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Atraxa Superfriends

>>52847287
Standard is currently a hellscape with only 2 decks worth playing

>>52847861
>That image
>That thread question

I take it you're a new member of the Gruul Science Consortium?

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I'm trying to make a new deck. All I ask for is a deck that is:

75%
relatively budget
many ways to win

Who should I build around? Who would be the most fun?

>>52847897
>Atraxa Superfriends
fuck you and everyone like you
stop playing the most boring, overused deck in the current meta

How many fetchlands should I put into my Omnath deck?

>>52847977
Every single relevant one

>>52847961
This guy wants it all.

What decks do you enjoy playing now?

>>52847964
Nigger calm down, that anon is saying that people who play Atraxa Superfriends should drink bleach. He's literally on your side of the argument. Stop sperging out when you get triggered.

>>52847977
7
>>52847897
this

>>52847943
Hell yeah! I threw together a 30 minute brew with every r/g instant I could find and it still wrecked the table. When i actually put some effort into trading for specific stuff the deck became absolutely cutthroat (for my meta) it's great.

Cometstorm never felt so broken.

>>52848009
The fetchlands and azusa are the most expensive thing in this deck. That's pretty cheap and good for a new player.

>>52848063
Fetchlands are really expensive but in RG Omnath they're definitely better than other lands. It may or may not be worth $200 or whatever it costs. It would improve the deck but for the cost you could build another reasonable deck.

>>52848087
I don't really care about the pricing.

I mean, they're fetchlands, it's not like I won't use them again. Buying fetchlands is always a good idea.

>>52847861
>What's a deck that you were hesitant about at first, but quickly became attached to?
I just threw together a shitty Kamhal, Fist of Krosa deck with stuff I had laying around and fuck me it's a good time. Overrun in the command zone is most excellent. Getting to Overrun with Kamhal followed up with a Overwhelming Stampede is just gravy.

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>>52847961
>Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
It can combo fairly easily with stuff like Zulaport Cutthroat and none of the essential pieces really cost much of anything. It can also be built a ton of different ways. Your biggest cost will probably be an Ashnod's Altar.

>Sydri, Galvanic Genius
Get yourself an Aetherflux Reservoir and a Sydri. If you've got nothing better to do on top of that, get an Oloro precon and strip it for lifegain/Felidar Sovereign. Very high potential, even though everyone knows the "trick" by now. You'll mostly do lifegain tricks, but you can build in any artifact combos or deathtouch shenanigans you've got.

>Brago, King Eternal
If you can't figure out at least six ways to combo off with this cheeky fuck, there's always EDHrec. Panharmonicon will make you so hard that your opponent will hear the table go "thump", if you don't flip it in the process.

These are off the top of my head. I don't actually know what you meant by "75%", so these could be hilariously wrong if you're in an abnormally competitive meta or something.

>Alesha/Marchesa Mardu Reanimator
Probably the least budget, but the idea behind this one is endless sack and recursion effects. With Marchesa at the helm, you're playing a much more political game, and with Alesha at the helm, something way more aggressive. Recruiter of the Guard is a must have, and you want stuff like Karmic Guide, Siege-Gang Commander, and such. Probably not as good on the "Many ways to win" as the other decks, and I'm mostly shilling this one because it's my favorite.

Give us some examples of commanders you like, think you'd like, or the kinds of things you want to hose with hatred. Not saying I'll be much help because I'm a casualfag, but at the very least, I'm sure others in the thread will see it, be reminded of their own pet decks, and tell you about them.

>>52847861
>What's a deck that you were hesitant about at first, but quickly became attached to?

My Dwynen elfball list. I built it after Eternal Masters because I wound up with a bunch of the common/uncommon elves. The deck tries to ramp mana into giant beasts. Needs a craterhoof, but it doesn't have one at the moment since it's part of a group of casual, low-to-mid power-level decks I keep around to teach new players and/or "go easy" on them before moving on to more powerful stuff.

It's one of my earlier decks, too. It's just fun as hell to play imo, even if it's not really powerful.

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>>52847861
>Thread question
Horobi, no doubt. I enjoy mono-color decks 'cause I like the challenge of adapting around a color's weaknesses and discovering its subtler strengths.

The moment I read Horobi's ability, I knew I had to slap together a deck. I didn't expect it to be successful; it was just a whim. I bought a few cheap cards and mixed them with some Black staples and Horobi-helpers like Sacred Armory that were already rotting among my garbage commons. I played a five-player match with low expectations for victory but high hopes for fun. Then the deck won. And it won again.

Now, it's one of my favorite decks. Tuning has granted it back-up win-cons for decks without many creatures, and it's shockingly durable thanks to cards that protect my stuff from Horobi's ability. Not to mention that it has spades of the best protection in EDH: politics. It can't keep up with super-fast decks, but as long as there's four or more players, it performs well.

As a closing, few things are funnier than someone floating ten mana to equip their five Swords of X & Y to their winning creature while Horobi is out.
>What do you mean equipping is a targeted ability?

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>>52847995
I'm relatively new to edh. I've played a bit with a mimeoplasm deck that I enjoyed but was easy to hate out and a bit of a one track pony, a marchesa deck which was a lot of fun but also a bit linear, and I've been brewing a ertai combo deck which is just an artifact filled mess. Generally I play modern (storm, free win red, bw tokens) and I used to play pre-cat lady standard (control decks exclusively).
>>52848136
Neat suggestions anon, I especially like Sydri. I never thought of that combo.

A "75% deck" is basically a deck that's fair and fun, and can play against both top tier decks and more beginner friendly decks, even if it's not super competitive. http://www.gatheringmagic.com/jasonalt-021314-building-a-75-commander-deck/
Brago is probably far too competitive.

How do I into Grenzo Doomsday?

>>52848337
You got a list? Horobi sounds like tons of fun without having to be inherently overbearing. I have 3 in my playgroup in mind that Horobi could put in line.

