 euros a month to the state on reimbursements.

>>53001517
Funny thing is that, the olace where the far right got the biggest amount of votes was in the countryside, where there's fuckall immigrants.

Hell, it was hilarious and sad at the same time when I discovered a friend and her bf voted far right because, according to them, they had enough of people profiting from the system when he doesn't even have his A levels, works at mcdonald and she's about to be mother at 20 without a diploma or a job.

>>53001575
It's because they are baby-boomers.

We have the highest pensions in the world and a health system entirely designed to cater for them, it cost us over one third of our GDP every year but it's still not enough for them.

>>53001575
The economic benefits of being in the EU include the EU paying companies to move manufacture outside of the UK and the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/ce74eb53-244b-37af-bf19-754ab937f7a2

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10026411.Focus_on_Ford__The___80m_EU_loan_for_Ford_s_Turkish_Transit_plant/

https://rtuc.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/fords-80m-eu-loan-boosts-turkey-factory-and-southampton-closes/

>>52997996
>GW
>we're going to see a price jump
regardless to further context, the answer is yes

This whole thread can move to >>/pol/

I'm so sick of politics in /tg/

MODS delet this thread at once

>>53001640
Something I've always wondered is the proportion between manufacturing jobs and more commercial/banking/business kind of jobs for developped countries. Which of those 2 categories give the most money back to the state basically?
For example, in Germany, I would argue without a doubt that it is manufacturing jobs, but Germany is kind of an exception in the EU.

In the UK, I would argue that banking and its related trades make the most money and gives back to the state BY FAR.

Hence, in that situation, taking into account the fact that the population of developped countries are getting more and more educated and that robotisation is the cause of the destruction of many of tjose jobs, aren't manufacturing jobs bound to slowly be phased out of developped countries?

My point here is, is it not the logical outcome that non-educated, manufacturing jobs disappear from our countries whereas qualified jobs grow?

I might be wrong though! I'm definitely open to a more informed point of view, I'm just throwing ideas here.

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>>53001304
>FN
>far right

Goddamn has the overton window really shifted to the point where someone who only wants to reduce the immigration quota by 50,000 per year become the next Hitler?

>>53001494
The benefits of the single market outweigh the rich countries' contributions to the EU budget. For example, the UK's membership fee was about £13B in 2016 (after an instant £4B rebate from a total of £17B), and another $4B went to farmers and some poorer regions. The efficient European market created and estimated £40B-£60B.
The cost of keeping the EU running pales in comparison to the economic benefits. I can understand if you disagree with the EU's increasing integration, or free movement, neoliberalism, pacifism or something like that, but "let's use the money we give to the EU for something else" is a horribly misguided reason to be anti-EU. At its current level, the EU generates money for the large countries. It's pretty much like the funding of NASA in the US: every tax dollar gives at least seven dollars back.

>>53001751
That is the most dishonest statement I've heard in that campaign even with Fillon as a candidate.

>>53001751
Mate, you can try to sugar coat it anyway you want, but a party that was made by former collabos, that tried to assassinate the President for far right reasons, advocates of colonisation, anti abortion, anti gay marriage and whose core is neo nazis and skin heads is definitely far right.

>>52999744
Greece was the cradle of democracy and had to be included to give the EU legitimacy.

>>53001765
>NASA
Say again? I'd like to know how. Because of potential scientific discoveries and progress in material construction?

>>53001816
R&D and sold patents. The patents they release for free are also beneficial for the economy, even if they they're not visible in the agency's budget.

>>53001790
The democrats in the US used to be run by the KKK. Parties change.

>whose core is skinheads
>anti abortion
>anti gay
???

Nigger Front National was founded in the 70's and has nothing to do with vichy anymore than the modern democrats have to do with the Democratic Party in the US. Harry Truman was a former KKK member but that doesn't mean the dems are KKK members now topkek

wew lad time to take your head out of the sand

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>>53001790
>Mate, you can try to sugar coat it anyway you want, but a party that was made by former collabos, that tried to assassinate the President for far right reasons, advocates of colonisation, anti abortion, anti gay marriage and whose core is neo nazis and skin heads is definitely far right.

And they say conservatives are tinfoil hat fags holy shit

I don't get why literally no politician even tries to reduce the EU back to its roots as a highly successful trade union with a few regulations instead of eather leaving or increasing its governing functions

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>>53001789
>That is the most dishonest statement I've heard in that campaign even with Fillon as a candidate.

Marine Le Pen is not that strict lmao

>>52999183
>after all but disappearing

From public dialog or people involved actually being in friendlier terms with one another?

