/swg/ Star Wars General: Cute Boy Edition

>>52973693
>husbando
Pellaeon is my CO-fu, but that's not the same thing
Actual husbando is probably wedge though

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>>52973693
Solo or the DL-44 malt liquor spokesman

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>>52973693

>husbando
>not Luke
officially doing it wrong, curse my phone for lack of images of the Lukefu

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>>52973762
>>52973803
>>52973861
>>52973866
Great taste, but really it's hard to go wrong. There are so many good candidates.

Kylo is the best though.

>>52973875
>whiny bitch knockoff of Jacen
>shit nucanon
>despite being played by an ex-Marine gives the impression without the Force you could break him over your knee
>doesn't even have a compelling reason to be an angry manchild

Anon, please

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>>52973917
Welp, there goes the thread.

>>52973693
Gen. Antoc Merrick is my husbando.

While we're on the topic, what's your favorite weird noncanon ship for star wars?
Mine is pellaeon and daala

>>52973943
Obi-Wan and Padme

It was George Lucas' original plan, but he chickened out. Luke was never really Vader's son... but in fact Obi-Wan's.

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>>52973693
/swg/ bingo

Reminder to hide and ignore and don't reply to political posts, no matter what side they're on or who they come from.

Get along, be nice, and we can have a politics-free thread.

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>>52973968
>Obi-Wan x Padme
DEADBEAT DAD

>>52973917
You shut the FUCK up about my boyfriend you fucking slut

>>52973942
Based moustache ace

>>52973968
Definitely my favourite as well

Worlds is next week and I'm hype. My buddy and I have been doing so much playtesting this past week or so.

Post stuff about x-wing. Lists, meta, whatever.

>>52973968
>George Lucas' original plan
Bullshit

Lucas was too vanilla and beta for something like this.

>>52973917
Ben Skywalker and the Antilles sisters.

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>>52973978
Might have to switch "Muh Grey Jedi" for "Muh '''Grey''' Palpatine" at this rate.

In other news, fuck right off captcha that thing's not even the right taxonomic class

>>52974004
A local store is running a pretty casual tourney next month, I'm thinking of running a dual Firespray list

>>52973943
The legacy era crossfire star fighter.

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>>52973943
Jaina x Me

>>52973942
Gen. Merrick was pretty awesome. I greatly enjoyed him, Raddus, and Draven.

>>52973943
Jacen and Anja Gallandro.

>>52973943
My PC x NPC Corellian Pilot Waifu

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>>52973995
Good. Goood. Let the salt flow through you.

>>52973943
Ghent and qui xux

ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsdra1kB6ng

>>52973861
One Transparasteel Leg

>>52974188
He does what? I hate that.

>>52973943
X-wing/Z-95

>>52974045
Scum or Empire? Scum Boba and Kath can do wonderful things together.

My favorite Firespray pilot is Ketsu [\spoiler]

>>52974217
But Anon, that is canon.

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>>52974030

>>52974161
Back to /tv/, mister stokalztazsya

>>52974264
Scum of course, the Imperial pilots are ok but definitely suffer from being a very early wave design

I was going to do a Kath + tail gunner combo and then Boba with engine upgrade and maybe some ordinance.

>>52974161
You shouldn't have posted this even though they're right.

>>52974323
You could do Boba plus Rage with inspiring recruit ?

>>52974302
I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT!

PUNDA BUBU!

>>52974370
I don't have Inspiring Recruit, that's the only problem

>>52974373
REMEMBER ALDERAAN?

I DO!

LOOK, REBEL BASE!

>>52973861

Always and forever the best husbando.

>>52974401
Ahh, in that case, Rage on Scumba fett works fine with K4 security droid

>>52974401
Buy a U-wing. It's such a pretty ship.

>>52974373
>i hate rogue one because of the call-outs
>tfa is great because it's like the REAL star wars
well which one fucking is it mike

>>52974423

Even if I'd hated everything else about Rogue One, I'd ahve still loved the film for giving us the U-Wing.

That thing's beautiful.

>>52974455
If you listen to the Rogue One commentary track, he paints a much clearer picture of his opinion and I happened to agree with him

>>52974015
No, it really was his plan.

In 1983, Dale Pollock, George Lucas' biographer, published Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas. Within, he wrote, “A spectacular wedding for Annakin [sic] Skywalker is expected for Episode II, in which he is betrothed to the Queen (portrayed as a teenager by Portman). There will also be a torrid love triangle among the grown-up Queen (who will give birth to the twins, Luke and Leia), Annakin Skywalker, and Ben Kenobi. The consequences of this love triangle are one of the great betrayals layered throughout the three prequels that have enormous impact on all of the major characters in the story.”

Vader asked Luke if Obi-Wan had told him about his father FIRST before revealing any information. He was lying, in an attempt to sway Luke to the Dark Side.

Luke was the bastard child of infidelity between Padme and Obi-Wan, a betrayal that caused the fall of Anakin and the end of the Galactic Republic.

Anakin/Vader was still redeemed by the compassion Luke felt for him, even though Luke wasn't his biological son.

All would have been revealed in the sequel trilogy... but Lucas thought they'd never be made, so he pulled the plug on the idea and made the prequels without a major twist.

>>52974455
That's what gets me. Every reason they provided for not liking Rogue One is exactly what people didn't like about The Force Awakens, but they like Force Awakens.

I like them both though, so what do I know?

>>52974402
AT-STS
AT-STS
STAR DESTROYERS
I'M GONNA CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!

>>52974323
You gotta try he fearlessness cluster missiles on Boba.

>>52974507
They straight up tell Luke Vader is his Father in the movies, that is fucking dumb

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>>52973917
Well he was a marine lance corporal, so you know he's some kind of massive fuckup in the making already.
I actually liked the force awakens tantrums, they're pretty much how most darkside PC's end up

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>>52974576
>Marine lance corporal
First Order version of Terminal Lance when?

>>52973688
Yeah, i'm in PA, so shipping might make that suck. I play entirely empire with a minuscule amount of rebels solely so that I can run demo games. (Dash, 3 T-70's and a Falcon is all I own for rebels)

>>52974573
Yup, but it's all Jedi lies, because Luke was their only hope of killing the Emperor.

>>52974576
Turns out inanimate objects are the only things he can fight worth a damn

since I missed it last thread can someone chuck me a discord invite?

>>52973875
>>52973917
Kylo was honestly my favourite thing from TFA. He was an absolutely perfect example of what dark siders really would be like

>>52974613
Where in PA? I just moved to Philly fairly recently

>>52974768
State College.

>>52974604
It'd really work with stormtroopers, like scary well.

>>52974631
>Half trained, in a position of power, basically a terror to anyone of private rank and the bane of their CO's existence
>On a long enough timeline they will fuck something up
Yep, that's a corporal

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>>52973693
I'm debating buying an Imperial Raider for X-wing solely so that I can have 1 of everything, and because it looks sweet as hell.

There's already 2 people in my local area that bought one, so everyone around me already has copies of ATC and TIEx1. In addittion, I have a custom Palpatine already, so I don't really need the palp.

Would anyone want or need copies of TIEx1/ATC(which I would have 3 spare copies of) or Palpatine?

Or should I buy a raider with the valuable cards missing and get the TIE Advanced pilots from it separately?

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>>52973917

>>52974869
What would you be looking to sell the cards for?

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>>52974366
There is nothing right about Reddit Letter Media. You can fuck right off with your retarded and asinine opinion you TFA loving piece of shit.

>>52974868
Lance coolies aren't actually NCOs, that's the thing

>>52975034
>caring about what some youtube comedians think of a franchise

If it's bad why do you get so autistic over other people liking it?

Oh no someone isn't sharing my exact opinion on everything! and they're on the internet! The horror of it all

>>52975084
Wait, I thought the autists hated RLM because they shat all over their precious prequels.
I can never keep track of these autistic kids and their hatred of different opinions.

>>52975035
>Lance coolies aren't actually NCOs, that's the thing
And that's the problem

If they arent being the screws in the barracks they're generally terrorising each other. I had one get drunk and his mates managed to smuggle him onto a flight from Sydney to Perth with nothing but half his clothes, no money, no phone and a one way ticket

>>52974666

https://google, where is my macaroni?.gg/ejyYs

>>52973693
sup /swg/ I'm doing an Epic game soon, and I want some advice.

It's going to be a 300 point game and I don't know what to bring- Raider or Gozanti.

Has anyone played Epic enough to know what the pros and cons of these 2 ships are?

I have the following ships to work with, and upgrades to spare.

(all ships are empire, as I'll be playing them)

1 of every huge/large ship.
6 TIE Fighters
6 TIE/FOs
4 TIE Interceptors
3 TIE Defenders
2 of every other type of TIE.

I'm trying to decide between these 2 lists now, but both are open to tweaking-

-a set of 3 Juke Glaive Defenders, a Gozanti built for durability and ramming, 4 TIE/FOs with crack riding on the Gozanti, and a pair of bombers to fuck with big squads and alpha down shields.

- A Raider with 2 Quadlasers and an Ion Cannon Battery, a Tactician, and Operations specialist (So it stresses everything near it and hands out focus tokens) along with assorted durability gear, 6 TIE/FO's with Weapons Guidance and Crack Shot, and either an ace (Rexler or Soontir most likely) or a support ship like an upsilon.