My 14 year old brother runs Atraxa, it's all he has. Bought it for him, switch in shit like the Kaladesh
Snake that bumps counters, Abzan Falconer, some Simic guild, some shit.

Literally what is wrong with Atraxa?

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>>52848989
Oh and did you guys know? The state of feeling nothing at all, which is to say not even that "numb inside" feeling, is defined as "Atraxia". How neat is that? Atraxa has no red, no feelings at all.

>>52848989
It's among the least interesting precon commanders ever made for one.

>>52849012
No feelings, no freedom, no chaos.

Chaos is the natural state of being, so Atraxa isn't natural, even if she's green.

>>52849028
You think so huh? Fascinating tell me why

Besides landfall and big creatures, what would be a good subtheme for GR Omnath?

>>52849033
I can't tell if we're agreeing. Could you rephrase your point? She's definitely not natural. She's Phyrexian green, I suppose it's all in that strong > weak philosphy. Some sort of animalistic philosphy behind killing and eating people.

>>52848989
>Literally what is wrong with Atraxa?
nothing
unless you're a fag who plays superfriends or a thousand dollar infect deck

>>52849081
Not me sir, just an all American Timmy who likes to win through blatant over powering.

>>52849046
Keyword soup, basically. It's the definition of a boring and safely designed card. It has a keyword per color, pretty much. Gotta say, it isn't interesting in any way at all. Powerful, but not interesting.

By contrast, Akroma at least had a plot reason to be keyword soup. Atraxa doesn't even have that.

>>52849105
I suppose those are alright reasons. Understand though that sometimes just the mechanical strength of it alone is the attraction. In a game that breaks down to math, huge numbers are cool.

You saw how excited people on this board got for the thought of Halophed the 20.

>>52849046
It does virtually nothing, and deckbuilding revolves around eithet Planeswalkers, +1/+1 counters or Infect, which are among the worst mechanics in Magic's history.

>>52849142
> +/+ counters
> worst mechanics.

Anon?

>>52849142
What do you mean it does nothing? It's an objectively wonderful creature, in your own words it does a TON of shit. Give it a Sword of $. Or even just first strike.

>>52848337
This sounds very interesting. I've been meaning to build a mono black deck for a while now. Are people getting tired of playing against it yet?

>>52849081
>thousand dollar infect deck
I'm pretty sure every Infect card added together isn't even $30, and regardless of how expensive your pump spells, tutors and manabase get the strategy remains non-viable.

Are you retarded?

>>52849167
I have to double down on this, explain yourself.

>>52849184
Are you? People will buy imperial seals and vamp tutors and demonic tutors and what ever else

>>52849174
It does the exact same things equipped with a Sword that Storm Crow does though?

>>52849167
Non-card-based mechanics are fucking awful. Same with coin flips and other counters.

>>52849184
How the fuck do you question someone being able to make a 4 colors WUBG deck in commander a thousand bucks

>>52849223
Why do you doubt lifelink so badly.

>>52849209
That does not make the strategy viable though. What is your gripe with an awful deck made expensively?

>>52849123
>>52849105
Is she even really that powerful though? I mean I guess even in commander a 4 drop 4/4 vigilant lifelinking flyer is decent but in general I would say that's not where most "powerful" commander decks really want to be. I always thought Atraxa's appeal was her open ended ness. Proliferate is a well loved mechanic due to that, even if I feel Atraxa is a terrible inefficient (or maybe that's not the correct word as being a nice threat on top of it seems efficient... slow?) source at least purely as a counter generator. And being a Phyrexian doesn't hurt either for getting fans.

>>52849244
>lifelink in a forty life format
Are you serious?

>>52849273
>playing 40
Damn you're weak.

>>52849273
Serious like a bath

>>52849278
This is actually the EDH general, not the Duel Commander general.

That said she's not viable in Duel either.

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I'm building Toshiro Umezawa right now, and I'm really on the fence about including pic related.
If I do, I'll absolutely want to include shit like Thought Vessel, and maybe even a random Venser's Journal to counteract the stupid amount of shit I need to pay life for.
But I'll have to drop better mana rocks or kill spells for it, and I'm not sure I want to.

>>52849294
I wanted to play this in my 0 drop artifact tribal Akiri/Silas deck but I never tried it.

>>52849273
>decks that run small life leeches
>getting hit for 20+ in a single turn
you're right having lifelink is worthless

>>52849265
>is she that powerful
No, not really. But she doesn't "do nothing", she is strong in her sheer amount of abilities and goings-ons. Anyway, I think my original question was "why is everyone acting like Atraxa is the devil", she seems middling to me.

>>52849303
>player A combos out and kills you
>player B is playing Infect
>player C drops Craterhoof and swings for 4,592,446 trample damage, responses
>player D draws you out with BSZ and a lot of mana
Oh man I bet you're so happy to have 60 life instead of 40 right now.

>>52849304
She is middling and I've asked the exact question here. I think it's mostly just popularity which makes people think she is more prominent than she is. Breya was definitely the strongest new commander I think and Yidris is probably a close second and to be honest I feel a lot of his appeal is the colors but I dunno.

>>52849352
Oh man, Breya. I haven't changed the deck at all, it's still totally precon. It's just fine as is damn

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>Playing Karrthus
>t1 mountain
>t2 gruul turf, 8 cards in hand, discard bogardan hellkite
>t3 forest, cultivate
>t4 tempt with immortality rezzing bogardan and wiping everyones mana dorks

I know it's not the most amazing thing ever but I never thought I'd see the day where I used gruul turf as secret tech to reanimate an 8 drop holy shit.

I threw karrthus together with my zirilan EDH's dragons and a bunch of GB jank I had lying around and the deck is just insanely fun, really glad I decided to make it, can't wait to actually order some cards for it and tune it so it's not just 'random shit I found in binders' tribal, though I did discover a new fun card, Guild Feud is surprisingly fun in dragon tribal, kinda wish it cost 1 or 2 less but it feels great getting a free dragon most of the time.

>>52847861
New Converts edition eh?

