Why aren't we talking about this? "Modiphius Entertainment,

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>>52927216
Because it's based on BethFailout? Here's a spoiler for you it's shit

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Too bad it's based on fallout 4, I would have loved to play NCR rangers

>>52927238
Most problems fallout 4 had don't translate to a tabletop wargame tho.
Basically only the powerarmor thing.

>>52927216
We did talk about this, we had a thread hundreds of posts long talking about it.

I'm starting to believe the people who make accusations of forced viral marketing campaigns.

>>52927216

1. They haven't released rules yet. If it doesn't play for shit, no real audience will emerge, the miniatures will just gather dust in people's cupboards.

2. They absolutely, 100% need to go beyond Fallout 4 for an engaged player base. New Vegas is a gold mine, 1 & 2 are bare minimum to be included.

3. How much do these miniatures cost? GWS screws this up and survives only because of the sunk cost fallacy, no other product line can price their miniatures like that and survive.

>>52927216
If it doesn't suck I might play Minutemen, they're the only cool looking group in F4 besides the shit that was in the og (and ever then some of the re-designs make the og content shit)

>>52927216
Fallout is garbage-tier meme-setting, so this game is shit. Also, literally who ("Modiphius Entertainment") probably cannot into good rules.

>>52927783
Honestly surprised this wasn't the first post.

>>52927216
>Settlements will include buildings, defenses and resources that impact the crew’s army list and abilities in the wasteland
this intrigues me. I always liked the concept of a base directly affecting it's inhabitants. even if it's just another way to build a force.

>>52927216
The kickstarter is showing up this summer. I'll probably throw some money at it; at worst, themed TNT army.

>>52927801
I was busy, my fault.

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>>52927560
this, this and this

here have a medal

>Fallout
>only mentions fallout 4 stuff
>shooting yourself this much in the foot

>>52927560
They might not be able to do New Vegas stuff (people seem to forget Bethesda didn't make it). Depends on the Bethesda/Obsidian licensing agreement.

>>52928127
true but 1,2,3 still good to go i'd hope unless bethesda says no and if that was the case i'd turn down the whole thing because fallout 4 is the weakest of them all and making a thematic warband game out of that is not gonna work

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>their forum is asking for suggestions

>we're still in the early stages of design, so a lot of decisions haven't been made yet.
>posted 1 day ago

>>52928204
well maybe we can help them and try to make it good?

any ideas

>>52927216
If it was based on old Fallout or at least NV then I would be excited and probably even consider getting into it, but FO4 as a main source? Come the fuck on.

>>52928255
this

>>52928233
Drop this shitty meme-setting.

{intelligence 4} So, these is some sort of boardgame, that uses plastic figurines, am i right?

>>52928309
if you dont like it then leave or ignore it, me personnaly enjo the fallout setting, i never bought fo4 because obious resons but i like the setting

Most of fallout 4s problems don't translate to tabletop games, most issues are in the roleplaying part and those don't matter in a wargame.

>>52928336
Is it the 'in' thing to shit on Fallout 4? What was so fucking bad about it? I thought it was a decent open world game.

>>52928436
the story was lacking from what i know.
the level system is inferior and simplified
the combat is better so thats good
the dialogue system is fucked'
voiced main character is bad for releplaying
no karma system its HARD to be evil
some complained about the graphics being not on par etc but i dont care much about that.

and there where some smal changed that makes it "death by one thousand cuts"

seems to be more focus on base building then rpg elements, minutemen exists to make the game longer by having you do repetetive shit

>>52928436
mostly because it's cut down on the roleplaying part a lot and had lore hickups.
If I'd rank the shooter-rpg fallout games It'd be like this:
NV
4
3

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>>52928478
Basically every fallout story was lacking tho.

>>52928478
>>52928436
dont get me wron tho i does get a lot of hate because its "in" but its not all unwarrented it does come from legit bad game design (for a fallout game RPG etc)

i'll buy it one sale for 5-10$

>>52928504
Kind of, but come on, Fallout 4's one had more holes in it than a fucking Gatling victim. You would have to be a moron to not realise it didn't make fucking sense.

>>52928504
i did enjoy fallout 1s strory, and new vegas

3 is kinda like 1 and 2 mixed or something

4 is just heard was shit but i think >>52928482
said is correct, lore hicups.

>>52927783
I mean, it wouldn't make much of a novel, but it's actually pretty perfect for a tabletop game. Established factions, lots of unique tech, and a cool aesthetic... that's pretty much exactly what you want.