>>52975024
Likely a bit less than they are going for on Ebay.


That's what, $20 for palp and $9 for the ATC/TIEx1 pair?

>>52975182
>Raider or Gozanti
Why not both?

>>52974063
My PC and whoever is closest when she gets drunk enough. (She's literally so repressed she's not really sure about her own sexual preference, though I've played her as mostly spilling her spaceghetti around one particular NPC female Sith)

>>52975344
Because that's ~200 points, and they would be ineffective.

Also, I want a single massive centerpiece to build my list around.

My buddy and I are looking to do an easy to make Star Wars theme duo costume thing for our local town Comic Con event. Who or what characters do you guys think we should dress up as that's easy to do or cheap to make?

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>>52976125
Trioculus and Moff Hissa.

>>52974494
And that picture is?
Because like hell I'm sitting through that shit.

>>52975182
The Gozer is probably better just on cost. Epics aren't terribly efficient so a Gozer means more points for other stuff.

My favorite Gozer is the one that lets his buddies launch and be PS8 loaded with bombers. Crack shot gamma vets, to be precise.

For the Raider, I'm partial to turbos x2 with quads as point defense. Just snipe away. Vader crew for maximum dickery.

>>52976125
Mike and Jay

>>52976125
Dengar and Embo

>>52976295
If I'm running a Gozanti, it's going to be running the Vector title- I didn't paint the Vector scheme onto it for nothing.

Since it effectively moves at PS14, and has RAC on board for re-positioning and smashing fools, it lets me dump 4 TIE/FOs into someone's ass.

For the Raider, I figured I could have it be loaded out as a combination of a support ship (tactician+Opspec and massed quadlasers, combined with focus-hungry ships) The one issue with Vader that I have with the raider is that my opponent chooses which half takes the 2 damage. Also, I really want to just get into people's faces with my Raider. It's also nice with everything being at PS 4 (with Stridan as the final ship)

I also wish the Decimator was better in Epic, but with swarms being so prevalent, and the lack of a Reinforce action, it's not going to live very long.

If I do run the gozanti list, how does this look?

Gozanti (Docking clamps, Broadcast Array, Vector, RAC, Shield Technician, Dual Laser Turret, Automated Protocols.)

4x Omega Squadron Pilot (Weapons Guidance, Crack shot)

2x Glaive Squadron Pilot (TIE/x7, Juke)

2x Gamma Squadron Veteran (Proton Torpedoes, Extra Munitions, Seismic Charges, Guidance Chips)

Colonel Vessery(TIE/x7, Juke)

1 point bid leftover.

Should I try to squeeze an Opspec into there somewhere? Replace RAC?

>>52976280
TLDR is that while TFA was derivative and had it's share of fan service (which was the weakest part of that movie) it did those things in service of a decent (albeit roughly copied) plot with the intent of introducing a younger audience to what Star Wars feels like and getting the ball rolling in a direction for this trilogy. (Personally, I feel like the success of failure of the trilogy as a whole is going to affect how TFA is remembered more than anything else)
Whereas Rogue One has a ton of fan service and bad writing/character development in service of very little in terms of plot and a larger continuity. Additionally, Rogue One has problems in introducing the setting, whereas TFA is a better standalone film in that it does a good job establishing the mythology even to someone who isn't familiar with any of the characters.
Basically, the RLM guys have said that they neither hate nor love either movie, but TFA is the more serviceable of the two.
/swg/ takes them way too seriously. Of course they embellish this shit for comedic effect in their videos, they're comedians not film critics.

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What kinds of starfighters do you think they would use in groups like Saw's Militia? Y-Wings and Z-95s or Kihraxz fighters and Z-95s?

>>52976517
>bad writing/character development
but that's wrong
nevermind the whole idea of 'this film explicitly advertised as a tie-in film isn't as """""""""accessible""""""""""" to any given chucklefuck' is bumblefuck retarded to begin with

>>52976676
No, the writing is pretty horrible, and even after all her cuts Jyn is still an irritating Sue.

>>52976477
Looks solid to me.

>>52976704
>Sue
You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.

>>52976787
>watch as an untrained small-framed girl beats up half a dozen elite trained armored men in a 6 - on - 1 fistfight

>>52974004
I just joined a local league after a friend gave me a bunch of ships. Don't think I'll do well in it, but I had a blast playing for first time so Im definitely going back.
Think Im running a Tie swarm
Omega Squad x 2 with Crack Shot
Howl runner with Crack Shot
Mauler Mithel with Crack Shot
Kir Kanos with Stealth Device

>>52976757
I'm never sure on the EPT/mod slots on the bombers though.

Currently I'm running Deadeye+Chips, but I could run Plasma+LRS+ept of choice (lock on and roll up and try to punish their big ship. .

What are your thoughts on LRS vs Chips in epic?

>>52974045
Inertial Dapeners on Firesprays are something you pretty much have to include. You have a high PS and a kinda shitty dial. The number of times it's came in handy for me are immeasurable.

Also, beware the Curse of the Firespray- it's the ship most likely to fly off of the board. (large base, no 1-hard, actually likes moving unlike the Lambda)

feel free to dampen to stop from flying off of the board.

>>52976676
The writing and characters were really bad. You have a problem when a fucking droid has the biggest character arc in the movie.
Being a tie-in is not an excuse for not introducing details about character and faction motivations because "You should have watched the other ones first". I think an opening crawl could have alleviated this a touch, but then you run into having a title crawl in a movie that literally is the title crawl for ANH.
I really hope they do a Jedha prequel to tell me about how that statue fell over. I need shit like that explained to me, otherwise I just can't take this children's series seriously enough.

>>52976807
>untrained
She was part of Saw's Militia for years.
>elite trained armored men
>Stormtroopers
>elite
KEK

>>52976820
that's cool shit- What did your friend end up giving you? If he gave you 4+ copies of Crack Shot, he's a good friend.

If you post your full collection, I can spitball some other list ideas that you might like.

>>52976910
To be fair, stormtroopers are elite as shit. Star Wars just never shows the Imperial Army.
The inclusion of Death Troopers (esspecially without an explanation of their role in the ST Corps) really undermined how elite the average Stormtrooper is supposed to be.

>>52976807
Admittedly she HAD been doing exactly that for about a decade with Saw

>>52974004
I want to see some super spicy squad tech at worlds, or failing that, someone like Dallas Parker to have some impressive TIE Swarm flying on a streamed game.

I either want Empire to win so that we can finally end our 4 year losing stream,
or you, so we can get more people from Jedi Prince

>>52976660
Saw's militia has X-Wings. They're briefly visible in two scenes of R1, and in supplemental materials.

>>52976660
Black and white X-wings.
Just google Partisan X-wing

>>52976933
No where in canon does it state that Stormtroopers are supposed to be "elite as shit" as you put it.

This point is just an opinion or headcanon

>>52976917
Nono, the crack shot is just proxy printed.
I got Core 1, Imp Vets, Boba Fett, Tie/Adv for him
Picked up Tie Fighter and Core2 myself.

I just got both core sets of x-wing for my birthday, what's the cheapest and easiest faction to create a semi competitive 100 point list for? Any advice for a rookie?

>>52976985
It's not like TFA states that Stormtrooper doctrine is to "put the Empire before their lives and each other".

They're the assault troops of the empire in nucanon, less elite than they used to be but still a lot better off than the Imperial Army.
Nucanon does reinforce a lot how much more brutal and aggressive the stormtroopers are than army regulars.

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>>52976933
The funny thing is that in canon or Legends or whatever people call it is that how Death Troopers are shown in RO is how Stormtroopers always are. They suck hard when they're up against heroes, but against fodder and red shirts and no-names, regular Stormtroopers are Death Troopers.

If Jyn beat up six Imperial Army troopers, I could almost be okay with it, but they didn't.

>>52976940
A single Stormtrooper would still likely beat her in hand to hand, but it'd be a fairly even match.

Six Stormtroopers, she'd be dead or subdued before she threw the first punch.

>>52976985
>>52976910

Look at this bait

Look at it and laugh.

>>52977049
And in Legends they are highly elite.

I have no idea why Disney got rid of that.

>>52976992
That's not a bad start. You said you wanted to do a Swarm?

There are 2 types of Swarm- miniswarm+ace, or Full Swarm

Full Swarm is usually 5-7 ships of all TIEs, miniswarms are 3-4 TIEs and 1 Ace ship.

Which of the two do you want to start out with?


>>52977012
Honestly, it's going to cost the same to make a good list starting with 2 cores for all factions except scum ($20-30 vs $60-70)

Which factions or playstyle appeal to you the most? I can help you make a buy-list.

>>52977108
Because now they can have MOAR brand recognition.
Everything that was remembered as badass in legends and the OT has to be commonplace as fuck now so they can merchandise it harder. You end up losing what makes those things cool in the first place though.

>>52977108

You never actually see them being elite, though.
That's why "Too accurate for sandpeople" is constantly made fun of, since after that point we never see Stormtroopers hit anything short of point blank shots at the side of a barn.