Alright, I'll bite. Convince me, why I should play Commander and not something else.
I tried it in the early days, but it fell out of favor with me.

The competitive version is too competitive
The casual version is too casual

When I do feel like channeling my Vorthos into things I prefer making casual constructed decks, because they're infinitely easier to build.

I'm not a fan of the highlander 1 card limit thing, I like mixing 1-ofs with playsets.

What I do like about Commander is the Commander itself - the feeling of building entirely around a pet favorite legendary creature.
They're not all created equally though, and things seem to get degenerate at the 4-5 color end. (Although the new partner mechanic seems pretty cool)
The fact that multiplayer commander seems to degenerate into Stacks Vs Combo: The Politics pushes me toward duel Commander where aggro and control can feature more.

Duel Commander might be nice but I don't like how there's different ban lists and shit and the community around it seems shitty like the Pokemon Smogon faggots.

In many ways Commander just feels like chasing the elder dragon.

>>52849723
The thing I like about commander as a competitive vector is building taking a commander with a build around ability and tuning that to its maximum. I think if you can find a group for it, that's the best way for you in particular to enjoy it. For example with the OP image of RG Wort. What's the best RG Wort deck?

>>52849345
If you play in a battlecruiser meta then it is a great strategy

Duel commander's banlist is the faggiest thing ever.

>>52849797
Battlecruiser is defined by Craterhoof.

>>52849879
It's among the best banlists in the game though.

>>52849884
>Breya is banned
>Solring is banned.

Tell me why I should agree with you.

>>52849910
>card banned that dominates the combo-control archetype, invalidating all other decks in the archetype because they are strictly worse
>card banned that would be in every single deck in the format and lets whoever opens with it win the game
I'm not exactly seeing the problem here.

>>52849545
How many dragons do you run?
I found I whiffed about half the time when I used feud.

>>52850027
24 dragons
8 non-dragons, mostly around 1-3 toughness, so they'd probably die in a fight


Maybe I need more dragons. hmm

>>52848989
It's a stupid undercosted design abortion. 4/4 for 4 with 5 abilities. It's like Siege Rhino all over again except even worse. And it gets you the best EDH colors as a bonus. And it supports a cancerous card type (planeswalkers)

>>52849012
>Oh and did you guys know? The state of feeling nothing at all, which is to say not even that "numb inside" feeling, is defined as "Atraxia". How neat is that?
I think you're remembering something slightly wrong.
You might be confusing it with Ataraxia, which means a state devoid of troubles, or equanimity.
You're allowed to feel good in Ataraxia, but only a calm, pleasant feeling. One's mental state has to be as tranquil as a still lake.

>>52847961
Lovisa Coldeyes or Vela the Night Clad

I wanna make a battle of wits deck. How do?

>>52851451
You rock shit like opalescence, and beat people to death with battle of wits.

Barring that you can ask your playgroup to break the rules for you to give you a big enough sideboard and then use research to get that shit in your deck. But if they are already breaking the rules for you they might as well just let you run a fuckhuge deck.

If you want to still be playing something that can be called EDH then I would recommend just beating people with it as a creature.

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>>52847861
This bitch. It's been such a long time since I have had as much fun with any deck. It's a cleric tribal and that's just great

>>52851523
>Battle of wits voltron
I never knew I needed this but now I want to build it.

>>52849386
I once made my Breya deck into a token sacrifice deck with Panharmonicon, Marionette Master, Butcher of Malakir, It that Betrays, Thopter Assembly and various other token creators.
I didn't get to test it and goldfishing made it feel boring and repetitive.

>>52847861
Sapling of Colfenor. Playing anything but green for two years really makes you appreciate ramp, fog effects and naturalize.

>>52849910
#freebreya
#thopters4lyfe

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>>52847861
If you could use any legendary permanent, not just creatures, as your commander, who would you choose?

Goggles would be interesting in a creatureless red deck.

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>>52851943
>mfw staff of domination is not legendary
Fug

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>>52851943
I like Legendary Lands.

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>>52851943
I've wanted to do it for ages, but when I was discussing it with my group we kinda agreed that it would be an absolute rules nightmare.

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>>52851943
I've always wanted to make a deck with pic related

>>52852006
>>52852019
spoopy

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>>52851943
>using this to cast decimate

why have i never thought of this before

so many cards, so little time

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>>52847961
This bad mofo. Combo out with your creatures, or combo out with your opponents creatures.

>>52849294
It's extremely strong, you just have to make sure that you don't end up with no cards in hand and it in play.

>>52852771
Someone in my group absolutely loved that and recycle for a while. Then I started putting some group discard in some of my decks and now he's traumatized.

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A. Controls mirrorworks and plays panharmonicon, paying 2 for mirrorworks' triggered ability
A. Controls mirrorworks(x1) and panharmonicon(x2) and plays sculpting steel as mirrorworks, triggering mirrorworks 3 times and paying 6 and having all copies enter as mirrorworks
A. Controls mirrorworks(x5) and panharmonicon(x2), any further further artifacts trigger all five mirrorworks three times each, and 30 mana can be spent to create 15 copies of the artifact
I hope it was a sol ring or gilded lotus because you'll need all that mana
>your casual friends make -that- face

>>52852801
Yeah and there aren't that many sacrifice outlets for enchantments, especially not in black. Either you're all in or you better have Claws of Gix in play.

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Oracle's Vault in mono-red or mono-white for card draw?

>>52852899
Very plasusible in mono white.

>>52849949
>card banned that would be in every single deck in the format and lets whoever opens with it win the game
You just really suck at this game, huh? If you're letting one piece of ramp defeat you, you've got problems.

>>52849060
Elementals.

>>52852899
too slow for atraxa, but could try

>>52851637
Got a list?

Hazoret's Monument in Daretti yes or no

>>52847861
>What's a deck that you were hesitant about at first, but quickly became attached to?

