>be cleric >see a hospital >see a sick child >heal

>>52755777
Farmers get happy at druids when they create food if that food is used to feed the farmers and their families, so they can afford to send all of their grain to their lord.
Farmers get pissed at druids when they create food if that food is being sent to the lord so the lord has less need for serfs and kicks them off his land.

>>52755817
Why would a druid send food to the king, who is like the last person in the entire kingdom to get hungry?

>>52755840
He wouldn't
Thats why farmers dont hate Druids

Doctors of that era specialized in keeping healthy patients healthy, so it's not like healing the sick would reduce their customers.

>>52755872
And I doubt those doctors knew how to heal incurable diseases.

>>52755894
Yes, this does seem like bullshit.

>>52755777
>Be doctor
>Do my best to heal those too poor to pay the gold fee at the church
>Set up a hospital to help more poor people that the church ignores
>Some low level cleric walks in and magically heals a child his church had turned away 2 days ago
>cleric acts like he's a fucking saint and expects everyone to praise him

>>52755915
But those druids still put those doctors out of work.

>>52755957
They should be happy for the children. Otherwise it would be profiting on misfortune.

>>52755931
He doesn't want to be praised, just not hated for doing nice things for poor folk. Also the medic could try to become a cleric, then he could go helping people.

>>52755872
>Be peasant farmer
>Noble demands 2 carts of carrots per year
>Barely leaves enough to feed my kids
>Druid comes up to farm and tells me I'm overfarming my little spot of land.
>Tells me I'm abusing nature by breaking the earth and keeping my mule in a pen
>To make him happy, I turn the mule lose
>Wolves kill and eat it.
>Tell druid, he tells me that's the way of nature
>Kings men come. I don't have their two wagon loads ready, cause my mule died
>Try to explain it...noble's men-at-arms beat me up and take all my copper
>Druid shows up and tells me my outhouse is too close to a stream, and to move it so it doesn't poison the trout
>Ask the druid for a blessing to help my crops and to heal me up from the beating
>druid tells me this is the way of nature and won't help.
>See him heal a fucking stray cat later that day
>Fuck druids in their hippy anuses

>>52756030
Not everyone is a fucking cleric m8.

Not everyone is devout enough for that calling.

>>52756067
Top kek.

>>52755777
>Be hardworking doctor
>Deal with dozens of sick and injured every day
>Cleric walks into my hospital and heals 1 kid
>Acts like he's holy for doing it
>We ask him to heal the other kids
>Cleric says he is out of spells for the day, and leaving town tomorrow
>We go back to work treating the sick, like we do every day
>Thanks cleric, you're sure doing your part to make the world better.

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>>52756030
>Otherwise it would be profiting on misfortune.

This sure as shit isn't the staff of office of Asclepius.

>>52756088
That's true, but that doesn't mean you should get mad when someone comes and fix something free for another person.

It's like having a bakery and getting mad when people donate bread to the poor.

>>52755777
>Doctors hate him!
>Learn to cure diabetes with these 3 crazy tricks!

>>52756127
Cleric is doing his best. Wait until he levels up!

Also he did do good. Were you going to heal this kid with cancer?

>>52756147
>be nurse at local hospital
>clean wounds and empty bedpans and watch little kids suffer and die
>cleric comes in and heals 1 kid
>leaves 30 kids suffering
>thanks cleric, go fight goblins, we'll still be here tomorrow doing our best to heal the sick
>cleric acts offended that we didn't praise him more

>>52756172
>ok, thanks cleric
>now gtfo so we can go back to work easing the suffering as best we can, while you go raid an orc lair and forget this place ever existed
>ya, thanks cleric, you're a real hero

>>52756184
>be nurse at local hospital
>when you could've been a cleric instead
You worthless cunt.

>>52756214
>be a caring person, but not real wise
>can't remember all the prayers
>still do my part to help as best i can
>clerics mock me for that
>try to help sick kids that the church ignores
>clerics mock me for that
>clerics are shit

>>52756184
>not wanting to be hated for doing good things is being offended
Also clerics can lose their power if they are douches.

>>52756210
And also raiding this orc lair will mean less works coming and hurting people, which means less people will get medical assistance. That's pretty heroic.

Oh boy, are we going back to the era of /tg/ having a hate-boner for everything supernatural? Or did we never leave that era?

Not every cleric is a holier-than-thou asshole, not every druid is a tree-fucking hippy.

>>52756238
>Be hospital manager
>Can hire 12 clerics, each of them casting "cure disease" once a day for a total of 12 incurable diseases cured every day
>Instead hire barely literate nurses who can at best provide the needy with a clean place to die
That's the difference between a hospital and a hospice.

>>52756238
>clerics mock
No such thing. Clerics need to be 'good' to stay in favor.

