/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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First for first denial

>>52862118
>ywn hear IT AINT ME as you butcher Psyker scum alongside your brothers and qt null maidens

>>52862149
GET OUT OF MY LEGION

>>52862208
You ain't no fortunate astartes?

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>>52862149

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>>52862208
>implying I don't have a Siege Breaker nicknamed Agent Orange leading sniper chem-flamer vets squads into an Eldar jungle to burn the world in style

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Get your hobby on pick up a paint brush not your cock and post actual content lads. What are you working on? I'm rebasing and attempting to make playable Magos Coatls force for this coming weekend

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>Could have easily fit Slaaneshs' profile on the screen
>Tuck him away instead

I see what you did there, GW

>>52862543
Well Slaansh is also the god of tucking 'things' away for that added shock of the suprise reveal :^)

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>>52862055
NO mention of the glorious Slaaneshi hijackings that have occurred the last two threads? You disappoint me.

>>52862149
Doing god's work Curzefag.

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>>52862617
All you horny faggots derailing a perfectly decent bread should get a room and fuck off to there already. We don't have to hear all the information about your fucked up fetishes thank you very much.

Anyone know how long the 16th Legion has been without Cthonian influence?

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>>52862208
>>52862346
>>52862490
I don't remember Solar Auxilia being traitors. No gene-enhancements, no martian-forged bodies, only lasrifles, diver suits and guts.
Everyone's a hero when there's nowhere else to run. Let's show them the love FW won't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
Marines are born for the Great Crusade
Ooh, they're red, black and blue
But when Lord Dorn says "Terra is in need"
Ooh, sail away from you, Emps
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no Primarch's, son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no
Some folks are born psychic bolt in hand
Emps, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the Wolf king comes to the door
Emps, the planet looks like a rummage sale, yes
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no legionnaire-son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no
Yeah, yeah
Some folks inherit all the sand of Mars
Ooh, they send their thralls to war, Emps
And when you hear them, "For the God Machine!"
Ooh, they only praise it more! more! more! y'all
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no tech-savant son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no legionnaire one, one
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no Primarch's son, no no no

>>52862793
>Let's show them the love FW won't.
Except SA are really good, with awesome models and strong rules.

>>52862793
>Everyone's a hero when there's nowhere left to run

Forge World does have it gold

Also, your song, fucking brilliant, /tg/ does get shit done

>>52862541
What's your list like, anon? Especially that Destructor squad
I'm glad you like the name. Cóatl is nahuatl for Snek
>>52862617
I'll never mention derail attempts
>>52862923
As in, I think the guy who did them doesn't work at FW anymore. Expect marine updates like in the last three books, but no more mortal ones.
>>52862942
Thanks.

>>52862923
Strong tanks mostly. SA infantry is severly lacking in options sadly. There are dudes with lasguns, dudes with volkites, dudes with axes, dudes with flamers, command dudes, and that's it.
If they didn't use like ALL the IG tanks FW makes and then some they'd not even be a fully fleshed out army.

What do you guys put on to the other shoulder pad? I mean other than the obvious Legion symbol pad.

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>>52862713
If you didn't want to hear about people's fucked up fetishes you shouldn't have come to /d/lite.

>>52863102
But that's not about a fetish!
That's supposed to be fun!

>>52863135
>phosphex cummies from Mortarion's heavy assault boner
>not a fetish

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Favorite act of Chaos legions trolling?

>>52863196
I-it's funny because it's ridiculous, leave me alone!

Sup /hhg/, a couple weeks ago I was asking about using Custodes rules as hyped up Blackshields astartes, for the most part most of you were okay when I initially asked provided there wasn't a decent fluff backing for it. While haven't had to much time (it's amazing how when on a family vacation you have less time indulge in your self at all) to work on fluff, I was looking at rules and possible army ideas

Something I came across though was that if you allied into Marines (I will be using g basic legion stuff as the base of this "Blackshields" force and yes I know custards can't technically ally) something caught my eye in that how fucking retarded would it be to run guardian squads (or any custard) in a dreadclaw?

>>52863268
Very, yes.

>>52863268
Allies can't start a battle in each other's transports though. So thankfully it isn't possible.

Good to see the SA getting some love in here

Does anyone know how they compare in size to plastic and resin Guard kits? Are they chunky like Cadians or more historic 28mm like Kriegers and Elysians?

>>52863421
Chunky. They're much bigger than Kriegers and Elysians. Looks like FW gave up on truescale 28mm.

>>52863310
>>52863383
Figured it was disgusting

>Allied transport
For the sake of clarification, doesn't that only apply to dedicated transports? If you were to buy a dreadclaw as a fast attack option, wouldn't it technically be allowed?

This is a fluff army/play with friends (because you can't take Custodes as allies)

>>52863502
Shame, but they look good enough that I'm not gonna complain. They got that armour for days going on as well.

>>52863511
Transports means transports, meaning ALL tranports.

>>52863552
Oddly enough some SA models are taller than FW's own marines. So much for "I loves FW because they do truscale" lol

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>>52862976
well it now also has 4 Snek cyber occularis being added in haha! and yeah totally running with the Coatl theme/name now

>>52863894
>Sneks with stabby knifes

Holy shit that's like two steps up the terrifying scale.

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>>52863894
>Literal Don't step on me Occularii that will Intercept-shank you if you do
I like you, Magos.

>>52862055
So I don't know anything about this, but is Horus some guy with a horse head?

>>52864164
...he is not.

He is, however, a poopyhead.

>>52864204
>t. Sanguinius

>>52864164
No, he's some guy with a horse fetish. And history's worst recorded case of daddy issues.

>>52864164
>horus
>hor_s
>that big spiel about the sagitarrum constellation in Horus Rising

Shit, guys, how did we go so wrong? Horus and his whole brood have been equines the entire time

>>52864265
Why were they not called the Luna Horses?

>>52864265
I heard they got the name of the protagonists of the first couple HH books mixed up. Garviel Loken was initially slated for the Death Guard.

The Sons of Horus' 10th company captain was gonna be called NEIGHthaniel Garro

>>52864398
RULE VIOLATION
RULE VIOLATION
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO POST PONIES

>>52864408
It might seem very realistic, but if you look closely I think he's just wearing a mask.

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>>52864429
Oh

Well don't fucking scare me like that again, anon.

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>TFW building parts for a model your gaming group is going to despise

>>52864474
I now have a mental image of a cannon that shoots space marines.

>>52864463
I think it's a photoshop. I can tell by the pixallation and from seeing quite a few photoshops in my time.

>>52864494
He posted this in the wrong thread.

This is the weapon Belisarius Cawl has been working on for the past 10000 years.

>>52864474
>tfw you're supposed to think he's talking about the Titan, but he's actually talking about playing Custodes

>>52864636
Man I WISH bolterstodes were OP.

>ywn purge the plebian marine scum with your Emperor-crafted bolters
>ywn be the troops choice for an AoD CAD

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>>52863894

>>52864844
Custode/Titan poster here.

I fucking love Sagittarum, and have 10, but it's a shame they're very mediocre for their cost and wargear. Make them the standard 55 points and they'll be balanced. A base squad of 5 shouldn't run more than 275 points.

>>52864636
I don't think my friends will like 3 D spam weapons on my Reaver; but thankfully it's magnetized.

>>52863070
I second this, I was planning on doing Alpha Legion. Should I do a hydra on one shoulder and the Alpha on the other?