Tabletop games often don't benefit from their fluff being too deep. It's just there to give a bit of context, really. A bit of meme and cliche can actually be super helpful when it comes to selling minis and getting people into a new game. A lot of veteran's first buys in a new range are along the lines of "I can use that to convert X in this other game I play". Likewise, for newbie's, it makes it faster to explain what's going on.

>>52927216
>Why aren't we talking about this?
As for this, I think it comes down to "Oh, hey, look, ANOTHER 30mm skirmish game. How quaint."

>>52928633
>established factions
Old Fallouts had a lot more of them and the only ones that are in the new ones but weren't in old are Minutemen, Railroad and the Institute Two former of which aren't really suitable for anything more than small skirmishes.

>>52928675
TBF I haven't played the new one. But that's actually fine for a skirmisher. A lot of its competitors have the factions as "gangs" or "teams"... it works. Plus I'm sure they'll expand it to include more of the franchise.

>>52927216
1) It's shit
2) It's based on Bethesda's take on Fallout
3) It's 3rd thread about it in a row, so maybe stop fucking shilling, you even repost the same fucking shit with the same fucking commentary, like those >>52927230 >>52927242

>>52928336
>personnaly enjo the fallout setting
>That's why I like game based on FO4
Neck yourself

>>52928807
you neck yourself
you bring nothing of value to this thread than your own opinions which boild down to "i dont like it, dont talk about it"

why are you still here dont you have a 40k thread to rant in

>>52928633
>Established factions
Most of wich are retarded shit.
>unique tech
>unique
Kek.
>cool aesthetic
No, Fallout has meme aesthetic.

>>52928877
>Oblivion baby defending his first "rpg".

>>52927242
They're using the retarded looking pipe guns from Falloff Duty 4. Yay!

Fallout 4 is shit

>>52929198
Most of Fallout 3 weapons were shit also. Well ,just like fallout 3.

>>52927216
ITT /v/ tier memers

>>52927502
I searched the catalogue and the first page of the archive and didn't find anything

>>52929223
{Perception 5} So, you, like, huge Bethesda fanboy.

>>52927216
It could be the best Table Top Skirmish Game of the century, and /tg/ would still despise it because it's based on Fallout and thus normie garbage.

I personally might give it a try, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>52928521
pretty sure most, if not all, plot holes can be filled in with "the Institute is made up of a bunch of scientists doing their own thing with no unified goal beyond "Science!" for it's own sake or something to that effect".

It's just that it isn't as obvious an answer as when the Think Tank does it.

>>52929282
I bet, it wont be even mediocre (well, gameplay-wise), stupid bethesda-shit-eater.

>>52929240
Doesn't matter. This thread basically repeated everything that was said before.

>>52823949

>>52928792
>It's based on Bethesda's take on Fallout
easily the worst part

>>52929457
[Intelligence 1] Why is that a bad thing? Stop hating on Bethesda!! Go back to your Obsidian that can't release any bug free games lol xdxD

>>52927230
Emm, i dont like this model at all. I guess bethesda autist gonna instabye everything related to memeout.

>>52927783
I see the salt filters over at No Mutants Allowed are overflowing again.

>>52929188
what every floats you boat

fallout 4 bad game but i still enjo the setting is that so hard to understand?

dark souls 1 awesome, dark souls 2 not on par but it dident ruin the setting for me

star wars cool movie still wont let the prequals ruin them

the hobbit (book) enjoyable the movies tho not so much still the world of tolkien is still great

must be hard being a half-ogre with 1 int

>>52929520
>that post
>must be hard being a half-ogre with 1 int
Yep.

>>52928478
There are only 6 or 7 Minutemen quests only

The other Minutemen quests are to reclaim settlements which are purely optional. There are like 30 of these.

you're complaining that it's repetitive, because you are doing the repetitive XP farming missions.

>>52928001
It kinda sounds like Necromunda.

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>>52928436
It wasn't a redone, reworked rehashed rehash based on Fallout 2 using the same mechanics with the same story in the same locations in the same time frame and the same factions doing the same thing for the same reasons to tell the same story with reskinned characters for the umpteenth time.

In short, it wasn't a No Mutants Allowed patch of Fallout 1 having the character bemoan the cruelty of humanity while squatting in burnt out ruins and trying to not shit himself to death while grubbing in radioactive mud for 10mm ammo, so it "wasn't a real Fallout game."

Honestly, were I in charge at Bethesda, I'd market a "Fallout Renewal" game package. Simply a repackaged Fallout 2 for Windows 10, in a box with new art, a complementary set of rose-tinted glasses, and a sixty dollar price tag. Then laugh all the way to the bank.