Quite a few of mine! Most notably Non-superfriends Atraxa (Started as Atraxa Energy but turned into "How many counter types can I figure out to proliferate?" I guess if having a couple PWs makes it superfriends, I'm in the same cancer boat as everyone else)

>>52852899
Probably replaces Jayemdae Tome in almost anything that was still somehow running Jayemdae Tome.

>>52853041
>Atraxa Energy
But proliferate doesn't work with Energy?

>>52853044
That comparison seems a little unfair. Jayemdae is unplayable because of its activation cost, while this vault costs 2 less to activate. Plus, the payoff for 3 bricks is pretty good.

>>52853148
>proliferate doesn't work with Energy?
Sure it does why do you think you can proliferate poison counters

>>52853019
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-04-17-rCX-clerical-error/
I have few extra cards I need to cut apparently,

>>52853168
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize energy was considered a kind of counter. I should read cards more often.

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>>52847964
>being so fucking stupid you think Atraxa Superfriends is boring and meta
Holy shit, how bad at EDH can you be?

>>52853262
Not him but "the meta" just refers to any type of deck that is currently recognized as regularly played. He didn't say it was high tier, just that it was in the meta. You're confusing two different definitions.

>>52853262
Atraxa Superfriends is boring though, both to play and to fight against. Atraxa has just one keyword too much to be balanced - pick literally any keyword.

>>52853344
Atraxa is perfectly balanced unless you're a turboshitter. Seriously, what the fuck?

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>>52851943
Pic related

>>52852006
>but when I was discussing it with my group we kinda agreed that it would be an absolute rules nightmare.
How so?
>enchanted land's damage counts as commander damage
>when Genju would be put into your hand, graveyard, exile etc. you can put it back into commander zone
>you pay additional tax and shit

>>52853398
>turboshitter
underagefag spotted

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>>52853425
It's cool, my dude. I've been playing EDH for seven years now. Once you aren't new to the format, you, too, will stop getting super butthurt about every general you don't like.

>>52853453
I've been playing EDH for 26 years and your opinion is bad

I've been wanting to get into EDH for a while now and I'm looking into budget decks to get started.
Zada looks like a cheap and effective starting point, but my main gripe with it is that it seems too uni-dimensional, with every game playing out the same. I'd like something with a bit more variance to it so I won't get bored quickly.
Any suggestions?

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>>52853475
No, you haven't.

>>52853475
>hasn't played EDH since he was born
Fuck off, FAGGOT

>>52853551
Lazav clone tribal. Not even you know what you're gonna play before the game starts!

>>52853403
>>52851960
Both of you are degenerates.

>>52847861
>tfw most of my decks are finely tuned and have expensive cards
>this triggers the /edhg/

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>>52853744
>(You)

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I pulled Pyramid of the Pantheon as my prerelease promo and don't know how to feel about it.

I like cards that cost little and give me something to sink excess mana into.

But it's a pretty awful topdeck.

>>52853961
On the other hand, Gilded Lotus isn't a great topdeck either if you're looking for gas instead of more mana

>>52853961
It feels like halfway between Lotus Bloom and Gilded Lotus, both of which I use but for different purposes. Gilded is great for tap/untap shenanigans and tapping immediately for mana, while Bloom is great when returned from GY to battlefield or cast for free. This does neither.

STOP TAGGING CARDS AS FOILS IN TAPPEDOUT IT JUST MAKES IT HARDER TO READ THE CARD AND NO ONE CARES IF YOU GOT A FOIL OR NOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52847897
Lifelink is the keyword that they fucked up. You already get the proliferate from green, deathtouch is black, flying is blue, and vigilance is white.

Maro is a retard because he overcompensates by a single value constantly because he miscounts them. You can see it in the editing of modern card text: each quote that sounds idiotic is because one function too many was allowed to convey the thought.

Maro if you're reading this you fag say one thing less just all the time. It's your sin.

>>52854087
>Maro had anything to do C16

This meme is becoming tired

>>52854076
I only use Tappedout to keep track of my decks, including what still needs foiled. I don't care if no-one else ever reads them.

>>52854087
Proliferate is also blue, deathtouch is also green, flying is also white, and vigilance is also green. They're all shared by the Atraxa's colors.

Why are you getting upset over a Timmy card? Because a card can only have as many keywords as it has colors? 5 keywords for 4 colors completely breaks everything MTG stands for?

>>52854076
Sharing lists is incidental, I use TO to keep track of shit for my own use ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>52854119
This

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>>52847861
Athreos.

It started out as a generic build, but then I started to use weird shit like Temporal Extortion and white counterspells. It's become a politics-based deck and it's a ton of fun.

>pic related, my favorite card in the deck

>>52854087
What the fuck is wrong with you? There's nothing broken about Atraxa. She's a strong value creature that beats in. Have you EVER played against a legitimately degenerate deck?

Have any of you ever used serum powder? How is it? I'm considering it for my Kozilek deck.

>>52854169
I love that card, but keeping track of the triggers get a little ridiculous when you throw in ETB creatures like Fleshbag Marauder and Abyssal Gatekeeper.

But if your goal is to cause misery, Endless Whispers + Tainted Aether is some top tier shit.

>>52853453
>have been playing for so long and still being bad at it
Just kys yourself holy shit

Am I bad person for giving Niv-Mizzet, The Firemind Curiosity AND Ophidian Eye and decking myself with a Lab maniac out?

>>52854169
Do you have a list? Been thinking about Athreos the other day

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Are efficiently-costed creatures worth a few slots to you? I like being able to pick off planeswalkers without expending much effort, and I like the addition of deathtouch on this little guy.

>>52854381
Not unless they have a really sick ability to go with it.

>>52854356
It's not evil, it's boring.

>>52854129
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Go away, namefag.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-04-17-kruphix-god-of-horizons-edh/

Any ideas on what I could change to keep it decently budget but to make it a little more optimized or give it some more oomph? I'm looking for some dumb, fun shit to throw all over the place. I'd like a few more combos really. I think I'm finally breaking out of my funk by going back to basics, but I'd like to finish it off with some style.

