Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

FIRST FOR THE LION

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Moap, you around?

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>Core rules are free so maybe we will also see free datasheets
>If they are free then they will be thinned down instead of 200+ pages of useless rules
>New starter set - maybe with Stormcast-sized NuMarines
>Maybe GW will also release an AoS-like app and branded list builder
>All whiny and salty malcontents will burn their armies like they have done with their 20-years old fantasy blobs so lgs-communities will be less cancerous and more newbie-friendly
Oh my, what a time to be alive

>>52841856
Whoa
I've never seen such a cancerous post

>>52841856
>All whiny and salty malcontents will burn their armies like they have done with their 20-years old fantasy blobs so lgs-communities will be less cancerous and more newbie-friendly
I heard the guy who burned his army plays aos now

>>52841882
Then there is a hope for everyone

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I trust GW, maybe I am like a battered wife, though I feel very happy and hopeful about the changes.

>>52841856
>play a game for two decades
>new people come in and piss all over it

>>52841922
Playing 40K has a lot of things in common with battered wife syndrome desu

>>52841922
I don't see the end of the world in their latest announcement so I'm pretty hopeful for 8th edition.
Although 8th is also where WHFB went really bad...

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H-hey g-guys
I made OC, what do you t-think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A3G6JcLn24

>>52841958
>Although 8th is also where WHFB went really bad...
>Not 6th
Sure thing buddy

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So my group's moving up from 1500 to 1850 point games for the summer (although this may get BTFO given the announcement) and I though I'd give my mech-guard a rest and try a new army.

The intention is that it would be a company of pre-heresy Dark Angels who have recently been spat out of the warp on some Calibanesq knight-world and have started up a new Order to deal with the beasts (thus causing friction with the knightly houses and the social upheaval the fallen are known for)

also mean I can use them in 30k games some of the guys have been talking about

Also quite cheap to buy because I'd just need Betrayal at Calth, a handful of forge-world parts and e-bay dark vengeance cultists

What do you guys think?

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>>52841964
Got a chuckle out of me. Quit stuttering.

>>52841783
Has anyone attempted to convert tyranids to remove the dumb bio-guns, bone swords, etc? I love tyranids but holy fuck do they look dumb with their 'guns but made of meat' design. The swords and whips are easy enough, since all you really need to do is remove the fingers and maybe turn the swords so they're pointing down, but their guns I'm having trouble with. Not really sure how you could represent them but ALSO make them look like anything other than a weird meat gun.

>>52841980
I MEAN
8th was also where WHFB was axed off

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I told you dawgs, I told you about the neo-GW.

>>52842008
>8th was also where WHFB was axed off
So it was the best edition?

>The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soon. If you do want to
pick any up, now’s the time - as all of the great hobby content and background information will
be as valid as ever.

So its sigmared

>>52842022
They haven't said anything worrying yet though
>>52842048
I don't know, I try to forget my life as well as I can with each passing day

>>52842022
Why are those maids cumming from their eyes?

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>8th Edition announced

So, it begins.

The biggest autistic screeching of our time.

>>52842059
I for one welcome our new Kharadron overlords

>>52842059
>So its sigmared
But we knew it for few last months. The only question was if they would cut off the previous lore/background

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>>52841988
Your list is wrongbad. Terminators need 5man to take reapers, the combimelta is pointless because hydras teeth replaces it, autoguns and plasma pistol arent worth it... Go read your codex

>>52842059
WHAT FUCKING HOBBY CONTENT

>>52842082
No screeching... just a despondent sigh.

Guys, 40k has been trash for awhile now. There isn't much they can do to make it worse than it currently is. It'll be fucking fine.

>>52842103
Painting guides for factions.

>>52842103
I think I had neat hobby content in my 3rd edition codexes.

>>52842123
But those cheap fucks haven't put even those in codexes since like 5th edition

>>52842059
now I'm depressed

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Post your face when GW will release General's Handbook for 40k and it turns out to be shared with AoS and usable in both games

>>52841964
I like it. Good job Anon

>>52842177
Don't worry anon, I'm sure you can get some cash back if you sell your army for cheap online.

Make sure you link us if you do.

>>52842149
They still have them in the Eldar book.

I'm referring to the pages of 2d shots of models provided solely so you can see what the unit looks like when painted for a specific Chapter/Warband/Craftworld/Forge World. They usually also include details like squad markings or special awards.

>>52842059
Sharing some aspects with Age of Sigmar does not make it "Sigmarred" you spergs.

AoS sucked because it was a ham fisted destruction of a beloved game and setting with no real alternative. This is obviously a much more careful release that respects the setting, keeps the game competitive and trims the massively obese fat from 40k.

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>>52841856
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

>>52842115
I don't get people like this... Why even play 40k or go on generals for 40k if you have so LITTLE fun with it. All this negativity towards the game. It's not great but its not trash and you can have a lot of fun from it. Saying it can't get any worse is such an exageration.

>>52842257
You're referring to the catalogue of models that every manufacturer needs to shit out so they can sell their models, I assume. That's not a fucking hobby section, it's pure, cold marketing bullshit with no heart or useful tips like you used to get in Codexes of old.

>>52842232
I'm not selling anything.
I don't know what the rule base will be. Current codexes are going out the window but what that means for my tyranids is unclear as I've no idea how rules changed between WHFB and AoS to compare this with. That uncertainty alone is depressing after putting so many years into these plastic miniatures.

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Ok, so we know the grognards are BTFO.

But the real question is -how- BTFO?

>>52842308
Well, we can be sure about 1st and 2nd point and about new starter set tho. Let the man dream

>>52842313
>Saying it can't get any worse is such an exageration.
Not really. As it is, 40k is a bookkeeping nightmare and a list writing simulator where your input doesn't really matter because both sides are wiping units with each salvo and trying to garner the best rule-bloat combo or Decurion trickery from three different books.

>>52842287
AoS sucked because they turned a game of epic battles into a shitty low-res skirmish game.

The complete rework of the lore into stargate but magic was also a horrendous atrocity but you need to separate your dislike of the shitty lore from the shitty game. AoS is awful because all aspects of it were terrible.

40k literally cannot get worse than 7E unless they keep moving in that direction, and dozens of signs point to moving in the AoS direction instead. AoS is a better game than 7E the moment someone starts a WAAC arms race.

All the morons crying in fear are the same idiot who have never played a competitive game in their life, have no idea how to perform advanced maneuvers like sniping without precision shots, 36"+ infantry assaults, or limiting overwatch deaths to one model max no matter how many wounds they deal. You're the same morons who despite being complete retards and scrubs argue that Tau aren't even OP because they don't win tournaments, when THEYRE WINNING TOURNAMENTS and are currently doing better than even marines

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While everyone's panicking over 8th, I just want this guy's model updated into plastic, for crisper details and looking even more bulky.

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Based Duncun all in the one convenient location.

https://warhammer40000.com/build-paint/

>>52842345
>Plays nids
>Is depressed about edition change
Once you're at the bottom of the barrel, there's nowhere to go but up, anon.

>>52841964
Very nice, I saved it for future use :)

>>52842370
>caring about oldmarines
Its gonna be all Numarines from here on

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>>52842069
What's wrong with you?