>>52755872
>Be farmer
>have a great crop, and expand my farm
>druid comes up and tells me i'm using too much water for my pigs
>Tell him i have to have water for my pigs tho
>druid says I have too many pigs, it's not natural
>3 nights later, a pack of wolves kills half my pigs
>later find out that the druid had adopted a couple wolf packs when the mother wolves died, thus overrunning this area with wolves
>complain to druid, he says wolves have to eat, this is the way of nature.
>mindfulloffucks.jpg
>but you said too many pigs was bad.....how is too many wolves good?
>druid snorts and stomps off
>tax man comes and takes my other half of pigs
>now I'm broke and homeless
>thanks druids. faggots.

>>52756284
I dunno about that. I'm just trying to put a fun spin on stuff. No animosity involved.

Am I doing fun wrong anon?

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>>52755777

> Be Cleric

> 777

>>52756284
I think my DM thinks so. Because it's funny he ran me out of town for doing a good action.

>>52756330
This is a blessed thread.

>>52756288
>be hospital manager
>ask a local temple to send some clerics and cast cure disease a few times
>temple says sure, for 11000 gold
>hospital makes about 3 gold per week after buying supplies
>can't afford the clerics
>ask clerics if they'll do it for free
>clerics laugh until holy wine shoots out of their noses

>>52756274
>less people will get medical assistance.


So what you're saying is the clerics are trying to run the doctors out of business in two different ways.....

those BASTARDS!

>>52756305
>be a cleric of Cyric
>mock nurses
>Good standing with my God

>>52756361
Clerics are promoting socialism!

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>>52755777
>qt white mage comes to cure me with spells
>decline and request sponge baths instead

>>52756410
>qt white mage comes to cure me with spells
>>decline
>because black lives matter

>>52756426
ff is a perfect world so niggers dont exist

>>52756436
my bad, apologies anon

>Be level 7 cleric
>Go to local hospital
>Lots of injured, a few sick people.
>Get everyone that's injured to bunch up within 30ft.
>Do some channeling shenanigans and heal everyone for 6d6 with positive energy
>Do it again twice
>Cure three people of horrible illnesses
>Delay the diseases of another 5
>Within a week the hospital is empty.

Isn't there a Tippyverse thing were they make self reseting Cure Disease and Cure Wounds traps and people just walk through a line to get cured? The same with Create Food and Water.

>>52755817
>Be small farmer/peasant
>Lord is easy to keep happy, only 2 wagons of beets per year in taxes
>Have a happy little farm for 10 years, and even have 4 kids
>druid stops by one day and tells me that cutting the tops off beets and throwing them away, is overfeeding local deer, and the overfeeding is leading to weaker deer
>tell him the Lord wants his wagons of beets cropped before shipment
>druid stomps off to talk to the Lord
>Find out the druid agreed to let the Lords men hunt a certain patch of woods
>in return the druid will magically create beets for the castle
>men-at-arms come and toss me off my farm since my beets aren't needed now
>lord buids a brothel where my farm used to be
>wife leaves me to become a whore
>3 kids become whores
>1 kid stays with me, gets sick and dies because of malnutrition.
>thanks druids

>>52756480
>be level 7 cleric
>don't see a hospital because I'm always off looking for better loot and improved weapons and armor
>doctors in city keep working

>>52756521
if they did, i can totally see local temples/churches owning them, and charging a fee

>Be peasant
>have small farm with a little wheat and a couple chickens
>Cleric runs up one day
>says nothing to me
>grabs all my wheat and steals my two eggs
>runs off
>this bitch was wearing 100k in dragonbone armor and she steals my fucking eggs?
>fuck clerics

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>>52755777
>be undead abomination disguised as healer
>see a hospital
>see a sick child
>replace failing organs with superior undying ones
>go into the children's ward
>upgrades for everyone
>church wants to kill me

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>>52756614
Pic related

>>52755777
>It's a setting where clerics exist and magic is fairly common
>Clerics didn't replace doctors

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>Everyone blames the druids and clerics for providing services for free
>Nobody blames the feudal lords for overtaxing the peasantry

>>52756238
Half the human population has a Wisdom of 11 or higher, which is sufficient to cast first level cleric spells, which are alone leaps and bounds above mundane care. Sure, there may be individuals who want to help even though they have inferior Wis scores, and they can be assistants. However, there isn't really an excuse not to be using divine-magic for your primary forms of healthcare if you're in a relatively well-off settlement. Heck, even Adept can do a decent job.

D&D druids are a shitty mix of overpowered nature themed wizards, spergy manchildren, and a shitty straw man for Romanticism vs Enlightenment thinking.

>>52756690
The requirements for being a cleric who can clap his hands and magically cure any disease are probably lower than being an actual doctor in real life.

>>52756763
This is essentially my point. I can understand them being pretty rare in very rough settings, but if you have nations advanced enough to have sprawling cities, you can afford the educational facilities to train competent healers, which would be an amazing boon to any civilization.

