Is there a complete list of PCs of James Jacobs that become Pathfinder

>>52887915
Literally who?

Obligatory "Have you tried not playing Furfinder?" reply.

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>>52887970
Pathfinder designer notorious for playing slutty female PCs like pic related who get turned into the main cast of NPCs in PF.

>>52888068

I don't think Ameiko was particularly slutty. Her original name was an embarrassment tho. The whole Paizo crew needs to work out their relationship with their anima, I don't want to hear more shitty SJW/feminist stuff from them.

>>52888127
What was the problem with her name?

>>52888179

It just didn't sound like a Japanese surname at all. "Kaijitsu" or something like that.

>>52888127
In the original module published in 2007 Ameiko is portrayed by an artisr in the most unflattering way possible. This was intentional since the artist is an avid roleplayer and found it was of very bad taste to introduce a Donut Steel in a published book.

>>52888206

Which artist? Wayne Reynolds?

>>52887915
Fun fact: In the original character sheet for Lilly she is described as being very stacked to the point her breasts were bigger than her head.

>>52888219
Back then Wayne was too expensive to be hired for non cover art. The guy who I am talking did most of the inner book art for Shadowrun second edition coreboom.

>>52888249

I know the pic you're talking about now. I remember it from back in the day.

Donut steels as NPCs I'm ok with... the use in Jade Regent was kind of eh. It wasn't enough about the actual PCs.

>>52888127
She's available for romancing under the romance rules in Jade Regent.

>>52888268

That doesn't make her 'particularly slutty.'

>>52888265
Jade Regent was an insult to the players and the whole APs ethos.
Your PCs are supposed to be the heroes of the story not guest stars on someone else's show.
Also Jade Regent had Shalelu which is is another JJ's Donut Steel which had an arc going through three APs none the less.

>>52888308

When I ran it Shalelu was probably the NPC I enjoyed playing the most, only because the player playing her human step-brother was fucking hilarious. It's less egregious with her than Ameiko, I think, because she's not the 'chosen one' like Ameiko is. She's just an NPC traveling with the party (who, in this case, had familial connections with one of the PCs), donut steel notwithstanding.

>>52888308
There is an easy fix of having the PCs play Ameiko, et al which is even suggested in I think the Player's Guide for the AP.

>>52888342
Yes but she is shoved in as in Rise of the Runelords (you rescue her stepfather from the Graul family), Second Darkness (you fight the green dragon that did kill her mother) and then in Jade Regent (because Ameiko is her BFF).
Although is not as bad as Areelu Vorlesh.

>>52888367

Yeah when I ran it one of the players was playing as her stepfather's son.

>>52888367
>Although is not as bad as Areelu Vorlesh.
Explain? She's a villain to kill and only appear in WotR, I thought?

>>52888378
Shalelu seems to be there as Jabba the Jacobs' ego stroke like Ameiko, Lilly or that abomination in Hell's Rebels.
Now, what I cannot stand is Areelu because she is an actual villain to defeat and Jabba the Jacobs designed her fight to be Necrommancer Games hard to win, as if he was disgustes his fetish fueles character could be slain by others.

>>52888420
>Jabba the Jacobs
he's fat?

>or that abomination in Hell's Rebels.
i stopped following the adventure paths by that time?

>>52888420

In general when a fight is challenging in PF I assume it's random chance rather than a design choice. They're rarely competent mechanically with their own system.

>>52888446
>muh largest playtest in history

>>52888227
Wait, these overly weeb characters are by the people who made the game?
That would explain so much about pathfinder

>>52888431
He is fucking obese. Manboobs and all unless he finally did that liposuction.
Back in the day Areelu was James most played character in a campaign which according to what Sutter told me:
"Could make you threw up and question the sanity of most of the game designers working in here"
Is well known James does have a fetish for demons and gers along with Reynolds because both have a huge ton of sick paraphilias (Satine Phoenix was lured into the hobby by him and she is a very hardcore dominatrix).
Sutter told me that James in character did shit you could only see in sickfuck hentay like parasites. He asked his cubicle to be moved to an area distant to the reunion room because the office's wall are cardboard-like quality and could hear the fatso describing the unsavory things his CE witch was doing to NPCs with all luxury of detail.

>>52888480
Was the magical girl archetype and the awesome sex prestige class not enough?

>>52888520

Pathfinder has a sex-based prestige class?

>>52888520
Those actually were suggestions and ideas from the social escorts hired by the senior staff time to time.

>>52888484
>He is fucking obese. Manboobs and all unless he finally did that liposuction.
His photo is good at not letting it on
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/James_Jacobs
Although it's from 2014 which might be after lipo.

>>52888528
Something like that is in Inner Seas Intrigue. The book has a few different feature sets that key off of "intimate physical contact" and "sexual attraction".

>>52888538
>social escorts
what like GFE?

>>52888555
I am talking about back in the early 2000s when Paizo ws still working for Wizards, back rhen he was a fat bastard who always replied to any suggestion on working out and doing diet to get somewhat healthy with a "don't need to if I have enough cash for a lipo".
There was a video on youtube from around 2010 or 2012 in which he shown to still have some chub that he did took down. A promo on Rise of the Runelords anniversary ed.

I only opened this thread for the titty.

>>52888579
As in expensive hookers.
Some cosplayers you may see in cons are actually social escorts, some already hired for promoting material and others just showing the goods so some sad sack game designer or editor who does big numbers hire her for some company and a hand job.
When 4th edition came and Paizo started to make cash someone came with the idea of hiring social escorts as a marketing campaign. The ideas was to do something like that asshole Zack's I hit it with my axe youtube series but true to be told they only wanted to hire expensive whores with company's money. The sad thing is that they didn't do much with them in the office except for a handjob as they sperg enough to let the hookers bamboozle them.

>>52888649
>The sad thing is that they didn't do much with them in the office except for a handjob as they sperg enough to let the hookers bamboozle them.
kek, hilarious

>>52887915
>Is there a complete list of PCs of James Jacobs that become Pathfinder NPCs?

I don't think we have a complete list because he doesn't publically announce which ones are his characters.

>Are they all girls?

There's an article back when Paizo did Dragon and Dungeon for WotC where he says he only plays female characters. His character for the Age of Worms character was a female cleric of Erythnul (I think) called Tyralandi Scrimm, who later got changed into a half-demon hooker.

>>52888659
Let me elaborate.
When they hired the hookers instead of explaining the truth (that they wanted to fudge after company service being pwrformed) JJ told them the service was exclusively companionship with promotional performance because he was paranoid Lisa could be recording the phone calls done from the office (and he didn't want ro do the call with his own cell phone because he is married).
So the hookers come, participate in a few game sessions during several weekends because no one had the balls to ask them if they were going to do an extra for a bit more cash.
Finally Reynolds decided to be the one doing the request and two of the hookers basically are lawyers. Huh-oh, we are fucked collective reaction when the escorts start exposing them what would happen to them and the company if they do such request again.
The handjob is something I still doubt that did happen because likely was Reynolds typical make up story.

>>52888484
>James does have a fetish for demons and gers
gers? girls?

>>52888765
Sorry for the typo: for demons and gets*

Actually there was this time his computer hardrive caught malware and wanted to do a format when there was in it some important files without back up in the hard drive.
The reason was thst he had a fuckton of commissioned porn art about demons fucking his characters and other office staff PCs which no one was aware of plus lots of guro hentai porn.

The brothel madam from that D&D module about polymorphing livestock into prostitutes is one of Jacobs' PCs.

>>52888908
the undead succubus?

>>52888966

I think so. Though she was not a full succubus when she was his PC IIRC. She was a succubus-blooded tiefling.

>>52888190
>It just didn't sound like a Japanese surname at all.
Is she actually from Japan

I mean, people make up fake Western-sounding names for PCs all the time

Rogan Balorganon

That's not even a captcha, I just made that up.

>>52888716
Do you know where I can read this or get some kinda of proof?

>>52888908
>that D&D module about polymorphing livestock into prostitutes
This is such a player character idea

>now that I'm high enough level to cast Polymorph Other, time to turn these cows into titty babes and retire
>DM: w-what about the prince and his evil twi-
>TITTY BABES.

