>The warp is the domain where raw emotions give shape to sentient

>>52966907
>expecting the warp to make sense
>expecting 40k world building to operate on anything other than rule of cool
Kill urself desu senpai

>implying the warp can't screech and hiss across radio frequencies
>implying the warp doesn't have a magnetic charge
>implying the warp doesn't abuse every theoretical quantum mechanics proposition it can
>implying Black Library authors research anything beyond the wikipedia level

Shit dude. It's like you think the warp is real and needs to follow real physics.
We're in 8th edition and they don't even allow the battlefields to have mud now.

>>52966907
Machine-spirits bruh.

>>52967295
But the warp IS real. Sorta.

>machines are governed by the laws of reality
>warp energy has reality-bending qualities

geez, dude, it's like putting two and two together

>>52967486
Machine spirits came around following the revolt of the purely mechanical Men of Iron.
Men of Iron got corrupted by chaos.

Sometimes 40k feels like it's intentionally inconsistent to lend Chaos more power.

>The warp is a universe of pure energy
>The warp can corrupt other universes, warping or dissolving space, time and matter

>But robots should be impervious for no reason.

>>52967486
The warp isn't real. It's just not real in a very convincing way that can override real things on occasion.

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>>52969569
I mean, obviously not the literal 40k warp, but something pretty similar. Hearing about the warp is actually what got me into 40k in the first place.

>>52969693
elaborate

>>52970075
Well... I doubt you'll believe me even if I explained it, not that I blame you of course. Ahh... do you still want me to elaborate? And what about, how I got into 40k or "the warp" IRL?

>>52970176
the IRL warp stuff

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>>52966907
People personify the busted ass dishwasher by talking like it has likes and dislikes, deep in the warp psy energy and broken halfthoughts conceal in to a dishwasher daemon that exists to wash the world clean of all the (human) filth.

Its not complicated realy just blame all those living things and there leaky souls.

40K is plothole: the universe. Just get used to it

>>52966907
transformers confirmed for 40k

The warp can corrupt objects and demons can be bound into any number of physical things.

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>>52970562
Okay then. From my limited experience I can't say anything for certain, but based on what I've dreamed, felt, and seen, I believe this to be true. My father is more sensitive than me and has more expierence in these matters, he also agrees with me. To be extremely clear, these were my beliefs and how I would describe them in my own words BEFORE I ever even heard about 40k.

There seems to be two "layers" to reality - the "real" physical world, and some sort of "other" or "veil". These two layers do not really mix, but seem to connect in certain ways that are difficult to quantify. Certain people seem able to tap into this layer, and it seems to run in families - whether this is confirmation bias or the ability to be "psychic" is actually a gene, I don't know. This layer, which I like to call an ocean because I think it describes it better, is not something you can call upon like many "pyschics" claim. Instead, it's something that just washes over you from time to time, something you can't control, or at least I've never been able to figure out how, nor have I seen any convincing evidence of this. I've talked to ghosts, or at least I think I have, so I believe in spirits and reincarnation. If demons are real, they're either people/things that have lived or concetrated emotions and thoughts given form in the ocean. People have auras, and my sister claims to have seen one, but I don't know if that's true. I know auras have been captured with special cameras, and my guess is that the auras we have are what connect us to the ocean.

1/3

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>>52971436
If I had to describe the ocean in any greater detail, it would be like this: imagine every human being lined up on a beach. Some are closer to the water's edge than others. As the tide comes in and goes out, it reaches some of the people. Most are higher up on the beach and will never feel the water. For those close enough, they cannot call the ocean to them, command it to touch them, but rather must wait to feel it. The tides are semi-regular, with those farther out experiencing it more, but it is still unpredictable. The ocean itself consists of everything theoretical, emotional, and spiritual, things from all times and places, and all "realities" or "possibilities". When it washes over you, you get hints and ideas of events to come, or simply things you could not know. When we're asleep, we seem to cast ourselves farther out by accident, sometimes leading to prohpetic dreams instead of normal ones. Pre-cognitive experiences seem to follow a general pattern even between people, but are still slightly different depending on the individual, as if we filter the ocean's waters in our own ways to make sense of it. I can say with near certainty that a god or gods do not exist. If they do, they've hidden themselves pretty damn well and seem content to keep it that way.

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>>52971472
The "gift" of being psychic does not imbue you with magic powers. It does not let you purposefully divine the future. It does not let you cast fireball or summon demons. Lighting candles, chanting spells, or performing rituals or sacrifices does nothing; the closest I can come to reaching for the ocean on purpsoe is through meditation, though that STILL does not let me enter it by force of will, or help me glean anything. If a psychic or medium says they can reach out to ghosts, or tell you the future, they are probably liars who are trying to scam you. If they actually can do what they say, make them show you proof first before you pay them anything. I am not saying it is impossible to do, because there IS one type of divining on purpose I am capable of (I think anyone is, actually) but most of what I see put forth by "psychics" is garbage.