>>52928436
It's a solid 7/10.

The graphics are plain, and some of the factions are nonsense.

>>52927230
Wow. Even if the game itself isn't really my cup of tea (I'm not a minis wargamer, nowhere near enough free time) I may have to grab that fig and maybe a couple others for general tabletop use. That T60 looks awesome.

>>52927230
>>52927242
are these even real or are they just 3D renders?

>>52928478
...so you didnt even play it lol

your opinion is literally invalid on the subject

>>52927216
It's like fucking Fallout Monopoly.
Just slapped on to make more money. Nobody gives a shit.
>iconic scenery and settlement building
>red rocket
>sanctuary hills
>le wacky 50's america which didn't progress culturally in 170 years.

>>52929645
Those look like 3D renders to me but that level of detail is achievable so I wouldnt worry about it.

>>52929589

Sounds better than the garbage they put out now, you should send them that as a suggestion.

Though maybe they would need to add a dialogue wheel and cut down the dialogue options to Paragon/Neutral/Renegade first.

>>52928323
SHIT KID YOU'RE VERY SMART, INDEED IT'S A BOARD GAME WITH FIGURINES!

>>52929679

2077 - 1950 =! 170

>>52928436
uses ancient engine, shooting is worse than 15 years ago, no roles to play other than, hibernatus parent looking for his child who was a soldier or his lawyer spouse.

If it's infinity level sculpts in metal I'm so fucking on board.

if it's zombicide 1 piece hard plastic no detail shit, then fuck off

>>52929559
yea your actually right

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>>52929709

>shooting is worse than 15 years ago,

>>52929699
>+40 exp

>>52929728
Return to castle wolfenstein, underage pleb.

>>52929717
>if it's zombicide 1 piece hard plastic no detail shit, then fuck off
This. Enjoy, bethesda fanboy.

>>52929654
never claimed i did i just posted what i have heard and what i have read, take or leave it

Post in their forums that you want to see the original fallout shit. There's a lot of feedback asking for the inclusion of the earlier games and settings already, though it's probably going to be a cash grab from Bethesdrones, it's still worth a shot.

>>52929679
Well it was suppose to be based on a lot of 80's sci fi, such as the G11 and robots looking like they were from Judge Dredd.

>>52929751

>implying there's anything you can say to make your /v/ tier dogshit opinion look less retarded

>>52929777
Aw, dammit.

Containment failed on the NMA exclusion zone again. I'll grab the delousing spay.

Well even though there's no sign of Legion or NCR, I might be able to use my old--
>32mm
Ah fuck you.

I predict the project will be cancelled when they encounter nma autists and recieve their first death threats.
These dumb fanatical losers have been attacking anything not f1 for two decades.

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>>52929777
None of whiners in this thread will try. That's not what they're here for.

>>52929777
i agree with this, i have been tryong to defend the idea of a fallout schrimis because the setting is kinda cool but its probobly a cash grab all we can do is wait and see.

but the thread as derail into talking about how shit fo4 is which pretty much everyone agrees on, then one mim kid who spouts that its all pointless.

now when i think about, why am i even here, nothing of valuve has been gained...

im /out/

>>52929810
I predict (and hope for) aliens vs predator boardgame fate.

>>52929801
>i literally eat shit and how no idea how media works in the age of interactivity
(you)

>>52929756
this seems personal. You really despise them, you really can't seem to seperate the developer, and a miniature game yet to come out.

did a developer molest you, or not hire you?

>>52929810
It's not like the same group of loons have been at it all this while-- New Vegas added a few new waves of contrarians to the mix.

>>52929511
NMA were right.

>>52929777
That worked great after bethesda acquired Fallout license, didn't it?
https://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/bitstream/handle/1808/4126/umi-ku-2515_1.pdf

>>52929844
Well, they just made a bunch of shitty samey games, that normies find "fun". Thats all.

>>52929844
they broke his heart

>>52929853
I honestly enjoyed New Vegas more than the original games, probably because the combat sections didn't boil down to lol eyecrit. Actually New Vegas is probably my favorite sandbox game on the market.

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>mfw Fallout 4 was was actually better than Fallout 3 in every single respect (except for a voiced MC), but all these /v/irgins can't even see that through their rose tinted glasses

>>52929844
He's just another screeching NMA faggot, bitching about how low resolution isometric games aren't made anymore.