Reposting >>52841106

>>52842313

Bitching and complaining is an integral cultural practice of nerds or wargamers or whatever. Grognards (Grumblers) I think literally predates warhammer or warhammer 40k as a demonym of wargamers.


>>52842358

I don't quite understand why they wanted to go smaller with AOS. You'd think on a shekel level GW would want to encourage more larger-scale stuff.

>>52842382
>Once you're at the bottom of the barrel, there's nowhere to go but up, anon.

You forget that you can also go outside of the barrel. Ask the Bretonnians and Tomb Kings.

>New Ork rules for 8th edition
>Orks are a race of slow and massive warriors
>to represent this, all orks' movement is 1" and they can never run or charge more than 1" per turn but their toughness is an impressive 4!

>>52842358
I can't believe that meme still exists.

No, you fucktard, you can play AoS with humongous armies, it's just that unlike WHFB you don't HAVE to field humongous armies anymore before the grognards let you play

>>52842216
Since they said that current rules won't be compatible I'm not surprised

>>52842333
You are being intentionally dense think pages 58-77 of the eldar codex.

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>>52841882
>I heard the guy who burned his army plays aos now

The dude who burned his dark elves you mean? What does he play now?

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>>52842382
>Once you're at the bottom of the barrel, there's nowhere to go but up, anon.

>Play Sisters
>Can't see the barrel anymore. Must have tunneled through and hit magma
>it's warm
>so warm

>>52842059
We know that the new units are having a movement stat, and there's been lots of talk about replacing AP with Rending. Both of these changes would mean every unit in the game needs a new statblock.

>>52842416
>I don't quite understand why they wanted to go smaller with AOS. You'd think on a shekel level GW would want to encourage more larger-scale stuff.
All the grognards already had their 4000 point armies and would go out of their way to buy third party stuff so they could stick it to GW, so GW wasn't seeing a penny from those guys.

And telling a new player how he's going to invest a thousand bucks before he's allowed to play at all is kinda sorta discouraging so they lowered the entry barrier. You can still build huge armies, you just don't have to do that anymore.

>>52842456
You made me laugh anon. Thank you.

>>52842416
Because WHFBs massive scale literally killed the franchise you morangutan

Their new business model is going to be volume of product over volume of purchases. They're spamming start collecting and box sets like 30k and talons of the emperor and shadow war now instead of battleforces and apocalypse

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>>52842347
>newfags actually believe this
>mfw
I ain't mad, more money I can spend somewhere else, I already have a gaming group that won't play the new edition and I have completed my armies, this ship can sink and I wouldn't care.

>>52842449
If memory serves, it was TK. Or maybe it was several people and we each talk a different one.

>>52842469
And all of that would make 40k so much better. A pointy-ear will finally move faster than marines and do so without Battle Focus JSJ shenanigans.

And Rend instead of AP would finally mean that weapons aren't classified as being either AP3/2/1 or worthless anymore.

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>>52841856
>>All whiny and salty malcontents will burn their armies like they have done with their 20-years old fantasy blobs so lgs-communities will be less cancerous and more newbie-friendly

Well from the sound of the New Edition FAQ GW is actually taking measures this time to keep the veteren players. But then again you probably know that and are just baiting

>>52842093
it says hydra's teeth can be fired from a combi-bolter, or are you saying that it's pointless to have both?

Was a bit unsure on the terminators, I'm a guard player so x-number of weapons per x-models doesn't really come up I figured it meant 1 up to 5 and a second up to 10.. I'll rethink, might take more chosen instead

Plasma pistols are always shit I know (c'ept on cypher), but the Calth Chaplian has one so I don't mind burning the 15 pts

I figured auto-guns were like lasguns, shit but useful in numbers. will remove them and spend the point elsewhere,

ty

>>52842496
>refusing to play an edition you know nothing about
>sticks to 7E of all editions

Why don't you dumbasses play a better edition like 3, 4, or 5, retard? These are the kind of moronic fucks 7E caters to with their retarded Frankenstein army lists and bloat

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>visit pol
>thread on how warhammer 40k is a jewish plot to turn wargaming into a social justice infested cesspool designed to undermine western white aryan society because one of the promotional photos on the 40k website showed a white girl and a black boy playing warhammer
>see girl is playing nids, laugh
>close pol

>>52842424
For experience playing big games is horrible and rapidly becomes a chaotic mess, but then again you're the grognardfag so you might as well die and I can't believe mods didn't permabanned (you)

>>52842478

Well that sounds good to me then.

>>52842347
Not sure where this idea is coming from. It seems like most veterans think 8th is going to be better than 7th, simply due to how awful 7th was.

>>52842424
>No, you fucktard, you can play AoS with humongous armies
Honestly, a game of AoS with 80 minis on the field lasts more than an afternoon so it's kinda preposterous.

>>52842496
See you in three months gushing about how awesome Age of the Emperor is

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>>52842496
Welp, at least you behave reasonable. Have fun with 8th age or whatever it will be called - wish you will not end like 9th Age players

>>52842548
3rd edition was the pinnacle of 40k

>>52842533
I'm sure they'll take measures to keep oldfags from quitting, but I also know just how salty 40k oldfags can be so they'll probably set their armies on fire anyway.

>>52842533
>GW is actually taking measures this time to keep the veteren players
Yeah, and what about this? Look at this thread na 40k groups - people are crying that they will drop 40k because of edition they know nearly nothing about. It will be End Times all over again which is funny because there will be no 40k End Times if we talk about lore

>>52842347
Well the most toxic grognards already haven't played 40k for centuries.

Most of those that remain are most likely gonna stay if GW is truely taking feedback into consideration. Because that is what the majority of grognards have been asking for for years.

>>52842554
I used to think that place had all the answers. Now I realise they have some of the answers, but act confident enough to convince most people they have all of them. I've since decided perhaps a neutral approach is best, i'll make my own mind up and enjoy painting my dudes.

>>52842548
I would if I could but that group started back in 6ed and they know no better and I'm not that desperate
>then play 8th retard
>implying it won't be a mess of rules and shitty writing
Having any hope in 8th after AoS should be considered a mental disorder

>>52842527
Oh, I'm hugely in support of both changes. I was just pointing out that we already knew that all old codices would be rendered obsolete with the advent of 8th; this wasn't a surprise.

>>52842022
What an inefficient tear gathering system.

When the belt moves, there will be periods where tears are being wasted. Surely it would make more sense for there to be a funnel connected to a larger vat under them, then that vat can be part of a different system depending on what you want to do with the tears, and since it is mechanical you will have complete control over it, so you get the advantages of a constant production of tears, but with no wastage.

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>>this fucking general
Jesus Christ. Every thread, every day, no matter what news you recieve, you maintain the same, smug negativity and get your circle jerks of bitching on. Do any of you honestly enjoy this hobby anymore? Have you ever been excited about anything or are you as cynical and depressed about all other aspects of your lives? Why torture yourself and others by engaging in something you don't even like? If every new thing of every day gives you the reaction of >>despondent sighing you might honestly have a problem and I worry about each of you. You know who you are.

Im overreacting but damn, you guys. Try and find an aspect of the hobby you enjoy and focus on it or you'll just be miserable forever.