Also, the Eye of Ugin is probably coming out because I don't really use it often.

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>>52847861
i had slobad put together knowing i didnt have the best of pieces. tested against friends and it was pretty interactive and tenacious, mcguyvering together combos to get me by. i need a few parts like Mesmeric Orb, paradox engine, and krarks clan ironworks to really get it going. maybe some other junk for fun.

>>52852277
Just remember that decimate is target artifact, target creature, enchantment, AND land. If you somehow fail to target one of those things, the whole spell fizzles.

>>52855274
> the whole spell fizzles.

no it doesn't

>>52855274
No, you need to make all targets invalid for the spell to fizzle.

>>52855292
>>52855410
I believe anon meant that you need targets to begin with, not that it fizzles.

>>52855448
what a weird anon, what game in edh doesn't have permanents to target?

>>52855274
You can target the same permanent twice if there's only one on the field.

>>52854370
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/athreos-god-of-whatever/

It's not the most optimized or greatest by any means, but I've never not had an interesting game with it.

How does the copies of spells you cast with Zada interact with Aetherflux Reservoir? Would it count each copy, or just the original spell?

>>52855664
Just the original. Zada only copies spells. Reservoir needs you to cast spells to trigger, so Zada copies don't count.

>>52855699
Yeah, I should've figured. Thanks, anon.

>>52855465
>what a weird anon, what game in edh doesn't have permanents to target?

Sometimes there's no handy enchantment, say, but one of your own.

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>>52851943
With Tatsumasa, you can elect to just move it to your command zone while using it's ability.

>>52847861
I just realized I fucked up and put the subject in the name box, color me a particular shade of autism, friends.

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>>52856059
It's OK to be autistic here, anon. I appreciate you making the thread for us!

>>52855929
Rekt

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>>52856118
>Oh I don't see a new thread I'll just make one
>Shit it's late at night I gotta crash for work better do this fast
>What's a good thread question ... oh that ought to get some stories
>Shit don't forget a thread name dumbass
>result of my work is pic

>>52856261
My shame knows no end

This thread is fucking dead.

Let's talk about how stupid Sheldon "EDH is like my rock band" Menery is.

>>52849012
is there a commander with a more anime design than atraxa?

>>52857257
What now? Nothing about Atraxa says "anime" to me.

>>52857257
Tariel

>>52857284
a heavily stylized and colorful mecha angel that wouldn't look out of a place on pixiv to me. idk, i thought norn was a japanese design before i started playing magic.

>>52857464
The white side of New Phyrexia is like that in general.

>>52857284
She looks exactly like a Final Fantasy boss.

>>52857511
Final Fantasy isn't exactly "anime" either, and you can find a decent amount of designs that fit that same criteria going back pretty early into the game. Look at someone like Volrath.

>>52852277
Can't you not cast this if there isn't one of those types of permanents on the field?

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Getting this in a few days, what build?

also if i cast something simic colored, both effects go off and i decide in which order they happen right?

trinket mage can fetch lands, right?

>>52857845
>also if i cast something simic colored, both effects go off and i decide in which order they happen right?
Correct. Casting a Simic creature basically lets you tutor for any creature in your deck.

>>52857806
That is correct.

>>52858015
Thought so, thanks. My friend tried to blow up all my shit but there were (somehow) no enchantments on the field so he got mad when I told him he couldn't cast it without an enchantment to target

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>want to build something with Doomsday
>Grenzo caught my eye for some reason
>already have so much fucking red in my decks

Help

>>52849545
>mana dorks
That is what they get for not playing mana rocks.

>>52858079
Why stop?

>>52857924
One of the artifact lands, yes.

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Why does this card exist? "If your opponents aren't drooling retards, you get a Concentrate/Harmonize"

>>52858283
Nothing wrong with Concentrate. I've had players give me an extra turn before when I promised them I could take care of the lead player.

>>52848645
Another way to look at it is a 25% winrate deck in the range of environments you want to play in. I'm a cheap ass who also likes good jank at any price, plus there's mostly wacky bullshit in my meta. I try to interact without tuning my deck to be effortlessly oppressive. I like to sideboard in super metaincestuous cards instead of "toolboxing ;)" every in-color tutor. It's a contradictory effort, but so is netdecking for fun.

Try Wort like OP says. Use absurd win conditions Scapeshift into Valakut + however many Mountains into copied Scapeshift, or copied Wake of Destruction, in order to blow up "laid back" but treacherous playgroups that can handle it. Purphoros gets better the more dorks you bring (I emphasize red board wipes and ramp over tokens and creatures). Side that brutality out for Revel of the Fallen God, Treacherous Terrain, Beacon of Destruction, other less whining-inducing spells. Decimate is sometimes tough to cast when everything keeps getting blown up by everyone. Seedtime wins the game if you have mana after you blow too soon, Pyroblast / Red Elemental Blast stop Deadeye Navigator (it's always Deadeye fucking Navigator) and help you blow cleanly and in a timely fashion. Stranglehold. That's all: Stranglehold.

Land is cheap for Gruul. You can use lots of basics anyways for Boundless Realms (copied, to their dismay).

Ephara is also cheap. I have written enough, however; I do not love her with Gruul love.

>>52858283
Good political card. Like >>52858337 said, you can use it to strike deals and take care of problem players while also giving yourself a nice little boost. Political EDH is the most fun EDH.

>>52858118
Why not both?

>>52858283
It's a really good trap because it's almost always better to let a non-combo deck have an extra turn than an Ancestral Recall.

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>>52858283
Fuck you. Why does THIS card exist? At least one idiot usually can't ruin the whole game with votes, unlike with this card

>>52858806
I love how at its worst it's still Reap and Sow.

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>>52858806
>mfw my group takes the bait every time when I play Titania
>end up with Cradle and fetches
>make an army with Scapeshift and cracking fetches

>>52858838
Not necessarily - R&S can get your best land, but with Tempt a smart opponent can grab a Strip Mind and leave you with only your 2nd best.