>>52976807

>watch as an untrained farm boy out-shoots dozens of imperial stormtroopers and then shoots out a small door-lock panel from across a hangar bay whilst pistol-gripping his blaster rifle

>>52977170
>outnumbered stormtroopers charge through a door single-file against entrenched prepared rebels and annihilate them with barely any losses
>snowtroopers destroy rebel infantry inside trenches in long-range combat with barely any losses
>stormtroopers on endor make one-handed sniper shots
>the only time they miss is when ordered by tarkin to let the gang escape

"Too accurate for sandpeople" is made fun of not because of Stormtroopers, but because of the general trope Ebert coined where bad guys that are supposed to be threatening can suddenly offer no resistance in the face of the heroes, something he hated and mocked, and something moviegoers and nerds still mock. However, in actuality, Stormtroopers are a lot less bad about in the OT than bad guys are in many other movies.

>>52977138
ATSTS ATSTS ATSTS ATSTS
XWIIIIIIINGS

>>52977186
>watch as a farmboy escapes from soldiers under orders not to shoot him or try to stop him while he makes one lucky shot on a large door panel that hitting anywhere could short out with a blaster carbine designed for easy usage in close quarters

>then watch as an untrained small framed girl beats up six elite armored men in a 6 - on - 1 fist fight

>>52976967
>>52976983
Son of a bitch, you're right. Thanks!

>>52977135
>Which factions or playstyle appeal to you the most?
I had no idea that there were different playstyles out there, could you give me a quick rundown of them?

I've been looking around online and it seems like the E-wing is a commonly used rebel ship so I was planning on getting that one anyway. But faction-wise, I think I'm leaning towards wanting to start of with either the Rebels or Emipire. What are some must-buy ships for both of them?

>>52977229

>watch as he takes a single shot across a hangar bay, when ordered to, to shoot out a door switch

>watch as a young woman trained in combat and guerilla warfare beats up a couple of stormtroopers who she took unawares with a melee weapon, and then shoots the rest with a blaster she took from them

I mean i get that you want to pick holes because you dont like female characters being competent at anything, but you really gotta do a better job than this anon.

>>52976193
I just noticed that they only seem to be eating huge, communal bowls of salad.

>>52977278
>eh heh heh criticizing a female character huh why are you a misogynist huh?

Nice.

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>>52977292
They splurge more on food when it's the holiday season.

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During Vader's time, how common was the knowledge that he was Anakin Skywalker?

A bunch of Imperial agents knew Luke's name and knew him to be a force user, so it seems like if they knew what had happened to Anakin it would somewhat distabilising

I really liked the end of Season 2 and even liked them exposing him like this but I felt he looked way too healthy. He needs to be scarred and ghost-white and messed up in there

>>52977208
>stormtroopers on Endor lose to animated teddy bears with sticks and rocks

I could agree with the rest, but Endor was a serious embarrassment. Especially since they were allegedly Palpatine's best troops.

>>52977319

>complains about Jyn being a mary sue becuase she can win a fight she's trained for against people in close quarters
>doesnt mention Chirrut literally just wandering through blaster fire becuase why not, and taking down a full squad of armed and *warned* stormtroopers with a wooden stick
>wont admit that Luke is ridiculously skilled in combat considering hes a fucking farmer

It definitely looks like you have an agenda here anon dearest.

>>52977349
I hated every character in Rogue One, it's just that Jyn is the main character.

Mary Sueism has no gender bias. Almost all of the main cast, from Jyn to Quipomatic, did idiotic, impossible, Sue levels of stuff throughout the movie, which is why it sucked.

>>52977343
Besides the initial ambush, they kicked ass.

>>52977338
At the least he should have been super pale since I doubt he gets a lot of tanning done

But yeah it was a pretty awesome season finale

>>52977338
I'm pretty sure that wasn't very common knowledge as even people who have no reason to stick to calling him Vader, still do so.

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>>52977049
Maybe not great training, but-
They are moto as fuck, which means they can take horrendous casualties and keep going. Or at least that's how I've put them into some kind of perspective

>>52977292
I'd be pretty angry and evil if someone turned up with rice and salad for a meeting.
>When Hissa ate all the whalodon meat before you get any

>>52977379
> complaining about Sue characters in a Star Wars movie
Rogue One is flawed because the characters are fucking boring and inconsistent.

And because the story drags all over the place.

It's nothing to do with the characters being 'too' special. The original movie has them breaking out of the fucking Death Star and then blowing up the fucking Death Star. But no one cares about that because it was internally consistent and the characters were great.

>>52977135
I honestly don't know. I built my list around what I currently have. Lots of ties appeals to me, but Im not going to buy more ships for a bit.


My other list idea is
Howl with crack and stealth device
Mauler with crack and stealth
Omega with Weapons Guidance and crack x2
Black Squadron with crack

To give mauler and howl a bit more survive and a bit more dependable damage on the omegas

>>52977338
Officially Anakin died at the end of the Clone Wars with the other Jedi. It's possible that Tarkin and Thrawn figure out his true identity, as they knew and worked with both Anakin and Vader, but besides that most people don't seem to have picked up on the link

>>52977252
it basically comes down to how you want to fly and how many ships you want to fly.

The E-wing is an interesting ship- It's commonly a ship that people say needs a 'fix' or a buff, and it does. The issue is that the top ace pilot for it, Corran Horn, is fucking amazing. If they buff the E-wing in any way that also buffs Corran, get ready to see him in every rebel list.

Anyways, the E-wing, assuming Corran, is a powerful small ship. From this point onwards, assume E-wing=corran horn. It's got incredible burst damage and the ability to limp away and heal from pretty much anything, come back, and murder someone else. It's also very expensive, running at 41-48 (usually 48) points, leaving only 52 points for the rest of the squad. It's an aggressive flanker that does hit and run attacks.

The K-wing is another rebel ship, but don't pay more than $20 for one- They are kinda hard to find and as a result, scalpers have sprung up. It's a powerful bomber ship, and the top ace pilot- Miranda Doni, is a serious powerhouse. It's a swiss army knife that can be built to deal with pretty much anything.

The falcon can be built either as a hard-hitting brawler or an incredibly durable evasive ship, depending on pilots and loadouts.

Really, for rebels, any ship works. They don't have duds on the level of the TIE Punisher.

For empire, they can run a couple different types of builds, depending on how many ships you want to fly (choose from 2-7) and how they want to fly (Aggressive and in-your-face, slippery, etc).

So for both factions-

- How many ships do you want to fly?
- any ships in particular you want to fly?
- From in-your-face, or slippery, or harassing, or massive initial barrages, goofy shit, or teamwork builds, or the like, how do you want your ships to fly?

>>52976820
Tie swarm is fun to fly, can be tricky to learn with. Practice, try not to block yourself, and focus fire.

Kir Kanos is pretty sad. Autothrusters should be stapled to every interceptor.

>>52976827
I prefer chips since between launching at PS14, coordinate, targeting synchronizer, and so on you shouldn't have trouble getting locks.

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>>52977396
I put it into perspective that they're the British in the Sepoy Rebellion or the Vietnam War.

Facing what amounts to a mix of treason and civil war, expertly trained, but not led very well, a long way from home, outnumbered, and facing unfavorable conditions. They fight hard, they inflict heavier casualties and take fewer of their own, but attrition kills them, and sometimes even the unsophisticated rebels win genuine victories thanks to sometimes less-than-stellar leadership and public opinion being against them by exaggerated occurrences, enemy propaganda, and some genuine mistakes resulting in atrocities. Ultimately, they lose the war, a myriad of factors contributing to it, but poor battlefield performance not being one of them.

Unsung Heroes, Lions led by Donkeys, whatever phrase you want to pick, I believe it applies not just to the Stormtroopers, but to the entire Imperial Army, and it really isn't fair that in more books and comics than not they get shafted.

>>52977422
I fucking love Weapons Guidance and Crack on Omegas- I run 5 of those as my normal go-to list.

Anyways, you might want to try out an ace to flank to help your TIE squad bully people.

It's not clear what you have- do you own Imperial Aces (2 Interceptors) or Imperial Veterans (Defender and Bomber)?

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>>52977338
>>52977430
Some people found out by sticking their nose where it doesn't belong!

>>52977430
>it's possible that Tarkin and Thrawn figure out his true identity
Tarkin novel flat-out states he knows, and that Vader knows he knows, but they keep it professional and don't broach the subject.

>>52977420
Except there's out-of-movie explanations for how they did that, and even in the movie Tarkin orders his men to let them escape.

There is no explanation as to why an Asian guy can mow down an army of Stormtroopers or how some girl can beat them up in close combat. They just do, and it's fucking retarded.

And before you say "The Force", no, that's not how the Force works.

>>52977471
>public opinion being against them by exaggerated occurrences, enemy propaganda, and some genuine mistakes resulting in atrocities
I believe you mean "atrocities as a manner of consistent policy."

>>52977508
>some girl
she worked with a paramilitary group led by a man considered too extreme for the rebellion
>And before you say "The Force", no, that's not how the Force works
(citation needed)

>>52977252
>Rebels
Teamwork, generally defensive abilities

Heroes of the Resistance, Ghost, K-Wing are good buys to start.

>Empire
Swarms and elite aces, not much in between

Veterans, FO, Striker, SF, TAP, Defender are all solid.

>Scum
Individual pilots, dirty tricks/debuffs, lots of wombo combo potential

Most Wanted, Jumpmaster, Shadowcaster, YV-666, Protectorate are great.

