Warhammer Fantasy General - /wfg/

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> INB4 AoS shills.

>>52897310
>Mentioning AoS
I see that OP is still a faggot

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I want a feature-length movie. AAA+ Blockbuster of the year, every year.

>>52897387

We'll see how wheel of time goes.

It'll probably be awful.

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Best Arachnarok paintjob?

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I don't understand. we lost like 2 guys.

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North Star are doing some Dwarf, Orc and Elf plastic boxes. Might be decent GW substitutes in some cases.

There's also a box of pirate-looking chaps coming too.

>>52897476
>>>/vg/twg
That said, the most recent update kinda messed up the battle conclusion calculations and some of the auto resolve values

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>>52897491
Here's some 3-ups for the pirates.

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>>52897409
Of course it'll be awful. They shouldn't make movies like that. They should just use the universe, and tell interesting stories within it, with cameos tying them together at best.

One movie with the Night of a Thosuand Arcane Duels. Another movie as a love-story in Tilea. A trilogy about a small group of people and the Storm of Chaos. Yet another movie follows a Witch-Hunter that unveils the truth of the Skaven.

And so on.

>>52897452
Wow, the scale when they're right next to eachother like that really seem off. The dwarf seems way taller than he should, and the proportions compared to a human is just.. odd.

Scale him up and he'd almost just be an ogre.

>>52897513
What's the left guy supposed to be holding in his left hand?

>>52897540
I'm assuming it's a bow.
Might be a little WIP - the club the middle guy is holding is pretty rough too.

>>52897513
Oh man, those really could make some great Tilean or Estalian sailors, or Arabyans with some green stuff.

>>52897540
Battle-cucumber.

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>>52897532
I think that's because it's the master engineer hero model, and heroes/lords are a little bigger by default to distinguish them from the crowd

Also, don't mention ogres

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>>52897513
Here's an orc.
Not exactly modern GW style, but they might fit in with some Oldhammer stuff.

>>52897565
Yeah, I like the slightly Barbary corsair look the right guy has. I've always wanted to do an Araby army but historical miniatures are usually crusades-era which isn't quite right.

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>>52897532
>>52897594
It is indeed due to hero scaling, which means you get 15% more Dawi per Dawi.

Fixed them up to be guild-approved and animated. Comes in Reikland Red and Middenland Blue.

>>52897799

Am i crazy or do the imperials have huge packages down there if you catch my drift.

Is FRP2e still popular or relevant?

I think it's fun and I've enjoyed it and heard it's considered the best edition, but fuck me if it isn't hard to find players.

>>52897532
The problem with movies like that is that it requires an understanding of the setting - not just by the viewers, but by the writers and directors and stuff.

I think if you had told Peter Jackson to make his own LoTR movie instead of the Hobbit, he wouldn't be able to do it - he's probably a creative guy, but he can't just pull an entire story out of thin air, and make it something that works for a movie.

>but not every movie is an adaptation!

But in that case they aren't using someone else's setting to make it. I would recommend that a WFB movie at least be based off a short story - and there are some amazing ones that I think could be stretched into a good film with some padding.

>>52897799
Yeah boi, that looks a lot better.

Is there no way to turn off Hero Scaling? I own the game, but have never played it, but if I do, I can see myself hating that shit.

>>52897870
Most people I know who play it have fairly long-running groups.
I'm not sure it's a game with broad appeal so much as it inspires a degree of loyalty.

>>52897906
What you'd want is this one: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688554241

The second image I posted has the engineers at regular Dwarf size, rather than the default hero scaling.

>>52897870
I know a lot of people that plays it, and yeah, it's still pretty popular - especially once GW shat on it and people stopped waiting for a 2.5 edition or 4th edition.

It's got some minor issues, and some minor things that was introduced in Dark Heresy (made by the same people, building on the same system, so I consider it an evolution of the same system, with concessions/considerations due to the change of setting) such as a better way to gauge Corruption (like, at all), Perception being a proper Characteristic (more meaningful than you'd think), and a few things like that.

Other issues, such as the completely fucked economy (prices are all over the fucking place for seemingly no reason) are an issue, but it's not really major. But yeah, my point is that there are issues, it's not a perfect system. It's frustrating that no united elven or united dwarfen books were ever released, despite being planned.

But it's pretty damn solid, and surprisingly enough it feels a lot better and more consistent than the later WH40kRP games. Once you get the hang of it, it doesn't feel as dated as you'd think. Like, at all.

There's some warhams anon that runs a PnP Discord that focuses primarily on WFRP2, but I don't have the link.

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Sorry i was at the first screening of Guardians of The Galaxy 2, excellent movie btw.

>M'lady
>*Tips fedora*

>>52898260
Look, if you're going to keep posting it, make it different. Its not hard to open mspaint and edit in jokes. Its not funny or tragic anymore, its just a forced meme now.

Put hipster stuff in there, or shoop him into a steampunk con as if he's just another asshole in a costume. Keep it fresh.

>>52897822
They fight their dead comrades risen as zombies, bloodthirsty Beastmen and uncomprehensible Chaos aberrations

I wonder how their bodies can hold the weight of those balls

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After 6+ years of neglecting them, I am finally embarking on the task of painting my dark elves. I have these models waiting on shields and bases, but they look far better than the single color drybrush they had lived with all their lives. With 180 models left to go, I am trying to break them down into manageable 8-10 man chunks that I can complete in an evening.

Post pictures of your core units I guess so we can look at cool stuff (not mine).

>>52897822
If you look up the real life styles of the time period Warhammer is based on, it was the style.

HUGE puffy crotches.

I hate to say it, but AoS Skaven art isn't bad.

https://deadestdeadpool.tumblr.com/post/141241803018

>>52898659
180 models, how horrifying anon, I was in a similiar timeframe with my army, having only assembled 2 units and I found the best way to survive the monotony of it was to try and paint some of the units in a different fashion, slightly mind you but giving each unit it's own unique style really helped me keep my sanity. Also if you want them DONE. settle on a quality for your core and don't go beyond except for front rankers.
Rare and specials where your centrepieces are anyway
I have greatswords I have been chipping away at for months god help me

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>>52899237
>>52898659
forgot my pic, here are some knights I finished off a month or so back, and a swordsman champion to the left.

>>52899276
Yeah, I'm trying to get through core first so that I can have my dessert afterwards. Sadly, when I was younger, I went on an ebay spree buying warrior boxes at $12-16 a piece, so I have dozens and dozens of the suckers laying around.

I like your axe guy on the left. That weapon looks like its made to do a single messy job.

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>>52899383
hey thanks anon, the empire greatswords kit(I only had the funds for one) comes with heaps of glue on sidearm axes/sheathed swords , it was easy enough to convert his original sword to the greatsword 1h axe.

I also gotta note that you can kill the monotony by buggering with poses too, anything to keep it fresh. Don't be afraid if you burnt out though,a similiar method, and after 28 bows, 20 swordsman, 15 knights+conversions , I could only do my first 10 of 20 greatswords before my productivity flew away. It doesn't help that they are my final unit in my army to actually get built and painted(before I worry about basing)

Pic related is not core, but I only completed him 2 weeks ago

I have 700 models needing painting over the summer.

Imma try 250~ a month and see what happens.

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>>52897513

Cool heads. I was looking for a guy with a bandana for my space marines to recreate picture related.

>>52897452

Christ, he's as tall as a man and twice as wide.

On the other hand, in Vermintide the dwarf is more like a Halfling.

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>>52897664

I could get behind these guys. Modern orcs has their own thing going on but their legs always looked a bit stupid.

>>52897822

It's a box too protect your groin, or a groin guard as they sometimes call them.

The Landsknecht of old though started to stuff them with padding, at first for practicality, then to ridiculous levels to show off their masculinity.

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>>52900061
>groin guard as they sometimes call them.
Codpiece is the word you're looking for.

>>52899237

This is good advice, I stick to three tones of the base, shade and one highlight except for faces which get a minor one on the noes and cheeks. You have to be strict or you'll never get them done.

Also I would sit down and do some lists. Sometimes you just want more for the sake of them. Are you ever going to really use those 50 empire handgunners? Don't be afraid to sell some when you know 20 will do for 99% of games.

>>52900285

Well, I guess you could call it a codpiece but they're usually made from the same material as what they're attached to. A box is something you wear underneath but it's all pretty similar, it turns you into 'muh dick'.