>>52756690
>Roll up a charc, make him a cleric
>Literally every NPC is already a cleric because reqs are so low
>Try to get my 1/4 split of the loot
>party kicks me out, and hires a couple npc healbots for a 100 gold per week
>fml

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>be Dhampir
>get sick because not technically undead
>go to local wise-woman
>poultice does nothing
>go to secular physician
>medicines do nothing
>go to crackpot alternative medicine dealer
>surprise, surprise, does nothing
>Cleric comes along, notices I'm sick
>pumps holy energy from his hand into my not-quite-undead flesh
>it burns
>writhe on the floor in agony
>Cleric starts freaking out and crying
>why did the gods allow me to exist

>>52756763
Seriously, some people VASTLY underestimate how hard it is to become a doctor. In the US any common practicing doctor is going to have about a decade and a half of training between college, med school and residentship, and most med schools have >5% admission rates in the first place

>>52756675
>Be local Noble
>As was my father and grandfather
>Get no vote on the Kings counsel
>Tax rate is set, it's my duty to enforce it
>Peasant comes in and accuses my men of roughing him up
>I discipline my men and instruct the sarg's to keep a tighter grip on them
>ask peasant why he didn't pay his taxes?
>he explains that the local druid cost him his mule and has packs of wolves all over
>send men to bring the druid in to speak with me about this
>druid kills my men because he was busy staring at the flowers in a special spot where a unicorn once took a piss
>put a bounty on the druid and declare them unwelcome in my region

>>52755777
>Be village/town doctor
>make good use of herbs and other local ingredients
>Local priest doesn't heal, just preaches
>Been here for 20 years, stitching up people, helping with babies, and treating what sickness I can
>Group of adventures come through asking questions
>explore the area for a few days, then announce that they found an old temple
>come back from the temple with lots of treasure
>party it up at the Inn, going through the booze and whores
>people start getting a lung fungus infection
>I treat it as best I can
>adventurer cleric comes to help, casts a spell and cures most of the sick
>i ask what the disease is
>cleric says 'lol, i dunno, who cares? it's gone now"
>adventurers leave town
>disease pops back up
>send word to another doctor in a nearby large city
>doctor comes and says i've got people with Tomb Rot Fungus
>it's spread by contact, it comes from old tombs and temples
>Thanks adventurers, thanks cleric

>>52755894
Who said anything about eras? People get mad when Pagan Priests try to perform healing rituals at hospitals

This thread needs more druid vs farmer, and cleric vs doctor green texts.

>be druid
>try to tell noble about crop rotation/selective harvesting of timber/discerning hunt of game/don't wipe out predater animals
>get told to fuck off
>lol k
>move on to neighboring fief
>noble takes my advice
>a decade down the line, Lord Fucktard is broke and his peasants are refugees while Duke Listens lands have prospered

>>52758778
>Be Lord Fucktard
>King gives me fiefdom
>King orders me to provide mass amounts of corn
>Corn used to make booze, and to be sold per the trade agreement he signed with old enemy nation
>It's on me to do my part to keep things peaceful
>Order my peasants to farm corn
>Druid shows up and says "lol, u too much corn, it offends nature!"
>Tell druid the Kings orders are final, and to argue it out with him.
>Druid gets buttmad
>Goes to enemy kingdom and boosts their crops
>trade agreement and peace treaty fall to shit
>War
>villages burn, people die
>Druid sits back snorting unicorn farts feeling smug
>Fucking druids.....

>>52758778
>Be lumberjack
>Do my best to keep the forest pushed back
>Bad things like assassin vines and angry treants come out of the forest
>Druid comes up and says "hay, u cut too many trees!!"
>Ask druid to keep the forest critters from killing my family and friends
>Druid says "lol, no. thats nature!!!"
>Druid then blesses the forest and promotes growth
>3 year old son is eaten by wolves
>wife is killed washing clothes by living vines
>Druid sits back and smirks
>Fuck druids

>>52758886
>>Druid shows up and says "lol, u too much corn, it offends nature!"
It wasn't about offense brah, it was about sustainability. Just rotating a couple fields with peanuts, harvesting timber at a lower rate via breed targeting, and only going after deer with more points would have made your lands viable for generations, not just hogging everything up in a decade and making the soil depleted of nutrients.

>>52758999
Hey man....i'm putting a counter spin on this shit.

Don't get all rational with me.

>>52758999
I agree tho.

A little bit of common sense conservation goes a long ways. You don't have to be a PETA druid, or the opposite. I'm just trying to give possible opposing contrary views into a sorta boring thread.

>>52758940
>see lumberjack straight up deforesting
>which is removing serious soil anchors
>which in turn erodes quality of soil
>which in turn expands desert and limits good farming land
>map out a plan to selectively harvest trees
>advise lumberjacks living right at the border of the forest to move away by about a mile or so and to work in grouts
>"too much work, too much plan, too early in the morning, I'm just going to live right by this dangerous as fuck forest with my family in our house right by the edge of it. alone."