Any guides for getting wear and tear on the models for absolute beginners? Not the guy who posted IW last thread but my first set of marines have that same new look and I'd like to fix that.

>>52865381
>painting your Alpha Legion as Alpha Legion

>>52865850
no one would expect it.

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>>52866008

Which plastic baneblade variant would you use as an LoW in a space marine list? Iron Hands specifically.

>>52866068
Baneblade classic unless you know your list needs a particular variant, i.e. a WE stormlord party bus or a spartan-popping shadowsword, although the fellblade is both better in looks and performance, and an actual space marine vehicle. Go get some china if you're cheap

>>52866068
Stormlord, probably.

>>52865282
No, even at 55 per dude they'd be pretty fucking terrible. Make their gun 36" Salvo 3/3 and we can talk, give them Sniper to match their fluff and they might actually be worthwhile to bring instead of literally anything else except maybe Guardian Squads.
FW, y u no internal balance?

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>>52866141
stormlords 4 days

>>52865758
Ask /WIP/, they'll probably help you more than we can here in /hhg/

>>52866668
Does that Word Bearers player post here? I think I've seen those Gal Vorbak before

>>52865758
Duncan may be a meme but WHTV has lots of great guides for beginners. Here's some videos that may interest you.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Onspoa5N6Zw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7MbQMwnjqik

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NVx62P6LLPg

>>52863202
IW ambushing AL in Tallarn Ironclad was a nice twist.

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>>52866735
nah I don't think he posts here, but he's the only 30k player I play against so most of my pics are with his dudes.

>>52866068
If you can take it, the Hellhammer has always been a personal favourite. Not perhaps as iconic as the regular Baneblade, but what you hit will almost certainly be dead, which is what you really need from something that expensive. Also nice against Mechanicum or Custodes, where you'll be forcing invuln or die or just flat out eliminating whole units of Thallax and Myrmidons.
Stubby turret means you can feel somewhat safer than normal getting up close and personal, too. You can't do the Mechanicum trick of granting the whole damn thing Interceptor, but you can make it regenerate.

>>52866668
>3.84 MB

Here's the thing
I like the idea behind the guard of the crimson king
Magnus with Terminator troops, Dreadnoughts plus some of those robots and blade cabals sound awesome

I've heard some pretty bad horror stories though, is running this kinda thing really that bad? I mean it looks powerfull but also has a lot of limitations

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>>52866068
Shadowsword is sexy as fuck.

>>52867219
The limitations are largely irrelevant because you were going to abide by them anyway.
Sekhmet compulsories? They're one of the strongest units in the whole game, are cheap and scoring. Who cares?
More Infantry than vehicles? Aforementioned Sekhmets and a whole bunch of your squads are psychic, plus you can still bring all the vehicles you want as long as you have them as DedicatedTransport, which evens out numbers with the squad inside it.
ML3 Praetor or Magnus as Warlord? Magnus can probably win the game by himself and you want to squeeze mastery out of every HQ slot anyway.

In return you make all those Sekhmets tougher by quite a margin and gain all the benefits and none of the drawbacks of Orbital Assault and Primarch's Chosen.

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>tfw you find your new waifu

>>52867292
I'm confused as to who's that supposed to be? it's got the fist so I want to say Dorn, but it has the laurels so emperor?

>>52867292
>Only one eagle

That ain't the Dorn I know

>>52867292
All FemPrimarchposters need to be banned.

>>52867091
Ahhh might be that, I recognice your dorito dancer

>>52867219
>limitations
Which? More infantry than vehicles? Oh, bohoho, that surely matters for a psychic legion. No allies? Allies that would likely not contribute to the psychic fuckery or do something that can't be replicated by the TS themselves better anyway. Mandatory Mastery3+! Yes, that sure is a downside.
And what do you get? The best terminators as troops, more reliable psychic fuckery, free deepstrike and a freed LoW slot, none of which are insignificant.

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>>52867383
Perhaps this is more to your liking, then?

>>52867395
GOTKC with a ML3 Praetor I feel is alright. For one, your praetor will cost you 250 points or more. You already are paying half of Magnus.

Sekhmet are compulsory troops, meaning your Praetor's Arcana must match the Sekhmet's. So you are forced into Raptora. You're going to be casting on a 4+ unless you buy into the shit Telekinesis powers.

You could still spam Sekhmet, but IMO 2 is the sweet spot anyway.

>>52867472
>nerd
>thicc blacc dude
>david bowie with wings
>goth trucker
>ugly ginger
>autist with a momcut
>University professor who thinks he's still hip and happening
>male ballerina
>that one friend of a friend thats permanently losing and gaining their faith
>what people think irish mafia look like
>what your grandma thinks punks look like
>owns a strip club
>bouncer at the strip club
>/k/ autist with an engineers dress sense
>depressed dude working a job he hates
>chemtrails control your mind, duuuude
>if i take off the hoodie will he die?
>white elven morpheus

>>52865381

That's more or less what I'm doing (though it needs to be the alpha/omega combined symbol). I made one out of plasticard using my incredible scalpel skills, and used that to make a press mould. It's still a bit of a bitch, as you kind of need to trim off a load of flash for each one, but it looks great. I did the same thing for the hydra pads because I'm a glutton for punishment, and I don't really like the FW ones enough to pay £1 a pad for them.

Are Primarchs bald, or shaven?

>>52868246
They are never explicitly mentioned shaving but there are mentions of them having stubble/5 o'clock shadow after they have one of their trademark strops and hide from their legion for a bit. So I imagine that they shave.

I believe Russ in Wolf King and Lorgar in The First Heretic are two examples of this.

>>52868246
>>52868295

Most of the primarchs have hair anyway, right? The only confirmed bald/shaven ones are Horus, Lorgar, Alpharius, and Vulkan, with Pert, Angron, and Morty unknown because their hair is covered or replaced by tubes/nails/a hood.

Notably, that list is almost all traitor. Perhaps it's like chaplains and the ecclesiarchy in 40k, in that the shaven-headed marines of the Imperium have adopted practices that were exclusive to the heretical back in 30k.

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>>52866068
Magnetise between stormsword and shadowsword. Gets you either a D weapon or an ignores-cover-AP2 big blast, depending on which you need for a particular battle, and you only have to buy a single kit.

>>52868613

You can fully magnetise a baneblade kit if you hate yourself and have too much spare time.

>>52862541
This week I want to start painting my Night Lords, having finally amassed a full list and finished building it Just need to finalise a paint scheme I'm happy with. Also have a thousand points of taghmata to finish painting.

>>52862541
I have to finish a ten man squad of mk III, 4 tartaros terminators and 5 guys with plasma guns before the fifth of may because I'll get erebus and kor phaeron and a spartan for my birthday. So much work to do for my Word Bearers!

Do you guys use FW rhinos and vindicators? They look really ugly to me. While land raiders, predators and superheavies are cool, rhinos are just like the old models in a bad way and the vindicator looks retarded. I don't know if that's just me, what do you think?

>>52868900
I think GW rhinos look better and FW vindicators look better. However my autism won't let me use GW rhinos.

>>52868945
Why? They were certainly around, not like Mars only came into being post-heresy. If anything, there'd be more Mars Pattern around, it's much bigger.

>>52868945
>>52869056
I feel the same, like people would think I am a cheap ass buying those like if I were using mk VII marines... I know it's stupid guys but I really feel bad

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>>52868780
>>52868815
Smash it Anons, get in and start batching that shiz up and then post the pics. Magos Coatl just hatched a litter, if he can do it anyone can!

