>setting based on Medieval Europe >There aren't

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WE WUZ plz go and stay go

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>>52818973
Fuck off

>>52819088
>people actually wear t-shirts like that in public
literal cringe
Even cringier is how you fell for such an obvious bait thread.

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>falseflagging so you can refer to this thread in the future when you need to try and prove a point
Ugh

>>52818973
bait

>>52818973
>setting based on Medieval Europe
>GM mentions that there is also a black person in every encounter
ugh

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>>52819088
I just might preorder his game.

>>52819256
What IS his game?

>>52819256
Preorder never.
I'll buy it on release tho

>>52818973
>based on
Regardless of what was the case in reality, I don't see how a fantasy setting is beholden to that. If we can add dragons and magic, why can't we move some ethnicities around?

>>52819279
Kingdom Come : Deliverance

>>52819341

Exactly! This idea that Medieval Europe was some homogeneous sea of white is dumb and needs to end, starting with our tales and fantasy.

>>52819279
kingdom come; deliverance

>>52819088
4chan is creaming their panties over this guys but he's actually not that smart. While the core of his argument is solid, there were not any significant amount of black people in central Europe and if there was any they'd be subject of curiosity and/or discrimination, sticking out for it, not just hanging around like a regular townsfolk, he makes a very stupid mistake. He engages these people.

You never engage this people. You just don't. It's an error to assume most people who aren't racists are demanding non-white people to be inserted everywhere. That's a very loud and obnoxious minority. Just like most gay people aren't demanding non-straight protagonist everwhere, just a loud and obnoxious minority of them.

And engaging with a loud obnoxious minority is a mistake from every conceivable point of view. Best case scenario you make them fall in contradiction publicly and discredit 1 of them after hours of work. Worse case scenario, you say things in engaging them that could be taken out of context and be used to damage your company's image, and they don't necessarily reveal your views on the subject.

Also, that wearing that shirt is like acting retarded. I never met a non-racist person who owns a shirt 'ironically' calling themselves racist.

>>52819346
>>52819383
Everytime i see a video with the developer talking about that game I have to put it on mute because the guy is so fucking socially awkward talking I can't bear his constant stuttering.

>>52819454
>That's a very loud and obnoxious minority.

Hasn't dismissing them as a minority led to the current situation on college campuses around the world?

"Dude, just ignore them" is exactly the reason we have professors deducting points from essays that say "dude" or "man" or "he."

>>52819468
To be fair. English is not his language.

But we had black people, they were some kind of slimes hobbling upright.

>>52819341
The existence of magic to create food, shelter and teleport would mean people would travel way more, way further rand with way more frequency e efficiency. So...Yeah, fantasy scenarios with magic should have more ethnically diverse cities than non magic ones.

>>52819476
>Hasn't dismissing them as a minority led to the current situation on college campuses around the world?
This

>>52819355
That's what orcs are for.

Did you not catch that?

>>52819341
Why should we?

>>52819476
I don't like the argument that they aren't a minority because I study in a liberal section of a liberal university in a liberal country (Arts, in western Europe) and I often hang with people from humanities and attend lectures there because I like history and social antropology, and if I ever say a single person who is that hardcore about diversity everyone, that's too many. This might sound like anedoctal evidence and it is but still. If they are a majority they should at least show up in the real world where their type is suppose to be concentrated. yet I only here about them online.

>>52819476
>getting marked down points on an essay for using imprecise language
>doesn't pay attention to the audience of his essay to write something that they will jive with
>fails at writing essays
>passes class anyway because it was English 101 and the professor was making a point
>still misses the point
>blames the LIEBURAL CULTURAL MARXISTS
>wonders why everyone hates them

>>52818973
Isnt that why we have orcs?

>>52819119
>people actually wear t-shirts like that in public
That looks like it's in an office, specifically worn for that photo. He might wear it in public too, but that looks like a publicity photo my dude.

>>52819576
>getting a publicity image of you wearing a cringy meme t-shirt
even cringer my man

>>52819476
>deducting points from essays that say "dude" or "man" or "he."
If you're writing a formal essay and using "dude" in it, you should already be docked points for informal language.

>>52819597

They're also docking points for using "Mankind" or "Manpower" or using masculine gender pronouns on a figure like William the Conqueror.

>>52819652
>or using masculine gender pronouns on a figure like William the Conqueror.
jej, sure thing bro

>>52819652
Prove it. I hear that one a lot and never saw verifiable evidence.

>game set in america
>white people still exist

immersion ruined.

>>52819682

A British university was doing it about a week ago, I'd give you the source if I wasn't on this phone (and if the thread is alive by the time I get home, I'll find it for you.)

>>52819062
>.gif

Is that what hell is like?

>>52819576
Publicity isn't exactly private so, it seems like it counts as in public. As it would inside an office.

But that's okay because he's just being ironically racist, right?

>>52819736
Haha I hate niggers!

Just joking guys, ugh. Liberals have no chill haha! That's why the world is shit, its all the liberals-who-cant-take-a-joke fault!

>>52819736
It's "okay" because he's ironically wearing a shirt that has the word "racist" in it, and this picture is intended for an audience of average people who generally have an IQ above 12.

>>52819798
So, not you?

>>52819798
Oh, wait, you're not even talking about the shit are you.
Abort what I said. It's not okay, he happens to use the picture of an individual who happens to be black in a sarcastic tongue-in-cheek manner.

>>52819554
You don't get his point, do you? It's not about grammar o use of proper English, it's that deconstructionalism is cancer. A "good" deconstructionalist can look at your grocery list and somehow divine from it that you want to fuck your mother.

All that shirt is doing is taking the petty labels he's being hit with and owning them. It's a form of mockery towards the people who use those insults.

>>52819947
Desconstructionalism isnt any more cancer than dumbly clinging to status quo just because it is what you know. It's necessary to review and deconstruct concepts, but that doesn't mean every concept need to be torched. Just that its good and necessary to question and pick apart things we take for granted, and then make a judgmentment about them.

>>52819476
No, engaging them has led to the situation we currently have on the internet. Ignoring them worked extremely well for the better part of a decade, even /b/ realized that in, what, 2006?

>>52818973
That's historically accurate, blacks were not considered people until 16th century.

>>52819999
>It's necessary to review and deconstruct concepts
Waste of quints. While it is true reviewing and deconstructing things is inherrently a useful thing, deconstructionalism is post-modernism taken to its logical extreme and therefore cancerous. It's where the "words mean different things from what they actually mean" bullshit comes from, which inspired the bullshit we call micro-agressions, ie. the ideology that states "I don't see color, I see people" is a racist phrase.

>>52819119
>>people actually wear t-shirts like that in public
The man is from Czech Republic, people won't bat an eye at this around here. Partially because most things considered "problematic" by 1st world are integral part of culture, but mostly because majority of the population doesn't understand enough English to see more than "T-shirt with random foreign words" there.

>>52820081
It isn't cringy because it's 'problematic'.

>>52819341
Because Dragons and Magic contribute to the setting while Dindus never contribute to anything except for their own body counts.

>>52819791
Who said we were joking?

>>52819682
>>52819713
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/02/use-gender-sensitive-language-lose-marks-hull-university-students-told

Don't worry anons, I gotcha.

>>52820210
>you lost me.jpg

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>>52820220
kek

>>52819717
No, in he'll they just straight up torture you, but just as you're about to go mad or turn the pain into a sexual fetish, they wipe your memories of the pain, but not the actions, and start all over again.

So, endless torture but no madness to escape from it, and no way to turn masochistic about it.

>implying black play board games or rpg

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>>52820507
>rpg

>>52820060
"quints" means five in a row, anon.

>>52820034
this!

>>52820559
Nice false flag there.

>>52820559
quit being silly

>>52818973
Believe it or not there was a number of black people who settled in the kingdom of Jerusalem and they did fight to protect it alongside their christian brothers. Not to say they played a big role or anything. As far as I know it was the only place that a Medieval European would have a meaningful chance of seeing a black person.