Are there any mods that make TWW as good as MTW 2? Because everytime my friends and I play we think its fun for a bit, but then we get bored of the shallow gameplay and go back to playing MTW 2. We have a mod that supposedly slow combat down, but battles are still over in a few minutes. There's also an annoying auto route feature that ensures that battles can't longer than 5ish minutes.

The fact that its Warhammer makes me want to play, and I actually like how heroes work, but it isn't one of the stronger TW games.

>>52900298
>Are you ever going to really use those 50 empire handgunners?

but is your army really an army without at least 50 handgunners?

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>>52900344
Codpiece is the name in English for both the fabric variety and the armour piece.

>>52900510

Yeah when it's attached to armour. A codpiece on a pair of trousers like the empire guys would just be a flap of fabric. Underneath they will have some cured leather to act as a guard.

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>>52900474

> He doesn't own all 12 steam tanks.

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>>52900556
They were just padded. There wasn't a cup underneath.
In either case though, 'codpiece' is still the word to describe it. 'Cod' is just a word for testicles.

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>>52900556
What? No, no anon. Is it safe to assume that English is not your native tongue?

Both the flap on hosen and the armour is refered to as a codpiece. Pic is one of my pairs of hosen.

>>52900474
This anon gets it. How can I call myself a drucchi raider when I can only fill 10% of a black ark? These slaves aren't going to capture themselves. I need elfpower for this kind of work.

>>52898376
Yeah he is right. I fucking hate them but at least make if funny.

>>52901171
Or you can play Dawi and need an 8th of the amount of gay ass elves to reach that manpower.
Dwarf ironclad pirates when?

And not these steampunk sharts.

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>>52901418
Dwarfs steampunked pretty hard originally anyway. It was just dressed sensibly in Norman aesthetics wheras now its a joke about how shitty and faux Victorian shit can get. I'm shocked the nuThunderbarge didn't have a handcrank record player, a stock ticker, tesla coils, and suspenders.

>>52901418
>>52901418
Listen dawi, you maybe be a short, spiteful little cunt, but I think we can both agree that ships are awesome wether stone or steel. Anything is better than faggy wood that those OTHER elves use. So why don't we go kill them together... I've got your back.

>>52901593
I know they did but it did not take up their entire identity.

>>52901418
It looks like the heads are separate - they might look decent if you combine the boiler suits with some more traditional heads.
Which might be difficult. Bare plastic dwarf heads are hard to come by, especially since a lot of dwarf models have their heads molded to their torsos.

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>>52901648
Roight behind ya guvna!
Fer Grungni, wot wot!

THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE FUN OF IT INSTEAD OF JUST POSTING THE SAME IMAGE OVER AND OVER WITH NO CHANGE.

>>52901593

I wonder who green-lighted 'lets just do some 'mysterious' butt-bandit steampunk squats for our totally brand-new setting where there's enough perfunctory gibberish phoned in that we can do anything we want!'

The AoS setting is so devoid of any meaning because everyone respawns to go capture another flag, i mean realmgate#00948431 whilst killing off anything that could resemble character development in 'realms' that cover apparent infinity with suitably vague terms like 'life' and 'death'. All the while fighting against an innumerable enemy that will inevitably win for you to respawn and create yet another bunch of planets or whatever based on some butchered ancient mythology to go and keep selling plastic crack to kids.


So rather than actual dwarf sky-pirates in zeppelins in WHFB. We get shitty, faceless stunty sigmarines in the worst setting possible.

/rant.

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Engineers can bump this

>>52903699
>WOOO GRUNGI'S BEARD WE'RE SHOOTING ORCS
>Durgam we know you're excited but this is a super serous battle we might die in?

Sorry that I'm new to the hobby but I might have some really basic questions that I'd love to have answered.

>If you put a hero with a magic Resist orb into the same bunker as a lord; does the lord benefit from the hero's item?
>If the lord has a 4+ save from the orb of preserverance and get to have benefits from the Hero's orb, does the ward save get increased to 2+?
>Is it worth it to have a lord that has a 2+ save against magic?

>I'm playing Vampire Counts and their lords are somewhat topheavy.

>>52901911
>T. Didn't even bother reading AoS fluff at all and just listens to 1d4chan memes
If you're going to talk about AoS, go to their general and at least know what the fuck you're even talking about

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>>52903899

Generally speaking it'll be too many points to be worth it. Its easy to spend so much protecting a character that they aren't effective enough to be worth protecting and costs more than redundant characters would be.

>>52903994
WHERE'S THE MAPS, CARNAC.

SHOW ME THE MAPS.

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>>52904151
Thank you for posting a screencap of the rules instead of deriding me for not finishing the rulebook yet.

I greatly appriciate it, you wonderfull person you.

>>52901648

The ships were the worst part.

They'd need to much conversion to justify ever getting one for Dwarfs.

>>52903699

> When you have more armour than a Greatsword but you sit at the back and shoot and will never enter combat.

Seems about right.

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>>52904151
But considering that you've sunk 500pt+ into a Lord character, wpuld it still be considered excessive?

Also; is damage from spells actually normal?
>It's states that it only blocks damage from spells and not magical attacks.

How normal is fire attacks? Do you expect to face 1-2 enemy units with flaming attacks, or are we thinking everyone has it?

And regeneration saves belonging to a Hero/lord; is that conferred to his mount?
>I've heard people talking about taking huge mounts with regeneration lords because the mount also get to use his save.

Can you choose wether to attack the character or his mount?
>If the mount dies will the character walk on foot? If the character dies, can the mount still fight on?

You don't have to take the time to post proof; i just want to know if you have information to share. = )

>>52904488

Not him but if you're playing vamps at 2500 points your Lord allowance is 625 points and you will need every scrap of that to make him as much of a meat grinder as is possible.

>>52904657
I see.
And is it ever a good reason for taking and kitting out a master necromancer rather than kitting out a Vampire Lord?
>The vampire seems better in all regards.

>>52904306
Few of us would give you shit for a legit question.

Other than that AoS douche. Who I am almost certain goes into AoS threads prentending to be a Fantasy cunt, but has played neither game.

Why the fuck does that "hundreds of thousands of knights" faggot keep coming here and where the fuck did that shitty meme start? The empire likely has hundreds of thousands of normal soldiers if we go by real life army size. I'm pretty sure at no point in history did any nation have 100k knights that's fucking ridiculous

>>52904802
ain't the Empire composed of multiple nations

>>52904802
Average army for the time period would probably be about 30k men, a third of them cavalry, and not all those horsemen being "knights". So if each Empire state can raise an army about that size when it needs to fight, that's more like tens of thousands of knights.

>>52904715
Yes.

Saving points for shit like Blood Knights and Terrorgheists while a hero vamp works as a discount blender.

The following is the main builds.

>Blender Lord
>Cheap Wizard, vamp or Necro

>Master wizard, vamp or Necro
>Cheap blender or secondary wizard, vamp or Necro

>Master wizard, vamp or Necro
>Forbidden lore Lord vamp

All of the above will have one of the following
>Wight King BSB with Grave Guard or Black Knights
>Vampire BSB

Note that while you can use a Wight King who isn't a BSB Vampires are better for points even if you don't upgrade them.

You take Necromancers in order to save points. You don't want your wizard in melee usually unless you plan on a complete blitz so spending more to give them fighting prowess but costing yourself a BSB is a waste.

Wraiths and banshees usually suck. Not really worth bothering with.

>>52904831
If you combined every nation in Europe I'm still not certain they would have anywhere close to "hundreds of thousands." Regular armies barely had that many soldiers until ww2 and we're talking about a medieval society consult being attacked by barbarians already in the borders.

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>>52904488
you gotta read the rulebook anon, it doesn't take too long and their is a copy in the op. but heres the quick and dirty.

1. what item/unit?

2. depending on your enemy/your own army comp expect a canny player to back accordingly.
a certain lore of magic adds fire damage, as well as for example warrior priests being able to turn on a fire damage button every turn.

In short if you run a whole heap of shit with regen, expect to get flammed. just nuke whatever stuff has flames or throw zombies/skeles at it to ignore it.