Basically confirms it'll release around the rumoured June date
DG and ultra+ marines will roll out simultaneously for it

I'm afraid to buy anything since it seems a big update

>>52842613
>Having any hope in 8th after AoS should be considered a mental disorder
I never get this meme - what is wrong with AoS rules? Don't even bring the le longer beard maymay rule that has never been used

>>52842632
alternately you could just use tubes to suck the tears directly out of the ducts. the pain and irritation of having tubes in your tear ducts will in turn produce more tears.

>>52842646
ORKS AND NIDS ARE FUCKING SHIT!

>>52842611
Agreed. I think pol did use to be better than it is now though. Nowadays redpill is code for "white power" instead of "thinking critically"
It's best to go in with an open mind, get the facts and news, ignore most of the posts and opinions, then get the fuck out.

>>52842382
Part of me hopes for something better coming with 8. But I know it won't happen, no need to rub it in.

>>52842560
Just gonna speak from my own experience here, because it's such a fantastic example.

Hobby night at the FLGS: 4 40k dudes were scheduled to have a 2500 points game (as in, 1250 per player, 2500 per side).
Our own little AoS loser circle, completely shunned by the self-proclaimed 40k master race, played at the other table.

We got through literally three full decently-sized games before their first model was moved. We got through two more before their fliers arrived.

Certainly big AoS games drag on, but nowhere near as harshly as big 40k games.

>>52842591
This happens every edition though. It even happened with each codex update. People throwing a temper tantrum because their army that was fine-tuned to exploit the current rules for maximum gain is no longer viable. Which they should have seen coming before spending the first penny, GW updating rules is no secret.

People that collect and army rather than powergame an army usually are excited to put their collection to use in a different way.

>>52842667
it's a bit sad that we live in a time where we have to turn to /pol/ of all people to even ATTEMPT to dig out some unbiased truth.

>>52842660
Fyreslayers minis have a rule granting them bonuses when you insult your opponent. It's pretty bad sport.

>>52842660
There are just certain concepts in there that people really don't like.

Personally I just can't get over fixed to wound values in weapon profiles. If that didn't excist I might have tried AoS more than once.

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>>52842688
>don't bring maymay rules noone is using
>bring maymay rule

>>52842702
How it is a meme rule if it's actually in the rules ? Even in the GHB, so it's not a mere shit rule to spite fantashits.

>>52841931
Explain how new people came and pissed on 40k when GW did that itself when under Kirby.
If anything GW is going back to its roots, with 2nd ed rules.

>>52842646
It's the Simpsons effect, they are moving from one audience to other and the old audience is not comfortable with the changes, new generations knowing no better and in favour of an easier blanded version of it see no problem and being the entitled faggots they are believe the game should be focused on them instead.

>>52841964
Pretty good actually.

>>52842646
>Try and find an aspect of the hobby you enjoy and focus on it or you'll just be miserable forever.

I always tell new people that consider starting that they should do it mostly for the modelling and the painting, because that isn't gonna change much, and don't expect too much from the game itself.

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>>52841856
>>New starter set - maybe with Stormcast-sized NuMarines
I want this meme to die. The new models are clearly just a new armor mark for space marines.
Unless you retards are seriously claiming that they just happen to have the exact same color scheme and insignia as the ultramarines 3rd company, is compatible with the existing space marines devastor kit in some way, and have paint guides in what is clearly a space marine paint guide.

But nope, totally not just space marines you guys.

>>52842688
why do they even need that? I'm swearing at my opponent most rounds anyway.

>>52842646
>Try and find an aspect of the hobby you enjoy and focus on it

And most of us do, but GW has an annoying tendency to come along and fuck over those aspects we enjoy.

>>52842701
I really like the way they do daemon summoning and reserves. I hope we switch to that. Exponentially increasing disparity in list values mid game isnt very fun.

I wonder if 8th will individually update the pink horror and stop it from being the worst unit to fight in the game.

I'm assuming they're included with the changes to the codexes. But what about the supplements like traitor legions or ynnari? Will they still be useful? Would for people who've splurged on the limited edition stuff recently.

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>>52842739
>actually believing GW
I hope you like fixed values and four page rulebook

>>52842701
I'm not advocating it, but I don't really get why fixed to wound is bad. As is stands most things either wound on 4+ or 2+. This boosts the effectiveness of high damage single shot weapons, while everything else stays more or less the same.

I mean, the to wound chart isn't difficult to use either, but I can see the benefits of both systems.

>>52842059
No, not any more than the transition from 2nd to 3rd was sigmaring.
It's just 8th is a radically different ruleset.

And on the bright side, this time we don't have to pay to get replace our now useless rules.

>>52842059
They are changing a lot of stats. Hopefully implementing the AoS stat system instead of that dinosaur of a system they have been using so far

God I missed this salt so much. Can't wait to hear the spergs back at the shop who've been whining since Cadia blew up.

>>52842688
Do please try to stay honest.

Yes, Fyreslayers have a joke rule that tells you to insult someone, but the rule explicitly tells you to insult the model your Runeson wants to punch, not the opponent you're playing against.

>>52842805

>I fell for the limited edition meme so it had better work forever!

u srs mate?

>>52842411
Tears are cum of the soul. Think about it.

>>52842632
I believe the tears collection is not primary purpose of this setup but rather just a by-product.

>>52842769
In this pic it actally looks like those are just regular marines wearing proper MK VIII Errant armour.

Which would ... cost me a lot of money

>>52842775
>I wonder if 8th will individually update the pink horror and stop it from being the worst unit to fight in the game.

I hope they update the pink horrors to also not be the worst unit in the game for your wallet. Seriously, if you want to field a unit of 10 pink horrrors, you must have 50 models in total to play them legally. Just ... fuck that shit.

>>52842761
This is the best path to follow. >>52842773
You just can't expect anything of the game. If it happens to be good for a period of time, enjoy it, but I find you'll always be happiest just collecting what you like.

Seeking competetive and balanced 40k is the path of ultimate suffering. You must be like water.

>>52842805
Seems they are making big changes, and in making the codexes invalid it would likely include any unit listing.

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>>52842814
>four page rulebook
Yeah, it's great for open games. If I want to play narratives or matched I can always use a GHB

I hope they announce changes soon
Don't wanna buy something useless. Though I imagine if anything can be bought haphazardly it is stupid OP Eldar.

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>>52842772
>why shouldn't I be a toxic person in a friendly game
Geeez this millenials

>>52842646
You can leave for Reddit any time friendo.

>>52842814
They need at least 8 pages for all the effects models have.

>>52842723
Because, and this may shock you, most of the AoS players do not actually use these rules.

It was probably meant like
>in a few weeks you'll get serious new rules, until then, meet up with your mates, have a couple beers, say farewell to the old game and have a blast with some dumb joke rules
Unfortunately, GW's fanbase, being the caustic cesspool it is, took that shit so personally that a year and a half later, uninformed dipshits are still talking about it as though every AoS player is a drooling retard who rides a hobby horse around during games.

>>52842744
And then you've got the shit stain grognards who think GW will fuck up regardless of what anyone says, do nothing but trash talk them online and constantly threaten to quit if the next edition isn't the painful rules slog that keeps new people from getting into the hobby.

Of the two options, it's getting easier to understand which side GW chose and why.