>>52818973
Yeah, whoever heard of settings without any crime rate and slaves

ITT /pol/tards pretend to fall for obvious bait so that they get to shitpost their opinions.

This thread deserves only death.

>>52819520
I wasn't meaning to imply we should, simply that if it fits a GM's vision of their world and they handle it decently, I don't see why it would be a problem.

>>52820559
Hi /pol/! Didn't know you played these games!

>>52819468
Maybe he actually has a stutter?

>>52820702
>ITT /pol/tards pretend to fall for obvious bait so that they get to shitpost their opinions.
Are you new here? That's been a thing on /tg/ for at least a year.

>>52820772
I think anon's point was that he doesn't like to listen to the stuttering.

>>52818973
>who were the black irish

>>52820702
nu/pol/ is fucking retarded and bites any bait dangled in front of them.

tfw /mlpol/ didn't last ;_;

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>>52820686
>Jerusalem
>Europe

I will say, however, that a lot of objections about homogeneity would be solved by taking inspiration from pretty much anywhere except northwest europe.
I want a fantasy setting based on the medieval oasis city-states of the Tarim Basin, complete with lost desert cities and incongruously ginger mummies. Or the Pacific Northwest in the late 18th century when the american colonists were coming into contact with the indigenous people with cannibal spirits and sea monsters.

>>52820748
Yes, /pol/ does have fun every now and then. With beautiful fair skinned, Eurocentric maidens of ample bosoms and full lips, and goblins and dragons and strong muscular straight cis white male power fantasy comrades, and wizened old sorcerers pale and shriveled from years or Arcane pursuit.

/pol/ does play these games yes he does. Finds it in his cold angry heart to have fun and brighten up he can. Makes /pol/ less angry and more well adjusted it does. It's just that in recent times SOME FUCKING VOCAL ASS COCKSUCKING FAGGOTS DECIDED /POL/ WAS HAVING BADWRONGFUN AND DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE EVERYONE TRY AND SHUT DOWN BADWRONGFUN REEEEE REEEEEEEEE ROASTIES GO HOME WHITEKNIGHT GO FUCK YOUR HUSBAND'S BOYFRIEND LEAVE MEEEE ALOOOOOOOOOOOOONE

Face it there's more than one reason why we love Shrek so much.

>>52819062
I thought I wasn't autistic.
Then I saw this gif and I'm not so sure anymore.

>>52820060
Hold up, I like the term micro-aggressions. It's a useful term that describes a category of terms that weren't previously covered by existing language. Sure, some of them are straight bullshit, like the "I don't see color" shit, but some of them are pretty accurate, like "Oh, so what are you?" being asked as one of the first questions to a mixed-race person.

>>52820998
no

>>52821047
Incorrect.

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>>52821047
Why?

>>52821047
He's right, you know.

>>52820998
>"Oh, so what are you?" being asked as one of the first questions to a mixed-race person.
I am of mixed blood but I look decisively like a Lebanese/Syrian. That questions is usually asked when people discover that I have a very germanic name
If you're offended because of things like this I suggest the rope as definitive treatment

>>52821072
>>52821094
no

>>52821074
yes

>>52820998
I understand there's a category of things that could do with defining, but using the word 'aggression' to define them is a bad idea when they mostly seem to be the product of ignorance or thoughtlessness.
It just perpetuates this idea that anything one finds upsetting is the result of someone else being evil rather than a misunderstanding.

>>52820998
We already have a word for that. Its called being rude. The only reason its called microaggression is to tar people who don't think before they make small talk as racist so someone can be racist, someone can be the victim, and someone else can virtue signal about being sensitive.

Fuck off with your shit.

>>52820803
>Are you new here? That's been a thing on /tg/ for at least a year.
Yeah, so it might be about time to start pointing it out.

>>52821119
>>52821180

I'm not offended, because it's a micro-aggression. It literally doesn't matter because the person saying it didn't mean any offense by saying it.

But I appreciate the term nonetheless, because it implies that one's racial makeup is somehow relevant to the job. It's a phrase that should be offensive but somehow isn't, because it's so deeply rooted in the zeitgeist that no one ever actually analyzes it beyond just being a phrase to say.

>>52821149
Fair point.

>>52820803
>That's been a thing on /tg/ for at least a year.
On most of the 4chan, really.

>>52819454
Wrong.
You never apologize to them.
If they attack you, you triple the retaliation.
>get called a racist by a shitty journo?
Guess who's getting sued for libel (^:

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take your fucking shill posting to /pol/ or /b/. Tired of seeing this shit literately every board I go to.

>>52821454
You wouldn't have kept coming here for 4+ years if you didn't love it you slut.

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I mean, sure, most settings are based on Medieval Europe, but it's also fantasy, so you have leeway to include or exclude whatever the fuck you want in it.

Personally, in my settings, races have various different shades of skin color depending mostly on location and lineage, but as long as it's the same species, nobody really gives a fuck. If you're a black human, other humans assume you're from the southern continent, but they really won't give a shit other than some people thinking it's either attractive or ugly as fuck. Skin color is a bit trickier for elves though, since ones of darker shades often get mistaken for drow.

>>52818973
>setting based on Medieval Europe
>There aren't any black people

There's also potato being grown as a main crop in my setting, bikini armor and ornate armor are just as effective as your normal practical armor, and people use modern values and frown on loveless marriage even if it's to secure an alliance with another kingdom.

Whatchu gonna do about it, motherfucker? Whine on a Taiwanese picture album board?

>>52820998
Please die.

>>52818973
>Iberia doesn't exist
>the Ottoman Empire doesn't exist

>>52822019
>>52821074

>>52821119
Out of curiosity, how does one visually distinguish a Syrian from, say, a Jew or an Iranian?

>>52818973
>setting based on the sengoku jidai
>no white people
>setting based on pre-age-of-discovery Africa
>no whites

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>>52822272
Iranians share some feature with the "indian" peoples that Syrians lack, some of them have Aryan blood too.
Syrians/Lebanese are usually a mixed bunch, but you can get a pretty good idea by looking at sculptures.
Pic related a Syrian local on a (piece of) sarcophagus from Palmyra, with which I share almost all facial features
Jews are really different since they interbred with germanic and other peoples

>>52819736
>But that's okay because he's just being ironically racist, right?


Um, yes. Joking about a thing is not the same as actually promoting that thing.

You seem awfully triggered.

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>>52818973
>>52819341
You can have ethnicities around. What you _can't_ have is multiculturalism or ubiquitous cosmopolitanism.

You can totally have a nation of from the Southern Planes with a darker complection, or exotic traders from the East with slanted eyes. You can have members of each of these race as visiting individuals that are not uncommon to see in the larger cities of the setting.
What you can't do is have foreign immigrants on every street-corner of every town or hamlet you see, because the only people to ever travel to those parts of the world are traders and adventurers (I.E. the party) who never stay long unless its somehow relevant to the plot.

You can also have two different ethnicities in the same land, provided there's a good reason why they're distinct. Maybe they hate eachother for some reason everyone's forgotten (as people are wont to do), and that can tie into the setting's metaplot.
What you can't do is have random people of different ethnicities sporadically placed among the setting's people and treat it as if it's no big deal. You can't do that because, if there's literally no social stigma with being black in fantasy Europe, it's unrealistic for there not to have been intermarriage over the years and for all the ethnicities to blend together into one homogenous ethnic soup.

If you want different ethnicities in your setting, it has to be consistent with the setting, otherwise it feels contrived and ruins the immersion.

>>52822564
>You can have ethnicities around. What you _can't_ have is multiculturalism or ubiquitous cosmopolitanism.
why not? it's a fantasy setting

>>52822326

>Setting based on Medieval Europe
>People get really fucking angry if you don't include black people

>>52822604
Did you try reading the rest of his post?

>>52822604
No, it's a fantasy setting based on medieval Medieval Europe. You're not gonna have enlightened sociopolitical concepts like tolerance and humanism. Even if you're not going for an ultra-gritty feel with unwashed peasants and everything being muddy, you're still gonna have a traditional feudal society that lacks the technological or societal trappings needed for multiculturalism or ubiquitous cosmopolitanism.