>>53002013
Surely Leon Gaultier, Pierre Bousquet and Emmanuel Allot weren't members of the SS or collabos then? My bad then.

Surely the FN is not against gay marriage? My bad then.
http://www.leparisien.fr/elections/presidentielle/candidats-et-programmes/marion-marechal-le-pen-se-portera-garante-de-l-abrogation-du-mariage-pour-tous-30-04-2017-6904338.php

Surely the FN doesn't want to restrict the right to abortions at best and outlaw it at worst? My bad then.

>What is the GUD, JNR and the numerous skinheads groups that are present to any and all FN rassemblement, making nazis salutes
My bad then.

If it smells like Far Right, acts like the Far Right, has ideas of the Far Right and is populated by known figures of the Far Right, then it's the Far Right.

>>53001304
>However, as much as they want to give that image of a nice party, they are still undeniably far right. Their partisans, the hard core of their voters are still skinheads, neo-nazis, hardcore christian voters and generally racists.
Admittely, i don't know enough about french politics, but this could also come from confusing correlation and causation. Nevermind that you can't choose who likes you and you will certainly have people you disagree with in that group.
>o and behold, has a majority of voters in the poor and uneducated people.
This kind of make sit sounsd like you assume them to be automatically stupid, misguided or anything else that could be used to disregard their very real problems, of which they only search an outlet for.

>>53001473
"Far Right" is a meaningless dishonest term, because you aren't specifying what you're comparing it to.

In a choice between Far Left, Hard Left, Extra Left, Bonus Left, Left Left, Sorta Left, A Bit Left, and Only Mildly Left, the Only Mildly Left option is technically the "Far Right". That is the exact state of western Euro politics today.

>>53001404
>I am far from being a far right voter, but this is because the left betrayed itself.

>i'm not a nazi but i will speak, vote and beahve like one
Yeah no, if it looks like shit, smells like shit and feels like shit it is shit.

>>53002216
Nope, the FN is just about as leftist as the Extra left, plus the racism and general shittery.

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>>53002188
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan


This guy died a few years ago, he renounced hus former views and that was it, and he wasn't impressed into service by nazis you total sperg.

>nazis are present at FN
>therefore FN are nazis

Guess fascists are capitalis liberals now topkek, no. There were communists who voted for bernie but that doesn't make bernie anything else but a demsoc

>>>/blackbloc/

You are beyond a sperg

>>53002216
This

>>53002249
Not him, but that right there is why people swing to extreme parties
>I'm not against you guys, but you're doing some things wrong
>Then you're clearly THE ENEMY and we should ignore you for thinking those things

>>53002216
This, its a false dichotomy people use to justify their ad populum and a priori assumptions on the world

>>53002255
>posting the image used by a well known german nazi youtuber to dismantle the argument that someone is a nazi
Well nice try sperg

>>53001751
The FN is the only party I know of that manages to claim they are nationalist without even being patriotic.

It's a fucking miracle it didn't explode already.

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>>53002283
>well known german nazi youtuber

???

Literally who that is Samuel Johnson who has been a meme on this site for years and is a famous historical figure? Holy shit the tinfoil has melded with your skull at this point.

>>52997996
im in usa but this pisses me off lol

>>53002283
>Nazis breathe air
>I breathe air
>I must be a Nazi

FUCK

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>>53002283
Ok the bait just got too obvious me'laddo

>>53002255
You haven't refuted any of my points though. All you said is that some parties change, and that some people that were in the KKK ended up changing, which is not the case here.
Th FN was and still is a party that makes his votes on lies and offering false solutions while trying to destroy other people's right becausr it doesn't fit thei views.

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>>53002390
>which is not the case here
>everything is the same as the Vichy

Sauce on Marine Le Pen advocating for a French lebensraum while giving ye old roman salute in front of legions of right wing death squads?

its pretty obvious you're just some salty libtard puritanist who can't handle the concept that people don't like limitless immigration or being americanized. Yeah sure that slight restriction on immigration is totally the same thing as another holocaust.

>>53002390
>You haven't refuted any of my points though
And you haven't refuted any of his. All you've said is 'there are some bad people in this political party' as if that's any surprise to anyone

>>53002439
>libtard [...] being americanized
Looks like it's too late for you friendo

>>53002597
Nothing wrong with trying to stop others falling the way you did

Sounds pretty heroic to me

>>53002625
It's nice but I don't need any regressive party to avoid being americanized.

>>53002333
I think he''s talking about die vulgäre analyse, an anti islamic channel.

what is this picture from? chinese guy in africa doc where can i watch it?

>>53001108
As long as it's a British monopoly, it's alright.