3. "unless noted, special rules do not apply to either do not normally apply to the mount/vice versa with the rider"
. but you really gotta read page85- 86 of the big rulebook. it explains better than I can how cav are/

4. p85-86 anon, if you have the little rulebook it's 82-83. you will mess up some rules if you don't familiarize.
in short no though. hits always strike the rider, monstrous cav get a special roll to decide what they do if the rider dies though sometimes


also as you are playing vc, here is a hint, try and have your angry killy vampire lord, with at least one back up necromancer so your entire plan doesn't go poof if your lord eats too many cannonballs.

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>>52904802
It's canon, faggot. This is warhammer fantasy, not warhammer history. Take your shitty realism and shove it up your ass, there are as many elves as the plot requires, and the plot requires a fuckload

>>52904802
Warhammer numbers are all over the place like dozens thousands of dark elves in each watch tower.

>>52904831
Yeah, just like the real life Holy Roman Empire they have little ethnic ties, open dislike and bigotry towards each other, and are united only by adherence to the same faith and threat of invasion. Considering them one country, or even what the EU is, is a modern misinterpretation. Its more like the Delian League where there's more boddy assholes than just Sparta and Athens.

>>52904919
>sorcerous Sultan Jaffar

Don't think they can trademark that one, bro. Don't count on that being "canon".

>>52904919
Anon, "there are as many elves as the plot desires" implies numbers mean nothing. There there is no credibility to the writing.

That those "hundreds of thousands of knights" lose to Archaon and his retainers if they got lost and wandered into a portal from the Chaos Wastes to the Empire while stumbling around for their morning piss.

Did you forget how GW accidently wrote the Imperial Guard as being greenskin numbers?

>>52904919
You realize even historically sometimes specific numbers wouldn't be all that accurate - prone to exaggeration, or miscalculation? 'Hundreds of thousands of knights' could just mean 'a lot of knights,' like how we say we have hundreds of things to do, or thousands of problems to deal with.

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>>52904953
>not canon
That's literally from the BRB and sultan Jaffar has been in the fluff since at least 6th. Oh wait, we get to choose to ignore actual printed fluff if it goes against our feelings, I forgot.

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>>52904907
HOWEVER MONSTERS being ridden by characters do have a split profile,so read that.

so the dirty of it is this. if you have a vamp on a zombie dragon
you can choose which of the two to hit in melee, if you shoot them though unless the shooter has the sniper rule hits must be randomised.

oh also it's only monstorous mounts which get the special if the rider dies rules. keep that in mind

>>52904894
How important is the BSB in VC and what banner would you run with the Wight king?
>The banner of Barrows?

What is the Wight King + GG's usual role and at what how many points should I absolutely have them?
>I usually run Black knights and ghouls for hammer units as I don't actually have GG models, but it's not that hard to proxy.

>>52905001
I've never read any fluff that's newer than the 6th edition army books, it might as well not exist. Only in these threads because the video game made me interested in the setting again.

>>52905001
He's making a joke on how GW will dump anything they can't reasonably copyright as being their original ideas, so something as obvious as Jaffar won't fly.

Probably why Bretonnia was cut too - pretty much everything about them was obviously a ripoff of medieval history or literature (Robin Hood, Joan of Arc, King Arthur, etc). Tomb Kings might have gone for the same reason, even if it wasn't as direct.

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>>52904907
Thanks for your locations of interest in the rule-book. I'll make sure to check it out, but it's a lot to take in at once.

>>52905024
So to avoid generalization; would a Terrorgheist ridden by a Strigoi ghoul King have access to the Ghoul King's Regeneration save?

>>52905029
BSB bubble will help with crumble, the Barrows is indeed the one, and Grave Guard are a durable and killy block of troops. Black Knights are the same thing but mounted and thus slightly more killy and durable.

GG/BK are not mandatory by any means. But they are good.

I forgot, there is one more useful character type. The one which is a Strigoi Ghoul King who's sole purpose is being yet another Terrorgheist on the table.

>>52905073
Empire is literally their least unique faction though, to the point you can just use historicals as perfect proxies, and they stayed.

At least TK are skeletons.

>Authors say "as many elves as the plot requires" to avoid autists getting into pointless debates about how the population figures don't make sense
>most sources leave the numbers intentionally vague to avoid this problem
>autists still end up throwing a bitch fit over numbers

The numbers don't matter, all you need to know are that massive armies fought and some irrelevant towns got destroyed and a bunch of people died. Trying to figure out how the populations and logistics would make sense will cause unnecessary headache and ultimately solve nothing. Unless you're so autistic you need real figures from the fluff, in which case you get anywhere from a large imperial army having only a few thousand soldiers at the major chaos incursion that was volgonoff to dark elves having 80k soldiers garrisoning a single watchtower

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>>52905069
>it's not canon because I didn't read it

>>52905187
Why would anyone care about something written in an edition so bad it killed the game?

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>>52905092
all good anon, I find curling up somewhere with a hot beverage helps to slam the book out. also Perhaps use some sticky notes cut in half as bookmarks for difficult to comprehend rules sections, or stuff that you may have to refer back to.

as to part 2, Unless it specifically states that your ghoul king confers his mount regen no , fraid not. now post some pics of something in your army.

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>>52905104
Is Krell worth it?
Or should I go for standard Wight King instead?
>I fully comprehend that you've only mentioned Wight Kings and that Krell has never once been mentioned. But I'm still curious.

>>52905212
Same reason people still care about this dead game at all, I suppose

>>52905140
>Trying to figure out how the populations and logistics would make sense will cause unnecessary headache and ultimately solve nothing.

Other than bridging the suspension of disbelief and providing investment in the story.

Its the difference between an author who spends years editing a book to eliminate all plot holes and one who pushes out a book a year that they spent maybe two months of it writing.

Otherwise you end up with something like AoS, where the stakes are made up and the results don't matter because the threadbare story is just there to fluff up main characters.

>>52904715

My recommendation is at 2500 points you probably want a L4 Necromancer and a L1 Vampire lord.

Here's what I use.

Vampire Lord - 220
Level 1 Wizard
Heavy Armour - 6
Enchanted Shield - 5
Ogre Blade - 40
Talisman of Preservation - 45
Quickblood - 30
Red Fury - 50
= 396

Master Necromancer - 165
Level 4 Wizard - 35
Dispel Scroll - 25
= 225

Pretty standard stuff. The Necro has a pile of 20 zombies to shield him at the back.

>>52905218
I assumed you were avoiding named characters.

Take Krell with Kemmler. Like Vlad and Isabella, you don't want one without the other.

HeinKrell is good.

>>52905227
It being a more grounded and cheaper Warcraft?

>>52905273
Warcraft is free....

Also Warcraft orcs originally vaguely kind of resembled mid 90s full on "Red Period" Warhammer. And that's about it. I really hate this meme.

>>52905308
No, Warcraft is a ridiculous subscription fee game.

Or it was. May have gone f2p now, fuck if I care any more.

Also, learn your history. Warcraft was the pet project of a Blizzard designer who wanted to make a Warhammer game but was retooled when the execs at Blizz (not GW as the myth goes) wanted it to be their own game.

Later on Metzen went full Faerun on it.

You're a meme.

>>52905236
>where the stakes are made up and the results don't matter because the threadbare story is just there to fluff up main characters
So you mean like how fantasy already was outside of rpg material?

>>52905246

To add to this, you can then rake a mini-blender in heroes or a wight king with fencers blade and the other tricksters shard to hunt enemy characters. Be warned if you pull this off you will generate levels of hutthurt rarely seen among grown men.

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>>52905261
Sounds cool. I have no problems proxying named characters, but I appriciate the sentiment.
Kemmler mentioned that the enemy must name all their magic items within 12'', and this confuses me slightly.
>Are the rules set up so that you don't HAVE to tell your opponent which models are equipped with what?

And is Kemmler's sword a trap?
>Do you want him with your GG or in a zombunker?

>How would you kit out a regular Wight King anyway?
Greatweapons? Which magic items do you want on the WK?

>Whom should be the BSB if both Kemmler and Krell joins in the GG bunker? A random lesser vampire?

>>52905346
Skip to 13:08.

https://youtu.be/Qll-y4r4cVMI

>>52905365
Stakes had meaning. When a village near Altdorf gets wiped out, to fans there's immediate context and future implications.

Everything in AoS exists for one story, and the only stakes are McGuffins introduced in that story and the general idea of losing something. It has no bearing on anything else because the entire setting is about gods and Chaos Gods, so a small village near some city has no importance in any way, shaoe, or form.