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>>52869092
Painting these sons of ultramar heads as trophies for my tartaros at the moment. Calth veterans is a cool theme for my army right?

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[urge to be a chucklefuck rising]

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>>52869128
oh hell yes fuck those smarmy blues

>>52868430
>Bald/shaven
I thought they shaved, except perhaps post Davin Horus since he became a slave to baldness.
Maybe Lorgar has curly hair and Vulkan would have long flowy red hair but he doesn't think it'd look good on him, plus that's the one bit of him that does catch fire.

>>52866582

Guardians are still better because you can upgrade them to have the same instant death weapon for the same cost, except they can move around and are handy in assault.

>>52869204
I'll probably get kharn and some world eaters too, full antismurf

>>52869056
The Deimos pattern was older and more common, the Mars pattern is newer and more rare so while it is perfectly fine to have Mars rhinos in your army it might not make sense depending on your army fluff if you care for that.I play Dark Angels (Super-original-isolated-crusade-fleet-idea™) it makes more sense.

>>52869092
>don't talk to me or my occularia ever again

>>52862793
Real men for sure. The legiones astartes gets too much credit.

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>>52869128
Did many WB leave Calth thought? Only Kor Phaeron and a few of his dudes that I can remember. He then lost some in the Eye of Terror.

A lot were stranded on Calth, I presume they all died after a long while.

>>52869949
Enough space marines probably made it away from every conflict to be able to deploy a tabletop sized force of them.

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>>52869146

>2doggo1chainfist

>>52869949
There were a few athames in the Word Bearers force and some of them knew how to use it to scape to the warp

>>52862543
>that Tzeentch disc
waiting till someone sees it and complains

>>52870219
I don't understand. Explain?

>>52870379
looks like a sperm and egg I think is his point

>>52870379
looks like a black sun device. Which its into the whole occult theme, but I'm surprised someone hasn't cried nazi.

At this point is it possible to run a SoS army or am I going to have to sprinkle in some Custodes?

>>52870542
Only custodes can stand alone from the talons list, sisters need support.

Just getting into HH, tossing up between IW and WB, but have heard taking daemon allies is frowned upon by a lot of players, how bad is it? Just looking for a traitor legion that isn't weak to the point of being unfun.

>>52870664
daemons are fine, FW can't write coherent rules but anyone who has a problem with you bringing them is a twit. unless you minmax an ironfire list then you're right with either choice, or really any legion list barring magnus in a GOTK list.

>>52870664
Demons are cool, but if you run the new split rules for Pink Horrors, I will find you.

>>52870664
I play word bearers with an ally detachment of bloodletters and a bloodthirster, it's fun, fluffy and nobody seems to have a problem with it when we play

>>52869983
>Luna Wolves
>Istvaan III
I wish.

How many Contemptors ought a Custodes list take?

How would you feel about using possessed as gal vorbak?

>>52870542
You could add custodes tanks painted like your SoS to plug the gaps they have.

In their armylist I meant.

>>52871448
0.
Boxnaughts are the only true dreads.

>>52871516

I own 8 boxnaughts, but I also on 3 Contemptors a Deredeo and a leviathan. Every dread is beautiful.

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>>52871502
Nah, gal vorbak models are huge. Possessed are only slightly taller than marines.

>>52871576

It's not enough height discrepancy to give a shit, but the gulf in model quality is vast.

You should be using Gal Vorbak as posessed, not the other way round.

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>>52871516

What about heavy dread? Is heavy dread a true dread?

>>52871621

At this stage, it's more that I can get 10 possessed for less than 5 GV.

I'd get them eventually, but as I am just starting out, it's easier to get my army up and running

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How's this for a ToE list? I feel like I'm lacking in anti-vehicle.

Hey /tg/, what you you guys give a 10 man phalanx warder squad?

>>52871658
Absolutely not, it's the equivalent of an inbox of dick enlarging treatments for Custodes.

>>52871715
Same thing as last thread. You don't, but if you do then Power axes and thunder hammers. What's your opposition to some coolass Tartaros?

>>52862055
Speaking of units to take though, how are Secutors? They seem fun to kit out with plasma fusils and go to town on 3+, but really all the guns look cool.

Is footslogging two squads of 4 at all viable?

>>52871715
You got your answer last thread, don't spam pls.

>>52871793
Sorry, Im new around here

>>52871658

Heavy dread is the dreadest dread to dread.

>>52871705
Consider finding enough points to split your Hetaerons into 2 3-man units rather than 1 5 man.

Just as an FYI most of the 40k codexes and campaign supplements are going Last Chance To Buy, so if there's one you always wanted to grab, it's now or never.

I guess the big one 30k-wise is if Codex: Daemons is going. If anyone plans to take daemons in their 30k traitor force in future, might be worth checking if that codex is going to become unavailable. (Just assuming forgeworld won't reprint the rules in full in angelus.)

How hard do you figure it would be to freehand on the Warmaster's Eye type markings on stuff? Probably a pain for infantry but progressively easier for vehicles? Would likely sketch it on with pencil/paper a bunch to get the idea and style right

>>52871870
I mean, how good are you at free handing? Probably about that hard.

>>52871808
Phalanx warders are an overpriced version of an already expensive unit. Use the models if you like them but run them as regular breachers instead.

>>52867201
Don't think you can, can anyone confirm/deny?

>>52871886
Eh, not bad, would need to get some new brushes since mine are all shit at this point. Patience and practice would get me there with everything but Infantry.

Also not to be lazy does anyone have an image of different SoH markings?

>>52871361
Fret not brother-anon, we'll get our vengeance yet, kill for the living

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>>52871952
>Also not to be lazy does anyone have an image of different SoH markings?
That was lazy but I'm feeling charitable. Books 1, 2 and 4 have more info, they can be downloaded via the OP.

>>52871787
I plan on bringing 10 tartaros with storm shields and power fists as well, haha

>>52872041
Thank you! Really I would have thumbed through muh downloads but Im heading out the door for some lab work; much appreciated! :)

>>52872059
I don't think that RAW tartaros can't take storm shields so you may have a problem with some people.

>>52872070
No problem, hope you enjoy the Horus Heresy.

>>52871952
They're on the FW transfer sheet: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Sons-of-Horus-Transfer-Sheet

>>52871787
Hate to say it, but Secutors are just bad. Too many points, not enough tankiness to footslog. Seen Fusil squads do work, but they're almost always overshadowed by the Destructors, and their last niche was taken away after Hoplites did the suicide haywire drop better. They're OK in a Triaros, pretty much useless on foot.
Shame, too. They'd actually give us something to use the Elites slot on.

HQ, HS, FA, sometimes even Troops is contested, the most LoW picks in the universe and then 2 Elites slots sitting around doing nothing. There's my wish for Angelus.

As another Anon looking to start a SoH army, how well would a Tactical Vet army only with maloghusrt in Orbital Assault work, can they reliably fill all roles (minus anti-air)?
There's something about landing in a drop pod and just unloading into some poor unfortunate squad

>>52872059
All signs point to that combo being FAQ'd out of the rules (okay, not FAQ'd... it probably won't happen until there's a new red book). Someone somewhere said that Alan Bligh said he meant to disallow it because it was a bit too good (negating Tartaros's disadvantage) and there are people who think it's an OP combo.

>>52873068
Yeah, THAT'S the thing that needs to be fixed. Nothing they've written is more broken and overpowered than that.