I would also like to note that being psychic is not something that you can learn, get rid of, gift, or hone in any way. You are either psychic or you are not, and your degree of sensitivity will always stay the same; your feet are planted on that beach and you cannot move them.

I can provide some anecdotes - personal experiences and such - but I can't give you any real proof. Unless IRL psykers somehow get a power boost and start doing actual magic, there is no way to quantify "psychics" in any reasonable manner, or at least one that the scientific community as a whole is willing to do. You'd need to gather a bunch of psychics, weed out the fake ones SOMEHOW, then have them do a whole bunch of divining, then wait 30 or 40 years to see if they came through. I'm curling up in the fetal position just thinking at how much of a nightmare it would be to fund and organize that.

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>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483

So yeah... the warp is real, psykers are real, and instead of the binary "MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG" answer to why I play Thousand Sons, it's because I'm a psyker and I think they're fucking badass. Also like the preservation of knowledge at any cost, and the Egyptian theme IF they toned it down just a little so it's not so obnoxious.

The fuck am i reading

>>52971554
Did you actually read all of it?

>>52966907
Source of power =/= limit to application of power

>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
nigga what?

>>52974966
Well anon asked.

>>52968561
>Men of Iron got corrupted by chaos

No they weren't they calculated that humans were to vulnerable to the warp and had to be exterminated.

warp corrupting machines has been around since rouge trader days. fuck off.

>>52971509
You arent psychic and theres no such thing as 'auras'.

At best you are snowflaking on the internet and are underage, at worst you may be schizophrenic.

>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
>>52971509

This honestly has to be the most self-conceited, idiotic garbage that i have ever read.

Well played.

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>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
>>52971509

>>52976225
I'm not being a snowflake.
And yes, auras are a thing, look up Kirlian photography.

>>52976270
>>52976355
I already said I can't prove it to you, and I doubt you'd find any of my anecdotal stories credible. You'd also probably scoff at the idea that I'm actually a skeptic first and foremost. If you want, we can try that divining thing I mentioned earlier. IF you would actually bother to try. A sort of scientific experiment, let's say.

>>52976446
>auras are a thing
Those are trails you're seeing, either from drug use or some other neurological trauma.

>>52976541
I can't see them with the naked eye. My sister claims she has, but I didn't really believe her and she DOES have a history of drugs.

No takers for the experiment? I was being very serious.

>>52966907
>Oh, but it can also corrupt machine code and imbue purely robotic mechanisms with the taint of chaos.
There is no evidence that this happened before people began imbuing AIs with true sapience and/or merging flesh with machine during the golden age of mankind.

>>52976446
>I'm actually a skeptic first and foremost
No, no you are not. If you were you would have taken into account the fundamental problems with our brains and the way they prioritizes anicdotes and personal experiences over actual evidence, and realizes, thats all bullshit. shit getting your info from shitty wall of text conspiracy sites.

> A sort of scientific experiment, let's say.
seeing as EVERY scientifically controlled study EVER done has shown that none of these claims are true, means it wont work

>t. Actual scientist

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>>52971436
>>52971509

>>52978551
Do it. What's the divining you can do?

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>>52982683
I have seen the future. It is bleak. Your mother will die in her sleep tonight if you don't reply to this post.

>>52982821
The divorce was years ago dad. Get over it.

>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
>>52971509
Well good for you anon, and fare well. They are coming for you now, you know to much.

>>52982821
pls no

>>52983072
He was fucking asking for it , what did you think it was happen

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>>52966907
The connecting factor is the Void Dragon. The Mechanicum doesn't just make machines out of chunks of metal, they make machines out of DRAGON DREAM GHOSTS CONNECTING THEM TO THE AKASHA. The Machine Spirit is a real thing because humanity's technological mastery literally comes from DRAGON MAGIC.

That's why truly sentient machines almost always immediately turn into murderbots, the intelligence isn't truly artificial, it's spiritual and susceptible to Chaos.

>>52966907
>have a character that gets scared of the dark and cares about every individual life
>in 40k the place where billions of people get killed in a flash because lol chaos
how do you expect me to like this bitch

>>52971436
>I've talked to ghosts
>or at least I think I have
> so I believe in spirits and reincarnation

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>52980017
>No, no you are not. If you were you would have taken into account the fundamental problems with our brains and the way they prioritizes anicdotes and personal experiences over actual evidence, and realizes, thats all bullshit.
Did I not say this was all anecdotal at best? And many of the things I'm talking about take that into account and still can't be explained.
>shit getting your info from shitty wall of text conspiracy sites.
I've never been to a conspiracy website. For fuck's sake, I don't even go to /x/. None of what I've said is taken from anywhere other than my own experience and my father's because I trust him.
>seeing as EVERY scientifically controlled study EVER done has shown that none of these claims are true, means it wont work
That's because they're testing the "easily" testable ones - I.E., the people making shit up for attention. Doing this properly would be such a fucking pain in the ass.