>>52905346
Wow, 140 dollars a year. That's like the price of one all metal Warhammer regiment. And no, I don't pay to play it. Private servers.

I also don't need to "learn my history", you tard, I played all the Warcraft games. What inspired someone to make them doesn't matter. Metzen's released product is Warcraft.

>>52905367
Fencer's blade gives you WS 10 right?
Does the paired weapon trait give you an automatic +1 attack?

I assume this falls a bit flat against 2+ saves though?

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Hahaha imperialfags BTFO for something their great great grandfathers did, based tomb kings are based

>>52904919
>what is unreliable narration?

>>52905420
Warcraft is heavily lifted from Warhammer. Its just lighter hearted and more fantastic since its inception didn't try to be plausible whereas Warhammer once did, and unfortunately borders on capeshit.

$140, and the time it takes to play. That's three boxed units new, or an entire army on ebay with patience and luck. Painted and played.

>>52905436

5 WS10 hits with S4 killing blow while OTS allows no ward saves.

He's not a laser guided missile but for about 130 points he can scare away a lot of stuff.

>>52905493
I just don't see a whole lot of love or nostalgia for the Red Period. Seems people like 6e's grimdarkness or 3e's retro grimness. Warcraft was somewhat inspired by what Warhammer looked like in 1994-5, and went off in its own direction. I really dislike the casual connection of the two as if Warcraft has anything to do with Warhammer post about 1997.

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>>52905439

> Tomb Kings BTFO by something that happened thousands of years ago.

Checkmate heathen.

Araby fell so fast because its own people hated jaffar and only followed him out of fear. Once they saw that the knights presented an opportunity for freedom (and also that they'd end up as a red smear on the sand if they stood against them) many of them turned against jaffar and fucked up all of his plans during the final battle.

Also the skaven were behind the whole thing and only did it to weaken all nations involved, they didn't give a shit who won and likely withdrew all their support for jaffar once they realized he was on the losing side

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>>52905583
>entire nation fucked beyond the point of no return thousands of years ago
>still come back from the dead to buttfuck pajama wearing faggot white bois just because they smashed some autists art project
>still bro tier enough to bail out loser imperials even though all they get in return are their tombs raided

Checkmate, barbarians

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Speaking of Verminlords, has anyone noticed how laughably small his feet are? He doesn't even look like he could feasibly balance himself, it looks like he's walking on stilts.

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>>52905654

>>52905657
Probably shouldn't be able to hold up that huge horned head either, but you know, daemons.

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>>52905654

I wish my PJ's looked like this.

>>52905718

He looks intimidating until you get to the ankles and see his little trotters.

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So I'm really shit at making lists and posting this for everyone to laugh at/ give suggestions. I'm playing against wood elves, 2000 pts. Will give reasons for stuff at the end:
Lords/Heros:
>Warlord (General)
Swift slaying, Dawnstone, Tricksters Helm
>Greyseer
Dispell scroll, Tailismen of preservation
>Warlock Engineer
Lvl 1, Warp energy condenser, Doomrocket
>Assassin
Brass orb

Core:
>Skaven Slaves x50
Musician
>Skaven Slaves x50
Musician
>Storm Vermin x30
Sheilds, Musician, Champ, Storm Banner
>Night Runners x15
Warp Grinder

Special:
>Poisonwind Globadiers x5
Champ
>poisonwind Globadiers x5
Champ

Rare:
>Hellpit abomination
>Warplightning Cannon
>Warplightning cannon

Warlord goes in Storm vermin unit. Grey seer might just hop around. Assassin hides in nightrunners, who will be warmachine/mage hunters with grinder. The globadiers just follow the skaven slaves and lob shit into them with life is cheap rules. Storm banner because fucking elves and bows.
Biggest problems: Getting shit on them before arrows block out the sun. Also hoping globes can help with the treemen.

>>52905657
>End Times model
Of course it looks bad, check the FW Exalted Verminlord for a great looking Verminlord

>>52905439
that sounds like 8th ed shit where armies from all over arejetting across the globe to do idiotic stuff.

>>52899099

That's because it has a distinctive oldhammer feel. Rabid, visibly ill ratmen with dim colors

>>52903899

>yes
>yes
>depends on your army.

Generally speaking tho, if you're using a necromancer as your lord, it's much easier to just stick a lvl1 mage with straigth up MR£ in your bunker, you're not going to fight things directly aimed at your lord, you're going to need to keep your bunker alive

>>52905657

That's because they kept the proportion from the old Verminlord, which was much more rat-like and was shown to often walk on all 4 legs

>>52905657
that kit had good bits, but model itself is aweful

good thing I just picked all the bits I needed on ebayz and proceeded to make my own Vermin Lord with a normal body

>>52896756
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?simple-page/

>>52905657

I wonder if his feet are ticklish.

wud you pat a skaven?

>>52905657
One of the thing I really hate about the Verminlords of the End Times/Smegmar setting, beyond the fact that they look ridiculously overdesigned and huge, is the fact that they look like they're walking on stilts.

>>52905657
I jsut don't understand what these legs are supposed to be? they don't look like rat paws, they don't look like human feet, they don't look like hooves... they seem to have wrong number of joints as well. who the fuck designs shit like that

>every faction has a lot of fluff exploring extensive, deep and sometimes even well-written culture and history of said faction
>every faction has its own distinctive style and uniqueness
>we still refer to them as Armies

isn't this what objectifying truly means?

I always liked Bretonia and Chaos warriors if I were to start a WHF army which one should I choose?

>>52907736
make a corrupted Bretonni army, that can play as either one?

>>52907519
>wow deamons legs dong looks like anything in muh forest near me, like wtf

>>52907519
They're combo of cloven hoof and claw.

I can't help but laugh at people slagging off others for ignoring pieces of "canon" they don't like or haven't read in this thread...

...which is based upon ignoring End of Times and AoS.

Thank you I needed some cheering up.

>>52908425
there's nothing wrong with Fanon Discontinuity
it's a proper reaction to crap

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>>52908445

Yeah I just like that different people have drawn the line at different points.

Some see the start of EoT as the cut off, others abandoned ship when 8th started, some of us old cunts stopped caring about new fluff at 6th.

All are valid in my opinion, as long as two people having a discussion know where each other stand.

Age of Sigmar > WHFB

Your daily reminder, empirefags.

>>52908425
Most of us don't really ignore canon, we just consider canon for a different setting to be irrelevant to a largely unrelated setting. Not that hard to comprehend, really.

>>52905857

I tend to jump to reacting to these things as im a former skaven player, but something you've missed;

>assassin with brass orb

That's a Clan Skyre specific weapon, not accessible to Clan Eshin characters.

If you're worried about treemen and cavalry, take Plague Censor Bearers instead of globadiers.
>Hatred
>Frenzy
>flails
>toughness tests on any in base contact with them (before always strikes first. You breath faster than you fight elves)
>skirmishers

I've always leaned towards clanrats over slaves, as I prefer the weapon teams that are available rather than just having more bodies on the field. You wouldn't be taking units of 50, more units of 30 in 6 rows of 5, but it does the job for leadership purposes.

Where are you putting that grey seer. He'll get killed if he's running around on his own.

>>52909407
>Most of us don't really ignore canon, we just ignore canon and try to dress it up as if we're not

>>52909407
you're talking to a 12 year old, of course it's difficult to comprehend when you can't even comprehend the hair on your balls yet.

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>>52909741
Fair point.

It's ok to like both WHFB and AoS.

>>52908053
>anatomically-sound humanoid body except for feet
>dude a demon isn't supposed to make sense
Shut the fuck up.

>>52910765
>20 foot tall demon
>with rat skull and horns
>dodgy feet ruin immersion

1/10 would not bang

>>52905857

I quite like this list, as the other anon said though you probably want a unit of clan rats at the back to hide the Grey-seer in.

>>52907565

No, want to fight about it?

>>52907736

Well the 9th age alternative Bretonnian models are looking very nice but they will not be cheap, chaos warriors on the other hand are probably the cheapest army in the game. So that's something to bear in mind.

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>watch something 40k related on WarhammerTV, video ends and autoplay starts showing a how to paint video
>notice Warhammer TV using music from Warhammer Online on their videos about painting not!Squats
HAVE YOU NO FUCKING HEART, GEEDUBS?
I WANT TO FORGET

>>52911575
Warhammer online was a shitty wow clone.