>>52977441
There might be some miscommunication there- I run the TIE/FO's attached to the Gozanti. The bombers fly on their own, probably alongside the Defenders. I the last times I've used this list, i set up the Gozanti in a corner facing inwards, and then deployed the PS 5/6 ships as a reaction.

I might run Long Range Scanners and Adaptability/VI- I could shoot first, and strip shields for the Glaive Squadrons to finish off whatever I'm shooting at, and then pooping out those thermal detonators to punish things trying to get behind me. It's also potentially 4 total points cheaper.

Or should I just swap the bombers to something else entirely? TIE/SF's with VI/adapt, Pattern, FCS, and LWF seem cool.

>>52977531
She worked for a militia, and those dudes worked for one of the most strictly-regimented and strict-training-regimened armed forces in galactic history. There is no comparison here, especially considering part of Stormtrooper training is expertise in unarmed and melee combat. If you fail even one portion of training, you're booted out and sent home. There is very little room for error or leeway, so by that logic, even one of those men had a much greater level of training than Jyn, and six of them combined should've been no contest.

>>52977441
Okay, Ill dump Kir.

>>52977495
What would be a good ace build?
I have imperial Aces

>>52977471
Poor leadership is easily the Imperial military's greatest weakness. You have people in positions of command purely because they're big Palpatinists, rather than capable commanders.

>>52977564
Okay I'm definitely gonna need a citation for whatever the fuck you're talking about now.

>>52977562
No, I get you. Even if they aren't loaded in, you can still uelse coordinate, targeting synchronizer, tracers, etc.

>>52977617
Unfortunately this has been a fatal flaw for many of history's most fantastic armies. Lions led by donkeys as they said in WWI. When even excellent soldiers are fucked over because their leadership sucks. Even the Romans faced it. It's definitely the biggest weakness of the Galactic Empire, and while there are definitely some outstanding military geniuses in there (Thrawn, Piett, Pellaeon, Palpatine when he's not elaborately scheming, Fel, Veers, Johans), for each of them there's ten men in leadership roles because of money or politics and not individual competency. It's the second biggest contributor to the Empire's losses in E.U. canon, with plot armor/hero armor being the only bigger cause, and it really sucks to imagine all of them that died, since Stormtroopers and Army guys and Navy guys are literally just normal people. There's no difference other than training and side between a Rebel soldier and an Imperial soldier. They both fight for some kind of ideal, they both fight for pay, they both likely have family, and they both fight. They're sentient beings both, but one side has the misfortune of incompetent leadership.

>>52977435
>How many ships do you want to fly?
I think I'd like to start out with a low number of ships so I don't have too much to keep track of, so probably 2-4 ships

>any ships in particular you want to fly?
For rebels: E-Wing, Falcon, A-Wing, or B-wing
For empire: TIE Striker, TIE Defender, TIE Interceptor, or Decimator

>From in-your-face, or slippery, or harassing, or massive initial barrages, goofy shit, or teamwork builds, or the like, how do you want your ships to fly?
I think I'd lean towards either a teamwork, massive initial barrage, or in-your-face playstyle

>They don't have duds on the level of the TIE Punisher
I've seen this said elsewhere, what makes the Punisher so bad?

>>52977694
The thing about normal people is that normal people can be utterly horrible. The Wehrmacht wasn't clean; its soldiers were, for the most part, quite strongly behind the Nazi cause and were perfectly willing to commit or at least accept atrocities done to those they considered subhuman; I'd say the Empire is almost certainly like the Third Reich in this respect as well.

>>52977612
If you don't want to proxy Pilot Cards- Carnor Jax is top shit.

Carnor, with PTL, Autothrusters, and your choice of Stealth, Shield, or Hull.

His ability is brutal if he gets alongside/behind something and your TIEs have it in arc- It's a one-way ticket to pound town. Run him on the flank and force your opponents to make a difficult choice.

It's usually run alongside Howlrunner and 3 Black squadron Pilots, all with Crack Shot. It requires a 4th tie that you don't have though.

An alternative could be Howl with adaptability, 2 omegas with crack, and an Academy, but that might be a bit harder to fly., as the academy's job is a Blocker- he wants to get into our opponent's face and jam their shit up.

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>>52977760
>Godwin's Law being relevant in a universe where this happens

>>52977694
>one side
To be fair, Johnny Reb had to deal with the likes of Borsk Fey'lya and the Bothans. Put a Bothan in charge of a military operation and you get the First Battle of Borleias. Also sometimes Mon Mothma, depending on the writer. Sometimes she's competent, sometimes Garm was right.

>>52977760
My dude.
They are literally called stormtroopers.

>>52977790
>sometimes Garm was right.
Garm was always right.

>>52977786
Godwin's Law is relevant in the real world, where there were actual Nazis.

>>52977814
The point is that Nazis are an extremely relevant comparison to the Empire; this was very definitely the authorial intent.

>>52977802
>Stormtroopers were specialist soldiers of the German Army in World War I. In the last years of the war, Stoßtruppen ("Shock troops" or "Thrust Troops") were trained to fight with "infiltration tactics", part of the Germans' new method of attack on enemy trenches.

The origin of stormtroopers. Huh. Nothin' about Nazis there.

>>52977790
That's fair. The Rebs did have some awful leaders, but to put it into perspective, think of it like a Total War game.

The Empire is a large faction with really good but expensive units. However, they've had a long time to build, so their player has tons of armies everywhere with numerous generals. However, with so many generals few of them have much experience, and many have shit traits.

The Rebels are smaller in size, with cheaper but more numerous units. To compensate for their size, the Rebel player has only a few generals, but minmaxes and levels the shit out of them.

The Rebel player swarms weaker enemy generals and destroys them, gaining traits and levels by the dozens because he only uses the same generals. By the time the Imperial player responds, his good generals have no support from anyone else, like one stack fighting four full stacks led by the same overleveled Rebel generals.

The Galactic Civil War is a Total War game.

>>52977625
Stop arguing with an idiot, he's just trying to stir shit up.

>>52977860
Oh, dear. Is this a "muh Asiatic hordes" argument? Particularly since the Rebellion was vastly smaller than the Empire until it had already practically won...

>>52977840
In looks? Maybe. The Empire otherwise has no indication of being Space Nazis.

Fascism? That's not a Nazi-exclusive thing. Many governments before and after Germany have had fascist ideas or systems, and the modern idea of fascism was invented by Italy, not Nazi Germany.

Authoritarian? Many, many, many governments in history have been and are authoritarian. That's not a Nazi exclusive thing.

Slavery of a handful of alien races? Many, many governments have practiced slavery in history, and the Nazis were not one of them.

A few mass killing incidents? Nearly every war in history has had one or both sides commit war crimes, including mass killing. It is not a Nazi exclusive thing.

Only when JarJar Abrams decided that audiences were stupid and needed a Nazi parallel in his bad movie did it become obvious, but that's not how it was in the E.U. or the O.T.

>>52977917
>Many, many governments have practiced slavery in history, and the Nazis were not one of them.
Fucking what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II

>>52977709
The punisher is missing some of the things that make ordinance good, it's very expensive once you pay for all of the missiles/torpedoes/bombs it needs, and it is slow as FUCK. In comparison, it's counterpart is the K-wing, an that ship is top-tier.

Starting with Empire since I play them more- The Decimator, if it's in your list, will be most of your list. A decimator under 60 points is rare. That leaves usually just enough for 1 ace, typically a defender (probably Countess Ryad), an Interceptor (Soontir or Carnor), the Inquisitor, or maybe Vader. (50 to 65 points when equipped)

The striker is ship that's all about going sanic fast. It's kinda cheap, but not enough to spam effectively, and it's maneuverable. (19 to 26 points when equipped)

Defender is either a ship that shoots a shitload, and trades by rolling dice, or a slippery fucker that tries to stack tokens to survive forever. It depends f you take the /x7 (get an evade token when you go fast, no cannons or missiles allowed) or /D (shoot your main gun for free after you shoot a cannon) title. 28 to 45 points when equipped.

Interceptors are known for their aces- They are slippery and focus on flanking shit and shooting it in the sides. 20-36 points, equipped.

E-wing is the Corran horn machine. It's a combination of slippery and high burst damage. 41-48 points when equipped.

The Falcon is either what is known as a Fat Turret, which relies on being as durable as possible, or it's a hard-hitter with Rey at the helm. it can be ran with other pilots and be cheaper though. 48-63 when equipped.

The A-wing is either a late game wingman (Jake, etc) or it's a harasser (Green Squadron Pilots with snap shot and the like). 20-35

B-wings do one thing particularly well- Fly into people's faces. With 3 attack and 8 health, and the system slot allowing for FCS/advanced sensors, B-wings fly into fights and try to beat the shit out of everything that they see. Aces like Ten Numb do shenanigans. 22-39

>>52977917
Mate, you're assuming either JJ or Lucas actually knew any of that shit.

>>52977942
Forced Labor/Work Internment =/= Slavery

And forced labor, especially for prisoners, is still a staple of warfare and has been since the beginning of recorded war history. That is not Nazi exclusive.