>>52929871
>Shit a was better than shit b

>>52929853
I actually had my first nma experience before 4chan existed.
They are not even joking the same guy(s). They may have sucked some people into their cult of the one true fallout but there seems to be at least a few hardcore nutjobs that have dedicated the past 20 years to trolling anyone who likes anything but f1

>>52929857
Gamers are fucking pushovers and eat shit, tv and cartoon autists literally boycott and shout when writers do something that's not appealing to the established fanbase in an attempt to "reach out to the bigger audience".

>>52927216
>a publisher of bad games nobody cares about is making a wargame based on a mediocre video game, the setting of which doesn't at all translate to a wargame.
Why would we care about this again?

>>52929863
These are the miniature guys, not Bethesda, maybe they don't have their heads up their asses.

>>52929892

>I can't think of anything clever to say, but I don't like what was said, so I'll post a tangentially related greentext

>>52929905
because it's cool

>>52929905

Because it gives the /v/irgins something to shitpost about

Also I have an infinitely more important question than anything asked so far:

Are they ever going to release a TES tabletop game? I need Ordinators.

>>52929870
I actually found New Vegas to be extremely boring. Putting aside how a horde of salvers and rapists in football pads and swinging machetes are somehow a threat to men with guns, everything was so damned empty. Everything. The player spends more time wandering around a gray and tan dead zone than they do actually doing anything. Add in the hit-or-miss of the DLC and New Vegas just sort of blends together into a matte brown mass of missed opportunities and a single playthrough.

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>>52929911
MAthematically unlikely

>Fallout after Tactics

>>52929953
>The desert is so empty and boring
See real life

>How can a massive army of brainwashed slaves stand against a technologically superior but overextended country with a dysfunctional government
See WW2 eastern front

>You have to go through pointless trips for long distances with nothing to do
See everyday life

If you actually bothered to look into things, there are unique quests up the wazoo in every location. The map is emptier because 1. it's a fucking desert and 2. because people with brains try not to live 50 meters away from camps of raiders and mutants like in FO3 and 4.

>>52928436
Basically >>52929595. Gripers gonna gripe.

My biggest complaint with NV was that it just felt like more Fallout 3, without really having its own identity. Which is fine, because I loved Fallout 3, but there you are. Basically, NV could have been released as a large F3 expansion and it would have changed literally nothing.

>>52930047

So the game is only enjoyable for people as autistic as you.
Cool. Explains why 4chan likes it so much.

>>52930067
You're welcome to chug the shit Bethesda keeps selling you, if all you're looking for is a dumb shooter with radiation.

>>52930079
not him but fallout 4 did radiation better than all previous games. that's a fact.

>>52929171
Sure, Anon. Fallout's style and fluff are so much stupider than all the other tabletop sci-fi / fantasy / steampunk / whatever games out there.

Fluff for a tabletop game exists to provide lists of things, and motivations for those things to be pointed at each other - lists of factions, lists of units, lists of weapons, etc. Everything else is superfluous. Fallout land fills that need that just fine. It's not high art, but neither are its competition.

>>52930113
>Radiation reduces your max hp
>That is literally it

Please be bait, nobody can be this retarded.

>>52929871
>mfw Fallout 4 was was actually better than Fallout 3 in every single respect
except, you know, actually roleplaying
which kind of matters in a roleplaying game

>>52930113
>fallout 4 did radiation better than all previous games
>wow your max HP is reduced by a number proportional to irradiation level.
Wanna know how i know you never played the originals?

>>52929953
The writing was nice, but yes the item per square foot density was less than Fallout 3. This did not bother me due to the number of quests, and there was enough shit lying around to entertain me. The only thing I disliked was that they never had the time to actually do anything with the Legion. They have like 2 quests compared to NCR holy fuck.

Why did you enjoy Fallout 3? I found the writing physically painful enough to avoid all settlements, and it felt lazy. I mean
>hey look, super mutants are back!
>and DC is a desert now
>also Enclave and all the other factions you like!
>find the water chip before time runs out
Then they spent a couple hours scattering skeletons and ammo boxes around the world map and called it a day. As for the game mechanics, they're by and large unpolished. Enemies take exactly twice as long to kill as they should, perks do nothing (except Comprehension), and with Comprehension you can max out the skills, which do matter, with no effort.

I only played it for about 50 hours, which I consider insufficient for a full review, but it did not hold my interest like New Vegas has. New Vegas is largely Fallout 3 but if I liked it.

>>52930133
better than the other games where I can just ignore it till I'm almost dead from radiation poisoning since it doesn't make a difference

>>52930137
sure

>>52928436
Dumb plot, nonsensical factions, boring environment and a severe lack of weapon variety.

You have fun shooting a bunch of stuff only to be interupted by people telling you to do nonsense, like the "good guys" who want you to mass murder scientists for building a nuclear reactor.