The warhammer vidya scene has never been better (which is ironic). An amazing RTS/GSG, a great ARG, and a good tactical game.

>>52911662
vermintide needs a fucking knight character or something so i can play it. their character selection is more like npcs than pcs

What do you guys think of this scheme for a Mordheim Mercenary warband?

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>>52912445
Forgot pic, fuck me

>>52912460
I always dig purple/black/red color schemes, personally. Do they have a backstory?

>>52913367
Basically just the Band of the Hawk from Berserk, not super fleshed out yet. Leader is in it for the long game and will use the riches taken from Mordheim to become a noble someday and become a real army

>>52913395
>associating tranny faggots with purple

youre the reason the glorious color purple has a bad reputation

>>52913510
What are you talking about?

>>52913519
griffith is a gay tranny. are you retarded? do you not know anything about beserk?

>>52913573
>gay
No.
>tranny
Definitely no.
Have you even read the manga?

>>52911662
stfu AoS Shill

>>52913589
>sucking dick isnt gay as long as youre a femboy

>>52913642
When did he suck dick?

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>>52913660
youre right he probably just took it in the ass

>>52913682
gay4pay != gay
Go away, Guts.

>>52911763

> Knights

Both the solider and the dwarf can have weapon and shield combos

> INB4 that doesn't make them a knight.

There's no armour in the game so everything else would only be cosmetic.

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>>52913695

>>52913714
What do traps have to do with anything? Have you just resorted to macro image replies because you have no argument?

>>52911763
You'll get your Knight after I get my Warrior Priest.

>>52913600
How the fuck is he shilling AoS you absolute faggot nobody even mentioned it he just said WAR sucked ass

which it did

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>>52912460

Looks good.

Black is usually associated with Nuln or Averland so they could be a regiment/town from that area.

>>52913727
what? the argument is already over. i proved you wrong and just posted a funny image for fun. if you want i can hammer in what a fucking retard you are that youre making armies based off of a setting you know jack shit about

have much of a fucking faggot do you have to be irl to think that fucking another man isnt gay? have you sucked dick before yourself or something and dont want to admit it?

>>52913766
Thanks. I should probably get that book one of these days. Some very cool stuff in there.
>>52913773
Griffith only fucked that guy for money to save the Band of the Hawk. There is no evidence that says Griffith is gay-- in fact, the only time we see him have sex with someone of his own accord is when he fucked Casca in Hell.
Shoo shoo.

>>52913766
>What? You don't dual wield?
>Let me look at you with disdain

>>52913807

> When you didn't get the memo that the dress code was 'large and in charge'.

>>52913800
Don't forget that princess that he raped as part of his master plan.

>>52913831
That too.

>>52913831
>>52913800
you guys are literally making me laugh. holy shit what a bunch of dick suckers you are. and people still defend reddi/tg/

>having gay sex isnt gay!

just to make my day please tell me youre European

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>>52913895
>doesn't understand the concept of doing things you don't want to do in order to further your cause

>>52913895

Not them but fuck off Tyrone, this is the Warhammer general not the fucking 'projecting my own homosexual insecurities' general.

>>52913807

>Gee captain! How come your general Lets you use two pistols?

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>>52913895
>he has a Berserk headcanon in which everything is the same except Griffith is gay

Please report and ignore.

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>>52914043

Are the kings of war rules PDF's on the Mantic website the full rules? So if I bought the gamers edition of the rules it would look exactly like this?

>>52913923
Yeah, well, if those things involve taking a cock up your ass, guess what, it's fucking gay. I'm not that guy, but come on. I don't even know what the fuck you autists are arguing over, so I didn't want to say anything, but you're practically saying that having gay sex isn't gay.

>>52914198
>having gay sex isn't gay.
If your band of mercenaries would die without an income, and you were down to your last few gold pieces, you're telling me if somebody offered you a ton of gold to fuck him you wouldn't do it?

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>>52914241
Yeah, pretty much. Because I'm not a faggot.

>>52914266
Guess you'll die with your ass intact. Congratulations.
I'll be busy laughing at you with my badass merc friends.

am I the only one who prefers the square bases? love the big group bases as well like >>52898659

any advantage to the circular bases found elsewhere?

>>52914241
No, of course not. Imagine how bad that would harm my mercenary band's reputation if it got out that their leader was willing to lay with men for money - or worse, if things got garbled so that they thought offering sex instead of pay was acceptable. I'd get this one bag of gold, but I'd never get a job again - maybe that ass-loving faggot would even work to make sure I didn't get a job so I'd have to keep coming back to him.

There's a point where the money just isn't worth it, even if you really need it. I'd rather take on a few desperate jobs - at least then you can say that they served as mercenaries and rebuilt their reputation, instead of having to whore themselves out.

>>52914326
Griffith's case was special in that nobody found out, and even if they did, he is so remarkably good at what he does, it wouldn't really matter at all imo.

>>52914355
I thought we were still talking about the not!Band of the Hawk warband, not Griffith himself.

Still wouldn't, even if Griffith was just a girl who can't say no.

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>>52914290

Squares are much better, without an easy way to tell facing all melee games just turn into a scrum in the middle. The exception being skirmish games like LotR where you have 20 men a side.

Now that 40K seems to be pulling itself out of the ditch it's been in since 5th edition we need an alternative game even more. What's the point of playing AoS and 40K when they're pretty much the same game now?

>>52914388
Oh, no, I was only comparing my band to Griffith's band in that they're striving to become a legitimate army eventually.

>>52914281
>Guess you'll die with your ass intact. Congratulations.

Are you implying that the only thing you can do to stay alive is suck cock? Then you're really fucking gay.

>I'll be busy laughing at you with my badass merc friends.

Of course you'd laugh, because you're a faggot that enjoyed every moment of sucking cock. I'd be willing to bet that you're one of the Smegmar cum-guzzlers.

>>52914581
>I'd be willing to bet that you're one of the Smegmar cum-guzzlers.
Dude I just wanted to know what you guys thought of my colour scheme. >>52912460

>>52914355
>Griffith's case was special in that nobody found out
Nobody fucking knows that, and either way, you know that. Don't be retarded.

>he is so remarkably good at what he does
Which is, as we've established, sucking cock and taking it up the ass because he and his crew is incapable of turning a dime any other way.

>>52914602
Oh, I love the colour scheme, no doubt.

>>52914581
>being this insecure about his sexuality and his dead game

>>52914709
>if you dont suck dick and take it in the ass for fun youre just insecure!

does that work for other things too?

>If you dont want to hang niggers and genocide jews youre just insecure and problematic!

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>>52914404
Kind of a waste to have all those knights be just grey with a little red. I get whoever painted them really liked GoT, but it looks a little boring without some variety in there.

>>52914901
on the contrary, i think the ones you posted look like children's toys due to the super saturated colours and variation
to each his own

>>52914404
>Using not!France cavalry faction for Starks in a setting where Middenland, Ulric and the Knights of the White Wolf exist

Was this nigger high?

>>52914939
the empire is full of pooftas though

>>52913697
>No disowned bretonnian knight with a shady past
>No Slayer who will roast you every time he is revived
>No Gold Order wizard with a glorious voice, turning Skaven into golden statues
>No Tilean mercenary bodyguard with polearms, whining about how he doesn't make enough money from this shit
it eventually gets boring seeing the same characters

>>52915133
I love all of these. I wonder if the devs are working on an expansion.

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what models are these?

>>52915244
Look like OOP empire swordsmen/spearmen modified with scythes and Venetian carnival masks I can't immediately recognise the source of.

Fucking incredible, though. A unit of templars of Morr, or just a macabre mercenary band?

>>52915290
Morr. Here's the source.
http://davetaylorminiatures.blogspot.com/2012/06/

>>52915244
7th edition empire state troops. Weapons, shields, heads from somewhere else. I recognize those horrible barefoot models, such a fucking bad design choice for a state funded trooper.

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>>52914930
I just don't see how you can enjoy it when it's almost nothing but grey - especially those Yeomen.

I can understand wanting a more uniform look, but it's not even trying to vary up its shades of grey like some Wissenland schemes do, and the armor just blends in to the grey and makes it look even more colorless.