>>52888908
Wasn't she a Yuan-Ti iirc? Aren't those straight up monsters?
>>52889362
Fuck it was honestly hilarious
>one of them gets loose and captured by pirates
>they procede to rape the fuck out of the poor polymoprh monster
>during the gang rape, a wizard uses detect magic 'cause he's bored
>decides to dispel whatever is on the chick
>the hydra then fucking slaughters everyone on board
This is something that happened in the backstory of the module to explain why a monster was in some wreckage.

>>52889385
I don't play 5E, but it would be more funny if the hydra had come to believe that it actually was a human prostitute (a la 2E rules) after it reverted to its true form, and THAT was the reason everyone was slaughtered.

>>52889449
This was a module for 3.5, not 5e.

>>52889488
That doesn't do anything to change the intention or nature of my statement.

It would have been funny to have a hydra who thinks it's a human hooker with the intelligence of a hydra.

Jacobs did some heavy duty retcons on Ameiko as well. When she was first introduced as an innkeeper in Rise of the Runelords she was described as a retired adventurer who while still attractive was clearly having her age catch up to her. There was also no hint of her mysterious backstory of mystery from Jade Regent with dead unknown parents and such. When Jacobs started to get the idea to make Ameiko the central character of Jade Regent he de-aged her and gave her a new backstory to make her more attractive, and made a post on the Paizo forum that this version now replaces the original version in the official canon.

So yes, instead of making a new character to fit the role that he was writing for the new AP he loved his own character so much that he made her young and hot retroactively just so he could write in the romance story for her in JR.

>>52889590
Isn't the new version of Ameiko older because her previous timeline implied she became an adventurer at 13 and retired at like 16?

The timeline of events was just off.

>>52888966
>>52889385
There were two, one zombie succubus and one yuan-ti. The succubus was Jacobs' one because it's name was the same as his Age of Worms tiefling cleric, Tyralandi.

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Was the petrified elf in HR one of his?
The one you find naked on her knees, mouth open and hands raised as if gripping "swords"?
The one that works out to a 36 point buy, and is a polymorph-redeemed drow turned aquatic elf dince birth, with all the features of both?
The one that's famous in the opera, has no points in bluff, diplomacy or sense motive and is trying to slerp her way to information from more competent Chelaxians?
The one that canonically keeps getting caught and killed horribly, only for her friends to repeatedly raise her?

Seems like his type.

>>52889304
I don't work for those disfunctional assholes anymore but if you look in Youtube for James Jacobs+Paizo you may footage of the game testing sessions they did show to the hookers.

>>52890018
>The one you find naked on her knees, mouth open and hands raised as if gripping "swords"?
I would prefer to see a screencap of this passage.

>>52890018
Yes. She is.

>>52889510
>ywn get the Int 2 hydra succ

Isn't this what bimbo fetishists want?

>>52887915
>>52888068
Wow, and I wondered who was the bad influence on Pathfinder and its players

>>52890018
You forgot that she does have a denonychus pet.

>>52890045
I'm only phone posting but if someone else can post it that would be great.

>>52890331
I bet JJ has a scene somewhere that she gets raped and eaten by it too.

>>52890459
Actually there was a PC mentioned in Ameiki's background which died vored by a huge sneek.

>>52889269
>Is she actually from Japan

Her father was from Minkai, which is Not!Japan.

Her real last name however is Amatatsu.

>>52890524
He didn't get vored. He got poisoned and died.

>>52890331
JJ loves dinosaurs.

>>52891067

It's actually because he made her very quirky, the embodiment of *raises spork.*

Fuck James Jacobs with a rusty spoon. The fact that he "redeemed" a drow and then turned her into an aquatic elf, only to use the ability modifiers of both races, discarding the penalties, is retarded.

Fuck him and fuck his spunky CG characters.

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>>52890018
>>52890045
She's not naked and she's holding a schimitar. It's not a euphemism. She was petrified while trying to defend herself
>>52892174
To be fair her story is
>be drow child
>adventurers roll up on your family
>kill you
>druid feels bad so she reincarnates you into a half elf.
The ability modifier thing is because of how reincarnate works, you keep mental stats regardless of where they came from. So a wizard reincarnated into an Orc body is still just as smart as he was before.

It's still cheesy as fuck to do for an NPC.

Everyone who ended up romancing Ameiko was in fact romancing James Jacobs.

>>52892346
It says a lot that anon recalled this passage as stating that she was naked on her knees as if she had just been the centerpiece of a gangbang.

>>52892472

Who cares? Ameiko is a sweetheart and a very nicely-done NPC if your DM has any competency in roleplay.

>>52892346
>It's still cheesy as fuck to do for an NPC.
It's cheesy for a PC. For an NPC it's just "wut. you can write any rules you like"

>>52892790
A PC has no control over what they reincarnate as.

>>52892556
Yep, gonna have a chat with my dm about magical realms if that's the real description. Not that I would be all that surprised by the pervy version but if paizo gave us something reasonable there's no good reason to go back to shit fitting JJ's tastes.

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>>52888765
>>52888793
>not getting hot and heavy when she lifts her felt and shows a little frame

Are you not men?

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>>52888206
Here it is.
>>52892346
Nigga that isn't even the main fucking problem. The problem is that this same PC has a fucking velociraptor as a pet.

>>52891067
Well, to be fair, dinosaurs ARE awesome.

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>>52892930
Yeah like you would turn down the chance to own a pet dinosaur.

>>52892930
There is canonically a dinosaur trade like a country away. It's not totally inconceivable someone managed to smuggle a few eggs into Cheliax.


People really underestimate how easy and often shit moves around Golarion.

>>52892930
Wait, I misremembered, >>52890331 is right.
>>52890018
>36 point buy
I once straight up rolled a 44 point buy character. He turned into a final boss for another campaign because I needed to get rid of him storywise in the setting.
>>52892963
I'd be more surprised that the thing would listen to me.
>>52892980
Wait, are you serious? Pathfinder is weird.

>>52892574
If your DM has any competency in roleplay they could make ANY NPC "nicely-done" without resorting to making some slutty animu knockoff character. People who defend poorly written inserts like Ameiko are what led to Pathfinder having such a horrendous fanbase, and it's amusing that people like >>52887970
continue to blame furries when it's very clearly the weebs who have infested the system.

>>52893016
Ameiko as written isn't even slutty. She's written as pretty much refusing all suitors, decling questions about romance, and is the hardest NPC to actually get in a relationship with in Jade Regeant.

>>52890018
Wouldn't all petrified people end up naked eventually? It's not like most petrification effects target non-living things.

>>52892997
Another factoid, the main form of transportation in the main city (I forget its name, but it's the one the Pathfinder Society has their main HQ in) is axe beaks, because they don't want to offend the island's large centaur population by riding horses.

>>52892997
>Wait, are you serious? Pathfinder is weird.
Yes there are two. The one I was referencing was in Varisia. Orcs bring Dinosaurs down from the realm of the mamoth lords to trade in Kaer Maga.

Dinosaurs also exist in the Mwangi Expanse which is !Africa, Cheliax has a trading colony there so that's another potential way she could have ended up with an egg.

>>52893066
>>52893088
Huh. I've only played in two Golarion campaigns, and both of them died within the first few sessions. I'm signing up for a Way f the Wicked adapted to 5e campaign. The more you know.

>>52893125
Way of the Wicked doesn't take place in Golarion unless your GM is transplanting it there.

Either way, hope you have fun with it. I heard it's pretty good.

>>52888716
Sounds like they weren't hookers, then.

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Paizo are so weird because they're so blatant about their fetish insertions and yet they try to play the "we're totally inclusive and SJW and please buy our stuff".

>>52893152
Does Reign of Winter take place in Golarion?
Because whoever thought the title 'Rasputin Must Die' was good for anything more than a Toon campaign concept deserves to have their desk cleaned out.

>>52893307
>still kept the tit window

>>52893362
Partially.

Reign of Winter starts in Golarion but you enter a portal that takes you to WW1 era russia. Earth is like in the 1910's in Golarion's timeline and THE Baba Yaga from our Earth got into some bullshit and teleported there and decided to set up shop.

>>52893417
>>52893362
Also the Egyptian gods, Cthulhu Mythos, and the Mad Arab all exist in Pathfinde'sr primary campaign setting.