>>52822624
Include them as barbarians

>>52822701
yeah, didn't help
its only opinions on why he thinks its bad
>>52822746
>No, it's a fantasy setting based on medieval Medieval Europe.
and?
>you're still gonna have a traditional feudal society that lacks the technological or societal trappings needed for multiculturalism or ubiquitous cosmopolitanism.
except its a fantasy setting so you don't have to have any of that

>>52822564
>it's unrealistic for there not to have been intermarriage over the years and for all the ethnicities to blend together into one homogenous ethnic soup.

That explains why everyone in the USA is the same delightful shade of mocha. We've had black people, native people, White people, and miscellaneous people all living together for hundreds of years!

>>52822546
Interesting. Thanks for the reference.

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Do some people really think there weren't any blacks in Europe before the 20th century?

>>52822894
Everytime

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>>52822845
Then it's no longer a setting based on medieval europe, crongalation for missing the point entirely

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>>52822845
>except its a fantasy setting so you don't have to have any of that
So what you're saying is you want a realistic down-to-earth medieval society that is completely off-the-wall and uses modern humanistic values that have no place in a medieval society?

>>52822997
>Then it's no longer a setting based on medieval europe
sure it is, just make it look geographically like europe or something
>>52823003
sure, why not? it's fantasy

>>52823020
>sure it is, just make it look geographically like europe or something
So would you say that if my continent that looks vaguely like Europe would be filled with samurai, daimyo and shogunates, it would still be based on medieval Europe?

>>52822870
Well, if you would quote his sentences properly, please. He did say 'if there's literally no social stigma'… you don't want to tell me there is no social stigma associated with your skin colour in the US, do you?

>>52822845
>except its a fantasy setting so you don't have to have any of that
Then you'd need other things, which could probably be done by magic or some other fantasy hand-waiving, but would remove any medieval theme of the setting. You'd need a complete reformation of religion and/or intervention from the gods, a way to make infantry armies more effective than heavy cavalry, high rates of education, expansive global trade, the beginnings of mass production, and many other things that shaped the modern world into what it is today. You'd also need all of this to happen recently enough that society hadn't been multicultural for more than 7 generations, so that its still ethnicly homogenous and not a big mixture of the races.
If you'd like, I could go over why you'd need all of these things. Or you can take my word for it.

>>52822870
>all living together for hundreds of years
It was literally illegal to marry people of a different race less than 50 years ago in america. And they hated eachother for another generation after that.
But if things like National Geographic are to be believed, this is a very temporary thing and Americans will all be mocha in another 30-70 years.

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>>52823020
Every half-decent fantasy setting has to have some kind of internal consistency mate. I don't know how you'd pull all these 'lol k its fantasy' ideas off, but I'd be happy to see it if you did.

>>52822096
>turks and arabs are black

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>>52822870
I wonder how someone can bring up the name "America" and somehow be DENSE enough to forget the existence of the entire continent that exists beyond the mexican border.
How in the hell, can an adult human individual somehow forget to have the decency to check out what actually happens IRL when you mix people for hundreds of year WITHOUT the incredibly harsh apartheid going on.

>>52822272
You don't

We're mostly brown folks with dark hair & eyes

Mostly, note

>>52823061
Alright, how about
>What you can't do is have foreign immigrants on every street-corner of every town or hamlet you see, because the only people to ever travel to those parts of the world are traders and adventurers (I.E. the party) who never stay long unless its somehow relevant to the plot.

As we all know, every black person in the USA is a traveling merchant from another country. After all, they're the only people who would travel to the USA.

Alas, young anons, it seems that you all are arguing once more. But fret not, for I have the definitive answer to this argument to which none of you can argue against for once you gaze upon it, you will achieve apotheosis:

You're all retarded, this subject is retarded, artistic liberty is a thing, central and northern europe probably had about 0.000001 black, brown or asian people to a billion or so before colonialism and the mongol horde, Mediterwhatever countries (Spain, greece, italy etc.) probably had a few africans or arabians to a few thousand Europeans due to sharing borders, slave trade and wars, therefore not justifying having them by the bulk or even a bunch unless a specific character is supposed to be some lone wanderer, ambassador, prisoner or a Mary Sue.

Alternatively you all can realize that complaining about this shit is retarded both ways, those who started it and those who took the bait (myself included) and go back to your generals and complain about a particular ruling or the publisher.

>>52819468
that's how you know it'll be a good game

made by a fucking nerd for fucking nerds

>>52823161
>I wonder how someone can bring up the name "America" and somehow be DENSE enough to forget the existence of the entire continent that exists beyond the mexican border.
Not quite as dense as someone who sees "USA" and posts a rant about people using "America" incorrectly.

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>>52823199
>muh "stop argumenting, 'cause I say so! it's obvious that my answer is the only right one, and thus no further discussion is warranted"
Kindly fuck off. It's one thing dealing with retards, but I prefer dealing with retards that earnestly want to discuss things rather than with holier-than-thou faglords who want to shut the discussion down entirely allowing for no exchange of opinion and establishment of consensus to occur.

>>52823036
sure if you say it is

>>52823225
I still have a real life example that disproves every single thing you've said, and you know it, anon.
Because trying to apply world-building logic to a single country make you sound like an unsufferable moron.

>>52820507
>you've activated my trap card
Black nerds exist. In college I once ran a game for 2 autistic asian girls, a black guy with a stutter who wanted to be a stand up comedian, and a mexican dude who always showed up late or not at all. Game fell apart because nobody had their shit together. But for a while we even remarked how the university would probably love to put us on a poster.

>>52823067
you dont need any of those things, because its a fantasy setting
sorry

>>52823199
>>52823238
fence-sitters should be gassed. Yes, we get it. You're neutral, an therefore obviously the right one. Now fuck off unless you have something to contribute.

>>52823192
Well, that is a completely different point, where the comparison with the USA doesn't fall flat... because you just plain can't make any. Medieval USA? Not really a thing.

>>52823238
You assume that most people here discuss or would ever be able to, or even try to, reach a concencus when there's about _2 people waiting just to stir shit?

>>52823258
I'm just making fun of you because you seem to have misread "USA" as "America", which invalidates your entire post.

Nobody wants black people in their setting

nobody wants white people

nobody wants chinese people

in a summary, nobody wants to give a shit about race while trying to have fun in a game except the people that do not want to have fun but want to make a fucking point, which is obnoxious

Obviosuly the main reason I support never bringing black-white race to the table is because it annoys the fuck up of social justice shitters. So far nobody has ever cared but if one day someone comes to me with that complaint I'll know I've spotted the "no fun allowed" cunt

>>52823283
Despite the numerous experiences and evidence to the contrary, I still ALWAYS assume that the people I'm talking with want to earnestly and sincerely discuss things until proven otherwise.
So far, the thread still hasn't proven me that it's entirely filled with retards.
Until then, fuck off. Actually, fuck off forever anyway - just because you disapprove of the contents of discussion doesn't mean that the discussion isn't productive.

>>52823261
you do need those things if you want even a shred of realism or internal consistency.

If you don't want these things, what are you doing talking to other people about their settings? If the setting needs no internal consistency or realism, then suggestions from other people will always be inferior to whatever your mind can think up.

>>52823286
Not him but it doesn't invalidate him at all dude. You have been grasping at straws for the past 5 minutes. Just stop it's getting pathetic.

If I talk about France, its obvious your brain would bring forwards the memories that France is in Europe. Even if you don't type it out. If the discussion about Europe suddenly gets shifted to USA, your brain will obviously make the connection the United States of America, is in fact, in America. And thus if you had any knowledge about how your brains has access to your memories, you would realize it's rational to believe that the discussion would shift towards America once the topic at hand talks about a country in America, in fact the original poster of the USA comment should have known that himself, but he was probably too ignorant to realize that black and white aren't the only ethnicities in the world, and that Amerindians exist.

>fine with djinni, rakshasa, and ogre mages being included in the standard Greco-Medieval monsters.
>people from the same cultures are an autism trigger
Spergs.