>>52759046
>>52759075
Ya, I play my druid as an ecologist. Thinks humans/elves/whatever do belong at the top, but the flagrant abuse of the resources given by nature's bounty is a terrible crime.

>>52759109
>Be lumberjack
>Druid tells me to move away from lumber
>wut?

>>52756067
Thats some hippy faggot druid
Real druids literally blessed the fields with sheep blood and soil and grasses and said prayers to help harvests be bountiful

I see no reason why fantasy druids wouldnt do the same

All of these assume that the world is a early medieval agriculture world anyways, a late medieval, pre industrial urban world would have a very different attitude towards druids and then maybe they'd become more like secluded hippies

>>52759195
>keep living right next to a dangerous forest
>keep being surprised with things come out of it and kill your family
Pick one.

>>52759195
I even offered to summon pack mules to help move his shit, but nope! He'd have to get up at 6 am instead of just rolling out at noon.

>>52756763
Probably. Especially since the requirements for studying to be a Cleric in such settings are usually not as rigorous as say, a Wizard. They'd probably be even easier if you don't want them to be a full-blown Cleric with weapons and armor and everything as well, and just being the NPC version instead.

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>>52755777
>The doctors aren't clerics and the nurses aren't acolytes.
What?

>>52759283
>Be me, lumberjack
>Druid comes up and starts spouting stuff about 'Eeeko-loggy', and stuff
>offers me a magic mule that he magiked up from a cloud of smoke if I'd move
>this whole thing seems fishy and weird
>go back to chopping wood.

>>52759199
>Thats some hippy faggot druid
>Implying that there's some other type of druid

>>52759338
>just want man to live comfortablely with the natural resources at his disposal without depleting them
>start seeing the appeal of being a Red Claw more and more

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>ITT "and then the Cleric was dick"
>"no, no he wasn't, you're a dick"

>>52759320
PC classes=1% of the population
From that 1%, druids, clerics, pally's, fighters, rogues, bards, etc etc etc........

Not every NPC guard is a lv1 fighter, and not every doctor in the village is a lv 2 cleric

I'm actually planning for a druid and farmers situation in my game.

>At the wild edge of a province, a lord rules over a few hundred acres of farmland bordered by an old growth forest.
>The lord wishes to expand his territory by hacking down the old growth and utilizing the ground for farming. He intends to use the crops for trading.
>However, the outskirts of the forest grow a vast amount of brambles all year around, thanks to the circle of druids that dwell in the woodland.
>The locals subsist on the berries from the brambles and know that chopping down the old growth would mean destroying this bounty.
>This also means that the hungry mouths of the locals don't infringe on the crops that the lord is able to trade away. But if the brambles are destroyed, they will have to start eating into the crops intended for trading.
>At the same time however, there is no room for the lord's territory to expand without cutting into the old growth. Without expansion, his power will stagnate in comparison to his rivals and he will be incapable of protecting his serfs.

It's a more roleplay-heavy encounter but I hope the players will enjoy it. I'm actually not sure what the optimal solution is, myself.

>>52755777
>Be paladin
>Slaying orks with the King's soldiers
>See soldiers sparring ork babies
>Try to explain that all orks are always evil
>they say lol no they have free will
>notmyproblem.jpeg
>ten years time, the kingdom still begs ny paladin order to help with ork infestation

Why are humans so stupid?

>>52755777
I wonder if your god would want you to be treating the symptoms of the children's illness, rahter than the cause.

>>52759366
lol

I can totally understand why a decent druid would summon an elemental swarm to wipe out towns...

>Be druid
>Try to reason with villagers
>Give up and kill them

I'm not condoning such action......but I can understand it.

>>52759390
>I'm actually not sure what the optimal solution is, myself.

ITT, we're seeing that there might not be an optimal solution brah.

>>52759390
Why not go past the brambles and cut a swath deeper in the forest for usage? The locals continue having the berries to eat, and there's more land inside of the forest for cultivating.

>>52759390
>I'm actually not sure what the optimal solution is, myself.
I'd be hard pressed to name one of the top of my head. Someone is going to get fucked.

>>52759355
I play "survival of the fittest" druids that see nature as a bloody free for all instead of happy coexistence. Just needs to preserve the natural cycle so if something can't die, the druid is responsible for killing/destroying it.

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>>52759390
The optimal solution, is of course to hamstring his his rivals, poison their wives, assassinate their sons and to expand into their territory.

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>>52759386
>Hospital
>In a village
Also, less than 1% than the US population is a medical doctor.

Even with your statics (which I agree with), you could still have a hospital in cities. Mostly manned by Acolytes (an NPC class) who handle minor things and then call a Cleric in for anything major.