>>52893417
Oh, that's such bullshit.
Who was in charge of writing that dumpster fire.?
>Brandon Hodge first stormed into the world of Pathfinder with his module From Shore to Sea, the first patronage project written for the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting. When not busy writing, Brandon owns a store specializing in gifts and esoterica and a steampunk candy shop.
>Lives in Austin
Of fucking course he does. I love my hometown, but goddamn if it's not hippie hell at times.
>>52893447
Because it's not a kitchen sink if we don't shove everything in, right?

>>52893457
>>52893417

Hate to break it to you, but real world crossovers were a thing in D&D back in the 70s too, and since the Paizo crew idolize that era that's what they went for.

For instance, the sorceress-queen Igglwiv in Greyhawk was really Baba Yaga's daughter Vassilia (I think) who had journeyed from Earth to Oerth at some point.

>>52893457
It sounds stupid but it's actually handled quite well. Reign of Winter and the more "pulpy" adventures tend to be much higher in quality than the traditional fantasy ones.

It's not like this is without precedent. There was a wizard in Spell Jammer that records adventures and shit and sells the tapes to Hollywood as movie pitches.

>>52893478
I'm not arguing it's a bad thing see
>>52893490

>For instance, the sorceress-queen Igglwiv in Greyhawk was really Baba Yaga's daughter Vassilia (I think) who had journeyed from Earth to Oerth at some point.
That is pretty much the lore behind Irrisen/Reign of Winter wholesale.

>>52893478
>>52893490
Alright, I'll lay off of it.
Just by association with everything else, I'm not bent on trusting it, but if you say so.
Besides, nostalgia goggles have ruined better things.

>>52888397
If she's the NPC I'm thinking of, you have to go really far out of your way to trap her soul or something so you can actually kill her, and becomes a demon lord or something if you don't go through those steps.

>>52893946

Meanwhile that same AP has you kill a major Demon Lord.

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>>52892930
>The problem is that this same PC has a fucking velociraptor as a pet.
Was this character created before or after Runaways was published

>>52893986
This is an epilogue thing to if I'm remembering right, so unless your DM decides to extend things a while, you don't even get the chance to put her down.

>>52893362
Their latest AP, Strange Aeons, has the final battle In Paris on top of the Eiffel Tower. It also straight-up says one way to continue the campaign is to continue using the Call of Cthulhu system, and even has some conversion rules for it.

>>52887915
As long as the succubus waittress in Curse of the Crimson Throne isn't one of his PC's, I'm content. I'm going to try and hold her hand tomorrow night, magical realm be damned.

>>52893395
Gotta let your girls breaaaathe!

>>52893395

With the ninja they removed the boob window.

>>52893362
>"It's "The, Vecna, The"...in German

>>52893066
That sort of makes sense. I mean, once you make a jump that centaurs are allowed to live in the city I could kind of see how they would be offended and therefore chocobirds are an alternate.

On the other hand, its kind of like saying you can have a pet monkey or gnome slave because ghey are too similar to people.

As far as dinosaurs, doesnt eberron have a culture of halflings that have dragons? I mean the dragonborn might be angry at keeping them as pets, so ita kind of bullshit.

>>52897883
*cant have a pet monkey et cetera.

>>52896245
That is not true.

Why is Paizo so shit?

>>52894203

If you're not able to use wish/miracle/trap the soul as a spell-like ability at 20th level/Mythic 10 you're doing something awfully wrong.

>>52898449
They're a bunch of uncreative cucks who sold their 3.5 hack as a "seperate" system, claimed to "fix" everything while failing to address the primary flaws in the system, are generally averse to criticism because they don't want people to hurt their pwecious fee-fees, they have no idea what's actually balanced, and they pander to furries and SJW's who would've otherwise had no interest in the game, which also fucked up the greater tabletop community as a whole.

>>52888908
What module is this from?

>>52899001
I am so grateful fro dnd 5e if only because less people will worship pathfinder.

>>52899022
I think that may have been way back when the Book of Vile Darkness was released for 3.X and Dungeon magazine had a sealed section "adult" adventure set in Skullport(?). Paizo latter went back to the city in either the second(?) adventure path they did in Dungeon.

Crystal's thing is trannies, africa and matriarchy
Jessica Price's thing is feminism, patriarchal original sin, Sarenrae and Qadira
Jason Bulmahn's thing is Caster supremacy
James Jacob's thing is CG rebels, Milani and Taldor needs a CG revolution
Mark Moreland's thing is whiteknighting and anti-technological advancement
Erik Mona is a retard that SKR told off a few times

Hell, one could argue SKR was actually one of the better employees there. Currently those laurels are resting on Mark Seifter and Stephan Radney-Macfarland

>>52899839
I heard SKR's public retardation is entirely the fault of someone else in the company, and he changed his tune quick when he finally got out

>>52888484
sourceless whoremongering gossipshill

>>52888555
>http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/James_Jacobs

I think he just has mr. Rogers syndrome. He puts out happy mellow vibes and people think hes a pedophile cause his cars always clean and he seems happy with half the salary you make.

>>52899906
Pretty much. A lot of the negatives he was known for were basically rulings passed down that he was in charge of defending to the public. The dude mellowed his stance on monks a lot, and when you look at actual class design, none of his were really overpowered or anything.

>>52899611
>Dungeon magazine had a sealed section "adult" adventure set in Skullport
You mean, like, how porno magazines are sold in a sealed plastic bag with a black stripe around the surface so you can only read the title?

>>52900000
Fucking checked

Jason Bulmahn:
>All of Core iirc
>Summoner
>Witch
>Oracle
>Shaman
>Arcanist
>Occultist
>Lead Designer for Occult Adventures

Knuckledusters in Adventurer's Armory? SKR
Knuckleduster nerf? Jason Bulmahn
Delegating Mark Seifter away from Unchained Monk? Jason Bulmahn
Nerfs to Core Rogue initially? Jason Bulmahn
Nerfs to tumbling, rings of blinking, quick draw, sneak attack etc? Jason Bulmahn
Crane Wing Riposte nerf? Jason Bulmahn
Admitting to not playtesting things? Jason Bulmahn
Mounted Vital Strike etc. nerf? Jason Bulmahn
Medium spirits nerfed from 54 to 6? Jason Bulmahn
Quickrunner's shirt errata? Jason Bulmahn
Ring of Ferocious Action errata? Jason Bulmahn
Brawling as a +3? Jason Bulmahn
Jingsa of the Fortunate Soldier nerf? Jason Bulmahn
Ultimate Equipment errata in general? Jason Bulmahn

By comparison, here's SKR:

Sean K. Reynolds:
>Brawler
>Skald
>Hunter
>Slayer

Stephen Radney-MacFarland:
>Investigator
>Bloodrager
>Swashbuckler
>Warpriest (though this was pet class of PaizoCon 2013 so shouldn't really count)
>Spiritualist

Logan Bonner:
>Psychic
>Mesmerist

Mark Seifter:
>Medium
>Kineticist

>>52900111
Fucking checked!

>>52900049
More like a sealed section in a standardized test packet.

>>52888308
huh now that i think about it that might be the best description of why i hate one of our group's game masters.
every game he runs i feel like our characters are just there to bare witness to his parade of glorious and powerful NPCs or villains.

>>52901189

GMs like that don't deserve players.

>>52893307
the phrase "assless chaps" triggers me. Chaps are designed to protect the front of your legs, they're not supposed to have asses. It's like sayin "shirtless hats",

>>52902198
Normal people don't care and triggering you spergs is always a giggle.
There's literally no downside here.

>>52899839
>Crystal's thing is trannies,
When has he inserted this beside the shaman iconic and the Wrath NPC plothook?

>>52904958

Fuck Wrath so much. Mechanically, that campaign was a piece of shit. All this SJW stuff just made the story terribad, and there was too much focus on NPCs and not enough on the PCs.

Fun Fact JJ's first published D&D adventure was a choose your own adventure.

>>52890023
video link?

>>52905099
how much sjw stuff was there in wrath

>>52888484
Proof mate, we need it for shit like that.
Also the porn'd be pretty grand, but mostly proof.