>>52842869
I never said I was being toxic. I just swear a lot, whether i'm winning or losing. He's either a poor bastard or a jammy bastard, dependant on how things are going.

>>52842814
>I hope you like fixed values and four page rulebook
Thanks, I do. AoS is the best GW ruleset in over a decade.

>>52842805
They said everything they currently sell will be available.
So worst case scenario is Ynnari and the "United Imperium" detachments will stop existing and all Eldar and all Imperials are gonna get their own massive faction army lists.

>>52842866
>I hope they announce changes soon

The worst part about new edition announcements is the waiting untill you can read everything. After that the doom mongers usually go back into their cages.

>>52842660
>what is wrong with AoS rules?

Fixed rolls to hit and wound. Randomly determined turn orders. The ability to shoot into and out of close combat. Distances being determined from the most extended portion of the model and not the base. Removal of wargear options. Vastly simplified magic. Terrain benefiting small, tough units more than the big hordes of weak chaff that need the defensive bonuses it provides.

AoS does have some good ideas - Monstrous Creatures becoming weaker as they take damage and the Keyword system being two notable ones - but the system as a whole is garbage. Things like fixed hit/wound rolls make the game non-intuitive and hard to become immersed in, which means it fails as a narrative system (you want a more complex, more RPG-like ruleset for that sort of thing) and the oddities created from random turns and bizarre terrain/shooting rules mean it doesn't work as a competitive wargame either. Even with the General's Handbook, it just isn't very well designed.

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>>52842865
>millennial spoted
>why should I learn x I don't want too
>reading? That's for nerds
>basic maths? No way that's gay
>wah wah why don't they like what I like! SAFWE SPACE!!! SAFE SPACE!!!!
Out, leave and never come back

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>>52842850
I have a friend who loves tzeentch daemons and I pity him. No one wants to play against his incredibly overpowered but oh so flavorful army and he'll never ever be able to buy and paint all the horrors he'd need for his 50 pinks. New reasonable horrors would be a breath of life for him.

Meanwhile at least he has stupid, sexy thousand sons to work on.

>>52842902
>all Eldar and all Imperials are gonna get their own massive faction army lists.

The new site shows that this will not be the case however. There are three 'Sides' -Chaos, Imperium, and Xenos- and the vast majority of existing armies are listed below that, each an individual 'Faction'

Would be strange if they're gonna change that on such a short notice.

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>>52841988
>>52842093
re-hashed, should all be legal now. Apostle and lord are limited a bit by the models I intend on using for them (so plasma pistol and combi-melta burning 22pts)
any other glaring errors or advice?

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>>52842921
>Being this mad because I have a book for one type of games and 4-page rules for other type of games

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>>52842899
>grognards
Here's your (you), God I wish you were still banned

>>52842908
>>vastly simplified magic
Would be amazing, desu. I don't care if it stays as strong as it is, I just want it to go faster. The psychic phase is so boring and time consuming against majorly psychic armies.

>>52842646
>People on the generals are always complaining

What a surprise. A few things to remember:
-The vast majority never even played the game
-Those that used to play have odten stopped ages ago
-Players are actually the most chilled of the bunch
-Grognards are almst always doing it as a way of fitting on the bandwagon to have some sort of social interaction with other people by collectively shitting on the same thing

Stay away from thz generals apart frm where there is news to be had and you'll be fine. It's a toxic environment where players are a minority. Just go to your shop, have fun with you friends, enjoy what GW pushes out without the "risk" of beign called a shill and whatnot, and you'll be MUCH happier.

>>52842943
I thought about that but I wouldn't put it past GW.
Unless 8th edition literally hits in a month
I would love that desu I hate waiting

>>52842908
>Fixed rolls to hit
To be fair, BS is currently just a weird way for fixed to hit rolls.

Fixed to wound outside of poison weapons can die in a fire though.

>The ability to shoot into and out of close combat.
They really, really should not do this in 40k, with shooting being that much stronger than anything in Fantasy ever.

>Vastly simplified magic
Psychic powers could use a little simplification though, the current system is just a mess.

>>52842900
You're a toxic person, people put up with you for some reason, it's never fun when you play against someone that only open it's mouth to swear during a game in public

>>52842908
>Fixed rolls to hit and wound. Randomly determined turn orders
That's a matter of taste Anon. I like to hit and to wound rolls. Also I don't mind random turn orders - you can always talk with your opponent to find other way to determine the order tho.
>The ability to shoot into and out of close combat
But it's balanced - most distance units are shit in close combat
>Distances being determined from the most extended portion of the model and not the base
Aaaand?
>Vastly simplified magic
Thank God
>Terrain benefiting small, tough units more than the big hordes of weak chaff that need the defensive bonuses it provides
Yeah, there could be more rules about terrains tho

>>52842814
That's not what I asked about though you silly. I'm still waiting on how "new people" ruined the game accoeding to you.

>>52843000
>in public
now where did I say that. I only play games at my house when my friends come round.

>>52843000
>don't insult people
>he says while calling another anon an anti-social mouth breather
Is this a in-joke I'm not getting or...?

>>52842983
Not him, but AoS magic is definitely not the answer to simplifying the psykic phase. As is, it takes away too much player choice to make it fun or actually reward strategic use of your "resources," it's just "roll X number of dice and hope you get it."

>>52843034
Now that's why they put up with you

>>52843037
>what are modificators and list building

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>>52843037
>it's just "roll X number of dice and hope you get it."
Aka the best magic system

>>52843048
>put up with you
>for swearing
>Implying my friends are thin skinned pansies
>He's never had true bants with his friends
I feel sorry 4 u desu senpai.

>>52843058
List building is not strategy. You should know this, it is one of the biggest complaints about 7th edition

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Guardbros , trying again since my attempts last thread were derailed by someone shit posting as me. How does this look for a Kill Team game against Death Guard. I tried a low model Scion and vet force before but he tied up my special weapons with Raptors turn 2 and cracked my Sentinels easily. T5 5+fnp is no joke either.

PC has fnp
H Bolter is sniper
Plasma PE

>>52843036
>Is this a in-joke I'm not getting or...?
4chan

>>52842908
Except all of this is not a problem to anyone who's played at least two games of it.

>fixed hit and wound rolls
work out perfectly because a units toughness isn't determined by how easily someone wounds them but by how many wounds and what save something has. You wound a goblin the same as you wound a Sigmarine, sure, but that Sigmarine has a 4+ save and 2 wounds to tank the hits whereas the goblin has one wound and a 6+ save.

>Randomly determined turn orders
Keep things fresh. If that system loses you games, then frankly you're not adapting to an integral part of the game.

>The ability to shoot into and out of close combat
is literally never an issue. It doesn't change the fact that ranged units go down quickly and it opens a lot of tactical consideration when getting stuck in melee doesn't actually make you invulnerable to shooting

>Distances being determined from the most extended portion of the model and not the base
Is optional, as the GHB clearly states. If you're playing with scumbags willing to abuse this feature, insist on playing base-to-base with them. If you're playing with decent people, there's no problem. They only included that to pacify people who were pissed about the base shape change.

>Removal of wargear options
doesn't exist. Units have options and magic items exist as well, you just have a hard-cap instead of some vague points allowance for that stuff.