>>52858838
The second land you grab isn't Petrified Field? I thought we were talking Cradle packages here.

>>52853475
Are you Richard Garfield?
Did you play EDH in your initial game design?

>>52853601
>hasn't played EDH since before he was born

>>52859223
>it turns out that EDH had been planned from the start
>it was developed in the background over time and then was planted by judges working directly under Garfield
>every other format was just a front for testing new card designs for EDH with a couple other things thrown in to keep the "testers" happy i.e. the regular player base
EDH: the one true format.

>>52854223
Play musical chairs with creatures, until somebody bites the bullet kills a non-creature permanent. And worst comes to worse you can just sac your enchant to end the cycle. Fun.

>>52858079
Grenzo Doomsday is best Doomsday.

>Guy over extends
>I hold back and take 15 damage over a few turns as he keeps dumping creatures out
>Play Blasphemous Act
>Win the game while he durdles with 1 card a turn
>He calls Blasphemous Act broken

Well alright then. Blasphemous Act is broken but your Sheoldred wasn't I guess

>>52859705
Neither of those cards is broken.

>>52859705
Oh man, is "land destruction is okay because praetors are bullshit" anon back?

>>52855009
That list looks fun.

Personally, I like skyshroud claim for ramp and burgeoning is a nice ramp card that isn't too pricey. Also, if you like copying creatures, the new Vizer of Many Faces is basically 2 casts on 1 card with the embalm. If you're looking for mana dorks, the new Weaver of Currents might be a nice addition too. Greenwarden of Murasa gets you double graveyard recursion on 1 card. Genesis Hydra is pretty cool too.

I really think you'd be better served with at least 1 or 2 strip mine-type lands. Sometimes people get a strong land out that ramps them out of control or keeps you in check and that 1 or 2-of can save you.

>>52860072
Thanks for the ideas, anon.

>>52857845
Along the same lines as this anon, I have a full ramp package and a kruphix available, but I'd have to tone down my mono black ramp deck or my ghave combo deck to build it. Is Momir one of those cards where I can yissan a certain package early game to win, without throwing down crypts and thran dynamos? Am I better off just building kruphix and shitting out eldrazi?

>>52860046
>he has a problem with lolLD shitstomping
anon plz, you've never been in one of those games where some fag locks everyone else out on turn 5 have you?

>>52860276
>you've never been in one of those games where some fag locks everyone else out on turn 5 have you?
I have, multiple times, against people who play with land destruction. Never against someone who plays with a praetor though.

what is good average CMC for EDH deck? my current one has 3,8 which seems bit high

>>52860314
go get yourself some crucible of world's, proceed to never care about LD's ever again.
Praetors are god damn irritating, especially the blue and black one.

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So how banned is this card going to be?

>>52860419
>go get this one $50+ card with an incredibly unique effect to get one land drop per turn which is a soft counter against someone removing multiple lands

HOW ABOUT YOU GET SOME CREATURE REMOVAL OF WHICH THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CARDS FROM EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN SET YOU GIANT FUCKNUGGET

>>52860452
And why would it be banned, anon?

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If all my lands are creatures can I use this to stop a Damnation?

>>52860419
>still complaining about praetors
Literally why? They don't even make good commanders, and they're mediocre beaters due to their lack of protection. If someone isn't reanimating one t2, they're literally a nonfactor, doom blade kills all of them but one, and you can just bounce them for U then laugh maniacally. LD is inherently noninteractive because it's designed to limit your opponents ability to respond.

>>52860452
What would you do to break it? Cast Venser on top of it to bounce it then play it again? Which would cost 18 mana yeah?

>>52859933
Yeah that was the point of saying it, thought that was obvious.

>>52860493
The ruling says:
'9/20/2013 When the activated ability resolves, determine whether the targeted spell would destroy a land if it resolved right then. If it would, then counter that spell. Otherwise, it is not countered, even if the spell could, under other circumstances, destroy a land.'
If your lands are animooted, I'd say the spell is countered as it would indeed, in those circumstances, destroy one or more of your lands inconditionally.

>>52860486

Easy as piss wincon for control decks that no color but blue can actually interact with.

Either play it with black for tutors and necropotence synergy or play with blue for accelerated card drawing.

>>52860493
you could even make a "combo" with dryad arbor to prevent any wrath-like effect, I guess

>>52860476
Why are you being a baby over LD anon. Do you get this way when someone casts wrath of God too, or are lands just super special cards that people aren't allowed to destroy because you said so?

>>52860418
My average is 2.8, you generally want around 3 unless you're a Gxx deck or Maelstrom Wanderer.

>>52860476
Crucible is a staple in almost any deck. Recurring fetches, Strip Mine effects and various utility lands is well worth the slot, and discouraging MLD is a bonus.

>>52860585
Weak bait, but some idiot will reply.

3/10 is the best I can do.

>>52860572
That card is shite, it won't be banned, and won't be played. If you tutor and draw cards, you probably don't need a 7-drop crap spell to win.
Necropotence, that you mention, might as well be banned...

>>52857464
Norn is inspired by the Hellbound Heart. I am not seeing how that is anime.

>>52860572
>opponent cast spell
>opponent win game

WTF ONLY BLUE CAN INTERACT WITH SPELL. HOW WIN IF NOT BLUE?

I'm working on a life gain suicide deck using Aetherflux Reservoir. Any tips or suggestions? The goal is knock me and another player out as fast as possible.

>>52860734
Best tip I can give for that deck is don't make it

>>52860734
>I'm working on a deck that ignores the point of MTG
Excellent, might I recommend conceding the moment the game starts?

>>52860686

Please list all your wonderful and totally not garbage solutions that don't involve counterspells.

Go on. I'll wait.

>>52860863
There are so many easier combos than having enough mana to cast that card twice in one turn AND draw 7 cards in the same turn

>>52859528
>relying on combat on fucking Doomsday

>>52860863
Any creature with a power higher than 0 for starters.