>>52890018
Yep.
Best part of all that is that Drow in Pathfinder are actually meant to be 100% evil to the core, tainted by the Black Fuckrape God of Murderdeathkill himself down to the very anatomy of their soul.
They have an entire adventure path about how all drow everywhere are always cunts with no exceptions.
Except his Waifu, because reasons.

>>52907270
Fair bit, it didn't become blatant, I think, until the first two adventures had gay couples (first one was a lesbian half-orc paladin and her trans partner, second one was a gay black priest and his white partner who had a horrible drug addiction or something). Which isn't necessarily bad, but they were very much shoved in your face.

Let's be clear here, they had the most basic, hard to screw up plot arc imaginable: good versus evil as heroes beat the shit out of a demon invasion. And they managed to fuck it up, you don't even FIGHT a demon until maybe 3/4 of the way through the first adventure. Iomedae in book 5 was probably the biggest offender in terms of story, but that's an argument that's been gone over and over until it's been worn down to the bone.

The biggest problem of Wrath of the Righteous, however, and I still maintain this, is the mythic rules. If you thought the story was bad, you have NO idea how fucked the mechanics are. By book 3 you're basically gods, nothing you face will even mildly bother you if you have more than two brain cells to rub together. By book 4 you can obliterate a CR 30 Succubus Queen (while being something like level 13-14 and 4-5 mythic tiers). By book 5 there is literally nothing in the PF mechanics that can stop you as written, the GM will have to pull out the cheesiest shit imaginable to inconvenience the party.

And that's assuming said GM actually DOESN'T go by the book and give you all the boosts and extra benefits that the adventure says to give.

Paizo has no idea how high-level play works, mythic breaks even the low-level play that they have only the vaguest ideas about, and their refusal to acknowledge how fucked their mythic rules were all the way through playtesting is abhorrent.

>>52899839
A friend of mine hates Qadira, though they're cagey about the "why". Can /tg/ enlighten me?

>>52907354
Recently had someone try to argue that killing a random lone drow was an evil act.
Dude, no, it's a fucking drow. I'm doing everyone a favour.

If all these fetish Donut Steele F-List profiles haven't managed to turn people off the game yet, where do you think the limit would go?
How far would you have to go with a dreadful fetish Mary Sue fursona before the fanbase would realize that the game is basically an F-List roleplaying system (or before every sane player quits the game and leaves Paizo as a cult that has to sell off Jacobs' bodily fluids and convince people they'll be reborn as their fursonas to profit)?

And if you had to achieve this by putting one single NPC into one single adventure book in whatever way you wanted (imagine that Jacobs thinks it's hot), how would you do it?

>>52907754
Qadira, as a society, does not make sense, largely because whoever designed their inheritance laws was an obvious SJW tumblrite who had not a lick of understanding about the repercussions of what he/she was writing.

>>52907767
I once created a plan for a Golarion game which involved dropping the Orc capital city on the Drow capital city as a LG character.
I still maintain to this day that it'd be a powerfully LG act if I at least tried to get the slaves out of both cities first. The GM and I sadly disagreed.

>>52907788

They have an actual furry supplement for making your fursona. Granted, it's by a third party, but Paizo still allowed it to be published.

>>52907871
They can't stop things from being published unless they infringe on the license.

I fondly remember the drow AP where there was an adventure where the PCs absolutely had to get themselves transformed into drow, often with genderbender transformations.

TFW a publisher caters to your fetish.

>>52907915
You must have been on this board long enough to know that you do not simply just talk about these things.
You leave a PDF link, for the purpose of the scientific enlightenment of the thread.

>>52907806
Straw patriarchy?

>>52907754
Qadira is Daddy's Money Land where women are all showered with wealth by their husbands and fathers their sons are given a sword and told to kill infidels until they get enough gold to buy a spoiled womanchild. The chief religion in Qadira is Saranae, Goddess of Being the Goodest Goddess. She fully supports Qadira as they for the past thousand or so years have been engaged in a war of violent conquest of their neighbors, Shitlord White People Land, which despite being listed as "neutral" is told to be super fucking evil because they don't let people worship the Goddess who actively supports the destruction of their nation. Religion of PEACE.

>>52907915
>>52907937
Someone make a thread for instances of gender bending in published /tg/ literature.

>>52907986
So, female entitlement: the country, with SJW: deity edition as the religion.

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>>52899906
I hate Jason Buhlman so fucking much

>>52907993
Whoever does that needs to have a piece, preferably multiple, of literature to start it off with.
I do it in my own novels, which are heavily Shadowrun-inspired, but they're not published and TG doesn't have a central role.

>>52908005
She is not specifically SJW, just comes off as weirdly hypocritical that as Generic Good Goddess she supports her pet nation in a war of conquest for centuries. A pet nation that shares a neutral alignment with their rivals, but is constantly portrayed as good and enlightened because they are sorta brown-tan instead of tan-white like those shitlord oppressive beardhaving patriarchs Taldor.

>>52907993
>>52907986
>>52907937
The only Paizo Drow AP I know about is Second Darkness, but I haven't read it.

http://havocx42.aura.feralhosting.com/Pathfinder/Adventure%20Paths/PF13-18%20Second%20Darkness/

>>52908038
Sarenrae has a nasty temper. She's directly responsible for the Pit of Gormuz and releasing Rovagug's spawn on the world, all because she lost her temper.

Gods aren't infallible. Paizo insists she is perfectly Good, of course, but there's obviously miscommunication in-house regarding it.

>>52907767
I mean there are canonically good drow. Unless it's an outsider they have free will to act however it wants, killing it without provocation is fucking evil.

Also metagaming, since 99.9% of people on Golarion do not know Drow even exist.

>>52908254
>Unless it's an outsider they have free will to act however it wants,
Where does this idea that outsiders never have free will and everything else does come from? I've never seen it in a published product, D&D or PF.

>>52908254
>Unless it's an outsider they have free will to act however it wants
Drow are literally soul-tainted by demon lords, anon.

There is a single example of a non-evil Drow that isn't JJ's pet character, and it's CN and a single line with no details provided.

>>52908038
>tfw Paizo tried to remove the Bearded

>>52908281
The original Drow were. Drow born and living today aren't. They just inherited the physical features, but aren't evil inherently.

>>52887915
I'd like to take that feather from her and use It to tease her tiddies and nipples while she moans about my soul.

>>52908456
>feather
That's Lavender anon.

>>52908321
Evidence mate. Give your sources.

>>52908321
>Drow born and living today aren't. They just inherited the physical features, but aren't evil inherently.

Drow are literally formed when an Elf gets too evil, it's one of the dirty secrets the Winter Council is trying to hide.

>>52907986
>which despite being listed as "neutral" is told to be super fucking evil because they don't let people worship the Goddess who actively supports the destruction of their nation. Religion of PEACE.

This isn't even true anymore, James Jacobs removed the Cult of the Dawnflower ban because they were too uncomfortable with the idea of Shitlord White People Land discriminating against what is basically Not!Islam.

In fact, one of James Jacob's biggest dreams for Taldor is to have an AP where... Guess, you play scrappy CG underdogs who fight against the system to remove the King and set in place a progressive, socially-active Empire that has made peace with their enemies.

>>52908721
>http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p3wo?ExiledRunaway-Drow#8
From James Jacobs himself. Good Drow can exist, they're just rare. They didn't write any to avoid accusations of copying a certain scimitar wielding ranger.

>>52908772
>Drow are literally formed when an Elf gets too evil
That's a super rare occurrence and that still doesn't change the fact that most Drow are born drow.

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>>52908787

Original Drow were formed from being concentrated nuggets of Elven evil after delving too greedily and too deep to Rovagug's lair. It only makes sense that the Pure Evil begets more Pure Evil.

>>52908300

They successfully removed the Bearded, and not before giving a smug side-comment about the name being inherently patriarchal.

>>52908800
>Evil begets evil, Mr. President. Shooting will only make it stronger.

>>52908861

Starfinder confirmed to have Multipass.

>>52908892
Wait, really?

>>52908905

It's a science-fiction setting which generally have "Omnipasses" so yes, Multipass is probably confirmed.

>>52907993
>Someone make a thread for instances of gender bending in published /tg/ literature.