>Vastly simplified magic
Is in no way a bad thing considering WHFB's magic phase took up half the game and was a bloated broken mess

>Terrain benefiting small, tough units more than the big hordes of weak chaff that need the defensive bonuses it provides.
It actually benefits everyone the same, it's just harder to fit fifty guys into a forest than it is to fit 5 into that same forest, which, I dunno, sort of makes sense?

>>52843058
>what are modificators
Something you've just invented I think

>>52843058
>list building
>strategy
Oh gee, I guess I'm a strategic genius when I field WK and scatbike spam.

>>52843030
I never mentioned that fag, other anon

>>52843063
The current warp charge and dice system is no different. Roll at least at many dice as WC, hope you get enough 4+, opponent then does the same and hopes for 6+.

Warp Charge dice 'management' was a mistake though. Psyker heavy armies can now just throw spells around untill you're out of dispell dice and can't reply, unless you're psyker heavy yourself.

Basically the psychic phase is only tactical if both players play the same type of army.

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>>52843071
>being and neck beard fa/TG/uy
>instead of an elegant/TG/gentlemen
No anon I pitty you

>>52841964
I laughed, good jab.

>>52843182
>Complaining about swearing
Fuck off back to your mother's cunt you piece of shit pantywaist

>>52843021

as another anon said, being able to fire inside of CC for 40k would be awful

it would mean tau now get to shoot people while locked in CC

and infantry that lock a tau unit in CC can still get shot at by other tau units.

same thing with scatter lasers, and wraithguard, and Grav-cannons.

fixed wound rolls would also be terrible because thats literally half the deldar's gimmick (the other is dying REALLY quickly) and everyone who uses a monstrous creature would weep bloody tears (poor tyranids)

the reason people are afraid of a straight up AOSification is because 40k is very different game, and there would have to be an uncomfortable amount of changes (to the core fluff as well as thee game) before things could make sense.

>>52843182
>that reaction image
are you sure you can post that anon? it's got the s-word in it, the fun police might be on their way to your house at this very moment.

>>52843202
>Space marines are inhumanly strong and tough
>j/k lasguns wound them on a 3

>>52843149

>psychic races and factions are better in the psychic phase than non-psychic factions.

>this is some how a bad thing

Although I suppose people would like to do things other than get weird.

maybe they should just port the other armies support stuff like markerlights and orders and acts of faith into the same phase and make it a command phase like it is in AOS

>>52843248
It might help for when less-experienced players fluff and forget to utilize their army's command abilities. Sure, you could argue you're just slapping a name on it, but it brings a unification to when they occur.

>>52843239
>Said lasgun shots are ignored 2/3 of the time, and going by the AoS model, would probably leave the marine with a wound remaining.
Yeah.

>>52843248
The problem is that there is now an entire phase that certain armies make no use off. This can make psyker army vs non psyker army frustrating, as one side is just sitten there with twiddling his thumbs whilst the other side is bussy doing magic 'n shit. The I-go-you-go system has enough of that already.

But definately, all 'Start of Movementphase' shit and buff and debuff psychic powers should be done in some type of command phase.

Damaging psychic powers should be part of the shooting phase.

>>52842554
Seriously though, what is it with women and nids
or tau
they're polar opposites

>>52843312
Ever play/see someone play Dwarves in old fantasy? Having zero input on a phase that highly impactful to the game and having a unit magically nuked off the table/burned by a unit of buffed swordsmen is no fun.

>>52843312
see the thing about psyker heavy armies is that generally if they're speccing that heavily into the psychic phase, they're not gonna be as good at something else in exchange. take tsons for example, with Magnus, they can absolutely fucking DOMINATE the psychic phase, even against other psyker armies, but their shooting phase is lacklustre in comparison. inferno bolters, inferno bolt pistols, soulreaper cannons, that's pretty much it if you don't go for warpflame.

>>52843370
But dwarfs get bonuses to dispel and even get to throw some dice around to say, steal power due to their rune choice
Also fantasy magic dice are a lot more limited
It's not really the same as IG vs an army of tzeentch daemons with 100+d6 warp charges on the table, where they only get d6 to deny

Just got home from my dad's birthday to the 8th announcement. Fucking finally.

Nice to see AdMech being combined. Death Guard and Thousand Sons getting to be their own armies in the vein of Dark Angels and the other Marines is also cute.
I'm also incredibly relieved about that "all current armies and models legal" statement, as that confirms Black Templars will still be around.

Anyone else feel like we're getting Dark AdMech soon, though? That mural thing in the trailer had the big Space Marine to represent them, the giant Aquilla to represent the general Imperium and the skull with the Mechandrites to represent the AdMech, while the chaos half had all of that mirrored, including a corrupted skull.

>>52843361
a lot of people's interests reflect their desires. someone who usually lacks power in everyday life would become a dom in BDSM culture. perhaps that says something about women.

>>52842632
If the Jap that made that drawing was actually competent at engineering he'd be building robots or cars or cell phones or whatever it is the Japanese are great at engineering instead of drawing weeb comics.

>>52842814
I would actually like fixed values with modifiers better than the old stats

>>52843216
This is 4chan, a certain degree of swearing is expected, it's 4chan etiquette

>>52843391
I was adding to your point, not disagreeing with it. Being the non-magic-user in a game where failing to dispell a casting attempt gets a 50 block wiped off the table isn't fun, just like it isn't fun to get shot off the table by tzeentch psykers or weird invisibility trickery you can't stop.

>>52843380
>see the thing about psyker heavy armies is that generally if they're speccing that heavily into the psychic phase

>Librarian formations + grav spam
>Eldar in general

I wouldn't say it is that common that psyker heavy armies do little outside the psychic phase. For Tzeentch and Thousand Sons it is true, but outside of that ...

>>52843439
You're living your life wrong

>>52843480
Have you ever tried explaining 40k to total newbies? Its usually explaining the stats and how they work that takes the longest

>>52843472

Your two examples don't rebut that guy's argument. Picking up a full Librarius or taking all the Eldar psyker units IS speccing heavily into psychic powers. The only reason those two builds don't take more things like Tzeentch's psychic troops is because they CAN'T. They're literally already maxing out on their best psykers. That qualifies as a heavily psyker based spec if you ask me.

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>>52843447
then, as politely as I can, I would like you to get fucked, you smug prick, if you genuinely think that swearing in front of my friends at my house while we have a good natured game of 40k is somehow distasteful, then please, from the bottom of my heart, go fuck yourself. You can enjoy your bland, tasteless, g-rated bouts, while I will enjoy mine.

>>52843104
>work out perfectly because a units toughness isn't determined by how easily someone wounds them but by how many wounds and what save something has. You wound a goblin the same as you wound a Sigmarine, sure, but that Sigmarine has a 4+ save and 2 wounds to tank the hits whereas the goblin has one wound and a 6+ save.

Why even bother having separate rolls to wound and hit then? It would save time to just have a fixed value that did both.

And I don't think needing to keep track of multiple wounds for the majority of models on the table is very practical in large games.

If I had my way, I'd do it like the Betrayal at Calth system which is honestly much simpler and more interesting than any version of 40k or WFB I've tried. Or FFG star wars armada, where you've got different dice for different types of weapon. Fuck the whole BS concept, quite frankly.