>>52823330
Problem is race discussion are never productive because both sides keep flinging the same dried up shit back and forth which on it's passing tarnish my fence and eventually pile up on it.

>>52823392
I'm fine with dogs, cats, and monkeys(here in Brazil)
I'm not fine with muslim jihadis.

You can be fine with some living beings, and not fine with others, anon.

>>52823302
>Nobody wants black people in their setting
>nobody wants white people
>nobody wants chinese people

HaHA! IS a good day for Rajeet! Finally, people wish to play Kshatrya and Rakshasa!

>>52823397
>sweeping generalization
What else is new?

>>52823370
>you do need those things if you want even a shred of realism
why would you need realism in a fantasy setting?
>or internal consistency
why would it lack internal consistency, just because you say so? once again you're basing everything off realism just because you want to.
>
If you don't want these things, what are you doing talking to other people about their settings? If the setting needs no internal consistency or realism, then suggestions from other people will always be inferior to whatever your mind can think up.
that's a completely nonsensical statement, how does that follow at all?

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>>52823302
This. We want Japanese people.

>>52823431
>Designated Shitting Streets and Dragons

>>52823447
Not him but fantasy doesn't mean you do whatever the fuck you want.

>>52823481
It really does.

>>52823481
that's exactly what fantasy means
go ahead and tell me the 'rules' for fantasy if you can, i could use a good laugh

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>>52823431
>people wish to play Rakshasa
But people already do.

In all honesty, people would probably enjoy the hell out of a Hindu-inspired setting if they could just get over that one stale meme.

>>52819256
We live in a post NMS world. No preorders.

>>52823161
Do the words "Encomienda System" mean anything to you?

>>52823503
Nope, go make an anime if you want that.

>>52823504
Google it.

>>52823527
>Nope, go make an anime if you want that.
there is also anime under the fantasy genre, so what kind of argument is that?
>Google it.
why should i? too lazy to support your own claim?

>>52823525
I'm a spic, and that literally means nothing to me.

¿Qué es eso y por qué debería importarme?

>>52819476
Alright, here is my (You) to you.

1) I disagree. Ignoring them is actually one of the worst things you can do to a SJW. You can't be (")persecuted(") by individuals that are not hostile to you. Making them feel invisible will cause them to go crazy, which the ugliness of their desperation will cause their ideology to lose popularity and fall into obscurity.

2) >dude
See >>52819554, though it's not my style of posting, I have nothing else to add.

3) To keep things /tg/ related, I remember feeling a little perplexed when I saw Non-Indians on Kaladesh and black people on Innistrad, but I entered the game around 2014, so I didn't know that there were non-Whites in Innistrad like Grizzled Outcasts (Snapcaster Mage was designed by an Asian MtG player, so I don't count it against Innistrad's demographics). Still, I didn't care enough to explode in pseudo-autistic reeeing.

I'll start complaining about a practice of ethnic diversity in fiction and tabletop once it gets really forced to the point where it's outright pandering and not merely just casually showing off to white liberal normies.

>>52823543
>there is also anime under the fantasy genre
And? There is also anime under the historical genre, doesn't make it accurate at all.

What a lazy post. Clearly doesn't even try to use its own brain cells.

>>52823562
>And? There is also anime under the historical genre, doesn't make it accurate at all.
what?
>What a lazy post. Clearly doesn't even try to use its own brain cells.
that's pretty hypocritical coming from the man too lazy to back up his own claim

>>52823509
It would be interesting to memetically teach Grognards about Indian geography and multiculturalism by just using Gujrats, Tamils, Mughals, etcetera as various political factions in the setting.

Accurate Hinduism would be a lost cause though beause like protestantism there's hundreds of different interpretations which are only consistent with eachother depending on who you ask. One thing I've noticed about fantasy religions is that they always have a consistent canon and does its best to get the players to remember that. If they had to memorize dozens of interpretations on top of that, knowing that metaphysically only one of them is "correct" as far as the GM's lore is concerned, it would only get more confusing. I can't get players to remember NPC names, much less that level of depth in the lore.

>>52823543
>>52823562
Congrats, I decided to do the legwork for both of you assholes and the closest thing I could find was six laws by Watt-Evans.
>Watt-Evans' First Law of Fantasy: Stories are about people.
>Watt-Evans' Second Law of Fantasy: People are never wholly good or wholly evil, and therefore characters should never be wholly good or wholly evil.
>Watt-Evans' Third Law of Fantasy: The basic human motivations are universal.
>Watt-Evans' Fourth Law of Fantasy: Everything other than the basic human motivations will vary, depending on the cultural setting.
>Watt-Evans' Fifth Law of Fantasy: Magic, like everything else, has rules.
>Watt-Evans' Sixth Law of Fantasy: If a story can be written without a fantasy element, then don't bother with the fantasy element.

>>52823599
>can't even understand basic English
Read the post again, specially the second line. You are too lazy or dumb to even engage in a back and forth conversation. You probably ask me to google because you don't know how to use google yourself. It's sad really.

>>52820998
I have a problem with the term "microagressions" in practice because they are often used to label statements that have no bad intentions or are innocent curiosities as "aggressions", which by definition, aggression requires intent to go after or against something or someone.

I prefer the term "cultural misstep" or "Hanlon's rudeness" if anything.

Like how >>52821149 put it, and you seem to think it's fair, so this post which will likely be deleted with this thread is pointless.

>>52823637
i appreciate it anon
though unfortunately it doesn't help him because watt-evans is not the arbiter of what is or isn't fantasy
>>52823663
>can't even understand basic English
no, friend, you can't even WRITE basic English
what exactly is the 'historical' genre? do you mean 'historical fiction'? because there's plenty of anime that fit's that genre. do you mean '100% true historical accounts'? because that's not fiction, not claimed by an anime and is utterly unrelated to the topic at hand
>You probably ask me to google because you don't know how to use google yourself.
well as >>52823637 showed you didn't even bother to google your own garbage before you made it up on the spot, so clearly you're the one too stupid to know how to use google

>>52823710
>being this retarded he doesn't know about the historical anime genre
It's the only type of anime I watch kiddo, I know more about it than you ever will.

>>52823734
>literally making up genres
lol

>>52823710
>I'm smarter than Watt Evans
tips medieval fedora

>>52823760
>literally
There is that word again, I don't think you know what it means.

Protip: It doesn't mean figuratively

>>52823787
>I don't think you know what it means.
considering the historical genre doesn't exist and you completely made it up i would say yes, you literally made it up and the word was used correctly
sorry, i know you tried really hard to sound smart there

>>52823807
>being so dumb he thinks he can just talk shit about things he doesn't know
The irony of your post was absolutely rich. I can taste the tears from continents away.

>>52823832
>being so dumb he thinks he can just make shit up and people will believe him
not sure why you're continents away from your own tears but ok

>>52818973
kek I remember using a variant of that excuse to shit on some guys 'Hawaiian deities creation myth fantasy' thing back in middle school with a knight. I think some other guy was ninja or something.

Anyway unless you're going for incredibly jarring characters to the setting or purposely fucking with a setting (I'm not going to judge) you probably want to just play as someone who reasonably fits in said setting. Cause its rather hard to get the proper feel of say pre-1800 Hawaiian island jungle magic when Edric and his best friend Yang are cleaving there way through boars on a jungle island in the middle of the pacific. I mean I think it was still fun just probably not what the guy was going for originally.

>>52823447
You want realism in fantasy so that it feels like it's believable, and didn't just spring into being just for you to enjoy it (which is breaks immersion). The only fantasy with only a shred of realism is fantasy that's actually a parable, like alice in wonderland or most fairytales. Those are certainly good inspirations for RPGs, but would make bad settings in and of themselves.
It lacks internal consistency because multiculturalism is a human invention and so has to be explained within the setting. If your setting has two suns and purple fish-people, that's fine. If there are space-ships that can take you to the two suns and its never explained even slightly how or why there are spaceships, it feels contrived. You don't want things to be contrived, because that breaks immersion (noticing a pattern yet?).
If a setting needs no consistently or realism, then the only thing that can judge if its good or bad is personal taste. We do not know your personal tastes, so we cannot contribute to any discussion about your setting.