>>52873175
Kek.

Any guesses when HH gets Age of Horus'd? Will they delay Angelus to rewrite it with 8th in mind and make a token army list PDF to keep us busy for a year or two until they get a proper army list and legion list printed?

>>52873787
Apparently it's not going to change much, according to reports from the stream.

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bu-bu-bu-bu inferno is ready for 8th edition
forge world is playing multidimensional rules writing
>y'all got fucked lmao

>>52873175
It stands out as having been a question mark for a long time. Inferno’s got issues, but it hasn’t been around for a whole goddamn year like the current red book.

Speaking of IF, how's this for a 1250 ZM list?

>Legion Prator: Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Paragon Blade, Storm Shield

>Templar Brethren: 9 Brethren, Solarite Power Gauntlet
>Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought: Chainfist, Kheres Assault Cannon

>Terminator Squad: Iliastus Assault Cannon, Powerfists
>Terminator Squad: Iliastus Assault Cannon, Powerfists

>Heavy Support Squad: 7 Marines, Augury Scanner, Missile Launchers/Autocannons (depending on which I end up liking more, probably missile launchers)

I'm assuming you can use rites of War. It looks pretty good to me, and fluffy to boot. I wanted to make a small, highly personal army to change things up, and this is perfect for it.

Btw, anyone know if Averlamd Sunset spray would be a good primer?

>>52873787
Until someone says something, it's impossible for us to know.

The good news about that 8th ed 40k FAQ is that it acknowledged that the Horus Heresy game exists, so I don't expect a repeat of the 6th-7th transition when they didn't give FW a copy of the new rules ahead of time. In fact, there's a rumor that the FW team is still deciding what to do.

Best case scenario, Angelus includes two set of rules and says, "Use these 7th ed rules until we update the existing lists to 8th, then use the 8th ed rules that we've also included." Or maybe that's second-best, and best is that FW re-releases all the red books for 8th ed together with Angelus and the whole system makes the change then. But based on the wording of that FAQ response, it doesn't sound like FW will be ready by then.

More likely, they've got one team writing Angelus for 7th edition while another team rewrites everything for 8th, and we'll make the shift in 2018.

I'm not scared of the edition change. 7th's only okay.

>>52874016
With a Storm Shield you are better giving your praetor a S8 weapon since he will statistically survive most things thrown at him and any unsaved wound against it is ID rather than just those on 6.

Heavy support squads are pretty much useless in ZM games due to all the LOS blocking terrain, you won't be able to move and shoot at once. I would drop them for a vet squad or more terminators.

I would also consider a plasma cannon on your dread since in ZM blasts can only scatter to the nearest wall and plasma will allow you to effectively take out terminators too.

>>52874075
>I'm not scared of the edition change.

I am, because I don't want a repeat of WHFB. I didn't much care for 8th and when we got AoS that just broke any interest I had in the game. I don't much care for 7th and so far 8th rules don't sound that different from AoS.

>>52874016
>Btw, anyone know if Averlamd Sunset spray would be a good primer?
It is, as long as you only use it as a base - it's a very brownish yellow, which is probably necessary for coverage. You'd have to spray or brush on a couple layers of something like Yriel yellow afterward.

Afraid I don't have enough (any) ZM experience to comment on the list.

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>>52871870
I just did it pure freehand and got a alrightish result. I did this guy for a diorama.

Freehand is easy, especially if you have an damp ear cleaner nearby to wipe it off if you aren't happy with it.

>>52874167
>I didn't much care for 8th
Wouldn't have that have made the change a good thing?

I get that the AoS launch was a disaster - the fluff destruction alone would have driven me away if I had been a fantasy player. Trying to push a pointsless game was also going too far, and I can also see the problem with losing rank and file units.

But none of that is (reportedly) going to happen to 40k. There'll be some poorly-written fluff progression, and I don't understand how they're going to adopt 2nd edition mechanics while also streamlining the game (I started in 2nd ed, and it was a slow system best for small games). But new rules, with points, and a clean sweep of all the niggling special rules that have accumulated over time? Sounds good to me.

It's the true-scale marines that have the potential to drive existing players away in droves. They'll have to be very careful with that.

>>52874314
>Wouldn't have that have made the change a good thing?

Rape turning into a murder is a change, but not necessarily for the better.

>But none of that is (reportedly) going to happen to 40k.

Looking at the reports of the GW video, it's more AoS than streamlined 2e. I'll wait, but with AoS the core game changes a lot and I just did not enjoy it anymore. The system just wasn't for me and I hope 40k doesn't go the same path. I can always play older editions with people I know, but it's hard to play old 30k, when there aren't even rules for everyone. Worst case I'll have to dump some models and keep enough to have a viable old 40k army to play with.

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>>52874529

>>52873068
I emailed FW just there, they said in casual games it should be 15 points but they're not supposed to be able to take them

>>52874592
I'm not saying 40k is dead, I'm just seeing a trend and it worries me.

>>52874529
What happened with AoS?

>>52872123 Got some ordered along with 10 Justaerin, a spartan and a 5 man heavy weapons squad+Banana mag shoulder launchers but I have ~60 marines that need some Cthonian street cred ASAP
>>52872093
Oh Im feeling heretical all right! ;)

>>52874143
Good points, thanks man. How's this?

>Praetor: Terminator Armor, Storm Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet
>Terminator Command Squad: 4 Terminators, Power Fists, assault cannon

>Templar Brethren: 10 Templars
>comtemptor-Mortis: plasma cannon, chainfist

>2 5-man terminator squads with powerfists and an assault cannon

Leaves 10 points for whatever, is it any good? Could go back to 9 Templars and have a 5-man command Squad. Probably gonna put the praetor with Templars and purge to shit

>>52874899
Oh, and I was also thinking an apothecary could be good for the last touches on making the Templars a fun lil deathstar

>>52874300
Fuckin A anon, your kicking my ass at painting; will try the eye of Terra on a Mars pattern Rhino later tonight

>>52873941
I'm not seeing it.

Fucking around with my lists, starting thinking about having flyers instead of dedicated AA in a 3000 point list.
Need help filling out the last 350 points, what do you suggest?

2650 points

HQ
>Leman Russ
> Wolves - 555

>Varagyr+Spartan- 853
>2 extra
>6x Wolf Claws
>SGt has Flamer, Wolf Claw
>Spartan dedicated transport
>Flare shield

>Priest of Fenris
>Speaker of the dead
>Aether Rune Armor - 135

>Priest of Fenris
>Speaker of the dead
>Aether Rune Armor - 135


Troops
>Grey Slayers
>19x, Shields, 3x PF, Huscarl GFB/MB -322
>Grey Slayers
>19x, Shields, 3x PF, Huscarl GFB/MB -322
>Grey Slayers

Fast Attack
>Storm Eagle
>Searchlight - 211
>Storm Eagle
>Searchlight - 211

>>52875250
Fire Raptor and Javelins.

Are you sure about two Storm Eagles though? They're only worth the points if used as a transport, but that leaves you with very little on the board until they arrive.

>>52875286

I'm not at all sold on the Storm Eagles, I just like running nice neat 20 man blobs. I would have my Grey Slayers with the Priest in each.
If you have a better idea I am all ears.

>>52873941
Are you upset because people have more money to spend than you? Seems like the only reason someone would photoshop something as petty as this.