>>52977914
90% of the time whenever Rebel armies attacked or did offensive ops they had a significant numerical advantage over the defenders, at least in Legends

>>52977840
They really aren't, kike. The Galactic Empire is pretty much directly the British Empire IN SPAAAAACE. They share pretty much nothing in common with Nazis beyond the fact that both took the term Stormtrooper from the Germans in WWI.

>>52977751
I really like the alt build there. Definitely going to try it next time I fly.

>>52977975
Except for the whole non-combatant bit.

>>52977786
>what is North Korea
>what is the Soviet Union
>what is any militaristic dictatorship

>>52978001
The Empire labeled certain species, mainly Geos and Wooks, as combatants, and not exactly without reason. The Geos were incredibly hostile to the Empire at its inception, and the Wooks turned violent after Order 66.

These slavers want to turn our people into slaves. They bring free people to their worlds, mock them, drive them to madness with hunger, to the point of eating grass and worms, and a filthy Imperial with a rotten cigarra in his mouth philosophises: "Are these even people?.."
We know everything. We remember everything. We understand: Imperials are not people. Henceforth, the word "Imperial" is the deadliest curse. Henceforth, the word "Imperial" discharges rifles. We shall not talk. We shall not resent. We shall kill. If you haven't killed a single Imperial in a day, your day is wasted. If you think your comrade will kill your Imperial for you, you underestimate the threat. If you don't kill an Imperial, the Imperial will kill you. He will take all yours and he will torture them in his damned Imperial Center. If you can't kill an Imperial with a bolt, kill him with a vibroblade. If all is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the battle, kill an Imperial before the battle. If you let an Imperial live, the Imperial will hang a free man and disgrace a free woman. If you've already killed an Imperial, kill another one — there's nothing more amusing for us than Imperial corpses.

Do not count days. Do not count kilometers. Count only the number of Imperials you have killed. Kill the Imperial--this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the Imperial--this is what your children beg. Kill the Imperial--this is the cry of your free earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

>>52977636
In that case, would you suggest Crack, Deadeye, VI, or Adapt as their EPT?

Plasma or Proton?

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>>52978069
I'd appreciate it if we kept the soviet propaganda out of the thread as well. My family managed to get killed by both nazis and communists, (during/after WW2), and the idolizing of either side is not exactly something I'd like to see in a thread about board games.

>>52977860
>Rebels are swarms, and Imperial are a few expensive units
Dude, what the actual shit? You don't need to look beyond the easy comparison between their standard starfighter to see that you are full of shit. The Empire can out-produce just about anything the rebels could dream of because of their overwhelming industrial production, and they were also capable of out-gunning them as well. Especially BBY, literally all the Rebels really had going for them was their shonen-style fighting spirit and the fact that they strongly believed in their cause while General Twistywhisker and Admiral Whatava just saw them as insignificant issues that were dealt with as part of the requirements of their position rather than any real care.

Honestly, that's the only real failing in Sheev's Empire is the fact that him and Tarkin got their kicks jerking off over instilling fear that they never bothered to really cultivate a radical hatred of the rebels. I wonder how much of that is just a byproduct of the age, though, given that it was the same time that we were dedicating space shuttles to the Taliban? Especially in the face of New Terrorism, I'd be surprised if Palps wasn't making more of an effort to instill hatred for the rebellion rather than for one another.

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>>52977873
I'm just trying to understand this mindset
Shit I can't even think of shit in the eu that portrayed rank and file stormies as hard as he's fellating them, much less in the canon

>>52978176
It's the same reason some people fellate the rebellion.

>>52978188
Pseudo-wehrabooism?

>>52978151
Not gay, moreso nazi's killed most of my great-aunts/uncles, and then immediately after the war, they had the government seize everything from them because they were jewish.

My grandfather and his wife were the only ones that survived until 1950 out of their 13 brothers/sisters(added up), and that's because he was able to use the money he got from earning a Order of the Patriotic War 1'st class/destroying tanks at kursk. Similar things happened on my mom's side of the family, except they had more of them killed by communists, as they were from Ukraine vs Belarus.

>>52978121
I'm not sure if I'd call that "idolizing," but fair enough.

>>52978176
Not him, but I definitely remember Stormtroopers as being... well, Stormtroopers. Elite Imperial infantry whose presence meant bad shit was going down, one way or another. Hell, even in EotE, I sure as shit wouldn't even pick a stick-fight with a mob of stormtroopers and expect it to do anyway other than tits up. In RPG terms, mid-level minions that can still give your party pause while a trio of them would terrify the shit out of a bunch of new characters.

>>52978224
Cool, I guess. I don't really give a shit. Not even the dude spouting the Soviet shit, but it's also a fair bit more relevant than the Nazi discussion, given that the life of a TIE pilot is straight up Soviet-tier torture. So shut up, stop blogging, and let's get back on topic, shall we? :^)

>>52977950
Ah ok, now I'm understanding, thanks for the help so far. What are some of the common builds for each of these ships?

>>52978311
I'll run out of characters to type, give me some specific ships you want to see builds for.

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>>52978176
They're described in some different sources for games (like the Edge of the Empire starter) as being pretty BA. And it's true that Storm Troopers generally roll over rebel infantry in direct combat.
They have cool uniforms, and the only other standing military we see them fight (the Rebels) look like amateurs compared to them. So yeah, some people get the impression that Storm Troopers are tough. Which they are!
But the idea that a well trained guerrilla warrior hero lady with years of experience *couldn't* mow them down is silly. Han guns storm troopers down in droves, and his on-screen backstory is basically "drug runner with a heart of gold".
I dunno, I think some people just get triggered by how wimpy the regular ST are in Rogue One. They really get the crap kicked out of them and don't get many moments of looking scary and unstoppable like they do in some of the other films. Which is a shame really, as Rogue One could have used a few more scenes of STs running rough-shod over what little resistance the rebels can offer to hammer home how desperate the situation is.

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Man fuck FFG and their "you have to buy all the ships to get all of the upgrade cards" crap.
In other wargames, I can buy the models in the faction I want and not have to worry about the other faction. BUT NOT IN FGG GAMES.
FUCK.

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Question. I want to try out Integrated Holsters on my armor. What're the best weapons that are Encumbrance 3 or lower?

>>52978373
This is my least favorite part of my favorite game.

But for 5 dollars you can print all the cards you need from staples.
and for tourney play I just borrow my friends cards.

>>52978371
That image is awesome. Do you have any others like it?

>>52978436
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if they try this shit with Runewars

>>52978336
How about the K-wing, E-wing, Falcon, Decimator, Defender, and Striker?

>>52978456

they've already said they aren't. Given the costs of starting and the fact it isn't a star wars game, they're probably less willing to risk alienating new and potential new players by jerking them around with upgrade card shenanigans.

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>>52978373
Get custom cards printed. Either custom or use the original art.

Have a high-res crack shot.

>>52978518
Do you have adaptability by any chance?

>>52978436
How frowned upon is it to use proxies at non-tournaments?

>>52978478
The E-wing has only one usable pilot- Corran Horn, and he's good.

He needs R2-D2 and Fire Control Systems. His ability to shoot twice in one round combos well with FCS (shoot someone, lock on to them, and then shoot them again) and R2-D2 combined with 3 shields lets you stay alive for a while.

Uusually, you then also run Engine Upgrade and Push the Limit- This lets you either arc-dodge or token stack (focus and evade) to not take damage, and then you can get back into the fight, and double-tap again. He's a hit and run burst damage ship. If you can't afford PTL and Engine Upgrade for some reason, you can run no engine and VI or Adaptability if needed, but it's not recommended.

The K-wing honestly can be built to do anything. You can run a 56 point K-wing and have it be good, you can run a 29 point K-wing and have it be good. it is a toolbox, that you build to solve problems.

The Falcon's common loadouts are some sort of Rey variant or Fat Han.

Fat Han usually runs c-3p0, Luke, Predator, Engine upgrade, and the evade action Falcon title. By guessing 0 each time with 3p0 and taking an evade action each round (unless he can use Engine Upgrade to dodge arcs), han negates 2 damage a turn. When he rolls dice, he can mod with Predator/his ability and Luke.

Rey runs Finn, Kanan, the flipping title, and either Engine or Dampeners or the like. Her EPT is more variable. She gets stuff in her firing arc and fucks it up. Not as tanky as Han, nor can she use Luke crew to ensure attacks do something, but her 1 shot a turn hits much harder.

Decimator is usually either Captain Oicunn, who rams into people for damage, or it's Rear Admiral Chiraneau, aka RAC/Chirpy. This thing has 3 crew slots, so you can outfit it to do what you want. The mean build is RAC with Predator, Gunner, Hot-Shot-Co-Pilot, Captive/Kylo, and Engine Upgrade. It steals people's focus tokens and then punches them in the face. Decimators also like Vader crew, as they have health to spare.

>>52978545
I only found the art for the down half of adaptability- if you can find the image of the original adaptability (+1) side art, i can make it.

>>52978589
If your proxies don't look like shit, (eg, custom cards) they are acceptable to use at tournaments. At non-tournaments, as long as you have the ships/dials, you should be fine.

>>52978589
Honestly, if someone doesn't want to play with you because you use proxies, you probably don't want to play with them any way. Probably a cunt who doesn't know how to have fun. Most people understand that you can't drop 100+ dollars on the 5 cards you need that come with ships you'll never use

I've literally never been called out on it. But my locals are pretty cool

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>>52978604
It wasn't enough for Rey to be bullshit in tfa (((they))) had to spread her cancer to my second favorite miniatures game.