>>52823503
>>52823504
fantasy has one and a half rules. It has to stay internally consistent, and it therefore needs enough realism to keep it internally consistent.
Alice in Wonderland is a very good example of this, because it's internally consistent even while being whacky and all over the place and generally looking like an inconsistent mess. Namely, it's consistency is "there is no consistentcy/realism except this rule;" you can see almost anything in wonderland, but you're never gonna see detailed and thought-out societies or gripping political intrigue beyond what's needed to make a parable.

I don't see why blacks shouldn't see more representation. Gamers are predominately straight white men, who are next exposed to older cultures and ethnicities as often as they should be. Even if it is historically based, it is morally imperative that people of color be represented. It worked well with Battlefield 1, and tabletop games can learn from that.

>>52823853
>literally a "no u" post
Is that all?

>>52822870
Anon, you do realize that African Americans are entirely distinct from Africans at this point, right? Over there "black" means BLACK, not brownish. We're already halfway through the process of homogenizing.

>>52823867
>opinions opinions opinions my opinions are facts
lol

>>52823871
Shitty bait.

>>52823882
>literally a "no u" post
unfortunately it "literally" wasn't, because you never specified whose tears they were
weren't you just complaining about the use of the word literally earlier too, mr. hypocrite?

>>52819062
>not nudging the table

git gud

>>52823892
it's such shitty bait you just had to respond to it
sure showed him

>>52819341
The only problem I have with black people in fantasy settings is that all it does is make black skinned Europeans. I would much prefer there to be an Afica equivalent that mirrors African culture and their folklore rather than making a portion of "not Europe" black or brown just for the sake of diversity.

>>52823887
It's time to stop posting, son.
>>52823920
(You)

>>52819590
Why? It's for marketing purposes you dumb, triggered redditor

>>52823940
>man, that person is obviously baiting! i'm going to get back at him by... responding to his bait! fuck i'm a genius
lol
also sorry you don't realize that your long, thought-out posts are meaningless because you're trying to argue your opinion as fact when it isn't
fantasy can be anything, sorry you can't accept that

>>52823977
>>52823977
What opinion?

>>52823977
Also
>what he said is an opinion
>what I said is fact
lmao quality post

And you were already proven wrong by multiple people, just fuck off already.

>>52820414
I nearly went to Hull.

Dodged a bullet and went to Swansea, Home of the Heroin Addict instead.

>>52822272
Bring a goat into the room

>>52823887
>"I deny that your facts exist, so any argument you make on them are just your opinions"
>I've been arguing against this for 1 hour and 49 minutes
Thank god I finished my exams yesterday, or else I'd feel a lot worse than I do now at waisting all this time.

>>52824060
>What opinion?

>If there are space-ships that can take you to the two suns and its never explained even slightly how or why there are spaceships, it feels contrived. You don't want things to be contrived, because that breaks immersion
that's just your opinion
there are settings like what you described that are very popular like the elder scrolls series
or age of sigmar, just off the top of my head
>fantasy has one and a half rules. It has to stay internally consistent, and it therefore needs enough realism to keep it internally consistent.
that's just your opinion, things don't require realism to be internally consistent

>>52824076
>And you were already proven wrong by multiple people, just fuck off already.
lol, by who?
there is no law of the universe saying "fantasy must be done these ways or it cannot exist"
everything you say comes down to "well this is what i think makes good fantasy", and i can even agree with you on many of the ground rules you lay for that
but that's all opinions

>>52824204
>I deny that your facts exist
probably because they don't exist
if they were facts you could prove them

>playing a fantastical Spain setting
>players keep asking why there's no Moors or Jews
>complain about the lack of diversity in my setting
>I give them samurai instead
Problem?

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>>52818973
But the place is full of Catholics and other Niggers???!!!!

>>52824205
>there is nothing if I say so
Stop.

>>52824205
>"Don't murder your friends and loved ones for no reason. Don't give all your worldly posessions to people you hate for no reason. Don't eat human excrement for no reason. Don't use fantasy settings that are not immersive. Don't do these things because you won't enjoy it."
>"Lol that's just your opinion. How do you know I won't enjoy any of these obviously bad things?"
When people say "your opinions are wrong," they're not always joking. There are some opinions at are so obviously correct, they can be used as facts. One of those facts is that settings are fun when they're immersive, and all/the vast majority of settings need those one and a half rules to be immersive.

>elder scrolls and age of sigmar
both of those settings explain their spaceships. Elder Scrolls doesn't do it that much, but that's mostly because the spaceships are part of in-world poetry, rather than anything the player/reader/viewer ever interacts with.


>>52824221
Tell me, do the words "beyond a reasonable doubt" mean anything to you?
If not, I deny that the universe exists. It's all just chemical sensations and we're all just brains in a jar. Prove me wrong.

>>52818973
Where in Europe are we talking about, and what time frame?

>>52819522
>Europe

There's your issue.

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>>52819522
Well it's fucking overwhelming across the pond
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7678

>>52824317
>"Lol that's just your opinion. How do you know I won't enjoy any of these obviously bad things?"
that is 100% your opinion. crazy people might enjoy killing their family for no reason or eating excrement.
>When people say "your opinions are wrong," they're not always joking.
that's because they're autistic, and are made fun of for saying something so stupid
>One of those facts is that settings are fun when they're immersive, and all/the vast majority of settings need those one and a half rules to be immersive.
that's not a fact though, there are immersive fantasy settings i enjoy that others do not and vice versa
also you seem to be making a mistake here, because as i said what you argue are the only ways to make a setting immersive are NOT the only ways to make a setting immersive
>Tell me, do the words "beyond a reasonable doubt" mean anything to you?
not for the discussion of "facts" you think apply to made-up stories
>If not, I deny that the universe exists. It's all just chemical sensations and we're all just brains in a jar. Prove me wrong.
we very well could be

>>52824324
There were no white people pre-Luther, human history begins when a group of the first actual white people held the first Thanksgiving.

>>52820874
Source?

>>52824436
You are clearly retarded, as everyone as pointed out.

>>52824516
>everyone
yes, i'm sure you alone are everyone in a thread of 76 posters :^)

>>52823768
Have you ever read anything written by the guy? His books are utter shite.

>>52824436
>all that faux intellectualism bullshit
Thank you for admitting just how... unique your views are, I have no further comment.

>>52824621
Have you? :^)

>>52824634
there's nothing "intellectual" about pointing out how your opinions aren't the arbiter of what is allowed to exist but ok, it looks like you realized your own folly so go ahead and leave

>>52824688
Just stop, we get it. You have the autisms.

>>52824716
that's interesting coming from someone who actually tried saying that "Your opinion is wrong" is a totally normal statement used by non-autists, kek

>>52824742
>he is talking about himself in third person
Autism.

>>52824764
oh, how soon you forget your own posts
>>52824317

>>52819454
>Also, that wearing that shirt is like acting retarded. I never met a non-racist person who owns a shirt 'ironically' calling themselves racist.

100% this

It's like the "single-question narcissist test". If you ask someone "are you a narcissist", and they say "yes" (even in a joking way), they're probably a narcissist.

>>52824485
For the image?
It's a photo of an Incan burial site by Loren McIntyre

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>>52824774
So you were serious when you were implying you had been debating to one person this entire time out of 75 IPs.

At least 5 guys have been called you retarded over the course of the hour. I'm shitposting in multiple threads, you don't have my full attention.

>>52824688
>there's nothing "intellectual"
not arguing with you there, friendo :^)
In reality, there's a not of faux intelectual BS there. The whole "nothing can be proven consistently" thing has been old since Cogito Ergo Sum.

>it looks like you realized your own folly
What do you mean? I "won" the argument. I was trying to show why your points were worse than my own, to convince bystanders to change their views. You did that for me as soon as you said that the opinions of crazy people are valid.