>>52875250
>>52875341
Seems pretty solid; Russ and his Doggos go in the Spartan, yeah?
If your using your Storm Eagles empty then maybe swap one out for a Fire Raptor? Your call, double raptors might be overly mean.

You need to build as large an army as possible entirely contained in flying transports or flying itself. How do you go about it?

I play Ordo Reductor, so I can just take Matrix of Ruin, double Manta and then load up two Macrocarids and two full Krios or Medusa Squadrons, then anything else I want. Vorax are limited to two carried in their own Arvus Lighter, though, so the Fast Attack slots would probably just be two air wings of 3 Vulturax to run escort.

Points no object, could anyone put together a comparable army?

>>52876041
>Points no object, could anyone put together a comparable army?
There are no force org charts in apocalypse, so I get 9 stormbirds, each containing a traitor Primarch and his 48/47 best men.

>>52876041
Manta? The tau flier? Come on, there is literally no way you can justify one of those existing in 30k.

>>52876190
Well, the Macharius was built in M41 and named after Lord Solar Macharius of early M41 fame, yet it can be fielded in 30k.

>>52872059
>not bringing Sekhmets with two powerfists and FREE storm shield

>>52876126
Best army 10/10

>>52876190
Shhh, you're talking to Magos "Crazy Eyes" their, he'll literally take a model of a manta (as in the giant ray) and build his own Manta if you cross him.

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Ugg I'm excited about the new 8th edition coming up, but I'm worried about these full scale marines making my army an army of manlets. I still got half of my marines to paint for my DG army and now I feel like I gotta wait till more light is shed about full scale. What do?

>>52876321
Get fucked.

>>52876344
Are you really falling for that meme? They are not making fucking truescale marines, those will be some kind of elite choice. That's like thinking centurions were going to be the new marines when they were released

>>52876344
>What do?
Ignore 40K's bullshit and keep playing in our ivory tower?

>>52876344
I'm in the same boat except I haven't actually built anything yet so I guess I'm safe? But yeah I feel put off from actually starting anything yet simply because I don't want to have to redo them or feel emasculated with my manlet marines either

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>>52876344
The truescale marines aren't normal marines, they're Guilliman's experiment. There will still be manlet marines in 40k.

>>52874790
It would be weird if it really is a carbon copy of AoS. GW had people from large tournaments playtest their stuff, and with AoS generally has been recieved it would be strange if those playtesters would not grab the chance to prevent another AoS to happen to the game they love enough to organise/play in huge tournaments.

>>52876344
Use the upscaled marines as a conversion base for plastic gal vorbak. Sorted.

>>52876422
Finally someone who isn't absolutely fucking stupid taking seriously those memes

>>52876126
Much as that slightly defeats the "do it in one Force Org" thing I completely forgot to add to the post, that may actually be a surprisingly fair fight since the D strikes don't hit the Mantas and they can use their Railguns on solid-shot with their networked Markerlights for 4 BS5.33 D shots. Relatively underpowered main guns actually coming in handy, there.

I'd probably get whittled down pretty fast by the lascannon, and the Vulturax will find themselves on the floor pretty quickly being smacked about by the Primarchs, but I can toss heals around with the two Enginseer squads and Magi, so if we tack on a boarding rule for the Primarchs to Assault Vehicle onto the decks of the Mantas for the garrisons to engage them it might actually be awesome.
Battlefleet Gothic fighter engagements 28mm, anyone?

>>52876190

It's not an actual Manta, it's a Mechanicum unique toy using the Manta rules for game purposes, or at least that's how the box of great wonder puts it. I wouldn't just buy two Mantas, I'm not that rich and it would be cheating of the highest order. That just defeats the FUN of the thing.

>>52876339

I'm that recognizable? I'm slightly flattered and slightly scared.
I did try to make that idea work for a while, but Manta models are even more niche than whales.
I was more thinking of a flying-boat type catamaran airship carried by either two of the Stormbird-class spess whales or about six of the smaller ones, which are about half the length. Armed with Volkite Carronades, dual Shrapnel Bolters and Storm Cannons by the armful, I think.

>>52876434
Then again, AoS sells (or so I've been told), so 40oS should sell even better!

>>52876422
No, anon, they're just regular marines in proper Mk8 armour standing upright.

>>52876493
I'm hoping that their not actually replacing basic marines, although I hope they are a thing (some sort of elite) that can be used for true scaling if that's your thing

>>52876344
Those new marines are most likely the same saize as the current plastic Thousand Sons and Deathwatch marines.

The latest picture that has people losing their shit over 'trusperg marines' has a GW paintpot in it, which makes it possible to make a very good personal guess how large the new marines are. Which is around the same size as existing marines. Maybe 1mm taller, but that could also be explained by the lack of squatting.

People are just blind with panic/hype to look properly. Barely any info, jump to conclusion, run off screaming the sky is falling, blind and deaf to any new information or arguments. Bunch of bonobo's really.

>>52876504
You never disappoint us anon. Seriously, you are one of the things that makes me come here everyday looking for crazy people talking about flying whales used for war. I love you whale-magos

<<52875250
Holy shit, the Yiffaggot's still here. Between you and the Femarch-Waifufaggots, this general is as dead as the Romans.

>>52876505
>Then again, AoS sells

Warmachine sells more than AoS currently. And how many of the AoS sales are ppl buying minatures to play 3rd party rules/older editions ?

>>52876638
>Warmachine sells more than AoS currently

And AoS sells a billion times more than WHFB ever did (or so I've been told).

>how many of the AoS sales are ppl buying minatures to play 3rd party rules/older editions

Sale is a sale. How many people buy 40k models to play 30k? Nobody knows, GW doesn't care, they get paid.

Also, I did make a whole Warriors of Chaos army for older WHFB editions when AoS hit, because I liked the WoC models and always wanted to get some (hoping for 9th to bring allies, so I could have some with my daemons), but it is what it is.

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>>52876588
Aww, thanks. I'm interspersing shitposting about whales with working on an extremely boring essay, trying to avoid getting too drunk as all my friends get shitfaced and almost literally bouncing off the walls. I want to BUILD something, dammit. I've got an Imperial Knight sitting in fifty pieces ready for me to magnetize it, haven't been able to hobby for two weeks thanks to work.

I am slightly conflicted over which Superheavy Flyer to build first, but I think it has to be the second-gen Whalebird. Just big enough for the next hobby goal to be "fill it up with army". I think that's how it's going to go, actually. No building more silly projects without having enough little dudes to top off the last one.

>>52876041
Srsly, aren't you allowed to take any IMPERIAL LoWs, not just whatever xeno unrestricted ine you want?

>>52876854
Nope, Mechanicum are allowed to pick a LOW from any legal apocalypse datasheet.

They can run brass scorpions, khorne skulldozers, even gaint squiggoth.

>>52876940
wut? apocalypse was an expansion for 6th.... 30K uses 7th ed

>>52876940
Whale Anon, nid superheavies await you.

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>>52873941
poorfag plz

>>52876854
For most things, yeah. But RAW the Flyers and Superheavy Flyers thing is from wherever works, since I guess they figured there were few enough of them around anyway. Also, it's awesome, shut up.

>>52876940

I'm not sure what the hell their stats are or if I can actually run one, having looked mostly at eligible flyers, but tell me more about this Squiggoth. This sounds applicable to turn into a massive Biologis linebreaker.

>>52876982

Hnnngg....
Must...Resist...Temptation....

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>>52877013
Something like pic related, perhaps? Of course, they'll need more gun.