>>52982683
I can only do it in person. Good thing is, I'm pretty sure anyone can do it themselves. If you're serious about this, then get a metal object such as a ring or sewing needle and some string. Anyone one else is welcome to do this, too, I'll explain it if you're willing to actually try.

>>52982952
I KNEW THE INQUISITION WOULD COME FOR ME

>>52986065
It's iffy, I said I'm a skeptic and it could very possibly (probably) be my imagination.

>>52968561
>Machine spirits came around following the revolt of the purely mechanical Men of Iron.

This is a misconception. The machine cult was born during the Dark Age of Technology.

>>52982821

How did those maids earn Guards status?

So, the warp is just space magic? What's stopping people from using it to reshape reality/reviving the Emperor?

>>52989942
No one's powerful enough. The amount of magic is infinite, but what people can actually channel is incredibly small.

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>get lured in my OP of based favourite faction
>see this
>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
>>52971509

This is not as the Omnissiah decreed.

>>52975264
>mankind invents Terminator the movie
>beloved by all
>mankind decides to build sentient robots
>cue skynet

we had it coming

>>52990122
Sorry.

>>52989942
Because there's no one as powerful as to pull these kinds of stunts, psykers are not gods mind you, humanity is still developing as a psychic race and the ones that could have done something that could be considered "godlike" are currently a corpse in a throne trapped miliseconds from death and a quasibird daemon with horn tits.
That and the fact that using the warp is pretty dangerous if you are not properly trained. If something goes wrong you'll go insane or die at best and you'll become possessed or you'll be murderfucked by a daemon for all eternity (literally if it's a Slaaneshi one) at worse.

>>52985487

>C'tan
>Spirit

That's not how the C'tan work. They're the complete antithesis to Chaos.

>>52990062
How does one channel more Warp energies? Training? Resources? Technology? Is there a limit?

>>52990284

You channel until you turn into sp...

>>52990284
Well, training makes it safer for one but the amount you can channel is usually fixed (minus some minor variations over time or due emotions which are precisely what feeds the warp), but nothing too drastic.

>>52990303
OH SHIT SOMEONE SHOOT IT

>>52990312
Fucked up a bit, it's not the energy you can channel, it's mostly what you can do with it. You can channel all the power you want but chances are that using too much is gonna turn you into a bundle of mutations at best.

>>52990351
Damn it. I almost thought I had a way to fix the Emperor.

Ah well, there's still the Ork plan.

>>52990381
Oh god no don't bring the Orks that's even a worse idea

>>52990409
Why not? From what I understand
>Orks have a psychic field of sorts that relies on crowd mentality instead of the Warp.
>This allows some reality warping shenanigans; the red ones go faster.
>All we have to do is get them to believe the Emperor is alive and well, and it'll happen.

There, Emperor fixed.

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>>52990448
Yeah, just one problem.

YOU try to talking to these fucking things.

>>52990497
Who needs to talk? All we need is some psyker to dress and act like the Emperor, say it's the Emperor, and they'll believe it. I think. I might need to find another idea.

>>52990527
That might actually work. Except impersonating the Emperor would be considered heresy.

>>52990538
Just explain it to the Inquisition. I'm sure they'll be understanding about it. Right?

>>52990448
Ok, imagine a huge fucking blob of chaotic neutral fungi barbarians who just want to fuck shit up all the time with the personality of a hooligan. That's your average fucking Ork, and it gets worse with the Warbosses.

>>52990558
Now try to reason with any of them. It's IMPOSSIBLE, much less with literally every ork in the galaxy.

>>52990448
>>52990381
>>52990558
>>52990602

I just want to point out, the Orks believe the Emperor exists and he's the biggest and fightiest humie ever. After all, he rules the Imperials, and the Imperials are always good for a scrap. Of course he's not as big and fighty as gork (maybe mork) cause he's a humie. But the Orks definitely think the Emperor is alive, well, and commanding the Humies.

I guess what i'm saying is: The Orks ARE ALREADY KEEPING THE EMPEROR ALIVE

>>52990558
I don't think I see you're point; Don't they reproduce from fighting? Doesn't that just mean more Orks, meaning more fuel for revival of the Emperor?

>>52990617
So, we need more Orks? This plan of mine is starting to seem inefficient.