>>52930135
Fallout 1: No matter what you may think, your character is always a Vault Dweller sent out to find a water chip.
Fallout 2: No matter what you think, you character is always a tribal out searching for some prewar tech to save your tribe.
Fallout Tactics: No matter what you may think, your character is always a local tithed to the Brotherhood for training in return for protection.
Fallout 3: No matter what you may think, your character is always a 19 year old kid chased out of his or her home and searching for your father.
Fallout 4: No matter what you may htink, your character is always a prewar Vault survivor that saw your spouse murdered and your son taken, you emerge from the Vault on a mission to find him.

I'm seeing two things. One is a trend in all Fallout games, the other is the general stupidity of people complaining about Fallout games.

>>52930203
Don't forget !The good guys' goal is to preserve all advanced technology to ensure a nuclear catastrophe never happens again, but they also ahve a giant robot which kicks nuclear bombs like footballs, and in order to preserve advanced technology they nuke the entirety of the institute

>>52930204

You would have a point, if the Fallout 4 PC ever developed beyond that or had a personality that the player could mold that doesn't fit into either sarcastic or only mildly sarcastic.

>>52929717
>If the minis are awesome, then the minis will be awesome
>If the minis suck, then the minis are gonna suck
Indeed.

>>52928436
They cut a lot of what made the dialogue and leveling systems in the previous games good. It's basically impossible to roleplay your character properly because of this.

Also the story just sucks. Fallout 3 at least had the excuse of incorporating the cliches for the first time in the series, Fallout 4 has no excuse for being as trite as it is.

As someone who played F1 on release and have been a fan since. New Vegas and F4 were the best.
This is an opinion untainted by nma cancer.

>>52930204
the difference is in fallout 4 you only get 4 responses to anything, and the answer is always "yeah sure i'll do that" or "i'll do it later"
see: the beginning quest in the museum with the minutemen
even if you say you won't help them, the quest still advances as if you had agreed to their plan

>>52930263
Fallout 4 is certainly a generally better game than 3, but it's not without its massive, glaring faults.

>>52930204
Didn't mention NV because the courier can be literally anyone? Didn't fit into your narrative?

Also that was not the point, in the other games you can at least shape your own character throughout dialogue and actions. In fallout 4 you can say "yes" to people. You can now go and be stupid somewhere else.

>>52930348
He probably didn't mention NV because it wasn't made by Bethesda.

>>52930372
Neither were 1, 2, or Tactics.

>>52930372
Neither was 1, 2 and tictacs

What's the best post apocalyptic wargame that's already out there?
I know of 'This is not a test' but only have the demo rules, can someone point me to a free pdf or something he likes more?

If the game's shit I can at least still play something good with fallout minis

>>52930204
Real Life: No matter what you may think, your character is always an anon shitposting on 4chan ignoring how the choices the character make, not the origin, is what defines them.

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>>52930348
KEK thats a shutdown and a half

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>>52930425
Afterglow is pretty good.

>>52930394
No shit. They were made by the then current owner of the IP.

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>>52930530
>no shit
>>52930372
but you dident mention that in your post???

>>52930372
Actually, I didn't mention Vegas because I simply forgot about it. It was that boring for me, and more or less just blends into Fallout 3.

>>52929296
>plot holes can be filled in with "the Institute is made up of a bunch of scientists doing their own thing with no unified goal beyond "
That like plugging up a hole in the wall by whacking with a hammer.

>>52930067
>Autistic
If you don't have a counter-argument just shut up or can't make up a coherent point, just shut up.

>>52930186
It reduces SPECIAL and in turn reduces skillpoints that affects the gameplay from healing to damage.
You can't ignore it, unless you played with tgm most of the time.

>>52927216
Not looking for another wargame.
Being done by the guys who made infinity seems more like a negative than a plus.

If the minis are cool and cheap, I might grab them though. Post apocalyptic terrain might be cool too.

>>52929188
>I hate it so it's shit and you're having the wrong kind of fun.

>>52929457
you mean the only part that realizes that there's more to america than just california & nevada

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>>52929953
Actually it was less empty than Fallout 3, given how it had a shit ton more quests and more locations in a more compact map.

If you spend your time wandering emptiness in Fallout New Vegas, it's because you chose to wander around a racing course or a dried up lake, not because of the game.

Also Legion does carry guns.

>>52929589
I have never seen a more butthurt /v/ poster on here before, way to go.

>>52930747
>what is Fallout tactics
>implying Bethesda has ever left the East Coast

>>52930791
is tactics even canon?

and given that the east coast was more fucked than the west coast i wouldn't mind more games set there

how many games can you really do in west coast when it's essentially rebuilt as of new vegas?