>>52876422
That is fanart however.

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>>52877055
DELET THIS.

>>52877055
Ugh, lame. Why does FW hate fun ?

>>52877055
Look at the opposite box. They explicitly link the other uses, but not the Suborbital Strike Wing to that box you posted

That seems like a RAW enough to build a shaky case of awesome on. Of course, if you want to hand out Tank Hunters to them you need to abide by that box, but since when did a Manta need that?

Yes, I'm fully aware how house-of-cards the whole thing is.

>>52877105
Oh, the 4Hp or more flyer as a sub orbital wing? Got ya. I like how Magi just tangentially avoid full heresy.

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>>52877202
>I like how Magi just tangentially avoid full heresy.
Oh, believe me, mine don't even bother with the tangent. All perpendicular to Heresy, all the time.
I imagine that after a couple thousand years doing what he does, breaking worlds over his knee and reforging them into the images that flit through his mind over the decades, dying a few dozen times and steadily getting more detached from it all, he's developed a wonderful superiority complex from it.

>"I have walked across the surface of the sun. I have witnessed events so tiny and so fast, they can hardly be said to have occurred at all. But you... you are just a man. And the world's smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite."

>>52877353
Is he one of Trazen's disguises?

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>>52877420
Which one? The Magos, the Dune Navigator pic or Dr. Manhattan he's stealing quotes from? Nope, he's his own person. Not the only Magos to go a bit nuts from isolation and power over the millennia, to be fair. He doesn't have a name yet, actually.

>>52877522
Xander Treides
for Gil Alexander and Leto II Atreides
:3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAJ0l4OBHM

>>52877522
That was the best fallout dlc, really great premise, good fun, nice drops

>>52876321
The Macharius was an old STC that was merely re-discovered and re-comissioned in M41. It existed in the past with a different name.

It's likely that FW will be more specific about which superheavies are allowed, and it will be a human-only list. Don't get me wrong, I think you were onto a cool idea, but I don't see it being allowed for long. Go back to your whale + AoS dwarf airship gondola idea.

>>52877596
I like it. That's his name, now, since I'm notoriously bad with coming up with them when I can't just toss random somewhat relevant Latin into a blender like GW likes to do.

>>52877639

I don't know, I always had a slightly masochistic liking for Dead Money. Certainly in the top two, though. Stealth Suit best robowaifu. Was thinking of doing another run through that game and going for melee, since I kind of want to try out that Turbo perk, a whole bunch of drug-extending toys and a Protonic Inversal Axe. Would probably be more fun than stealthsniping everything, too, once I've done the boring Lvl1 Clinic road trip.

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>tfw you name both Cóatl, Xander and the Filiketos

>>52877813
Build three and give 1 of those names to each.

>>52877733
>The Macharius was an old STC that was merely re-discovered and re-comissioned in M41.

In older fluff it was fully designed by Admech as an alternative to Baneblades, in the current fluff it was a data fragment completed with designs and components from other tanks. Even if 30k had a tank similar to the Macharius, the chance that Admech managed to use a fragment of its blueprint to recreate it 100% through the use of other vehicles, is doubtful.

>I think you were onto a cool idea, but I don't see it being allowed for long. Go back to your whale + AoS dwarf airship gondola idea.

Dude, what?

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>>52877813
bless your creative heart anon, everyone benefits from positive input

>>52877813
Nice work, nameanon. I need to hurry up and order all my filthy chinaresin for the actual meat of the army, then I can start work on the big stuff along with it.

>>52874300
THUCCIN THICC

>>52876422
jesus christ how awful

STOP ADVANCING THE 'PLOTLINE'

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I got assembled those guys, only primed so far.
I lost my intrest in paiting them for 40k (went back to my orks), but I'm thinking about starting TSons for HH.
Would they pass as any kind of unit in HH if I painted them in red scheme?

>>52878229
It's not the best loadout the universe has ever seen for them assuming they're built like that, but they'll make decent Sekhmet Terminators, which are one of the strongest units in the whole game.

Stubborn 3++ Pysker Terminators with 2W and possibly the ability to pick their Pyromancy or Telekinesis powers for 5ppm over a regular Terminator.

>>52878228
That's a fanart from late 2015

>>52878229
They work perfectly for Sekhmet but cataphractii is better.

>>52878293
thanks anon!

>>52878293
>and possibly the ability to pick their Pyromancy or Telekinesis powers
RAW they can. There's no "possibly" about it.

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Don't get to paint to often lately but I did this guy last night

>>52878559
ooh! when we're already on armour types, are TSons more towards MK4 or MK3 because if they favour Cataphracti AND MK4 I'd proably get my hands on Calth box.

>>52878638
>I am angry
>ANGRY ABOUT TRAITORS
Nice work, anon. Got any more of the army? Would be interested to see how primarily grey fists look as a force.

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>>52878686
Only two more in the grey and I have a 5 man of cataphractii in templar bretheren since I just started them

>>52878601
I put "possibly" to avoid the massive and extremely dull argument that flares up whenever they're mentioned, please don't start it now. No-one not a 1kSons player cares much apart from the two or three dicks who start it every time.

>>52878805

There is no argument. Until an FAQ comes out which explicitly says

>this text is wrong, follow these rules instead

That is correct by RAW. House rule it for your friends any way you want, but there should be no argument concerning the letter of the law.

And before anyone brings up Adepticon rules, if you're going to compete in a tournament with its own rules then you have to follow THEIR rules for THEIR tournament. If they say that bolters in THEIR tournament have AP2 according to the spirit of the Astartes fluff, then thats completely valid for THEIR tournament.

>>52878891

And while I'm on this train of thought, I know that its also RAW for Sekhmet to be able to have two CCW but honestly who the fuck is going to model their Sekhmets with PF+CF with the possible interpretation of a Power Weapon sidearm?

>>52878967
>who is going to model their Sekhmets with DOUBLE FISTS OF DOUBLE FISTING
Awesome people, that's who.

>>52878559
I like them better in Tartaros. They're well armed for close combat and likely to get a psychic boost; they'll benefit more from sweeping advance than +1 invulnerable save.

Also people get salty if you take the cult that gives +1 invul. save on Cataphractii armor.

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>>52878967
>>52878992
Man, I cannot find pictures of regular Cataphractii terminators in Thousand Son red! This is how I think a Power Combi-chain fist would look like. The less it makes sense, the more Warhammer it is.

>>52871448
Depends on the point level. 1-2 Normally, but above 3000 3-4 becomes viable.

>>52878559
>>52879059

Sweeping Advance is tactically the sounder option, but a player in abundance of models will take one squad of each. Of course, players will get salty that you're fielding Sekhmets in the first place.

>>52878779
I like 'em.

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>>52879489
Coincidentally, "to fistulate" means to put a hole in something.

>>52873941
You know, that explains the shit-awful quality of Inferno, doesn't it?
It's as if the guys over at FW threw up their hands when they got the internal memo about this, threw up their hands and said "Fuck it, release it now and make some last-minute cash on it."
It also handily explains why there's been no new info on Fires of Cyraxus in forever.

>>52880384
>You know, that explains-

It's a fake photo, you dumbshite.

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Are vets with combi-weapons that much better than support and heavy support marines? I see tons of vets and very support/heavy support.

>>52879935
First time I'm seeing -ulate suffix, really.

>>52881023
support tacs suffer from being too expensive and heavy squads suffer from being heavy support.