>>52759440
The brambles are produced by the magic of a circle of druids, created in order to coerce the civilized folk into maintaining the status quo. Upsetting the druids by chopping into the forest would result in them no longer providing the brambles.

The question is, could they be convinced to sustain a smaller area of woodland and let the locals cut a swath deeper like you suggested? I'll need to think of a favor that would need to be done, in order for them to agree with that solution.

>>52759490
That's actually a good idea.
If you enable expansion elsewhere, none of the NPC's who matter in this scenario will suffer.

>>52759495
I figured a village hospital would consist of a room near the doctors home, with some beds and maybe a table or two?

>>52759495
eh.....bad comparison m8

We don't have a US stat for magical clerics vs standard doctors.

But if we did, I'd assume that doctors would outnumber clerics 10 to 1? Depending on how difficult it was to be a cleric?

>>52759508
I guess it depends on the surrounding area and if there's really no area to expand on. Even if say, the Lord chopped down the entire forest to use as farmland, would there be nowhere to go beyond that? If there is something beyond that, then the answer may be to try and broker for a trail through the forest to reach more land on the other side.

Alternatively, an idea may be to expand their options for trade in other directions. Building towns more tight and compactly with multiple story buildings may help squeeze out that extra bit of land, but another option may be to go for the dwarven route and dig downward. Set aside a place to quarry stone or mine for ore and provide something those other nearby places might not be if they're busy expanding outward with farmland as well.

>>52759561
By that, I'm trying to put a D&D comparison on it.

Doctor would be an NPC class.......and thus more common than say Clerics or such.

For a comparison by today.....doctors would be clerics, and nurses would be npc healers?

Fuck i dunno.

I'm only here to call druids hippies.

>be medic in a free city state
>church has very little influence but we have alchemist everywhere
>most i have to deal with is potion addics,poisened merchants, and the occasional anamoly
>city has a ban on druids too so my wife and son who are farmers live a fairly peacful and comfy life
>oldest son leaves for adventure
>miss him but he's raking in gold buy the vault full
>get bored and decide to run for mayor
>actually fucking win because i have so much money
Its a comfy life in the city nationfolks

>>52756436
>ff is a perfect world
Sounds like escapism to me

>>52759561
He's getting the "only 1% of the population have PC classes" from the 3.5 DMG. It doesn't say what percent of that is Cleric though, but one could guess 1/11 of 1% or 0.11%. I Googled it, MD make up 0.29% of the US population (though only 0.03% are general practitioners.)

It's supposed to be something like 90% are commoners, 9% are other NPC classes and 1% are PC classes.

Also, I accidentally called the Adept class an Acolyte (thinking of 5e).

>>52759543
I would assume the village "doctor" would be an Adept. If you were hurt too bad you had to go to the city to see a Cleric.

If the cleric can cure all illness and the Druid feed everyone then why are there still peasants farmers shoveling dirt for some thug in nice cloths?

>>52759763
Cleric only heal those who have the coin or convert to their faith
Druids are scourges of society

>>52759803
^^This guy.....

Is welcome at my table anytime.

>>52756523
Holy shit this one turned dark at the end. I feel like murdering druids now.

>>52759490
>>52759540
Issue with that idea is that the PCs in question are agents of the entire province, not just the lord of that particular region. It might work, but only if the PCs decide to favor that particular lord over all others.
>>52759572
The entire province was once heavily forest but now that's been narrowed to one extremely dense area of woodland that takes up roughly a third of the province. Any clear, deforested land has already been claimed and the only land that doesn't have a lord presiding over it is the forest.

This specific region has a circle of druid occupying the area of forest at its border and limiting its expansion, while the neighboring regions aren't so unlucky are able to cut into the woodland as they see fit. Carving a trail through the mega-forest to what's beyond is close to impossible, if not outright suicidal.

The underground option's a good one though, I'll try and develop that one a little. Or finding a resource in the area that isn't just farmland, anything that gives the local lord an edge that keeps him from falling behind his neighbors.

>>52756067
>mule
>offspring of horse and donkey
>anything natural about that

>>52759803
>Cleric only heal those who have the coin or convert to their faith
Clerics should spread miracles everywhere they go, regardless of resources or conditions. By being open they actually introduce more people to the light.

>>52759911
Ya, that's happened exactly 3 times in the history of gaming.

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This is what we get when we don't listen to Druids.

>>52759927
Not true. I am never stingy with my powers and I bet many others aren't either.

>>52759955
Found one of the three

>>52759931
You can either have
>a completely loyal hunting dog that will kill and die for you
OR
>a untamed wild animal that will kill you every chance its given

>>52755777
This thread is the exact reason that in my setting magic is extremely rare. A cleric, with the powers implied, would be considered something close to a living saint, a person blessed with divine power for a high calling. A D&D cleric walks into a village and heals some people, it's a miracle, not some guy casting a couple of low-level spells.