I don't really get the children's toys insult - they're colorful, sure, but the middle ages were full of color, and a lot of later timeperiods too. It wasn't really until about WW1 that you started seeing uniforms of grays and browns for camouflage - before that most uniforms and such were brightly colored, like the British Redcoats. It's not really childish at all.

>>52915529
>I just don't see how you can enjoy it
that's what personal taste is

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>>52915486
State Troops are supposed to have a lot of variation in quality of funding - generally poor as fuck in the north, rich as fuck in the south.

>>52915563
I also prefer the idea that though a states troopers share a uniform they are directly answerable to the baron or lord that hires them rather than the Elector Count of the province.

Centralisation is a bit flaky at the Imperial tech level, and while the employers of state troopers answer to the Elector Count there is a wide variation in how good the troops are, how loyal they are, etc.

>>52915563
Regardless of how poor, shoes are a must. No empire province is that poor.

>>52915635
>Stirland

I mean you're right it looks shit and they should have put them on the model but Stirland is a bunch of rural fucks and its likely shoes would wear out like a bitch. Its also historically accurate.

It just looks fucking stupid when most armies are painted up as parade ready.

>>52912460
Mordheim is so dark and gloomy, you'd think Human Mercs would actually liven it up with colour a bit.

>>52915563
that is not entirely accurate, western Counties are richer, namely Reikland, Wissenland, Westerland and Middenland, while the central provinces are mixed with Averland and Talabecland being wealthy, while Stirland is dirt poor. The Eastern Provinces are almost entirely poor too, Ostermark, Ostland and Sylvania are poor as shit.

Don't know about Hochland, but I think Nordland is just pissed about being raided a lot.

>>52915691
Honestly, even if Stirland is that poor, I'd still never field models without shoes because they look like garbage, and at the end of the day, it's gotta look good above all else, imo.

>>52915635
Why would they be a must? In rocky areas sure, but if your feet are tough enough you'll handle most ground alright.

If you still think they should be a must, could be ways to explain why they aren't there - maybe they lost them in the mud, or it's like those Welsh longbowmen who'd actually take one boot off because it supposedly helped in rough terrain. Or they gambled them away. Or maybe they were supposed to have state-issued boots, but they never got them - but their own shoes were against regulations, so they couldn't wear them.

Isnt Grittith bisexual? He raped Casca and the princess may have been in love with guts and let the old man ass rape him

>>52916305
according to the gay annons it doesnt count if you have other motives. he raped casca to get back at guts for not giving him a reach around and he pretended with the princess because he wanted her land.

anyway bisexuality is a meme. you are either straight or not. griffith the fuckboi falls into the latter category

>>52916013

This

It's still meant to be a professional army at the end of the day, not a bunch of farmhands.

>>52916507
Why can't it be? Some other anon might want to play with a lack of professionalism in their professional army.

>>52914290

Multibasing is the best.

Having the ability to give a horde/rabble feel or tightly packed ranks whilst also making a diarama or the like is better imo than individual square bases. Easier to move them around the battlefield too.

>>52916616

Well they should use a militia kit then. The hunchback monkey-faced rabble that is the state troops kit is just a sad, poorly designed thing.

If they had given us a more dynamic, expressive version of the previous kit then it would have been great. But they fucked up.

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So early WFRP had Dawi witch hunters devoted to the ancestor god Gazul. Have there ever been any fan rules for these guys? I'm trying to mod them into TWWH but not sure what balance or gimmicks they should have.

>>52916742

The Empire state troop kit is great, it has loads of character.

It's main problem was that it was too detailed in some ways and took an eternity to paint.

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I had been thinking something over and wanted some input: WHat would it take for the Empire to enter a full industrial revolution/age of exploration? I was writing an adventure for WFRP meant to take place 10-15 years post SoC, and was curious if that would be enough time for such things to begin.

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What mini is this?

>>52917486
You are looking at such old and outdated lore, that while interesting, is unlikely to have coexisted with the tabletop

A quick search for "Gazul" in the Bugman forums yelds no homebrew (as tabletop homebrew is not that common, especially for WFRP 1st Ed material)

You will have to pull and adapt what little lore it's there, and if you give my dwarfs greatswords, I will haunt you forever

>>52918062
Looks like a kitbash

Shield is from the grail pilgrims

i have no idea what colours to paint my mordheim mercs. every colour scheme is taken by somebody in the empire

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>>52918088
> if you give my dwarfs greatswords, I will haunt you forever
Right now they just use guns (fire damage) and regular 2H axes (magic & fire damage) just to see what I could fiddle around with.

Need to see about giving them red details, more black, and maybe darker beards. As amusing of an idea they are I'm not sure if I'm going to keep them around for my unit pack.

>>52918002
Probably destroying the Chaos Wastes permanently. I love SoC myself and have often wondered this.

First, before anything else, Franz would definitely need to go find Archaon and give him a royal asswhipping and/or capture him. After that, he'd probably set his sights on the North if he can hold together the West, since they've now proven Chaos can in fact be defeated.

While trying to keep everyone who hates each other together and fighting, it'd be likely that technology and industry would be put on maximum overdrive to prepare their armies to make the march into the North, and also give their home guard a fighting chance at the massing Greenskins of the Badlands.

tldr I think it'd take more than 10-15 years and before going off to colonize the unknown world the Empire would most likely have to make sure the Chaos threat is ended entirely, and once their borders are secure, they expand outward, and that would go pretty much like it did historically, with Imperial conquistadors, piracy, and maybe the rise of Albion as a naval power tied with Bretonnia and the Empire for dominance of the seas.

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>>52905373
>>Are the rules set up so that you don't HAVE to tell your opponent which models are equipped with what?

If I remember correctly, the rulebook assumes you don't know each others magic items(Hints all the items that reveal them). Usually in a casual setting this is ignored, but it makes the game way more fun to be surprised by a hero with something cool you didn't expect.

>>Do you want him with your GG or in a zombunker?

You want him wherever Krell is. Like
>>52905261 said, when they are together they are armazing. Keep them close so Krell can act as his bodyguard. There is no need really to be afraid to keep him on the frontline, his Cloak gives him either Ethereal, or fly. So unless some magic item bearing Hero comes along you will be fine(But Krell is there to take the challenge from that Hero so? Even then you should be fine). If you see a super scary unit coming, it might be a good idea to fly away, but usually it's better to just stay in my experience. His blade may seem underwhelming, but he has 3 attacks, and has a pretty good chance of at least killing SOMETHING, which is useful for raising a few more GG(Who are so expensive that it makes it insanely worth it.).

>How would you kit out a regular Wight King anyway?

Depends on what you want them to do. If you want an extra combat hero(For whatever reason) just give him an Ogre Blade, and the Dragon Helm, with a shield. He will be running around with a 3+ armour save, 2++ against flaming, with 3 S:6 Killing Blow attacks in combat, pretty decent.

However, running a second one as a BSB is a good idea(If you want a BSB that is). Give him A shield(Duh), and the Armour of Destiny. Nothing else needed, he isn't for combat, he is a buffer for you army who is still okay in combat. He will have a 4+ armour and a 4++ ward, which is needed for him.

I think Wight Kings always make good BSB holders.

>>52918002
There have been threads on the idea in the past, if you're curious enough to go looking at what other anons have thought.

Personally, I never quite enjoyed the idea - it gets a little too historical and takes away from what makes Warhammer Warhammer to me.

>>52919124

I would reserve the Ogre blade for his Vampire and if he takes a BSB he can't have any other magic items bar a flag can he?

>>52919366

Yeah it wouldn't really be Warhammer, the early modem/renaissance theme is so heavily woven into it/

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>>52919375
>I would reserve the Ogre blade for his Vampire

He really shouldn't bring a combat Wight king if he is using a vamp honestly. Krell is enough.

>If he takes a BSB he can't have any other magic items bar a flag can he?

No, he can take magic items, UNLESS he brings a Magic Standard on the BSB, then he is limited to banners.

I've never played AoS or WFB, what is the main issue you guys have with AoS aside from the absolutely awful models and lore?

>>52919480

> Apart from awful models and lore.

Anon... that's about 2/3rds of the game.

At some point you have to realise it's a lost cause and instead of changing everything to fit in with GW's grand scheme you just walk away. We're not exactly short of alternatives.

Plus, the rules are pretty shit as well. So that makes it 3 for 3.