So I've been throwing bionics and chainblades on fantasy zombies for use as an adsecularis convent. I'm hoping to run them in an allied detachment once or twice so I can get a feel for 30k mechanicum before really committing to any further expansions. I will most likely be using the 40k cult mechanicum Magos as their HQ until I know enough about 30k admech to plot out my own and would like to hear if their were any decent low-point builds for him in support of a larger force, which would most likely be my elite infantry-leaning Iron Warriors.

>>52881098
They don't seem -that- expensive. Considering they can fire more than once.

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The first of six. They're not too bad to build; they thankfully have an option for both hands on the handlebars too.

>>52884017
Srsly, why is it that long? Looks like the Lamborghini of dickbikes, and that makes his lance turn into a damn pike.

Why are the rules for space marines so pathetically weak compared to their fluff? Their "impenetrable" armour can be pierced by anything 1/3 of the time.

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Thoughts on this pose? I need advice. Does he look like he's signalling to a position? I might wrap a chain around his hand with skulls dangling instead.

>>52884296
Because then no one would play the game m8

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>>52884296
This and the fact they are 1m75 manlet and 70kg at best.
At least truescale marines are comming soon

>>52884333
it wont cut without greenstuff man.
just take this pose irl and see how retarded it looks, especially at the elbow

>>52884352
There's two easy solutions then:
>stop writing them as invincible gods of war who mortals can only hope to kill with a lucky shot to an eye lense
>raise their points cost and give them better stats
It's not hard.

>>52883520
>low-point builds for him in support of a larger force, which would most likely be my elite infantry-leaning Iron Warriors.
Most Magi help their own detachment instead of the allied one (cyber occularis help the "primary" detachment), while a Macrotek repairs everything easier.
Reductor Magi can improve nearby Heavy/Ordnance weapons' dakka, and a Lachrymallus can make your Adseculari return after death.
Allied Magi can't bring Djinn-skeins, which work in tandem with Cyber Occularis, so you may want to leave those at home.

As for the builds themselves, it depends mostly on what unit you're attaching him to. Lachimallus are resilient enough because of their natural FnP, so you could give him a Machinator array for +1T, an Abeyant for +1W & IWND, a power fist to get S8 and rad grenades to ID Custodians and make your Adseculari Heavy CHainblades ID regular marines.
Magi are tough. This guy's Magos >>52869092 killed a whole damn marine power weapon squad on his own.

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>>52884398
Alright, what about this? Like he's looking round a corner and signalling his brothers to wait a sec

>>52874300
Is the bolt pistol with drum magazine a bit, or a conversion?

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>>52863202
I liked the original Tallarn fluff.

>Nice peaceful world with nothing of value about it
>Iron Warriors show up and Life Eater it
>Launch an armored assault on the survivors
>Imperium dumps all of the tanks into Tallarn
>No reason beyond "they must want it for something"
>Battle ends
>Still no idea what the Iron Warriors wanted with a world of no apparent strategic value
>Spend next 5000 years just assuming that Perturabo was being autistic that day
BL fucked it up by making Tallarn an important and strategic target. Tallarn was better as Dantooine than Alderaan.

>>52884904
Drum mag from somewhere (Sternguard maybe) on a BoP bolt pistol looks like.

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>>52884650
Space wolves box has a sword arm that is much straighter, and is often used for 'pointing' style conversions as seen here.

>>52885364
That double chainsword conversion is absolute trash.

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>>52884581
Tricked out Malagra Magos will fuck your shit up quick smart, and is hilariously tough.
>>52877813
Coalt's new toy is 50% done for next weekends event and will need a name......feel free to pitch some suggestions naming Anon

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>>52885364
You call that a CCW? THIS is a CCW!

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>>52885567
>>52885364
Yiff having a bad conversion and paintjob what a surprise!

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Finally built all six.

>>52885853
And?

>>52885923
>Annoyed at someone posted something on topic

What. He posted the new Jetbikes.

>>52885694
He is powerful and he does grant PE(characters &MCs), but that's more like a champion character.
As for the Knight, how about Gukumatz?

>>52885940
This place is for Femarchs, shit memes and Primarch Waifuing.

>>52886294
You said the same thing three times :^)

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WIP of my BA praetor, only done basecoat for now

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Build a Siege Breaker for my Fisters today.

>>52887154
Not bad anon, not bad at all

>>52884465
No one cares though.
You can have some level of disconnect between the fluff and the stats.
Otherwise you end up with basic marines that are more powerful than named human/eldar characters, and that's not fun for anyone, or you end up ruining the fluff.

Either way, get over it.

>>52884359
>>52884352
Baiting this hard

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>>52884465
TA-fucking-DA

Have anyone tried painting an entire miniature with Stormhost Silver? Or highlight white armor with it?

Please share you experience. Pics are more than welcome.

>>52887154
from the tumbnail I thought he was rocking a guitar

>>52887567
Highlighting white with it looks great because it brings out the lines in the armor. Mix it with the white for a better edging style.

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>The novels describe the primarchs as having skin that's tougher than ceramite armour
>They still wear ceramite armour

>>52887821
Extra armor means extra defense. I'd rather have multiple layers of armor than just one.

>>52887837

The difference in strength is massive though, a blow that would clean cut an astartes in full plate in half would be a minor injury for a primarch, the armour is purely ceremonial in their case.

>>52887821
>What is leather armour

>>52887858
It may be ceremonial, but if the armor can tank a lascannon shot for me, that's one less lascannon shot into my torso.

>>52885853
It's amazing just how boring this model looks. No fault of yours, obviously they are well put together, but the non-dynamic, monopose riders are just the worst.

>>52887821
>Welding another plate of armor onto a tank? What is that supposed to accomplish?

Did FW actually go on record saying that Inferno would be 8th compatible or this just a meme?
If they did say it, then they can get fukt and i hope someone richer than me would sue them

>>52887821
Remember when primarchs were just Marines+ and all the stuff about them was more hyped up history and "my dad was better than your dad" myths?

This is what happens when the people making kool-aid decide to drink it instead.

>>52885567
>>52885697
>>52885781
Do not reply to tripfags

>>52888262
>sueing over silly little books
How cute.

>>52888262
Reminds me of some dude on a youtube rant talking about suing GW for false advertisement, when Heldrake got nerfed.

>>52884296
Eh. The fluff can't make up it's damn mind how tough power armour is. Sometimes bolt pistol shots bounce off helmets ineffectually, sometimes they kill with a single round. Sometimes heavy bolters seem like they're AP3 in the fluff, sometimes marines run through heavy bolter fire without difficulty.

>>52888363
if you genuinely can't see the difference... well...

>>52888340
awww nothing to add but snide ad hom... how sad

>>52888396
It's almost like in real life, where sometimes a tank can be pounded by all manner of guns without a scratch and sometimes it takes a puny little gun to just fuck it right up.

>>52888363
My favourite was some anon on /tg/ who'd made a "business" buying and selling MtG cards, who was really fucking angry that an edition change meant his stock of cards was now worth vastly less that he'd paid for it.

So to answer >>52888262's question, I don't think suing gaming companies for changing rules is a thing, because otherwise WOTC would have been sued into oblivion years ago. Oh, and for what it's worth no, I don't recall FW ever making that claim.