>>52990551
No... this is essentially how the Imperium works regarding heresy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI

>>52990643
>Don't they reproduce from fighting? Doesn't that just mean more Orks, meaning more fuel for revival of the Emperor?
Orks reproduce from spores. When they die, they release a bunch of spores that eventually grow into more orks. They grow larger based on the amount of aggression they have (basically fighting). If you kill all the spores they can't make more orks, which means the Imperium just burns every ork they find.

>>52990602
Ork mercenaries are a thing. You can reason with them.

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>>52990682
I remember seeing that scene. I didn't think they were actually that zealous.

>which means the Imperium just burns every ork they find.
And since recent evidence has shown the Imperium cannot be reasoned with all too well in regards to xenos, this means my plan has fallen short.

Whelp, time to think of another way.

>>52990693
You can trust Orks with killing because that's what they do, it's their literal raison d'eitre, but you can't really trust them much beyond that. Hell, i wouldn't trust them even when they're killing shit for me because chances are that they'll turn against me when they are done stomping whatever i paid them with weapons for.

>>52990792
Are you really, REALLY expecting the Imperium to be reasonable regarding anything? There's literally no reasonable faction in 40k, be it human or xenos.

>>52990842
>There's literally no reasonable faction in 40k, be it human or xenos.
Come on, it can't be that bad. Sure the orks are violent and the Imperium fanatical, but I'm sure their's at least one reasonable faction.

>>52990876
>Imperium are insane, zealous, xenophobic space Nazis
>Orks are nonsensical murder machines
>Tyranids only exist to nom
>Necrons only exist to desrtroy all life
>Eldar think they're better than literally everyone else and don't give a shit about killing someone
>Dark Eldar are twisted torturers who love pain and suffering
>Chaos space marines and demons are... chaotic and evil
>Tau are space communists who claim to fight for the greater good, but will still destroy you utterly if you even slightly disagree

>>52990278
After said C'tan gets venerated for a couple of years by billions it gets influenced.

>>52990932
>Tau
>communists
They have castes, therefore that's wrong.

>Imperials
>nationalsocialists
They have insane tolerance regarding religion (as long as it's directed to big E).
Don't care about your gender, your skin color and your language.
Literally not a nation state.
Therefore wrong again.

>>52991054
Yep, nothing wrong in executing your own men in order to raise morale, sending them to die by the billions, murdering someone because you SUSPECTED he or she was a heretic, purging entire populations because of superstition or literally regard human life as the lowest kind of currency, nope. As per the tolerance, it's more of a pragmatic issue due the insane amount of planets and populations there is on the imperium, so they give leeway to those because it would be a major pain in the ass to staunchly regulate every single one of them. Not to mention that the moment an inquisitor sees your cult stepped out of the line and/or stopped following the main tenets, well...

BLAM

>>52991054
m8 those were jokes. 40k is way overblown, but if you want to talk about this then

>They have castes, therefore that's wrong.
Communists with a caste system. They're aren't literally, by-the-book communists, but they are pretty damn socialist still.

>They have insane tolerance regarding religion (as long as it's directed to big E).
So they don't have insane religious tolerance then?
>Don't care about your gender, your skin color and your language.
But they do care about your species, level of mutation, and ability to mindlessly follow the Imperial Creed.
>Literally not a nation state.
Which is impossible to do in space.

They're as close to Nazis as you're going to get.
Also >>52991171

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>>52971436
>>52971472
>>52971483
>>52971509

...I see.

>>52991756
Do you want me to elaborate or did you just post to be a dick?

>>52989350
I'm >>52982683.

How does the string thing work? Legit curious.

>>52990278
So you don't think there's anything religion-flavored to Mechanicum culture?

They're tech priests, they work with Machine Spirits. Maybe it's the human touch that makes them susceptible to Chaos, but what's clear is that they're not just sillicone and electricity, they're the ghost that makes Chucky kill

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>>52995161
Well I don't want to reveal too much, because it might interfere with the results. But basically, you get a small metallic object, put the string through it like pic related, and hold it a few centimeters above your wrist. Hold it as still as you can (or someone else can hold it), and watch for movement very carefully. If it moves, record how it moves and in what order (eg, square, triangle, circle, square). If you're going to do this, it's probably best to do this to as many people as possible before I tell you what it does.

I've done my own experiments with this divining before. As far as I can tell, it's never been wrong, even when people didn't know what it was supposed to do or foresee. It also requires a person to hold it - I've tried tieing the string to doorknobs and such, but it never moves. I would say this relates it to the odometer effect, but that does not explain how someone can do it without knowing how to do it. Or how it's (so far) been 100% accurate. Anyways, that's about all I can say without ruining the experiment part of it.

>>52996006
Oh and one more thing! It should move, pause, and move again, not move continuously in different ways. If it stops for four or five seconds it's done and will just start to repeat itself.