>>Terrain benefiting small, tough units more than the big hordes of weak chaff that need the defensive bonuses it provides.
>It actually benefits everyone the same...
A +1 modifier turns a 4+ save into a 3+ save. That means that the guys with 4+ saves will take 33% fewer casualties when they get the modifier. The same +1 modifier applied to a 6+ save gives 20% fewer casualties. That isn't the same. It's giving elite units an advantage.

>>52843636
>Not showing the To Wound and To Hit chart in the back of the rulebook

In my experience explaining all the weird little exeptions and interactions certain rules and special rules have takes the longest.

I'll be cool with fixed to-hit.

Fixed to-wound is fucking stupid though. A grot should not have the same chance of wounding a grot that it does a Carnifex.

>>52843447
Oh don't be a cunt. We use swear words as punctuation around here dick see that was a comma you dick so stop being a cunt That's a period by the way cunt

>>52843649
I think anon was arguing that, even if you spec heavily in the ways he described, that army isn't so hyperfocused that they're useless outside of the psyker phase.

>>52843671
BS is just needlessly complicated for no particular reason. They could have replaced the BS vale with 3+, 4+, etc ages ago, and it wouldn't have made a difference.

>>52843688
>My guard are gonna shoot your Tyranid Bio Titan
>They all have lasguns, so they'll wound it on a 4+
>Next turn, my guard are gonna shoot those ripper swarms
>Oh hey look, 4+ to wound again. It's almost like my guardsmen are shooting the same thing, kek

>>52843709
BS is pretty simple though. 7-X. So BS4 hits on a 3+.

So, with GW stating that all models, including Forgeworld, will be supported, what are the chances of FW updating their Imperial Armour books?
I guess they could just release the datasheets online, like they do for a lot of stuff already, but those books are quite interesting and well written...

Why is everyone panicking about an edition we know nothing about? Was there something I missed?

>>52843740
I agree I'd like to see toughness become the minimum of str+d6 that will hurt a unit.

>>52843791
>So, with GW stating that all models, including Forgeworld, will be supported, what are the chances of FW updating their Imperial Armour books?

GW is going to nerf all forge world units into the ground so you have no choice but to buy regular GW units to stay competitive.

>>52843636
I did I started the community in my area, they learned the basics the same day and every newbie since then, if everyone is a retard in your area I'm not to be blamed.

>>52843794
It's just a tradition with every impeding rules or codex update, nothing to be suprised about.

>>52843809
Yeah hopefully GW changed toughness to work just like penetrating vehicles : Strength + D6 equal or more than Toughness means a wound. Simple, no chart needed, still allows for Str and T to matter.

>>52843819
>A grot is now more powerful than a Warlord Titan
If that day ever comes, GW will burn at the hands of angry neckbeards with suddenly useless multithousand dollar models.

>>52843692

Oh okay I see what you guys are talking about.

That's just Tzeentchfags being dumb and going full psyker instead of taking some non-psychic stuff like Centurions or WK/scatbike. You could totally make a Tzeentch psyker list that wasn't 100% psykers.

>>52843819
That didn’t happen in AoS dick the forge world chaos dwarves, werewolves, and warp fire dragon are pretty damned effective cunt

>>52843791
>what are the chances of FW updating their Imperial Armour books?

Nigger, 99% of them are still in 6E or even 5E. It took them 3 months to update Badab War Chapter Tactics for 6E then they completely stooped updating them.

Do I even want to read this thread?

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>>52843654
Alright then Mr autismo

>>52843872
Well shit. B-but they will update all the models stats and data in time, right guys? I really don't feel like playing with a generic HQ.

>>52843880
No, too much salt between millenials and grognards, this thread might give you cancer.

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>>52843888
>Mr autismo
>he says after vehemently arguing that swearing is a no no

>>52843740
Honestly, the current system isn't much better.

>Infinite amount of lasgun shots can never damage a wraithlord.
>Poison works fine, even though it has no parts which can be poisoned.

Really, poison wounding on a fixed value and bullets not is incredibly bad from a 'simulation' point of view. Military caliber bullets will fuck up pretty much any animal up to an elephant, but poison is very dependent on the subject's size and biology.

At least everything being fixed values would get rid of the issue (or at least one version of it) where one player brings a force which is only vulnerable to a certain type of damage and the other one didn't bring enough of their specialist unit (if they even have a suitable one available) to counter it.

>>52842921
>posts FotM anime reaction pic
>pretends to be 35+
Even if you were that would be sad

>>52843927

That's more a problem with Wraithknights being monsterous creatures, tho

>>52842678
There's a big difference between the normal wailing and gnashing that happens at every edition change (including the swearing of oaths not to update) and the giant hole torn in the community by a game getting completely replaced by a new game - which honestly, only seems to be done by companies that already have a dangerously toxic relationship with their customers. I appreciate all the work GW has put into rebuilding good will. I've never really paid attention to the WHFB community, so I don't know if it was as unsalvageable as is often claimed here (you know, the website where if you actually have fun, you get told to go to le reddit), but it's pretty damn obvious that this is an 8th that's learned from AoS, not a 1st edition of Age of Emprah.
(Though, if they subtitled 8th Edition 'Age of Emprah', I'd lol.)

>>52842313
Literally the only guy who knows whats up.

>>52841783
>Everyone flipping out over NuMarines
>IG scaling still correct
>Cultist Scaling still correct
>I hate all 25 of my marine models anyway

Life is good for CSM right now. Very few army changes.

It's fucking impossible to find a Tau batrep that doesn't have a single riptide or stormsurge or crisis spam. Christ almighty.

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>>52841783
Hey guys! Got my new 8th edition "Open Play" list ready! Who want's a game? It's so awesome to field anything I want! Thanks Games Workshop!

>>52842986
consider the following:
new skaven army is coming out for aos, that'll take up two white dwarf issues: so new age of rowboat can only happen after that

>>52841931
If I have to choose between getting shitted or pissed on just call me president

>chaos player speaking

>>52843909
They will probably update the popular stuff or stuff they NEED to update, think 30k shit like Sicarans and Leviathans, but things like their ork units and maybe the IG guys will probably languish.

Maybe FW will make a super IA15 volume to update stuff.

>>52842554
>>52843361
>>52843400
My buddy's gf plays Nids because she thinks they're cute. My gf doesn't play but also thinks Nids are super cute. Side note, they both also think Xenomorphs are, again, cute.

>>52843961

I'm surprised that shit even got an anime. The art is so bad, and it's a worse manga than the other one with the rich schoolgirl and the emotionless guy.

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>all these butthurt animefags autistically screeching at each other
Now this is just rich.

>>52843988

Shutup idiots I don't think you guys understand

THE NEW AOS SKELETON ARMY IS LED BY SKELETON HEROES AND GENERALS INSTEAD OF SOME VAMPIRE FAGGOT AND TOMB KINGS ARE COMING BACK

FUCKIN TOMB KONGS AND REAL SKELETON ARMIES

>>52844018
>Ynaelstartes Aedeptarii

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>>52842216
>mfw

>>52843986
>still less cheesy than a an eldar CAD with equivalent points.