>>52760191
Same here m8.

Magic is rare. PC's classes in general are rare. Powerful magic items are the stuff of legends.

Nations would go to war over a +6 vorpal blade.

>>52760191
Nah, it's a guy with a shiny sword poking people back to health.
>>52760266
In a relatively high magic setting, they would go to war for a +6 Vorpal. That's +3 more than it ought to be.

>>52759931
Meanwhile

>German Shepherds
>Border Collies
>Hounds of all sorts

We make dogs that are better, faster, smarter, stronger than their wild counterparts. We have grasped nature and bent it to our ends to such an extent that there is a dog for dang near any purpose.

Druids can go take their pagan magic and burn along with their sacred groves. Organized religion trumps paganism, civilization trumps savagery, understanding trumps ignorance. Humans have the right to dominion over nature, and druids make a mockery of mankind by cowering before nature as though it's somehow above us.

>>52760266
>>52760291
Wasn't 3.x up to +5 Vorpal without going epic?

>>52756523
So thats why the one wizard in /5eg/ hates druids. It all makes sense now.

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>>52756410
>qt white mage comes to cure me with spells
>won't cast them until I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior

>>52760350
lol

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>>52756410
>>decline and request tongue baths instead

>>52760350
You're thinking small.
>spell won't work unless you actually mean it

>>52760391
Might as well take it one step further.

>spells actively harm you unless you actually mean it

>>52760350
But anon

What if I already have

>>52760425
>Qt healer checks her list
>But anon, you're not listed here?
>have you paid your monthly fees?

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>>52756288
>be a cleric
>asked to use my god given holy magic powers to heal small amounts of people all day for a peasants wage
>every adventuring party in the world wants me on their team to heal them while they slay dragons and save the world for insane amounts of magic loot
>I'll stop by the hospital when I can

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>>52760454
>Asking about "fees"
>Not asking if I've tithed

>>52760460
^^Proof of >>52759927

>>52760478
Monthly healing fees are IN ADDITION to tithes
>Reporting you to the high council of saints for possibly costing the church profits

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>>52760498
>Implying that tithing and fees should be mandatory
>Ignoring St. Paul's admonition to only give with a cheerful heart
>Pretending that charity can be mandatory

Heretic spotted

>>52759904
>you
>offspring of a bitch and a bull
>anything natural about that

>>52760527
>your son
>offspring of your wife and a bull
>anything natural about that

>>52760559
>>52760527

lol

>be druid
>local farmers won't use crop rotation
>awaken their corn
>convince corn that they're being weakened by the farmers' outdated methods
>corn begins to believe that they've been systematically oppressed by the farmers
>corn revolts against their oppressors
>the free corn proceeds to form a cornmunist city-state
>return to the woods so I can go back to scaring loggers and poachers

>>52760740
This is why druids are more dickass than thieves.

>>52759440
Circle would get extra pissy of else fuck off, Brambles would die without cultivation.

>>52759508
I'd take a page from >>52759490 and draft the Druids for the war effort.
They /are/ fucking the noble's trees, after all.

>>52759199
>Real druids
You mean thousands of years ago? Before the dawn of history?

>>52755777
Your DM reads too many light novels.

>>52761673
>Before the dawn of history?
Prehistory is circa 4000 BC.

>>52718436
>>52717748

>>52756067
The only one of those things a real druid should care about is the outhouse.

>>52756690
Getting levels in a PC class isn't as simple as just having a slightly above average wisdom.

>>52761743
>PC's
>Playing a 'real' druid

pick one m8

>>52756991
>Tax rate is set, it's my duty to enforce it
That's not how feudalism works. The nobility don't enforce royal taxes, they pay taxes to their liege (who may be a king, or some other rank) and collect taxes from their domains and vassals. It's a system of daisy-chained taxation, not centralized taxation like a modern state.

The rest of it is perfectly appropriate though, and the nobility is justified in their taxation since the vast majority of it is used to protect the populace or otherwise help the community.

>>52759390
GROW MORE BERRIES

>>52758886
Reducing the human population helps out a druid's aims too, you know.

>>52758940
It's not a matter of quantity, it's a matter of picking the right trees. Assassin vines and treants are good trees to take out.

>>52761930
>Reducing the human population helps out a druid's aims too, you know.

Which is why any civilized society should outlaw druids and put a bounty on them.

>>52759390
Trade berries, cut lumber selectively, and collect non-timber forest products such as herbs, tree nuts, and fungi including truffles. Cultivate swine and fowl which can me maintained in forests. Berry production may be somewhat curtailed by roads and settlements in the forest, but the forest itself is a resource that can be maximized, and plowing the whole thing under isn't the most effective way to go about it. Especially when you've already got a druid at hand to help with this.

>>52758560
What about farmer v. doctor?