Go back to /d/

>>52907993
>>52909016

Didn't White Wolf release numerous books that discussed everything from "male pregnancy, and the only reason you shouldn't include it is if the player doesn't want to *explore* that *aspect* of their character" or have characters that "present" as other genders or no gender at all, and if you don't include that in this game about murder you're kind of a monster?

>>52909047
Neo-Wolf/Onyx Path did.
Please don't conflate the post-Achilli White Wolf with the old one. Old White Wolf had a few SJW-flavored writers, but they were few in number, could usually take a joke and got made fun of by the older neckbeardy crew.
Mage 20th is an insult to everyone who's ever played an Old World of Darkness game. Even Aberrant, which was probably the most obviously SJW game that old White Wolf ever released, had a few lines amounting to "yes, there are trans/homo/whatever novas because erupting basically makes you into whoever you want to be, and people are too busy with idolizing literal supers (or frothing at the mouth about how normies idolize them) to care about the particulars".
White Wolf started suffering in 2004, where Justin Achilli took a more central leader role and started gutting departments left and right, resulting in a void of artists, writers and most importantly fans that ended up being filled from Tumblr.

>>52907993
>>52908019

Leave.

>>52909248
It's always fun to see people like you try to argue that your own generic scowling-white-men-fighting-scowling-white-men fantasy is for some reason the only pure fantasy, can trace its history right back to True Nordic History and has never been affected by the slightest impure or degenerate thought (which you're never able or willing to explain why is so bad).
Modern fantasy grew mostly out of the fusion of the 50's sci-fi fanzine community and the editors of Dragon Magazine, both of which are stuffed to the brim with genuine, no-shit fetish content like giantesses, TG, bondage, shrinking, polymorphing (animate and inanimate), fusion, furshit, mental domination, slaveplay, tentacle sex and God knows what else.
You can choose to create your own hugbox Puritan fantasy if you want to, but please don't revise the history of fantasy. There's no way to get around that fantasy was created by neckbeards with creepy fetish fantasies for neckbeards with creepy fetish fantasies, and if you don't want a part of that, go play neo-roleplaying games with Tumblr.

>>52892574
If your dm was competent he wouldnt run shitty modules.

>>52907915
I remember that, it was based on Drizzit's "adventures"

>>52897883

Halflings in Ebberon are like Native American plains nomads, but with dinosaurs instead of bison and horses. Only setting I've seen that tried to do something interesting with halflings.

>>52907993

Like only RPG books or novels based on RPG settings? Elminster spends most of one of the Greenwood novels as a chick, and of course there's Edwin/a in Baldur's Gate 2 and TOB

>>52908456
>tiddies and nipples

>>52908772
>Drow are literally formed when an Elf gets too evil,
And when one turns good she becomes an elf again. This was part of the lore since SD, long before this waifu.

>>52909371
>Modern fantasy grew mostly out of the fusion
Not him but what do you call modern fantasy?

>>52909124
>Mage 20th is an insult to everyone who's ever played an Old World of Darkness game.
I haven't played WoD. Explain?

>>52909760
>And when one turns good she becomes an elf again
Actually, no. They don't. I remember somebody on Paizo's forums brought it up, and immediately got yelled down for "you can't have evil people turning black and good evil people turning white" by Paizo staff.

>>52909836
It's literally in the adventure >>52908043

Educate yourself.

>>52909848
In the adventure or not, it was shouted down on their forums.

>>52909699
Does that novel deal with her getting used to being a girl?

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>>52908006
>People call 4e WoW edition
>PF dev literally citing their monk in WoW's animations as their rules basis

>>52909868
If that's true it was a retcon or one staff member disliking canon.

>>52907611
>first one was a lesbian half-orc paladin and her trans partner

Wasn't that the one that sold her Holy Avenger to demon-worshiping cultists to pay for a single gender change potion?

>>52910419
Women, always dragging down their partners and society.

>>52910419
Yes.

>>52910419

No, Radiance (the name of the Holy Avenger in question) was lost to the Cultists after the sword's wielder journeyed into the Worldwound to fight a one woman war against the demons.

The weapon the half-orc Paladin sold was just a bog-standard +2 Cold Iron Longsword - a family heirloom and thus holding sentimental value, but nothing as critical as a weapon blessed by the gods.

Honestly, if you sat down and read Irabeth and Anevia's backstories you'll see their less offensive and more "safe." Irabeth is a big-dicked hero of the Crusade purely because the Crusade HAS no heroes, and Anevia was a street rat that saw atrocity after atrocity before finding comfort and succor with someone that kinda knows what it means to be an outcast (as half-orcs are almost universally rape-babies or filthy tribals.)

If you want something to complain about, complain about Paizo adding a SECOND gay couple to the AP in Book 2 (a black man and his drug-addled twink) and making the sole white male human a privileged, entitled asshole who mansplains all the ding-dong time.

>>52910470
I knew there was a reason reading that part filled me with rage.

>>52910487
>>52910470
>>52910443
>>52910419

Do note that Radiance is just a +1 Cold Iron Longsword unless held by a Paladin, upon which it becomes a unique Holy Avenger that grows more and more powerful as the campaign rolls on. And it's worth noting just how much power the party gains as the campaign rolls on. Most APs end when the PCs are level 16, but Wrath of the Righteous ends at level 20, Mythic 10 - the highest you can possibly go in the system.

Irabeth, Anevia, Hogarth (or whatever his name was), they don't matter. They don't fucking matter. By the end of Book 2 the party (which will likely be a majority of white men) are the Heroes of the Crusade, people worthy of awe and admiration. You want a power fantasy? Try having deities come to you for help, or discovering you're actually the son of Shelyn or the daughter of Erastil. You want to rinse out the bad taste of the first book? Try going into Book 6 as a DEMIGOD and slaughtering Demon Lords, who are literally the abyssal version of Gods.

>>52907915
Now I want to make a 'Get Out' scenario with forced Mind Switches so white humans can experience life as noble misunderstood dark elves

>>52910541
>Try having deities come to you for help
Did you read that encounter, anon? Because it's less "come for help" and more TRUMPETS.

>>52910487
>and Anevia was a street rat that saw atrocity after atrocity before finding comfort and succor with someone that kinda knows what it means to be an outcast
sounds sweet

>>52910565

I absolutely did read that encounter, and it was obviously a sign of the writer's flawed vision for how that "cinematic" encounter should go more than that's how they envision Iomedae should act towards the last, greatest hope of the Crusades. Someone by Book 5 should have oodles of Knowledge (Religion), people by that stage of the adventure should be willing to answer truthly and based on experience (the oft reviled "can anyone be redeemed" question IS answered with "yes", but Iomedae expects you to hesitate before doing it because just flapping your noggin up and down is childish and foolhardy.)

It's making a mountain out of a mole hill that's being controlled by someone who probably knows fully well just how flawed the encounter can be.

>>52910619
>flawed vision
You mean canonical vision.

>>52910619
Fun fact, that encounter was originally written very differently and focused around roleplaying.
James Jacobs saw that and decided to 'punch it up' by adding the whole damage aspect and making it 'more of a challenge'

>>52910673

Yes, it's canonical, but I've been a part of enough haremshit conversations to know canon is often disputed or even hated by the community.

>>52910564
That's a nice idea.
Start with a framework of letting human male PC shitlords and "born wrong" Tumblrina self-inserts experience the suffering and brutal, organized discrimination practiced everywhere by everyone against the poor minor races for no reason at all, building up a properly Tumblr excuse for why it's racist, sexist, classist and homophobic to have a problem with it.
Then turn it into a full-on ride into /pfg/'s collective magical realms with the rails collapsing behind the train, with polymorphing, outfit changes, "learning" to live with one's new form, seventeen different kinds of mind control or personality change, God knows what.
No one is allowed to complain about the patriarchal human male fighter being forced to become a nymph hooker for the better part of a lifetime, the privileged CG half-elf bard having to go through an alignment change to LE and a race change to drow to see that the drow system is necessary to "pay back" the surface shitlords or the 18 INT shitlord wizard being turned into an INT 5 half-orc barbarian who's twenty grams short of snu-snu, because that's evil and racist no matter how obviously fetishistic it is.
I'd be willing to put in absurdly many hours of work to do something like this if it meant that the /pfg/ could actually make an illustrated adventure book with enough of a veneer of SJW politics to make Tumblr feel obliged to take a walk through a bunch of white male autists' magical realms.