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>>52844008
they are the reason this thing exists.

>>52844018
Huh, thought you got banned.

So what are the numarines everyone is so worked up about? I'm a faggot

>>52843986
I don't think anyone will really use open play. I certainly won't be playing anyone with open play unless it's a game over beers for shits and giggles.

>>52843986
The "Open" stands for opening people a gorillion new cornholes?

>>52843921
Give the community like a week to stabilize, then you can ask your question about how many bikes to run in your DG army list.

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So I got this as a prototype for art for my rhino top hatch. What do you all think?

>>52844029
>TOMB KINGS ARE COMING BACK

citation required

>>52844043
Yours or stock image?

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>>52844038

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>>52844029
SKELETON WARRIORS ARE THE CHAMPIONS

YES

>>52842368
This guy gets it

>>52844057
Looks cool, I'll be impressed if you can paint that to look good on a rhino.

>>52843819
I'm hopeful they'll allow FW into formations. Not because I want some crazy shenanigans, but because I don't like that loyalists can run their contemptors in whatever they feel like well my CSM can only run one in a CAD.

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>>52844057
Here is the other one for my emps kids second rhino

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>literally fell out of playing fantasy
>start idle building a guard force
>this announcement

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>>52843926
>can't stop getting baited
The autismo is real

>>52842478
Because armies were so big people were not starting the game, the player base was mostly made from people who already had an army

>>52844029
>Tomb Kings returning
Source me now, nigger.

>>52844046
Somebody 'leaked' a story about new space marine models being bigger, and a screenshot for the upcoming edition shows a new design of marines, so everyone's over-analyzing the picture to see if the marines are any bigger.
They're blue.

>>52844099
You really should have seen it coming.

>>52844072
>ignored so hard he had to reply to his own shitpost

>>52844099
>implying guard are getting squatted
Autism

>>52844099
Shut the fuck up you knee-jerking faggot

>>52844097
I like the second one better, although it seems a little chunky for cheesecake art and I prefer my daemonettes with only one tit.

>>52844018
The bait Lords rise from their slumber as the end of 7th Ed is upon us

>this entire thread
autism

>>52844099
Pls sell your guard for cheap on ebay before they get squatted

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>>52844099
>being this oblivious

>>52844059
stock image. I'm not much into fucking bugs myself, not to mention the fact these things cost like $250

>>52844123
...It's too much to hope that we'll get like a new design of units, isn't it? Or maybe somebody showing up in plastic that hasn't yet (yes, I know, least likely of all)?
I mean, Cadia got blowed up, they've got a perfect excuse to change how their baseline unit looks.

>>52841783

>Over 300 votes! Hype is real!
http://www.strawpoll.me/12801571/r

>>52844056
>how many bikes to run in your DG army list.

REEEEEEEEEEEE!
the only correct answer is 0

>>52844163
>people actually sticking to 7e
What a bunch of literal retards

>>52844029
I don't even have an image smug enough to answer this, you're a poor delusional bastard

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So guys, hard question.

Wich books are better, at least for starting to read about the Guard, the Ciaphas Cain ones, or the Gaunt's Ghosts??

Why are CSM such cunts?

>>52844057
Too conservative proportions go full retard this is Slaneesh's man you gonfull fap bait or full trany, no middle ground.

>>52844173
Honestly, I think the 7th edition rules set is probably the best they ever did. It's just the terrible balance in the codexes that made it a bad game. HH mostly works fine with 7th edition and honestly, I'd like it if they did a rules-set just for HH which was basically just a slightly streamlined 7th ed.

Still looking forward to 8th though.

>>52844204
Because everybody loves cunts

>>52844202
Personally I prefer Ciaphas Cain, it's a light hearted intro to the guard, and all the footnotes Vail leaves tells you a lot about the setting as you read.

>>52844097
Needs more POMF!

>>52844202
Gaunt for serious business, Cain for more lighthearted fun (As lighthearted as it can get in the 41st millenium)

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>>52844144
>implying im not making Austrian Guard for the hell of it

>>52844057
>Slaneesh
Kill yourself.

>>52843104
>If you're playing with scumbags willing to abuse this feature

There's not even a way you can abuse it, the only reason people have for not liking it is simply being stuck in their old base focused ways.

>>52844202
Gaunt's Ghosts are overall better written, but can give you a very weird view of the guard because Abnett clearly doesn't bother researching shit. Also, the books go downhill in quality after Only in Death.

Ciaphas Cain books are OK, but get a bit stale with the same jokes and plot elements being constantly recycled. Much more true to the background than Abnett though.

>>52844173
Kek, it's kinda laughable.

>>52844218
Ya know I think that's exactly what they intend to do.

>>52844218
Does that mean you assume the new rules will be relatively close to 7, or just on a 'too early to guess but I'm willing to trust them' level?

>>52844228
>>52844234
More or less as I've already heard, thanks!

>8th edition won't have standardized model volume determined by base size so that players are free to model their miniatures any way they want without giving themselves a gameplay advantage/disadvantage
W H Y ?
H
Y
?

>>52843149
>Warp Charge dice 'management' was a mistake though. Psyker heavy armies can now just throw spells around untill you're out of dispell dice and can't reply, unless you're psyker heavy yourself.
Hardly a mistake, psyker armies are more limited in 7e than any previous eddition. I used to be abke to reliably cast every power each of my psykers knew every turn. Current system means I'll only manage half if not less of them in a turn.

>>52844302
>Riptide with only the head and gun poking out of a 25mm base
>Lol he's in a hole firing out.

>>52844292
I'm actually pretty sure they will be significantly different to seventh. If you're changing enough that you have to re-write all the books anyway, the temptation to change everything is likely to be too great.

But, since I think the core rules have been steadily improving with every edition of 40k and GW have released a lot of good game systems with their board games recently, I'm optimistic that it will prove to be actually pretty good.

Are there any tules for making SW:A teams like battlescribe?

>>52843671
>Why even bother having separate rolls to wound and hit then? It would save time to just have a fixed value that did both
Increased granularity
, 2 rolls means you can ahve 30 steps of varing power instead of 5.

>>52844377
I just started collecting about a month ago - I heard the rumors, but I'm mostly doing it because I want to have a small painted army of sci-fi dudes; the game part is secondary.
But since I'm new, is there like a general consensus on what was good and/or bad about the various editions? Or is that a terrible question to ask around here, especially at, er, 'sensitive' times like this?

>>52844218
That brings up the question, will HH transition to 8th style rules?

>>52844424

Kek, every day is sensitive to some dumb nutter.

>>52842814
>>fixed values

Actually grown to like that. Broke out my old Mordheim rules and things for some friends that play it on Steam, and Jesus it's a nightmare explaining "so to find out what you need to hit take 7, subtract your roll, then add one for cover and now bla" no. The WS/BS chart makes sense if you've been doing it a while, and it's become sorta second nature, but mein gott do I enjoy giving someone a warscroll, and saying. "There's your Ork. What's it say he hits on? 3? Great. Roll 3's."

>>52844218
>Honestly, I think the 7th edition rules set is probably the best they ever did.

7th Edition Army Building

Nothing more needs to be said.

>>52844444
Nope

>>52844444
Nice quints.

They said in the FAQ that HH will keep using their current rules.