>>52761954
Which is why good druids bless fields and all that, so that getting rid of them costs more than it's worth, and conspire to keep populations curbed only in secret. Hell, druids even go so far as to have their own secret language that only druids know, just so that foolish people can't learn that their plans sometimes involve lots of human death in order to allow certain farm plots to lay fallow for a generation.

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>>52759474
Brutal nature, best nature.

>>52762091
I don't see why not.

>Be doctor
>People are getting sick in our village
>find out Johan has been selling home brewed beer
>Lots of bloated and gassy peasants running around
>Talk to farmer about this
>Farmer says "hey, this is the most i've ever made!"
>Farmer refuses to stop
>Tell farmer if he wants another salve for his itchy crotch, he'll knock it off
>farmer relents but I don't know for how long

>>52756523
Thats what you get for feeding the tops of the beets to deer instead of turning it into fertilizer so you could grow more beets retard.

>>52762335
>Be farmer Johan
>Figure out how to brew my own beer
>Make a few extra coppers from it
>Life is good
>Goody two shoes faggot doctor tells me to quit because it made someone fart?
>Threatens to with hold the itch salve that helps my crotch stop burning that my sister and I both need
>Tell him I'll stop brewing
>Decide that I'm going to fuck the doctor back one day...I'm just not sure how yet

>>52762448
>feeding beets to beets
Church said that's abominable.

>>52762473
Then sell it to a potato farmer or something. God damn.

>>52762448
>Leaving tops of my beets in the woods for the deer
>Druid says I should use it as compost instead
>Feed my beets beets.
>Church's inquisitor stops by
>See's the beets
>accuses me of promoting cannibalism
>Don't even know what that means
>I'll be burned at the stake tomorrow
>Fucking druids....

>>52762552
>not telling him you are giving the beet remains a proper burial
Christ, learn to farm idiot.

>>52762498
Nobody nearby grows potatoes. No money in it, the neighborring barony subsideses potatoes,

>>52762582
>can't explain anything since the torturer cut my tongue out
>fml

>>52762616
Could always give it to a cow/pig/horse/sheep farmer as feed.

>>52762641
>Cousin is a huntsman

>>52760305
But anon, wolves are stronger and smarter than any of those breeds. Part of domestication is rendering the animal intellectually dependant on you.

>Be me, lv 1 druid
>Roam the country side exploring and gaining levels
>Heal sick animals, including a dire bear and a treant
>find some rare mushrooms and spread their spores to promote growth
>scare off a trapper who was over hunting beavers
>gain some levels
>save more creatures, and learn to control the weather to some degree
>call a storm in to drive off a noble mans hunt
>the dire bear i saved killed a family of 4
>the abandoned wolf puppies I fed and raised and freed, killed a bunch of sheep
>the storm I called in to scare off the nobles injured one of his men
>the mushrooms i spread turned out to be a needed ingredient in a drug that caused major health issues if used long term.
>The beavers dammed up off a supply of water to a farmers crops, and he didn't get it removed in time to save his harvest
>I sense magical scrying on me....
>Soon men come into my woods looking for me
>I flee to the druid circle and they protect me
>the men hunting me are driven off
>the local lord sends more men
>a few of them die, our elder druid tells them to leave and never return
>Local lord sends word to the King
>The king sends a squad of his best hunters
>a couple of us die defending the woods
>One day a dimension door opens up at our sacred pool, and a fire ball is cast through it
>we put the fire out and dispel the magic
>Soon, a small army is approaching our woods
>Do we fight? or Flee? The ensuing battle will surely destroy the forest for miles from fire and spell
>We flee
>King puts a bounty on us
>We flee farther
>we flee to a frozen land where our last kingdom has never heard of
>the remaining druids go their separate ways
>I think long and hard about what led to all this destruction
>I decide that it must be someone elses fault
>I was just doing as nature wanted
>I go save a polar bear from a hunters trap
>I find a rare shrub and spread its seeds....
>This seems somehow familiar to me....
>Fuck druids

6/10 thread don't let it die

>>52760776
Thieves has less tools to cause widespread destruction and disaster.

>be a Druid
>all I hear all day is people going on about how the last druid fucked them over
>all I want to do is Bless Crops, Heal the Sick and teach the Ways of Nature and Giving Back to The Land
>Should I Just Give Up?
>Can I really not help these people?
>What Should I Do?

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>>52755777
>be bear
>not seeing any tasty humans
>see a chart
>see where the humans are hiding
>get a spacesuit
>get a rocket
>go into space
>eat everyone
>space patrol want to kill me

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>>52755777
>be international humanitarian
>see people in misery
>see a nation in turmoil
>liberate it
>go into the presidential palace
>kill everyone
>establish a higher standard of living than the rest of the world
>reed richards want to thwart us
>seriously fuck that guy

>>52762035
Berries are one of the most perishable foodstuffs that exist. Without modern refrigeration and packaging, there's absolutely no way to get them around without them either going off or being damaged in the process. Even large-scale production of jams or other fruit conserves is almost impossible without pasteurization.