>>52978695
???

>>52978604
If you need a cheaper decimator, many poeple run different EPTs or different crew combos. It can carry palpatine, Boshek, your choice. Build it to a role and have it do that. It doesn't like swarms of ships though, as it has an agility of 0.

The defender does one of two things- It uses /x7 to survive, or it uses /D to deal damage. /x7 is the cheaper option, points wise as well. Its a pretty in-your-face ship, and the only ship in the game with a white k-turn. It flips around constantly, especially with /x7 People use Deltas to joust, Glaives to joust with a trick, Countess to flip even more, Vessery to fuck people up with incredibly accurate attacks, Stele to fish for crits, and rexler to bully things with low agility.

for /x7, you either see naked deltas, glaives with Juke, Countess with PTL and Mk2 engines, Colonel Vessery with Juke and potentially a mod, (sometimes Swarm Leader if it's a Death-laser build, sometimes VI if he is hanging out with PS8 people), Stele with Juke or Predator or VI or the like, or Rexler with Expertise.

For TIE/D, you see cannons on everything, and usually predator or Expertise. Taking Expertise means you probably want Mk2 engines, and if you are vessery, don't take predator. Run either Tractor Beams or Ion Cannons. Vessery can potentially use Ruthlessness+tractor Beam as well for a mean combo.

Strikers- Give them Light Weight frame, some of them have EPT slots.

Black Squadron- Crack Shot or predator.
Pure S.- VI, or Predator
Dutchess- VI, Adaptability, or Predator/Lone Wolf.

They don't have very much customization.

Any questions?

>>52978695
It's not like she's OP- she has the same weaknesses as any other big ship (swarms) and she's predictable as fuck with her sloops, so you can block and eat her. out of arc she effectively has no mods.

>>52978722
Not right now at least, you went way more in depth than I was expecting. I really appreciate you're help anon, thanks!

One last thing, any advice in general I should know? As in common mistakes to avoid?

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>>52976193
>You will never hold your dying Emperor's horribly scarred hand after he was assassinated by a robot space princess.

Those eye lasers shot through two hearts that day.

Force and Destiny. I'm playing a spooky force scholar that's got a lightsaber and kills all the dudes with it. This is possible because the game is starting at Knight level.

The thing that's worrying me is in my last game our GM put the fear of god in me for One True Build-ism, like, "You must absolutely put these stats here or you'll suck for the whole game and you won't be able to recover," that kind of thing.

So...I don't know what I'm asking, but I want to feel like I'm working on my character when really I'm just paralyzed by anxiety so instead I'm posting on 4chan. Hi.

>>52978817
Don't over upgrade ships. Just because it has the slot, it doesn't mean it has to be filled.

Eg- don't give torpedoes to every ship in your squad, unless you are specifically building to use those torps.

Don't be scared of just printing out upgrade cards on cardboard. You aren't going to worlds.

>>52979006
>>52978817
Also, your description of the list you want to fly as
>teamwork, massive initial barrage, in-your-face playstyle

Sounds like a list I know- Swarm Leader Vessery. Colonel Vessery in this list relies on other ships to allow him to fire the meme laser- a 5/6 dice attack with full mods.

Colonel Vessery (swarm Leader, TIE/x7) is 36. You then want ships to feed him evade tokens and paint something with a target lock.

I use Countess Ryad (TIE/x7, PTL, Mk2 engines)-36. She can focus+evade+target lock each round, and she is powerful late game after Vessery inevitable bites it (no-one wants to get shot by him, so he's public enemy number 1 for your opponent)

For the last 28 points, I run a Delta with /x7. He also provides Evade tokens for Swarm Leader, is tanky, can block higher-PS ships to fuck with their plans, and can paint for Vessery in a pinch.

It's something you could potentially borrow some ships and try, once you figure out how the game works more.

Colonel Vessery(TIE/x7, Swarm Leader)-36
Countess Ryad(TIE/x7, Push the Limit, Twin Ion Engines mk2)-36
Delta Squadron Pilot(TIE/x7)-28

100/100- The Meme laser squadron.

Are there any detailed/interesting unarmed martial arts in the star wars universe? I want to build a FFG character who goes pure unarmed and I could use some fluff behind that

>>52978371
>Han guns storm troopers down in droves
Of course. It's a fucking space opera action movie, the heroes are gonna kill mooks by the dozen even if they were only accountants before getting sucked into the fight.
Red Dawn isn't a valid source about soviet military prowess either.

I hope we'll see Imperial Army or COMPNOR Assault troopers in the future, since Disney reintroduced them in the books.

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So what powers would a Force User have if he ate the bones of every Jedi (or Sith) he wasted?

>>52979229
Is he the exile?
Yes : See Kotor 2 character sheet.
No : Nothing.

If eating Force users was an effective method to gain powers, you would have jedi farms or cloning tanks and Palps would eat a baby every day.

>>52979229
The ability to spit hot fire in a rap battle.

>>52973917
I like him whiny and pathetic rather than Darkside Jacen. I mean ideally we would have gotten the friendly punmaster but if he had to be evil I am glad he was pathetic.

>>52975126
Ahahahaha. Oh wow.

>>52979140
No Disintegrations has an unarmed specialization. It can get pretty good; play as a Trandoshan.and you can get down to crit 1 on your unarmed attacks. That lets you shred through minions, and on harder enemies you can choose your crit results for maximum effect.

>>52979140
>>52979562

Oh, you were looking for fluff. Well, Trandoshan religion is always neat, and maybe the Scorekeeper has a multiplier for shit you tear apart with your bare claws.

>>52977729
Eh, eastern front machties got pretty brutal, the ones sent west and south stayed mostly clean.

The Empire however had *Most* of its forces in areas where they were ostensibly told they were heing sent there to help bring order. I mean in former CIS turf there may have been some parallels to the whole "Slav subhumans who would wipe us out for the commiejews given the chance, maim and murder wherever you can," propaganda officially or unofficially.

How official vs unofficial orders to be douchenozles were depend on region, EU vs NuCanon, in-universe date, out of universe publication date and of course author and editor/storygroup.

>>52977078
I just pretend we got an edited version of the story and she was ripping and tearing with a Vibroblade that could not be shown without a hard R.

>>52979140
Not canon, but consider the idea of a human who's just such a massive, strong motherfucker that he is possibly the only human to ever successfully learn Wookiee Boxing

>>52977049
Have they actually confirmed that the Nucanon Imperial army even HAS an Infantry branch? We have only seen them as vehicle crews so far. (And even that's been almost phased out now that they have scout troopers.)

Navytroopers are definitely a thing as non-elite forces (rather than their Dark Forces interpretation as commandos.) But the army is absent without vehicles.

>>52976910
I see you've never actually had to deal with multiple opponents.

>>52977278
If she wasn't using a blunt weapon or if they had managed to sell "Whiplash concussion " better (which is a VERY hard stunt to do without y'know an actual concussion.) I would have less problem with it.

Same for most of Chirrut's beatdown part, a knockdown incapacitating blow with a blunt weapon on an armored target standing on a flat surface where they are clearly not being shanked in the neck offscreen by flesheating teddybears is a VERY tough sell.

why are droids so garbage in the RPGs? when you factor in all their attributes starting at 1 they end up with an XP penalty compared to other species

is there any way to make a droid character that doesn't suck?

>>52979793
Droid character are supposed to be specialized

>>52979140
Teras kasi is a legends martial art used to kill Jedi.

>>52979140
Echani martial arts are the most detailled, I think.

>>52974004

Im going to my first store championship at the end of may. Im flying Norra/Biggs/Wedge because its the list Ive had the most practice with.

Ill be lucky if I even get last place, but Im excited to play some games that arent on my buddies dining room table

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What was his endgame?

>>52979602
I have it on good authority that the western portions of German Army got pretty ugly once Normandy and the subsequent invasion put them into a corner, but I suppose literally butchering enemy soldiers in their sleep could just be some chimpanzee-worthy instinct humans fall back on under extreme duress
Fuck if I know

>>52980493
Peace and prosperity for his new empire

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>>52979651
>Wookiee Boxing
I feel almost sorry for the trashdoshans, now

>>52980493
UNLIMITED political POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEER.

>>52980032
>>52979793

They're also immune to a bunch of stuff that other races aren't, can survive vacuum with no drawbacks, etc

>>52979140
Take your pick
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Martial_arts

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>>52977471
They're assault troops, you're going to get a spread of 'talent' across something the size of a galaxy which ranges from the very good, to the utter shit. There will be a standard of course placed upon an institution to create various soldiers, but that'll be as varied as anything we see currently- some trainers are better than others, some society's produce better warriors and ultimately at the end of the day all they'll really have is the uniform guns, armour and pay check.

Soldiers from some of the better institutions raising them, will get picked off to be stationed on star destroyers, important core-world facilities and so forth. The shit ones end up on a pre-fabbed FOB out in the boonies having spears chucked at them by the natives or end up being cops that have to stand out as part of the Empires policy of being all over your shit- so they get to guard a street on some bumhole town and rebels shoot/IED them for fun and amusement. Course the other part of that is, having assault troops being "Cops" is that they give you a hammer and anything that sticks up, gets belted because that's all you really do.