>>52860418
2,5 to 3,5 is where you want to be at for most decks. Anything with green or enough artifact ramp in it could comfortably go to 4, but going over is pretty much suicide unless you have loads of tutors to reliably start your strategy.

>>52860960
As opposed to relying on no one removing Laboratory Maniac?

I'm making a 5-coloured deck that runs all the praetors and Terra Eternal.
Will it be too broken?

>>52860525
Reverberate it.

>>52861031
No you're just a faggot

>>52861012
Fair enough, but Lab man is still more consistent strategy. At least you can respond to the kill spell with another draw effect

>>52861040
Reverberate doesn't cast the copy

>>52861040
That doesn't even do anything. Gain some more life?
>>52861041
Wow rude

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>>52860987
>not attacking with 0/10's
pleb

>>52860863
Literally any mill card ever printed. Any search your opponents library and exile. 21 commander damage to the dome.
Forcing them to realize the target they've painted on themselves that's going to make them the next kill for anyone on the table that doesn't just combo out anyway.

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On the offchance that the correct anon sees this - in a CMDR thread a few days ago they talked about purchasing thin metal cards from a hobby store to make tokens out of (if I recall, they had a sticker printer and were going to put them on that way).

I did some shopping today and went into every craft store I could think of (Ottawa, Canada) and I couldn't find anything of the sort.

Anyone know the store or where you could get such a thing?

>>52860525
Remand it.

>>52861247
Completely irrelevant but how's it going my Ontario brother? Enjoying the good weather? What decks do you play?

>>52861262
That's 16 mana and 2 cards to win the game on the spot. there are any number of 2 card combos that win the game for far less than 16 mana. I don't see this being a problem.

>>52861247
>>52861313
Also, I'm pretty sure Home Depot will cut sheet metal to size if you ask nice. If that fails, I suggest just posting an ad on kijiji so you can pay some guy $20 to do it for you.

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On the fence about her, has anyone built her? How's the perceived threat at the table?

>>52861415
Depends on what you're trying to do. Combo?

>>52861439
Probably Lifegain shenanigans, B/W good stuff and reanimation.

>>52861415
I built her as cleric tribal, but I'm pretty much targeted no matter what deck I play regardless of the power level

>>52861492
Got a link to the list? I'm trying to gather up ideas for some neat Clerics to run, I always enjoy a good smattering of Tribal.

>>52861415
>>52861483
It's pretty underwhelming to be honest. I built exactly that deck, you're just going to grind every game on forever and you're going to rightfully get hated on for filling your deck with board wipes or reanimating elesh born/felidar soverign.

>>52861497
I already posted it in the thread:
>>52851637
>>52853183
Hope that it'll give you some ideas.
That said, it's fairly low power, but it has neat synergies.

>>52861415
>perceived threat
Low, but she's not bad and gaining infinite life is incredibly easy with her. Just tutor up some greaves and then use them with Crackdown Construct, Daru Spiritualist, Task Force, or Angelic Protector. You can also get tricky and use Transmutation to turn all that toughness into power and then fling your clerics with Starlit Sanctum, but it's not easy to do.

After that you don't have many combo opportunities other than what's in her colors. I'd recommend some B/W good stuff and reanimation like >>52861483 says. I usually reanimate eldrazi for flavor points.

I also run a combo with Enduring Renewal and Blood Artist/Zulaport Cutthroat and 0-drops like Endless One or Ayli with Edgewalker's support.

>>52861415
I think the power level on her if you go cleric tribal is pretty strong. If it were me I would hate on you because she can enable a few combos. With that casting cost though she can eat a lot of removal.

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What does /edh/ think of this guy? Seems a lot more fun than the other Daxos.

>>52861672
Bad, like the other Daxos.

>>52861415
No matter what stage of the game, everyone at the table will be trying to keep you under 50 life.

>>52861497
Here's my list, but it may not be completely updated. I'm still trying to find an Ulamog to add as well.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/endless-ayli-1/

Making a casual Awakening EDH deck in blue white green, anything that isn't super obvious (Crucible, Liege etc) that I should look into?

>>52861892
steel of the godhead

My group has suddenly become obsessed with the Kingdoms variant of EDH. I think it's time to drag Zada out of retirement.

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>dude plays Timesifter then gets mad when I get 5 turns in a row and win due to my high CMC curve
maybe don't run dumbass meme cards if you don't want dumbass meme circumstances to arise

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>>52862358
>tfw Timesifter and Stranglehold

>playing EDH without alcohol
Please tell me people don't actually do this.

>>52862471
Fuck off professor

>>52862471
I send my condolences anon that you must have alcohol to tolerate playing EDH

>>52861672
Only good for voltron, and there are much better voltron commanders. I played with him for a while and kept revising and tuning the list over time, but it always ended up getting boring.

>>52862471
Exactly, it's a horrifying thought.

>>52862535
>>52862528
What decks do you guys play?

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>>52862471
>my fucking face whenever I hear about people enjoying EDH most when drunk / high
It's so disgusting. Just go play Mario Party you degenerate.

>>52862556
Memnarch, Ayli, Brion Stoutarm, Ghave, Hanna and Rith mostly. I have several more, but I play less with them.

>>52862684
Hilarious, I play almost exclusively intoxicated and I have Memnarch, Ayli and Ghave as well. The only other decks I play are Uril, Brago, Lazav and Feldon. I was going to say something snarky about the correlation between your decks and your choice in fun, but you're alright.

I have around 10 decks in combinations of red blue and green. Help me branch out, what's good in black white or black/white?

>>52862960
Daxos
Teya, Orzhov Scion
Marrow-Gnawer
Gisa
Odric, Lunarch Marshal

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How is she as a commander?

>>52863489
Kinda lackluster, but if you have a slower meta she really powers up your late-game with the constant ramping.

>>52863489
boring/10

All Karametra does is ramp into eldrazi, which is boring and you shouldn't do because it isn't interesting or even all that fun to do every game.