>>52910705
>James Jacobs saw that and decided to 'punch it up' by adding the whole damage aspect and making it 'more of a challenge'

James Jacobs is an idiot who thinks you need to add dice to an encounter, what else is new. He probably saw the scene and thought, "you can't just get a goddess angry without getting a few scratches."

>>52910800
>I'd be willing to put in absurdly many hours of work to do something like this if it meant that the /pfg/ could actually make an illustrated adventure book with enough of a veneer of SJW politics to make Tumblr feel obliged to take a walk through a bunch of white male autists' magical realms.
>>52910705
>>52910673
>>52910619
>>52910565
That encounter as written would be more likely to have the characters refuse to help on account of the "great paladin goddess" coming off like an entitled little shit.

It doesn't help her case that she's ONLY a goddess because of Heaven's support, since Aroden bought the farm.

>>52910874
>It doesn't help her case that she's ONLY a goddess because of Heaven's support

She became a goddess before Aroden died, her claim to divinity was the Test of the Starstone and defeating Tar-Baphon, the Whispering Tyrant. That said, I agree she's a very, very boring deity.

>to have the characters refuse to help on account of the "great paladin goddess" coming off like an entitled little shit.

She only comes across as an entitled little shit if the party starts treating her like anything less than a goddess coming down to ask for aid. This doesn't excuse her behavior sure, but I'm saying parties that don't get funny with her won't see the bad.

Personally? I'm more surprised that people don't bitch about what she wants you to do; rescue her Herald, who isn't actually in need of rescuing, because he's embarrassed he got caught in the first place. Meanwhile, a band of nameless adventurers steal the Codex for the party, the single item that is needed to close the Worldwound.

>>52910937
>She became a goddess before Aroden died
It's implied in the Chronicle of the Righteous book that Iomedae, at the time or Aroden's death only a demigod, was able to gain further power because the Empyreal Lords were all lending her their assistance. It's claimed as "heresy" to Iomedaeans and others, but then again, Nocticula trying to escape being a demon lord is also "heresy".

>>52910937
Demigoddess.

Starstone gives you Mythic power.

Demigoddess is a step past that.

Goddess is a step past demigoddess.

Iomedae was step two.

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>>52911025

Paizo backing out of the claim that the Starstone gives you major deity status was one of the biggest things to kill my love of the setting. Nope, now it only gives you Mythic Power, you need the GODS to decide if you're worthy of getting a portfolio on top of it.

>>52911059
Unofficially that's been reversed on the grounds that James Jacobs included it in Mythic without asking the guy that originally wrote about the Starstone and was apparently dragged out into the street and beaten American History X style over it until he posted an apology.

>>52899413
Oh don't worry their trying to homebrew their fur shit into the new edition as we speak. Also pfg keeps bleeding into 5eg so it's a matter of time unless people go full /pol/ and just memes at anyone who tries.

>>52904958

She inserted a random "NPC is beaten for being gay/trans" moment in Murder's Mark. Also a very matriarchal sphinx.

>>52907871
>They have an actual furry supplement for making your fursona.
They made at least two sequels too.

>>52907611
>The biggest problem of Wrath of the Righteous, however, and I still maintain this, is the mythic rules.

This seems to be a problem with many of the APs. Not the mythic rules per say (though they are a problem) it's more the fact that a number of the APs introduce rules specifically designed for one AP. JR had the romance rules, Wrath had the mythic rules, Kingmaker had the settlement creation rules, etc. The problem is they never seemingly never give any thought as to how a set of rules might be utilized outside of of one specific AP, which is why we end up with broken rule sets that people won't use outside of the designated AP.

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>>52911324
My pc would initially be confused why the lady is being publicly beaten but start cheering when an npc tells him they're a man in disguise

>>52910783
Dude I just wanted some horror/comedy stuff, man. You need to lighten up a bit man, it's all good. Did tumblr like, ruin your playgroup or something?

>>52911081

James Jacobs apologized for what he wrote about the God Rock?

>>52911522

To be fair, they revamped the Settlement rules in Ultimate Campaign. We now have official prices on real estate!

Qadiran Inheritance explained:

You can have multiple concubines.
But they get access to the inheritance when you die.
You can have multiple wives.
But they also get access to the inheritance when you die.
Your wife can have multiple husbands.
And she gets access to the inheritance from each of them, when they die.
Your daughters inherit a portion of the wealth alongside your wives and concubines.
Your sons inherit nothing except maybe a horse and weapon.
In fact, your sons are tasked with a difficult job: they have to become successful, and have daughters to pass their wealth onto.
Which can be difficult when you start with jack shit.
The only instance your sons start to inherit a portion of the wealth, is assuming there is no daughters, and the wives split it up according to give him some.
But then your household is considered empty because it has no daughters, and if you die before having one, your house was clearly cursed by the gods.
Even then, this just assumes the wives and concubines listen to the plans you laid out for after your death and spreading out the wealth you accumulated.
There is also a dowry system. In order to marry a man's daughter, you have to pay him a dowry.
The Church of Saerenrae (LG Goddess) within Qadira has slaves. Its causing a schism within the faith, but technically their alignment has not changed.
They're "redeeming their enemies" and tolerant of slavery. Other than that there is no real reason to believe they are treated any different than Qadiran slaves typically are.

Enjoy. I probably missed some more retarded shit from it though.

>>52912425

The inheritance system is infinitely less retarded when you understand that the mother and daughters will probably love their sons or brothers and gladly give them inheritance, assuming they even need the inheritance as sons are expected to work with their father to become a successful businessman.

That's the big secret nobody wants to talk about; the sons are getting a raw deal but it's not like they're getting shat on.

Also, its canon that women VERY RARELY take more than one husband, being reserved only for the wealthiest of merchant queens.

>>52907611
Hol' up. The half orc was raised by loving parents on a farm. She knew nothing about rape or being an outcast. She was the most vanilla fucking hero you could ever find.

>>52907806
What are their succession laws?

>>52912687

Kings rule, but names are passed matrilineal.

>>52912425
>Church of Saerenrae (LG Goddess)
Sarenrae is NG which if anything is dumber because slavery could arguably be considered to be a Law/Chaos thing rather than Good/Evil

>They're "redeeming their enemies" and tolerant of slavery. Other than that there is no real reason to believe they are treated any different than Qadiran slaves typically are.

What?

>>52912727

Sarenrae is a goddess of redemption and second chances, yet she allows her followers to practice slavery.

>>52912727
>>52912744
It's more the second sentence I'm having trouble parsing. Who is "they" that isn't treated any differently than Qadiran slaves?

>>52912425
So you found the /tg/ copypasta that doesn't explain the nuances of each, got it.

>>52912744
American slavery is not slavery everywhere.
How are slaves treated in the setting?

>>52912853
>>52912554

I remember around the time that was first posted and there was an anon who got really mad when someone else suggested that people generally don't want to utterly screw over their families, repeatedly insisting that clearly no male would ever get anything from such an arrangement.

>>52912554
>the mother and daughters will probably love their sons or brothers and gladly give them inheritance
This relies entirely on the goodwill of the women though. And economics and societal/cultural impetus does not fucking work if it relies on people to NOT abuse the system for their own benefit.

>>52912660
I never said anything about her being raped, a rape baby, or being an outcast, anon.

I could about her father, who was an orc so intelligent and smart and an outcast who talked down and away all those mean bigoted white people who came to ridicule his family.

>>52912354
What would you do if I answered yes?
It isn't dead, it just ate up a lot of drama and tension during play. Everyone felt they should be walking on eggshells around the seven-mental-illnesses gender-special Tumblrite, who could have been a nice guy if his political beliefs weren't so martyred, venomous, hypocritically discriminatory, play-impairing and generally hard to deal with in and out of game. Since then, I've met a fuckload of equally venomous Tumblr retards, witnessed firsthand how they fuck up every game they touch, and witnessed exactly how much of an absurd push there is to overrepresent gender-special people and women in roleplaying, as well as how the culture breeds cancerous, circlejerking self-reinforcement and entitlement. I live in Denmark, which has a really bad SJW population and a large overlap between the proportionally very large roleplaying culture and both Swedish and Danish Tumblr culture - I would call myself informed.