>>52888266
I always preferred that, although I don't play Marines so I'm biased against the plot armour. Gets really boring when the only things people do in this massive and amazing setting is arguing over 20 characters who are apparently invincible to anything but another one or Big E. You can't even join in with your own faction's characters, since every Primarchfag will close ranks to defend their perfection and then go straight back to arguing among themselves, so not much good to theorise Primarch vs people like Kelbor Hal because plot armour.
Fuck Primarchs and all the bullshit that comes with them.

>>52888459
Seriously, you are fucking retarded if you are going to sue for fucking game books.

>>52888632
Agree with you there; as kickass as BL and the fluff make the legions out to be they were still the relative scalpel/omni-tool of the Imperial warmachine, in comparison to the hammer of the Imperial Army and the Battleaxe that is the Mechanicum. The primarchs themselves are cool but not invincible by any means; most of them can and will get rolled by a Knight as long as it can roll alright. What makes them actually powerful in the fluff beyond some of the dumber things construed about them is their leadership qualities of their respective legions and attached support forces.

Honestly any herpyderpy stories I just attribute to in-universe propaganda just so I can mentally tune out the local lore nazi who takes those shit examples as gospel.

Tl;dr Primarchs are leaders first, ignore the derp and YMMV

>>52888475
all about where that round connects, right? For modern tanks, they can eat autocannon rounds to the front until the cows come home; start putting those same rounds into running wheels or the track assembly then its gonna have big issues.
For the case of say, heavy bolter rounds I would say that the armour cant actually handle the round dead-on; hence the naturally rounded armour segments combined with the marine movin and grovin should keep that heavy bolter rounds from getting that perpendicular armour. So really that 3+ save represents direct hit cirmumstances and rounds that get shot trapped into soft areas like arm, neck and groin joining areas.

>>52888632
>>52888706
I think the biggest thing the primarchs have going for them in the fluff over other big-hitters is that (most of them) are spectacularly good tacticians. However, this isn't the easiest thing the translate into a tabletop game where the tactical decisions are being made by a Mk I Neckbeard.

>>52888764
If anything, that's what I hate the most. You can't beat them man to man because they're all flawless personal combatants and you can't beat them at Grand Strategy, campaign strategy, operational strategy or tactics because they're all flawless generals too. Pick one, please, or at least have them specialise a bit so something like the Wolves get annihilated by a Reductor siege line that Pert would have probably been able to handle, stuff like that.
Because the writers never show proper strategy in depth, they all just magically win every battle by their mere presence, which is bullshit.

>>52888806
I feel it comes down to numbers. There are a hell of a lot of magoses, (or whatever the hell the plural of that is,) in the galaxy, but there are only 18 primarchs. They're special because they are so damn rare.

Conservation of snowflake-jutsu, if you will.

>>52888836
Magi. And the thing is is that we do see the Magi and the Army and such using tactics, like that bit where the Paramar Mechanicum led the AL into a maze of corridors where they could drop Surprise Vorax on their heads, but the AL just charged in and won anyway, and they didn't even have a Primarch there. Also Pert vs. The Black Judges, there's no strategy going on at all other than Pert punching in faces and that turns the tide of the whole war.

I see your point, but it still seems that they all have altogether too much plot armour for making a new convincing story when we know almost nothing about the opponent because they were busy telling us the names of every Marine officer involved. Take Xana. It was two Marine named characters with background vs. either nothing at all or Scoria, and as soon as Named Mech Guy showed up they started winning. It's just a little Named Characters Do Everything for my liking.

I'm thinking about converting Neophyte Hybrids into Servitors, but can't find any servitor-ish head to swap. Anyone know som decent heads for them?

>>52888806
Eh, thats probably because the writers actually dont know much about tactics or strategy. As for actually fist fighting these dudes, again I would feel confident in a Knight titan; chalk it up to E money doing his homework on cooking them up or something. As much as it pains me to say it, most casual readers of the BL or lore are there for the superhero fight essentially. Its the grimdark version of Batman vs Superman. Does it make logical sense? Nope, but I can assure you the asspain would be colossal if some's favourite 11ft superhero/villian got sawed in half by a 50ft gothic ironman suit.

Crunchwise most of them are squishy for their points compared to other options in the same point range.

I probably dont help by being a bit more focussed on the crunch rather than fluff when it comes to unit performance

>>52887837
Always remembah to wear multiple thin coats of armor!

>>52888987
I was going to do the same thing, I recommend Kataphron Servitor heads. You get a few spare heads per kit, shouldn't be hard to find some. Kit also comes with convenient robot arms and claws to equip them with, plus plasma cannons and stuff to arm whatever you want

>>52889090
what about the legs?

>>52888706

On the other hand, the primarchs need to be OP as fuck in the fluff, otherwise the core idea that a primarch can go toe-to-toe with Big E himself and mortally wound him is ludicrous.

>>52889217
buuuuut - chaos - abaddon ?

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How much terminators are needed to kill a primarch in both fluff and crunch ?

>>52889090
Thought they're pretty big models. Will their heads fit on 25mm base Hybrids?

And shame there's no missiles...

>>52889276
Didn't one fire raptor almost got 3 Primarchs?

>>52889032
Yeah, I think the tabletop stats for them make sense as an individual power level, but then you get bullshit like Sanguinius soloing a Warlock Titan and shit that seems like historical exaggeration if not for it being taken as gospel.

>>52889217

Horus was hopped up on Chaos juice, against a slightly weakened Emps and on home turf. Determining power levels based on that is a bit stupid for general HH battles, since we will eventually get a look at Big E's stats.

>>52889210

Neophyte legs work fine, shouldn't they?

>>52889278
They should fit just fine, they're normal sized under all the armour.

>>52889288
80 primarchs. What are you talking about m8?

Rule of thumb I've always followed when it comes to power levels in the fluff is that primarchs are to astartes what astartes are to regular human beings, so a matchup between a primarch and a squad of astartes would roughly resemble what would happen if you threw a spehs mehreen at a unit of imperial guard.

>>52889276
Ask Dorn.

>>52889312
In Vengeful Spirit the Iron Hands shattered legions try to assassinate Horus, Mortarion and Fulgrim using fire raptors. It all ends when Mortarion boomerangs his scythe at them but he got hurt pretty badly in doing so.

>>52889299
I think it's the Tyranid symbol issue.

>>52889338
Silly anon, BL isn't canon

>>52889331
So it's between 20-30 then ?

>>52889299
Yeah Hawkboi kicking a gigantic bipedal engine of destruction's ass and eating its primary weapon shot and not being a steaming puddle of meat is...dubious as a claim to say the least. The equivalent would be for me to solo a well crewed Leopard 2 MBT with my wits and some form of explosive. Who knows maybe Hawkboi won the luck lottery in that match up?

Eh, besides the whole uber-psyker thing going on, Emps isnt anything too uber beyond serious old man strength and ~50k years of accumulated wisdom. If the case was otherwise then why would he have needed an army to conquer the Earth originally?

>>52889442
Depends on the primarch and which BL author is writing at the time. Rowboat barely got away from 10 alpha legion with his life, while at phall perty took on 14 terminators & 30 marines no problem.

>>52889502
>If the case was otherwise then why would he have needed an army to conquer the Earth originally?
You are a genius anon, why would he?

>>52889502
>If the case was otherwise then why would he have needed an army to conquer the Earth originally?
Listen Mortarion, while he could have slowly walked around the planet killing everyone opposing him one by one, it's considerably more efficient to use an army to do that.

>>52889524
I am >>52889276 so I was thinking about 20-30 terminators geared up with power fists and perhaps combi-plasma/melta