>>52863489
A little dry and you'll be shuffling a lot. She's good as an enchantress general, but you'll probably grow bored of her quickly.

>>52863523
Alright thanks

what does /tg/ think of alternative wincons like felidar sovereign, azor's elocutors, biovisonary and all the others?

>>52863545
>>52863528

What's something more interesting I can play without breaking the bank too much?

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>>52858283
Because you can rig the vote.

>>52863572
Are you looking to stay in GW or are you fine with different colors?

>>52863597
Any colors is fine

>>52863560
Love them to a certain extent. Some of them are for assholes, but Azor's Elocutors are cool in my book. The tougher or wackier they are to pull off, the better. I play EDH for variety after all.

>>52863560
I don't like lab maniac.

Everything else is just fine. I actually blew someone out by countering their rite of replication and then kicking my own on their biovisionary.

>>52863560
They're like combos but less cheeky because you can see them coming if you don't know your opponent's deck

>>52862960
I have a similar problem where i had two +1/+1 counter decks, and wanted to make a simic deck

I dismantled one of them turning it into a chaos 4 color deck that is pretty good with Saskia, now making a semi +1/+1 simic deck with other things as well, right now its an energy counter deck but thats pretty boring

>>52863615
This
I once used olivia voldaren to steal a felidar sovereign at the end of my friend's turn and won.

>>52863679
I realized I had a problem when I started to plan out a Kambal deck and then partway through it turned into Yasova.

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Hey guys, my friend is helping me build an EDH deck on the cheap. I was wondering what I should add to it?

>Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
>Rout
>Oblivion Ring
>Hornet Queen
>Thornwood Falls
>Planar Cleansing
>Polymorph
>Mana Bloom
>Mass Calcify
>Acidic Slime
>Coiling Oracle
>Reclamation Sage
>Wall of Blossoms
>Karmac Guide
>Birthing Pod
>Dig through time
>Primal Command
>Mizzium Meddler
>Clone
>Urban Evolution
>Treasure Cruise

>>52863608
Like a bunch of anons were saying earlier, Gruul Wort is great. She's G/R spellslinger which is a niche no other commander fills and she's pretty budget.

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>>52863560
They're ok, except a few like Felidar.

>>52863732
I'll consider throwing it together, thanks for the input

>>52863817
No problem, anon.

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>>52863721
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-04-17-noob-deck/

Made it a bit easier to read.

Favorite mono colored generals?

>>52858283
At worst, it's a Concentrate that's easier to hit outside monoblue. And sometimes your opponents will think that they'd rather not gas you up and you can rock the extra turn value.

It's a little like Browbeat in 20-life formats: the choice you offer is between something on curve and something on curve, both of which are good general use and basically dead never.

Plus, >>52863585 put that on a stick.

How do I build Yidris goodstuff? Maelstrom wanderer deck plus black? Any suggestions?

>>52864101
Build if you don't mind your turns taking forever to resolve

>>52864038
Probably Feldon just because he has such amazing flavor.

>>52864142
it's just a fucking old guy??

>>52864038
Probably Kemba. Though anymore, I'm looking for either something that's her, but more, or something that's her but at least multicolor. Kemba's dope though, and creature type cleric is a small cherry for me as they are my top favorite class outside MtG too.

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>>52864183
You've gotta be kidding me. Take a closer look at his art.
>that flavor text
>the really well detailed workshop
>the subtle way that Feldon's reflection is kissing the mechanical head in his hand

Also read this. One of the few legitimately good pieces of Magic writing.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/lorans-smile-2014-10-27

>new converts edition
I've played 2 games of EDH
One with a deck I built (sygg river guide).
I built Jhoira, really want to test her.
I'm probably going to finish Mikhaeus the Unhallowed tonight (humans go home).

>>52864183
you have to be pretty amazing to accidentally build a dragon when you are trying to make your wife

>>52864183
How are you so wrong?

>>52854381

If you can make sure to get it for 1 mana then yes this is a steal! I put this in my Meren Deck and it's freaking bomb AF!

>>52864040
desu you run illusion of choice for when you cast expropriate and copy it. :^)

>be me
>get with friends to play our meme cube at LGS
>someone plays Enter the Dungeon
>5 grown ass men get on the dirty fucking floor and play magic
>store owners daughter takes a picture and posts it to the store's Facebook
>the subgame takes 45 minutes
>the winner tutors up a Karoo and a dork
>kill self
How have you guys embarrassed yourselves in public, /EDH/?

>>52865152
Sounds like fun. Almost as fun as the time we unbanned Shahrazad for a game, let someone cast it, and then someone copied it 10 times.

And we played it out. Took 5 hours.

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>Want to make manland.dec after talking to my playgroup about running Genju of the Realm as my commander.
>No idea what spicy tech I should throw in.
I really like the idea, but I'm wondering if there's any good land creature synergies/combos.

>>52865284
Something to give your shit indestructible so that you don't lose all of your lands to a boardwipe.

>>52865313
Terra Eternal is what you're looking for.

I just bought the Yidris deck.

Is there a wincon to this deck or piloting hints?
What meaningful upgrades can I make to it?

Commander deckbuilding tips?

What would be a contrasting style but still fun commander deck to build?

>>52865321
>>52865284
Yeah, that and anything else that you can use to prevent a stray Wrath of God or what have you from completely blowing you out.

>>52865284

My Gitrog deck started out as manlands because I didn't want to do the typical meme frog horseshit, but as I fine tuned it, removing cards that under performed, before I knew it it was typical meme frog horseshit anyway.

>>52865327
Value town. Ideally, the moment Yidris connects should lead to your victory because everything you play has a good chance to be an explosive play.

>>52865327
I've seen people build yidris storm, the precon is more of a wheel deck, it doesn't use Yidris to his full potential

New Thread time?

>>52865545
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>>52865284
Tons of boardwipes. As long as your lands aren't creatures they go underneath them.

>>52862560
>degenerate
>>>/pol/

>>52857257
her foot is GIANT, cannot unsee