>>52844444
Not initially, probably eventually.

From the FAQ
>A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games.

>>52844444
>>52844461
>>52844469
Not immediately but the wording left it open for the future.

>>52842891
>>2017
>>not riding your hobby horse in honor of the great Marius Leitdorf
>>not wearing a magnificent feathered hat as well

Why even play?

>>52844491
Depends on what the fanbase says as they are the ones buying forge world prices.

>>52844469
They said that in 6E too. They say a lot of shit. You might have a soft spot for FW, but at the end of the day, they are a part of GW, and right now, FW is even closer to the old guard and shitty Kirby GW than the modern GW is.

>>52843927
Lasguns being able to kill a land raider isn't much better.

>>52844519
I don't exactly give a damn since I don't own FW models, never played with or against FW rules and just answered that man's question with what was stated, but okay.

>>52841783
omg anons.. you used the image i made <3

>>52844558
Then stop giving wrong answers.

>>52844575
See >>52844489

Their answer literally was "use the existing rules".

>>52844302
True Line of Sight just needs to die, it makes making cool poses become modelling for advantage/disadvantage too quickly.

So I have at least a small force of a bunch of different armies. What order should I learn the rules for 8e in, for the armies below?:
Space Marines
Imperial Knights
Imperial Agents
Adeptus Mechanicus
Sisters of Silence
Adeptus Custodes
Adepta Sororitas
Deathwatch
Grey Knights
Necrons
Death Guard

>>52844605
>Imperial Knights
Kek

>>52844605
wtf! What?!

I haven't been part of the hobby since Harlequins came out for Eldar. I was a poorfag and just couldn't afford to continue. I was also a child with no source of income.

Fast forward to earlier this year I download Warhammer 40k Dawn of War bundle (DOW1+3 expansions) off of Steam. I played them to the point where my legs have visibly lost muscle mass. I'm ready to revive my sperg.

In the games I like playing Eldar, but only because it works in DOW (no limit to what you can bring into battle) but for the table top I don't think I can work it.
I think the Sisters of Battle interest me the most, is there any required reading or some basic copypasta for me about them? I just wanna paint some chaste, pious women and cleanse heretics.

Oh and anything major worth mentioning from the past 20 years would help.

>>52844605
From most favorite to least favorite army.

Duh.

>>52844625
I have a lot of free time.
>>52844615
I didn't think 3 models would count as a full army, but here we fucking are.

>>52844489
>You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games.
I'm sure they didn't even consider this, but the implicit statement here is that when they do decide to update the rules people then CANNOT continue using the previous rules, like they'll send the fucking Fun Police after anyone who dares to not update to the new edition.

The actual intent of the phrasing is probably because "you CAN do something!" makes it sound like they're doing everyone a favor somehow.

>>52844597
"For now" implies that they will change eventually

>>52844633
Sisters of Battle are the hardest models to actually get a hold off out of all of them. And the most expensive.

>>52844654
With forgeworld that could be 5 years from now.

>>52844647

The rules aren't our and we are all speculating. Assumption is the mother of all fuckups, just keep your panties on and be patient.

>>52844668

See you in another 20 years my friend!

>>52844633
>Sisters of Battle
Lame.

>>52844633
>SoB
The most expensive models, friend. Unless they reveal plastic Sisters, I'd advise you look elsewhere. Consider Dark Eldar, come to Commoragh

>>52842347
>grognards are BTFO.
you have your AoS go back to it and circlejerk about folks who like the formation to formation fighting (and should have been playing historical those fucking cunts)

>>52842825
that really doesn't make it better

So, since everyone is talking about Sisters of Battle, and how expensive they are, any new rumors about plastics? I know, I know, it's been TWENTY FUCKING YEARS and no plastics, but we did just get Genestealer Cults. Could 8th ed finally bring a Sisters of Battle force your average person could afford?

>>52844728

I'm not sure what would make you think I'd want to play as a bunch of Cenobites of Jetbikes. I value truth, purity and virginity over those extra-dimensional guttersnipe.

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>>52844564
You have been reckoned by the void, beware for we know who you're

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How's this for a fluffy Iron Warriors list? The plan is to have the missile havocs hide on the roof of the bastions with the regular guys inside manning the bolters. The Termies are suicide deepstrikers who can slow the enemy. Otherwise the plan is just lay down a face melting amount of firepower.

>>52844652
It's mostly because HH is balanced and making an mayor make over there right now would cost more than it's worth

>>52844831
Almost forgot! The Autocannon havocs and bikers can move to kill any enemy that's been hurt enough to not be worth firing on with the heavier guns. End game they can take objectives.

>>52844811
Because they're actually "affordable" and fun to play.
>"I value truth..."
Please remove yourself from the gene pool, you sound like a massive fucking faggot

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>>52844831
why bikes
why no oblits?

>>52844633
For SoB fluff this is a good starting point.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adepta_Sororitas

Miniature wise theyre currently all exoensive metal minis, though there have been some good looking SoB people have converted from 3rd party bits and dark eldar+marine bits

>>52844749
That's the grognardfag fag ignore him he's baiting (you)s and probably doesn't play anything AoS,
whfb, 40k or HH, he's here to shitpost

>>52844846
>HH is balanced
>even after Inferno
Do people really believe this? I mean compared to 40k sure but that's hardly glowing praise.

>>52844853

Psst, dude, I'm roleplaying. Stop being gay.

>>52844862
They and the one Rhino are basically the only mobile units that can go take objectives or harass stragglers. I can't run obliterators in a warband and they don't fire those tasty pie plates. I'm sure papa Pert would approve.

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>>52844878
what am i looking at here

>>52844921
I know what you're doing, go back to tumblr or reddit if you're gonna do that shit.

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>>52844924
looks fine to me.
personally I'd prefer more artillery but that's because i can have legion medusas
they are indeed the shit

>>52843927
>Military caliber bullets
That statement alone means you know fuck all

Hunters use larger bullets than the military does for infantry.

Has anyone here ran a GSC army? Not sure how they perform on the board. The infiltrate mechanic looks a little weird but fun in friendly games.

I was also just thinking of buying a used IG army off of Ebay or Kijiji and getting those GSC neophyte conversion kits to make buying the army a whole lot cheaper.

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The amount of attempted smugness in these threads over the past 12 hours has been absolutely staggering.

>grognards btfo
>whats the matter gramps
>huh, geuss all the SHIT people are leaving, finally!
>the community will be so much better without (you)

>implying the only people who enjoyed 7th ed were powergaming faggots

They are but one extreme end of the spectrum. The bulk of these threads have been the _other_ end.

When all's said and done, it's just a fucking hobby, jesus.

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>>52844990
>The bulk of these threads have been the _other_ end.
i've not seen that, then again bitching about a new edition is a /tg/ hobby. Chonfags and well adjusted folk alike.
>When all's said and done, it's just a fucking hobby, jesus.
yep.

>>52844957

Can I use you as a referral when I sign up? You sound like an authority on safespaces.

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Holy fucking shit, I just can't get over how awesome that trailer was. I want a collective list of all the dialogue because it's rad as fuck hearing how everything seems to finally come full circle all at the same time and we get some shit happening lore wise. FUCK IM HYPE