>>52912954
Anon, your entire argument is predicated on the idea that everyone is as much a greedy shit as you, when the culture values family units and espouses the ideal of filial piety.
Stop it.

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>>52912954
>economics and societal/cultural impetus does not fucking work if it relies on people to NOT abuse the system for their own benefit

Anon, are you suggesting your average mother and daughter will ruin their younger brother by giving him nothing in the way of inheritance, should father die? A mother and daughter from a culture that adheres deeply to the loyalty of family units?

>>52913028
The only societies in which those systems tend to work over a long period are certain African and Asian cultures, in which you're either dead or as good as dead (exiled, ostracized, stripped of property, stoned, beaten to death) if you break the unwritten rules for personal gain without actually breaking the letter of the law.
I dare you to name a culture with formalized law and a centralized justice system that's been able to maintain a system relying on goodwill for more than two full generations.
The facts are that humans are either assholes, survivors or dependents. Assholes cheat when they can, and the survivors have to cheat to keep up when the assholes are supported by the law to protect themselves and their dependents. That's why functioning societies have either a strict centralized justice system with paragraphs for everything and no big loopholes or a community justice system with diffuse laws but community beatings when someone breaks the spirit of it without breaking the letter.
Human "decency" and "filial piety" can be upheld by most people, but when even one person can be allowed to get away with it according to the letter of the law, either the community needs to take the law into its own hands or start breaking the law to break even.
Anything else is doing away with filial piety and familial loyalty as some asshole wife, in this case, scams her sons out of their inheritance, marries only dying elderly men and starts amassing huge amounts of money to buy up businesses and wrangle your children into practical slavery.

>>52913177
>The only societies
>using real life shit as an example for a stated fantasy setting as though it applies
Naw, anon, you are just being a chump.
You got BTFO'd for propping up a meme post, and now are doubling down on being a retard. Your last (you), I'm getting my popcorn.

>>52913000
I would express my sympathy, and offer to buy you a beer/beverage of consolation if we were in a fine drinking establishment.

My current campaign has a number of middle class social justice sympathizers, and a single liberal feminist (by the academic definition) who is keen to remark on issues of the day. So there are some well meaning overtures at keeping speech PC. However, as the other players are mostly new, the table talk is far more rampant with "oh, this is just like X tv show" or "haha, let's make a straightforward innuendo" or "let's break out into a Disney song because you mentioned a lyric".

It's remarkably easy to recover from a non inclusive statement or a forgotten "or she" when the table is just as likely to immediately wander off onto some other ludicrous tangent. Or you can parley it into a Trump impression, my God that man is a fantastic lightning rod for hate. It's never been easier to not have to give a shit in front of activist friends when he commits a new atrocity every day.I highly recommend electing a bigot to high office, though maybe just stop at your Treasury Secretary or something harmless, etc.

>>52913000
>>52913319
Is this really a problem?
My game has 1 /pol/lack, 1 redneck, 1 black nationalist, 1 feminist, 1 high school teacher, 1 centrist, and 2 Cool Dudes.
We all get along at the table and have good times. It makes me wonder what exactly you all are doing wrong that you aren't having fun at your games.
I am the black nationalist

>>52912415
True but what I'm getting at is that a good 2/3 to 3/4 of the adventure path sets introduce some form of new rules that are designed to work with that adventure path and are almost always dropped afterwards. Its worse than the splat books of 2E because at least those saw in multiple adventures and homebrews. I have not heard of anyone adopting JR romance rules in other APs or even in their own homebrews, same goes for things like the mythic rules and pretty much every other AP rule set (Kingmaker excluded).

>>52913488
How does that group even form?

>>52913982
There is more to us then our politics, anon, mutual respect goes a long way and the real world != the internet.
I've had long, fairly pleasant debates with the others over our personal politics, and it's something I value personally.

>>52907871
I could take a shit on a piece of paper and say it's compatible with Pathfinder and Paizo couldn't do a damn thing.

>>52913982

Also black nationalists get along weirdly well with /pol/lacks if they agree that the best thing to do is stay out of each others' way.

>>52913262
Except I wasn't the one who made the original post, and fundamental human values and emotions are the last little thing keeping your fantasy world from becoming a complete wish-fulfillment fantasy.
If you put something in that exists in our world, it's assumed by literary consensus to be the exact same aside from where it's mentioned - and the reason you usually don't change basic human ways of thinking is that it makes it unintuitive and frustrating for players and GMs to predict and roleplay them, which in the end nips the game in the bud.
If you can't think of a better reply than "b- but I have dragons. I can also have perfect people who never do anything wrong when I want to agree with them", you need to ditch the 3.PF retardation and remember that roleplaying is fundamentally a matter of narrative.
If you can't create compelling characters, an interesting setting and an exciting narrative with your game, it has failed as a roleplaying game and only has a chance to redeem itself as a board or dice game.

>>52914325
>this game clearly dispenses with many real life similarities to the point where it must be taken at face value for the text
>nuh uh, everything is real life unless it says in text it's not!
>except all those things that don't make sense according to real life, like most of the weapons and armor crossover, hitpoints, AC, what can be done with skills
>continues to segue onto a totally unrelated tangent and treat games as component pieces with a "One True Way" argument
Continue to be BTFO'd, anon.

>>52909371
>Modern fantasy grew mostly out of the fusion of the 50's sci-fi fanzine community and the editors of Dragon Magazine

>both of which are stuffed to the brim with genuine, no-shit fetish content like giantesses, TG, bondage, shrinking, polymorphing (animate

>and inanimate), fusion, furshit, mental domination, slaveplay, tentacle sex and God knows what else.

I will grant that sci-fi mags from the 50 had a lot of those concepts, but Dragon Magazine, really?
Aside from the Snarf comic and some cover art, I would hardly call any of the issues stuffed to the brim with fetish content. I will need proof if I am to believe you.

>>52909836
Non evil drow are a holdover from Mystara when they were called shadow elves and the majority of the race was isolationist not evil (think grey elves and crank the xenophobia up to 11).

>>52914321
George Lincoln Rockwell was well respected by the black nationalists.

The argument about whether or not Qadirans would mistreat the males in their society is functionally retarded.

Legally, males are at a disadvantage within that society in the realm of inheritance.
Full stop.

Whether or not that disadvantage comes into play is an entirely separate question.

Sure, women likely won't fuck their brother or son over if you assume society functions not retardedly, but the capacity to fuck them over is enshrined into law, and you can't really just gloss that over by pointing out cultural mores.

>>52912391
James Jacobs APOLOGIZED?

>>52909047
Sounds like you're talking about the Demon book about demon children, which yeah, demons aren't human and aren't properly male to begin with any more than robots are technically gendered, and Beast, which pretty much nobody likes but does, indeed, include "If you're not cool with the murderbeast, you're basically an MRA".

>>52909789
Anon just hates new things or changes to old ones. its called an edition war

>>52917925

What beast is this?

>>52900178
to be honest, Medium and Kineticist were the two most promising classes from Occult Adventures, and I'm disappointed they were BOTH hamstrung by development constraints. Though we did get the house of fun-stuff that is the Occultist and the "fuck it do whatever you want with it" Spiritualist out of it.

>>52887915
Just saying, well her tits do look nice, they are also horribly misproportioned given her bodies angle.
Source: I'm an actual, *real* artist.

>>52918696
Both of those were basically Hamstrung by Jason Bulmahn. Mark's night time posts basically illustrated how he wanted it to work. Like he would suggest "house rules" that he would allow at his table.

>>52918770
Got any particular instances of those houserules? I'd be interested in seeing them.

On another topic, at least the Kineticist has gotten a LOT of love from third-party developers. Shame that none of the other Occult classes have gotten the same attention

>>52912554
You sound oddly similar to Muslims who argue that the death penalty for homosexuality or apostacy is okay because it is only a guideline that Shariah courts can choose not to enforce.

>>52918952
Sorry don't remember them all. But here's some:

"Overflow et al should definitely add to the blast's CMB when you're making the attack, imo"

"If we include the wood element in any new book, it will be certain to have basic phytokinesis, as well as positive blast, verdant blast, etc. "

You'll have to run through all his posts if you want to find them.