>>52927216
So... the Tabletop skirmish game they released alongside Fallout: Tactics doesn't count as a tabletop minis game?

>>52930873
Important events in Fallout Tactics are considered canon, according to Bethesda.

If I was Bethesda, Chicago wouldn't be a bad place to make Fallout 5. Already got a bit of lore going for it, you can world build even more.

West coast isn't solely California ya know. We got Oregon and Washington too. Hell, some guy is trying to make a mod representing that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nenXX9wQRY

>>52930699
It's the guys making the rpg version of Infinity.

>>52927216
Hang on... wait up... is this the company that completely fucked-up the mutant chronicles license by putting it all in 54mm (or something)?... What scale are these in?

>>52931071
Oh, wait 32mm... so only a bit too big...

>>52927216
Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game. Fallout 3 is the worst. The original and 2 are okay, New Vegas is meh.

>>52931036
I'm not sure if that's better or worse.
>Not infinity
Vs
>No wargaming cred

>>52931092
32mm is fine if it's got realistic proportions. Look at Malifaux vs "heroic" 40k.

>>52931132
are you even trying

>>52931132
>fallout 4 is the best
I've got a radiant quest that needs your help.

>>52930955
well technically there weren't any minis for that but it has a solid ruleset and if the new game sucks I'll have some good looking new Brotherhood minis

>>52931132
Is it nice, being so full of shit that it pours out of your ears in some sort of grand shit waterfall. Or is is painful being so utterly devoid of value and use to the world that your only hope is to act as a warning to future parents, 'look at anon' they'll say 'such potential to be not a lump of utter cunty shite, wasted on shitposting and pathetic failure'.

>>52928127
Nobody forgets Bethesda didn't make it. Trust me, that's why it's the only good 3D Fallout.

>>52931133
As someone who likes a game of Infinity now and again, I'd say it's probably going to be good thing it's not being made by Corvus Belli. Model quality aside of course.
>power armor and raiders made with Spanish pewter magic
imagine

>Bethesda anything

I'll pass.

>>52928436
It was a good game.

But it wasn't a good Fallout Game.

Im not really sure fallout has enough identity to carry a game on its own

>>52929866
>Normies
Holy shit, sperg much?

Fucking be grateful that video games aren't just a niche market anymore: at least "normies" don't fucking look down on gamers as much anymore. But I don't expect you to understand that since games should only be made to appeal to you, aren't I right you autistic twat?

>>52930975
>tfw NV mods manage to, using the shitty atiquated engine create a more epic and immersive war experience in the Fallout world than all of Bethesda with their mountains of gold did in FO3 or 4.

>>52929953
So... Real world Vegas then?

>>52931509
Not him, but...
One thing is establishing a new franchise for normies, nobody would give a shit.
Another thing is taking an existing franchise so that people would jump on the wagon, dumb it down beyond recognition so that "it would appeal to a wider audience" (Read: 10 year olds that have an attention span of 7 seconds, don't like numbers and want to see brains splatter in slow mo xdXdxD ) and shitting all over the established lore while they're at it.

>>52928233
Get the Enclave!!!

>>52931509
>Fucking be grateful that video games aren't just a niche market anymore
Thanks for not having a good stealth game since chaos theory, or a decent shooter
>at least "normies" don't fucking look down on gamers as much anymore.
So? I literally don't give a fuck what normalfags who spend 12 hours a day on facebook think.
>games should only be made to appeal to you, aren't I right you autistic twat?
Me and a narrow, but worldwide group of people, yes. Like Metal Gear, Hitman, Silent Hunter, or Splinter Cell

>>52929457
Fucking this. Last good fallout game was fallout tactics.

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>>52932056
>12 hours on 4chan is much more respectable that 12 hours on Facebook

Have sex please

>>52932758
>Tactics
>Good

Let's take the objectively worst part of FO1&2, the combat, and build a game around that.
Funny how even Bethesda, who are hell bent on turning the whole franchise into a rebirth of tactics still didn't manage to make the combat good in FO4. Sure, it's a bit better than in 3 and NV, but it's still utter shit compared to even FPS games from 15 years ago.

What makes fallout fun is your imagination.
You can forget your main quest.
The fun in these Bethesda games aren't what they make for you, it's what you make out of the pieces they give you, mods help.
I'd be fine spending 40 bucks for that, provided the pieces are good enough.

>>52929900
When the bigger audience is 12 year olds for an M rated title since everyone knows those ratings mean nothing.
I think they can complain.