>>52919548
>Plus, the rules are pretty shit as well. So that makes it 3 for 3.
This is what I'm curious about. What are the main problems with the AoS rules?

>>52919439

Yeah sorry I always get that confused.

>>52919480
It's just not the game I really want to play. I admit I don't care about the rules of WFB all that much, but I don't really want to 'make do' with AoS, you know?

It doesn't really give me what I want, and it does injustice to the AoS fans that actually like the lore and its rules when I come in, disliking the rules and trying to ignore the lore. Imagine you wanted to play chess and someone kept trying to set up checkers pieces - wouldn't that annoy you?

>>52919480
Lore is shit, forced trademark-safe names are shit, lots of characters killed off, no tangible setting because it's all realmshit, no real timeline, Sigmarines,.

I personally like some of the new models and ideas (Tzeentch and some Khorne designs) but the rest are all pretty awful.

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>>52919480
> the absolutely awful models and lore

This has a lot to do with it for me.

Also it lacks well, a lot of depth. I tried it for a while, and it just got boring. Three of my friends also got really into it then stopped after getting bored due to the lack of variety and such. Also one in particular got mad about how un balanced it all is. Also yes, we all played with the Generals handbook.

It also just has some bad design decisions. Such as the roll every round for initive. Meaning you can GO TWO TIMES IN A ROW! Now, people will say this is okay and adds "Depth" but I think it is just retarded.

Also, it's not a mass battle fantasy game, which is what I am after. It is 40k with fantasy models. It's not block combat, fighting through the bitter end. It's fully armoured space sky dwarves flying around and getting in and out of transports. It's like a super skrimish game blown up.

The rules for shooting are very stupid. As an archer unit can shoot into combat, including their own. Meaning you get to shoot people in the face, then use your swords. Or even worse, somehow shoot ANOTHER enemy unit, and still attack in combat. I hate that system.

All around, AoS still feels half baked and shitty to me personally. Try out both game if you're interested, and play whichever you like more. Just a warningt hough that Warhammer Fantasy and AoS play VERY differently, but all in all WF is way more in depth. Good luck, Anon.

Pic related is the greastest injustive of AoS, also all the amazing units and armies squatted by AoS. Fuck you GW.

>>52919678
*tips fedora*

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>>52919572

If you are serious and want to have a real discussion then I shall give you a serious answer, but this is obviously only my opinion.

Some major issues for me are...

1. It's rules are oversimplified. I choose this word carefully, some great games out there have very concise rules not massively longer than AoS, but what AoS lacks is any precision. Simple things like being able to shoot out of cover, how modifiers are applied etc. are not covered and it's left up to use to decide. This oversimplification also results in another problem, the game doesn't simulate a battle in anyway. Age of Sigmar does have a level of strategy but it does not correspond to real tactics, trying to hit your enemy's flanks, tie up his ranged units. The tactics are very gamy, ie. have all your models in a perfect circle to stop something behind being charged. This isn't how real battles are fought, even at a skirmish scale.

2. A lack of respect for the player base. This is covered in 1. but basically I get the impression GW doesn't care. They want to sell collectable models and don't care about the game anymore, but they know out and out saying this would get them flak, so they have provided us with the bare skeleton of a game that requires no maintenance. It's more like something I would expect to find in a cereal box with some cardboard soldiers, not something the largest miniatures producer in the world would come up with.

3. This one is more of a personal preference but I always preferred rank and file for melee. It solves a lot of these problems.

There probably more but I haven't thought about AoS's rules in at least a year and this is already pretty long.

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>>52919729

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Threadly reminder.

Cash spend on average / month on GW purchases:

1 - 50 Waste of space on gaming tables, Kys, dont get the right to complain about anything.
51 - 100 Still uses proxies, most of the time kids between 6-15
101 - 150 Veteran with lots of stuff already, should consider investinf heavily in other armies
151 - 200 Normal GW hobbyist
201+ Actually supports the hobby, game wont be squatted

Were did you fall in 2005-2015 ?

>>52919908

This is irrelevant.

Blame the game not the players. If it was better more people would have played it.

You won't find many people here who lament the loss of 8th editions rules.

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>>52919943
People here more just miss the setting itself. I was an 8th ed player but am heavily enjoying 6th ed now.

>>52919971

Pretty much. I don't think any edition of Warhammer was perfect but 6th with ravening hordes is as close as it got.

Mind you, there was always that one annoying cunt who'd measured his forearm and would learn over to get something while inconspicuously premeasuring if a charge would make it.

>>52920002
>Mind you, there was always that one annoying cunt who'd measured his forearm and would learn over to get something while inconspicuously premeasuring if a charge would make it.

Right? Game is so much better without pre measuring. Shooting cannons was actually fun!

>>52920476

It's a mixed bag. It was fun when you got a few games under your belt but I know for noobs it put them off. Also you'd have the 2nd turn shimmy in the middle of the board where everyone is trying to position themselves to get the first charge.

>>52919744
>reverse image search
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mzEzHCj0nY
Huh, ok

>>52920907
Is there a point to this post you've made, or...?

>>52920907

Yeah they used it for the Dominator album. I assume they paid Blanche.

>>52916422
>bisexuality is a meme you're either gay or not
you're only gay if you get fucked in the ass, not if you fuck an ass

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Hey guys is Zweihander accepted here or should I try the OSR general?

>>52921343

Did they ever release that? It was stuck in hell for years.

Shame that 4th is on the way.

Yeah I'm sure someone else will play it, it's based off 2E WFRP.

>>52921401
Yeah the final illustrated pdf got released to backers yesterday they're gonna released a non illustrated free pdf in a few weeks but they have tye early access pdf available on their site right now.

It's pretty good from what I've read so far, it's got some 1st edition mixed in there amd I really like the corruption mechanic

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>>Blood! Blood!
Vlad's vidya depiction is so much cooler then the tabletop. Resurrection made him screwy and crazy.

>>52921670

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ZVWMPuZ2c

>>52897344
>>52897375
I don't know what happened but now, way to much of /tg/ thinks AoS is anything besides shit, how much shilling whent on?

>>52909625
>>52911319
Alright so i messed around with it a little bit. Was using battle scribe and i didnt even realize it gave me no error for eshin/skryr gear:
Warlord (General)
Swift slaying, Dawnstone, Tricksters Helm
>Greyseer
Dispell scroll, Tailismen of preservation, warplock pistol
>Warlock Engineer
Lvl 1, Warp energy condenser, Doomrocket
>Assassin
Blade of corruption, Tailweapon

Core:
>Clanrats x30
Musician, Champ, stand, shield, spear
>Clanrats x30
Musician, Champ, stand, shield, spear
>Storm Vermin x30
Shields, Musician, Champ, Storm Banner

Special:
>Poisonwind Mortar
On Clanrats
>Poisonwind Mortar
On other clanrats

Rare:
>Hellpit abomination
>Warplightning Cannon
>Warplightning cannon

Assassin hides in unit of clanrats, maybe one with warlock engineer. Grey seer just has a bunch of meat shields for himself. The mortars should launch some hurt into them as I move up

>>52922008
People started getting over the shock of losing the Old World a little bit and realised there's a possibility that the new system and setting can be appreciated on its own merits.

Is this shilling?

>>52922008

I don't know what you mean, does /tg/ think it's shit or not?

In my experience reception is hostile to lukewarm at best.

Anyway, no one here cares. This is the Fantasy thread.

>>52921343
>>52921401
>>52921568
I'm big into 2e of WFRP and I gave Zweihander a try. This was a little back before its final release, but from what I played, I didn't like it much at all. I like complexity and all, but Zweihander felt like it had almost Fatal levels of detail and it got extremely boring extremely fast.

>>52922175

This is what the 9th Age is becoming. More of a love letter to 8th than a system that seriously tries to improve the game.

It's getting more and more granular to try and iron out the bugs but it's just turning into a mess.

>>52922093
When the new system is as bad, and the setting as subpar as AoS, ya. it is.

CA should make its own Warhammer tabletop. Alternative continuity that takes place in a universe were Manny didn't backstab everyone, and Chaos was defeated. at the cost of the entire world being a barren husk of what it was, with dark monsters infesting everywhere, and crumbling nations fighting for struggle.

The Empire could be lead by Gelt, whose crowned himself emperor.