>>52977617
>Poor leadership is easily the Imperial military's greatest weakness.
To some extent they picked up the republic's facilities, training, officer schools, old clone gear and just put a different flag on it. Course the downside of that was the Republic was fucking garbage and didn't into war very well. Palps really not helping things by deliberately sticking peacenik monks in charge of clone forces, then telling them to go fight- which is possibly his greatest Sith in-joke yet
He's an evil dickbag, but got to give the guy credit for pulling that one off! :)

But yep, the tradition of sticking "persons of privilege" into the military as officers is very well alive in SW. Its an old adage, but one most of the general public still perceives as being correct in a lot of parts of the world... hell it still exists in some parts of the world today

>>52978980
I'd just GTFO. Mandatory charop is bullshit.

>>52980493
Wiping out the Jedi Order. After that I think he was just doing his thing.

>>52980450
Sounds like a fun list. Norra and Wedge can put out some serious hurt.

>>52980493
He was looking for something in the Unknown Regions.

>>52981563

The coolest thing Ive ever done with it is two hit a TIE/D defender. In that game Wedge was rolling three hits naturally with every attack

>want to spam Z-95s with Blount
>don't want to pay $17 for a second or even third squadrons 2 pack because I don't need more of anything else
>nobody selling them separately because everyone else is in the same boat

damn you FFG you crafty fucks

>>52980035
And a shitty Tekken knock off for the Playstation.

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>>52979140
ANSWER ME, ANONS. THE SCHOOL OF THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST.

>>52981882
>crafty fucks
That's a funny way to spell fucking assholes

>>52980691

the game specifically mentions you can ignore threats like poison gas or vacuum be spending a Force Point "to just so happen" to have a rebreather, etc.

And when was the last time your GM threatened your group with starvation?

>>52977108
>I have no idea why Disney got rid of that.

Because Disney know that people know that Stormtroopers are useless fodder for teddy bears. Also that people are by and large totally fine with that.

>>52981882
My FLGS has a buy 2 get 1 free sale every year, so I got 6.

Any opinions on the quadjumper? It looks like a fun little ship

>>52982820
You may also make up the difference on the bonus skill ranks.

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>>52973693
>Who is your Star Wars husbando?

>>52979140
The new Thrawn Book has some interesting forms and types.

>>52982949
It looks totally fun, but my friend who runs Scum exclusively HATES it for some incomprehensible reason.
I think he just wants to run cheese.

>>52982949
It's jank personified. I love it.

>>52980493
Immortality and the Empire to sustain him ad infinitim.

>>52980493
Tarkin Novel states it was to become a god.

He was also looking for something in the Unknown Regions to accomplish this.

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>>52979665
Naw dude, the nucanon empire is all like "everyone gets to be a stormtrooper" , stormtroopers are the common troop of the nucanon Empire.

This is fine news since in the Legends, the imperial army was mostly just ignored and stormtroopers were mowed down in droves to show how donut steel a new character was.

>>52983187
>This is fine news since in the Legends, the imperial army was mostly just ignored and stormtroopers were mowed down in droves to show how donut steel a new character was.

Its like poetry. It rhymes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThtiKEPQd9s

>>52983221
The more things change, the more they stay the same .

So, how does hyperspace works? What are the typical durations, what do hyperlanes do?

>>52982820
That's a specific talent (utility belt, that has the exact same name as a piece of gear because fuck the players), and considering what a GM can do with a Force point, it isn't a light matter.

I've got a casual X-Wing tornament tomorrow, which I want to have fun in and not get stomped.

I want to run Hera in the Ghost with a docked Phantom but I can't decide on a Wingman for her. My build for her is:
Accuracy Corrector (3)
Autoblaster Turret (2)
Nien Numb (1)
Intelligence Agent (1)
Ghost (0)

Ideally I want the docked Phantom to be a reasonably effective unit in its own right, so my idea was to run Ezra with:
Rage (1)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
But I can drop to a naked Zeb if the wingman is really good.

My thoughts were to either run this with Keyan Farlander (I would need to drop Ezra to Zeb) with Stay on Target, as it seems fun to be able to alter my manouvres with both ships. Or, I could use Braylenn Stram with R3-A2 and Tactician. Or, I could slap Ahsoka in a captured TIE with Sabine, EMP and a bomb.

Help me, /swg/. You're my only hope.

>>52983221
I don't expect movie directors to excell at tactics, but that's the exact reason why you don't actually surround a foe when there's still a chance you might need to shoot at him.

>>52983303
I prefer to drop the Phantom to a naked Zeb while I'm playing with it docked but your Angry Ezra isn't a bad option.

Stresshog as a wingman wouldn't be a bad option to take either.

What's your local meta like?

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I just bought a pelta, liberty, and assfrig mk2 to complete my rebel armada collection

Now what list should I take to my next (casual) game?

I've now got core set, CC, and one of every rebel expansion (and one extra flotilla for total of two) but none of the imperial stuff (aside from what comes in core / CC / R&V)

>>52983324
Who's your favorite admiral?

>>52983293
Hyperspace is basically Star Trek's subspace, but physically accessible. It's a subdimension attached to realspace that is still affected by realspace objects like stars and planets, but otherwise allows for FTL travel.

Hyperlanes are essentially the super-highways of the galaxy, typically the fastest and easiest route through hyperspace with the least amount of obstructions.

Typical durations depends. Mostly, speed of plot. Some books try to say it'd take a couple weeks to go from one end of the galaxy to the other, while others say it might take a day or two at most.

>>52974576

I thought they were in character.

We have Maul, the basic assassin animal savage.

You got Dooku, a classy motherfucker.

You got Vader, the nu-attack dog and general.

Then you have Sideous who was just a scheming, plotting intelligent senate

then you have Ren who just smashes shit when shit doesn't go his way because you gotta get the anger out somehow right

>>52983318
It varies from people who just fly what they like to a core of pretty good players who fly quite competitively and really know the game inside out. Not every list will be meta but a few will be.

>>52983221
>surround an enemy so you're all but guaranteed to take friendly crossfire
>continue shooting at him repeatedly even while he's actively holding a friendly as a shield who is getting shot to shit by you
>run into melee range before firing your gun

top strats

>>52983340
I've been running mostly Akbar lately so I'd like to go with something different, so after him maybe Dodonna? I've never really used Rieekan or Cracken and I've only run Mon Mothma once, plus Sato / Madine / Garm I only just now own.

>>52983369
>>52974576
I liked Kylo Ren a lot. His character might actually be the only thing from the two Disney films so far that I thought was well done.

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>>52983369
What party role does Savage "Goldust" Oppress fill?

>>52983303
TIE Fighter: •Ahsoka Tano (23)
•Captured TIE (1)
•Sabine's Masterpiece (1)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Intelligence Agent (1)
Scavenger Crane (2)

VCX-100: •Hera Syndulla (59)
Engine Upgrade (4)
•Ghost (0)
Accuracy Corrector (3)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
•C-3PO (3)
Navigator (3)

Attack Shuttle: •"Zeb" Orrelios (18)
•Phantom (0)

Total: 100/100

Hera can change her maneuver around between her ability and navigator, plus she can boost and still get modified attacks. Ahsoka gives her the crazy ability to boost at the start of combat, even if you had lost your action earlier in the round. Intel Agent helps with Heragating. And for fun you can blow captured tie to shoot then pick it back up with scavenger crane.

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How would RoTS played out at the end if Padme wasn't a moralfag and supported her Husband?

>>52983388
You could go heavy into Cracken's raiders with a list that uses a lot of squadrons and all small to medium base ships?

>>52974373
>>52974402
>>52974531
There is no one I despise in this world more than Mike "The Kike" Stoklasa lads.

>>52983317
Donnie Yen choreographed that scene, not the director. It was part of Donnie's contract that he choreographed his own fights, which is why the movie only gave him the one.

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>>52983474
Ass mad prequel baby detected

>>52983417
>And for fun you can blow captured tie to shoot then pick it back up with scavenger crane
That's so fucking cheeky it might just work.

I could drop the TLT to autoblaster and use Hera for Range 1 fuckery instead of range 3? Then I get to bump the shuttle up to Ezra and swap the crew around on the Ghost.

>>52983351
>Typical durations depends. Mostly, speed of plot. Some books try to say it'd take a couple weeks to go from one end of the galaxy to the other, while others say it might take a day or two at most.
Damn.
That's a major point of the setting, you'd think they'd have ruled on the matter.

>>52983503
Mike has no idea what he's talking about and his few points that aren't either hyperbolized for comedy or aren't just "m-muh OT" basically boil down to "i don't CONNEEEEEECT with the characters" which is the most normie fucking shit

>>52983544
Welcome to SPACE OPERA. Plot supersedes all else.

>>52983496
Its a well-choreographed fight, but doesn't make much sense in context.

Petite Jyn using a baton that never appears again in the movie to manhandle a bunch of Stormies in the alley makes even less sense.

>>52983624
But they're stormtroopers, they exist to be pummeled by protagonists.