Fungi is equally perishable. The only resources out of the ones you listed which can be traded are herbs (although they'd need to be dried rather than be fresh) and tree nuts. There's probably not enough of these resources for them to be a viable trading commodity without trying to tame and selectively breed the trees - effectively turning the wilderness into a farm, which is what the druids were against in the first place.

There's a reason why woodland was cleared out for farms. Ordinary forests just don't supply enough to maintain a decent local population, let alone keep a region wealthy.

>Be ex-adventurer
>working for my old partner, the new king
>farman, croppan, raisan dem sheep
>druid comes up and tells me I'm poisoning the land
>shoot him in the gut for 4d8 damage
>shoot him again and bury him in the cemetary
>turns out the fucker was using magic in my land.

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>>52755777
more like
>cleric faith heals a bunch of kids
>parents take them out of the hospital because PELOR
>they all die
fucking clerics! stay in church and let us doctors do our goddamn jobs!

>>52756646
This. It's why in my settings the only magic based healing you can get must've been derived from healing physical trauma, while sickness and disease are relegated to the alchemists and doctors.

>>52755777
>hospitals
>in the middle ages
U 'avin a giggle m8?

>be druid
>fuck up every creature you see
>devour it still-cooling because you're a predator

Best druids aren't flower-worshippers. Best druids are carnivores.

>>52765122
Richard Reeds always pisses me off.

Because there's a mention in Superior Spiderman where Reeds apparently knows/discovered a ton of high tech shit that he refuses to show to anyone, and even goes out of his way to make sure scientists who figure that kind of stuff out is given a gag order.

It's bullshit, and holds society back.

>>52766638

Fuck Reed Richards. Earth gets invaded by aliens every 10 minutes, we should have a UN battlefleet stationed at our backup Mars colony by now and a planetary defense grid, but nooooooo. At least Stark releases SOME tech despite the massive funneling of resources into monstrously expensive powered armor.

>>52759543
>Collection of maybe 30 people
>Having their own doctor
Surely you mean a proper town. At best I'd imagine a villager might be able to seek medical attention within a week's walk, or rather that some noble in the vicinity has a doctor/folk healer in their patronage with a horse, that occasionally checks in on villages.

>>52766823
My druid actually acted as a village secondary medical guy, the primary being a cunning woman who lived somewhere else. He usually acted as a vet though.

>>52755957
Farmers dream of being out of work, because the only reason they would ever stop producing food would be because they and everyone else has more food than they'll ever want and they won't need to trade for anything ever again.

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>>52765694
"Hospitals" in the sense of large buildings where the sick are taken care of have been around in one form or another since at least the Ancient Greeks. Temples dedicated to the healing god Asklepios/Aesculapius are the most popular example, with the one in Rome encompassing almost the entirety of the Tiber island.

The modern day word "hospital" is actually a word that stems from the Middle Ages.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hospital
Notice that it both stems from the 13th century and France. They, by some grand coincidence, have these two facts in common with the Knights Hospitaller. Almost as if this shit was invented in the Middle Ages or something.

>>52756127
He made that kids world better

>>52756127
>save people
>'that's nice and dandy, but you should have saved more people'
Well thanks I guess.

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>>52756127
>cleric cures some 7 year old's leukemia
>kid who would've died before the age of 20 is going to turn into a healthy, thriving adult
>"great now cure the rest"
>"well I can only do it once a day and I have to leave town tomorrow to stop a lich from burning down a small country and converting its populace into a ravening, undead army."
>"yeah, well fuck you too, buddy."

What are peasants even good for?

>>52760009
Wolves are actually pretty shy though. They'd have to be very hungry to attack a settlement

>>52769385
>What are peasants even good for?
Background flavor m8.

>>52766823
30 people live in town, the nearby surrounding area of farms have another 100.

I can see a doctor/vet/healer type there. Out of necessity.

>>52755777
Leo convinced Atilla the Hun to not sack Rome somehow, likely by telling the soldiers of the last guy who sacked Rome and how he and all his stolen loot where buried at the bottom of the sea with fish eating out his eyes. I wasn't aware he healed an entire hospital worth of sick people.

>>52765378
>There's a reason why woodland was cleared out for farms.
And that reason is because a whole fuckton of wood was needed to build ships. Prior to the late 17th century, woodlands were managed and used in a sustainable fashion according to need.

>>52758260
Probably because they're not Pagan. If a Pagan "priest" started trying to practice a ritual on me or my family I would tell them to fuck off.

>>52756166
>Do THIS every d8 hours!

>>52760515
>ignoring Jesus himself's own support of tithing
Give to God what belongs to him. God said 1/10

>>52762838
If wolves were smart they'd be domesticating humans.
Checkmate, Druids