>>52824774
Not me. I'm the anon who's been making the long-winded posts. He's the anon who's been making the short posts.

>>52819355
>This idea that Medieval Europe was some homogeneous sea of white is dumb
yeah, there were the english and everyone else.

>>52820546
>Soviet RPG-7
>Gym shorts
>Flip flops
>Dashiki
>Headphones

8/10 would pick this randomly generated character and shoot rockets at warlords from the back of a Toyota Hilux.

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>>52823552
>You can't be (")persecuted(") by individuals that are not hostile to you.
Man, are you really this autistic? If there is no real persecution they will simply make some up on their own, be it by misrepresenting things or just outright smearing their own walls with swastikas to make it seems like the evil nazis are everywhere. Or even carve slurs into their own skin while faking being raped in their own home. I can trivially easily find literally hundreds of examples of this madness just that have been reported on, with god knows how many hundreds of thousands that haven't been. Never mind the non-criminal examples of made up persecution. Or just the people making up shit to prove a point, like that stupid comedian (sara silverman I think?) who was all like oh when I first started out as a comedian I was at this club and the manager paid me less just because I was a woman. Then the guy hears this and because he autistically kept records going all the way back to then he could prove that she was making shit up. And her response is just "I should've made up a lie that was harder to disprove", because she clearly didn't give a fuck about reality; all she wanted to do was propagate her narrative.

Old-time christians literally went to roman officials to ask to be thrown to the lions to make it seem like they were being persecuted. People are fucking crazy, dude. And they don't stop doing their crazy, stupid shit unless something makes them do it. SOMETIMES that thing ends up being reality itself smacking them so hard in the face that they have no choice but to stop. But I wouldn't count on that. Feminism has been going strong for like, what, 100-150 years by now? Notice how, instead of declining as the need for it lessened it simply made up or straight-up created new grievances to justify its existence? None of this shit ever goes away dude. Not until nothing pushes it away or the people doing it all die. Wouldn't count on the latter anytime soon.

>>52824839
lol, anyone can edit the source before taking a screenshot
so desperate
>>52824907
>You did that for me as soon as you said that the opinions of crazy people are valid.
lol, you must be really autistic if you think there's a such thing as "valid" opinions for likes and dislikes

>>52818973
You even managed to put RPG.net's colors in your pic,
Good one, OP!

>>52819341
>there are dragons so why do you care that my character stays grotesquely overweight despite being famished for months on end?
I weep for /tg/ these days. You guys don't even try anymore.

>>52825088
Please, tell me more about how all opinions and viewpoints are equally valid. I need help remembering why cultural relativists are wrong.

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>>52825088
stop

you are dumb and nobody likes you

>>52825088
Also if you think ANYONE else apart from he is using Internet Explorer, you have severe mental damage(not that it wasn't obvious already)

>>52825109
>Please, tell me more about how all opinions and viewpoints are equally valid.
you seem to be forgetting we're talking about opinions on entertainment and not anything to do with real, meaningful issues
happens when you're autistic and been on 4chan too long, unfortunately
>>52825115
lol, keep it up buddy

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>>52825141
Easy to keep up when all you have to do is press a keyboard button and then post it.

It takes me more time to fill up the car captcha than actually "prepare" a post.

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>>52825196
looks like i'm not the only one calling you out on being an idiot, lol

Jesus fucking Christ

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>>52825249
Sure, but I don't bother to hide myself like your cropped image.

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>>52819088
>uncategorically

>>52825141
Weren't you just talking about how its murdering your family and eating human excrement is a valid opinion a couple posts ago?

Let me tell you a secret: Basically everything is subjective. Or, at least it can be argued to be subjective. Whatever you're about to say, yes, that's probably subjective too.
Thing is, the very concept of subjectivity is, itself, subjective. This means that subjective things can be argued using other subjective things as if everything involved is objective. So when I say "murder is wrong," That's a short way of saying "Murder is objectively wrong according to the Golden Rule, which is subjective but I don't really give a shit about that."

So my argument is: RPG settings are fun when they are are immersive, settings are immersive when they are internally consistent and have realism, a setting with (some) realism and internal consistency cannot be based on medieval Europe and also have modern sociopolitcal ideas, and multiculturalism is a modern sociopolitcal idea.
This whole argument is based on the subjective idea that RPG settings are fun when they are immersive. I cannot prove this further, but don't need to as I have no intention of convincing anyone who doesn't already share this opinion with me.


>>52825262
Don't act so surprised. You knew what the thread was gonna be like the moment you saw the OP.

>>52825385
Brilliantly well put, but I'm fairly certain that guy is trolling. Or he'll raise humanity's collective IQ by a few points when he chokes on his Flinstone's vitamins.
Been a hell of a ride though, so if anyone wants to keep this shitshow running, be my guest.

>>52824971
>Abloo bloo bloo, I can't stand seeing people that are different in my games!
>>>/pol/ is that way.

>racist nerds think dragons, magic and elves is okay
>add blacks and suddenly the racist nerds lose their shit and suddenly it's about internal consistency and accuracy in a fucking fantasy setting.
For all you know it's a curse by the gods and it's simply never explained because no one knows why but nope can't have black people in your fantasy unless it's in the designated non-white land area.

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>>52818973

>not adding "travellers from far away" based on Mali Empire to your setting.

>>52825723
Thank you. I don't think anon is trolling; I just think he's using arguments he doesn't believe it to state his point.

>>52825779
>>52825940
Just make everyone black, then. Just because the natives to a Medieval setting need to be homogenous, doesn't mean they need to be white.

>>52826036
This is also another good way to put other ethnicities in a setting without multiculturalism.

>>52826071
>Just make everyone black, then. Just because the natives to a Medieval setting need to be homogenous, doesn't mean they need to be white.
Why are you so obsessed with racial homogeneity?
Nah man I'm going to have a fantasy setting that dumb nerds like you think is medieval despite none of them being even close just like all the others. With all the colors of the rainbows.
No magic though, because that would break suspension of disbelief.

Oh fuck I just realized something.
You guys haven't complained about all the japanese characters in medieval setting from japan at all. You idiots probably think anime characters are white.

>>52826121
Let a load of this retard.

>>52826121
A world of magic and dragons is more plausible than your 90s cartoon version of medieval europe

>>52826121
I explained it earlier in the thread. >>52822564 >>52822746 >>52823067.
tl;dr: you need to be able to explain why your setting has multiculturalism, because multiculturalism is a man-made invention. Magic is natural, so it can be hand-waived, but it makes as much sense for a medieval setting to have multiculturalism as it does for a medival setting to have space-ships and ray-guns.
Don't get me wrong, you can put space-ships and ray-guns and multiculturalism in your setting and that's fine, but then it's not really a setting based on medieval europe.

>>52819256
Enjoy your shitty game retard.

>>52826168
Again we see racist nerds who think magic and dragons is less fantastical than racial harmony.
>but then it's not really a setting based on medieval europe.
Nearly no settings that claim to be based on medieval europe are actually based on medieval europe. Go ahead and try listing 10. It should be easy, consider how many claim to do so.

>>52826192

multi ethnical sociaty doesn't imply multiculturalism. Ever heard of the Roman Empire?

>>52826234
You say "racist" as if it's something bad.

>>52826234
>nearly no settings that claim to be based on medieval europe are actually based on medieval europe.
Think of it as a sliding scale. Lots of settings with aspects of medieval europe, but sticking less to the source. If you're trying to stick to the source, then you're not gonna get a lot of non-medieval shit, like tolerance or human rights

>>52826259
Fair. But, cosmopolitan societies are not traditionally seen as medieval. It makes the setting less medieval, which is the whole point of the thread.

>>52826265
Because it is. You are a bad person.
>Have fantasy setting
>Literally anything is possible
>Except black people, for some reason
>Even though it's fantasy so these black people don't have to have anything of the reasons you hate them in real life
>In fact, they aren't any race in real life because they are fantasy people with dark skin
>But it's still a problem because black people existing is literally more fantastic to you than literally fucking dragons
When your hate for something extends to idealized fiction, you have a mental problem. The kind that says "Even if there was literally no problems with it in real life, I would still hate it for no reason"

I have black people in my game setting. You won't see them because they live on the other side of the great Specific Ocean.