>>52934411

Too bad Bethesda's Fallout worlds are so dull and lifeless.

>>52934200
>Let's take the objectively worst part of FO1&2, the combat, and build a game around that.
FO1&2 were rpgs.
tactics is a tactics game as the name suggest. And a great one at that.
Might just be that you are more of a roleplayer...

>>52935201
This
Especially FO4, there were so many places where I saw a nice location just for it to have a handful of raiders/ghouls/mutants and serve as a sandbox for the minecraft mechanics. As I couldn't give less of a shit about the settlements besides one home base, this was a real dissapointment. Bethesda has some real great world/level designers, but the writers fail to do anything meaningful with them. After spending some 30 hours in the game, I had figured out that absolutely every aspect of the game was shallow as fuck and that I had pretty much seen everything and couldn't be arsed to grind for the teleporter and uninstalled that piece of shit.

>>52928127
Fallout as an IP is still absolutely, 100% now owned by Bethesda. There's nothing keeping them from its inclusion other than the two or three absolutely crazy people out there who think that New Vegas is trash garbage and Fallout 3 is some narrative pinnacle.

>>52935981
I'm not faulting tactics for not having in-depth roleplaying, as you said that's not the point of it as it is a combat orientated spin-off, but I still think that the combat in it is really clunky and doesn't do the premise justice.

>>52936125
Can you put that into context for me and give me an example of a game where you think the combat works better?
Cause in my mind it's one of the best games of it's kind out there.
Like X-com without the base building basically.

Anyway the only thing clunky about it were the oddities that came with the RNG imo, but it's in the nature of the thing really.

>>52936125
Huh? It was a solid squad game. You could pull off some pretty operator stuff in the first few missions- encircling, flanking, chopping up crowds of raider scum with sneakiness and automatic AK fire. The combat was solid in most people's eyes... have you ever even played Tactics?

>>52936208
Hard to think of a specific game, generally the biggest turn-off in (turn based) tactic games is the devilish RNG. But as for the clunkiness, Xenonauts (XCom remake) is probably a good comparison that I did enjoy. Played Tactics a bit a long while back and all I remember from it was that the combat didn't feel enjoyable.

>>52928675
> only good for small skirmishes
Well good thing the game is marketed as a 3 to 30 model game... or skirmish.

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>>52927216
>Fallout 4

>>52927216
Sounds great.

>>52927216
Seems bad man.

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>>52927216
we can field Preston Garvey?

YES PLEASE

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>>52927216
>Why aren't we talking about this?

>Modiphius Entertainment, publisher of shit game, shit game, shit game, shit game, shit game and shit game, is thrilled to announce today that shit game, the second tabletop miniatures game based on the Fallout universe, is currently in development and is set to release November 2017

>>52927216
Was discussed last week.

It's also still in the vaporware stage.

So many of these licensed wargames are: Shit, DoA, or never get beyond prototypes, that people stop caring until it's on the way to stores.

See Knight Model's Marvel Game and Prodoss AvP.

>>52930204
New Vegas: You're the mailman and you have been for a long time. Other then that you can think whatever you want.

That's why I'm annoyed personally. Bethesda didn't want to learn about what NV did well.

>>52930682
The only SPECIAL loss that mattered was agility in the first games. Not like even that mattered since 2 Rad-X gives you 100% radiation resistance, which is just bad design.

>>52931461
It hasnt. Fallout is just muh 50ties Nuga-Kola maymay now (nukes and mutants and pulpy robots everywhere). Lolrundumd scientist inside!!!!

>>52932056
Metal Gear is overrated tubler-fanfic-tier garbage, actually.

>>52944008
DUDE NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION IS SO FUNNY

>>52939356
This, so fucking much. Also, its not fallout universe its memeout universe now.

>>52940404
>Prodoss AvP.
Herd about this shit, really hope, that Bethesda trash will end up like that.

>>52928127
Forget? That's literally WHY it was by far the best. Only complaint is the Strip.

>>52944140
I didnt like most of new vegas dlcs. But NV and FO1 are still my favourite games in series (they have flaws, a lot of them, but the good stuff in them really worked for me).

>>52930064

It's like you didn't play both of the games.

I would be perfectly happy with obsidian making another game with the same graphics if it meant it wasn't "call of fallout: Farmville" edition. Don't get me wrong, I love the enhanced gunplay, but the same 4 dialogue choices that usually end at the same place was highly fucking gay. You almost have no control over what is said and that's not role-playing at all.

>>52931509

I would trade all of the video game acceptance in the world for better games.