>>52908772
>you play scrappy CG underdogs who fight against the system to remove the King and set in place a progressive, socially-active Empire that has made peace with their enemies.
Because doing that multiple times is a fun thing and all.

Fuck I ran my own Taldor campaign years ago and it didn't need playing plucky CG heroes.

Instead it had to do with Alkenstar demonstrating the power of their guns en masse by its first wholesale purchase of firearms to Taldor, their ambassador being a shifty political mover who just is trying to make sure Taldor doesn't fall apart from their own decadence, and a proxy war with a Galtan mob led by Eagle Knights.

>>52899413
Lol being grateful that somehow an even worse edition was made than Pathfinder.

>>52907986
That sounds like pre-Bronze Age collapse Greece. A culture which completely shattered as soon as they hit an economic downturn.

>>52887915

uhm...

does he live, like, near seattle?

i know a James Jacobs that fits the description >>52888068
gave

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>>52922089

>>52922233
Yup. He lives in seattle.

>>52892963
Raptor Jesus does not approve.

HE WENT EXTINCT FOR YOUR SINS

Fuck I just lost The Game

>>52899839
>Crystal takes nigger cock 24-7
>Jessica Price is a full tumbrina/cosplayer Hillarionite
>Jason Bulmahn is a virgin
>James Jacob supported the Arab Spring
>Mark Moreland is a hippie regressionist and likely Druid
>Erik Mona is /ourguy/

>>52922508
Not sure about Mona. SKR has told him off a few times about shit like the Belt of Feminity/Masculinity.

>>52900000
Checked.

>>52900149
Skald is such a good class.

>>52909124
>an old WoD fan
>i read this post

you have reminded me of things i really, really wanted to forget....

>>52922610
>SKR has told him off a few times about shit like the Belt of Feminity/Masculinity.
Is Mona the guy who got told the Girdle is cursed for a good goddamn reason?

>>52922722
I think that was Buhlman, but Mona might have been in the thread as well.

The reason was, I think, that the girdle doesn't give you a choice in the matter when putting it on.

>>52900149
>We could've had a binder clone themed around a legit-kinda cool Tarot deck knockoff
>Instead we got the medium as is

All the classes SKR designed have actually been pretty good. Jason Buhlman's two really good classes have been maybe Oracle and Occultist, and that's it.

>>52922931
RIPIP Harrow Medium. ;_;7

>>52922927
I thought it was one of their forum posters going 'having your sex changed shouldn't be a curse, because some people want that', and SKR stepped in to slap them down with the fact that the Girdle doesn't give you a choice and tries to pretend it's something else.

Never mind it's got a 10% chance of removing all sexual characteristics entirely.

>>52922977
I've been ATTEMPTIG to homebrew the Harrow Medium back, but it's slow going and difficult to balance. Coming up with unique and appropriate powers for all 54 spirits is daunting enough.

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>>52899839
That sounds like a bunch of people I would never want anything to do with. Glad they're in charge of the second biggest TTRPG franchise! Only good things can come out of that!

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>>52922722
>>52922927
Nevermind we were both wrong.

It was Mark Moreland and F. Wesley Schneider.

>>52888367
I miss the Vancascerkins.
Well, I mean, using 'hate the least of all recurring NPCs' as a definition of 'miss'.

>>52889605
Yeah, the timing of several events in RotR always struck me as a bit off (not that it matters since, like way too many modules, half the shit they talk about won't ever come up).
Never read Jade Regent - did they literally erase her Wrath-corrupted Dad killing her Mom, and declare that no actually she has secret royal parents? I'd assumed they just declared that her family had secretly been the heirs all along; very little backstory change necessary with that.

>>52892997
People constantly bitch about how every country is just one giant stereotype sitting next to another giant trope factory, and yet nobody thinks about the consequences of all these tropes bouncing against each other.
(Then again, given that we're supposed to believe that almost all of these places have existed next to each other for Four Thousand Years and kept basically the same identity for all of that time (with like for exceptions), clearly they didn't think about it either.

>>52907611
I personally loved the fact that the book on Mythic Rules they just released talked about how difficult and impressive it should be to get a Mythic Tier, how it should feel like something right out of the Heroic Journey or whatever, but in Wrath it's just some magic rocks that give you a fucking power-up.

>>52924152
I've heard some rejigs on tg that I've liked in that regard.

>>52924644
Any that come to mind?

>>52924106

Nah, her dad was a descendant of the not!Japan royal family.

>>52924261
Now lets be fair, the event is a bunch of demonfags shattering some turboartifact tier bullshit, even a single wardstone is an artifact and the PCs are already special in some general sense (Being literally Jeebus for example) before they get hit by Cosmic rays and turn into the Fantastic Four

>>52926498
>the event is a bunch of demonfags shattering some turboartifact tier bullshit
It's not a turboartifact.

>>52924023

Them ant the Blakros family are honestly two of my favorite recurring NPCs in any game.

>>52922508
What's wrong with supporting the Arab Spring anon?

>>52931257
Destabilized Libya
Destabilized Yemen leading to a civil war
Destablized Syria leading to a civil war and ISIS
Functionally wiped out Egypt's secular middle class
Destabilized Iraq leading to civil war with ISIS
Starts the European Migrant Crisis

>>52932872
>Libya was part of Arab Spring
>Not just the West flexing its muscles because it loves war
>Egypt's middle class was wiped out by the Arab Spring
>Not by the counter-coup that the west all-but-endorsed because they didn't like who won the elections
>Iraq wasn't already unstable since 2003
Like, I get that Europe is scared of brown people, but, wew lad.

>pathfags literally put official book NPCs into their games instead of making up their own like you are supposed to
Really says everything you need to know about these people.

Boyo, if I'm running an adventure path full of premade NPCs, I'm not going to go and remake all of them just because. The whole reason I'm running s path is because I don't have time for that shit.

>>52888342
Was running 2darkness
Someone who had never played wanted to try but didn't want to build a character. I buffed the tiefling bard in OP up a level, gave a cheat sheet with her motivations and a couple personality notes, and handed it to the new player. They had a blast.

>>52888268
Jade regent has "romance rules?"

Are they any good?

>>52933543
Yes

___No___

>>52908892
>>52908905
>>52908915
What are you talking about? Multipass? Omnipass?

>>52933543
Yes, they exist. And no they aren't particularly good. They aren't an absolute travesty,but your much better just RPing out building relationships.

It's ironic this is used to call Ameiko "slutty" because she's actually the hardest to get intimate with. She has a romance score of like 40 while most other NPC's have one of 20.

>>52934806
Also if you want to talk subsystem travesties, the fucking CARAVAN rules are pure horseshit.

>>52909371
>Modern fantasy grew mostly out of the fusion of the 50's sci-fi fanzine community
The shitflicks you read maybe did but the fact that you call them Modern Fantasy is fucking hilarious. Let me draw a clear picture for you:
Author starts with Greek/Norse/whatever mythology, reads whatever corpus of classical works, then studies what Lovecraft/Tolkien/Cook/Jordan did right and wrong -> he produces Modern Fantasy.

Author starts with 50's fetishit, faps to some giantess tentacle porn and thinks "I can do better than that, just add transexual furries" -> he produces shitflicks.

I hope you don't need a fucking mapfinder society to understand the difference.

>>52934842

Yup. I think they were purposefully trying to make Jade Regent like a latter-day Bioware game, with shitty NPC romances and party members who overshadow the PCs because they're authors' pets.

>>52913136
>>52912940
A surprising number of Anons seem to come from broken homes.

>>52935294
Bitrate hasn't put out a decent game since Jade empire. I blame EA.

>>52935577

ME 1 was good, imho.

>>52935629
Eh. I'll grant ME 1 was alright. ME 2 and 3 I didn't care for, and I didn't really care for any of the dragonage games.

IMO Bioware went down the toilet when EA bought them out and they lost a lot of key people.

>>52935676

I agree. ME1 was mostly finished by the time of the buyout tho.

>>52914433
not that anon, but asking me to accept that dices cannot perfect-model reality is not the same as asking me to accept that bullshit society models work.

Also, you don know that constantly saying 'you r BTFO' does not make your opponent BTFO, it
just paints you a retard unable to conduct a proper discussion', right?

>>52918727
post your art (with tits) or gtfo