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>>52826322
You are aware that dragons are en element of European folklore, right? As such, they're not out of place at all in European-inspired setting.

>>52826407
Frankly, I'm cracking up at the idea of a black person in a suit of armor. I can't imagine them doing anything but selling it for a ye olde 8-ball.

>>52826121
calm down dude, its just pretend games.

My setting does have blacks though. They are just referred to as orcs.

>>52819341
Because niggers suck

>>52819199
Please be inclusive by having more women leads, and also Asian, gay, and trans characters.

>>52823512
HA. You think overhype is that new? I haven't pre-ordered since Master of Orion 3, and even that was only a 4/10 on the "E.T. for the Atari 2600" scale of disappointment.

>>52826322
Perhaps when you're on an image board, bitching about ethnic ratios in imaginary games anonymous strangers are playing, you are the one with a mental problem.

>>52826573
I'm not bitching, I don't really care.
In my settings everyone is white because I don't care to designate races and it's not really relevant and that's what all the portrait art looks like.
You are the one losing his shit over imaginary black people.
You proably post in those "omg black people in amonket!" threads too, fag

>>52818973
>setting based on Medieval Europe
Ugh

>>52826595
The butthurt is tangible in this one.

>>52826649
If the only criteria for butthurt is anon disagreeing with you and replying, sure.
Everyone in this thread is butthurt, including you.

>>52818973
>setting
Ugh

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>thread in /tg/
>/leftypol/ crawls out of the woodwork to defend blatantly inaccurate race pandering

>wanting niggers in fantasy
But why? Orcs do the thug life better and draconics got the bdc on lockdown. They don't add anything to fantasy.

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>>52826733
>anyone who isn't racist is b-boogeyman
But /pol/ shitposting outside of /pol/ is alright to you guys

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>enter gameshop
>try to join a pathfinder game
>meet the DM
>" you know the rules anon, niggers only play D&D here."
What the fuck /tg/?!

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>>turks and arabs are black
>turks and arabs didn't have black slaves

>>52819454
If he had any brains in his head he would just said that he is a racist fuck up and he did not want blacks in his shitty game. Now the thing everyone is going to look at closely is how historically accurate his shit game is and if he messes that up (and he will as he is dumb faggot) his game will be joke like how "she breathes through her skin" is.

>>52820874
Against the Wicked City is a pretty neat silk road/central asian setting, if OSR is your thing

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>>52826322
>you're only allowed to play ideal fantasies where nothing is wrong and facts I don't like are glossed over

>no wait you're only allowed to play fantasies I designate as goodthink

>Now just let me check my bigot, sexist, and fascist accusation boxes...there! A quality post!

>>52827265
It is actually. I found that blog a month or two ago.
It's always weird when you've been working on a concept for a while and then you find out that someone's already done it.

On the one hand, it's cool because there's a whole host of material for you to enjoy. On the other hand it's irritating to find out that you're not nearly as original as you think you are.

Diversity can actually be a compelling and authentic addition to a Medieval European based setting. It's not like Europe was totally walled off from the rest of the world and nobody ever left their village except to go on crusades. Their are plenty of examples of contact and interaction between distant cultures: prechristian Greeks and Romans traded with and sent emissaries to China, Byzantine emperors had Nordic bodyguards, the Umayyads conquered parts of modern France, Mongols conquered Chinese cities with European siege engineers, Ibn Battuta and Marco Polo traveled the known world. There are plenty of good and interesting reasons why a non-European person would be in medieval Europe: they could be traders seeking strange new goods, mercenaries exiled for fighting on the losing side of a civil war, slaves captured in a distant land who will fetch a high price for their unusual appearance or knowledge of exotic crafts, foreign sailors press-ganged by pirates, soldiers conscripted by a far-ranging nomadic horde.

But with that said, to expect or demand that black people be represented in a medieval European setting is pretty fucking stupid. It's interesting because it's exceptional, because it makes the world larger and more complex, because those people don't belong in that setting and it implies an interesting backstory. But to normalize ethnic diversity the way leftists want us to, the way, for example, Dragon Age does, is to make it utterly bland and pointless. If 1/4th of your medieval fantasy town is white, 1/4th sub-Saharan black, 1/4th brown, and 1/4th Asian looking, but they all dress and talk and act and treat each other the same because they all have the same culture, what's the fucking point? There's no story, there's no implied backstory, there is only negative story: the erasure of any potential for cultural interplay, conflict, and exploration.

>>52827389
No.
You're deliberating injecting real world politics in a place where it doesn't have to exist and projecting your hate on fake people because of said real world politics.
You're not mentally healthy. You're literally making up enemies you genuinely hate, instead of making up enemies you pretend hate for fun.

>>52827401
There is nothing new under the sun, lad.
One thing I like about the OSR-weirdos (Goblin Punch and the like) is how their shit is expressly designed to be strip-mined for ideas. There's certainly no shame in it.

What's your setting like anon? There's a lot of different ways to do Central Asian fantasy

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>>52827501
>real world politics
Which you don't like. Others might. Others in fact, do.
>hatey hatey hateful bigot hateful hate
Sasuga.
>You're not mentally healthy.
You sure showed me, champ. Got any more grandstanding and virtue signalling to do here before you call me Hitler, or will you do the unexpected and admit that you're wrong for lecturing everyone else on what they're allowed to do or say in their games?

>>52827083
Please go back to tumblr, anon

>>52827549
You can do whatever you want in your games, doesn't mean other people aren't going to judge you when you talk about it online.
>Post about topic
>Surprised when people talk about topic
It's almost like people have different opinions wtf

>>52827598
No you!

>>52827501
Not that anon (and assuming you're the same anon from up the reply chain), but isn't it more that racism is an unfortunate part of human nature?
I can understand an author glossing over racial issues because they don't want to deal with them, but at the end of the day, even if there are dragons and magic, shouldn't most stories deal with how humans interact with them?
And yeah, you could be like Pratchett and say that in a fantasy land, Black and White live in harmony and gang up on Green, which is fair enough.
But if you're going for "muh gritty und realistic medieval central european fantasy", anyone who isn't of the local ethnicity would probably be a trader or a traveller of some kind, or a descendant thereof. That said, they would probably be the subject of curiosity rather than outright prejudice (see that black samurai)

>>52827633
Addenda: this guy >>52827410 gets it

>>52827622
Alright, you want to get judgy? Let's get judgy.

Brainlets like yourself zombie-groan buzzwords like 'hate' every day of their god damn lives, gesturing weakly at scary shadows on the wall because they've never bother to leave their cave anyway. You latch onto the easiest, dullest and most vapid concepts of what constitutes a 'good person' and attempt to enforce the flock around you to conform it - 20% of it you got out of TV, 40% out of your parents, 15% out of daycare and the last 25% of it is made up of your own fears of being judged for being an outlier. And at the end of the day, your raving diatribes about fat losers who would prefer their Scandanavia expy not to have a bunch of africans running around their imaginary dollhouse are the acerbic projections of someone afraid that they will be judged because of their association with these grognards. You're evil because you're a small, sad person who thinks anything that looks like it could be racism is evil, without ever examining in any detail why someone might actually be racist in the first place - presuming they are. Willfully ignorant. You're a meme parrot and all you know how to do is squawk at people and screech when you get scared of their spooky deviant speech. You belong in a group home for the mentally deficient.

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>>52827512
It's mainly based on the Tarim Basin itself and the area immediately around it.
The City-States are controlled by different cultures, so there's a Islamicish Sultanate, a Demon-Khanate, a kind of Buddhist mummy thanatocracy (who are actually ok, but tend to be a little metaphysical) as well as deer-riding taiga people.
There's also a bit of Pliny the Elder's Natural History mixed in there, so Cyclopes warring with Griffons, Blemmyes cannibals and dog-men.
And some Lovecraftian dreamlandish stuff.