I want a memory that will last me forever, not the next new thing.

I yearn for substance in an ever fake and unimaginative world.

And I hope you die for not understanding the agony of having your hobby become "acceptable" because of people that dont even appreciate these things.

>>52942442
I bet you loved the removal of skills as well, because skills never really changed anything in the gameplay and were poorly implemented, right?

>>52945011
depends on the skill. I like how each point put into lockpicking and hacking provides an immediate improvement for your ability to pick locks and hack. Instead of putting all your skill points from a level up into the skill and getting no difference.

I don't like how you have to get the ability to disarm people if you improve your melee skills to the maximum, making a sword fight never happen because you always knock the sword out of their hands near the start of the fight. Or how improving your sneak skill makes you ignore floor traps so gauntlets of traps become easy.

The removal of skills has the side effect of not letting you put 100 points into your main attack skill by level 5. Which I feel has some purpose. Though I wouldn't strictly say that's a good thing.

>Fallout 4 wuz goot maymay.

>>52927216
I'll buy if the models are as dope as their renders

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>>52927216
I'd like to see two modes
battles mode and a warband/campaign mode
hopefully it is kinda like gorkamorka where you have a hideout/base in add to skirmishing/ leveling up your doods bt who knows what we will actually get

>>52927216
32mm scale wtf? 28mm not good enough?

>>52946166
Or just a campaign. Because that is the superior mode

>>52929589
>B-bethesda is saving Fallout!
>S-swear!

If they just didn't shit on the lore (including their own from FO3), turn the game into nonsense shooter with ultra-linear plot having grand total of 4 choices (which faction you side with), gutted all RPG elements and turned NPCs into waifu simulator, they could get a pass.

But they did all of those things and then some, so cry me a river how it's all nostalgia about old Fallouts. I've played through all Fallout games aside the PS2 one for the first time in 2014. What kind of nostalgia do I have? Please explain it to me.
Fallout 4 was shit. The plot was hot garbage, quests were a fucking joke, graphics were so-so and it was RPG in name only.

>>52946422
>[Intelligence 10] So you're implying that Bethesda can't write for shit?
>[Charisma 8] Go suck Obsidians dick, fukboi!
>[Perception 9] You don't seem to like Bethesda.
>[Sarcastic] How about you go fuck yourself?
>Hate Bethesda critisism

>>52946179
We'll see what that actually ends up meaning. They could be measuring to top of head. They could be average "tall" figs like in current Malifaux. Or they could be for-real giants like Kingdom Death. We will see.

>>52944042
I think Michael Swain summed up Metal Gear best when he said, "They're shitting out plots like the 'creative' kid in third grade [while he's laughing / smiling at all the weird shit in MG5]... it's like a game made by a 3rd grader.. a GENIUS third grader." (paraphrasing from memory)

>>52946669
Well Kojima has been trying to kill the franchise since forever, but the fans kept on wanting more. I think Kojima himself even said that a lot of the crazy plot twists and all was to keep the fans from wanting more.

So from what I can gather from this thread, people want from a skirmish mini game;
>base building
>campaign mode
>skirmish mode
>duel mode
>level up systems
Anything else?

>>52927216
Yeah, I'm not going to care unless we get high-quality Elder Scrolls miniatures.
Then I'll check it out. Unless it's based on the civil war from Skyrim.

guys the video game is bad therefore the tabletop completely unrelated to the development team that created the video game will also be bad

this completely makes sense

>>52946821
Though this is mostly a sensible statement, the broken lore that Bethesda has shat out will still stick to the miniatures if it will be FO4 based.

>>52946622
{sarcasm} Fallout 3 dialogue writing is the best.

>>52946711

Springtime for Kojima?

>>52946821
Uh, also developer is pure shit and its just a cashgrab based on maymay redditorsm but that is totally unrelated.

>>52946872
That's what I remember hearing, not a follower of the series because console exclusive though, so do take this with a grain of salt.

>>52946857
[Intelligence 1/4] Yeah dude, it has the best setting and story, fuck Enclave. They're like the Alt Right and fascists. Go Antifa.

>>52946422
>grand total of 4 choices (which faction you side with)
Did you even play the game?
Ending slide has 2 and a half variable
>sex of the player character
>blow up institute or not

>>52948036
Don't forget that you can say "yes" to people or choose to do it later.

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>>52950217
>i wish i could just walk away, reading and talking is boring

>>52927216
>Not based off of FO:NV

Fucking
DROPPED
R
O
P
P
E
D

Also, their miniatures look boring as hell.

At least I will have figures outside of brother vinny for my fallout pnp campaign