>>52922382
as if games workshop would let them compete with their model line anon
would be cool, except for gelt fuck that do gooder

>>52922382
>CA should make its own Warhammer tabletop.

Because a video game company deciding to make minis is a good idea.

>>52922382

> Implying when the 3rd game comes out it won't be 'you've played it on the computer, now play it on the table-top'.

With LotR SBG pricing of course.

>>52922336
I'm not expressing an opinion on it. I'm just making an observation about why the board as a whole has become less salty about it.

>>52921343
The art in the illustrated rulebook is gorgeous. I would encourage anyone interested in WFRP or just gritty fantasy in general to at least give it a look.

>>52922336
The system isn't bad, and what's wrong with the setting?

>>52921931
How long have you been waiting to use that link?

>>52922505

I often like to bait super cereal night lord players in HHG.

>>52922557
You're doing the Emperor's work, anon.

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>>52922480

The only thing in that sentence I can agree with is the word 'and'.

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>>52923033
More please.

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>>52923116

>>52922475
Love the art, a
I am bummed that they had to censor the bestiary though, kinda wish backers got to choose but I'm sure it would just cause more headaches for the studio

>>52924618

Reading up on the situation I had a bit of a giggle at this comment:

"I didn't think the unclothed artwork was that bad but it did seem odd to see circumcision on wild beastmen."

This all seems like the most american thing ever.

>>52925221
Tbf I think genital mutilation would be up the beastmens alley...

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>>52925299

Question about WFRP2e.

I'm wanting to go an Engineer career route, but I'm starting to feel like Engineer is an underpowered Advanced Career. If you're gun-focused character, I don't see why going Engineer would be worth it. Highwayman for example gets many of the same abilities, only better, and many more talents. Engineers only get two talents and some mediocre characteristic advances. Is there any reason to go with Engineer? If I ran a game, I'd almost consider giving it more Talents or something. It just looks so weak.

>>52919744

>the game doesn't simulate a battle in anyway. Age of Sigmar does have a level of strategy but it does not correspond to real tactics, trying to hit your enemy's flanks, tie up his ranged units. The tactics are very gamy, ie. have all your models in a perfect circle to stop something behind being charged. This isn't how real battles are fought, even at a skirmish scale.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The simulation stuff is neat but GW always took it too far and it resulted in bogged down games and ambiguous rules.

It's fine for a game to just be a game.

>2. A lack of respect for the player base. This is covered in 1. but basically I get the impression GW doesn't care. They want to sell collectable models and don't care about the game anymore, but they know out and out saying this would get them flak, so they have provided us with the bare skeleton of a game that requires no maintenance. It's more like something I would expect to find in a cereal box with some cardboard soldiers, not something the largest miniatures producer in the world would come up with.

I don't get this at all since they've launched the community site. Not to mention that various competitive groups have said that GW invited them to headquarters for either General's Handbook for AoS or possibly the 8th Edition of 40k to meet with the designers, play games with the new rules sets, and give their impressions on things that they thought needed to be changed.

GW isn't being 100% transparent, but also no longer do they seem to be containing themselves to people within the headquarters and possibly a select few around it and using that group as a basis for rules testing. I believe they've also confirmed that they are capable of and have checked out the various forums to see what people are saying about various things.

>>52925669

>Is there any reason to go with Engineer?

Because you want to play an Engineer?

...


If you are using the career rules straight out the book then for starters Engineer and Highwayman have different career entrances.

Also having access to more abilities and stats doesn't instantly make a career better, it makes it cost more XP to complete. Meanwhile the Engineer could have switched career again, for example to Pistolier (while keeping things like access to engineer weapons gained from being an Engineer).

Personally I wouldn't mind tweaking the career system as needed though to create the character the player wants if it makes sense, or indeed stopping a change if it doesn't make sense. (no you can't become a boatman while we are adventuring in the desert sorry).

>>52925669
>>52926161

Not who you are talking to but what would be a good career path for someone who wants to use firearms well? More 'Sharpe's Rifles' than 'Imperial Engineer' The sheer number of classes are a bit overwhelming there.

>>52919908
I fell into the UN definition of Poverty until 2010

>>52922382
even my dumb ass "Magic Accelerator" idea sounds better than your thinly veiled Dark Souls copy.

>>52926294
Hahahahahahahhahahaha

Hey so I'm trying to figure out a good army for warhammer 8th edition 'regiments of renown' ruleset. I have the following empire units I could stick in
Knights Wlances
Reiksguards
Greatswords
swordsmen
Archers
1 handgunner

I Just don't know what effectively kills stuff
I would love for bundles of halberders but it's a luxury I don't seem to have

I Often fight 100points of dryads or chaos

My usual list is an inner circle Knight leader, then an assortment of greatswords and handgunners.

>>52905857

Ok, so, this list has some glaring problems:

1) The warlord kit is completely off. Trickster helm on a t4 char is quite useless for 50 points, at least put him on a Rogre (which you can do since WElves have no artillery). Dawstone is quite bad, as your warlord has a 4+ armor save and everything in the WE book has armor piercing. Give him a 5+ ward save or put him on a war litter and add a shield if you want to run dawnstone, but even there against most lords it will be a rerollable 5 or 6.

2) NEVER, EVER run a Seer alone against Welves, they'll shred him. Don't put him into slaves either, as 5 ambusher on the charge will win combat against standard slaves AND if you run the seer is insta-dead

3)Engineer: the warp condenser is decent, the doomrocket is golden.

4) You're not running a BSB. This is bad. Very Bad.

5)The assassin can't run Brass Orb (which is quite useless anyway vs elves) and it's a terrible unit, skip it and for those point get a bsb and a couple of naked engeneer to boost that slave LD.

Core troops:

Slaves are ok, as Storm Vemrin (but if you run a BSB i'd recommend giving them another banner, mabe the Under Empire one, as 2d6 str2 hits are golden vs skaven).

Night runners are mediocre and bad in every way. Get some clanrats with a warfire thrower instead.

Specials:

Globadiers are laughably bad, overcosted, and in a block of 5 with D5 they'll run even from 1-2 wounds.

Get a single unit of gutter runner to pelt elves down.

Also, plague monks are pretty good against elves since they bring a shitload of attacks

>>52926196

You have a few options there depending on how exactly you want to do things.

If you are wanting to go full sharpshooter then Targeteer would be your goal but picking up gunpowder weapons on the way.

>Hunter - Soldier - Targeteer:
Would give you the best range of stuff for a skirmisher/scout "sharpe's rifles" type with a gunpowder weapon. The downside is being without the gun for your first career.

>Soldier - Hunter - Targeteer:
Similar to the above but you would have to spend an extra 100xp to move from Soldier to Hunter. Advantages are you wouldn't have to complete the Soldier career and you would get your gun right from the get go.

If you weren't so interested in the light infantry side of things (which is where I was thinking Hunter might be useful) you could simply go Soldier into Veteran then on into Champion.

If you didn't want to be a Soldier (perhaps personal taste or the setting would make that restrictive) Coachman, Ferryman and Roadwarden are the other Basic Careers with access to Gunpowder weapons and all three can exit into Highwayman for not too shabby gun user that has a firearm from the very start.

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>>52922061

Oh sorry, did not see you posted a corrected list. Here we go again:

1) warpolock pistol is unnecessary on GSeer, get another clanrat

2) Spears are not that useful, clanrat need to survive, not to kill, and you lose the 6+ ward save.

Mortars against elves are not that good, I'd get either throwers or ratlings.

So /tg/ which warhammer fantasy race would have best waifus? Ignoring the shit tier ones like dwarves and elves. So far I'm thinking the skaven likely have some pretty good waifus would be pretty.

>>52920002
Honestly it was better than rolling for charge distance.

>>52914133
Yes they are.

The book itself has some lore as well, and the army list are expanded.

>>52926769

Should have added that I would say Targeteer for the goal because it has +35 BS and fairly easy to get trappings. To be honest if I was GM I would say your gun from Soldier or bow from Hunter would suffice.

Champion allows for +40 BS but has much more difficult to acquire trappings.

If you didn't really mind having a lower BS but maybe more useful general skills then something like Soldier - Vagabond - Scout could work.

The advantage of starting with Soldier does mean you get a firearm rather than a blunderbuss or pistols while Vagabond and Scout both have fairly easy to get trappings.