>>52826259
>romans worshipped foreign gods as their own
>not multicultural
I know you're that troll who presented opinion of literal murdering maniacs and shit-eaters as valid, but for other folk who might be convinced by your bullshit:
Back in pagan times gods represented some values and morals of the people that worshipped them. Taking a foreign god to worship as your own means that you're at least acknowledging some values of a foreign culture as valid.

>>52827752
>Brainlets like yourself zombie-groan buzzwords like 'hate' every day of their god damn lives,
Project harder, I only care as far to post in "blacks in muh fantasy is unrealistic!" threads. I don't participate in racebait threads otherwise.
I just look down on people who would inject genuine hate into their fantasy.
It's like choosing to have a nightmare: what's the point? You have a choice and you choose hatred. How broken do you have to be?
>about fat losers who would prefer their Scandanavia expy not to have a bunch of africans
More like the fat losers "prefer" their Scandanavia expy, inserting all sorts of blatantly non-Scandanavian shit into it but insert blacks and suddenly the immersion is ruined.
It's like having a minotaur RACE in a MEDIEVAL europe setting. And you're bitching about black people.

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>>52827829
>I don't participate in racebait threads otherwise.

>Project harder.

Who are you trying to fool? What are you trying to prove? You are so transparent it's pathetic.

>I REALLY REALLY CANNOT HELP BUT COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT FAT LOSERS PREFER ON THEIR TABLETOP GAMES AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME A BETTER PERSON THAN THEM

Do you see where I already determined I was already arguing with a mental invalid? It would be insanity for me to continue indulging you, in fact.

>>52827829
>a minotaur race in a medieval europe setting
Shitty anachronism. Make it cynocephali, at least.

>>52827753
That sounds pretty neat anon.
You're also after my own heart, using antique scholars at face value and all.
I would be more a Herodotus guy myself, with not!Egypt being opposite land, and hordes of horse-stoners, but it's much of a muchness really.

>>52827870
>Who are you trying to fool? What are you trying to prove?
No one, I just post whatever I feel like.
>You are so transparent it's pathetic.
Be sure to tell me to go back to rddit man.

I just don't understand why anyone would insert real life politics in their games, especially hateful ones.
Like myfarog. Okay man you don't like brown people. Why are they in your game instead of not including them at all when you hate them?
But in the usual case, it's asshurt anons like you raging for browns existing in fantasy setting. Or asshurt liberals raging for no brown people in someone else setting.

What I'm trying to say is if you're mad at those damned liberals making spiderman black: don't read it and make your own setting, fag.

>>52822894
Yes. It is a bit ridiculous. Now, I'm not saying there were wide-spread communities or that every town had even one, but the bigger towns would have at least seen them. They were traders and hanger-ons to nobles and such and the odd Arab trader would sometimes have a retinue of Africans with him when they went into the north of Europe.

>>52818973
I hate you and your kind of people so much. I want to rip open your rib cadge and eat your heart while you watch, then dance on your grave.

>>52822894
I really think there weren't any blacks in Northern, Central and Eastern Europe at least until Renaissance. Certanily not any communities of them.
This book looks interesting.

>>52827752
>>52827870
>brainlets
>mental invalid

Trying to pretend that you're smarter than anyone else isn't going to help you not be an overweight virgin, anon.

>>52828292

Oh, are you hurt? How sad. At least you have something to latch on, and discard everything else, so it's a win for you.

>>52820819
Irish people with dark hair colors. Learn your history.

>>52827829
>tfw party is all rager barbarians

I just look down on people who would inject genuine bloodlust into their fantasy.
It's like choosing to have a nightmare: what's the point? You have a choice and you choose to frenzy. How broken do you have to be?

>>52828321

Found the fatass with the unused cocklet.

>>52828401
All party of barbarians isn't genuine bloodlust.
Excessive description of gore would be bloodlust. And judging from /tg/, people DO look down on that.

>>52823161
I always wonder why Mexicans get asshurt about the term America.

The USA stands for the United States of America. America is an acceptable abbreviation. USA does not parse into an acceptable adjective other than American. Deal with it.

>>52828292
Dude, you have a serious mental issue you should get some help. It isn't saying anything that they're smarter than you because you are insane. Your insanity makes you automatically seek out find inequality in places where it doesn't exist and where its existence makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and people like you bring political shit into everything and on 4chan that brings /pol and than isn't good because here on /tg we hate that shit with a burning passion because it results in shitty threads like this.

>>52821297
>Guess who's getting sued for libel (^:
Trump pls
go back to governing

>>52823886
Genetic studies show whites in America are generally well over 90% white while blacks are generally about a quarter white and/or native. So, if it's going to happen at all, it's not going in the direction you think.

Also, the white and black populations re both dropping, so they won't matter demographically soon. The ones that will are all the mestizos and the asians, who make up all of the population increase in America.

>>52828413
>>52828476
Found the insane brainlet shitposting profusely

>>52828486
? Who are you, I wasn't responding to you. Go away.

>>52828457
>and people like you bring political shit into everything and on 4chan that brings /pol
Are you seriously implying that people from other sites go out of their way to post political shit on /tg/ and it attracts /pol/?
Instead of the far more likely scenario of /pol/ posting b8 knowing it will attract other /pol/ posters?

>>52828572
Most of the time that is what happens. However, this is left wing b8 and it resulted in the same shitstorm.

>>52828486

Found the desperate cuntdribble trying to save what scraps of dignity he has left after all the burns he's received here.

>>52828633
Yeah man OP totally isn't a /pol/ poster.

>>52828665
Found the dumbass who forgot 4chan is anonymous so no amount of "sick burns xD" matters, you underaged retard.

>>52826571
ET was before preorders.
I don't think overhype is new. I think NMS was the last straw before a lot of people (myself included) switched over to "I'm not buying it until I see a gameplay review, with finished product footage".

The only company I'd still preorder from is CDPR.

>>52828451
"oosah"

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>>52822326
>setting based on the sengoku jidai
>no white people

Wrong time period because during the Sengoku Jidai i'd say there were quite a handful of white(and black) people running around.

>>52828689
There was a shitposting SJW though.

>>52828761
Oosah? Doesn't even sound like a word, senpai.

You also forget how that would parse. Noun for people would be Oosahan, and the adjective would be Oosahian, both of which sound like some kind of bush language.

>>52819088
i
like
this
guy

he has balls.

>>52828998
Too bad he does not have any brains.

>>52828792
As it turns out, there are people on this board with opinions you disagree with. Big whoop, 4chan isn't your (or anyone's) safe space, and without bait threads and shitposting like this it would never come up anyway.

>>52829016
Yeah yeah, we get it, you disagree with him so he's stupid/wrong/whatever.

>>52825059
Seeing the current political trend, it seems that many Americans are not into the forced meme of excessive political correctness, despite Left-leaning journalists wanting you to believe the contrary.

I can safely say that over 3/4ths of America hold egalitarian beliefs, but no more than 1/5th of them consider themselves Feminist. This is because most Americans would not dare align themselves with a group of insufferable patsies that have appropriated gender social justice to spread lies and create moral panic.
(The numbers I've heard were ~85% and ~16% respectively, but I'm being liberal with these estimates.)

The thing is I hate SJWs not because they are a massive problem for America (though they're still bad as a nuisance), but because they turn people off from social progress and preach backwards bullshit. I actually see SJWs as heretics, and I know I'm not alone. Even my Liberal acquaintances whom I disagree with at times have lines they've drawn. Thankfully they've sticked to their guns instead of letting virtue signalling (overused word) pressure them into ze/zi/zo/zum bullshit.


Speaking of Sara Silverman, I remember when she thought a construction mark on the sidewalk was a swastika. When she got called out, she blamed it on those evil no-good Right-Wing biggits for making her think that way. It was hilarious. If only she could make me laugh this hard.

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>>52829899
>I can safely say that over 3/4ths of America hold egalitarian beliefs,
T-that's a joke... right?

>>52825017
Alex?

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>>52819736
Better to be ironically racist than the earnest racism of the left.