>>52983641
Pls no bully the stormtroopers

>>52983509
If you go autoblaster that's a different build and probably won't go as well. TLT/3PO works because you can stay far away and mitigate damage coming your way while doing consistent damage yourself. You trade well for as long as possible. When your list is basically just the ghost, letting a whole squad fire at you will drop you so quickly.

If you go autos, you'll probably want another threat to draw fire or at least kill stuff more quickly. Going Cassian/Navigator could be fun, then swapping Ahsoka for something like Wedge.

The attack shuttle stays pretty lean just because if it's out you've probably lost. I'm a fan of rage, inspiring, autoblaster on Ezra, though.

>>52983569
having relateable characters is writing 101 though. "I don't connect with the characters" is a valid criticism for something as commercial as Star Wars. Were it an indie or an arthouse film, then if you don't connect with a character the movie's just not for you, but with movies designed to appeal to a mass audience the characters have to be relateable .

>>52983624
To be fair, a lot of shit in R1 doesn't feel right in context. The way that movie is editted is such shit. You can tell they had a different story to tell and after reshoots they had to do a lot of work to make the footage they had tell a new story (Especially on Scarif). It's why the space battle stands out as so much better than the rest of the film. It's mostly CGI and could be tailor made to fit the rest of the remade movie.

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>>52978622
I cant find anything thats not just the pull off of the wiki

Is this fine of a proxy? will it print too blurry?

>>52983654
Oh no mr storm trooper, here come the mean ole named characters.

>>52983660
The choppy tone is a huge part of R1's problem.

Its an okay movie with bad lead characters, but its a great sourcebook.

>>52983696
The person could use strange eons to make both sides?

>>52983660
>"I don't connect with the characters" is a valid criticism
For you, the individual, sure. I had no problem """""""""""""""""""connecting"""""""""""""" with the main cast of the PT and I was between six and ten at the time.
but hey le prequel babby will be a sufficient retort I'm sure

>>52983544

Well you could just say something like the main trade routes arent just known 'safe' routes - they're also places where hyperspace is 'worn down' by regular travel, and so you can go much faster along them.

It's retarded, but it at least explains how you can move half the galaxy in an hour or two weeks depending on source.

Just depends on the route you take.

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>>52983569
>wah wah wah
Mike is always right. Tfa was a safe but well made SW film and JJ really understands the Spirit of SW. He had great characters and a tight plot. R1 was boring with shit characters and relied on nostalgia pandering. Muh ST, Xwings, AtSts is a valid complaint. But you are probably a prequel baby so your opinion on Mike is invalid.

>>52983783

>Rogue One
>boring
what the fuck even.
I can understand the other complaints, even if I dont agree with them, but boring?

>>52983802
Not him, but I too found Rogue One boring.

I don't care about pretty explosions if I don't care about the people exploding, and the plot was silly and convoluted.

>>52983802
Not him, but I totally agree that it was boring. There were like 5 shots total that I found interesting. And those 5 or so are fucking sick, but they don't tentpole the movie.

>>52983783
>>jaded star trek fan calls star wars boring

wew lad

>>52983802
R1 doesn't get any action until the last battle at Scariff and even then the action was garbage. Hilariously inept Empire. STs mowed down, SDs made of paper and Vader is a pun using clown. Everything before that is boring, convoluted and unnecessary.

>>52983822
>>52983824

Well shit.
Opinions I guess.

Genuinely surprised by that one, for me it was probably my joint favourite up there with Empire and ANH but even then I can at least see where the other complaints are coming from.

>>52983847
>>Hilariously inept Empire
>>ST's mowed down
>SDs made of paper
>>Vader pun using clown

So it was a star wars film?

>>52983829
Oh so you are one of those easily excited by explosions types. Deep thinking, intrigue and character interactions are above you.

>>52983822
>>52983824
>>52983847
Rogue One was nowhere near as boring as or as predictable as tfa

>>52983871
Oh yes, I had clearly made some sort of identification function of my own beliefs, I graciously thank you for your succinct and pungent narrative concerning my tastes.

>>52983891
I disagree. While TFA was safe, it wasn't tremendously predictable until the latter part of the movie and the Star Killer Base scenes.

>>52983717
>but its a great sourcebook
That's why I like it honestly, it's got some good worldbuilding that they had to destroy because Disney hates interesting things and some nice scenes but the overall plot is jank and cobbled together.

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Anything I should definitely include? Print shop charges by the page, and I have room for at least 4 more cards

>>52983802
AT-STS
AT-STS
STAR DESTROYERS
TIE FIGHTERS
X-WINGS FIGHTING TIE FIGHTERS

>>52984122
R2D2
C3P0
I'm GONNA CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

>>52983860
But they wanted to make a """gritty""" """more realistic""" Star WARS movie

RLM shills need to go and stay go.

This is getting to /swco/ levels.

>>52984122

It wasnt particularly funny in the video, why is typing it out in all caps supposed to be funny here?

>>52983860
Vader has always made quips, you fucking meming nigger.
Or did you forget "I find your lack of faith.... disturbing." Or "Apology accepted"?

>>52984277
I REMEMBER WHEN DARTH VADER TURNED ON HIS RED LIGHTSABER AND USED THE FORCE

>>52984310
Yeah I do actually, it was fucking great.

>>52984333
DID YOU CLAP AT ANY OF THE THE NEW MOMENTS AND MEMORABLE CHARACTERS?

>>52984333
Not nearly as cool as Vaders intro in ANH.
Vader in the end of R1 was out of character fan-service.
Also, why didn't the empire just blow the fuck out of the ships that might have had the plans on it instead of boarding like fucktards? Why'd they nuke their own base and their uncompromised plans? None of the Empire's actions on Scarif make any fucking sense, it's just that they had to give the Death Star something to do and make it seem like Vader had a purpose in the movie.

>>52984310
Yeah and it was pretty great.

>>52984424
I agree blowing up scariff made no sense
But boarding did. You need to guarantee recovery of the plans.
Just blowing up the ship and saying, "yeah they are probably gone" isnt really good enough

>>52984424

>"Hey they mighve beamed those to one of the other ships that escaped, maybe we should check?"
>"Nah lets just blow it up."

Actually you're right, being retarded would be more in line with Imperial doctrine.

>>52984512
Assuming they had to board, why was Vader at the front of the attack, rather than sending in stormtroopers like in ANH. Did the empire change doctrines so dramatically in the hours between R1 and ANH?
Also, how do we take Leia's claim that the Tantive IV was on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan? Fucking Vader saw her at the battle of Scarif. Who the fuck is she trying to fool with that shit, now that we know it had to have been a total lie?
I just feel like the writers were to lazy to do continuity checks on really simple shit like that.

>>52984394
I didn't clap, but I liked it when they showed Cassian Andor kill an ally to preserve the integrity of the mission.

Also,
>I am with the force, the force is with me

>>52983916
Well, Han Solo popping out of nowhere was certainly unexpected, but it doesn't mean it was a good thing.

>>52984512
At least it did establish Tarkin as a gun-happy maniac, that goes beyond "was Alderaan a valid target".

>>52984590

Cant prove that its the same ship, and she IS a member of the senate - he couldnt prove she was aboard the ship when it left Scarif either, not like he saw her.
Hence, she can try the 'Lmao cant touch me' routine.

>>52984648
The end of r1 and intro to ANH are just a hyperspace jump apart. And even assuming they lost contact with the Tantive, its markings (if not space-IFF) would have ID'd it. You could absolutely prove Leia was at Scarif, because the Tantive didn't land or anything between R1 and ANH. There's not enough time in between R1 and ANH for Leia to pull the "can't touch me" shit. Her being a senator doesn't mean shit, the Imperial Senate was disbanded either before her capture or within hours thereof.

>>52984750

Do we know word-of-god that says it's literally jumping from Scarif straight to Tatooine?
Seems like it'd be more sensible to try to jump somewhere else so it cant be predicted. But if it's canonically a single jump fair enough - I'd been imagining it so far to be a series of jumps trying to elude the Imperials.

Either way, first thing you do when running from the imps would be turn off your space-iff.

Also for what its worth, if Tarkin has only just recieved notification, that means it's only just happened - which means Leia doesnt know she isnt a senator yet either.
Hence, it's still 'valid' as far as she knows to go 'cant touch me dimplomatic immunity'

>>52983783
TFA is the worst Star Wars movie ever made. Fuck off Kike Mike.

>>52984862
>Hence, it's still 'valid' as far as she knows to go 'cant touch me dimplomatic immunity'
Why didn't this shit come up so Vader could reply with "It's just been revoked!"

>>52984888
not as bad as R1

>>52984862
If it were a well-written movie without so much fanservice, they wouldn't have this problem

>>52984888
>not Attack of the Clones

>>52984915
>not Attack of the Clones
FUCKING THIS. AotC is the worst by so fucking much.

>>52984888
Not when AotC exists
I can sorta understand defending TPM, but AotC is just pure ass all the way through

>>52984913
Wrong.

>>52984915
I'd rather have a half ZZZZZZ film than a remake. Kys.

>>52984913
Wrong
>>52984915
At least AotC brought new and interesting things to the universe world building instead of being a blatant rehash with a sue mc.

>>52984957
>At least AotC brought new and interesting things to the universe world building instead of being a blatant rehash with a sue mc.
go watch AotC

Rogue 1 was fun. TFA was not.

>>52985006
This.